TRIGGERED Demonic Blood Witch E-Girl Puts A CURSE On The Podcast?! | Dating Talk #133
Date: 2024-02-05
Duration: 6h 24m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS(audience)
SPEAKER_01Production(audience)
SPEAKER_02Ariana/Jules/Carmen(guest)
SPEAKER_03Sky(guest)
SPEAKER_04Arson(guest)
SPEAKER_05Kayla(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Jake(guest)
SPEAKER_08Meow(guest)
SPEAKER_09Kiki(audience)
SPEAKER_10Angela(guest)
SPEAKER_12Raven(guest)
SPEAKER_13Bri(guest)
Key Moments
00:02:41
IntroArson introduces herself; reveals her government name is actually Arson and she makes portable flamethrowers.
“my name's arson um I'm 24 is that your government name that's my government name”
00:03:58
IntroMeow introduces herself as a dog (purple Dalmatian) who lives the dog-girl lifestyle full-time.
“my name is meow like a cat but I am a dog and I'm 27 I'm from the USA and I'm a twitch live streamer”
01:39:34
Key MomentArson describes 4-year relationship with a videographer whose leg was amputated and put on backwards to function as a new knee joint.
“it was like left amputated and like put on backwards and then like the foot joint now acts as a knee joint”
01:40:20
ControversyArson recounts sex injury that sent her to the ER: used kitchen knife for blood-play on second meeting, deep laceration required ER visit, which is how they fell in love.
“we used a freaking kitchen knife and it was so dull and tried to do like a tiny cut and it wouldn't work and I just grabbed my leg and he just went once really fast”
02:03:02
Key MomentJake Australia arrives to the show, having driven through flooding rainstorms.
“good evening everybody good evening nice to meet you how you all doing Jake we're going to be leg to leg here”
02:06:00
Key MomentArson shows she is wearing diapers on-show; reveals her current boyfriend gave her a perineal tear from sex that required diapers and lidocaine jelly for a week.
“I had to wear diapers for a week and why is that so I do only fans my boyfriend and I were just practicing some things”
02:33:20
ControversyBrian challenges Meow on her dog-girl identity, asking whether a traditional man could accept a dog-girl partner and whether the lifestyle is a sexual kink.
“when you say 11 do you are you thinking about it in in your eyes or are you thinking about it in like the broader Society”
02:39:00
Key MomentSelf-ratings round begins. Meow rates herself 11/10.
“well we'll start with you and then we'll go around the table go ahead 10 um maybe like a seven eight okay closer”
04:48:07
ControversyArson pulls a syringe filled with blood from her bag on-show, claiming it is a token of her manifestation from blood rituals performed the previous night.
“there was a syringe okay gosh that's what I was just drawing it up in you just did a you did this at the table no I keep it on me as a token of my manifestation”
04:52:10
Key MomentJake warns Arson about the dangers of blood rituals and occult practices, saying she is tapping into dark spiritual energy.
“I would urge you girls to be very careful with what you she us she used to take menstrual blood also yeah you guys I'm sorry you might think it's a bit of fun you're going into something that's pretty dark”
04:55:00
Key MomentAngela explains Arson's cult/witchcraft behavior as a manifestation of emotional intensity and desire for control, comparing it to historical blood goddess worship.
“what you're calling delusional is basically you being a very emotionally intense person where you want that true love”
05:12:40
Key MomentAngela argues that Arson's blood magic and cult behavior is ultimately self-harm used to gain an illusion of control.
“drawing your own blood is a form of self harm so it's like you're ultimately hurting yourself to gain control over a situation”
05:15:40
Key MomentBody count round: Bri reveals body count of 6 (was dating from age 17-22).
“literally um I was dating someone for 5 Years From 17 to 22 so mine is only six”
05:16:10
Key MomentBody count round: Arson says she lost count and estimates somewhere between 30 and 200+.
“I lost track honestly I don't know I literally have absolutely no clue if it would be like 30 100 or over that like I have no clue”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Introductions and relationship status
Guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Brian goes around the table on relationship status, demisexuality, femcel identity.
00:15:00
Alternative / subculture dating struggles
Discussion on dating within the alt/e-girl subculture. Arson describes herself as femcel. Meow discusses dog-girl lifestyle and voluntary celibacy. Panel discusses whether alt aesthetic attracts or repels healthy partners.
01:38:20
Arson's relationship history and ER incidents
Arson details 4-year relationship with videographer who became addicted to Percs and had leg amputated and reversed. ER visit from blood-play injury during their second meeting. Hooked via trauma bond.
01:55:00
Mental health, diagnosis, and medication
Raven shares she was told at 16 she would be institutionalized for life; recovered after moving out at 18. Debate on legitimacy of bipolar/BPD diagnoses. Arson acknowledges bipolar-like symptoms and credits them as creative fuel.
02:03:02
Jake Australia arrives and joins panel
Jake (Rattlesnake TV) arrives after driving through flooding storm. Brian introduces him; Jake joins the table.
02:04:14
Ivory (Ariana) pre-show notes discussion
Brian goes through Ariana's pre-show notes: exotic dancer + OnlyFans, perineal tear from sexual encounter requiring diapers for a week, basketball team history at University of Portland, ex who still requests $40 via Venmo, leaning Trump.
02:11:40
Men as demons / toxic relationship patterns
Arson describes modern dating as a scam and men as demons. Angela and Brian note pattern of Arson attracting emotionally unavailable men due to her own unresolved emotional needs.
02:21:40
Meow's dog-girl lifestyle debate
Extended discussion of Meow's dog-girl identity. Jake questions whether it is a sexual kink; Meow denies it. Angela raises cognitive dissonance between wanting a traditional man and presenting as a dog. Brian asks what breed Meow is (lavender Dalmatian).
02:27:20
Feminist and political identity round
Brian asks each guest: are you a feminist? Political leaning? Responses range from feminist/liberal (Meow) to anti-feminist/monarchy (Angela) to apolitical. Arson declines feminist label and is apolitical.
02:39:00
Physical attractiveness / self-rating round
Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10. Meow rates herself 11, Bri rates 10, Arson 10, Sky 7, Raven 4, Jake 7, Brian 5. Debate on whether self-ratings are objective.
04:48:00
Arson's cult and blood rituals
Arson reveals she leads a group of like-minded women she calls a cult, focused on world liberation and domination. Monthly Airbnb meetings with spell-casting and blood pacts. Pulled a syringe from her bag on-show as a token of manifestation. Jake warns against occult practices. Angela offers psychological analysis.
05:08:20
Body count and mate value debate
Extended panel debate on whether body count affects women's value as a partner. Jake and Angela argue Chastity is a male value preference. Brian argues it is not hypocritical to desire in a partner what you don't possess.
05:15:00
Body count round
Brian goes around table asking body counts. Bri: 6. Arson/Arson-label: 30-200+ (lost count). Sky: ~9. Raven: undisclosed. Angela: undisclosed. Jake: 4. Lesie: 4. Ariana: ~30. Others declined or gave ranges.
06:18:20
Kayla's before/after style transformation
Brian shows before/after photos of Kayla from when she was homeless and kicked out vs. her current alt style. Discussion on how freedom from restrictive home led to her aesthetic expression.
Transcript
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04:47:22
Jakeit should be taken out of yeah a choice that is typically it's for infants and they usually grow out of it I had a guy who's who had just he's just didn't fit you know so he had to get it done when
04:47:34
Jakehe was like 14 good friend of mine no but that's what I'm saying I think he was just he just no it just kept growing and then it just got too sort of yeah something happened I didn't I
04:47:45
Brian Atlasdidn't not the of details BR but okay I know what happen here going to uh arson she's back I want to touch really quick you said you've transcended dating
04:47:56
Brian Atlasand that you're an occult that's focused on world Liberation and domination we'll talk about I said we talk about for a little bit so do you want to tell us a little bit about the cult and I have
04:48:07
Arsonsome questions I can ask you but yes so basically I found this group of girls where we're all like the similar type of
04:48:16
Arsondelusional basically and we've bonded so strongly over it and the delusion yes you've Bond wait you've bonded over the
04:48:26
ArsonDel being delusional yes not like other okay like we'll meet we'll have meetings like like once a month where went at Airbnb and you know of course cast
04:48:37
Arsonspells do rituals we made a blood packed um did you guys cast any spells about whatever pod we literally cast last night we did one last
04:48:46
Arsonnight took spells with the blood guys I would you help me I'm in the middle help
04:48:57
Jakeme I would urge you girls to be very careful with what you she us she used to take menstrual blood also yeah you guys you guys you guys I'm sorry you might
04:49:08
Jakethink it's a bit of fun you're going into something that's pretty dark there I have so many stories ceremonies that's objective also uh objective no it's
04:49:18
Arsonreally not i' say that you're the BL be for real what do you do i' say you drink transfer you mix like all your guys' blood together no no no I'd say that what you're calling delusional is basically you being a very emotionally
04:49:31
Angelaintense person as already covered where you want that true love and the girls that you are sympathizing with that understand you are those who also want that true love but the men that you're finding because of the poison that you kind of crave are the ones who take advantage of that so in order to take more control over that which has always
04:49:44
Angelabeen the history of Witchcraft you then try to use manipulation to get your way with these men but in reality it's an unsustainable way of gathering control I suppose a more sustainable way would be
04:49:54
Angelato as has been mentioned on the panel developing a level of awareness by taking in what people are telling you in a way where it won't disrupt your inner peace but rather construct your
04:50:04
Arsonperspective a little more in I trying to have fun like anything I find fun like that's what I'm trying to do I don't want to even like go in too deeply about like I'm I'm not trying to be out here
04:50:15
Arsonmanipula anyone like if they're if they're having negative energy I I'm casting out do you believe do you believe in some sort of spirituality do you believe that we live in a spiritual world I have my own version of a higher
04:50:26
Arsonpower and that's what you know cuz what a cult is is like you all believe in the same like relig it's religious cuz you believe in the same higher power it's religious in structure yes MH but our
04:50:36
Arsonhigh higher power isn't like a deity or isn't a God our higher power is the bond that we form with one another you know cuz and higher power can mean like anything to you when you say you're
04:50:47
Jakedoing like blood letting rituals do you do you sort of think about what kind of um energy or spirituality you might be tapping into there yeah yeah of course it's about a transference of energy you're blood magic just makes the spell
04:51:00
Arsonmore powerful because you're transferring more of your energy in exchange for whatever you're manifesting where do you think that energy is coming from to be hold power syring quick can't
04:51:13
Arsonsyr there was a syringe okay gosh that's what I was just drawing it up in you just did a you did this at the table no I keep it on me as a as a token of
04:51:26
Angelaapprove of my manifestation it's a symbol Angelina Jolie did something similar with Bobby Thorton I forgot his name but it's typically once again a manifestation of someone who's addicted to that level of pain that level of chaos that extreme and it's like you're
04:51:38
Angelaa pendulum swinging intensely all over the place and I think for that reason you kind of have that sort of like bubbled in perspective because most of the people around you will look at that and kind of be like whoo now but I think
04:51:49
RavenI find calm and Chaos as somebody who's actually like delved into that like accidentally my friend taught me witchcraft and she also was accidentally learning witchcraft um and someone who
04:52:00
Ravenhas literally suffered demon attacks and uh become disabled from being attacked like they will choke they'll choke you they'll like you will you you will they
04:52:10
Meowgot possessed no no like they'll attack you it's like actually like manifestations if energy cannot be created or destroyed you have to think about where the power from that energy that you're tapping into is coming from
04:52:23
Meowit's either going to be a vice or a virtue in whichever side of that I just I wonder if these kind of rituals and interactions I wonder if they have any like leeway of inviting um inviting the wrong kind of like you say energy into
04:52:36
Meowyour life as in you know you can you you talk about like the inter personal issues if you feel like you're not you know finding people that are like you but the people that you have found like you are encouraging you it sounds like to do some very scary things if I can be
04:52:48
Arsonquite forward it it sounds it sounds scary that's subjective Absolut she has abely no idea what she's doing I would say it's not but we're not dealing with demons we're dealing with opposite of De you don't think you are but you are you
04:53:00
Angelaare you are you just don't know it yet it's kind of like a there's a similar practice when it comes to like goddesses like Ishtar or stard which are Mesopotamian goddesses which they require blood sacrifices and then they Empower quote unquote women who basically worship them which you then
04:53:13
Angelaworship the succubi or the Lilith or whatever ex anyways so when it comes to appealing to these types of ideas these energies let's say ideas rather it's
04:53:21
Angelalike it's more destabilizing to have to rely on yourself and your own way of protecting yourself using all of these different energies all of these different ways cuz at the end of the day drawing your own blood is A form of self
04:53:34
Arsonharm so it's like you're ultimately hurting yourself to gain control over a situation because that's the only thing you really have control over think like I don't know hurting yourself like it's like you know a person might like a tattoo like even though it's a need hit
04:53:46
Angelathat that like some people think it's really feels good but you're doing it in like a ritualistic way it's like when someone gets tattoos a lot of tattoos you can typically tell that this person's a very emotionally driven
04:53:58
Angelaperson this is someone who's basically in a moment of impulse like low impulse control they'll basically go for it or whatever so once again it's like all of these forms of self harm feel good to the person anyone who engages in that
04:54:10
Arsonbehavior says that it feels great that it's liberating if you're doing like actual self harm in a in a place of like sadness or depression like that's when obviously it's har the BL if you're
04:54:20
Meowdoing it in like but not not real self harm you know what I'm saying like well even overeating is self harm and you can sit there and just eat an extra bag of chips and it's totally fine it doesn't seem to cut you but it will hurt you over it's all a measure of trying to take control of the only thing you have
04:54:33
Angelacontrol over which is your body if you don't have control over your emotions if you don't have control over those around you the only person that you can take control out of is yourself and if you don't have anything constructive to look forward to anything organized to look forward to the only thing that you can
04:54:45
Angelatake control over is hurting yourself by destroying yourself so people who get tattoos in honor of their lost loved ones is that self harm i' I'd say that there's a better way to handle it personally but no I would say I mean
04:54:58
Raventechnically actually yeah cuz then you're doing grief exactly yeah it's a it's a form of grief can I say that Satan is a trickster like you're never going to go like most people don't go in being like Oh I'm going to go worship
04:55:10
Arsonthe devil today like a lot of it I don't believe in Hell a lot of is self okay well you should okay there's n you should not believe in it I I also have a struggle in believing in Hell myself despite being religious only because I
04:55:22
Angelawas raised Jehovah Witness they don't believe in Hell or Heaven but in the sense of believing in hell if you just look at the people who basically indulge in the most self-harming behaviors the people people who basically have no
04:55:34
Angelacontrol over their life they are already living in a little bit of hell I don't know if you've seen the movie Hellraiser by I think Wes Craven from 1980 uh is that with the spikes yes yes pin uh pin head so that's a perfect
04:55:46
Angelaexample of how someone who the opposite of pain is not pleasure that's it's like counterpart basically so that movie illustrates it perfectly where it's like someone who's addicted to massive amounts of pleasure through massive
04:55:57
Angelaamounts of pain and being in that fleshy state is a measure of being out of control so a place to be is in the middle a balance where you're no longer dependent on how you feel or how your
04:56:09
Arsonbody is experiencing whatever but rather staying in a peaceful spiritual Zone inside of yourself yeah it's just all about manifestation like I realized what manifestation in like putting your
04:56:20
Arsonenergy towards a certain thing can literally like actualize it so well so it's literally just about the highest form of manifestation you could perform you know what I mean it's not too like [ __ ] Satan or the devil or whatever
04:56:32
Jakelike because like for me like that's just not even something in my brain my mind it doesn't doesn't know red flags when you say that you're in a cult and you do bloodletting rituals no not not to me personally
04:56:43
Ravenmaybe it's literally that delusion that like and Satan will trick you I didn't know I was practicing witchcraft a ton of people don't even know that they're doing very like demonic witchcraft type of things right like you you could go to
04:56:56
RavenBarnes & Noble be like oh my gosh in the kids section little spell book like it's it's all just so cute and it's like fun you think it's like just what you're saying has no validity to me cuz I don't believe in it and I don't really know
04:57:08
Arsonwhat you're talking about you said you were casting spells when it comes but but if you believe in the power in witchcraft where can that power come from when it comes not Satan it comes from the Divine energies of the universe that like manifestation work on you know
04:57:21
Angelawhen it comes to what James was saying when it comes to what James was saying there's a level of desensitization going on where you're so used to the extremes that that which other people who aren't so in the extremes consider to be
04:57:32
Angelaharmful Behavior but that plays hand in hand with why it is that you know the guys that you engage in intimacy with tend to have cheese somewhere that tends to be why guys will take advantage of you or hurt you is because those are the extremes that you encounter if you end
04:57:45
Angelaup pulling yourself away from those extremes you then encounter a more peaceful a more loving a more supportive role for you inside of yourself basically someone will try to that's why I like women and that's why I don't talk to wom women do give me that peace you
04:57:58
Angelayou're going You're not getting I'm not going after men whatsoever I'm talking about experience be part of the but if the women that you're around if they end up getting emotionally quote unquote better if they end up finding a partner that basically takes them away cuz they go to
04:58:10
Arsonstart a family do you feel like at some point relying on a woman who might go away could be a place of you being stranded on a Lonely Island No the women that are in the group that do have boyfriends like because there's people
04:58:23
Arsoneverybody in there is about we have our own individuality we don't like you know it's about a place of no judgment so people in there do do it's not even just about like All Hiding men but whenever whenever girls are in we're in our group
04:58:35
Meowthat's always talking about the ab abuse of men like literally so it's a place where that topic festers that sounds really painful to have to talk about over and over and over again while doing physical blood letting ritual doesn't
04:58:46
Arsonsound like good vibe manifestation at all no there's Good Vibes and bad vibes we stay like a whole like night to two nights together so we have our like good moments and bad moments you know I know what you're talking about I definitely know what you're talking about but
04:58:59
Angelathere's no Solutions offered to get out of that situation if there's other people living a life where they don't encounter that there some to that's just venting that's three we don't have therapists we are each other therapist but that's bad vibes and then you're
04:59:11
Ravenalso opening up doors that you have no idea how to close or no idea how to manage do you think there safer options for you to be able to still be like a part of a group like that oh yeah for
04:59:23
Arsonsure there's safer options but and and mostly it's it's not even that's just something we do kind of like just for fun just to like really manifest you know that's not like we're all about just being like super like culty witches
04:59:34
Arsonlike it's mostly just about love like it's literally about pure love for each other the just the beautiful princess start manifesting itself again but that's the trick like I've been in your shoes when it comes to this same and I
04:59:47
Arsonhope you never have to go through what I went through to get to where I am today but she will the [ __ ] that I've been through like probably we have you all having PTSD for sure but probably same with y'all but like I don't have any like literally when something really
05:00:00
Arsontraumatizing bad happens like I'm able to for about it like the next day talking that's not that's called dissociating exactly yeah I'm that inflated ego that Super Hyper inflated
05:00:13
Angelaego is just a show that you have very low self-esteem and that is L certain times that's that's kind of whole desensitization you've been through so much that it's basically filed down the sharpness of reality to a point where you don't feel reality anymore and there's a lot of girls who go through
05:00:27
Angelathat experience because we live in a society that basically throws them to the dogs basically by virtue of I guess to go back to politics feminism so you're basically left on your own to have to handle reality on your own but it's
05:00:39
Angelalike that desensitization that level of like oh no I'm totally fine you know I'm running away from problems to problem all these problems happen all these terrible people around me all of these bad things keep happening to me but I'm totally okay you guys just don't understand reality y'all don't
05:00:50
Arsonunderstand anything no like that's how my life used to be ever since like I've joined this women call it's literally been so lit wonder why it is no technically it's a step in the right direction it's technically not the ideal
05:01:02
Angelaplace to Community it's going it's just that there's going to be issues that might make themselves super presented to you where it's like huh this might be a place that I'm not gaining any answers from and then you might want to take another step forward and that goes for
05:01:15
Meowevery woman too it's not just you it's not like you're a good woman that's a bad woman that's a bad woman you're a good woman it's just a state that you might want to move I worry that rehashing your trauma so consistently with other women while doing substances or once taking out blood things like
05:01:28
Meowthat it physiologically does affect your body and I just fear I fear that it will trap you let that go it does allow to trap in you won't grow in an echo
05:01:39
Arsonchamber I don't know I ever ever since I have I've just watched my life Elevate in so many ways so it's just like it feels like it's working okay and it feels like it's working that's why I said Satan is a trickster and it's going
05:01:52
Ravento feel really good and that's exactly the hedonistic kind of lifestyle that he wants you to live because you're just thinking oh my gosh this feels great this is this is you know I want want want want want but you're not sitting
05:02:03
Angelaback and looking at what am I losing at the same time I'd say you used to worship men as your God to be your salvation and now you're trying to worship yourself among with other women so it's like you're trying to change
05:02:14
Angelawhat you consider your God cuz everyone worships a God so I think you're trying to change what you consider God and everyone on the panel is basically telling you they're like higher more ideal basically try to strive for something above you rather than well
05:02:26
Raveneven their own experience they' indulged in witchcraft personally spot on I have had very severe demon attacks like in my sleep I would be choked I would be stabbed I could feel everything like you could feel it everything they're trying
05:02:39
Jaketo they're trying to take you same as happens to you mentioned succubus before it's like a demon that comes and grapes you in your sleep as a man and creates other little demons mhm it's so funny
05:02:50
Arsoncuz I had a dream about that literally a succubus but tell me why I thought he was fine and that's how it starts I used to I used to engage in being final thought and I'm going to move on go ahead yes being someone who loves the 19
05:03:02
Angelasixes The Beatles and all of that jazz I found myself engaging in sub substances and I also started seeing like you know demonic entities around and I was like thinking oh this is just my brain fling tricks on me but if you start seeing dark figures claring up the walls of
05:03:15
Angelasort of dark presence around you it's not just your imagination it's what those substances elicit that's why they were considered spiritual before last way don't be a witch don't be a witch
05:03:25
Brian Atlasall right total gear shift here do you guys object to men caring about body count would you object to a guy if he took quarrel with you know I got some input
05:03:37
Brian Atlasfor this one my God so well I'll start again with zre and we'll go around the table go ahead like do you mean like a girls body kounter or guys a what like a girls body kounter or gu like typically I mean women are totally entitled to
05:03:49
Brian Atlasprefer men who are not promiscuous or don't have a promiscuous past or have a low body count I do tend to hear it a bit more from Men Who tend to prefer uh women with a low body count some women
05:03:59
Brian Atlasobject to that do you object to men preferring women with a low body count do you think it's insecure do you no I feel like it's not insecure because I feel like if you've been with like a
05:04:12
Arsonlot of people then men aren't going to like take you serious okay but yeah I feel like it's ridiculous just cuz like that's just in a place of
05:04:24
Arsonjudgment you know why are you trying to judge anyone like I don't know I think you should just have an open heart and open mind to anyone and if you have like negative opinions then like literally didn't earlier in the conversation though you said you wouldn't date a guy
05:04:36
Arsonwho's shorter than you yeah but that's different than a body count because one is like you're born with it and one is like choices you've made which could indicate poor behavioral choices I don't
05:04:48
Arsonsee how it's bad how is body you think somebody should should be judgmental towards their partner or towards the person that they take seriously in a relationship no that's why I don't I don't know like I don't know the just
05:05:01
Angelabody count in general I just don't see where it's bad you know I think that kind of plays hand inand with like the lack of Standards where it's like you just want someone to love you unconditionally because there's like a level of a lack of self-awareness you're
05:05:12
Angelajust like please whatever I am love me as it is but because you don't have standards for other people then you hope that no one else has standards for your behavior but in common Society we need standards to make sure that we filter
05:05:25
Meowpeople who might be dangerous or harmful to us or others that's valid that's valid speaking to a potential partner I think it's valid to care about body
05:05:37
Meowcount like absolutely like I I don't think it's judgmental I reject the premise that it's judgmental uh toward men or women but especially for for men I think it's like a a strange premise to like care and like get all up in like a
05:05:49
Meowtizzy like if the same energy is not exchanged so if you want to be with somebody that is not judgmental and yeah they can be with whoever then that's fine but it completely is valid that I want a partner that I can rely on I want a partner who I know um will stay with
05:06:01
Meowme and a lot of people find that proof in the pudding which is their lifestyle how many people have you been with how long are your relationships what was the context of your sexual or otherwise relationship and I think that's
05:06:12
Brian Atlasimportant Cay the question was like what was it again like do you okay body count should it matter and then do you object to men caring about a woman's body count I think that it's stupid if the man has
05:06:25
Kaylaa high body count and they're like want someone with like a low body count like it it should be equal like J make sense don't like go searching for like someone with like no like a really low body
05:06:37
Brian Atlascount if you [ __ ] like a 100 girls like and do you find do you find that that's kind of a common thing for men like even men who've had a promiscuous past they prefer women with low body counts do you think there's a corresponding like women with do you
05:06:50
Brian Atlasthink there's a corresponding like women with high body counts like they're Desiring men who are virgins no no okay yeah I kind of like virgin woman but
05:06:59
Arsonthat's just a me thing sure word I don't necessarily object to men feeling some type of way about body counts because I'm not gonna I personally I'm not going to go around getting with any man being
05:07:13
Arsonin a relationship with any man that's slept with every everyone because if you have this many body count oh anyone can have you like you have no standards for yourself so I kind of understand if they would have some kind of standards for us
05:07:26
Skywhere it's like I would hope you wouldn't [ __ ] this many people or have this high of a body count true I mean but then does body count defined of how many people you're to sleep with in the future like what if that was your past
05:07:37
Arsonit's a good indicator can be a good IND it could it could be a red flag depending on how it's looked at yeah can I have you scoot your mic um I do this every time huh your answer um no I agree
05:07:50
Arsonwith her that if somebody has standards and preference then that's their standards and preference
05:07:59
Ariana/Jules/Carmenokay you can you can answer um I don't believe that that should be a question Partners ask each other at all
05:08:08
Brian Atlasto begin with okay so then you do object to men having caring about body count yes okay I don't object to it I'm on the
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Skysame page did you thoroughly answer did you I don't think so um I don't think men should care about uh another girl's body count can I ask you both of you why
05:08:30
Skylike why why do you think that should not matter do and do you think men are insecure if they would care about that um I feel like it varies on the person it can be from insecurity or it could not be I
05:08:43
Skypersonally I guess I'm going to expose myself a little my body count is a little high than I would like to but the reason why it's high is because I talk to a lot of guys and I thought having
05:08:55
Skysex with them would make them want to pursue me or take me on a date or something like that so I guess that's why I'm not I'm saying like body count
05:09:05
Brian Atlasreally shouldn't matter if that makes sense sure um what about you why why should body count not matter or probably same reason as her I feel
05:09:16
Ariana/Jules/Carmenlike everyone has a past sure and if you're getting into a relationship that you really want to be be in you guys shouldn't be worried about your guys's past at all okay and is it do you think it's
05:09:28
Ariana/Jules/Carmeninsecure if a guy prefers a woman with a low body count uh yeah do think it's an insecure personal experience Carmen did
05:09:35
Angelayou answer uh yeah I said I don't object to it and yeah um I don't object to it I I had the unfortunate bad habit of asking guys for their body count which would often times surprise them but yeah
05:09:49
Angelano I think that it's very important for both men and women and I think that it needs to be within the same range where if you're a man who's had sex with a bunch of women don't aim for a virgin CU you're going to abandon her the moment you end up hypothetically having
05:10:00
Angelachildren with her they oftentimes are more likely to cheat they're more often times to give more attention to women and normalize the idea of oh an affair is just something men do it's no big deal they have no consideration for their for the emotional needs of their
05:10:12
Angelawife likewise a woman having sex with a lot of guys can indicate hey if you know we're having marital problems you might start to emotionally fancy another man and then be led
05:10:23
Brian Atlasastray okay so couple follow-up things here um I wanted to address your thing where you said well if a guy who has a high body count you know it would be maybe
05:10:34
Brian Atlashypocritical or a double standard for him to desire in a partner a woman who has a low body count yes uh so actually I disagree with that I actually don't have any issue with a man who has a high
05:10:46
Brian Atlasbody count Desiring a woman with a low body count and I don't I don't have an issue with a woman with a high body count Desiring a man with a low body count I tend to think that women with
05:10:56
Brian Atlashigh body counts probably are much less likely to desire uh sexual Purity in men but um um that is certainly what I think is evolutionary and a biological difference between men and women but
05:11:07
Brian Atlaswhat I would ask you is when it comes to well if you've had a high body count then you can't desire women with a you can't desire women with a low body count or it's hypocritical it might be hypocritical
05:11:19
Brian Atlasfor example if a man with a high body count uh was out or who is promiscuous or is promiscuous shamed women for their promiscuity now again I do think there are some differences between men and Wom
05:11:32
Brian Atlaswomen when it comes to that but overall I would agree there if he's like shaming women for their behavior but he's partaking in said behavior that would meet the actual definition of hypocrisy
05:11:42
Brian Atlasuh but I don't think it's hypoc hypocritical to not possess a trait and desire said trait in a partner for example uh I would argue that women desire all a wide variety of traits in
05:11:55
Brian Atlaspartners that they themselves do not possess so for example uh a woman who's not funny may very well desire a man who's funny a woman who's short may very well desire a man who's tall a woman who
05:12:05
Brian Atlashas no money she may very well desire to date a man who's exceptionally wealthy a woman who has no status she might want to date a man who has a lot of status a woman who's not a professional athlete
05:12:17
Brian Atlaswould very much like to date a professional athlete so I don't think it makes you hypocritical to desire like need you possess a trait in order to
05:12:28
Kayladesire that trait in a partner and I think the answer is no um I just think it's hypocritical cuz like why do you want someone with no
05:12:38
Kaylalike very little sexual experience why do you want to commit to someti but you have a lot of sexual experience and like the other person doesn't I don't you but why do broke
05:12:50
Jakewomen want to date rich men you're not you're not rich why do broke men want to date rich women rich women they don't yes they do I beg to differ my ex was a I beg to differ I'm sure I'm sure you have a few examples I have no doubt
05:13:03
Jakeabout that but for the most part men don't really care and if you're a broke man who's going for a rich woman like just it's his bum Behavior but men and women are different we have different sort of like interests so I'm going to
05:13:14
Jakehave uh I'm going to really value the Chastity of a woman whereas women might value that and if they value that so much that they can't look past it then I fully agree with your with your standards as well if you're a woman who has a very low body count and you say I
05:13:27
Jakedon't want a man who has a high body count then absolutely each their own yeah each to their their own but I do think that they value different things like like Brian just said women value men with resources we don't particularly care about that women value height
05:13:40
Jakestrength competence capability all of these sort of things we don't really care about that one of the things we really do care about though is Chastity is to know that where somewhat exclusively I've I've I've had your body and not too many other people I would
05:13:53
Angelaalso say that although men can desire Chastity in a woman it's very rare for a woman who does value chassity with a low body count or a virgin to ever give those men attention and that's why they tend to build resentment against the women that they can have because they
05:14:05
Angelawant that quote unquote virgin but they can't have her because she already sees through what his intentions are meanwhile they aim for the girls who lack standards or can't see through their games and they'll play with them
05:14:16
Ravenand then they'll hurt them because they basically they don't respect them essentially and that's also symptomatic of how they're not masculine I think it also shows like a level of like
05:14:29
Ravenimmaturity and just like irresponsibility ility for like because sex for a woman is very different for like for sex with a for a man um in the sense that we can have kids right that's
05:14:41
Ravena big thing um you know not to mention all the other things that I mean men can also have but I mean I think that's just extremely irresponsible but I would say when it comes to Chastity I would say that the reason that both sexes value
05:14:53
AngelaChastity is for the same reason women don't want a man to be looking at another woman that's sexually provocative and thinking oh well you know let me just lack discipline and go after her and vice versa men don't want a woman who's going to be emotionally LED astray by a man and then give him
05:15:06
Angelasex all be in the attempt of getting him to like her or in an attempt to basically say oh you've flared up these emotions in me that means and now I have to give you sex or whatever I agree yeah so for those of
05:15:19
Brian Atlasyou actually we we'll just go around the table on this uh body count does not matter what's your body count starting with zomri can I ask a
05:15:29
Ravenclarifying question first sure is that like do you mean like penetrative sex or like foreplay or anything like that penetration I would say penetrative
05:15:41
Angelasex too but I just I like when the p goes in the v okay yeah this kissing in middle school count that's
05:15:53
Briliterally um I was dating someone for 5 Years From 17 to 22 so mine is only six okay how old are you name sorry 26
05:16:04
Arson26 I lost track honestly I don't know if I like I I I don't have a journal where I wrote down all the names so I literally have absolutely no clue like if you had to give a range like an
05:16:14
Arsonestimate like I I literally don't know I have no clue if it would be like 30 100 or over that like I have no clue well do you think it's over 100 I possibly I'd
05:16:27
Arsonhave to like do hella math I was dating someone for 4 years but from like 15 to 19 like I don't know there was like at one point where I was on Tinder and I was doing it like every week there was one time I did it twice in one day with
05:16:40
Arsontwo different guys so I don't know like when I was younger I was out here but yeah I don't know completely switch that out but like I I have no clue what that number
05:16:50
Arsonis really okay so no sense of a range liter it could literally be to anywhere between 30 30 to like 200 or like somewhere
05:17:02
Brian Atlasaround Big Range I stopped writing it down after 15 wait into the mic if you can but okay stopped writing down after 15 so okay anywhere from 30 to 200 that's crazy oh
05:17:14
Brian AtlasI I did I missed the numbers that is a huge range but yo if you're going to talk please do it in the mic go ahead what about you uh I I valued the body count I thought it was valid for the men to do it yeah I mean just since we're going around the table care to share the
05:17:26
Arsonoh sure one oh okay cool like 30 like 30 yeah okay mine's four four like nine I thought you did a whole
05:17:38
Productionbasketball team no I didn't yo it's C her friend her friend you got to put Chris Rock seven dick K I said I did two and then she did three multiply by three and
05:17:49
Brian Atlas[Laughter] that's okay uh what about what about you let me see
05:18:04
Brian Atlasmaybe about eight about eight okay what about you I don't feel comfortable saying mine oh come on you said earlier that uh you
05:18:14
Brian Atlasknow you do matter might I don't want it to be up there nobody watches this podcast 30 200 my ex is going to watch this no nobody watches this podcast oh your ex it's your ex already know I know
05:18:27
Brian Atlasbut he doesn't want it out there he doesn't want why but he's your ex why does he he doesn't have a say on what's out there are you still [ __ ] him yes okay wait do you want to give a
05:18:40
Productionrange how about that is that more fair just say under something it's around Kayla's twins is multiply it by three and that's
05:18:50
Raventhe real number car no um I do value it but mine's five okay um what what was the question that we do value it or Oh no just no what's your body's your body
05:19:01
Ravenuh I am a mythical virgin a what the myg you know like the Unicorn I'm the Unicorn mm like born again virgin no so are you actually a virgin or like I've never had
05:19:14
Ravenpenetrative sex oh period like period perod that for you hly is that cat no I TR I TR her first boyfriend was from Xbox Live I believe her that's
05:19:28
Raventrue I'm absolutely I'm absolutely Terri ified of diseases okay and um phobia and so even though I messed around I literally like that was like a big role
05:19:40
Angelafor me yeah yeah okay well I'll come back to that really quick but Angelica what about you um closer to the mic please about like 14,575 I'm just kidding I'm just kidding
05:19:52
Brian AtlasI can count it on one hand okay everybody already knows good okay wait so going back to you though Raven you said you're a former of model you used
05:20:00
Brian Atlasto strip you said you were a uh you uh you mentioned you had three oo days three what you in your pre-show messages
05:20:10
Angelato us you said you had three days I had H days H days oh my God stop and that ended girl you did that she probably just kissing a boy in a
05:20:21
Brian Atlastree on wait what no you said that that ended in 20120 but you you and I when I when we asked for clarification for what you meant by ho day is you said that as
05:20:32
Ravendays of being promiscuous yeah what's your idea of promiscuous oh I mean just like I don't know like you're like hanging out I used to just I used to go
05:20:41
Ravento parties and just like did you give hand jobs a lot I don't does no were you I don't like I I have a thing with hands
05:20:52
RavenI like germs I don't like touching hand J like a posh wank we call it with a condom umj count what's the BJ count um I was more so into like watching and then if
05:21:04
Ravenguys would ask to like do stuff to me and if I was into it I would like do that like uh I had a lot of guys that were like in feat so they would ask to like massage my feet and like suck my toes and like that's probably worse
05:21:14
Ravendidn't no but I've had like I've had like other stuff um I feel like this is the equivalent of being like I used to be a gangster and just snorting Smarties is that really like people used
05:21:27
Brian Atlasto do that wait hold on but hold on okay so in your pre-show notes here you said and I'll I'll just read what you wrote you said when I was 16 I started selling feet picss and gaining a following online that too okay you said you're
05:21:40
Brian Atlasgoing on omeg Le to kind of experiment with doing I don't know how to [ __ ] pronounce that [ __ ] you got yeah I'm the [ __ ] Boomer dude you said you started going to uh you uh doing things on
05:21:52
Brian Atlascamera as soon as you turned 18 you started going to sex parties and got targeted by I don't think I want to talk about the whole but how do you like go to a I mean I you
05:22:05
Brian Atlascould go to a sex party and not do anything but it's like kind of like makes me raise an eyebrow like you claiming to be a virgin but like in your pre-show notes you said you had ho days
05:22:16
Arsonyou said you're promiscuous you said you went to sex parties no I never did that either no I never did that either so you you lied in your survey what no I'm confused you never did what I oh oh the
05:22:28
Ravenperson just put up a somebody up a comment I was like I didn't do that we're paying attention to what Bri is talking to us address I'm so sorry I'm sorry no you're
05:22:40
Brian Atlasyou're good I'm sorry you you can stop apologizing but please continue with the conversation yeah what was the question how do I maintain it how how are you still a virgin when you're
05:22:52
Arsonhaving all of these different experiences okay wait on a real note lesie and I do have to drive five or 6 hours to the mountains so we do have to leave
05:23:02
Ravenokay um so yeah the ho phase was like a foot ho phase it was honestly more for attention um if I okay so again lesbian like former
05:23:14
Ravenlesbian being being former lesbian like you know used to like you know how that works I see what you mean um and if like
05:23:23
Arsonoh so the scissors Jake I never diseases Jake Jake my friend's getting a little jelly over oh my God you get some attention out you man alone
05:23:35
Meowit's okay next conversation sorry so because you've never had penetrative sex that's why you consider yourself still a virgin then is because you even though you've been around these things well that's like the definition of a virgin though I would consider what I did like
05:23:46
Meowas foreplay I follow I that's that's that's exactly you would you would be the one that's like into BDSM or something he yeah period what BDSM well that's a big
05:23:57
Meowthat's a big like like a part of like people Mis misunderstanding me and like what I am about what what is BDSM
05:24:07
Meowuh bondage submission dominance massm sadism it's all it's it's Pinky sex whatever but it doesn't have to be sexual it's all about it's all about power play but that's the that's what people will assume about me they look at me and they think oh okay she's kinky
05:24:19
Meowokay this is what you know you want to assume in reality it's like I literally just like want to play fetch like I'm not I don't want you to like abuse me like I I just want to play fetch dude like this is literally the freakiest girl that I've ever met that hasn't had
05:24:31
Jakesex like that's wild to me yeah that's a that's a wild I was just very curious when I looked at you when I first came in I was thinking Chet girl you know someone
05:24:41
Jakewho's like got a cute shirt on with like Good Vibes it says yeah I didn't I didn't know this was going to come out normally I'm I'm a good judge of character when it comes to little freaks
05:24:51
Brian Atlasbut that's why you even these shy girls you got to be careful I'm not shy I'm not shy I just haven't had much chance to talk that's no but like even these kind of like
05:25:02
Raventhese girls you think oh she's probably oh my gosh I used to literally look like her did that I used to look like her I've been toning down because like I want to find a husband right because you did say at the
05:25:13
Brian Atlastime at the time I was a raging feminist with friends and family encour you said you're raging feminist friends family encouraging you to live that type of life after your baptism you Chang
05:25:25
Brian Atlasdrastically I used to have split D hair what did you so when you were raging feminist what did you used to think think of men like what being a raging feminist and all oh my gosh what denomination are you what did you
05:25:36
Ravenconvert to oh my God thank you for derailing my question appreciate it yeah um what was like how was I as a yeah no I hated men and that's kind of like how
05:25:46
RavenI was raised like men are disgusting men are evil men are always like the perpetrators yeah glad you found your way out of that
05:25:56
Ravenone thank you oh my gosh so um I have I have a lot of crazy stories but like my family um so my um my aunt was like kind of like as soon as I was born she was kind of like I want to like latch on to
05:26:10
Ravenyou you are like my child and she tried to just like push all this stuff into me she probably worships Lucifer hereditary she literally she's a professional protester mhm and she tried to get me in on that she's been touched by Lucifer
05:26:22
Ravenyeah and I'm like I'm like I love you but you know that's been a really hard thing honestly that was more like recent like I kind of had to be like okay like I'm not talking anymore but it was like a lot of like like just like I feel like
05:26:33
Ravenindoctrination um the other family members they actually like like after Biden they like all of us really jump ship after Biden let's go yeah yeah we
05:26:44
Ravensaw huh you guys are Mago um I wouldn't say we're like oh my gosh like at the rallies over here it's F I wouldn't say I'm like at the rallies like going crazy I mean I have thought about it but I'm
05:26:57
RavenI'm not like crazy but I'm like I just like Republican party just put rwam you like ramaswami I like ramaswami yeah me
05:27:07
Raventoo I like ramaswami oh so I actually um the church I went to was LDS oh that I know I know I actually just left you wait so what denomination are you now I don't no like I I'm My Own Thing
05:27:18
AngelaOrthodoxy I love Orthodoxy I have no idea I don't really like organized religion I think bro I hand I would say I would say just out of a fly out of
05:27:29
Angelacuriosity TR and Orthodox Church I think it'll have all of the answers that LDS like Jewish no no Orthodox Christian yeah it's like that'll have all of the answers that a
05:27:41
Angelalot of the what I would call heretical branches don't have definitely yeah I don't know I was J's witness I had a lot of severe like issues with religion because of the heresies that they had and I pushed against all religion all so
05:27:54
Angelasee you being a Jehovah's Witness you like fit the mold so well I could see you knocking on my door enemies but yeah it's like um I had a bunch of issues with religion Authority
05:28:06
AngelaI had all of the different predictable outcomes and all of that jazz when I found Catholicism and then that branched me to Orthodoxy it answered all of the heretical questions that the Joe was winess say got wrong and it gave me that
05:28:18
Angelalevel of inner peace that a lot of religious people talk about and I think organized religion is the only way to go about religion hence the term religion it's like you can't be esoteric in your approach to spirituality cuz that's when you start to depend on your own
05:28:29
Angelaunderstanding and be Away by all of these different high energy High spiritual feelings that'll then Lead You Down paths that you might not understand the consequences of when you're in an organized Church organized religion there's an authority present they can
05:28:42
Brian Atlasguide you in ways that you might not be aware of and lead you to better behaviors see my issue is that like everybody claims to be the true church like the one true church moving on on the earth okay uh so I want to try to
05:28:53
Brian Atlasreel in Karm and no offense guys I'm not trying to be rude by cutting you off but I mean I we're getting into like
05:29:01
Brian Atlastotally off topic stuff that it's just do it go for it okay uh kmen you said hold on let me see here your suggestion
05:29:12
Brian Atlaswas and I think this was to women or maybe everybody stop being [ __ ] and hooking up with people or playing with people's feelings or trying to be trat people with child support or whatever the case may be that's to everyone
05:29:24
Brian Atlasthat's to everybody okay all right that's to both genders uh you said media has driven us to be more and more more polarized from the opposite sex gender and we all have to remember that at the end of the day we're all human and deserve to be treated as such men aren't
05:29:36
Brian AtlasATMs women aren't just walking flashlights okay I concur with that you know uh generally you said you think that a big problem is a lot of people wanting the instant gratification
05:29:48
Brian Atlaswanting the one-year anniversary not the 364 days between that commit to some someone grow with them support each other and love one another for who they are and be willing to guide and be guided in either side is always right uh did you want to add to to uh any of that
05:30:01
Brian Atlasand you also said hookup culture is the dumbest thing to exist and is the bane of all of our mental healths and moral compasses yeah I doubled down on all that okay she agrees with what she said
05:30:14
Arsonin in the pre-show notes I mean I I don't really have like too much to add like right off rip other than just like remember that at the end of the day we're all human right it's so easy to
05:30:25
Arsonget like have extreme opinions on either end of a spectrum whether it's um feminism politics or whatever like I just like think we should all be friends and like I think a big thing is wanting
05:30:37
Angelato understand another person like wanting to understand the other side rather than wanting to be polarized and wanting to be right I think that's the thing is that none of these ideas are new and this whole concept of the battle of the sexes has been really a modern
05:30:49
Angelaconcept because prior to the 20th century we worked in unison we had our complimentary roles and we respected that in society now with hookup culture and all of this Jazz it's reduced the interactions between men and women as being purely materialist and
05:31:01
Angelatransactional and Naturally Speaking we're both going to start resenting each other hating each other for the quote unquote alements or like you know vices that the opposite sex has but it's because our roles are no longer
05:31:13
Angelacomplimentary they're being on purposed by The Establishment I suppose put against each other because we're competing against each other now that's why it's like it's kind of nonsensical to say like oh well you know woman values this and a man values that and it
05:31:25
Angelashould be equal or oh there's hypocrisy there and it's like we're both inherently emphase and see why it's complimentary don't try to reduce it all down to the equ equal narrative or whatever find the balances find a way to balance not find a way to
05:31:40
Brian Atlasfight dope I think the last thing I have is for Ivory back there as she's uh coming say she ran all the way over yeah I think just the last got a new Jump Up
05:31:51
Arsonput the boys away no no no no let me say this first if anybody's in the comments saying that I'm flirting with Jake I'm absolutely not flirting with Jake I'm trying to get him to talk to my friends so what we're at the opposite ends of the table it's there's not much no
05:32:04
Arsonapparently it's because you said cuz Brian walked off um because something was said and he just got frustrated and I said I turned to her and I said he hates us just jokingly and you said I love you oh yeah she's trying to really
05:32:16
Arsonship Les and uh and Jake there I don't know yeah I'm really trying to get cuz she's over here in my ear talking about you and I'm like come on what's up I'm not talking to anyone's ear anything I
05:32:27
Brian Atlassay I will say it to you Jake is it is it issue that she's currently involved in a like semi complicated sexual relationship with her ex-boyfriend who
05:32:37
Angelashe still has feelings for who is who you that's ended right now no comment wow I thought I thought there was something no I didn't I didn't
05:32:48
Brian Atlasknow about him no me and my ex are in all F when's the last time you guys when's the last time you guys had sex whenever we broke up [ __ ] months ago Oh I thought you were still like
05:33:01
Brian Atlasthat's not me you're talking about one of these other girls no I'm pretty nope that's definitely her is still sleeping with her eyes well you said you were in a situationship SL that's a different
05:33:12
Arsonperson so you're in a situationship now no that's what honestly I don't know she's trying to she's trying to squirm like wiggle out of this we're on no contact right now that's why I was saying like we're having some issues
05:33:24
Brian Atlaswhen's rebound when's the no no you can be first runner up don't worry Jesus okay when when is the last time that you've had sexual
05:33:35
Angelaintercourse I don't know yesterday no that's a yesterday face it's actually been a couple weeks okay all right okay I don't in all fairness you walking off or the temperament that you've shown is
05:33:47
Angelajust funny it's humorous it's light it's not to be taken too seriously oh no yeah no it was funny I just um oh I didn't even take it that way no no no I just uh totally oblivious to what's been
05:33:58
Brian Atlashappening I'm confused okay here's Les Les wants to have p and the V sexual intercourse with you after the show Jade
05:34:08
JakeI what what it's not my style but uh oh you prefer I'm looking for something a little bit more special on long term you I appreciate attention is it that's why
05:34:18
JakeI stick to anal sex there's no poophole loophole with me who okay all right Jes okay not my
05:34:27
ArsonStyles okay an sex is uh gay based including with women wait what
05:34:35
Arsondis if you're sticking your dick in in a poople loophole gaslighting this is gas you are literally wanting your that
05:34:46
Angelais the most feing for that that's the most the most arur thing I've ever [ __ ] what if just wants to feel submissive and breedable this is this is why you have an epidemic of men thinking
05:34:58
Angelathat they're women CU men treat them the same now it's like oh if you have a poophole you're no different than a woman and it's like such a [ __ ] stretch bro that is the biggest [ __ ] stretch ever Andre T
05:35:09
Angelais over there trying to like rationalize to men why it is not gay to have sex with a a man that looks like Megan F you have sex so many women and you only treat them as sexual say I think you
05:35:20
Angelahave to take that with a pin of salt though I think he he's being I mean he visited Thailand and then afterwards he was like oh you know lady boys aren't that bad after all that is totally
05:35:30
Angelaunrelated it's you're saying it's gay to have like to [ __ ] a woman in the ass in the butt yeah it's a slippery slope to basically saying there's nothing if I can't get a girl if I can't get a girl
05:35:42
Arsonon Tuesday maybe I can get a guy so if a woman so if a woman eats a man's ass does that make him gay that's disgusting that might be a little you're gay that is gay anything that has to do with that
05:35:55
Skyarea I don't think it's not I don't think so because you're you're that's where you get pleasure as like a guy stay the hell
05:36:05
Brian Atlasaway no no no gr's quiet of I don't think so y'all y'all don't y'all don't know wait we're talking about a guy wanting to have like [ __ ] a girl in the ass
05:36:18
Arsonwe're not talking about receptive anal sex if he ever asks me to [ __ ] me in the ass I would personally tell him go find a man do that with Haram Haram
05:36:30
Brian Atlasany wait how is buta cos signs apparently it's it's gay to want to have anal sex with like a woman I'm confused so true cuz you still want that part why
05:36:40
Jakewhy you want that hole you have a whole other one yeah ex but like natural what is so interesting about can I say I don't want to paint too much of a vivid picture in people's mind there is a big
05:36:52
Jakebig difference between the bum hole of a woman and the bum hole of a man how do you know is it because it's tighter yes they're hair disgusting okay you don't want to see it's just I wouldn't wish it up upon my
05:37:04
Angelaworst enemy I wouldn't wish it up upon my worst enemy women have hair too you know no women are beautiful and women don't po that's the that's the difference no I mean that's that's why twinks get their butt quack that's why
05:37:16
Jaketwinks get their Buck bleached it's like they're trying to everyone knows that women are only allowed to P in their wait wait wait I want to ask the chat I want to ask the chat chat is it is it gay to [ __ ] a woman gay to want to [ __ ]
05:37:27
Brian Atlasa woman in the ass one in the chat if it's gay two in the chat if it's not what if how could it conceivably how what is that comment that comment says Brian took a finger is
05:37:40
Angelathis one of those objective questions or is this abely answer question the chat you need is speaking at the moment oh sorry Nemesis come on
05:37:51
Angelawhat's one and what's two Nemesis don't spam yeah one and two two is no two is pretty divided it it's mostly two two is not gay most way of emotionally coping
05:38:04
Skywith reality way trying to process your bad decision they're trying to protect their masculinity right now wait hold they're
05:38:13
Brian Atlaslike wait so hold on if men have mouths too if I receive oral sex if I receive oral sex from a woman does that make is that gay it aru it's it's been argued in
05:38:26
Angelathe past that that's seen as a homosexual act cuz you're denigrating the raditional procreative act between a man and a woman so it's like if you're only going to be using a woman or denigrating a woman for her oric is a little faulty but then it's like you're basically going to be a sexual
05:38:39
Jakedegenerate but like but like that's a very extreme argument though no exactly like I don't sorry so but like oral sex is is very different though to like vaginal sex and
05:38:50
Jakethere's also the argument that under the union of man and woman in marriage sex is an is an instrument of pleasure and it can be an instrument of pleasure so it doesn't necessarily have to be for in in the Song of Solomon in the Bible
05:39:02
Angelait references a poem where basically it says that the woman is enjoying the fruits of a man's loins basically where it's like it references oral basically so it's like it's been argued where it's like is it something that's like
05:39:13
Angeladegenerate or is it not something that's degenerate that being said there is argument for it and if you're a sexual degenerate there's not going to be an end to how far you'll spir would you like to rape the fruits of my loin this
05:39:26
Brian Atlaslike so you're I mean it seems like you're making an argument about sodomy right so here's the thing uh it's just like so you're saying okay
05:39:37
Brian Atlasso first we need to Define our terms so gay gay means homosexual happy two two men two men if you're if you're making
05:39:47
Brian Atlasthe argument that the sexual act between an a man and a woman is gay like it just logically does not compute because there needs to be two men there needs to be
05:39:59
Angelatwo in the way in the way that modern logic Works yes you have a point but gay never meant homosexual it meant being happy homosexual is also a new term it's always been sodomy to be a sodomite so
05:40:11
Brian Atlasin order to go up someone's butthole yeah there's no difference between that and a man and a woman it's not defined by that okay but so you're you're saying that the term the the term gay that you're using means like you're using it
05:40:22
Angelain the joyful that's always well that's flambo always been the term of it that's what I'm saying I'm trying to break it down Lally so bad faith it's not bad faith at all actually quite like
05:40:35
Brian Atlasacademic it's here's why it's bad faith because do you think when people are talking about the world the word gay do you think that like for most people they're referring to homosexuality when you think of straight sex do you think
05:40:47
Brian Atlasof penet between men and women answer the question answer the question yes what was the question I'm sorry okay in like for the vast majority of people in 20 perhaps in I don't know when it they
05:40:58
Brian Atlasmade the switch when with the word gay mhm in 2024 when people use the word gay you're are you arguing that they're more likely to think that that's a a a fill
05:41:09
Brian Atlasin for happy or flamboyant or whatever as compared to a descriptive term for homosexuality yeah the latter as opposed to so why are you arguing from like a definition that is not current and not
05:41:21
Angelamodern because we're arguing the Act and the ACT hasn't been defined the act of sodomy is not defined by between two gay men it's defined by going up someone's butt and going up someone's butt has always been seen as something done
05:41:33
Brian Atlasbetween men we're getting into a really logical conversation right now so okay if I'm willing to concede that technically it's sodomy but it's not clear so is
05:41:42
Brian Atlaseverything that is sodomy is that always gay I mean pretty much everything sodomy is it makes you a sodomite though it's different like it do gay here so if we
05:41:54
Brian Atlaswere if we were to Google the def definition of sodomy and then gay or homosexual you're are you arguing that we would find that
05:42:04
Arsonanal making I I want to come back to what you said earlier you were about to Define um straight sex so what is straight sex to you vagina and
05:42:15
Angelapenis okay so if a trans woman had a vagina surgically that's a mutilated penis it's gay still gay it's literally a mutilated penis that's not a vagina a vagina has a wound to it uterus eggs so
05:42:27
Brian Atlashere's here's the definition of me sexual intercourse involving anal or oral culation so if if this is the definition you're using then is your position that a man
05:42:40
Angelareceiving oral sex from a woman is that is a gay that's homosexual Behavior I mean I have teased that before and I'm like it is a little gay I mean it's not necessarily as gay as anal but it is a
05:42:51
Brian Atlaslittle gay show The Well you say okay but in order for something it's the the logic doesn't follow in order for something to be gay or
05:43:02
Angelahomosexual homosexual means with the same sex but having anal sex is very very close to just being like sexually like there still a female I think you're you're using
05:43:14
Jakeyou're using the the term quite Loosely you're saying it's gay like you're saying it like a throwaway term whereas you're honing in on the actual meaning of it it's not a homosexual thing to do because it's with a woman the angles are different it's like you want to specify
05:43:27
Angelait's not a man and I'm spef in it's not a man but it could be a man later on if it's the same sex act but it's not a man something a closeted gay man would do it's something that's like a pipeline basically it's like it's in itself like
05:43:39
Angelaif a woman's like oh a guy super into anal sex other women with my might be going in that direction see that my barn door I'm not stingy with
05:43:48
Brian Atlasit what the okay all right yeah it's time for us to go hold on wait we're not we're we're almost wrapped up just hang tight for just a sec guys okay they ran
05:44:00
Brian Atlasso it's not g hang TI for a sec no shall we go around the panel no we're we're going to move on but um okay that was I like your your all right um so I think
05:44:12
Brian Atlasthe last thing with oh with Ivory can you scoot your mic uh to the edge of the table please uh Ivory one of the things and I left this for the end here uh you actually you're scaring me no it's just
05:44:24
Brian Atlasso you said we asked you is there anything like you disagree with about the show or the host and you wrote I forgot what I said oh my God why do you keep dragging on the negative energy it's annoying crying Emoji like just say okay I'll do better and move on or
05:44:37
Arsonrespectfully just say your opinion and no it's just an opinion stop getting so pressed oh a lot of that happened today like when we were going back and forth and back and forth and back and forth like it's just like just say okay like you have your opinion they have their opinion why are you trying to prove each
05:44:51
Brian Atlasother's opinions to each other I mean that's kind of like the point that's kind of the point of like a debate is to understand I'm not just going to like immediately just accept your world viiew I'm going to try to like push back like
05:45:02
Brian Atlasto an extent you know what I mean to an extent I thought this was like related to uh something else but okay I mean we're not going to go there um any any
05:45:13
Arsonfinal thoughts from anybody before we wrap up the show can I ask a question sure um I just want to kind of ask people like starting with you and