TRIGGERED Demonic Blood Witch E-Girl Puts A CURSE On The Podcast?! | Dating Talk #133
Date: 2024-02-05
Duration: 6h 24m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS(audience)
SPEAKER_01Production(audience)
SPEAKER_02Ariana/Jules/Carmen(guest)
SPEAKER_03Sky(guest)
SPEAKER_04Arson(guest)
SPEAKER_05Kayla(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Jake(guest)
SPEAKER_08Meow(guest)
SPEAKER_09Kiki(audience)
SPEAKER_10Angela(guest)
SPEAKER_12Raven(guest)
SPEAKER_13Bri(guest)
Key Moments
00:02:41
IntroArson introduces herself; reveals her government name is actually Arson and she makes portable flamethrowers.
“my name's arson um I'm 24 is that your government name that's my government name”
00:03:58
IntroMeow introduces herself as a dog (purple Dalmatian) who lives the dog-girl lifestyle full-time.
“my name is meow like a cat but I am a dog and I'm 27 I'm from the USA and I'm a twitch live streamer”
01:39:34
Key MomentArson describes 4-year relationship with a videographer whose leg was amputated and put on backwards to function as a new knee joint.
“it was like left amputated and like put on backwards and then like the foot joint now acts as a knee joint”
01:40:20
ControversyArson recounts sex injury that sent her to the ER: used kitchen knife for blood-play on second meeting, deep laceration required ER visit, which is how they fell in love.
“we used a freaking kitchen knife and it was so dull and tried to do like a tiny cut and it wouldn't work and I just grabbed my leg and he just went once really fast”
02:03:02
Key MomentJake Australia arrives to the show, having driven through flooding rainstorms.
“good evening everybody good evening nice to meet you how you all doing Jake we're going to be leg to leg here”
02:06:00
Key MomentArson shows she is wearing diapers on-show; reveals her current boyfriend gave her a perineal tear from sex that required diapers and lidocaine jelly for a week.
“I had to wear diapers for a week and why is that so I do only fans my boyfriend and I were just practicing some things”
02:33:20
ControversyBrian challenges Meow on her dog-girl identity, asking whether a traditional man could accept a dog-girl partner and whether the lifestyle is a sexual kink.
“when you say 11 do you are you thinking about it in in your eyes or are you thinking about it in like the broader Society”
02:39:00
Key MomentSelf-ratings round begins. Meow rates herself 11/10.
“well we'll start with you and then we'll go around the table go ahead 10 um maybe like a seven eight okay closer”
04:48:07
ControversyArson pulls a syringe filled with blood from her bag on-show, claiming it is a token of her manifestation from blood rituals performed the previous night.
“there was a syringe okay gosh that's what I was just drawing it up in you just did a you did this at the table no I keep it on me as a token of my manifestation”
04:52:10
Key MomentJake warns Arson about the dangers of blood rituals and occult practices, saying she is tapping into dark spiritual energy.
“I would urge you girls to be very careful with what you she us she used to take menstrual blood also yeah you guys I'm sorry you might think it's a bit of fun you're going into something that's pretty dark”
04:55:00
Key MomentAngela explains Arson's cult/witchcraft behavior as a manifestation of emotional intensity and desire for control, comparing it to historical blood goddess worship.
“what you're calling delusional is basically you being a very emotionally intense person where you want that true love”
05:12:40
Key MomentAngela argues that Arson's blood magic and cult behavior is ultimately self-harm used to gain an illusion of control.
“drawing your own blood is a form of self harm so it's like you're ultimately hurting yourself to gain control over a situation”
05:15:40
Key MomentBody count round: Bri reveals body count of 6 (was dating from age 17-22).
“literally um I was dating someone for 5 Years From 17 to 22 so mine is only six”
05:16:10
Key MomentBody count round: Arson says she lost count and estimates somewhere between 30 and 200+.
“I lost track honestly I don't know I literally have absolutely no clue if it would be like 30 100 or over that like I have no clue”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Introductions and relationship status
Guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Brian goes around the table on relationship status, demisexuality, femcel identity.
00:15:00
Alternative / subculture dating struggles
Discussion on dating within the alt/e-girl subculture. Arson describes herself as femcel. Meow discusses dog-girl lifestyle and voluntary celibacy. Panel discusses whether alt aesthetic attracts or repels healthy partners.
01:38:20
Arson's relationship history and ER incidents
Arson details 4-year relationship with videographer who became addicted to Percs and had leg amputated and reversed. ER visit from blood-play injury during their second meeting. Hooked via trauma bond.
01:55:00
Mental health, diagnosis, and medication
Raven shares she was told at 16 she would be institutionalized for life; recovered after moving out at 18. Debate on legitimacy of bipolar/BPD diagnoses. Arson acknowledges bipolar-like symptoms and credits them as creative fuel.
02:03:02
Jake Australia arrives and joins panel
Jake (Rattlesnake TV) arrives after driving through flooding storm. Brian introduces him; Jake joins the table.
02:04:14
Ivory (Ariana) pre-show notes discussion
Brian goes through Ariana's pre-show notes: exotic dancer + OnlyFans, perineal tear from sexual encounter requiring diapers for a week, basketball team history at University of Portland, ex who still requests $40 via Venmo, leaning Trump.
02:11:40
Men as demons / toxic relationship patterns
Arson describes modern dating as a scam and men as demons. Angela and Brian note pattern of Arson attracting emotionally unavailable men due to her own unresolved emotional needs.
02:21:40
Meow's dog-girl lifestyle debate
Extended discussion of Meow's dog-girl identity. Jake questions whether it is a sexual kink; Meow denies it. Angela raises cognitive dissonance between wanting a traditional man and presenting as a dog. Brian asks what breed Meow is (lavender Dalmatian).
02:27:20
Feminist and political identity round
Brian asks each guest: are you a feminist? Political leaning? Responses range from feminist/liberal (Meow) to anti-feminist/monarchy (Angela) to apolitical. Arson declines feminist label and is apolitical.
02:39:00
Physical attractiveness / self-rating round
Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10. Meow rates herself 11, Bri rates 10, Arson 10, Sky 7, Raven 4, Jake 7, Brian 5. Debate on whether self-ratings are objective.
04:48:00
Arson's cult and blood rituals
Arson reveals she leads a group of like-minded women she calls a cult, focused on world liberation and domination. Monthly Airbnb meetings with spell-casting and blood pacts. Pulled a syringe from her bag on-show as a token of manifestation. Jake warns against occult practices. Angela offers psychological analysis.
05:08:20
Body count and mate value debate
Extended panel debate on whether body count affects women's value as a partner. Jake and Angela argue Chastity is a male value preference. Brian argues it is not hypocritical to desire in a partner what you don't possess.
05:15:00
Body count round
Brian goes around table asking body counts. Bri: 6. Arson/Arson-label: 30-200+ (lost count). Sky: ~9. Raven: undisclosed. Angela: undisclosed. Jake: 4. Lesie: 4. Ariana: ~30. Others declined or gave ranges.
06:18:20
Kayla's before/after style transformation
Brian shows before/after photos of Kayla from when she was homeless and kicked out vs. her current alt style. Discussion on how freedom from restrictive home led to her aesthetic expression.
Transcript
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02:51:51
Meowwithin like a uh margin of error basically sure sure because because now that we're talking about like statistically and like versus like oh what do you just casually rate yourself I've got another question I well I oh do you want to respond well I was going to
02:52:04
Meowsay I was going to say if we're talking about the objective Western beauty standards if if you put up if you put a picture of let's say Sabrina Carpenter Paris Hilton and Paris Hilton do you know she's gorgeous back in her day are
02:52:16
Meowyou crazy back in her day she was great she's incredible Paris is amazing I Bella you said did you say G I think you said one of the hi girls I said Rihanna P the
02:52:30
Meowreplay she said Bella Hadid uh but the you know if we're talking objectively like Western standards okay larger lips higher cheekbones Slimmer jawline smaller waist larger tits I I there are
02:52:42
Meowfacets of my physical being that I align with that that so it makes sense for my thought pattern to look in the mirror and say oh yes this is what western Beauty stands are telling me is beautiful of course I okay so the thing
02:52:53
Angelais you've been talking for like 5 minutes you started getting emotional everyone started getting emotional they're baiting you they want you to say yes sir just say yes sir I'm say is the
02:53:05
Jakelaw whatever you whatever you is truth L listen I'm I'm not I'm not me cuz I said okay it's simp simply just yes no not second hold on a second I'm not baiting
02:53:16
Jakeanyone it's just it's objective that beauty actually operates on somewhat of a bell curve most people are normal is that your cop 70 no yes sir of course can I interject something so so about 70 80% of people are probably going to fall
02:53:29
Jakebetween like the four and seven sort of Mark and then it's going to really thin out towards the end so when we're talking about nines and T they like if you ever see a 10 they're a head turner if you ever see a one it ruins your day
02:53:41
Arsonwhat so I don't think about people like like what yeah you haven't seen a one then yeah I it's like Rend can I please like interject
02:53:53
Skysomething so I'm kind of surprised that other people haven't like arrived at us already but it's so you guys are seeming to have like a much more logical objective approach to a beauty standard and some of the other girls are holding
02:54:06
Skythemselves to a much more loose less rigid Queen subjective like you don't hate the player hate the game
02:54:17
Meowyou know I definitely think there's limitations on beauty standards no I understand the difference but that's why to debate because we have our differ that's the difference between the female brain and the male brain it's not a debate if you ask my opinion and you say you're wrong you're wrong you're it's
02:54:29
Jakelike why I I was waiting for okay let's move on the way that the conversation works is you say what you think I say what I think I substantiate it with whatever like the metrics are that I use you substantiate it with whatever the
02:54:40
Jakemetrics are that you use and then we let everybody decide who's right but what happened was I was substantiating and you were just saying oh what's wrong with you tri sh say okay well well can I well hold on I just I just want to say
02:54:53
Meowjust say okay because the reality is I specified you asked about statistical comparison as far as the beauty standard so I specified okay are you asking about the size of my lips my my cheekbones like I I I I did I did engage with you equally you just didn't like my answer
02:55:06
Brian Atlasand that's okay can we ask them what they question so going back to my previous example if 10,000 people rated you a seven would that change
02:55:14
Brian Atlasyour answer or would you say I reject the estimation of 10,000 people I reject that I'm still a 10 I have are you gonna
02:55:26
Brian AtlasI literally just asked her a question go ahead I I I'm I'm conf what is confusing if like a 100,000 people we did a PLL we
02:55:36
Brian Atlasdid a PLL 10 100,000 people and they rated you a seven would that give you any reason to change your self assessment could your self assessment be wrong why why would I change my self
02:55:48
Angelaassessment based on the opinions of other people that don't reality like reality thing is I think you're using a scale that people don't usually use in your life there is an objective
02:56:00
Brian Atlasscale I don't think it matters I don't care what 10,000 people we're not saying that she's not going to be able to find a partner you are I'm just saying it's just like I don't know it's like
02:56:11
Arsonrounding 10,000 people to a judge her is just never going to happens that's why there's a it's a hypothe it depends what 10,000 people you use too like literally
02:56:19
Brian Atlasshe can be someone I if if it's like if it's like a uh what's the term if you're like doing a study and you have like a a
02:56:29
Brian Atlaswide SWA of of different cross-section of different people I mean uh 10,000 is such a significant sample size it would be that would be a significance that's a
02:56:40
ArsonHu a lot of studies it's like what a thousand people they'll [ __ ] be a to get fairly accurate results off of like I would grateful to get a seven out of 10,000 people that's I would be grateful for that I think see but I think she's
02:56:53
Ravenobjectively a 10 like I actually think she's objectively a 10 though I genuin you think do you think it's the aesthetic or do you think it's like actually her actual physical like
02:57:03
Jakeabysal structures I think she's she's a beautiful girl we're not saying not a TR I'm I know but a 10 like I mean like I objective scale like on an objective scale M oh sorry there's definitely
02:57:16
Arsonlimitations on the beauty standard like you guys said like there you at some point you you can't reach an eight or a nine because Rihanna is an eight or a nine and you
02:57:27
Arsonyou just you don't touch that status and it's not like it's not like a thing where it's like oh like oh I don't I'm not I'm not that pretty and as a guy you can't if you're below 6ot as a guy you're never going to get above like
02:57:39
Meowmaybe a seven or so unless youly it just goes off going to be are going to be like the crem to I think that women and men view attraction very differently and I think
02:57:52
Meowthat height is not a factor in the way that most women operate I think I disagree I disagree I'll ask a question here here's a question so two men uh Brad Pit Donald
02:58:04
Brian AtlasTrump now if you were to ask all the women in the world and they can just judge based off of physical looks do you think that
02:58:16
Brian Atlasthere would be a tendency for more women than not to rank Brad Pit as more attractive than Donald Trump yes or is it all subjective it's just subjective
02:58:27
Brian Atlasand who knows love him I like I think so bad fath it's so bad the only thing that I would it's so bad faith because I'm not
02:58:37
Brian Atlasasking I'm not asking will there never be any One Singular woman who will find Donald Trump attractive that's not what I'm asking you're answering a more of a broader question when he's asking more
02:58:48
Meowof a like straightforward ask as far as Western beauty standards are concerned between Donald Trump and Brad Pit which one do you think women are going to go for how about we do it let's ask the
02:58:59
Arsontable who's more physically attractive Brad Pit or Donald Trump Brad Pit I don't I don't think either of them are attractive who's more does matter who's
02:59:11
Arsonmore attractive but if you think they're oh my God it's a question who's more you got to go into a room with one I'm straight and I know who's more physically attracted you're the last
02:59:23
Arsonfemale on the planet with these two men who are you going into a room with to make more children to continue this and they both breeders as well or anything like that if you're going to go into a
02:59:33
Arsonroom with anyone to probably Donald Trump just to have a conversation okay period next one you Donald Trump p answer did you
02:59:44
Meowanswer you're answer am I supposed to answer Donald Trump is attractive no oh my God what is wrong I I'm it's just silly to me Conant somebody please give me tyen not meant to be
02:59:56
Meowbad you could just be good faith and just answer the question okay would you like me to say that Brad Pit fits the Western what it's not what I would like you to say it's what I'm asking you it feels like you're waiting for me to say something very specific and that's why I
03:00:08
Brian Atlasfeel like I'm at a l right so you're saying you don't have I said stop stop stop let me finish are you saying that you don't have the mental capacity to make a determination right here and right now who is more physically
03:00:20
Brian Atlasattractive Brad Pit or Donald Trump that's the question you need not uh what's it called you need you need not belabor the point any further just answer the question who has a better
03:00:31
Meowchance with you Donald Trump or Brad Pit [ __ ] Christ I just said that Brad Pit aderes to the Western Beauty standard OB like way more [ __ ] that's not really what you said but okay Brad Pit that is what she said Brad Pit Brad Pit no she
03:00:43
Brian Atlassaid said she said are you wanting me to answer in this way I want you to just say the truth I want you I actually said I did say a no you didn't because the
03:00:53
Jakethe question is who do you hold on hold on hold on the question is who do you find more attractive and when you say Brad Pit uh fits the Western Beauty standard that's not answering the
03:01:05
Jakequestion that's dancing around the question so there we go anyway who wants to goad pad pad pit yeah based Donald Trump
03:01:16
Jake2024 who you wanted pit my fouryear boyfriend oh my God okay period I
03:01:28
Jakerespect that answer she said my four-year boyfriend my yeah but that's the thing is that you just answered the question incr no no but I'm a man so you know I if it had to be do you think that
03:01:40
Angelathe reason that there's so many men who are single or who who can't get girls is because of how society and the economy is now structured where now it's like men aren't supposed to use their beauty or their physical attractiveness to get a partner that's not been seen before
03:01:52
Angelathey're supposed to use their resources to get a partner that's fair so do you think that the way the economy is set up where it's like now both men and men are entering the workforce and now women are at an advantage and incentivized to earn more than their husbands or boyfriends
03:02:03
Brian Atlasor Partners or whatever that now those men are basically rendered useless well yes that's actually I mean a very very good point so I mean the way a man in the past historically used to make himself appealing and attractive to a
03:02:16
Brian Atlaspotential partner was by being a provider but now that that's I mean that can still be to some degree employed but to perhaps a far lesser degree and uh look there are some women who want to be
03:02:27
Brian Atlasstay-at-home wives and they might you know be more inclined to take that into consideration When selecting a partner but now that women for the most part I mean it's I don't know the exact uh
03:02:39
Brian Atlascomparison when it comes to Workforce participation but yes abs absolutely men can no no longer men have to rely on much more uh different things it it can be looks they need to up their emotional
03:02:51
Angelaintelligence um their uh conversation skills Riz blah blah blah all that [ __ ] I say even with emotional intelligence though like a man could be incredibly emotionally intelligent satisfy a woman the most feminist liberal woman in the world but at the end of the day it's not going to be constr it's not going to be
03:03:05
Angelastable it's not going to be something that's sustainable because there is a natural dynamic between men and women that are complimentary and unless there's laws and an economy cu lot of women who do want to be stay-at home moms cannot afford to stay at home because the economy doesn't yield to it
03:03:18
Jakeanymore actually though interesting point on that stay at home mom families where the husband only works when you when they do studies on this actually tend to earn more I mean I'm that favor of that I like that I think I think that
03:03:31
Angelathere's just cases where it's like a lot of women do feel pressure at having to leave the workforce or leave the home basically to basically have both you know to meet ands meet or whatever and that will fracture obviously there's a lot of shaming in society as well like
03:03:43
Angelawomen who want to stay home they get they get shamed as doing something that's like lazy or something like that I think that's the whole thing that I don't like about feminism and why I'm anti- feminism is that the laws before feminism used to basically be in favor
03:03:55
Angelaof what is best for the family unit which would then transfer over to the neighborhood the society there's more Collective power in that way have you looked into paleo conservatism sounds like you're paleo conservative that being said I think that nowadays it's
03:04:08
Angelayielding towards just this fractalization where the only people who are you know basically rewarded in society are those that are the most atomized the most lonely and unfortunately you think they're rewarded I think that're socially they're
03:04:19
Angelarewarded I think that economically like they have to basically the most quote unquote successful people nowadays is basically measured off of how much money do you make or how much attention do you get for your physical appearance I think that what that got to do with being
03:04:31
Angelalonely though because you think incels are I think everyone's lonely in this day and I think most people are very much lonely we're a pic compare it with with the past oh insults are like the definition of loneliness basically but I'm like in the past there's used to be
03:04:44
Angelathat sort of like fabric where it's like a girl was never alone she always had her father her brothers and there was always a multitude of kids basically you're talking not necessarily loneliness but like independence from Independence is loneliness it's like
03:04:55
Angelahaving like agree with you even women who strike off on their own and they're like oh I'm a liberated queen or whatever they are they have higher rates of anxiety higher rates of depression because they're basically having to fend for themselves which is impossible so I
03:05:08
Angelathink that in order for men to actually be valued in society we can't go off of the beauty scale which is why none of them had like the same equal scale that you guys had cuz they don't work that way that's not how women valuate men ever that's not biologically how we're
03:05:20
Angelawired I think that in as and you don't think that women value Men by Beauty it's like if a man were the most beautiful man ever but I'm not emotionally connected to him he I'm going to ignore him but do you think that it's important though you think
03:05:33
Jakephysical attraction is rather important it's not as it's not going to be as important as it is for for a woman obviously but it is important it is important and they've actually done studies where they um they they put like a triers on these women then they'll show them these photos and they'll ask
03:05:46
Jakethem to say who they think is more attractive and it'll be like the guy with the dad B who's like you know holding the holding like the kids or whatever and then it'll be like the broad shoulders firemen and they'll always say oh the D the dad bod's more attractive but then when they their
03:05:58
Jakebrain is showing that they're much more aroused by the by the fireman guy so I think there is a little bit of like a but in terms of long-term relationships obviously I believe I I agree with you I think that women will sacrifice that physical component for the emotional
03:06:11
Angelaaspect of it I think men tend to sacrifice the emotional component for the physical aspect of it agree snaps can we do snaps could you repeat that one more time that was point I think women sacrifice the physical component
03:06:24
Jakein order to get that emotional like factor of it I think men will tend to sacrifice the emotional component I've seen with countless of my friends where they'll like it'll be the sex will be really good and she's really hot and every and everyone's like they post them
03:06:36
Jakeon their Instagram and it's like oh look at my hot girlfriend but then when you look at them when no one else is around they're just on their phones they have no connection and then she takes him for half after no time I'm also opposed of
03:06:48
Angelacourse I think three can agree and maybe I don't know about you guys but I'm also opposed to no fault divorce I think that all the laws need to be in place to make sure that a family stays together and basically I don't know it's like the
03:07:00
Angelamost productive for family building essentially I would agree with you do you guys think no fault divorce yes no no what is that you can basically you can't divorce well it's basically you
03:07:11
Brian Atlascan divorce it's you can divorce you just div we're sort of I want to stay linger here a little bit on the rating thing um you made the point that was it
03:07:22
Brian Atlasthat men tend to care more about looks than women do yeah I actually disagree here's a hot take I think women care far more about looks than do men has that been your experience I well I think it's true and
03:07:34
Brian Atlashere's here's why I think it's true for so if we look at the things that are within men and women's control women care far more about things that are totally outside of men's control when it
03:07:44
Brian Atlascomes to their physical appearance for example physical size height hair penis size these are all physical things that are totally outside of men's control if a man's balding out of his out of out of
03:07:56
Brian Atlasexcuse me staring here out of his control most women would prefer a man with a full head of hair women con would much prefer a tall guy penis size that's Factor outside of a man's control all
03:08:07
Brian Atlasthese things are very physical things totally outside man's control however the things that women can control like that's there's really very little that is outside of a woman's control
03:08:18
Jakewhen it comes to that's like make or break when it comes to uh that are deal breakers can I ask you a followup on that sure do you think that a woman
03:08:27
Jakewould prefer a man who is 5' 7 bald but a billionaire or a guy who is 6'3 jacked fan yolked massive [ __ ] but earns 40K a year who do you think they would like
03:08:40
Brian Atlasprefer as their life partner as a life partner yeah well well she' much prefer to breed like have children with the um I would say the when there're when when
03:08:52
Brian Atlasyou look at like the I mean who do you think get more girls I don't know if it's a totally fair comparison because like the degree to which your lifestyle is changed with a billionaire like I I
03:09:04
Brian Atlasdon't think many people comprehend like you are set for life like you don't have to lift a finger so I would argue
03:09:14
Brian Atlashow often are women going to be posed with those two uh those two choices it's hard to say with a lot of options might have I think you also have to factor in like even though that's a man with a billionaire and it's obviously like a life-changing experience you also have
03:09:28
Angelato factor in how bonded do you think that man is going to be to that woman and to the children that he has like Elon Musk for example he's on to his third baby mama now none of those children really are reared by him they're reared by the mother by other babysitters and those are factors that
03:09:39
Angelawomen tend to also look for as well the only people who are going to go after man with that much resources are those who are basically emotionally bankrupt but then also I mean we can also make the argument why is it the case that for
03:09:51
Brian Atlasexample on dating apps women only swipe on like the top five 10% of men I'll pause well because that's where it's strictly about uh uh assessing one's physical appearance so women are much
03:10:03
Brian Atlaspickier when it comes to physical appearance and we I'd actually like to go around the table on this what percentage of men do the women do you find physically attractive
03:10:15
Meowyeah I don't know like maybe 40 40% okay I don't know what about you I would say between 70 and 80 I can I feel like I acknowledge pe people's physical like features and I'm like I can acknowledge
03:10:26
Brian Atlasyou're attractive without being attractive to you that makes sense okay what about you 5050 5050 yeah i' agree wait what was the full question what percentage of men like if you're walking
03:10:37
Arsondown the street are you physically attracted to um that's the question what did you think the question was Kayla like just attractive not like actually like jump out of my skin attracted to
03:10:48
Brian Atlasyou no you don't no I'm just saying like think of it binary yes or no no I definitely say 50 50% there's a lot of cap going on here but okay what about you I'm going to be 100% honest and I'm going to tell you why
03:11:00
Brian Atlasnone what cuz you're in a relationship well du because obviously I'm in a relationship okay but like can you maybe H hypothetically like let's assume you weren't is your boyfriend going to like eat you you hypothetically answer the
03:11:12
Arsonquestion can you let me finish I'm so sorry but um so I've been with my boyfriend for a couple of months so obviously like I know what you're talking about like girls walking down the street like before I had my boyfriend like would I be walking down
03:11:24
Arsonthe street and just look at a guy and be like oh he's cute no I would so even before you were in a relationship you found all guys unattractive not unattractive but I didn't gush over them or turn my head or look twice no but
03:11:36
Brian Atlasthat's that's not really the question I'm not asking I'm not they don't have to be like this this like top tier specimen but just like did you team was the basketball team attract
03:11:46
ArsonI get your I get your question now like do I find men attractive yeah what what yeah what percentage of men do you find attractive 20% has anybody here been on dating apps yes has been on what
03:11:58
Brian Atlaspercentage of men are you swiping yes on 30 10% well that's very different than your previous so in person somehow it's 50/50 but on dating Ops it's no no I I meant to say like I Chang mine from
03:12:09
Bri50/50 to 10% you've been on dating yeah what percentage of men on dating apps do you swipe yes on um not a lot actually want to change my answer to cuz I understand it at first probably like
03:12:20
Meow5% okay there we go now the now the truth comes okay I was just going to say that I stand by mine being 7080 because I I all I think everybody all the men in this room are attractive and I like
03:12:31
Brian Atlasobjectively so like I I think that you are we not so I that justra what about you I said that just made him un attract what percentage of men like on dating apps what percentage
03:12:41
Arsonof men do you swipe yes on dating apps none I would say 2% 2% what about you I don't really use dating apps but I find that like it's really easy to like find
03:12:53
Arsonqualities where I'm like oh like that's attractive in a person just looks just looks walking down the street if you're not on dating apps I don't go outside much I'm going
03:13:04
Arsonto be honest I'm a streamer I don't leave my room I know how about did you go to college uh no I did not uh uh generally I think I can find I I feel
03:13:16
Arsonlike I can find something attractive in like almost every guy that's like able-bodied and like healthy enough just like okay all right what about you feel like we
03:13:25
Skymissed what what's yours um I'd probably say like 5% 5% yeah well I'm a person who like when I look at dating or
03:13:36
Skyattractiveness I look in personality like I wasn't attracted to the my exes but I got to know them and that's what made me like who they are I like people
03:13:48
Skyfor who they are you weren't attracted did you tell attracted to yeah they know that they know I wasn't attracted to them but once I got to know them I but now I do think they're attractive because I like who they are don't tell
03:13:59
Raventhat to next tell him tell him that was a fire it's like his personality made him could contain it who's next um see like uh I don't like dating apps for that specific reason that it's based on
03:14:11
Ravenlooks so I don't even look at what they look like I just go yeah so I swipe I used to swipe like 10% when it's like on the streets I'd say like 40% okay like
03:14:23
Angelamore on the street what about you um I don't use dating apps but typically in any typically in any room I'll find a guy that kind of is attractive to me so maybe okay well did you go to college yes what percentage of the men when you
03:14:35
Brian Atlaswent to college did you find attractive physically attractive maybe one every three semesters and even then I didn't really find any Checkmate women are way pickier when it comes to
03:14:47
Jakephysical attractiveness see but I think that wom women will compromise do do take L but also but they're they're they're pickier but who do you think
03:14:57
Brian Atlasit's more important to see I think I think women are it's uh that's a good question I may I think as a man you can like if your personality is on point if you have
03:15:10
Brian Atlassome sort of status or you're wealthy for example you can make up for a lack of physical attractiveness I don't think you can make up for it as a as a girl no no no as a guy as a guy but I'm saying as a girl though I don't think it's I don't
03:15:22
Jakethink you really can they can make up for it by being uh Pleasant that's true that true there is ways you can make up for it why you laugh about quote unquote wifey material pleasant pleasant is the
03:15:33
Brian Atlasnest way you can say it a lot of men will like happily if it's like she's a nine but she's a [ __ ] fing raging lunatic [ __ ]
03:15:44
Brian Atlasversus like she's a six but she's submissive sweetheart brings you peace never corome every day I think a lot of like for long yeah maybe the that chick she's good for a short-term thing I'm
03:15:56
Brian Atlasnot particularly interested in any short-term encounters but for like long-term monogamous commitment like yeah I think we'll sacrifice a couple points in looks if she's like a really
03:16:06
Brian Atlaslike mellow cool girl who brings us peace and is in a [ __ ] headache y so is that your of a woman what a woman who doesn't
03:16:15
Brian Atlasquarrel says in the Bible sleep on the roof and be with Proverbs 219 better to what it been he's been reading better to live in the desert than with a quarrelsome and nagging wife are there
03:16:28
Brian Atlasany women in your life that fit that criteria what's that are there any women in your life so far that fit that criteria oh absolutely I think I've I've actually had some really wonderful women uh who I've dated um I've really only
03:16:40
Brian Atlasmaybe dated most of the women I dated have been fantastic great women that's good um and uh yeah so but I have dated like I did date a girl who had BPD and
03:16:51
Brian Atlasthat was a major [ __ ] mistake and my life was [ __ ] like constant it was constant conflict with her and there was never peace and like having had that
03:17:03
Brian Atlasexperience and dating like super mellow calm girls and we're never like quarreling or conflict like it's it's night and [ __ ] day and I'll gladly give like some looks points away for
03:17:14
Brian Atlaslike just a really cool like girl that's especially if you're busy if you're a busy guy you do not want my life is yeah my life is stressful enough as it is so like I don't want to like if you're the
03:17:24
Brian Atlasthe dudes who will like entertain like crazy craziness crazy chicks are dudes who probably have nothing [ __ ] going for them because a dude who's like on his purpose he doesn't need that [ __ ]
03:17:36
Brian Atlashis life is probably stressful enough he's like he's fighting with the world so he doesn't want invite in like he wants his girl to be his piece and if she's not I feel like that's fair enough
03:17:48
Brian Atlasto say for women as well though oh I think that's fair if a girl if a girl wants a guy who's calm and mellow and you know is going to also like cuz dudes can definitely bring [ __ ] drama and
03:17:59
Brian Atlasyou think there's more like crazy psycho lunatic women or female or women or mal it's probably been a little more women I don't know I've met a lot of why is why is it I look I don't dat so I
03:18:12
Brian Atlasdon't know but like look I've heard from women there's some like nasty dudes out there I'm not saying all dudes are perfect not at all a lot of guys can move in very scummy ways and [ __ ] your life up the same way a woman can but
03:18:24
Brian Atlaslike why is there is certainly a Trope and I think there's certainly truth in stereotypes to some degree like why is it the Trope like the nagging wife you don't really hear about the nagging boyfriend the nagging husband typically like how many of your dudes be nagging
03:18:37
Arsonyou really okay a couple things I mean maybe you've encountered but like dudes are not nagging chicks really no the Abus aren't there more women on the planet than men though so that would
03:18:49
Angelajust be the case at the end of I'm not sure if that statistically pans out sure but I was just a question I think I think a woman to her extreme is going to be insane I think a man to his extreme is going to be a workaholic and I think that typically if a man is emotional and
03:19:02
Angelachaotic I think he's typically someone who is as Brian said unemployed has nothing going for him and if a woman is a workaholic she's also kind of a minority where it's like you're kind of for aking that which makes you a woman it's just that those are the ones that those Tendencies are the unhealthy
03:19:16
Jakeexpressions of Womanhood which is being insane or an unhealthy expression of man if you look at the the um B curve of like personality disorders as well um or like if you look at the Bal curve of aggression for example all of the
03:19:27
JakePsychopaths at the very top who are like the most crazy are all guys that's why prisons are packed out with men that's also why like the corporate world is packed out with Ben because you get these guys at the top who are just like
03:19:39
Brian Atlaswilling to step on anyone's head and psychotic but yeah it's an interesting one I don't know where the more psychos are to be honest one last thing on the rating thing where's where's arson arson what
03:19:51
Brian Atlasare you doing back there arson starting a fire back there ARS what's she doing she's come join us while I get this question here um okay so actually let me do some chats while she gets her seat back we have Miss Nims high value
03:20:04
Brian Atlasdid I read this one high value men date women of quality don't complain when you're not of quality to their standard Miss Nims thank you for the Mery buku for the Canadian 100 appreciate we have
03:20:14
Brian AtlasAndrew Zoo these girls are so basic what the [ __ ] answer the dang questions they're not that hard to understand so frustrating to watch Andrew Zoo thank you man for your patronage this is I
03:20:26
Brian Atlasthink your first time chatting welcome to uh whatever podcast uh thank you man appreciate it and uh okay so going around the table starting with
03:20:36
Brian Atlasyou zom Bri is your name what's your actual name Bri like short for Brian yeah okay um are you more attracted how you're 26
03:20:49
Brian Atlascorrect are you more attractive do you think you'll be more attractive at 36 or 26 probably 26 okay so you'll be I I don't want to articulate each one
03:21:01
Brian Atlasof your what's that hopefully 36 though hopefully 36 but okay so the question is do you think you'll be more attractive in 10 years or do you think you're more attractive as you are now so you answered what about you okay as part of as far as physical appearance obviously
03:21:15
Arsonyeah phys physical appearance guys physical appearance obviously I'm G be like more youthful and plump right now so know saying yeah I got moisture
03:21:26
Arsonbehind my skin you know okay I see okay but as far as 36 I'm going become more beautiful in other ways I'm I'm reach Enlightenment by then you know what I'm
03:21:35
Arsonsaying so it'll be still be Beauty in another way okay so so what's the answer as far as looks man all the superficial questions make my
03:21:48
Arsoninsides curdle like this is such a cringe question like like bro are you saying at 36 I'm I'm expire like hell no I'm not going to think like that let me
03:21:58
Brian Atlaslet me add the caveat you all may very well be still attractive in 10 years the question is are you will you be more attractive in
03:22:09
Brian Atlas10 years than you are now I'm going just say yes what about you yes I think older women are
03:22:20
Brian Atlasattractive uh but see okay here you are being bad faith again I even with the caveat even with the caveat I think that I will be attractive I will be even more attractive at 36 I think I will because I think but the way you said that like
03:22:32
Brian Atlasyou said yes I think older women are attractive that's not the question that I was asking I'm not asking if you'll be attractive at I'm sorry that I'm not saying the way that if you ask a dumb question you're getting a dumb response
03:22:44
Arsonit's not a dumb question I think that I will be I think that I will be more attractive at 306 how is it a dumb I think what she's saying based off of knowing that older women are attractive and she's going to reach that age that
03:22:56
Arsonshe thinks is attractive attrative it was just basically a long answer for a short answer you because what message are you trying to spread right now you're trying to spread like ha to the world and like
03:23:07
Angelaself-esteem issues into women like how is that how is that hateful can I answer like I don't think it's hate I think that when it comes to an objective standard as we've been talking about in a commercial world where people are
03:23:18
Angelabasically ranked in this very emotionally detached way 26 is obviously more attractive than 36 but I think once again hearkening back to the olden times I think 36 tends to be more of a actually beautiful age mostly because at that point that's your wife that's the
03:23:31
Arsonmother of your children that's someone that you've aged with that's someone that you've invested time in okay it is currently the 20th century um okay 26 is your final answer
03:23:40
Arsonno 26 yes because I am still young um when you're older yeah you tend to okay but to the point though like let's assume you're just single like mhm yes maybe your husband still thinks you're
03:23:53
Brian Atlasbeautiful or thinks you're more beautiful than when he met you 10 years ago again guys please try to be good faith it's a very simple question no I 100% think I would still be more
03:24:03
Brian Atlasattractive as a 26y old than a 36 21 so I'm just asking 10 years from now will you be more attractive in 10 years than you are now starting with you so you
03:24:13
Brian Atlassaid yes okay Kayla uh yes into the mic yes yes more attractive no no I think I'm more attractive as a 21 year old than I would be so Kayla more attractive
03:24:24
Arsonyou Kayla you're 21 more attractive right now okay so you'll be okay okay I think I would be more attractive in 10 years because within the span of time I can work out more I can eat healthy I can do a skincare I
03:24:38
Ariana/Jules/Carmencan do this I can do that I will look better in 10 years okay um I think that when I'm 31 I'll be more attractive more attractive what about
03:24:46
TTSyou um if I get my BBL probably oh that's a whole another topic $100 that's why Brian hum These Hoes oh
03:24:57
Kaylawell we should be nice guys but um that's wild that is actually wild says the inel that donated oh for $200 to say
03:25:07
Brian Atlasthat shots fired all right fors appreciate the uh TTS um okay so you said BBL you get the BBL you think if I get a BBL I think I'll be more attractive in 10 years you think
03:25:19
Arsonthat's that make you more attrative I'm not going to get one like do you guys like bbls I'm not sure about just come from Mexico and IBL no I'd rather work out cancer feel like working out doesn't I
03:25:31
Arsonfeel like guys are more interested in Natural Body
03:25:37
Skyfemales I would find myself more attractive now or if I was in 10 years right I'm just saying I might find myself more attractive if I do get a BBL for myself period end the story cancer
03:25:50
Brian Atlasthis is just kind of the debate of like you know the the inward versus the outward opinion but um I mean I don't know about you Jake but like a BBL can only make a girl less attractive for me
03:26:03
Brian AtlasI don't care if she had a flat butt before I prefer a girl with a flat butt than a a b they just look don't you guys think they look r there's no such thing as a good BBL I'm
03:26:15
Jakesorry if you don't even know that it's there you would know how would you know just honestly natural B they look more natural than like I've been in Mexico recently and they look absolutely
03:26:26
Arsonridiculous especially when they were on like fat girls so when y'all asked when y'all asked me the question I said that I would work out I would eat healthy I would do skincare whatever y'all were like okay cool no no no we were going to we were going to come back at we had
03:26:39
Arsonthat up here but then she's talking about else for herself which has nothing to do with every anybody else or what they think that's end of story okay Miss girl pop off next on on your point though if why would you need to do skincare and all that if you're going to
03:26:51
Arsonlook more beautiful what what do you mean no I'm saying the reason why I'm going to look more beautiful is because I'm going to take those or do those things over the course of 10 years so you think that if you do skincare and
03:27:03
Arsonyou keep your skin looking relatively like how it is now in 10 years time you'll look you'll be more attractive well I'm saying allog together like working out eating healthy cuz I don't eat that healthy like come on now I don't eat that healthy I don't work out
03:27:15
Brian Atlasbut the Crux of the question is not like well I could do all these behavioral changes and then in 10 years I can have a glow up it's let's say you're at your best now
03:27:25
Arsoncompared to your best at 31 I will be at my best at 31 okay please bear with me this is going to sound like an annoying non-answer but I feel like again we're having the Clashing of ideals of like beauty
03:27:37
Brian Atlasstandards and stuff like I would feel perfectly fine at 34 because like not the question you might you're welcome to feel perfectly fine at 34 but that's not
03:27:49
Arsonthe question I'm not finished your time I'm 34 I would be much more my natural self right now I have dyed hair I have eyelash extensions I would probably dress more like an actual mature person and I think right
03:28:00
Brian Atlasnow my style is more I don't know chaotic I don't think it's very mature I think in 10 years from now I would be more attractive so what if you made those if you made all
03:28:10
Brian Atlasof those um changes within the next month do you think you would be all those things you listed you know your hair was natural whatever whatever would
03:28:22
Brian Atlasyou comparing yourself at what is it you're 24 is it yeah 24 to 34 I still feel like I would be more attractive more physically attractive okay what
03:28:32
Brian Atlasabout you uh you're 22 correct yeah I'd say like I'd be more attractive now okay what about you I'll say 26 and you're
03:28:43
Brian Atlaswait you're 26 right okay here I want to double down on this more attractive now or in 20 years this is the last round of this one
03:28:54
Arsondefinitely in now okay what about you in 20 years cuz I'm a fairy I know magic and I'll look like this forever 20 years you you'll be more attractive in 20
03:29:05
Arsonyears okay I'll be more attractive now yeah definitely right now definitely not
03:29:15
Ariana/Jules/CarmenI don't know I just have seen my mother and my sister age so well that I think that in 20 years I'll I'll be fine again but that's not the question I'm not asking you may very well be your 20 correct yes you may very well still be
03:29:28
Brian Atlasattractive at 40 years old but that's not the question so what's the question sorry the question is will you be more attractive at 40 than you are now at 20 40 bear in mind everybody ages that has
03:29:40
Brian Atlascertain impact on your skin it has certain impact on wrinkles for example so old oh maybe maybe now maybe 20 okay what about you you can get a BBL at 40 I
03:29:50
Brian Atlasguess no I now okay yeah comparatively did 20 20 years ago now better okay no no I'm de so to be clear if we were to like and I we can't really draw this but
03:30:02
Brian Atlasso those of you who answered well I'll be better looking at 30 but worse at 40 than you are now so basically like you you're starting you're starting here and then you're
03:30:13
Brian Atlasgoing wait you're starting here then you're going up to 30 and then you're going down like that's a little confusing to me wouldn't it just be 20
03:30:24
Kayla30 40 wouldn't that make more sense yes I've heard that your 30s are like your best years who said that I don't know I've just heard that before because that's when like after you're like 20s
03:30:36
Kaylalike you are struggling going through college you're broker but then question though maybe your life is better at 30 so then that reflects on how you look like you're doing well off like if I'm
03:30:48
Kaylaeating Ramen all night every single day for like no she do have a point speak the if I'm eating Ramen like only for like 5 years straight during college do you do you think like do you think a 20-year-old who's just eating Ramen in
03:31:00
Kaylacollege is going to be worse looking than their future self at 40 who's like on a fantastic diet yeah really see even if you're even if you're like at like 20
03:31:12
Ravenlike if I'm taking horrible care of myself right now I look like [ __ ] okay but as you get older like you lose fat in your face like your eyes will get hollowed out right you'll lose the fat right here you'll get wrinkles you'll
03:31:25
Ravenget you know sagging skin you'll get a turkey neck like there's a lot of issues that come with aging and I think the point that he's trying to make is like you don't get you don't get more beautiful and that's the point that he's
03:31:36
Raventrying to make to you guys cuz you guys work in an industry where your beauty like I and and I think it's not really like posed this way to kind of like like
03:31:45
Ravenin in in a better way I think it could be um is that your industry you're losing you're depreciating like your value you're not going to get you're not
03:31:56
Angelagoing to get more value I think honestly like there's obviously women in their 30s and their 40s that are beautiful but I think at that age you're not supposed to be seen as sexually attractive I think at that point that's basically
03:32:07
Angelalike there's a level of respect there where it's like we don't see women in that age bracket as sexual because they're supposed to be mothers at that point that's not that's not even the argument that's not even really the argument I'm trying to make I think
03:32:19
Brian Atlaspeople are confusing improving weight and health with being more attractive and we're referring to the attractive attractiveness of age not other factors if you were your best weight and health
03:32:31
Brian Atlasat 25 you would be more attractive than your best weight and health at 35 if you I mean there's no way around that if it's your best health at 25
03:32:41
Brian Atlasversus your best weight and health at 35 and you think you're more physically attractive at 35 that just it doesn't compute because because of the because of Aging so you're saying just naturally
03:32:53
Brian Atlasyeah int you're okay what's going on is you're conflating your like not anyone specifically but you're conflating like a a young woman who's overweight and
03:33:03
Brian Atlasunhealthy they're unhealthy selves at 25 to their potentially improved weight and health at 35 but that's equal comparison doesn't prove anything about the innate attractiveness of age okay so you're
03:33:15
Arsonjust saying naturally then yeah like like naturally intend years are naturally subtracting the youthfulness like your youthful or subtracting putting in any effort to change your appearance naturally can we can we agree on this that
03:33:29
Brian Atlaslike everybody here at this table is compared to in 40 years MH we're all at our Peak attractiveness now compared to how we're going to look in 40 years can
03:33:40
Meowwe agree on that yes yeah I I I just I personally don't just because personally in my preference I like older women like if I'm talking about the the female Beauty standard I am attracted to older
03:33:51
Meowwomen I just saw Pamela Anderson at at Paris fashion week and she wore no makeup and I was like oh my God I want to look like that in 50 can we put our socials in the chat for she's 40 no oh
03:34:02
Brian AtlasPamela Anderson is 50 you think Pamela Anderson is like do you think Mo here here's a different question do you think most people will would agree with you that she's more attractive now than she
03:34:11
Meowwas bayat what 20 20 years ago 30 years ago no bayw watch pem or I never I didn't I didn't watch bayw watch I I didn't I wasn't familiar with her work whenever she was younger doesn't that's
03:34:22
Meowbut you you think most people would find her more attractive now than oh like like like statistically I'm sure I I know I'm an odd one out for finding older women like stimulatingly
03:34:33
Brian Atlasattractive like I know I'm the odd one out okay but this is like a very like self-centered way to like view the conversation while you may very well
03:34:43
Brian Atlasfind older women attractive if we're having like a generalized conversation like it's you're you're finding it difficult to step outside of like your
03:34:54
Meowsort of solipsistic worldview and try to look at well what what is generally the truth well I I suppose I I assumed showing like coming up here that it was to bring my my worldview in the way that
03:35:06
MeowI think about things to the situation just like everybody and so I thought it was more collaborative like oh that's what you think oh word well why do you think that okay I mean like whatever what do you think I thought it was more and I here's the thing I don't object to
03:35:18
Brian Atlasyou having like your Nuance to view and I don't disagree that you may very that you individually might view older women as more physically attractive I'm not countering you on that but when we're
03:35:30
Brian Atlassaying generally speaking people will view it like this like and you're not you're not not willing to engage with like a general
03:35:43
Meowconversation that's where it gets complicated well I just thought that having my own opinion was being a part of the conversation I didn't mean to intentionally like impose any like uh anything wild I I just thought that it
03:35:55
Brian Atlaswas to bring up like to bring everybody's bringing their own thoughts to the conversation but okay if we're having a conversation where if we're saying if if there's a bunch of people at the table
03:36:05
Brian Atlasand we all say the sky is blue but one person is colorblind for example and they say well the sky looks great to me MH well that's not the actual truth of
03:36:16
Jakewhat is okay but you didn't ask her the objective like like he actually kind of did though because when you ask do you think you'll be more attractive it's not do you think in your in your own purview
03:36:27
Jakelike depending on what you're attracted to that you'll be more attractive but to do you think when I asked when you say if someone ask me Jake um do you think you'll be more attractive in 20 years instantly I'm going to think well you
03:36:40
Jakeknow men they do tend to get a little bit more attractive as they get older what would Society view view me as that sort of thing I'm not going to think when I look at myself in the mirror what what do I think that's what I thought wait wait wait wait let me I want to
03:36:51
Brian Atlasaddress your thing so I am de facto referring to people's outward assessment of who who you guys are what is
03:37:01
Brian Atlasattractiveness if you were the only person left on Earth to be attractive there there that's an that's a the framework is
03:37:11
Brian Atlasthere has to be someone external something external to be able to deem you as attractive no absolutely so if you're the only person on Earth quite frankly your attractiveness has become
03:37:22
Brian Atlastotally irrelevant it's no longer important so just by virtue of me asking the question of course it's about the external reality MH no absolutely I'm not debating you on that but like I feel like I took the question and I feel like
03:37:36
Jakethey all took the question as like how would you view yourself versus and I think you could oppose that that question how would you kind of telling though you know because if you ask a group of men that and it's not like I'm not judging or anything but if you ask a group of men that they're not going to
03:37:48
Jakethink like about themselves they're going to they're going to be thinking like on a more sort of logical and objective basis and I guess that's why we have these conversations cuz it's interesting to say the different yeah but I think a lot of like the back and forth and a lot of like the issues are a
03:38:00
Brian Atlaslot of just like I think just miscommunication I yeah but so in order to be attractive there needs to be an other right so that would imply that
03:38:12
Brian Atlassomebody outside of you is making the judgment is making the value call is rank ordering you okay isn't that what attractiveness is somebody outside of you has to make some sort of
03:38:24
Brian Atlasdetermination on that so again I mean you guys are saying you'll be more some of you are saying you'll be more attractive in 10 years you'll be more attractive in 20 years typically speaking when it comes to aging and I think this applies to both men and women
03:38:35
Brian Atlasas we age there's just a certain biological reality to aging where as we age we are less physically attractive so but I do want to the last thing on this I want to come back to you
03:38:47
Brian Atlasyou you asserted that this line of questioning was was hateful and I'd like you to provent provide some evidence for how it's hateful because I mean this this it occurs to me that this is a uh
03:39:00
Arsonwell what you're trying to make us all what you're trying to make us all feel like right now make you feel any sort way I'm having whether you're trying to or not it does it makes us it's opening our brain to realize oh you're going to
03:39:13
Arsonget uglier as you age that's how you all want us all to feel right now but don't you think that's that's not like a crazy thing to say that's that's pretty yes that is that is is like the opposite of
03:39:23
Brian Atlasbody positivity well I'm not I think I've been very uh diplomatic in the way I've phrasing things not my reality well okay I'm i' never called any of you ugly and I think I said all of you yeah you
03:39:36
Jakestraight up called her ugly bro like a little while ago like you're not a 10 yeah said you're not a 10 so you think somebody's not a 10 is ugly you think that's that's not me calling her ugly well you're it felt means
03:39:49
Meowspirited I'll be it felt targeted and mean spirited just simply because I said that specifically he could have meant you're a 9.5 not a 10 yeah so I didn't take it negatively but I understand why you would have felt that energy because
03:40:00
RavenI yeah but that's I mean that's just erroneous erroneous making everybody defensive like I'm like I think we just need to differentiate of like objective jective like what you mean by like okay
03:40:12
Ravenwell what do you rate yourself I'd rate myself this she might rate you know the world might rate me that and I'm just saying like I think that's important to differentiate because I think interes to see how people interpret the question though it's
03:40:24
Jakenot without not even like you can have even two sides on that technically so do you do you think that it's an offensive thing to say if you say to somebody you're going to get less attractive as you get older yes you think that's a hateful thing to say definitely and if
03:40:36
Jakeyou think and you think it's also a hateful thing to say to say somebody that you're not a 10 100% but why are you valuing what they say about you on a second no therapy I'm now just like hold
03:40:48
Arsonon a second now so you think that that's that's um like an unreasonable thing to say why what do you mean why that creates negative emotions in people it creates self-esteem issues you're trying to give
03:41:01
Jakeeveryone self-esteem problems we're not trying to do anything if I was to say to you you're you're going to get really ugly as you get older that might be a little bit of a self-esteem problem or if I was to say to you you're a two that would be a
03:41:14
Jakeself-esteem problem but if I'm pointing out to you the objective reality that as human beings get older we get less attractive I don't know what you're BR you think that an 80-year-old is is is more attractive than a 25y old girl
03:41:27
Brian Atlasthat's not even thought I just want to bring you call me girl sorry that's just how that's how I talk that's how that's my I want just on your conversational
03:41:35
Brian Atlasthread here so I mean do you think comparing say do you care about looks in a guy at all like you care
03:41:45
Arsonabout their physical appearance yes like would you date a no Beast guy no oh would you date a guy who but I want to tell them to their face or bring it up on the internet or like sure and I agree
03:41:57
Brian AtlasI wouldn't just like walk up to some girl and like in the street and be like you're a five I wouldn't do that but when like we're having a panel discussion on dating I think it's a that has nothing to do with like any kind of
03:42:10
Brian Atlasdating stuff though it's well it's actually very related to dating and I can get into it in a bit but okay so I mean you've already determined that you would not date a guy if he was morbidly obese so that's you making a v why isn't he a 10 for you why would you not date
03:42:23
Arsonhim why are you allowed to make a judgment call on a man's physical appearance but men aren't that's not what I'm saying I mean you can have your own personal
03:42:32
Arsonpreference but to go around and like lay like I wouldn't sit down like 10 obese people and be like you're fat that you're lazy like like what but to be fair the only reason why we brought up
03:42:45
Arsonanything about men is because it was questions you asked if that makes sense what yeah I'm the host of the podcast I tend to ask questions you know saying that like she gets to talk about it well
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Meowit was a question like they rated themselves yeah asking what we rate ourselves and then it feels like it's like you're not like taking what we say seriously cuz it feels as though it's oh well you should feel this way because of objective truth and it's like well the
03:43:09
Brian Atlasoriginal question was just how do you see yourself let me ask you guys we'll talk about that so let me ask you guys a question do any of the girls here know a guy who thinks he's hot [ __ ] but he's
03:43:18
Brian Atlasactually not yes who are you who are you who are you to not affirm his belief of how he feels about himself you you ought
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Brian Atlasto be compelled one to be attracted to him and to date him and to sleep with him because he thinks he's hot [ __ ] and he's a 10 you're not entitled to your own view no because they when when all
03:43:40
Arsonthose men that think they're hot whatever will make you feel less than so they they will so it's only problem when men do it I see no no that's not what I'm saying but I'm sure you all know guys who think they're I know dudes who
03:43:53
Brian Atlasthink they're hot [ __ ] like they're actually not and like the difference is though like reality tends to slap these dudes in the face a little more than than when it comes to women and I can get into why but look we all I'm sure
03:44:06
Brian Atlasyou'd prefer to date a guy who's taller than you correct mhm that's you making a a a value call a value judgment based off of a physical characteristic a trait okay and your point is I would
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Angelaalso say that when the question was posed it's more a reflection of if you get defensive Brian's not making you feel defensive it's just you haven't made peace with a cc reality exactly what he's doing what no I get I get what she's saying here going back to the
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Arsonquestion though so when it comes to a guy would you date an 80-year-old hell no why that's I just book because of not AES there's what I have
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Arsonto talk about with him he's going talk about his crossw puzzles and S what if he likes My Chemical Romance and see that's not going to happen and I don't even like them no you don't you
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Arsondon't like My Chemical Romance that's the most upsetting thing I've heard all night no I don't even know well no I I know that scene too but I I don't really like that music it's too it's is doesn't vibrate so the primary reason you wouldn't want to date an 80-year-old
03:45:07
Arsonit's not because they're super old looking it's because you guys wouldn't have things literally one of my best friends literally my one of my best friends is like 45 it's literally based off the character of like who he is like and I
03:45:19
Arsonhang out with him almost like every other day but so like I literally I don't feel like age is like that crazy you know what I mean like it's l like who you are do you think do you think
03:45:29
Brian Atlasit's a biological reality as Jake was saying that over time people age and with aging typically you over time become less physically attractive
03:45:40
Arsonit really depends cuz his girlfriend right now is like like super young so it's like really if you just have enough raise it like you could really like you know rise up a lot of people it just
03:45:51
Arsondepends if you have swag like that but statistically speaking think old with like Mega Riz is is yeah imagine they're like some dope ass artist or something like girls like want to be around that
03:46:03
Brian Atlasstuff you know what I mean think they're typically picking up on I old I think like the average the like 21-year-old college girl I don't care how much RZ the 80-year-old dude is
03:46:15
Brian Atlaslike has she would probably prefer a data guy like who's like within her age range who's just like a normal dude like generalizing and that's not my reality so I don't know no but that's
03:46:27
Arsonjust statistical fact that's just the reality I don't know where you're getting the statistics from but I don't pay attention to them like ask I don't know basically she's saying that she just lives in her delusional world
03:46:39
Angelathat's it say that just I would say that yeah it's like you're sort of in in your bubble because it's like by the environment that you've been in you've been kind of comfortable in there and I think what Brian's trying to attempt is to pull you out of it so that way you can kind of have some self-awareness but
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Angelaat the same time women are fundamentally emotional creatures and that's why rules were made in place so that way comments on their appearance on their age were never brought up because and also you guys are 80% of the consumer market so all the advertisers advertising at you
03:47:04
Arsontelling you what you want to hear giving us a delusion yeah it's a problem exactly is this like a agree to disagree two plus two can be n it is an agree to
03:47:14
Brian Atlasdisagree or is it which is way better than or is it we definitely right and we just totally disregard your points of view on this I like agree to disagree
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Arsoncan agree can I so I I think men find sorry I think men base attractiveness also off of like age in relation to like fertility because like
03:47:36
Arsonmen instinctively want to reproduce right yes absolutely I think that is a big thing that will like key into their attractiveness and like CR was saying when women are in their 30s we feel more um human and less sexualized and
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Angelaobjectified but also men have the same the same kind of like timeline not as fixed as women because there's obviously a cuto off point with women but alpacino alino the one who well then she left him because she got the
03:48:02
Angelaresources as a child and immediately filed for divorce and it's like even in those instances it's like Men start to struggle with Ed they start to struggle with fertility issues the the quality of the stuff isn't as strong so the child's
03:48:12
Angelagoing to have birth defects so there's a there's a value of sexual Vitality that's valued in both sexes and that's why we tend to want to aim for people in our age range basically and that's why
03:48:24
Angelamen tend to shoot for lower well it's it's more so like women want a man who's a little bit older than her typically just because of his experience his wisdom he can provide more protection but it's still like within 5 years statistically last thing on the looks
03:48:37
Brian Atlasthing and then we're going to switch gears with a different topic so an estimated 10% of men on dating apps are being pursued by the overwhelming majority of women who are on these dating apps most of whom I would argue
03:48:49
Brian Atlasare trying to date well above what their looks prospects and personalities warrant so this is why I do think and and why I tend to push back on this rating thing and it's not to be mean but
03:49:01
Brian Atlasit's actually to guide women and here's why and you might think oh Brian blah blah blah you you want to hate women no what I see happening is if women are so
03:49:12
Brian Atlasgassed up on their if they have a false self assessment of their own physical appearance and just um trying to think the best way to phrase this if a woman
03:49:24
Brian Atlashas a false false self assessment of her own physical appearance and she's super gassed up then she's going to if she thinks she's a 10 then she's going to
03:49:33
Brian Atlasstart curving guys who are actually on her level and she's going to think she deserves or is entitled to a certain caliber of man that's never going to give her commitment that's never going to give her a ring that's never going to