TRIGGERED Demonic Blood Witch E-Girl Puts A CURSE On The Podcast?! | Dating Talk #133
Date: 2024-02-05
Duration: 6h 24m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS(audience)
SPEAKER_01Production(audience)
SPEAKER_02Ariana/Jules/Carmen(guest)
SPEAKER_03Sky(guest)
SPEAKER_04Arson(guest)
SPEAKER_05Kayla(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Jake(guest)
SPEAKER_08Meow(guest)
SPEAKER_09Kiki(audience)
SPEAKER_10Angela(guest)
SPEAKER_12Raven(guest)
SPEAKER_13Bri(guest)
Key Moments
00:02:41
IntroArson introduces herself; reveals her government name is actually Arson and she makes portable flamethrowers.
“my name's arson um I'm 24 is that your government name that's my government name”
00:03:58
IntroMeow introduces herself as a dog (purple Dalmatian) who lives the dog-girl lifestyle full-time.
“my name is meow like a cat but I am a dog and I'm 27 I'm from the USA and I'm a twitch live streamer”
01:39:34
Key MomentArson describes 4-year relationship with a videographer whose leg was amputated and put on backwards to function as a new knee joint.
“it was like left amputated and like put on backwards and then like the foot joint now acts as a knee joint”
01:40:20
ControversyArson recounts sex injury that sent her to the ER: used kitchen knife for blood-play on second meeting, deep laceration required ER visit, which is how they fell in love.
“we used a freaking kitchen knife and it was so dull and tried to do like a tiny cut and it wouldn't work and I just grabbed my leg and he just went once really fast”
02:03:02
Key MomentJake Australia arrives to the show, having driven through flooding rainstorms.
“good evening everybody good evening nice to meet you how you all doing Jake we're going to be leg to leg here”
02:06:00
Key MomentArson shows she is wearing diapers on-show; reveals her current boyfriend gave her a perineal tear from sex that required diapers and lidocaine jelly for a week.
“I had to wear diapers for a week and why is that so I do only fans my boyfriend and I were just practicing some things”
02:33:20
ControversyBrian challenges Meow on her dog-girl identity, asking whether a traditional man could accept a dog-girl partner and whether the lifestyle is a sexual kink.
“when you say 11 do you are you thinking about it in in your eyes or are you thinking about it in like the broader Society”
02:39:00
Key MomentSelf-ratings round begins. Meow rates herself 11/10.
“well we'll start with you and then we'll go around the table go ahead 10 um maybe like a seven eight okay closer”
04:48:07
ControversyArson pulls a syringe filled with blood from her bag on-show, claiming it is a token of her manifestation from blood rituals performed the previous night.
“there was a syringe okay gosh that's what I was just drawing it up in you just did a you did this at the table no I keep it on me as a token of my manifestation”
04:52:10
Key MomentJake warns Arson about the dangers of blood rituals and occult practices, saying she is tapping into dark spiritual energy.
“I would urge you girls to be very careful with what you she us she used to take menstrual blood also yeah you guys I'm sorry you might think it's a bit of fun you're going into something that's pretty dark”
04:55:00
Key MomentAngela explains Arson's cult/witchcraft behavior as a manifestation of emotional intensity and desire for control, comparing it to historical blood goddess worship.
“what you're calling delusional is basically you being a very emotionally intense person where you want that true love”
05:12:40
Key MomentAngela argues that Arson's blood magic and cult behavior is ultimately self-harm used to gain an illusion of control.
“drawing your own blood is a form of self harm so it's like you're ultimately hurting yourself to gain control over a situation”
05:15:40
Key MomentBody count round: Bri reveals body count of 6 (was dating from age 17-22).
“literally um I was dating someone for 5 Years From 17 to 22 so mine is only six”
05:16:10
Key MomentBody count round: Arson says she lost count and estimates somewhere between 30 and 200+.
“I lost track honestly I don't know I literally have absolutely no clue if it would be like 30 100 or over that like I have no clue”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Introductions and relationship status
Guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Brian goes around the table on relationship status, demisexuality, femcel identity.
00:15:00
Alternative / subculture dating struggles
Discussion on dating within the alt/e-girl subculture. Arson describes herself as femcel. Meow discusses dog-girl lifestyle and voluntary celibacy. Panel discusses whether alt aesthetic attracts or repels healthy partners.
01:38:20
Arson's relationship history and ER incidents
Arson details 4-year relationship with videographer who became addicted to Percs and had leg amputated and reversed. ER visit from blood-play injury during their second meeting. Hooked via trauma bond.
01:55:00
Mental health, diagnosis, and medication
Raven shares she was told at 16 she would be institutionalized for life; recovered after moving out at 18. Debate on legitimacy of bipolar/BPD diagnoses. Arson acknowledges bipolar-like symptoms and credits them as creative fuel.
02:03:02
Jake Australia arrives and joins panel
Jake (Rattlesnake TV) arrives after driving through flooding storm. Brian introduces him; Jake joins the table.
02:04:14
Ivory (Ariana) pre-show notes discussion
Brian goes through Ariana's pre-show notes: exotic dancer + OnlyFans, perineal tear from sexual encounter requiring diapers for a week, basketball team history at University of Portland, ex who still requests $40 via Venmo, leaning Trump.
02:11:40
Men as demons / toxic relationship patterns
Arson describes modern dating as a scam and men as demons. Angela and Brian note pattern of Arson attracting emotionally unavailable men due to her own unresolved emotional needs.
02:21:40
Meow's dog-girl lifestyle debate
Extended discussion of Meow's dog-girl identity. Jake questions whether it is a sexual kink; Meow denies it. Angela raises cognitive dissonance between wanting a traditional man and presenting as a dog. Brian asks what breed Meow is (lavender Dalmatian).
02:27:20
Feminist and political identity round
Brian asks each guest: are you a feminist? Political leaning? Responses range from feminist/liberal (Meow) to anti-feminist/monarchy (Angela) to apolitical. Arson declines feminist label and is apolitical.
02:39:00
Physical attractiveness / self-rating round
Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10. Meow rates herself 11, Bri rates 10, Arson 10, Sky 7, Raven 4, Jake 7, Brian 5. Debate on whether self-ratings are objective.
04:48:00
Arson's cult and blood rituals
Arson reveals she leads a group of like-minded women she calls a cult, focused on world liberation and domination. Monthly Airbnb meetings with spell-casting and blood pacts. Pulled a syringe from her bag on-show as a token of manifestation. Jake warns against occult practices. Angela offers psychological analysis.
05:08:20
Body count and mate value debate
Extended panel debate on whether body count affects women's value as a partner. Jake and Angela argue Chastity is a male value preference. Brian argues it is not hypocritical to desire in a partner what you don't possess.
05:15:00
Body count round
Brian goes around table asking body counts. Bri: 6. Arson/Arson-label: 30-200+ (lost count). Sky: ~9. Raven: undisclosed. Angela: undisclosed. Jake: 4. Lesie: 4. Ariana: ~30. Others declined or gave ranges.
06:18:20
Kayla's before/after style transformation
Brian shows before/after photos of Kayla from when she was homeless and kicked out vs. her current alt style. Discussion on how freedom from restrictive home led to her aesthetic expression.
Transcript
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01:53:48
Arsonthat's like everywhere but us like but just like I don't know I feel like a lot of girlies that do have like you know BPD and stuff like that you have to be able to be okay with us and like a lot of those men aren't like you know what I
01:54:02
Angelame do you think this is the only country with BPD well no like I would say like I've been the therapist and they've tried telling me that I have like everything under the sun and I'm just kind of like I reject
01:54:14
Angelaall of that all I needed was Jesus but whatever I say that although I understand you mean when it comes to like men reject you because of X Y or Z I would also say that you're also playing a part in that by rejecting them as well I think that if you're not ready
01:54:27
Angelafor that relationship if you're not ready to move forward and say there's some issues with me that I need to address and I want to work with you then naturally the relationship isn't going to take hold but it's like you're pushing them away they men any none of
01:54:39
Arsonthe men that I have talked to like a relationship isn't even if I were to ask like what are we oh if I were to ask like what are we that would literally like be the most stupid question like they've ever heard you know men are sure
01:54:51
Ravenabout they make it very well known from the start yeah yeah yeah that's true can I touch on the mental health thing I was told at 16 that I would never be able to live a normal life that I was going to
01:55:03
Ravenbe institutionalized for the rest of my life because I was so crazy the state of being a woman literally here I am um you know they literally said like you know like don't
01:55:14
Ravenmake plans for her you know really yeah the doctors told that to my family like they said she is not getting out of the hospital like 18 bye you know uh you need to plan for that and I as soon as I
01:55:26
Ravengot out of my household I moved out the day I turned 18 I was absolutely fine and I went and worked on myself so you can say you have a million disorders it's only as true as you make it to be
01:55:38
Ravenand I was on so much I was on so much medication and then I'm on no medication now they told me oh it's a chemical imbalance you like you need this to live like no I didn't I needed it for a time
01:55:50
Arsonbut I don't need it totally and I think you're absolutely limiting yourself by putting I I like it my mental illness now like it I think it makes me more it
01:56:00
Arsonmakes me more creative I feel like I can spark it's glamorizing mental illness I I don't know didn't you say that you weren't actually diagnosed I'm diagnosed
01:56:10
Ravenbipolar but you claim BPD well I'm pretty sure I have like all the criteria you know I've been I've been diagnosed bipolar five times and I have absolutely none of criteria so I I don't even think
01:56:22
Raventhat's like a very valid like especially you know even diagnosed I don't think that's very valid my friend was also diagnosed bipolar for like her whole life was on the medication and then like
01:56:34
Arsonnow she's borderline yeah exactly that's what I'm saying like these therapists literally can misdiagnose you all the time I'm just like for me but it's limiting yeah
01:56:44
Brian Atlasyeah so uh you said women are superior to Men I'm looking for an explanation of that how in what ways are women Superior just cuz I don't know like I
01:56:55
Arsonthink I just see so much like like evil like behaviors going on in men that like like when you look at a when you look at a women when they walk in the room
01:57:06
Meowfeminine energy lights up the room you know what I mean and like yeah or you feel instantly insecure because every other girl is judging you like what this that's a crazy genu question no it depends what scene you're in and what
01:57:18
Arsonenvironment you're in you know if you don't the demons and get out of hell typically if you're emotionally vulnerable the way you are where you're that emotionally giving you're going to
01:57:26
Arsonbe around do you consider yourself open-minded just um yes and no no I I'm open-minded to kind of the freaks of the world but not open-minded to people I
01:57:38
Arsondon't think are not open-minded to me are you it seems like it seems like your whole conversation for like the past hour has been very close-minded yeah no okay well let's let's okay so I'm a
01:57:51
Brian Atlaslittle confused because you consider yourself a feminist but you say women are superior I mean my the most generous sense my most generous definition of
01:57:59
Brian Atlasfeminism is a a uh equal equality movement but you say women are superior so that's more like Female Supremacy not
01:58:08
Brian Atlasexactly feminism so are you a female supremacist um I guess so in a way okay well she's honest I guess it it depends
01:58:19
Arsonwho I'm like talking question are women Superior to men when it comes to physical strength um it depends on the man if he's tiny man that's like generally
01:58:31
Brian Atlasspeaking no just for her this is a question for generally speaking biologically are women Superior to men in physical strength generally speaking I want to say it depends that's liter that's my opinion it depends no generally no I know yes so I'll give you
01:58:43
Arsonthis there are there are some women who are stronger than some men but generally speaking a lot of the guys I talk to are literally like 120 lbs so like I don't know they don't look like that strong okay do you think that you're stronger than any man in this room you can't
01:58:56
Arsongroup the men that you talk to into a whole no they're not stronger maybe what they're not stronger you're not but no the women aren't stronger women aren't stronger so you think that you can take on any man in this room I just said
01:59:08
Brian Atlaswomen aren't stronger Oh I thought you said are okay did you hear R okay okay that was just curious all right all right um last thing there's more notes for you but I'm going to try to reel in some other people in the com
01:59:20
Brian Atlasthe last thing you talk tell us about your cult is you say modern dating is a scam men are demons femin feminine energy runs the world you've transcended dating and you're in a cult focused on
01:59:32
Brian Atlasworld Liberation domination actually you know what we're going to save the cult thing but you said modern let's at least address the modern dating as a scam men are demons feminine energy runs the world
01:59:45
Arsonwhy don't you tell us about the the demon thing for oh man let me just like think about the things I've seen I've just like seen so much grimy Behavior like complete slime
01:59:56
Arsonballs where like there's a lot of slime balls out there what can you know yeah exactly like like the whole ghosting thing it's like I don't know that just I
02:00:05
Arsondon't understand how they don't have that drive to like want to like socially connect like they literally are just okay with like the so the physical wait are you saying like after you have sex
02:00:16
Arsonwith a guy he just yeah they just dip out every time the and qu qu and qu why do you keep allowing them to do that I mean I don't know it's like hard to even say cuz I've been on this like grind for
02:00:27
Arsonlike so long it's like like I'm like trying to uproot like old like memories and stuff you know but do you think the way that you open yourself up to men generally like is if a hookup do you
02:00:38
Arsonthink that that's going to attract men to have something stable with you no I don't I don't I don't I used to but there just like a lack of understanding it's like if they show you love then you
02:00:51
TTSre like you receive that love and you hope that but I feel like also a lot of men like look for that self-respect donated $200 you know what causes a misdiagnosis
02:01:01
Arsonof mental disorder drug use these e girls truth wait can I say something really quick sure go ahead okay cuz it's only been bothering me this whole time I never want to glamorize using drugs or
02:01:13
Arsonanything like that because um if you actually do research on drugs I mean I haven't done a lot but with like shrooms and like stuff like that you're supposed to wait like 6 months to a year in between doing like each dose so if you're doing them all the time you're
02:01:26
Arsonover stimulating that dopamine in your brain and then that's why you become fried yeah but I mean like also okay I don't I don't come down doing psychedelic salad that's just like that's really intense but doing drugs
02:01:38
Arsonperiod if you're doing them drugs cool totally unrelated week or even once every two weeks or even once a month or even like once every four months like it's welcome to the whatever dare you're supposed to
02:01:50
Arsonwait like I wait like a year in between doing them it depends on the person I don't know like if you if you it's not good if if if I can here's what we're going to do uh Jake has finally arrived
02:02:02
Brian Atlasum so we're going to have to do a little switching hang tie for just a sec Jake so what we're going to do um I think the easiest thing could could we have I think we're going to swap one of you are
02:02:13
Brian Atlasyou down to just get in that pullout chair over there me no you uh yeah I can can you get in that pull-up chair over there I'm gonna have you two scoot down and then Jake is gonna take this seat uh
02:02:26
Brian Atlaswe're doing a little switch up guys doing a little Switcheroo Jake has arrived he's he's uh what's it called he he made it through
02:02:36
Brian Atlasthe treacherous rainstorms and the flooding the flooding of was it flooding I'm sorry are you wearing socks there Wasing good evening everybody good
02:02:49
Ravenevening nice to meet you how you all doing Jake we're going to be leg to leg here it's it's a big it's a big panel today dreams come true big panel right here is that okay can I hold it in my lap can I hold in my lap yeah yeah
02:03:01
Jakethat's totally I think this okay guys we have Jake here Jake why don't you introduce yourself name age occupation so Jake
02:03:10
Jakerattlesnake TV YouTuber and 28 years old all right welcome welcome uh where do you live I don't live anywhere wherever I lay my hat's my home at the moment in
02:03:22
JakeMexico for the minute in Santa Barbara for three nights and then we'll see sweet welcome welcome so were you you were listening to the stream while you were driving correct I was I was I
02:03:32
Jakewas taking mental notes so raise your hand if you are a um demisexual yeah I didn't even know what that word was until today I didn't even know what is that can someone explain it to me what is that when you will like
02:03:45
Brionly have sex with someone when you have like an emotional mental bond with them it's when noral like a genuine don't to be you just like don't hook up with people basically yeah is it a preference like like that's your main preference
02:03:56
Brian Atlaslike you're not attracted to people's skin at all like people's looks and stuff no not okay raise your hand if you're a fem cell man repellent isn't it these two is it or no
02:04:08
Brian Atlasyou're not fem cell you're just celibate okay okay there's no such thing as F no such thing as femel yeah um what else was my notes someone's a dog you you're a dog I am and who is saying that they
02:04:22
Brian Atlaswant a Christian Monch oh what sugar that is B all right all right out sweet all right so I have some more pre-show notes here we're going to switch it up we're going to go
02:04:34
Brian Atlasto uh Ivory here Ivory you're an exotic dancer and you do only fans yes I do you it is what when I ask the political question did you say liberal no I
02:04:45
Arsonsaid I used to I used to be liberal but then obviously everything that's going on that everybody knows about Biden Trump like I'm leing more toward Trump don't hate me don't hate me don't hate
02:04:53
Arsonme don't hate me but like for real for real for real but no like in between I guess now you're leaning towards Trump what you little bit tell
02:05:05
Brian Atlasme um the fact that life wasn't so shitty for me sorry was I supposed to say that no that's a good word that's fine that's fine it really wasn't here you said it's really sad I should have never gone through what I went through in relationships with men they should
02:05:17
Brian Atlashave never been that onest disil disrespectful manipula like it's crazy why do all that's that's so extra just
02:05:26
Arsonbreak up why do all that that why do all that that's so extra just break up yeah exactly like if you're going to be so extra and like hurt me in the end just don't even talk to me in the first place I hate that like it's pointless I'm
02:05:39
Arsonreally looking for somebody to be with and like grow my life with get money together get jobs do this do this move have like I'm really on that so don't waste my my time but like like she had said one of them had said earlier like
02:05:52
Brian Atlaswhen you're looking you're not going to get what you're actually looking no I wasn't looking I wasn't even looking and I have my boyfriend now now you have kind of a shared thing with her you said
02:06:02
Arsonyour current boyfriend put you in the ER and you had to wear what for a week I had to wear diapers for a week and why is that so I do only fans of my boyfriend and I were just practicing
02:06:14
Arsonsome things just to see what we could do for some content and and um he's
02:06:22
Arsonhuge and I prefer that um you prefer I prefer it large penises you prefer BLM I prefer large hey I you know what people are entitled to their preferences I like
02:06:35
Brian Atlasbig labia you like big dick it's all fair it's literally like the hugest I've ever seen in my life it's is it BBC a tri he's on some tripod white yo white guy he's a white white represent white
02:06:46
Arsontall guy is he is he with you I kind of want like dab off like my Caucasian what's up he'll be here later if you want to meet him my Caucasian I got don't know I
02:06:57
Arsonreally appreciate him because he funded this whole entire trip for me like he brought me here and made this happen that's beautiful but um anyways so I prefer large you know and so I was telling him
02:07:09
Brian Atlasto are you a size queen do you consider yourself a size queen a science queen size queen a size oh size queen it's like a girl who it very long yeah but like do you consider
02:07:20
Brian Atlasyourself size talk you've never heard has anybody here heard the term size there's even it's a woman who strongly prefers or can only date men with
02:07:31
Arsongiantes big dicks what about what about if it's a little M CH might have some answers no unfortunately that's just what I would have to be stuck with really yeah if if the mo Love Is Love
02:07:43
Brian AtlasLove Is Love and so but you in your pre-show notes you said you know you guys were going at it okay yeah anyways okay let me continue I'm so sorry but um anyways so we were just practicing and I love hard or obviously love it when it's
02:07:55
Arsonhard but um anyway so I was telling him to do the most like all the extra stuff and I didn't know he accidentally gave me a paranal tear until the next day a paranal tear is like a tear from like the entrance and then like it's it's
02:08:08
Arsonjust like that skin like the like it's not the actual you guys call that a GU we call that a like when you get bur I guess so like it just kind of like split because like cuz Okay I'm like I'm just
02:08:19
Arsontoo small and he's too big basically and it bust open but um yeah so I couldn't stop peeing my pants for like a week I had to be in diapers nice um and then you you down I had to use like lidocane
02:08:31
Arsonjelly every single day and like put Liane jelly on it every single day cuz it really really hurt I couldn't even wipe I had to dab dab good times and you told you you e despite the pain you were
02:08:43
Brian Atlastelling him to like go I didn't even feel it I did not feel it happen until the next day joke from Andrew sches do you know Andrew sches he's got a joke when you know like have you girls ever
02:08:53
Brian Atlastold a guy to go to go deeper like deeper yes I think joke you're talking about here's the thing ladies there's no more dick like there's
02:09:04
Brian Atlasno more dick to go like it just stops we can't just like bring out more dick to go credit to Andrew sches I mean Roll It Out roll out roll out an extra bit of unless you got that pelvis
02:09:16
Arsontilt like that's and everything it's just like about to finish yeah it's like deeper that's all I got sorry that's when you switch positions that's when
02:09:26
Brian Atlasyou lift up their legs then it hits a deeper angle word okay good talk um okay you said uh let's see there was this one girl you will not name names out of respect in college that I became besties
02:09:39
Brian Atlaswith a couple months after being friends with her we found out we both did did the basketball team at school so we had a threesome with one of them because we were [ __ ] them anyways was this in
02:09:49
Arsonhigh school or in college in college yeah is it D1 okay let me just clarify I was not messing with the whole basketball team I was just being dramatic I literally messed with like two of them on the basketball team over
02:09:59
Brian Atlasthe course of going to school basketball team she did the whole basketball team oh you did half EXC I did half she did the whole okay so but this was a year ago how many people are on the
02:10:11
Arsonbasketball team do you think from what about the bench listen okay first of all I did two she did the whole and together basically that's all of it do you think from I me do you think from experience
02:10:22
Arsonyou're learning how men might be taking advantage of you sometimes oh yeah no no no that was the biggest life lesson for me I don't do [ __ ] like that no more I don't like it but I was just going through like a college like oh YOLO
02:10:33
Arsonphase and thinking that it would be fun and stuff um no I didn't I'm done with that kind of basketball team good sorry I'm trying not to say [ __ ] but no you
02:10:42
Arsoncan that's fine I can say that [ __ ] yeah that's okay period that's cool uh let's yeah oh I was just going to tell a story but um about the basketball
02:10:54
Arsonteam I mean I guess any other sporting teams you've had no done the entire roster okay I did used to go to the University of Portland and there was a couple guys on that basketball team and it's a D1 athlete team this was three
02:11:06
Arsonyears ago y'all chill three three years ago so three years ago any soccer teams uhuh no okay let me finish but these basketball players were like
02:11:17
Angelaspecifically from like Saudi Arabia in like Egypt I think you and Aaron kind of have similar parallels when it comes to like not oh sorry similar parallels when it comes to not being able to quite see who's being dishonest and who's not
02:11:29
Arsonbeing dishonest no I totally understand that but I'm saying that this is wanted basetball experiences from years ago and I've definitely learned a lot from them and I don't do anything close to that kind of I definitely can tell that you're starting to notice patterns but I
02:11:42
Angelaalso think that you're developing like um a defense mechanism that's a little more on the extroverted side like what do you mean exactly can you please the way she kind of develops a defense mechanism is by kind of like staring off space talking about me though I know with you I think it's more so just kind
02:11:55
Arsonof like you're ready for someone to attack you or to shame you or you're ready for someone to put your no honestly that is honestly Trauma from my dad no yeah to only because like okay so let me clarify y'all let me clarify um
02:12:08
Arsonmy dad doesn't talk to me anymore he does not want anything to do with me because of like I'm a dancer and do only fans which is totally understandable I get that um but I've just recently started to have night nightmares like I've had nightmares this past week my
02:12:21
Brian Atlasdad being the main character telling me that okay uh Nick Nick Nick hold on what just what fing away no I know just I'm
02:12:31
Arsonnot trying to the the angle that we were trying to get back into the chair um so the only like I really don't feel that way by anybody else except that one
02:12:41
Arsonexperience that I've had with my dad and only because I value his um opinions way more than these little boys that's valid and I think what do you think might be stalling you from like meeting your
02:12:53
Angeladad's expectations to put it as delicately as possible um like I'm on my own do you think you could move back in with your parents or your dad absolutely not like I'm completely on my own like
02:13:06
Arsonmy family does not want anything to do with me so I have to figure out what I need to do for myself in order to survive and I can't be depressed and sad every day cuz it's already been a year and I literally just started developing Nightmares From it this past week like I
02:13:18
Arsonto move on it's true hey yo dream catcher might help you said your ex still had the 12,000 phone oh my God not 12,000 but 1200 so I have this I have this bum ex okay um who still lives at
02:13:30
Arsonhis mommy's house works at a gas station like to brag about working at a gas station okay sir but I brought him I bought him a brand new phone last year cuz he was using like an iPhone 8 and like my Lev language is gift G gift
02:13:41
Arsongiving so I got him the new iPhone 14 pro Max when it had just come out um yeah anyways we're broken up is that oh that's the that was last year but like we broke up like a couple months after I got him that phone and I still want that
02:13:54
Arsonback so if you're watching this to pay it he still he still requests $40 for me on Veno like how bum can you get okay all right cool uh there's another thing you wrote here but we'll
02:14:06
Brian Atlascome back to that a little later on the show who's Les this is Les oh Les okay you said you had oh God okay here we go you said you had a guy ask to send you a
02:14:18
Arsonwhat kind of video for how much he wanted me to send him a video of me you know like fisting myself how you for 12200 $112,000 you guys it went from
02:14:31
Arsonthe price he started at Price he started at was 6,000 and every time that I said no or like I can't I don't feel comfortable like all this the price would just go up go up go up eventually he actually like a couple weeks back
02:14:44
Arsonended up sending me a video of another girl and was like look look how easy it is is and sent me a video of another girl doing it but yeah so you didn't do it did you you know for $112,000 I
02:14:55
Meowshould have you no you should not have you should not have been manipulated into doing something you were uncomfortable with because somebody is holding a dollar amount over your head that's insane I $12,000
02:15:06
Arson$1,000 you know it cost it cost on average refunds they're not going to send you that [ __ ] money no matter how much they promise it um he he did send me a sum of money and did he did he refund it what was it over what do you
02:15:19
Arsonmean like did he get it bounced back into account no I kept it how much 12,000 is a lot I I did not get 12,000 I got a sum of money for other other
02:15:29
Arsonthings things he had asked for I'm just saying like in mind they might do that thank you for the 20 so what was stopping you from doing that compared to
02:15:38
Arsonthe other stuff um that I just don't sell my lower extremities like that in general like I I am on only fans but I just don't put myself out there like like that there's no there's no [ __ ]
02:15:49
Arsonpcks is what you're saying just do you do n nudity or no um yeah I I mean I post I post stuff like that's very conservative if you wanted to take it to the private chat post conservative stuff
02:16:00
Arsonon only fans Not the word for it as much as Rel as much as you can as much as you can but like if they want to take it to the private DM but it's just not something I'm posting for everyone to be
02:16:13
Arsonable to buy and see okay and the fact that he had sent me a video of another girl doing it already told me you're going to take my video and use it for another female and I do not feel
02:16:22
Brian Atlascomfortable with that I mean that's yeah okay um just typical only fans things good good times um you said tox you wanted to talk about toxic abusive relationships which we did sort of talk
02:16:34
Brian Atlasabout a little bit you said ladies know your worth the toxic [ __ ] isn't cute it's actually very degrading and you know you deserve better than that [ __ ] yeah um
02:16:45
Brian Atlasbut I've I've seen these videos of uh on Tik Tok where women will like admit to being attracted to toxic men and to toxic behaviors toxic traits no definitely did you fall into that no I
02:16:57
Arsondon't think I'm I don't really say I'm attracted to the toxicity when I fell into that toxic relationship I was not at all like expecting it to end up the way it was and now like if I start
02:17:09
Arsonseeing any other toxic relationship or something with any other man it's immediately like red flag no I'm not doing it because genuinely the toxic it takes a toll on you as a person and it
02:17:20
Arsonreally isn't cute it's it's it's deading what H marks of a toxic relationship what do you mean I'm sorry what are the what are the signs that you see of a toxic man like a man like who would like yell at you raise his voice at you um
02:17:33
Arsonsay out of just out of pocket things like call you names like I find it like even when he's mad someone who cannot control themselves when they are mad at you even though they're mad like if you're speaking to me disrespectfully while you're mad to me it is like that's
02:17:45
Brian Atlashow you're viewing me like that's what you think of me like is this your current complicated situationship no oh he treats you well very well yeah okay too well interesting it's unfamiliar
02:17:58
Arsonyeah how long did you stay with the guy who was mistreating you 5 years okay um do you think the excitement was what sort of kept you running back no I genuinely think it was
02:18:10
Arsonlike a trauma Bond like I got with him so young he was pretty much all I had known um I guess that kind of also ties into some daddy issues I might have so you think it was the excitement that
02:18:22
Arsonthat get get your emotional juices flowing I don't know it was a lot of push and pool so I I don't know if it was excitement or if it was just oh I'm like bonded like trauma bonded to him or when you have this new guy who you said treats you very well do you feel like
02:18:35
Arsonthere's something missing like some sort of exasperation that's missing on your part no it's no not not boring at all I mean I get I get board sometimes and I'll like pick
02:18:48
Arsonlike a small like little fight like just bicker with me for a second just bicker with me for a second like and then let me prove that like I'm right like let me prove my point but once that's over I'm like okay like I'm done that's cool so he sounds like he
02:19:02
Brian Atlasknows how to handle it he does yeah that's cool that's good very patient okay I'm literally sweating is anybody else here a little toasty nearly unbearable Nick could you
02:19:13
Brian Atlasjust crack the door open a little bit so we get some uh air gone uh is it okay uh yeah that's fine so I wanted to bring it to meow delin
02:19:24
Brian Atlasmeow meow you said uh you had a story about how in college like this guy asked you out and he's very gentlemanly would you like to tell us about that I'd love to
02:19:36
Meowuh I there was this moment in college where I was asked out by um this guy in theater and um I wasn't attracted to him necessarily not his fault but he had the balls to ask me out and he actually
02:19:47
Meowasked me on a date that's something that is very rare I think at least in my experience and I think like in general it feels like nobody asks on dates people want to date you they say do you want to be my girlfriend do you want to be my boyfriend not may I Court you and
02:19:59
Meowtake you on a date and I thought that was really lovely so he picks me up he takes me uh to the venue and as soon as we get there genuinely not with any kind of anxiety very just upfront he goes are
02:20:12
Meowyou interested in anybody right now and I said well at the time yes I was and he said hey I don't want get in the way of that why don't we just spend time here have some fun and then no nothing is like attached or anything and it was
02:20:25
Meowsuch a refreshing experience because it made me realize men aren't stupid men are not dumb men are not even to be expected to be operating at a lower level than I find them capable to be or that I should expect them to be because
02:20:36
Meowthis was this was an experience that I had whenever I was in college and so it was incredibly refreshing to feel as though I was seen not as a a woman at least in that moment but as a genuine equal as in a partnership somebody
02:20:48
Meowwanted a partnership with me and then I rejected it and they still paid for dinner and since I have grown older it is just more and more that I find that rejection equals anger equals like
02:21:00
Meowunsafety for me and it makes it so that I am not comfortable even putting myself in any kind of uh situation uh like that in the future you know so you're saying that you would like a gentlemanly man somebody who courts you takes you on a
02:21:12
Jakedate all of these sorts of things absolutely I'm I'm a little bit in two minds here cuz I can hear what you're saying but then I can see that you're dressed as a cat a dog call yourself a dog
02:21:24
JakeW perhaps hindering that a little bit the fact that you are so I don't deserve respect because I'm dressing like an animal well I mean I don't deserve to be treated like a person because I'm like an animal second do you think that that might be a deterrent for a man who is
02:21:37
Meowmore traditional if you're dressing like a dog uh no because I'm not out seeking anything traditional I was simply reflecting on a college experience that I had so you're not seeking that sort of person uh I I appreciate that kind of
02:21:48
Jakeperson I'm not seeking anything specifically I don't seek people I don't I'm not so when you look at a relationship are you are you looking at like a pet owner type relationship or like two dogs in in the relationship or
02:22:01
Meowwhat's what's your ideal uh a partner who loves and respects me and sees me as an equal that I am but you see yourself as an actual dog right you said you like to go play fetch I wolf yes so how does that tie
02:22:13
Meowinto your relationship like what are you looking for if you're a dog um I'm looking for um somebody to throw me a ball and then also say um oh hey I I appreciate you you know bringing in a
02:22:25
Meowfinancial you know uh amount to the situation I appreciate you having your own thoughts and theories about the world around you and not somebody who sees me as an animal I think the I think I think uh I think the issue is is is that men see uh have a difficult time
02:22:39
Meowseeing women in submissive positions without overbearing power toward them and especially that can lead into like okay you see me and a man sees me wearing a dog collar and he he's like oh I want to I want to T I want to tug on that are you wearing that color for me
02:22:51
Jakeyou saying that the dog thing isn't a sexual fantasy it's not a not in any submissive sexual fantasy it's I are you a thean no no no I think I like do you
02:23:00
Angelaidentify as like otherkin why would I do that I mean outward appearance F something that she enjoys doing the issue is that you want a man who wants a
02:23:12
Angelamore traditional Outlook in life typically this is going to welcome men who have that fetish as you already know and it's not necessarily like I I hate it when men sexualize everything but unfortunately like if they see a mentally unwell woman they're not going to think traditional relationship
02:23:25
Angelathey're going to think I'm going to be able to get quick sex and then run away before she goes crazy that's their mindset so I think that although obviously you look really cute and all of that jazz there is like as you were mentioning like a sort of cognitive
02:23:37
Meowdissonance where it's like you're portraying something that doesn't elicit the type of men that you want yeah I think there's a also not looking I I I'm not I am not actively looking I talk about how I'm voluntarily celibate uh
02:23:49
Meowand how that's something that I'm not interested in so I find the the friendships that I that like P cross my path um in a very similar way to what she was talking about where you know whenever men find out that I'm not interested in sex they don't want to be
02:24:01
Meowfriends I understand why somebody would sexualize me and then upon hey I actually don't like you like that they wouldn't want to be friends I'm just it's just annoying in the fact where it's like well shoot I'm not even I'm not even like going to open be open to
02:24:14
Jakethat in general it's just unnecessary is this a long-term thing for you yes the dog thing yes you you see you you're taking this into your relationships one day it it's been a part of my life my whole life and so do you think that this should factor in when you're thinking
02:24:27
Meowabout the kind of man that you want to be with like I saying before you haven't thought about that you just want someone to fully accept you for for the dog no I want somebody to hold me accountable for my actions and decisions that I make and if I'm putting off an image that is um
02:24:40
Meowin inappropriate then I trust that whenever my whenever my family first uh saw me doing social media I've never engaged and only fans of I've never engaged in cam work but because of the fact that I wearing animal ears there is a misconception because in the porn
02:24:53
Jakeindustry You' never you've never done any only fans no okay well that that changes a little bit because it it could actually be a phase and it's not something that's an overt sexual it's interesting that I like spe exactly I I Des not sexual Kink whenever I specify
02:25:05
Meowit's been a part of my life forever it is it is a it is a lifestyle that I live I am the kid that was at school playing wolves on the park you know what I mean on the on the playground and it does you think there'll come a time when that has
02:25:16
Angelato subside for more adult judies I think even in private relationships there's women who basically say I'm a fairy I'm a mermaid I'm this but in private relationships that's expressed only with a partner I think in your case you're kind of publicizing that I don't think it's necessarily out of the ordinary to
02:25:29
Meowbe like Oh I'm this imaginary creature or I'm this animal or whatever exctly with a partner there's no there's no cognitive dissonance for me in who I am or my regard and my role with people you know it's it's not like that so is it a
02:25:41
Jakeyou think you're like a genetically like your biology is canine or is it the fact that you you just take that upon yourself a personality thing it's it's it's definitely a a personality thing I'm very doggish and I've always been
02:25:54
Meowthat way I've always like identified what what breed of what breed do you think I am Brian look at look at my ears look at my spots what do you
02:26:02
Meowthink a cheetah Dal not girl did you just say cheetah it's a Dal you a purple Dal dalti I'm a purple dation yes a lavender dation okay yes wait I
02:26:13
Meowgenuinely want to know like what traits of yours do you have that made you realize that you're dog like wagon tail like do mean ex I think there might be a
02:26:25
Meowmisconception that there was a time closer to the mics please um I I never realized that I was a dog it is simply a lifestyle Choice whenever you are young you engage in play we play pretend we
02:26:38
Meowplay house there's somebody who's the mom oh I want to be the dad I want to be the daughter I wanted to be the dog from the time I was in preschool and it was a very exciting thing for me she's saying okay so like when you choose like a
02:26:49
Arsoncharacter on like um I don't know so basically this is her character for Life yeah she like it's Perma like you can't roll like there's no rolling she's yeah you can't like she can't even
02:27:01
Brian Atlaschange like the type of the breed of dog like she can't you be impressed with my ear collection you do sometimes change breed
02:27:10
Brian Atlasokay going back going back can we please see you wag that tail speci wait hold on you have a tail yeah yes can she please Wag It wait hold on I do have a question
02:27:22
Meowbecause people who are like do that [ __ ] for Kinks like yeah you know like you I'm aware of that and and it's gross I to to me it's it's feel that inside of
02:27:33
Brian Atlasyou like the do you want it to be what what no I'm asking you no like these [ __ ] animal people they'll like wear tails and it's actually villy donated
02:27:45
TTS$200 let me get this straight atherion is silly but me I'm a dog is not you want to be treated as human while identifying
02:27:55
TTSas animal do you really not see why you would deter a healthy partner see like I actually like dog do you want to respond to this yeah I I'm I suppose I'm a
02:28:06
Meowlittle confused in this like quest for a healthy partner I am very satisfied with the friendships and platonic Partnerships like in my life of people who support you know me and my Endeavors and I support them I'm not seeking
02:28:19
Meowanything so I think it's very strange that I should be altering parts of myself that I am completely comfortable with that I don't have any kind of moral like high ground or like confusion with an aesthetic choice for a healthy
02:28:31
Meowpartner because there is an assumption that okay I'm crazy I'm uh out of uh out of touch or you know there's misconceptions a huge misconception the way that I dress people assume that I do sex work that's a huge misconception but
02:28:44
Meowis that going to stop me from wearing past colors no just because the eirl brand normalized wearing pastel colors and cers on the internet suddenly I'm not allowed to express myself in the way that I choose it it's it's very without there being a sexual expectation is very
02:28:58
Brian Atlaswell I mean it's it's not clear to me I mean if you've actually even said that you're necessarily even looking for a traditional guy I'm assuming yeah so I mean I don't know if that's a it's a fair statement for them to make um I
02:29:12
Brian Atlasdon't I don't even think that you're arguing that I deserve X sort of treat but I think the point that they're trying to make is could your outward presentation when it comes to your
02:29:23
Brian Atlasappearance and your aesthetic could that perhaps you know some people might take quarrel with that and not want to date you I assume the answer is yes I think you don't you don't care and the
02:29:34
Brian Atlastrade-off your trade-off is well I like to dress this way and the men who will like me will like me and that's that but I did want to get back to the story that you said about this guy who you while you were kind of already I was
02:29:46
Meowinterested in somebody else at were you dating him or just interested I was just interested so he it wasn't reciprocal from the other guy no uh from the other guy at the time in college it it was but it was a longdistance thing so it was
02:29:59
Brian Atlasjust you know but so you you were kind of not I was emotionally invested you were not emotionally available for somebody else and so he asked me up front and I was up front with him but okay and but so you still went on the date and you went on the date with him
02:30:12
Meowhe took oh yeah because he asked when we got to the venue he asked about that he was like are you emot like like looking for anybody else in that regard right and and you were he was cool with it he's like hey we can still just have a
02:30:23
Brian Atlasnice little dinner and just keep things uh friendly uh were you having sex with the other guy absolutely not oh okay
02:30:34
Brian Atlasinterest uh was the other guy as gentlemanly and kind and gracious as the guy who you kind of friendzoned yes okay okay all right it was it was a genuine just mismatch and I I just did not see
02:30:46
Brian Atlasyou like that in the same way you saw me okay gotcha I I thought kind of the way you initially told us the story in the DMs I thought perhaps that uh you know this guy did all the right things he was
02:30:58
Meowbeing a gentleman but he ultimately and at the end of the day got friend zoned and got curved he did that is that is the story he did all the right things he asked me on a date he didn't know anything about me we had one class together in college he doesn't know if I'm dating anybody he doesn't know
02:31:10
Meowanything about me besides my name and what I look like so when I say oh you want to take me on a date okay I'm not dating anybody I'm not seeing any simply because I'm emotionally investing in somebody else who is a thousand million miles away doesn't mean that I'm going
02:31:22
Brian Atlasto close myself off to experiences local to me sure and I I think that's fire some more pre-show notes from you you said looks are only important on First Impressions um can you expand on that a
02:31:34
Meowlittle bit what do you mean by by that um I think maintaining a level of aestheticism in your relationship is very valid especially for making your partner feel valuable if you wake up every day and you know you brush your
02:31:46
Meowhair and put on a clean shirt your partner is going to be oh oh I want to put on a clean shirt too I want to I want to brush my hair too and so um I I I think that as far as first looks go um when you meet somebody for the first time you're enchanted with their with
02:31:59
Meowtheir like look their aesthetic their build and that is what draws you in but after that it's like a matter of um getting to know that person it's a matter of oh the longer I look at you uh you know you have you have this smile
02:32:12
Meowline right here and you have this Freckle right here so the more in love you can come with somebody's looks the longer you are interested in them or Court them or whatever is very fair but as far as general physical appearance I think it's a bizarre notion to think
02:32:25
Brian Atlasthat oh I have to maintain a certain level for a partner well this is a perfect segue we have Stiffler here ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to 10 so rate your own looks 11
02:32:37
Brian Atlasown looks well we'll start with you and then we'll go around the table go ahead 10 um maybe like a seven eight okay closer to M
02:32:48
Arsonahead this is hard cuz like I mean I have I have like such different moods and different personalities that like if I'm feeling manic I think I'm like a million but if I'm like depressed I
02:33:00
Arsonthink I'm like a negative one what about right now so yeah how you feeling right right now right now arson princess arson princess all right and like I've been on
02:33:10
Arsona on the sick one for like 2 weeks so right now we in our you know I'm feeling you've been sick no like you know I'm a on a sick one what the hell does that
02:33:21
Jakesick one she she's dope in Australia oh okay she's sick sick means like really Co in Australia so like a sick [ __ ] yeah
02:33:29
Arsonyeah sick cun Americans can't say it americ sorry Sor period wait so 1 to 10 okay one to 10 Sho I got to be like a little bit humble okay like like it n
02:33:41
Arsonit's like no no no yeah yeah yeah never 10 10 11 we we do you got it 10 wait 10 we ATT 10 we attent you just said got to be a little humble okay got to be and
02:33:52
Arsonthing that switch up my mind like she she she's she's a talent 11 I'm very attractive what about you nine
02:34:03
Arsonokay I'd say like a seven or an eight oh she need stop um my boyfriend would be upset with me if I didn't say 10 he your boyfriend would be upset with you if you didn't say you're a 10 yes but what do
02:34:15
Jakeyou think you are I think I am let's say your boyfriend dumped you right now and you're free to do whatever you wish don't say that no if your boyfriend never heard this what would you say if
02:34:26
Skyyou were in a quiet dark room by yourself seven seven oh okay all right what about what about you I'm nine okay and I up the back there creep into a microphone I'd say probably a seven
02:34:38
Ariana/Jules/Carmenseven okay I like really [ __ ] up my hair cutting it it looks good don't say thats good otherwise I would have said eight like a
02:34:49
Arsonmonth ago but now I'll go with like a 6.9 6.9 I look way better in person than on camera I'll be honest um didn't see you back there I'm a four on a good day
02:35:00
Ravenfour on a good day okay all right uh 3.14 oh come on pie she got the attractiveness of pie though p is so attractive I give myself
02:35:12
Jakea safe seven but I feel like I'm I'm being a bit too cocky after hearing you guys a 3.14 what's yours Brian five five I give myself a five yeah I swear you
02:35:24
Brian Atlaswere a seven I was this right here I swear you were a seven when I first came in she going to be honest with it wait Kayla said yeah yeah okay all right mid white
02:35:34
Brian Atlasguy there you go cool seven like last last July no so like I used to say six I used to say six 6.9 on a good day but I
02:35:44
Arsongained weight I got a dad right now so I can't claim six no more I feel like you can death claim a six I feel like you can death claim a six
02:35:57
Arsonthinken think deficits for some women are 10 yeah that's C it's C dad bods Ain it DS no I'd rather be physically fit I'm chilling on that um you should be but yeah women have different scales you're
02:36:10
Brian Atlasyou're like a a 12 yall are generous all right 3.14 you he should have been
02:36:17
Brian Atlasthree serious um wait so wait are you the only 10 is she the
02:36:25
Brian Atlasonly 10 11 11 she's 11 oh she's an 11 um okay well
02:36:34
Skyuh I'm not going to rate you but you're not an 11 okay no Brian can you please tell me at least just rate usate US US just go around the table I like I like no first
02:36:47
Meowof all I like how he called me out out of everybody else because all of you voted lower than you actually physically are didn't they were just being truthful these two were voted lower than they are but everyone else was rather truthful
02:36:59
Jakeexcept the other tens was there any other tens she was a was you were in two minds though I didn't believe you anyway I believe anybody if it's not anybody's
02:37:08
Jakefeelings can be your I need to know what they're reading so when when you say 11 do you think that there's any room for Improvement do you think that you have any room for improvement physically I think aging is one of the most beautiful
02:37:21
Meowthings that we do as people like existing 27 right I am and so I ag even even I don't thank you even a matter of how different I looked three years ago versus now I I love aging and I'm
02:37:33
Jakeexcited for the process of aging and I find you're excited to age I am we're all marching steadily towards the grave so three years ago you were better than you are now or or Worse um I was the
02:37:44
Meowsame but different I I find I find it like dissonant because I I don't change any like uh personal habits of like grooming or otherwise whenever it comes to like how I you know do my hair or like how I like cold myself but
02:37:56
Jakelike definitely like okay I have nicer fitted clothes now that I actually make more money than when you say 11 do you are you thinking about it in in your eyes or are you thinking about it in like the broader Society of like what
02:38:07
Jakeother people would probably consider to you as well so you think like like beautiful like I think you are like incredibly the standard basically thank you I think that this is why girls girls
02:38:18
Jakearen't very good friends to each other sometimes so you're actually if I if I if I had a friend telling me that he's a 10 and he's not I just tell the guy not
02:38:27
Jakea 10 you're a bit delusional I feel like hold on hold on a second when you say you're an 11 as you said that is the top top percentile like that is Victoria
02:38:39
JakeSecret super model why is Victoria Secret the standard of because because they're like they considered of the most beautiful women in the world they're
02:38:48
Meowpretty pretty fine the like 201 I'm a little confused on like your I would say Ranna like P replay her face
02:38:58
Meowwould be like there you're talking aging it yeah cuz like no nobody like I feel like in like this generation of like younger women nobody's thinking like oh Rihanna's The Beauty Center they're
02:39:10
Jakethinking like cardi B even like are you calling me old I'm one year older than you honey I'm telling you that it's I'm telling you that your preferences of they're nice preferences you think that me me having a preference for Rihanna
02:39:21
Meowponderlay is is showing my age it seemed as though I that's not a bad it's not a jav hun like I know no you in this one because she's just calling you hi she's
02:39:31
Brian Atlascalling you hip call well it's you're kind of like you're kind of deflecting you're kind of deflecting from the actual conversation at Hand by questioning like his his awareness of modern musicians ultimately we are
02:39:44
Brian Atlastalking about rating and you raided yourself in 11 you rated yourself in 10 um again I'm not particularly can you guys stop interrupting please I'm not particularly inclined to actually rate any of you but those of you who claim to
02:39:55
Meowbe a 10 or 11 in your case there's no 10 sitting at this table is that supposed to hurt my feeling I'm not no I'm is that supposed to be a big mic drop moment like I'm
02:40:05
Meowconfused it's purely just a statement of fact I'm not doing it to get a rise out of you or to try to be triggering I'm confused because we I think we can all agree that uh on the topic of you know how I believe that looks are only
02:40:18
Meowimportant on the first impression I don't believe that any of us are you know walking around saying we need a 6 foot5 man who's 300 pound muscle and all what I'm saying because because I'm being compared to Victoria Secret models
02:40:31
Brian Atlaswhen in reality I don't have any barometer of what I I don't have any barometer of how I've VI attract you don't get to dictate to the world how attractive honey you but the question
02:40:41
Brian Atlasthe kind of the the sense of the question is is what gener like how am I generally perceived for example let me ask all the girls here a question if a guy who was obese he was unkempt didn't
02:40:54
Brian AtlasGrom himself smoked weed all day lived lived at his parents house played video games all day um just neck beard U I'm trying to think of other other things 5 foot5 um I mean some of these are not
02:41:07
Brian Atlasreally related to physical attractiveness but if he claimed he was a 10 would you guys like coign that and just be like yeah he's a 10 that makes no sense to me why why would I sit there and be like hey what do you think you
02:41:19
Meoware and then somebody say well this is how I view myself and you go well screw you you're actually not like it's just a very it depends if you're having a round T conversation about okay so am I an overweight older man who has a neck
02:41:31
Brian Atlasbeard who smokes weed and is UNG groming himself no you make really bad faith you make really bad faith disingenuous arguments I don't mean to I'm saying yeah no but but you're saying am I
02:41:42
Brian Atlascalling you that no but I'm trying to use an extreme to try to articulate a point we can all agree that some people are more attractive than others correct yes yes okay have you girls never raided men on their physical appearance like
02:41:55
Meowphysical appearance means nothing to you I'm I'm very I I defin so I said I that physical looks this started because I made the assertion that phys I believe physical looks are only important on the first go and now you're insinuating do
02:42:07
Angelado women even like rape men I'm confused on how we got here I think women don't tend to have as like constructive of like a skill men do I think I think I think women don't really have that structured of a scale as men do I think that they tend to Value like for example
02:42:20
Angelayou like the bad boys you like a particular type of men we all have our specific type and So based off of that is what we're going to consider a 10 but we don't really it's more based on a type whereas for men there's a there's a beauty standard set for the world which is Victoria Secret model which is artist
02:42:32
Jakeand that makes sense as to why the thing is as well I rated myself a seven I think ban was maybe a little bit harsh with the five but men we have to kind of understand that because if I walk around saying I'm a 10 and I'm Flawless then my
02:42:44
Jakefriends will look at me like you are a delusional idiot and this is what girls don't have and then you sort of like argue to the girls about the fact no I am 11 because of my I'm not telling it doesn't matter about your subjective opinion You're simply not a I I've I've
02:42:57
Meownever once been a girls girl oh my God you're so pretty no no no you're so pretty besti like I can't stand whenever the women have that kind of like like attitude I guess like this is genuinely not making any sense to me because no sense to me no this is genuinely not
02:43:10
Arsonmaking any sense to me because he asked us what we would write ourselves and then he said said um because well in his head there's no Rihanna sitting at this table no well let me finish I'm so sorry so then he's saying that there's no tens
02:43:22
Arsonat this table all I'm saying is okay because in his opinion there's no Rihanna or there's no Bella Hadid so there's no T to him at this table precisely so I'm perfectly fine so then there is a 10 at this table to you I'm
02:43:35
Meowjust I'm very confused by the by the like assertion of the premise that I need to agree and like I need to concede okay fine I'm really not when you asked my honest opinion and I gave my honest opinion I think physically you're hon
02:43:45
Brian Atlasyour honest opinion is you're ranking yourself in 11 you are on par with the most beautiful women in the world there's no women there's no women that are more attractive than you you're just I've never I honestly think I honestly
02:43:58
Jakethink that's very beautiful I think it's very beautiful for a woman to look at herself and call herself the most beautiful woman totally and utterly unattractive if a woman looks at herself in the mirror and says I'm the most hold on a second hold on stop interrupting if if
02:44:11
Jakesomebody looks at themselves in the mirror and says I'm the most beautiful woman in the world you think that that's attractive see that's where you're wrong see that's where you're wrong see this is why girls shouldn't be friends with
02:44:21
Meoweach other they need they need brothers and they need fathers hadc father fig my father always told me that [ __ ] yeah my father figure raised me to know my worth and so because I know my value and I'm asserting my value at a table that I'm
02:44:35
Arsonwrong though this is where you're wrong though because I'm not saying that you're looking yourself in the mirror and thinking that your eye shape is perfect your no shape is perfect what it means to be the most beautiful the world being the most beautiful woman in the world of the inside and out being a
02:44:47
Meowwoman we just said on physical we just said on physical looks I know but she's saying she's to the edge of the table sorry she saying she's the most beautiful woman in the world I mean if you want to take a tape measure to my waist size to my lip size to the way
02:44:59
Arsonthat my nose is my my whole don't have to cuz I can look at you and see that you're not a 10 if a man was to sit here no no no Les wants to go go ahead if a man was to sit here and tell us all he's
02:45:10
Arsona 10 know all of us Knowing damn well he's not a 10 you think us as females is not going to sit here no because you're females no no what I'm saying you want to do it because you're not honest let her finish I will straight up tell you
02:45:21
Arsonguys 100% no you are not a 10 we're asking for the general population I wouldn't say that like I I genuinely I agree with them because oh thank you yeah if if a man wants to sit here in
02:45:33
Arsonour face and claim that he's a whole 10 when everyone here knows he's not a 10 obviously like that's just that's just a general population of what they're thinking like you'll probably it's just
02:45:47
Brian Atlasnot to yourself the market this the dating Marketplace determines your value it's not you don't get do you think there's only okay I'm not talking about your your value in
02:45:59
Brian Atlasterms that's how I see myself wasn't the question but if we're we're talking about physical we're talking about the dating Marketplace I'm not talking about your value as a human I'm talking about your value on the in the dating Marketplace okay and I think we can all
02:46:11
Brian Atlasagree there are some potential partners that might more optimal uh partner choices than others and so we would evaluate that and
02:46:20
Brian Atlasperhaps rank order them oh here here look you have an option of two people you find one more attractive it could be physical it could be personality it could be status it could be all sorts of
02:46:31
Brian Atlasthings you've just made like a a some to some degree a judgment on that person maybe it's a one and a zero it's a yes or a no that is a judgment in its own
02:46:42
Brian Atlasright and then if you have enough people leaning more more towards giving a yes to say person a versus person B then you can rank order them and then if you have 100 people then you start rank ordering them and that would be your value in the
02:46:55
Jakedating Marketplace and we're talking specifically when it comes to just looks why so so what what are you asking me now what just happened now he's just he's outlining to you that the fact that this is like a this is something that we
02:47:07
Brian Atlascan actually quantify we can quantify here let me let me ask you a question so let's say we lined up 10,000 men and those men were all unbiased and they were all tasked with ranking you on a
02:47:20
Brian Atlasscale of 1 to 10 and if the I don't know if it would be the mean or the average but they came to the conclusion that you're a seven 10,000 men okay that's the sample size would you be like that
02:47:31
Meowseems pretty reasonable 10,000 men have raided me I'm in I must be I'm likely to be a seven those are 10,000 different like World Views and experiences that's 10,000 different people who view
02:47:42
Meowdifferent uh so that's 10,000 people were one can say okay the Victoria Secret Beauty model is the standard and then there's another person that says oh actually the person who's playing on Euphoria or on HBO is actually a beauty
02:47:51
Meowstandard so both be pretty hard so it see it it seems very conf I guess the the the the root of this matter seems very confusing what she's trying to say do you do you want me to admit that I'm
02:48:04
Jakeunattractive in a way that I don't agree with I'm confused no we just simply pointing out the delusion in your view on yourself that's so when when you take 10,000 people let let's say that like a perfectly even cross-section of the
02:48:17
Meowpopulation people from all different walks of life and they were all to come to the consensus that you were a seven would you accept it are you okay like what why are you so trying to like
02:48:28
Brian Atlasconvin I'm very I'm very but why don't you actually answer his question and engage in good faith instead of like trying to say are you okay who hurts you like actually just answer question I'm confused because I feel very targeted because two other
02:48:40
Jakewomen on this on this panel also said oh I see myself as 10 so why are we not said a boyfriend Sheed it back she was just she was she I I didn't really believe she not really
02:48:51
TTSpushings donated $200 M8 it is rare to see so many mid unmarried single boring Plain Jane
02:49:01
TTSCentral Casting reject females argue they are Mega hot fol sake ladies less drugs more reality okay all right G one SPS don't speak for all of us for like
02:49:14
Ravenwhat I have to say to that yeah don't speak for all of us for real beauty is very subjective and no it's not beauty is objective there's an objective there's some can I say that there is like there is an objective but that objective changes
02:49:26
Raventhroughout the world too like in let's say you go to Africa they not going to make well no no no I am if you go to Africa women that are bigger are typically seen as more attractive over
02:49:38
Brian Atlasinica how about how about if I how about if I carve out let me carve out the caveat we'll just talk about the United States let's just talk about the United States we even talk yeah but I don't
02:49:48
Brian Atlasgive a [ __ ] what some tribe like I don't care like we can always we can always try to reach to some extreme like oh
02:49:58
Brian Atlaswould like some tribe and [ __ ] uh in [ __ ] Moz find me attractive yeah dude mosan Beque [ __ ] [ __ ] think I'm a
02:50:07
SPEAKER_1110 dope bro I don't give a [ __ ] I ain't ever going to fny I'm on your side I'm on I know that there is an objective Beauty but I'm saying it can definitely change
02:50:19
Jakeit's not concrete to Western beauty standards everywhere in the world so you're saying like in Jamaica for example they like chubby white girls if a chubby white girl goes to Jamaica she's not safe on the beach right I have no idea what their beauty standers are but I know that there are different
02:50:31
RavenBeauty standers around the world but what I'm saying okay and then I wanted to explain to her look yes there is objective beauty standards somebody please give me a like you know as far as
02:50:42
Raventhe West goes right the West you know as far as the West goes yes there are objective beauty standards and what they're just trying to say you know that's where I got thrown off was because he said you can't dictate to the
02:50:54
Ravenrest of the world right what you are that's why I got confused how about here's another thought experiment let's say we lined
02:51:03
Brian Atlasup it could be 10,000 men 10,000 women okay and then there was 10,000 men and 10,000 women all judging them and rating them and rank ordering them from like maybe it's it'd be easier to like
02:51:15
Brian Atlasconceptualize this if we use a 100 let's say you you had 100 people in front of you varying differences when it comes to their physical appearance and then we had like 10,000 people all rank ordering
02:51:26
Brian Atlasthem from most attractive to least attractive now granted some people might put this person more attractive than this but I would suspect and I I'm hoping well I don't enough if you guys will agree on this do you think though
02:51:39
Brian Atlasthat you know there's going to be a cohort of people that tend to be gravitate towards W the top like like 10,000 people they're going to understanding going to kind of fall