BANGS IS BACK?! Round 3! FIGHT! | Dating Talk #86

Date: 2023-07-24

Duration: 6h 31m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBrooke (DT86)>

AAli Hardesty >

AAmy Dangerfield >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Karen(guest)

SPEAKER_03Bangs(guest)

SPEAKER_04Amy Dangerfield(guest)

SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Nev(guest)

SPEAKER_08Ali Hardesty(guest)

SPEAKER_09Aelia(guest)

SPEAKER_10Essie(guest)

SPEAKER_11Brooke(guest)

SPEAKER_12Naomi(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteKaren introduces herself as a 31yo porn star and discusses her professional body count

“"hi I'm Karen I'm 31 and I'm a porn star... I sleep with a lot of people during the week and sometimes more than one like today I slept with two"”

QuoteNaomi reveals she has been celibate for 3 years 4 months since March 2020

“"I am single and celibate for 3 years and four months since March 2020 pandemic"”

QuoteNaomi announces she is a respiratory therapist who leads worship at church with her twin sister

“"my name is Naomi I'm 31 I'm a respiratory therapist and I also do worship leading at church... me and my twin sister both"”

QuoteEssie offers to quit OnlyFans and become a supportive girlfriend for a chat donor (beaten cheeks)

“"Mr if you are looking for a girlfriend I am willing to quit only fans if you will support me full time I will cook for you clean for you I will do anything that you need me to as a supportive girlfriend um just hit me up after the podcast"”

QuoteKaren reveals she slept with 15 people in 9 days while shooting in Miami

“"I was just in Miami and I think I slept with 15 people there... nine days... I was shooting yeah... it's unsafe we're all getting tested"”

QuoteBrian introduces Jonah Hill surfer girlfriend controversy and asks panel to weigh in

“"so basically Jonah Hill was in a relationship with this surfer girlfriend and he sent her text messages asking her not to surf with men, post bikini photos, or do modeling work"”

QuoteAli Hardesty recounts her ex having an OnlyFans page — she appeared in BG content with him early in their relationship

“"so the only time I ever did like BG content that I actually like put on my only fans was with my ex who also had an account so how he did it was he also sold things"”

ControversyHeated debate about financial abuse in traditional marriages — Aelia and Bangs argue giving up income for a man is dangerous; Amy argues prenup terms can protect wives

“Aelia: "Financial abuse is basically what we were describing where you give up your entire career for a man in a relationship a partnership and then they hold the money over your head"”

QuotePanel reacts to Baby Rexa leaking her boyfriend's private text message; most side with the ex

“"to me personally reading that text message it seemed like he was coming from a place of kindness... I don't think it's right to be upset with him if you were asking for honesty"”

QuoteNev lists books of the Bible when Brian asks guests to name 7 books

“"Genesis Exodus Leviticus Numbers Deuteronomy Judges Samuel Kings..."”

ControversyAli Hardesty gives firsthand account of Sneako/Zena/Lauren drama — she was offered rides by both Lauren and Sneako, chose not to get in Sneako's car because Zena was visibly upset

“"basically Lauren was going to give me a ride home... sneo was like do you need a ride home... Zena was sitting on the back of someone's truck and she's clearly upset... I declined Sneako's car"”

QuoteAmy confirms she and Lauren will do a public podcast debate about the Sneako/Zena situation

“"Lauren and I we're going to debate on this we're going to go on a public podcast and have a conversation"”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Show Announcements

Brian announces show, plugs Streamlabs/Twitch/merch/BLM nonprofit. Guests introduce themselves: Essie (24, social media manager/OnlyFans), Bangs/Anai (21, student/OnlyFans, returning), Karen (31, porn star), Brooke (24, content/OnlyFans, in relationship), Aelia (31, flight attendant/OnlyFans, in relationship), Ali Hardesty (YouTuber/OnlyFans/podcast, OC), Nev (20, UCSB student/soap seller, taken), Amy Dangerfield (27, high ticket sales), Naomi (31, respiratory therapist/worship leader, celibate).

Relationship Status Round

Full round of relationship statuses. Essie: single 6 years, last situationship ~1yr ago. Bangs: single 2 years. Karen: single 2 months. Aelia: in relationship 1.5 years. Brooke: in relationship ~1 year. Ali Hardesty: single/complicated since end of 2021. Nev: taken 2 months officially. Amy Dangerfield: single 2 months after 4-year relationship. Naomi: single and celibate 3 years 4 months since pandemic.

OnlyFans, Sex Work & Dating Compatibility

Extended debate on whether men who oppose OnlyFans are insecure, vs whether having an OnlyFans is a deal-breaker. Essie offers to quit OnlyFans for a chat donor. Nev argues OnlyFans distributes harmful content. Discussion of whether lingerie-only OnlyFans is equivalent to Victoria's Secret modeling. Karen explains she separates professional sex from personal life. Body count discussion: when should you disclose? Karen's professional body count discussed (up to 15 in 9 days shooting in Miami). Bangs confirms she was honest with her crush about her body count.

Jonah Hill / Surfer Girlfriend Situation

Brian introduces the Jonah Hill "surfer girlfriend" situation — Hill sent his girlfriend text messages asking her not to surf with men, post bikini photos, or do modeling work. Panel debates whether these were reasonable relationship boundaries or controlling behavior. Aelia argues Hill knew she was a surfer when he pursued her. Amy says prenup/contract terms should cover these expectations. Nev says it's within a partner's right to set boundaries. Naomi observes many women have dated men who tried to change them.

Financial Dependence, Traditional Marriage & Financial Abuse

Discussion of whether women should give up jobs/OnlyFans for a provider man. Bangs and Aelia argue financial dependence is risky if the man leaves. Amy argues prenups and contract terms can protect stay-at-home wives. Aelia raises financial abuse concept (husband controlling wife's allowance, leaving her stuck). Brian asks who would quit their job for a wealthy/attractive man (most say yes with caveats). Ali Hardesty tells story of a friend who quit her job for a sudden rich man who then went to jail and lost everything.

Baby Rexa Leaked Text Message Controversy

Brian reacts to singer Baby Rexa posting her ex-boyfriend's private text message to Instagram. The text was diplomatic: noting she gained 35 lbs, expressing concern, and still expressing love. Panel largely agrees the text was reasonable and the ex was not in the wrong. Discussion of whether weight gain in relationships is a valid reason to address attraction. Aelia notes she'd want her partner to be honest. Panel agrees it was immature/unloving to leak the private message publicly.

Oral Sex / Sexual Expectations Debate

Brian reveals he does not go down on women ("neck problems," personal preference). Panel reacts with disbelief. Discussion of whether men are more expected to perform oral sex vs women. Brian argues women are not equally shamed for refusing oral. Aelia and Essie share personal comfort levels. Ali Hardesty describes her experience with BG content on OnlyFans with an ex. Discussion of pillow princesses, orgasm difficulty for women, faking orgasms, post-nut clarity (Bangs describes experiencing it).

Makeup, Appearance Standards & High vs Low Maintenance

Discussion triggered by Jordan Peterson's claim that makeup mimics arousal signals (dilated pupils, flushed lips/cheeks). Amy explains the evolutionary psychology argument. Aelia pushes back. Naomi describes enjoying makeup as self-expression. Discussion of whether "high maintenance" and "takes care of herself" are different things. Brian says he prefers natural looks and is skeptical of heavy plastic surgery. Amy notes men often say they prefer natural but are attracted to heavily made-up women like Kim Kardashian.

Passport Bros Debate

Brian reads a donation from a viewer living in Japan with a Thai wife. Panel discusses passport bros. Bangs and Essie call it a red flag. Aelia argues men going to Morocco for traditional wives encounter transactional arrangements (90 Day Fiancé reference). Amy argues traditional women exist in conservative US regions (Texas, Louisiana). Naomi as a near-example of traditional woman. Brian argues men seek overseas women because they find more appreciation abroad.

First Date Payments

Who should pay on the first date? Most guests say the man should pay (especially those seeking traditional relationships). Essie goes in expecting to pay half but ultimately does not object if man pays. Amy says men should pay. Naomi says it sets the right tone for a traditional dynamic. Ali Hardesty says she just prefers to cook as a date. Brian says he thinks the bill should be split or whoever asked should pay. Discussion of whether expensive getting-ready costs justify men paying.

Celibacy, Dating Timelines & Sex Expectations

Essie uses three-date rule and has never gone shorter. Naomi has been celibate 3 years 4 months since pandemic. Nev is saving herself until marriage. Aelia was celibate 2.5 years before current relationship to screen out men who only wanted sex. Brian asks whether women who had promiscuous pasts who now make men wait are being inconsistent. Aelia argues a woman changing her standards is a bonus sign she sees more in the new man. Discussion of casual sex destroying intimacy (Nev's perspective).

Dating Easier for Men or Women

Is dating easier for men or women? Amy argues strongly it is easier for women (a 5/10 woman can get a 5/10 man easily; a 5/10 man must work extremely hard). Brooke and Aelia push back, arguing women face emotional labor and quality challenges. Nev shares "short bus" anecdote. Brian argues women have enormous selectivity advantage (instant access to men willing to sleep with them). Panel debates whether unsolicited male attention counts as dating "ease." Discussion of dating apps as amplifying female options.

Ali Hardesty — Sneako/Zena/Lauren Drama

Ali Hardesty gives firsthand account of drama involving Sneako, Zena, and Lauren. Ali was at Sneako's show; Lauren had offered her a ride home. After the show, Sneako also offered a ride. Aelia (present) encouraged Ali to go with Sneako. Zena appeared visibly upset/crying outside. Ali declined Sneako's car because of Zena's state. Zena later DM'd Ali to apologize. Amy adds public context: Lauren and Sneako broke up, and there was Twitter/online drama. Amy says she will do a public podcast debate with Lauren. Brian and Amy discuss public allegations culture.

Transcript

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Nevland you know like what can you explain to me what the word woke means woke it's just [ __ ] liberal [ __ ] like but what does it mean yeah what does that mean besides liberal [ __ ] what does it mean oh my God why am I getting I'm talking

Nevabout Barbie can I talk about Barbie godamn liberal you're trying to yeah you're trying to describe something without actually describing it listen listen I I I said I don't really want to use the word woke cuz that's not the right word that's what I preface the statement with I'm just saying that

NevBarbie was just like like I feel like the issues that bar was bitching about how the [ __ ] did we get on to Barbie no idea talking just talking about kenland okay I I think Ken who gives a [ __ ]

Brian Atlasabout that no no no no listen oh my [ __ ] god dude okay let's I I stepped I had to step away from a bit but we were talking about old men and younger women yes how the [ __ ] did you guys get to Barbie from that she just said she

Amy Dangerfielddidn't like it because we were mentioning margar Robie oh Society has really like messed up standards because now apparently muger rbby is considered mid that's how this whole thing came up okay well let's stick to the age thing

Brian Atlasso um what's the oldest guy what's the largest age gap for you that you've ever had six years six years uh let's go around the table on

Essiethis let's do it let's do it go ahead so what would it be I don't date men under the age of 31 so that would be like a 24 correct yeah six year difference seven year but you said your

Essielast relationship was six years ago yeah he was older I think I he was 24 okay 1824 okay um what's the what's

Essiethe largest gap I think the largest gap was um I mean I went on a few dates with the guy who was 35 when you were what this was like last

Aeliayear okay 23 35 okay would you do you object to that age Gap 23 and 35 I mean I wouldn't call it ideal but I mean like 23 years old isn't exactly like a fresh

Bangsadult so I think that's fine okay what about you um um not too old to be honest I don't know I don't know how exactly how old they were just not too old

Brian Atlaswhat's the largest gap that you've oh the largest gap yeah oh like three years that's it I tend to go through you literally ask me out on a date but I'm

Bangs34 I'm not trying to romantically pursue you why do you want to take me on a date then you try to be friends I take out my friends on dates all the time all right yeah we can be friends okay just friend

Brian Atlaszones Okay C I take out my friends on dates all the time five years 5 years what about you 20 years 20 years yeah I'm hoping in that dire in that

Brian Atlasdirection I so uh you were 30 he was 50 or or sorry you were sorry you're 31 excuse me

Aeliayou're 24 so he was 40 in his 40 20 40 yeah 20 40 20 40 I'm 20 it was 40 do you do you object to that age I mean I can't object to anything but I can say that it was definitely predatory yeah absolutely

Brian Atlaswas it predatory I have to add it was a sugar daddy then I guess it's transactional I think that's a completely different but couldn't you make the if we're using this term predatory couldn't you argue that women who are seeking sugar daddiy

Aeliapredatory predatory well yeah but I think that's a completely different facet of like an actual relationship like I just said that's a transactional thing that's not like a man being like I'm only going to date younger women like blah blah blah trying to just versus women same they going to date

Amy Dangerfieldrich men and I'm going to do this transactional yeah but but what's the difference young reverse it what's the difference what's the metric what's the standard that makes one dising and the other one acceptable because she's just asking

Aeliait's a genuine because she's seeking out the relationship it's a transactional relationship it's not a man going after a Woman based on inexperience and he's seeking out a relationship too and maybe he wants a woman who's younger who's had number one less bodies because let's

Amy Dangerfieldlet's keep it real the older woman gets the more bodies she's had what problem is that is valued in every single culture every single religion no because men and women are

Amy Dangerfielddifferent and men have to work really hard to get sex women oh my God do not to men have a high body count they need to work on themselves they need to work really hard on themselves in order to

Amy Dangerfieldattract a high number of women for women an average looking woman an ugly woman in fact would walk out of here and go get [ __ ] no that

Bangsisim down bar hear you are simply wrong would you say how are we wrong because you said that men you said that men it's harder for men to get sex after you sex that is absolutely

Bangsnot I've seen this in I've seen this with my friends I've seen this with in real life I've seen this in real life like I there's I have a friend who

Bangshasn't had sex in the longest time since her and her boyfriend broke up her ex had been [ __ ] girls left to right and left to right and left to right and she is a beautiful stunning women women have

Amy Dangerfieldhigh standards men will [ __ ] anything women have very high prerequisites when it comes men will [ __ ] anybody girl yo a thank you thank you going keep going I

Essiewhat to say okay I would say that I agree with some of the things that you're saying there's like a saying what is it like women have control over the sex men have control over something else I don't know what the other half of that is but it's because we hold the power

Nevcuz we're the on yeah that's like the you know you younger women uh seeking older men with money is financial abuse he's on a sugar daddy dating site

Nevhow is that abuse if voluntarily some men are into that some men

TTS Readerare choose older men younger women are desired for her fertility Purity and pleasantness predators are cougar mils chasing younger men oh my God the hypoc

Brian Atlasis unreal shaming older men for dating young younger women when younger women choose older men younger women are desired for her fertility Purity pleasantness and that we heard the rest at that age when an old old man is

Bangstrying to pursue an 18-year-old his sperm is no longer swimming I'm how old do you think your only fan subscribe as all honey uh I don't know does that have anything to personal relationship

Amy Dangerfieldsexualizing if you're okay with old men 50-year-olds 6-year-olds jacking off to your [ __ ] pitches then what problem do you have Ser double in any way oh girl I can't even [ __ ] talk because you're

Bangsliterally screaming and [ __ ] being so right now go on then no I'm like getting pissed off because you can't like anytime I try talking you just interrupt that was the only time that was the only time you go ahead now be quiet you literally you're just screaming you're

Essie[ __ ] throwing hand sign you're going to hit somebody [ __ ] I don't to call you [ __ ] be able to have conversations about yelling yeah like stop yelling like it's making me want to yell and

AeliaI've been super this enti gear five coming out soon Luffy gear 5 coming out soon one piece honestly I mean when you're sitting there saying like men are women indifferent men like need a pure woman

Aeliablah blah blah that's insane to perpetuate that idea that's insane I

Nevthink I think it's oh you're acting like my mom bro okay I think it's hold on let me just clarify here let me just hold on hold on wait just just to clarify you

Aeliajust stay you think it's insane to perpetuate Purity what no I think it's insane to perpetuate the idea that men should expect a pure woman while a woman can't expect a pure man because they're apparently that's she said it's perfectly and I actually want to answer

Brian Atlasher question one thing one thing do you let's let's remove the uh double standard right let's remove do you object to men J demanding not demanding but wanting Purity I do if they're not

Brian Atlaspure themselves not not someone let me read this bangs you're right getting sex as a man is easy so long as I have 300 for the

Essiehour oh 300 for an hour I feel like is very cheap if I was going to sell myself it would be way more I I feel like wanting a woman with a low body count is

Nevperfectly within reason I feel like we why if the man doesn't I mean I mean I I personally would want a man with a low body count as well I don't want somebody I I I don't think I think men value like

Nevwhat about jig having the women you know I I think they want the wom to be theirs and if the women's been like with a Joe Sam okay so then etc etc I think he's perfectly within his right to set the

Nevboundary of not wanting to be with her this comes down to having a high body count might reflect some certain things on the woman like her attitude possible mental illness that doesn't reflect on a

Nevno I never said that I never said that it's not different at all it is not different at all literally are you able to speak without yelling are you able to speak without

Amy Dangerfieldyelling are you able to speak yelling are you able to speak without y I got heed at one point in this whole conversation You' been screaming me speaking over you the whole

Brian Atlastime that wait guys one hold one one microphone at the time please you go ahead okay go ahead I would just like to say um if if a if somebody is requesting a certain

Brian Atlasstandard from their partner they have have to at least present that themselves like disag disagree let let me let me touch on that and then okay but basically you're saying well if a guy wants a woman who has a low body count

Brian Atlasfor example he too should have a low body count and it's hypocritical for a guy with say a high body count to prefer or be attracted to or want to date a woman with a low body count is that fair to is that your position I wouldn't say

Brian Atlasattracted to but want yeah you should hold yourself to standard but do you think that do you think that we in order for us to desire a trait or something in the

Brian Atlaspartner we too must also possess said trait I mean if you're thinking about physicality absolutely not that's not a trait well no but that's what I'm saying for example a lot of women want men who are tall yet they are not tall

TTS Readerthemselves again that's a physical thing that has nothing to do with with some sort of moral compass standard if you think that women mature faster than men then by that logic an 18yearold female

Brian Atlaswould be an adult as soon as she turned 18 uh thank you Bender the offender uh if you think the women mature faster than men I think it's an 18-year-old female would be an adult as soon wait

Brian Atlasaren't you an adult wait I'm confus you are an adult when you turn 18-year-old is like freshly out of high school just graduated doesn't really have many life experience wait wait so hold on an

Brian Atlas18-year-old can sign up for the military in some cases you can sign up hold on they can't even buy alcohol you can buy a a firearm so okay you can vote what else can you

Brian Atlasdo you can sign binding contracts but you can't consent to have sex with someone who's perhaps a bit older than you I just think it's a little so what you guys are saying is and we will come

Brian Atlasback to this double standards thing is that should we raise the voting age of women to 25 is that what you guys are you guys are really misogynistic you

Brian AtlasMadame are a misogynist as are you how dare you say that women do not have speak to me nicely Brian how dare you I am off as a feminist as a feminist I am offended you would even suggest that we

Brian Atlasshould raise the voting age of women to 25 no one is saying that you're putting words in our mouth and you're pointing your little finger at me that's how I talk to the kids that I nanny okay so look let's bring it back to the double standards thing okay so fine you're going to argue that well height that's

Aeliawithin the Realms of physicality that's different can I say something what about women who want men who are funny but they are not funny I'm hilarious again that's not a moral standard or a moral

Brian Atlaslike value that you would look for in somebody else it's well your promiscuity your degree of promiscuity is behavioral traits in the same way that being funny or humorous is a behavioral or personality you could say that the

Brian Atlaspromiscuity from the man side is also the same and the promiscuity reflects wom women are totally within their right to not want to partner with a man who is promiscuous or or who has a promiscuous past yeah and I think it does reflect on

Nevvalues which play a big part in relationships if you don't share s similar values with the person that you're trying to be with it just doesn't really work out in the end so if somebody disagrees with promiscuity and they disagree with

Amy Dangerfieldpromise cuity but the reason it's different for a couple of reasons number one when you look back at biology and evolutionary psychology the man's whole goal is to spread his seed as far and wide as possible you look at a woman she can literally only carry one baby at a

Amy Dangerfieldtime right from one man at least right unless it's twins triplets but from one man for a period of 9 months it's literally completely different from so a bi biological level number one it's very

Amy Dangerfielddifferent and then number two when you look at the emotional impact men are very often times able to to separate emotions and sex can we not all agree that women are a little bit more

Amy Dangerfieldemotionally invested in their sexual encounters than men are therefore a woman who has slept with a 100 people is going to affect her mentally spiritually emotionally far more than it ever would

Amy Dangerfielda man that's also just making assumptions I feel generalization but on the balance of probability meaning at least 51% of the time it's true and when you need to make good decisions about

Amy Dangerfieldyour life you look at things like the balance of probability statistics right this is an emotionally mature thing to do so it's not unreasonable for men to be able to do that and also parir bonding is another very important topic

Amy Dangerfieldthat I saw somebody bring up that for women after 10 bodies there are statistics that show it is actually very difficult for her to divert herself to one man ongoingly for long perod of I'd

Nevsay that it not true no no I'd say that it permanently Alters the way that you perceive relationships and going into relationships it just permanently Alters things so you don't think that it affects men in the same way and it

Aeliadoesn't alter their perception of a relationship but really have emotional but so you're literally sitting here and acting oh men should spread their seed men should spread their seed do men not have self-control

AeliaI don't think she said bi about the biological inclination biological this bi I don't so you're saying that women can't like biologically also want to have casual biologically back then women

Nevwere having babies at like think we're way behind that we're way behind that I think she's okay I think she's communicating her points in like the most primitive sense primitively but we're not primitive beings anymore that

Amy Dangerfieldwas one example I gave two other examples as well one of them was based in biology and evolutionary psychology I gave true more that are actually very relevant to current times I was trying to be more than 10 bodies and I don't have an issue being monogamous or having a partner at all and I don't know any

Amy Dangerfieldother woman that has that many bodies that has an issue being with a partner in a monogamous way well there are studies about it you can read about them if it doesn't apply to you then that's wonderful but there there is empirical data that suggests that the opposite is actually true if that doesn't affect you

Amy Dangerfieldthen that's wonderful and I do believe that there is kind of like a biological adaptation that's occurring right now because women have been much more promiscuous just like adaptations biological adaptations happen over time so it could be true that that is starting to happen

Aeliabut I would say so if there is a biological adaptation then shouldn't men adjust what they're looking for and shouldn't Purity not be as adamant because now there is a biological adaptation from I'm not saying I didn't say there definitely is I say that there

Amy Dangerfieldlikely will be if we continue down this route of being very very promiscuous then likely that will happen because that's just what happens with Biology we make adaptations to the world around us right is that necessarily a good or a

Nevbad thing I mean who's I mean I got it men should change what they're saying I mean what they think should culture women are allowed to be more promiscuous because of biological adaptation what about women change what

Nevthey're doing rather than men what they're why women have to change what they're doing can you let me finish my sentence I think women women can change what they're doing and also men could change what they're doing it's like it goes both ways Essie go ahead what were

Essieyou going to um I was since we're speaking off of personal experiences I was just going to say that like for my entire life I thought that because I had oh cut off sated $100 thank you

TTS Readeraccording to the institute for family studies promise cuity before marriage reduced marital quality for women but not for men men and women are different women do not want male virgins because

Ali Hardestyshe values his experience standard there's all kinds of double standards yeah some benefit men some benefit women I would like a guy who's

Essieexperienced in bed though personally so I can kind of see that uh go ahead with your point oh I was just going to say for my entire life I thought my feeling of um the level of emotion that I felt with my sexual partners I always thought

Essiethat people had always told me you should be more prone to having casual sex and hookups like you shouldn't be so emotionally in depth and connected to your sexual partner until I realized that that's totally a normal thing and that actually it's the opposite that you

Aeliaprobably if you're you know not really feeling an emotional connection with your partner then there's probably something wrong at that point sexually word I mean I don't think that I mean like I think it should be up to women whether or not they choose to have

Nevcasual sex right I mean you can definitely feel that way you can have emotional connections to your partners and choose not to have casual sex that's absolutely fine well while it's up to women it is also up to the men to judge them or anyone else for that fact to judge them when you make a decision

Nevexpect to be judged if that decision is sleeping with 16 people that's nobody's business though that's that's nobody's business that's between you and your current partner and everyone else you sleep with there is literally that

Amy Dangerfielddetermines whether casual sex doesn't affect you when it's being a male and there are studies to point this out you guys don't have to believe me you can just look up the studies after it's okay find there I also just think if you're expecting something in your partner that

Brian Atlasyou should also emulate that as well and I think that it's kind of ignorant to assume otherwise but you don't you don't think that there's there's asymmetry in what men and women find attractive in

Brian Atlasthe opposite sex like for example you'll hear a lot of women say I really like funny guys but like they're not funny oh my gosh you men always think women aren't funny like that is that is like a

Brian Atlasthat is a problem that's not what I said I'm just saying like a woman who herself let's just look just give me the benefit of the doubt here let's take a woman who's just not funny

Brian Atlasand would it be wrong of her to want a guy who's funny just because she's not what about a woman who's looking for a tall man who's short herself well she rejected it's about physicality thing that's completely different it's funny

Essiethat you bring that up because um actually like evolutionary like again talking about the stupid [ __ ] book um women are like the asymetry and looking for a partner we're actually genetically supposed to look for someone opposite to

Essieour genetics for like to look for somebody tall somebody strong somebody funny somebody that's opposite of us for like the best like outcome for Offspring that's why like women there's like was a study of women who are on birth control

Amy Dangerfieldwe actually find partners that are like too similar to us and when we're off of birth control we're more attracted to like partners that are the opposite it's not usually that they're similar but usually women are more agreeable and when you're on birth control you're

Amy Dangerfieldattracted people who are more agreeable if you're a disagreeable female on birth control then maybe you wouldn't find that likely but then again on birth control You' probably be agreeable by I just reject this idea that in order for

Brian Atlasyou to rightfully either be attracted to somebody or want to be with somebody you two must possess all the characteristics

Brian Atlasthat they possess so like okay a woman who finds a rich man attractive is is it wrong that she finds a man attractive because of his wealth even if she herself is not wealthy or what about a

Brian Atlaswoman who finds a professional athlete or an actor or musician attractive because of his status but she has absolutely no status she's not a pro athlete she's not an actor she's not a musician so like this idea that well

Brian Atlasthis this idea that there needs to be perfect reciprocity a word that we used previously in the conversation or perfect uh symmetry in our you know where we fall in the world I think it

Bangsdoesn't make sense I think people usually tend to date within their dating pool like you're not like a pro athlete isn't really going to like go for me you know um actually I would say like pro

Nevathletes be dating some normal [ __ ] I mean I would tend to disagree I mean like I'm autistic I have like literally I look look really yeah yeah I never would have guessed yeah yeah no no but I'm like completely weird as [ __ ] like

Nevnot to be like like oh quirky or anything but like I I'm a [ __ ] loser like I like video games I'm cooped up like like I I just like to play video games I'm cooped up in my room all the time and then ended up scoring some guy who's an absolute Chad like he's like I

Nevdon't know he's like completely [ __ ] normal and and I I think I'm kind of like [ __ ] like I could say it you said we could say it if we had the past I mean I ended up dating someone who

Nevlike essentially like we have nothing to do with each other and it's working out pretty fine I mean like I mean we have a lot in common argument what is your argument no I'm just saying I don't know I just so you're saying like because

Nevyou're like arler that you're you should only date other AR no no no no no no it's not like that I'm saying like like people like don't always date within their pool like this guy is like awesome like he's like completely normal like go

Essieahead go I was just going to say that I mean I honestly like it's totally fine if your standards are like not similar to what you provide for me I it would like I just can't stand people who are

Essielike I want this this and this from a partner but they bring nothing to the table and I just don't think that it makes any sense I feel like you want the Rel relationship to be fair and what you can provide for each other so I think it makes sense to like if you're going to require all these things from your

Brian Atlaspartner you should probably have some other things that you're yourself offering okay so this look this whole thing stemmed from we were initially

Ali Hardestytalking about age Gap that from the age Gap thing we don't know how what's that we didn't finish going around the table on the biggest age guap oh what was yours okay did you go I think you said I

Ali Hardestydid yeah six years six years what about you mine was seven but the person I was with before him it was six so it kind of was like my Gateway into seven and that person lied about their age so I found

Ali Hardestyout from a background check they told me they were only 2 years older my friend looked up their hockey stats found out they were 30 at the time um yeah so I kind of got tricked into that before that I had only dated someone like one

Ali Hardestyyear older than me maybe two um it was 6 years I was 23 he was like 30 okay well okay I think mine was either either two or three years I what about what about you I was always older one four what

Brian Atlaswhat about you two up two down two up two down okay like but okay so I mean you know it's like so okay you think it's predatory depending on the

Nevsituation absolutely depending on the situ I think you to lie about it yeah let me you're liying about it that's S I mean I think some women seek out older men and it's like why are they you know

Nevtrying to make a not Brian he seeks out older no no a lot of no a lot of women I me I'll date I'll date young I mean a lot of women seek out older men just purely for financial gain like a lot of women oh I want a sugar daddy I want

Nevsomeone this old you know like but then they turn it around and say like oh whoo is me I'm being groomed I mean I think a transactional relationship is very

Nevdifferent than talking getting a sugar daddy and it's like groomed me no no but but what about what about like DS like oh he's such a d i want to date someone like oh I have daddy issues I'm going to date someone who's 32 I'm like 19 but

Nevthen all of a sudden they just go back on it and be like oh that was absolutely predatory but like you were the kind of the one who put yourself in that situation seeking someone like that well I think it really I think it really has to do with how the relationship goes and

Bangsthe dynamic of the relationship the environment of the relationship because it's like you know no girl is just like oh like getting with an older guy and then is like straight out of the relationship pissed and is like oh like he groomed me no it like obviously no

Bangsgirl is like saying they got groomed just to say that and for sympathy like that doesn't just happen also I think a lot of people have you heard that I think a lot of women and men too but most women refuse to take accountability

Aeliawhen it comes to stuff like that and they often like to victimize themselves I'm not I mean I think you've said a lot of times that it's pretty much the fault of the woman in every single situation you talk about you you've put accountability on the woman every single

Karentime I'm saying we should we as women should take accountability that's what I'm saying we should take accountability so you're saying it's a 19-year-old's fault no no ay- man you're saying it's her fault if she's supposedly a child

Aeliashe's supposedly a teenager it's her fault I'm not saying it's her fault but that's the way saying we should take accountability for certain situations we should take accountability if we're being financially abused we should take accountability if we give up our that's

Bangswhat I'm say I feel like you're grabbing my my words by the dick and twisting it hard right here I'm saying I've grown a lot since I was 18 I'm definitely not the same person I was when I was 18 if I were to get into a relationship when I

Bangswas 18 I would definitely come out of it and be like what the heck was that because what it like she said what what does that man have in common with me can we take accountability though you're

Nevexpecting an 18-year-old to take accountability for a 40-year-old man coming after that knows better that man Ian there are certain situations where hey it might be the man's fault it might be the man's fault but there are also situations that we personally

Nevshould take accountability for like seeking out older men purely for monetary gain or because we're attracted to them I personally am not attracted to them but some women are attracted to older men because they didn't have a father figure in their life that could be one reason or it could just be merely

Nevattraction I think we should take more accountability rather than coming out 5 years later and victimizing ourselves and obviously there are predatory men there are a lot of predatory men and there are a lot of predatory women but

NevI'm just saying in the situations where we need to take accountability we need to take accountability situation the 18-year-old is definitely not at fault yeah like the

Bangspower and balance who has the money who is older who has who has the power in the relation I'm not saying girls don't go for that sometimes cuz like that's the case but their brain isn't fully developed I mean

Brian Atlaspower imbalance like you often hear about this in like workplace relationships where the man actually has authority over you but like I don't

Brian Atlasthink dating a rich guy is like that's and you're younger that's not the same type of power in balance as like when a man has authority

Nevover you what about a 19-year-old man and a 40-year-old woman are you going to say the same thing yeah I am yeah I am I absolutely am it's not like I'm anti-women anti- this I'm just saying we

Nevshould take accountability there's a lot of situations that we put ourselves in but then we end up blaming the opposing party and the opposing party could be a man it could be a woman but we we have I

Nevmean a lot of people I know have this inclination to just go back on it and be like oh I absolutely did nothing wrong or maybe I did little wrong or it's their fault or I'm a victim I'm a victim

Nevlike sort of like B I consensually dated a man who was older than me B rexa whatever her name was like she just went back on all that and then just put these screenshots out there I think that like

Brian AtlasI don't know yeah I get what you're saying thank you let let me ask this okay so I think the example I gave previously was would you object to to a 31-year-old dating a 21-year-old and I

Aeliasaid I think that I mean like I think I would think it's kind of weird but I don't you think it's predatory no I mean like 30 and 20 isn't like that massive of an age Gap okay I mean like 10 years but also it's different like 18 years

Aeliaold is very different than 21 years old okay how about 19 and 29 how about that I would think that was weird yeah you would object to that I mean not I again I can't object to anybody's relationship but I can consider something like

Aeliaconsider predatory I would consider it weird absolutely predatory I don't consider I don't I don't think that there's anything a 29-year-old will have in common with an 18 19yearold

Amy Dangerfieldsex if that's the basis of it then again that's predatory and weird women are so much more IM mercially mature than men though like don't you all agree with that that like way falser than men like I feel like I was intellectually

BangsSuperior by at least 5 10 years to most of the men in my grade I definitely agree with that like I've heard like some girls say like oh like date older men because naturally men are like level

Bangsnaturally yeah like it like they said like um men are naturally like 10 years more immature than they really are then when we dating it's actually true no because that's why they men reach their Peak at 30 it's cuz it's true yeah but

Bangswe also shouldn't be like oh well like like that's a man at that point like he's you know like that's a full grown man like frontal lobe developed that 18-year-old frontal lobe isn't developed yet so I think we really have to take

Bangsthat into consideration because if I was making I've made some crazy decisions when I was 18 and 19 years old and maybe even now but like when it comes to like

Bangsif I was dating like a 40-year-old like that man that is a man I mean the frontal hold so okay hold on just to bring it back really quick onto this

Brian Atlaspoint so I think just I want to make sure I understand your argument properly so uh 29y old or sorry 31y old with

Aelia21-year-old the word you would use is is weird or predatory I mean well not predat I think it would be strange again again I my argument is mainly against teenagers I don't think thaty men should

Nevbe going after 18 and 19 year olds I think that that's predatory the brain isn't fully developed until the age of 25 so are you saying that we should up the age of conscent to 25 no I'm saying not what I said at all if a 19-year-old

Brian Atlaswants to talk to an 18-year-old that's completely viable and completely like normal that's a normal a so so hold on just a question just a question so okay let's let's use teenager right so 19-year-old we'll use a 19-year-old

Brian Atlasthat's still a teenager although I think it is a bit it's like you're using language to like because a teenager could also be someone who's 13 but like it's a bit like you're trying to paint

Brian Atlasit in a certain way but fine let's say a 19-year-old um you would object to 19 and 29 yeah okay again object okay and would

Brian Atlasyou would you object to a 19-year-old woman starting an only fans yeah I already said that yes oh you would I did okay darn you've got me okay well um I already said I think what's the minimum

Aeliaage then for to start an only fans I would to be honest I would probably wait till like 25 we were having this conversation earlier and I think that there are a lot of pros and cons to doing it and I think that a lot of

Aelia18-year-old women are starting only fans under the guys of these women that have these massive platforms telling them you're going to make a ton of money you're going to get all this money you should sign up when you're 18 blah blah blah but I don't think that they really

Aeliarealize what they're actually doing with their life and the things that will follow from that because they're just thinking they're going to make a ton of money when in reality they're not y so I we are yeah I do not think that 18yearold I do not think that

Aelia18-year-olds should start only fans I don't think that 19-year-olds should start only fans I think that women should take a long hard look at what that means and what the pros are and what the cons are and I think that you should wait till you're older because I

Brian Atlasstarted mine when I was 27 absolutely one sec one sec so just to bring it back to I think you said well what does a 31-year-old have in common with a 21y old right 18 yeah 21 is I mean you

Brian Atlascould you could still say the what does a 31 you want to argue 21 we can do that with with okay fine 29 to 19 okay um it's not clear to well it's not clear to me that having commonality with

Aeliasomeone is a primary uh attraction trigger I mean like you don't you don't find attraction to people that you have things in common with and that you talk to and can like understand where they're at and life and

Aeliatheir life experiences and things like that because a 29-year-old and a 19-year-old have very very different life experience and a 29 year-old is going to be able to manipulate a 19-year-old very very easily not

Brian Atlasnecessarily I mean in most cases well I mean we we were previously talking about this how women mature a bit faster and I would say women actually get a lot more uh I think women are much more socially

Brian Atlasattuned than men are so I mean you can make the argument in a lot of cases that women socially can actually run circles around men yeah I wouldn't say for a 29 or 30-year old man I think that's like a

Brian Atlasmassive difference not necessarily I mean he could be he could be uh say he's maybe not the most attractive guy maybe he's got a job like a 19-year-old girl who's kind of a

Brian Atlas[ __ ] Hustler could go in there and absolutely run circles around a a dude who's in his late 20s or early 30s if she's a hustler a 19-year-old chick that's a hustler could absolutely [ __ ] run circles around like some

Brian Atlaslike n 30-year-old who doesn't have much of relationship experience take for example maybe a guy who's uh not particularly attractive he's going to get [ __ ] played he's going to get

Brian Atlasgot so that's true I'm not saying that's going to be the case for like most women I'm not saying most women are are Hustlers like that but like you know

Brian Atlasthey can get got you know so but I mean this idea that commonality I mean have you ever had a ton of things in common with someone and there was no attraction action yeah I mean yeah sure all the time but like

Aeliaevery relationship I've ever had I've had things to talk about with them in commonality whether it's life life experience or things we've gone through or Hobbies or activities or whatever the case may be I've never I've also never

Amy Dangerfieldbeen attracted to a man that I have nothing in common with but also would you agree that today's uh generation is growing up much faster as well like I think back to me being an 18-year-old versus the 18-year-olds nowadays like

Amy Dangerfieldthey're talking about [ __ ] doing [ __ ] and aware of [ __ ] that I had no clue about at their age and so it's also just a sign of the times to a degree

Brian Atlashonestly no I agree yeah thank you I get it I don't know if look if if a girl's 53 and wants to date a guy who's 6'4 you wouldn't say but you don't have anything

Aeliain common with him that's again that's a physical thing that's not has nothing to do with life experience or like commonality okay well I mean okay what I mean what is the advantage say you're a

Aelia30 3 1y old guy what advantages are there to dating a 31y old woman versus a 21y old woman I mean as far as life experience already having Partnerships knowing what you want knowing what you don't want being able to talk about

Aeliathose things having healthy communication and boundaries because you've put in the work through your 20s in order to have those healthy relationships a 19-year-old probably hasn't done that so what I hear is more

Aeliasexual partners more relationship baggage more relationship trauma I don't think that I don't consider any of that because every relationship that I've been in I wouldn't consider traumatic I mean a lot of those were experiences that I had positive experiences with

Aeliapeople that I dated where I came out and I said you want to know what like I really like this about him and I really didn't like this and this is something that I realized in my life that this is something I don't agree with or want I mean go back to Jonah Hill I would if I

Aeliawas him and I started dating that surfer girl after all of my other experiences I go uh you know what this doesn't really align with what I want in my life so I would just choose not to date that person I mean you just know what you want

Brian Atlaswhereas a 19-year-old has no freaking clue what they want realistically I've met I've met a lot of women of varying ages and I I

Brian Atlasdon't think uh I mean maturity is not a given even if you are older there's a lot of immature people a lot of people with trauma and baggage

Aeliaand issues that you can find at pretty much any age right but I mean a lot of the reasoning that these men say they want to 18 19yearold is because they lack baggage and lack trauma so by your and they're also more physically

Aeliaattractive I mean I think that's subjective well I mean how dare a man be attracted to a woman at the height of her physical attractiveness and fertility say yeah I didn't say that he can't be attracted to somebody that age but I think when you get to a certain

Nevpoint it's more so like oh she lacks experience I'm able to take advantage of that she doesn't have that's kind of projection but you're implying that the primordial attractive is attraction is predatory I mean it could be predatory

Nevbut it that's not always the case I mean when you're coming at it as oh she doesn't have any baggage she doesn't have any relationship experience this is somebody that I can easily take advantage of some people don't want to deal with that like a lot of people aren

Aeliadon't want to deal with baggage trauma some people don't want to have to deal with trauma want they just want to become somebody else's trauma that's not at all that is a very Bleak way of looking at relationship

Amy Dangerfieldwomen especially with the incidents of mental health that's going up like I'm sure you'll at least know like mer of your friends at least have anxiety or de or some form of mental illness you get a girl who's younger closer to a blank slate than anything low body count has

Amy Dangerfieldnot been tainted by the world like why doesn't that make more sense going to be less combative fight with you less more respectful in the relationship and have any baggage holding I mean life

Amy Dangerfieldexperience for sure helps but I feel like for trauma it can go one of two ways with women it could ruin them or it could make them stronger and the percentile that it makes stronger is very minimal by comparison and I think trauma affects the way that

Nevrelationships go like it it has a lot to do with relationships like oh I'm traumatized cuz this happened to me so these old men have yeah like these men don't have any trauma this not everybody again men and women are different trauma

Nevaffects men differently than women I believe it does and I don't think it's the partner's responsibility to have someone with that amount of emotional baggage it's I think it's absolutely okay to be like I don't want someone who is still dealing with these problems

Nevlike maybe if they've healed from it you know it's fine but like there's certain people who aren't equipped to deal with that sort of thing and some people don't want a relation some people are seeking casual relationships you don't want and they don't seek out relationships with this amount of debt to them and so you

Nevdon't really want someone who might you know harm them in some way not harm physically or harm emotionally but there are certain behaviors that traumatize people might exhibit due to their trauma that might hurt the relationship and I myself have

Nevtrauma and I'm not going to go ahead and dump it but I'm saying that has absolutely affected the way I've interacted with people that's affected the way that I've Loved people that's affected the way that I've received love

Ali Hardestyand I think it's just not I don't blame the people for not wanting that uh what's your question then we we have a couple chats go ahead I was just going to ask I'm curious if anyone knows how does trauma affect men and women

Bangsdifferently or like how does that come out differently if anything um what I've heard um is that men with mental disorders and usually show it way more

Bangsthan women do like borderline personality disorder men tend to be way more aggressive than women do than women are so I think you are a little bit wrong with that because some men simply

Amy Dangerfieldcannot control themselves well that's the way it's exhibited it's going back to the saying that like men and women commit suicide equally but most men actually die of suicide because when them it's going to actually affect them most women attempt more because let me

Bangsfinish um most women attempt more because men don't care about how they die they want to do it in the most um crazy way okay let's move on from that

Brian Atlasokay let me do some chats here we have alare resz here uh I guess bits aren't accepted but a few of these girls know what they are talking about I'm an older

Brian Atlasman that used to date older women in my 20s pH balance oh God no joke I've learned a lot over the years and boiling a sex toy is the only way to sanitize

Nevwhat the you boil them boil sex bro it's like in the same pot that you're making craft mac and cheese

Brian Atlasmaking dild um wait boiling a sex toy the only way to what's a what's what are those things called that heat things an autoclave wait autoclave is that a thing that like that's correct yeah that's

Brian Atlasthat's where I put my sex toys the autoclave thank you man appreciate it testing tolerance here thank you man for the uh streamlabs donation what does a 40-year-old man have in common with an

Brian Atlas18-year-old 18-year-old woman dumbest question ever asked by wall approaching women how about 15 million years of primate Evolution amazing levels of

Bangsignorance here not my words don't shoot the messenger that is from Tes you guys want to talk about Evolution and then you guys come on here and call girls fat okay let's talk about how back then in

Bangsevolution if you guys have ever ever heard of I think it's like um the body of Venus or something like that I could be completely wrong on the name of the

Bangsit was like a super super old uh ancient artifact from like literally like the caveman days and it was literally this woman who is like a little cavan days is

Bangsfrom the caveman days I don't think they were okay no it was like like Italian Renaissance yeah okay it was like something it was like something like they found it in like a cave or something like back then when people

Bangswould like still do cave stuff I'm not exactly sure on what year but um there was this woman who was literally like a bigger woman and she you know had wide hips big boobs like they were a little

Bangsbit saggy but like it doesn't matter because that that's what like Beauty was back then because biology let me finish because because the standard is different yeah the standard is different

Bangswhen you back then the cavemen would look at that and biology would be like okay literally go for that woman because she can she's fertile she looks fertile that's true you guys mentioned earlier that uh men

Bangsshould evolve from certain behaviors so why can't women evolve to not be fat I'm literally just saying how men like to talk about biology all the time but then like they like to come up on here yes

Bangsbut bringing up a statue has nothing to do with Biology I'm saying that back then biologically biologically this was the most beautiful woman figure ever it was natural beauty but I think with the

Brian Atlasright clothes the right look you could be very striking whoa what the [ __ ] what was that what was that it was a I think that was Nick who said that how dare you Nick I didn't even

Bangshear well being fat might have been desirable back then tell I don't like you okay um let's do it's not that it was it's not that being fat was desirable is that it you looked like you

Brian Atlascould withand child birth wide hips well we have a chat here from J Kai here thank thank for the 50 for Naomi hands down you're the most beautiful girl on

Brian Atlasthis podcast you have true class oh thanks and love God those two qualities make you a 10 oh actually you know what speaking of that we have Stiffler here ask everyone to rate their looks on the

Essiescale of 1 to 10 starting with you go ahead I've already thought about this um I saw that earlier and I was going to say like a I'd say like probably a six or seven

Brookeprobably close to seven to be generous a 10 all all right a seven um I don't know she's a 10 throw something out

Ali Hardestythere throw something out there I don't really I don't want to oh okay what about you 10 baby okay okay well judging that D said seven I'm going to say seven cuz I think yeah um

Amy DangerfieldI'll say a five uh fresh out of the shower uh six and a half to 7even uh seven on average eight on a

Brian Atlasgood day okay I give my I give myself a six give myself a six mate okay um so 10 10 yeah 10 out of 10 yes so perfect you

Bangsguys are perfect in my own eyes absolutely perfect but it's just just clar why am I going to come on to the internet and be like yeah I'm a five like I'm just putting myself down I it took me so long to love myself Brian I'm

Bangsgoing to stay here and I'm going to be like I I love myself I'm a 10 um I don't care what you think I don't care if you don't think I'm a 10 but I'm beautiful wait so question question should

Ali Hardestyeverybody be a 10 yeah every should all women should all are all women T I think we should all feel like a 10 I just wasn't going to go in with that cuz I think they're t s so I'm like okay all right I think

Aeliawomen are beautiful so all women should be tens I think all women I agree they should all feel like tens absolutely they all have should all are are all men tens all men should feel like they're

Nevtens absolutely no but do you view all men as tens I mean of course not well but I'm rating myself am I not I'm not rating

Amy Dangerfieldyou like I think gets so hurt anytime somebody rates thems at 10 I'm deeply hurt I'm so hurt I feel like a healthy self-image is based on number one your own self- Lov that should come

Amy Dangerfieldfirst but it should also come from outside influence as well not not that shouldn't be the main thing but it is a healthy perspective to be why yeah why would I allow what somebody else thinks because otherwise you live in an echo chamber otherwise you live in an echo

Amy Dangerfieldchamber and your own bias your confirmation bias in your own life could lead you to be very being very wrong not necessarily with your looks but with personal flaws that you may encounter we're talking I know my personal flaws

BangsI'm just saying I'm not thinking I'm the most perfect person in the world is lizo a 10 lizo is beautiful lizo is a 10 absolutely is she's beautiful go ahead um and a great role model I think that

Essieit's great and I think everybody it's great if they feel like they're a 10 and they should feel like they're a 10 but being realistic like I the reason I rated myself on that too is just based off like like I said Character defects things that probably wouldn't make me intend in other people's eyes things

Bangsthat I could improve on and that's just being like realistic yeah I just keep that a little bit private because it's not anyone's business to know like my character flaws you know like not something I really want to put out into the internet I want those of you who

Bangsrated yourself get those cheap makeup wipes away from me get those cheap makeup wipes away from me literally get them away that's going to make me break out that's break don't want to see that anybody

Bangswant to revise their answer I think I look better without makeup I would say i' maybe a half Nea actually has salic acid and it if you like brought like M like mistler water or something yeah I'm not going to use

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Amy Dangerfieldthe brunette with the accent I didn't catch her name is beautiful plus smart huge W if she's still single then she's a walking Trifecta either way she makes you three or fours look like what you truly are but I can't say because

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Brian AtlasDangerfield any relation to Rodney Dangerfield wish no respect no respect Okay Tyler thank you for the 5050 57 with six figures and seven inches how did the ladies rate that just

Brian Atlascurious okay how do you guys rate a guy who has a cat Avatar 5'7 oh he's 5'7 height six figures and his appendage is

Essieseven in if that's a your cata actually helps you all I can do a good rating so the cat already starting off strong okay 5 seven that's perfect that's like an inch and a half taller than me um six

Essiefigures whatever that's not really important 7 in might be too much not sure how I feel about that that was really good so you're saying

Karenthat her ex has a chance oh I just want to say I'm sorry for being mean I was petty of me to say that I just want to say it was petty of me Redemption I've had a very long day redemption I'm a

Karenback pedal I'm a backpedal apologize you had a bad day because you you said did two I had a long day long day long better what but I do want to apologize it was rude I'm going to say that it was

Karenrude AP apology accepted thank you sort of on behalf of your boyfriend who's coming on the show and who's going to talk about I don't even know who he is he's coming on the show he's gonna talk

Brian Atlasabout okay all right uh do you guys want to here quick quick just rate him just rate him quick just need 57 isn't tall enough for me okay what about you no he's good he's fun

Nevyeah yeah I think the cat really helps yeah I don't want to rate him I have a boyfriend who's very beautiful 58's usually my minimum but we would see I like the cat though cute cat Naomi um I

Naomidon't know I don't know what he looks like isn't Naomi I moan backwards yes I got that joke a lot in freaking in middle school high school like do you know what Naomi it's backwards cliche

Brian Atlasokay um let's see oh alz weird top is a 10 with great late night talks bangs is a eight with many late night fights far right and far left just for the bed and Camera allas thank you man who is the

Brian Atlasweird top who has the weird top I'm assum you I mean is that you with the weird top who has the weird top I don't know who has the weird top um okay we have NPC IRL literally the two claiming they are 10 are the

Brian Atlasabsolute that thing uh looks and personality girl on the far right is a nine plus I think that's you these are the highest ratings I've ever gotten into my life so I'm like soaking it all

Amy Dangerfieldin right now yeah you're you're you're beautiful you're definitely you're like you're the prettiest girl in the Pano by fall yeah that's you baby I'm going to

Brian Atlaskiss you guys all later bang uh an and as as do you is that what your ni did you go as I mean whatever he's kind of

Aeliainsulting you guys do you have a response to NPC IRL I mean he's literally an NPC so why do I roasted boom you're done you never have a chance with either of us that's right MPC bangs

Brian Atlaswould never go for oh sorry sorry and he I'm sorry I'm sorry keep I'm sorry I'm sorry okay say my name again say it is that like a this is getting a little no say it just say I need to hear you say say my name so no

Brian Atlassay it the correct way Gerard okay we got it sweet I want to try to get through all of your guys' pre-show notes that you sent me because I I want to be considera of everyone that provided them so we have we we're

Brian Atlasgetting there we're getting there so I think we hit most of uh A's points Essie you got catfished on a date once I tried to stick it out I should have left uh very quickly what happened on your

Essiecatfish date oh my gosh so this was like around Co so um I'll preface it with that uh met him on a dating app we got along really really well but because of Co happening a lot of the businesses

Essiewere closed so we were waiting a while to plan the first date um we ended up getting um like coffee to go somewhere and like that was the date but um I remember like pulling up to the place where we were meeting and he I'm like

Essielooking for him cuz he said he would be waiting outside and he was like I'm literally outside right now and I'm like I don't see you anywhere he's like I'm literally standing in front of the door and I'm like oh no in this moment I

Essierealized I was probably getting catfished um and he looked vaguely like the photos like it it was almost like the photos were taken maybe when he was like very very young and from like

Essiepartial angles um but I wanted to stick it out because we had such a good emotional connection that I thought maybe like I could obviously look past like that um um cuz he we really did get along really well so I wanted to stick

Essieit out and I definitely should not have done that I've learned my lesson um he ended up being like a little bit crazy um like needless to say we like went back to his apartment to drink the coffee like sit in the living room and

Essiehe like had to go to his bedroom to take a light bulb out of the lamp from the bedroom to bring it and put the light bulb in the lamp in the living room and then he like offered me chil that he cooked it was like very weird is it Jil

Brian Atlasgood I didn't eat it oh wow poison chil poison chil so there was just a one andone date situation okay so he's a little crazy are you a little crazy

Brian Atlasthough like a little crazy I I mean I feel like everybody's a little bit crazy I don't want to just Proclaim myself as being a crazy woman okay and then your other thing is I'd like to speak on women paying for first dates this is a

Brian Atlashot take with my friends and they hate when I do this are you guys her friends by the way do you hate when she does this you pay do you disavow her paying for you disavow I mean not I wouldn't

Aeliasay disavow I think it I think this I don't know if this is necess I mean like I know a lot of people view it as a hot take I don't necessarily think it matters if the woman pays for the date first if she's like okay with that I

Aeliapersonally will always offer you know when I was single I would always offer um and even now in my relationship like I don't mind paying for dates and stuff first date I think it can kind of go either way but yeah I think that's a

Brian Atlasconversation that just varies person to person wait hold on so question for you you said you offer but was it a token courtesy offer or was it like would you be upset if a guy took you up on your

Essieoffer to pay I mean not necessarily no oh okay go ahead what's your take oh um I'm just very adamant about paying for the first date especially if it's somebody that I really like just just a point of clarification when you say

Brian Atlaspaying for the first date do you mean paying for your stuff or paying for both everything yeah you'll pay for the dude yeah that's interesting yeah I just want to show

Essieso she's a queen it's good it's good okay I just really like showing like that I that I care and I feel like guys deserve to be treated too so that for me but it can go

Essie50/50 sometimes the guys really don't like it um and sometimes the guys really do like it and they they like enjoy it but I always say like hey I'll pay for this you pay for the second date what was that my

Bangsring um yeah I'm always like I'll pay for the first date you pay for the second and that like also insinuates that we'll see each other again I feel like some men do get offended though if I like were to even like take out my

Bangswallet they'd be like no no no no no like I'll do it you know and like they it's almost like a stab to their masculinity almost I feel like some men are really like no I like the leader I

Bangsguess and they want to pay they want to do do it all they want to plan out the date and then even when like you like fake take out your wallet and you're like and they're like no I feel like a lot of it though too is I mean going from the expectation of women

Aeliabecause it is so common for women to expect men to pay for the first date and so if they really like a girl they might just be like no no no because they don't want to screw up their chances with that woman cuz I don't necessarily think it matters but I think most men I mean some

Naomimight feel emasculated but I think a lot of it is just the expectation of oh I have to pay for this date or I'm never going to see this girl again yeah I guess at my age when I go into a date I mean I have paid for a date before like on second on thirdd like

Naomiwhen we're actually trying to pursue something and I realize okay I like him he likes me oh let me pay for the date and they're still like no no no no I'll do it but like I was perfectly willing to pay for that like $80 date or whatever but I guess at my age now that

NaomiI'm older when I'm when I'm choosing people or saying yes to people who are invting me out I'm really really picky and so I'm looking for like husband material so for me if you're going to be my provider you're going to be my protector if I'm my hips are going to separate to Bear your child and I'm

Naomigoing to gain weight I would hope you'd pay for me on the first day exct do you see what I mean but but prefer to cook it granted I mean I can but I'm just saying like if you were to invite me on the date and like he's trying to show me like hey you know I can be husband

Naomimaterial okay after that we can split we can I can pay for you because I love you you love me whatever but I feel like maybe the first day especially at my age yeah it' be nice I feel like Essie kind of just has the role reversal of how the

Aeliaman feels like the man is usually is like oh I want to treat her I want to make sure she knows that she's being treated whereas Essie's kind of just flipping it and being like no I want to show you that like you deserve to be treated as well I think I think that's just kind of what it is he takes the

Bangslead in that and then you can like kind of follow as as after that if you want to pay for him you know I've paid for dates just not the first one right you know would you feel emasculated if a

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