TRIGGERED Demonic Blood Witch E-Girl Puts A CURSE On The Podcast?! | Dating Talk #133
Date: 2024-02-05
Duration: 6h 24m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS(audience)
SPEAKER_01Production(audience)
SPEAKER_02Ariana/Jules/Carmen(guest)
SPEAKER_03Sky(guest)
SPEAKER_04Arson(guest)
SPEAKER_05Kayla(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Jake(guest)
SPEAKER_08Meow(guest)
SPEAKER_09Kiki(audience)
SPEAKER_10Angela(guest)
SPEAKER_12Raven(guest)
SPEAKER_13Bri(guest)
Key Moments
00:02:41
IntroArson introduces herself; reveals her government name is actually Arson and she makes portable flamethrowers.
“my name's arson um I'm 24 is that your government name that's my government name”
00:03:58
IntroMeow introduces herself as a dog (purple Dalmatian) who lives the dog-girl lifestyle full-time.
“my name is meow like a cat but I am a dog and I'm 27 I'm from the USA and I'm a twitch live streamer”
01:39:34
Key MomentArson describes 4-year relationship with a videographer whose leg was amputated and put on backwards to function as a new knee joint.
“it was like left amputated and like put on backwards and then like the foot joint now acts as a knee joint”
01:40:20
ControversyArson recounts sex injury that sent her to the ER: used kitchen knife for blood-play on second meeting, deep laceration required ER visit, which is how they fell in love.
“we used a freaking kitchen knife and it was so dull and tried to do like a tiny cut and it wouldn't work and I just grabbed my leg and he just went once really fast”
02:03:02
Key MomentJake Australia arrives to the show, having driven through flooding rainstorms.
“good evening everybody good evening nice to meet you how you all doing Jake we're going to be leg to leg here”
02:06:00
Key MomentArson shows she is wearing diapers on-show; reveals her current boyfriend gave her a perineal tear from sex that required diapers and lidocaine jelly for a week.
“I had to wear diapers for a week and why is that so I do only fans my boyfriend and I were just practicing some things”
02:33:20
ControversyBrian challenges Meow on her dog-girl identity, asking whether a traditional man could accept a dog-girl partner and whether the lifestyle is a sexual kink.
“when you say 11 do you are you thinking about it in in your eyes or are you thinking about it in like the broader Society”
02:39:00
Key MomentSelf-ratings round begins. Meow rates herself 11/10.
“well we'll start with you and then we'll go around the table go ahead 10 um maybe like a seven eight okay closer”
04:48:07
ControversyArson pulls a syringe filled with blood from her bag on-show, claiming it is a token of her manifestation from blood rituals performed the previous night.
“there was a syringe okay gosh that's what I was just drawing it up in you just did a you did this at the table no I keep it on me as a token of my manifestation”
04:52:10
Key MomentJake warns Arson about the dangers of blood rituals and occult practices, saying she is tapping into dark spiritual energy.
“I would urge you girls to be very careful with what you she us she used to take menstrual blood also yeah you guys I'm sorry you might think it's a bit of fun you're going into something that's pretty dark”
04:55:00
Key MomentAngela explains Arson's cult/witchcraft behavior as a manifestation of emotional intensity and desire for control, comparing it to historical blood goddess worship.
“what you're calling delusional is basically you being a very emotionally intense person where you want that true love”
05:12:40
Key MomentAngela argues that Arson's blood magic and cult behavior is ultimately self-harm used to gain an illusion of control.
“drawing your own blood is a form of self harm so it's like you're ultimately hurting yourself to gain control over a situation”
05:15:40
Key MomentBody count round: Bri reveals body count of 6 (was dating from age 17-22).
“literally um I was dating someone for 5 Years From 17 to 22 so mine is only six”
05:16:10
Key MomentBody count round: Arson says she lost count and estimates somewhere between 30 and 200+.
“I lost track honestly I don't know I literally have absolutely no clue if it would be like 30 100 or over that like I have no clue”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Introductions and relationship status
Guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Brian goes around the table on relationship status, demisexuality, femcel identity.
00:15:00
Alternative / subculture dating struggles
Discussion on dating within the alt/e-girl subculture. Arson describes herself as femcel. Meow discusses dog-girl lifestyle and voluntary celibacy. Panel discusses whether alt aesthetic attracts or repels healthy partners.
01:38:20
Arson's relationship history and ER incidents
Arson details 4-year relationship with videographer who became addicted to Percs and had leg amputated and reversed. ER visit from blood-play injury during their second meeting. Hooked via trauma bond.
01:55:00
Mental health, diagnosis, and medication
Raven shares she was told at 16 she would be institutionalized for life; recovered after moving out at 18. Debate on legitimacy of bipolar/BPD diagnoses. Arson acknowledges bipolar-like symptoms and credits them as creative fuel.
02:03:02
Jake Australia arrives and joins panel
Jake (Rattlesnake TV) arrives after driving through flooding storm. Brian introduces him; Jake joins the table.
02:04:14
Ivory (Ariana) pre-show notes discussion
Brian goes through Ariana's pre-show notes: exotic dancer + OnlyFans, perineal tear from sexual encounter requiring diapers for a week, basketball team history at University of Portland, ex who still requests $40 via Venmo, leaning Trump.
02:11:40
Men as demons / toxic relationship patterns
Arson describes modern dating as a scam and men as demons. Angela and Brian note pattern of Arson attracting emotionally unavailable men due to her own unresolved emotional needs.
02:21:40
Meow's dog-girl lifestyle debate
Extended discussion of Meow's dog-girl identity. Jake questions whether it is a sexual kink; Meow denies it. Angela raises cognitive dissonance between wanting a traditional man and presenting as a dog. Brian asks what breed Meow is (lavender Dalmatian).
02:27:20
Feminist and political identity round
Brian asks each guest: are you a feminist? Political leaning? Responses range from feminist/liberal (Meow) to anti-feminist/monarchy (Angela) to apolitical. Arson declines feminist label and is apolitical.
02:39:00
Physical attractiveness / self-rating round
Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10. Meow rates herself 11, Bri rates 10, Arson 10, Sky 7, Raven 4, Jake 7, Brian 5. Debate on whether self-ratings are objective.
04:48:00
Arson's cult and blood rituals
Arson reveals she leads a group of like-minded women she calls a cult, focused on world liberation and domination. Monthly Airbnb meetings with spell-casting and blood pacts. Pulled a syringe from her bag on-show as a token of manifestation. Jake warns against occult practices. Angela offers psychological analysis.
05:08:20
Body count and mate value debate
Extended panel debate on whether body count affects women's value as a partner. Jake and Angela argue Chastity is a male value preference. Brian argues it is not hypocritical to desire in a partner what you don't possess.
05:15:00
Body count round
Brian goes around table asking body counts. Bri: 6. Arson/Arson-label: 30-200+ (lost count). Sky: ~9. Raven: undisclosed. Angela: undisclosed. Jake: 4. Lesie: 4. Ariana: ~30. Others declined or gave ranges.
06:18:20
Kayla's before/after style transformation
Brian shows before/after photos of Kayla from when she was homeless and kicked out vs. her current alt style. Discussion on how freedom from restrictive home led to her aesthetic expression.
Transcript
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03:49:47
Brian Atlasgive her a long-term relationship so what you have happening is typically there's a percentage of men that are basically monopolizing a large not this isn't playing out in all relationship Dynamics but you have a small percentage
03:49:58
Brian Atlasof men that have basically multiple girlfriends at the same time that you're never going to get commitment they're just you're going to be in the Perpetual situationships you're going to jump from dick to dick to dick and here's the thing will gladly sleep like say a guy's
03:50:11
Brian Atlasa 10 right and I know you guys kind of object to these uh rank order things but a guy who's a 10 will sleep with a girl who's a six he's never going to commit to her but he'll keep her around for sex
03:50:23
Brian Atlasso as a woman it's very important to have a reasonable and accurate self assessment of your own physical attractiveness and your value in the dating Marketplace otherwise you're just going to keep getting you're just going
03:50:36
Brian Atlasto keep getting [ __ ] by these dudes who have no interest in long-term commitment meanwhile the guys who are actually on your level who are prepared to give you monogamous relationships who
03:50:47
Brian Atlaswill be dutiful and good boyfriends you don't actually even though they're on your level they're on your whether it's socioeconomic status whether it's physical appearance you're going to curve the dudes who again on your level
03:50:59
Brian Atlasyou'd think you're settling for them and if you do end up with them you're going to treat them like [ __ ] because you think you're settling you think they're you're you're above them you think they're below you and that's the big thing I see in the dating Marketplace a lot of these chicks are chasing after
03:51:11
Brian Atlasthese top tier dudes these top tier dudes just want [ __ ] they ain't ever going to give you commitment and so if you're gassed up and think you're hot [ __ ] but you're not here's the thing a guy will sleep with here's the
03:51:22
Brian Atlasdifference between men and women in order for women to sleep with a guy that guy needs to be at least physically attractive enough for you to be in a relationship with him and women will
03:51:32
Brian Atlasproject that onto men you'll think well if he's sleeping with me he must con be considering me he must think I'm attractive enough to be in a relationship but just on the physical
03:51:42
Brian Atlasattractiveness metric alone a guy will sleep with you but just on that so thing he'll keep you around for sex but he will never give you commitment and that's a big difference so a dude who's really attractive he'll [ __ ] a girl
03:51:55
Angelawho's less attractive than him but he'll never give her a relationship can I comment sure so I think when it comes to feminism that's a point that I do put in your favor where it's very much a turnoff when it's like
03:52:07
Angelawomen are basically saying like oh I'm beautiful I'm the standard I'm a 10 but then when they look at men where it's like they might be slightly balding they might be a little bit chubby or whatever they then discard him and treat him like some sort of um parasite or whatever so
03:52:19
Angelaon that point it's like once again I hearken back to the fact that you can't just value a man number one for his physical appearance and also to have which brings me to my next point this
03:52:30
Angelasociety which basically primes women to hate men basically every facet of society is designed to make us think like for example gueston from Beauty and the Beast did you watch that one video where it's like you know gastan is actually the good guy and that you know the Beast was actually the bad guy
03:52:43
Angelabecause the Beast was like all of these emotional toxic I haven't seen it but I know I know Beauty and the Beast Yeah so gastan basically is the type of man who's strong bold he has he's proposing to Belle he wants to give her the world but he's considered the bad guy in the
03:52:56
Angelamovie and this is something little girls watch so it's like from the beginning of Womanhood you're basically denigrating men in every facet of Academia mainstream media so when a woman sees a man with good qualities there's something in her brain that
03:53:07
Arsonautomatically Associates that person person with villainous intent that's a very good point I just wanted to come back to what Brian said because he actually said the most valid thing that I've heard him say so far because what he's basically saying is that and it
03:53:20
Arsonkind of shows like I feel like it's kind of shown through this podcast a little bit lately um but if you're not self-aware of how you're P perceived to other people then you're going to get used and ran over I feel like that kind
03:53:33
Arsonof leads into whichever one of you was saying you get rejected quite a bit Miss girl it's yeah it kind of ties into the fact that you think you're you're rejecting these men that are in your league maybe
03:53:45
Arsonbecause you think you deserve or are going to be specific yeah in a higher bracket when in all reality these men that are coming to you and you're rejecting those are the type of men in that
03:53:57
Brian Atlasare if I can address that you mentioned you mentioned like out of someone's league right so here's the difference if a guy who's like in a lower league tries to shoot his shot at like a more
03:54:09
Brian Atlasattractive woman she's not going to look at him and be like well I can get easy sex from him no like it's an instant rejection whereas women get rejected on the back
03:54:20
Brian Atlasend you get rejected after a guy's [ __ ] you a couple times or just once so like you can women can like try to get with like we all want to get the
03:54:31
Brian Atlasbest we can get right the difference is is men typically can't get anything they can't get anything from a girl who's outside of his league but a girl can get sex from a guy who's outside of her
03:54:44
Brian Atlasleague and that's where women get into trouble and I don't like to I don't like to see it I don't like to see women getting played and like getting used by like passed around by these dudes and look I I do put some on on men like I don't think dudes me personally I'm not
03:54:58
Brian Atlasinterested in just running through a bunch of chicks I much rather have a continuity with a girl if I want to sleep with the girl I want to keep seeing her I'm not interested in a one night stand but like a lot of men who are a B to sleep with a lot of women
03:55:10
Ravendon't move like that so that makes a lot of sense yeah so yeah and as somebody who is like related to one of the guys
03:55:18
Raventhat you know uh prays upon women like you um can I just say that having very low self-esteem and also have having way
03:55:28
Raventoo high self-esteem are like the two that go together can I just say that like you like if you hate yourself like oh my gosh I don't care like I'll take whoever um I just want to be loved
03:55:40
Ravenyou're also gonna he like he's coming for you but if you're also like I'm the best person in the world I love myself so much like you can't do anything to make me think otherwise he's also coming for you and you're both going to get
03:55:51
Ravenmistreated so it's like and honestly I think when you have that higher inflated ego it's even worse right because no man's going to come in like like if you
03:56:02
Ravenhave a a low self look still cuz I mean we're talking about everything but also just the way that you present yourself like just ver oh my
03:56:10
Ravengosh like uh I guess like having that inflated ego okay it's but I mean men like him are looking for you and that's what they look for they look for low
03:56:22
Ravenself-esteem or extremely high self-esteem because a lot of the times extremely high self-esteem is just a big mask you know because you have very low
03:56:32
Brian Atlasself-esteem Let's uh yeah switch gears here um we have Jeremiah Jenkins for you to have a cork and new response is fine it's when he asks you a specific question and looking for your answer and you can't comprehend it it makes you
03:56:44
Brian Atlasunintelligent not the question itself not sure who this is directed to Jeremiah Jenkins dude uh appreciate this I think this is your first time chatting thank you man appreciate the patronage thank you for the uh submitting the uh Super Chat man thanks uh all right we're
03:56:57
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03:57:22
Brian Atlasgez there there's so many pre-show notes Here uh and I do want to try to give everybody a chance uh okay we're we I think we got everything there sorry guys
03:57:31
Brian AtlasI'm just getting this caught up we did we did Stiffler right um okay we did that uh
03:57:41
Brian Atlassorry guys one sec I'm getting my notes here where do we go hold on guys sorry guys there's I have too many notes I actually I'm gonna
03:57:52
Brian Atlasbring it no I'm G save it for later I'll save that for later okay we have Angelica's grass uh you do ASMR videos that's cool you've dated Anarchist disenchanted Catholic Italian a
03:58:03
Brian Atlasrepublican Baptist atheist liberal communist niist TW twice your age um women's strength long ago that was yeah what is ASMR it's like um have we been through this already it's like like
03:58:16
Brian Atlasthat's sort of like sounds in your ears basically it's like supposed to relax you or whatever oh like is in like the things that people listen to when they get to bed yes okay let me actually ask this I want to just go around the table
03:58:27
Brian Atlason this starting with zomri zre um does anybody here having have a dating something dating related they'd like to get off their chest starting with you
03:58:41
Arsonwhoa whoa whoa pull up that comment pull it back up I don't know can I go last I can't think of anything sure anything dating related you want to get off your chest oh my goodness I've never talked about dating
03:58:53
Arsonstuff like this for so long like this is such a a conversation that like I don't even try to be involved with anymore like straight up femo Vibes for for right now like
03:59:07
Meowshoot I think that the porn industry erodes intimacy and undermines interpersonal relationships in every facet and I think a massive factor of
03:59:16
Kaylamodern dating yeah I agree with that you know do only fans but I can't change the whole like history you said you you do only fans
03:59:27
Jakebut you agree with that yes but like I can't destroy porn is still going to be made so you think that just because something exists and it's if it's inherently negative then you have to be a part of it I'm just trying to make enough money to my mom mom not homeless
03:59:39
Arsonon the street you have to do that doing only fans though yes I mean what can I do right now I'm already in school like working 40 a week you don't make enough money to barely eat like what right right but like there are other ways that
03:59:50
Jakeyou can make money besides only plenty plenty of other ways there's one I'd like to know well how about this you can also sell drugs you can also become a hitman you can also get on the Silk Road and start you know selling whatever you
04:00:04
Jakewant there are many many different illegal ways to make money also you want work hard and if you app yourself something you can you can create a new skill yeah I'm in hair school right now and I want to be a hair stylist but like
04:00:15
Jakethat money won't come I won't see money come from that I understand the Allure of the Allure of quick money but don't you think that there's some somewhere else that you could be putting your talents you're clearly a clever girl
04:00:26
Kaylayou're working hard towards something yeah but like I don't like I would speaking into the marks ready if I made $110,000 right now that could get my mom an apartment for
04:00:37
Jakelike is your is your mom not able to work she's mental e very yeah yeah and so do you don't think that there's anything else that you can do other other otherwise than only fans though the crypto is about to have a pump you
04:00:49
Kaylacould learn learn an online skill start up a business of some sort brain learning my learning abil abilities on like hair and cosmetology
04:00:59
Ravenright now why don't you give haircuts to your friends and like the community and like you know girl that will not M this is the only way to is your mom currently homeless your
04:01:11
Arsonmom's currently homeless lower levels it's okay wait on on a real note this is not quick money only fans no you have to wait like 3 to five business days for it to go into like a like a pending amount and then three to five more business
04:01:23
Arsondays for it to go in an actual amount and then like another week or two for it to actually go in your bank account so it's not quick can I say something quicker than like it's it's it's so much more than the money and you actually literally just pointed that out it's so
04:01:36
Ravenmuch more than the money what do you mean all about the money it's not about the money no because a lot of girls don't even make like like you're making millions of dollars okay then it might be worth it right but that's like 1% the
04:01:47
Meowaverage woman on only fans makes $108 a month that's BR exactly so it's not about the money not in the top 2% not the top three the average user of only fans makes less than $100 around $100
04:01:59
Jakeit's not about the money what they're talking about is the morals okay the morals can we talk about that hey guys sidebar conversations start with the sidebar conversations one person talk at a time so um I think like did would your
04:02:12
Jakemom do you think if if you told her what you would have you told her what you're doing she's she's cool with it yeah I guess yeah kind of hard to have a conversation with her yeah yeah I see what you're
04:02:24
Jakesaying and I do see the Allure of it but like I just I I can't see a like I can't fathom myself the the wanting to do that in terms of like the future repercussions of it because now when you're young you don't see you don't see
04:02:37
Jakehow it's going to affect you in in the future and making money now compared to what you could be doing and and the limitation that it could put on you mhm if if if you're looking at like getting married one day and having a family and and attracting if they're not willing to
04:02:49
Arsonaccept me for what I've done then they can there's the door okay well you can have that attitude but you'll probably like whoever would be except me like with that attitude you'll probably you'll probably be broke and lonely a whole life you know rather be broken
04:03:03
Angelalonely than there's hella moms on only fans so I mean it's not impossible but I would also say like in the case of your mother it's like you unfortunately we just have the moms that we have that's just the case but would you think that if you know when you decide to have
04:03:15
Angelachildren would you want to like basically show a healthier example someone who has like more of a principled and when I say principled I don't mean that you don't have any principles I mean that you demonstrate
04:03:25
Brian Atlasby action those principles the things that you value for she go to school let's look often times in on the podcast we get we linger a little too long on
04:03:35
Brian Atlasporn bad I don't want to really linger too long on it it I mean uh Kayla I mean I do want to at least commend you that you know it's while I perhaps may have disagreements when it comes to uh the
04:03:48
Brian Atlasspecific thing that you're doing I mean you I think you have there's a bit of a noble cause there in terms that you want to uh support your mom and I certainly hope that uh you know whether it's one
04:03:59
Brian Atlasway or the other you know you're able to uh find a way to uh get her helped out whether it comes to housing or whatever it may be so um and I imagine that's probably a certainly I mean at 21 that
04:04:11
Brian Atlasmust be a difficult thing to be dealing with a mother who's dealing with some mental health issues and she's homeless I imagine that's uh not something that's uh easy so I wish you godp speed on that but I don't want to linger too long on
04:04:24
Brian Atlasyou know because we do tend to linger a bit too long on well porn bad and then we just get into debates about that so um what I do want to touch
04:04:32
Brian Atlason is uh okay uh where was I um I wanted to come I'll go around the table on this do you guys think you can be sexist against
04:04:43
Brimen starting with zom Define that question can you be sexist against men I don't think so I feel like I TR everything like equal
04:04:54
Brian Atlaslike between men and women towards who and what part yeah you're quiet so you got to really speak into like I think he was asking objectively not personally mhm like if people in general can be can
04:05:06
Brian Atlasyou you know you often hear for example sexism towards men exist can you be sexist towards men okay should I D should I double down on this question can you be racist against white people that's another that let's double down on
04:05:18
Brian Atlasthat so why don't you answer both really fishing um I don't think so to both well before we have anyone we'll allow everyone on the panel to
04:05:31
Meowanswer this question what about what do you think I don't think you can be sexist towards men and I don't think you can be racist towards white people I I think that prejudice knows no color
04:05:43
Meowor any kind of bounds you can be awful to anybody for any reason and it sucks okay Kayla I agree with her with with who um
04:05:55
Arsonme okay all right I wasn't sure if you're pointing to ourson okay Les what about you I genuinely think you can be sexist towards men and definitely racist towards white people okay both of those
04:06:07
Skythings definitely exist yeah what about you back there uh yeah I think the same okay I agree for both bro way too many people sexist towards
04:06:17
Skymen and yeah you can be racist white people I can't say any on word but other people can that's segregation of
04:06:26
Kikiwords roll it
04:06:31
Arsonback that's crazy what did she say what did she say repeat she wants permission to no I have the pass from my friend it's always the
04:06:43
Arsonwidest but you definitely don't have the past in front of me so are you are you uh part part Black full yeah yeah I'm half African and half European okay gotta I'm sorry no it's okay so she says
04:06:57
Brian Atlasyou don't have the past how do you feel about that I don't have it oh you don't have it so her used to call me that the the N
04:07:05
Arsonword that well I don't enage I'm good off of I I don't encourage people using the NW no uh so uh I feel like I know
04:07:18
Arsonyou can be sexist towards men because I'm the I'm that [ __ ] that's always like no that's a man's job I ain't doing that I'm not doing that well here's the
04:07:27
Brian Atlaskicker when it came to the ex calling you that word did your ex call you the N word yes did he really yes I'm dead yes still does you're a little pale I think
04:07:39
Ravenfor that to have made sense but okay crazy uh he don't care uh yeah you could absolutely be sexist towards men um and yes you could absolutely be racist
04:07:50
Raventowards white people and anybody who disagrees with me I very much ask you to challenge me I'm confused like can I get an example yeah as a victim of physical
04:08:00
Ravenracial violence yeah I ask you to CH yeah I used to get beat up every single day for no reason I was that sounds was White Cap uh okay that
04:08:10
Arsonliterally makes no sense you can you canot you cannot you cannot call somebody else's personal experience that's rude hold on question tol that
04:08:21
Brian AtlasTOS I got a scenario for you arson are you are you half white half asian is that yeah
04:08:29
Brian Atlasokay let's say a group of Asian people mhm found a white dude mhm and they just started beating the [ __ ] out of him and
04:08:41
Arsonthey started calling him the c word while they were doing it would that be would that maybe be racially motivated I mean maybe but like historically they
04:08:51
Arsonprobably deserve it like I don't know are you joking if you're going to say that I no harm when I say this but if you going to say that about white people you have to go ahead and flip that coin
04:09:04
Arsonand be able to say it about the other races as well did they do okay Kayla are you tight yeah she's going to have to run when we go outside
04:09:16
Ravenso do you think a 12-year-old deserves to be beat up because they're white because of racial if it's a child heck no but you think anyone beat up because they're white I
04:09:27
Arsonthink no one gets to deserves to be beat up period but I like don't get really mad if I were to see that you know if I saw the other one like that would inside like Madness that's the exact reason I did
04:09:38
Brian Atlasshe's got some hot takes tonight holy honey you're the
04:09:47
Arsonproblem we get outside we outside stop with the side conversations um how have you arrived at that conclusion um that's a good question I don't know just hearing like all the
04:10:00
Arsonstories about like all this messed up stuff they did in the past like I'm not even black but I have a grudge against them well wait but you're part White can I just can I just take can we go go down this path mhm what what stories are you
04:10:13
Arsonreferring to in particular I don't know just learning stuff in history like are you referring to can I just can we just exactly are you are you referring to slavery yeah and just like the treatment of them over time since then like all
04:10:26
Jakethe Discrimination do you think that uh white people were the only ones who engaged in slavery Pro probably not that's probably around the world too do you think that maybe the fact that you don't know that everybody in engag in
04:10:37
Arsonslavery is part of the reason why you think the way that you do about this um I don't know I know I don't think it has to do with my World Views I think it has to do with the insecurity of myself I don't like the white part of me so I
04:10:51
Jakekind of project that onto others probably thank you right okay well that's well that's that's a pretty that's a pretty self-aware thing to say but like just in terms of your like knowledge how do you think that like the uh the the transatlantic slave trade how
04:11:05
Arsondo you think they went about getting slaves like what do you think the process was didn't they go up like that's that's part of America right they like went into Africa and stoen from our homes yeah so you think that they just went to Africa and then like rounded them all up
04:11:18
Jakeand like caught them put them in sacks and then put them on the boat that's pretty much what I gist of what I got out so the reality of it is and like it's not your fault for not knowing this education system is so flawed that the
04:11:30
JakeAfricans who were sold in the slave trade were sold by other Africans so there were slave markets in Africa where they would capture their own people then sell them off overseas and there was also the barber slave trade as well
04:11:40
Jakewhich was um like Arabic Barber Pirates Who Would capture white Europeans and enslave them too and there was like over a million white Europeans that were enslaved during the barbery slave trade and the Arabic were ones were
04:11:53
Jakeparticularly brutal because they used to castrate the men and then if they if they were ever to be caught by like another ship they would chuck them all overboard slit their throats and Chuck them overboard so SLA slavery happened around the world everywhere so wait are
04:12:06
Arsonyou trying to like say that like white people were slaves too yeah white people were also slaves that's where the term slave comes from is the Slavic region that's why Eastern Europeans are so oppressed even within I don't know but I didn't see them oppressed over here that
04:12:18
Arsonmuch like didn't I don't know in history I don't I don't see books talking about the oppression of white people yeah that's why you think problem why do you think that is because schools push it
04:12:28
Kaylaproblem why do they leave out white people being a victim of slavery in history I feel like we only learn like US History Mo mostly like that's what I learned there was also racism against white people throughout the country as
04:12:41
Angelawell the Italians face persecution every iteration of a new immigrant fac yeah Irish and the Scottish you know how people make fun of the South you know how people make fun of that accent or whatever that's a Scottish accent it comes from the appal they settled in the
04:12:52
AngelaAppalachian region the hillbilly terms comes from the Billy boys Thomas S I haven't no no okay so I'm like there has been racism basically it's tribalism basically like everyone basically says this is my tribe I'm against that one
04:13:05
Angelaand this is my tribe I'm against that one the most evident and also the most culturally obvious one is between white and black people but it's like what is your definition of whiteness which is always contested and also when it comes to Blackness what constitutes Blackness
04:13:17
Jakewhich is another contested question right cuz white comes from a long line of like the Irish and all that and like she said before the word slave comes from the Slavic people so I'd also like to clarify a question with you so you
04:13:30
Arsonbasically said that you think that there is sexism against men correct I what would you define as an example of sexism against men like when a man is like oh go make me a sandwich yes and I'm like
04:13:42
Angelaall right you know what go dig that hole outside like I feel like that's very much sexist I I would reverse that I would say I would say sexism against men I would say sexism against men is truly defined by denigrating healthy
04:13:55
Angelamasculinity and expecting them not to do those sort of things I think if you expect a man to be in his feminine to be like oh be more emotionally expressive they naturally don't go in that direction women are more like psychologically internal so we need that
04:14:07
Angelaventing that sometimes men have to kind of basically maneuver but I think that's truly the definition of sexism is to denigrate the patriarchy denigrate masculinity and to be sexist is to basically say submit yourself to me let
04:14:19
Arsonme take care of you let me coddle you at that point you're basically I mean honestly even even in this generation I feel like it's becoming more of that where these men are expecting or they're like lacking sassy man yeah yeah they're
04:14:32
Arsonlike lacking something to where like oh they're now the females of this generation the women raised by independent females and they're like the men you know who do you think is in part in a Grand Step playing for that like
04:14:44
Angelawho do you think is contributing to that largely what do you mean contributing to a lot of the rhetoric that you hear from women is basically like oh you know that woman expects too much I'm going to be able to take care of him I'm going to provide him X Y or Z but when it comes
04:14:57
Angela100% when it comes to the practical application of it as we kind of see sometimes when you give a man so much that's not healthy for him it's not nurturing it's not peace not something
04:15:08
Angelafrom your natural femininity it's basically like you're taking yourself for granted you're taking your own virtues for whatever you're letting him take advantage of you basically but it's also like I don't know I I kind of lost
04:15:20
Angelathe stream of thought but it's it's pointless it's useless like it's basically trying to live up to a man's role which it just doesn't naturally play out that way yeah there's something to be said about the fact that
04:15:31
Jakeif you say to a woman make me a sandwich that's meant to be derogatory but if you say to a man do the to like mow the law he's like okay right right it's my it's my right I don't know I just have never
04:15:43
ArsonI just never seen sexism in my personal life so I just like I don't even know what you're talking about really like you know what I'm saying mental health do you guys labor do you guys think
04:15:53
Angelathaty the fact that men get treated more harshly in the court of law is sexist towards I I don't think it's sexist no I think that as we've discussed with psychopathy basically like when a woman demonstrates psychopathy because of her
04:16:06
Angelaphysical Advantage is she can only go so far when a man demonstrates psychopathy he can brutalize someone basically so I'm like in that respect I still think that there is supposed to be that gender
04:16:17
Angelabinary so you think that if a woman puts a gun to somebody's head pulls the trigger man does the exact same thing they should be treated differently I think they should be treated exactly the same in that respect it's the same crime but men tend to be more prone to that
04:16:30
Jaketype of so if if if they do it if they do it to to like a more extreme extent then I would agree they get treated differently but for the same crime women get less as sentences I'd say it's because we're still trying to deprogram
04:16:41
Angelaor deconstruct unfortunately that binary cuz women when they committed a murder back in the 1800s they weren't even like barely prosecuted basically for it we were seen as being the docile sex we were seen as being politically neutral when we didn't vote we were seen as
04:16:53
Angelabeing like the weaker vessel and Society took care of us and they basically took that into account nowadays we're they're still trying to De program that they're still trying to so so do do but like
04:17:03
Jakewould you disagree with just like the no like other circumstances that crime happening would do you think that it's sexist that a man gets a worse punishment in terms of the prison it is
04:17:15
Brian Atlassexist yeah it's definitely sexist well I mean there's actually a case that's kind of recently related to us and I forgot if we had brought this up on the previous show there's recently a woman who M stabbed her boyfriend to death
04:17:27
Brian Atlaslike over she stabbed him a 100 times in a weed induced psychosis oh yeah and she got off on a hundred she murdered someone
04:17:38
Brian Atlasmanslaughter um she got she got a 100 hours of community service zero time in prison zero time in jail uh she got probation for two or three years and got
04:17:50
Brian Atlas100 hours of community service for killing somebody imagine if we did that and then we just went after man cuz I got high if you were if you were to reverse the genders same circumstances oh my God he was a in a weed induced
04:18:02
Angelapsychosis yeah bro that dude's doing years in [ __ ] prison I think the reason I pushed back on this one is mostly what is the end objective then do you want men and women to be socially
04:18:14
Angelabasically punished at the same level or do you abely pause or do you want men to continue being full of their agency and to basically say women don't have this level of agency they're going to be basically put back into their quote
04:18:27
Jakeunquote place I think that there are certain there are certain like examples of things where if you take another human life no then like then in in in any any circumstance that is something that is worthy of a
04:18:38
Brian Atlasvery severe punishment I necessarily she should have never went to jail I mean I mean if familiar I heard of her what was can can somebody give us like a 10-second recap so pretty much her mom
04:18:51
Arsonkept her like secluded her whole life put her in a wheelchair like made up to her and all these doctors saying she had all these diseases that she was sick she'd never be able to walk do this that and the third turns out Gypsy Rose was
04:19:03
Arsonlike finding out she can walk she didn't have all these sicknesses is her mom was just keeping her pretty much hostage so she killed her mom her and her boyfriend at the time Mom would like physically
04:19:14
Jakeabuse her drug her forc her to be pretend she's paralyzed her whole life see I think that there's probably some sort of a moral justification for what they did then I also think that people who do bad things to children it's
04:19:26
Brian Atlasthere's a moral justification to kill them or at least you know I mean I'm not familiar with the case but I I'm assuming that these
04:19:36
Angelaalleged abuses were provable like it was MH I mean again I don't know the cour to I agree I agree with all of these points but I also ultimately say that a
04:19:47
Angelapoint in feminist literature is to make equality so much so that women are also drafted into a military conscription they want to reach this point where we are
04:19:58
Meowtruly to the front Lin and get half of the front lines mode down bro population is gone because you're putting those women who can't physic physically equals
04:20:08
Angelaequal the the consequence of that is the consequence of that is if you don't like modern women clamoring for equality maybe push those issues it doesn't take strength to pull I I see what I see what
04:20:21
Jakeyou mean but like those are different like for example women being drafted the reason why that women don't get drafted and shouldn't get drafted is because they're physically ins Superior ins Superior to men or they're physically inferior to men and that's why true men
04:20:33
Angelamake better Warriors but I I completely agree but once again feminism does not account for reality it wants us to be legally politically in every virtue and every way the same but you've got some you've got some of them at the moment
04:20:44
Jakebut then there's still all of this like these feminists fighting for equality in every single regard except for going on the oil rigs and except for driving the iceo trucks which is essentially your point and I do agree with you but with the specific case of murder I think that
04:20:57
Jakeif you kill someone and you do murder in the first degree you you deserve a very severe punishment because I don't see the I don't see the differ unless you want to say that women are not as in control of their faculty which I haven't seen the literature on no I do I do agree that yes if someone kills someone
04:21:11
Angelait doesn't matter what sex they are they should receive the same punishment but I do think that there's a reason why men and women have always been treated differently in society and it's to reinforce the fact that there's a l I agree with that I agree with you but just in in terms of M it's a bit
04:21:23
Brian Atlasdifferent I think and I mean you also you also made the argument that there's like a cohort of feminists out there that are trying to equalize the draft I mean I just don't see any evidence for that really I don't think there's a
04:21:34
Brian Atlaslarge swath of women or feminists who are trying to get Equalization in the draft and I mean you feminists and women have
04:21:44
Brian Atlashad over a hundred years to make that an equal thing so really the when it comes to feminism you're saying well there's this there's this cohort of feminists
04:21:53
Brian Atlaswho who want equality in all Realms I actually disagree feminism is purely at its Mo in the most generous sense of how I Define feminism it's a woman's
04:22:03
Brian Atlasadvocacy movement and it goes against women 's advocacy to advocate for the equalization of the draft because nobody wants to be drafted however the reality is men are the only ones that are
04:22:15
Brian Atlassubject to military conscription so what feminism is is it's purely again in its most generous sense I think feminism is much more nasty than how I'm defining it in the best most good good light way I
04:22:27
Brian Atlascan frame it feminism is women's advocacy but here's the difference if feminism is not the fight for equality because if if some sort of some version
04:22:38
Brian Atlasof equality comes to the detriment of women and not their benefit said feminists will not fight for said equality if you don't stand to benefit
04:22:49
Brian Atlasin some way by the introduction of some type of equality AKA uh the the equalization of military conscription in the draft feminists aren't going to fight for it even though that is the
04:23:00
Angelasupposed and alleged mission statement of feminism so are you familiar with phy Schley yes pH LLY not really no so she was trying to or not she but rather the feminists of the 70s were trying to propose the Equal Rights Amendment which
04:23:12
Angelawould make military conscription necessary for women later that being said no no it's not there yet the feminism has always been for a minority of women the majority of women have always resisted it to the social conditioning that they' received so for
04:23:25
Angelaexample what we see nowadays is women rejecting the idea of like redefining gender redefining sex but unfortunately what the establishment pushes is for that Minority of women's voices because it will fractalize Society to a point where we're more we're all more
04:23:37
Angelacontrollable but feminism has always been something that every single generation has opposed so during the Equal Rights Amendments they basically oppose that women and men should be exactly the same I would say that I I
04:23:47
Brian Atlasget what feminism beenos yeah over the last 20 years or the antiu movement has always there's always been the years feminism is the culture feminism is the
04:23:58
Brian Atlasmainstream feminism has its claw in every system and every institution in this country if you if you look at the higher education system if you look at corporations if you look at governments if you look at media if you look at news
04:24:10
Brian Atlasif you look at journalism these are very like feminist influence institutions and systems and also the podcast that we're on right now is a perfect example of it and all of the other podcasts that have
04:24:21
Jakebeen sort of in the more manosphere red pill space they get demonized to no end because finally some people are actually talking to men in the modern world and these podcasts get called toxic masculinity and you guys hate women and all that when really it's just a bunch
04:24:34
Jakeof men getting together to try and figure out about how to sort of navigate the modern dating world and then you get these podcasts where we come and speak to you guys and we might call you delusional at times Etc but yeah so this these podcasts are a perfect example of
04:24:46
Angelathe way that if you dare to question feminism in the modern world you would get dragged from Pillar To Post I completely agree and the same thing the same thing happens to women where if you question feminism you're considered anti-woman that's always been the rhetoric the tactic that they've used
04:24:59
Angelasince the dawn of time and every iteration of feminism that we're acquainted with is the one that came from the generation before that established it as the of Academia of Psychiatry of media of X Y or Z so that's why it's like in every generation
04:25:11
Angelayou basically have to look back to the Paleo conservative era where that was the dominant culture and think okay well if they reflect the same mindset that we have nowadays where we're resisting the new but wanting to with basically retain the old or yeah basically retain the old
04:25:24
Angelaand we have some criticisms of what's currently going oh excuse me of what's currently going on then maybe then our quote unquote progress should basically be a return to tradition here let's um I
04:25:35
Brian Atlasagree with that 100% % to bring it back to arson here arson I think this all got started because we were asking can you can you be racist against white people can you be sexist against men if I
04:25:45
Arsonrecall you said no to both correct yeah I just haven't seen it I don't know in my personal life so like I don't know I feel like maybe if I seen what you're talking
04:25:56
Brian Atlasabout can I ask you a question so do you think for example with the George Floyd situation right um do you think that George Floyd's killing was evidence of racism towards him yeah
04:26:09
Brian Atlasfor sure to well I mean is it was it more like almost a general societal okay racism societal influences can I add something to that I was there when I
04:26:22
Arsonhappened he tried to stab a woman in the stomach and kill her and she was with child he was also on drugs I thought it was a gun okay but that that that doesn't affect the fact that they already had him down on the ground like he wasn't in the middle of stabbing him
04:26:34
Arsonthey killed him there what are they supposed to do after he just stabbed a woman he was already in cuffs laying on the ground are they not supposed to detain him are you are you trying to argue as valid that they killed George Floyd on hold on hold on sound can can I
04:26:47
Jakejust that's Lally what you're arguing can iate what they said please don't let my friend again hold on a second so so they're saying that that was you're saying that that's a separate incident yeah wait I got to play wa hold on hold on hold on I got to play one thing hold
04:26:59
Jake[Music] on okay keep going sorry you guys were going at each other so so she's saying that it's a different it's a different incident at a different time when he did that to that lady so it's kind of more
04:27:10
Jakeof a reflection of his character but on the day um he was also very high on fentel and it's come out in the uh in the post in the coroner report that he was actually didn't really die from his
04:27:21
Angelafation no the placement of the knee was based off of an Israeli defense tactic or technique that they would do but it was towards the lower part of his neck so it couldn't have basically constructed his air pipes I'm not really
04:27:32
Brian Atlastrying to get into a debate about the the death there does seem to be some dispute over over that but well let me let me make my point so but it sounded to me like you said that that was
04:27:43
Brian Atlasevidence of some sort of uh sexism or sorry excuse me not sexism uh racism you know the the police perhaps are racist against black people and I mean after the death of George Floyd there's a
04:27:55
Brian Atlaswidespread like anti-racist movement typically you know black lives matter for example um would you agree I agree that cops suck like like I don't know like okay I
04:28:07
Brian Atlaswill have a question on that but but so now if if that is evidence of racism towards black people the discrepancy between for for example and there's some
04:28:18
Brian Atlasdispute about the statist statistics on this the discrepancy between for example they say that and again I've heard some conflicting uh arguments on this that
04:28:29
Brian Atlasthe that black men or black people are more likely to be uh victims of police brutality policemen misconduct police killings for example and that's evidence of uh
04:28:41
Brian Atlasracism now when it comes to could we make the argument that because for example white men are killed more frequently than women of any race
04:28:52
Arsoncombined would that be since you've agreed that they probably have a reason a good reason for being dead then so you're going to say that there's a good reason for a white person to be dead
04:29:04
Arsonover a good reason for white or a black person to be dead no I didn't say they're better but I'm just I'm saying like Okay I'm generalizing say there's a good reason you know obviously good people die also but like if you're
04:29:16
Arsontrying trying to talk about statistics like there's probably you know I don't know nothing about statistics let's talk about statistics uh you know you don't know nothing about St um we're talking
04:29:27
Ravenabout a very small fraction of the population we're talking like 18% of the population is black they make up half
04:29:36
Brian Atlaswell let's not go there but that's relevant that is very relevant not the views expressed view expressed by the other panelists do not
04:29:47
Brian Atlasnecessarily reflect the views of the whatever podcast um okay wait so I'm it's not sure if you're going to engage with me on that so I'll change the topic going around the table would
04:29:58
Ravenyou date I'm where's zre zomb I need your input zomb is she in the bathroom she's being okay I wanted ask a question um do you think that your like like the
04:30:09
Ravenalgorithm on your social media is probably like a reason as to why you say you you've never seen these other scenarios before I try not to go on my phone that much like I I really only go
04:30:22
Arsonlike I don't be on my phone like Doom scrolling anymore I definitely used to when I was like bored a lot but all right my Instagram shows me memes and like funny cats so but you saw like BLM you saw like all the riots and stuff
04:30:35
Arsonlike that oh yeah yeah so you saw that but you didn't see the you never see wait I'm confused how this is racist towards white people all you're telling me is all the stuff still like all the stuff that I think it's actually like this is a very mainstream sort of point
04:30:47
Jakeof view if if you're apolitical if you don't really F Focus too much on politics you don't really look look into it too much and if if you don't really care about it too much yeah I know but this what I'm saying if you if you don't really look into it too much then this
04:30:57
Jakewill be because of this is this dominant societal narrative which is unfortunate but um yeah so the question is zry going around the table would you dat the police
04:31:07
Brian Atlasofficer probably not why is that are you able to scoot into the table and this way a little bit but uh why is
04:31:17
Brithat actually I don't know maybe if he was like cool like stuff I don't know okay all right definitely not definitely not why is
04:31:27
Arsonthat I feel like they'd be scary like girl I'm going to get caught no I'm just kidding get caught get caught doing what I don't know they just scare me they
04:31:38
Arsonjust scare me in general like I just anytime I've like interacted with a cop they've been so mean and so rude so I wouldn't they probably all got anger issues and I just we we'll come back to that but I'll let everybody answer the
04:31:49
Kaylaquestion would you date police officer um I would okay no no any any reason I'm pretty sure like statistically that they are
04:32:00
Arsonlike more they're more domestic violence issues with like cops okay yeah I I also would not date a Fed would would not date a Fed okay what the
04:32:13
Skyfeds no um probably not but again I'm wouldn't subject to change I'm a I'm a person who gets to know people so like
04:32:23
Jakeprobably not but you know what about you back there I wouldn't because my dad was a former cop and I saw how that affected him she's a plant she's a plant it you're it means that you've
04:32:34
Angelabeen put here by the CIA to spy on us back there I see you would that you yeah I would okay I would um for the same reason I I would have some
04:32:45
Meowhesitation because of the 40% DV stat okay can I actually say my only like reservation is the one who said like I would my biggest reservation would be the same reason why having a military spouse would be very difficult would be
04:32:56
Meowthe high mortality rate and possibility and so especially depending on if if it's the two of us you know together I feel a lot more reasonable okay you're taking that risk and I'm the only one if we have children and you're putting your life on the line every day intentionally
04:33:09
Brian Atlasthat's a big conversation to have it's a good and it's it's a stressful job you know um going back to you arson uh you seem very passionate about this
04:33:21
Brian Atlasone you just you it sounds like you just don't like I you were going to ask me a question you just don't like police officers it sounds you just don't generally like literally wait here's let me ask you a question go ahead go ahead
04:33:33
ArsonI've seen I've seen cops bro I had the SWAT teene called on me one time what did you do we were literally just playing with fake guns um like like filming like a video where we were pretending to be
04:33:45
Arsonspies and like the whole like swag is called on us cuz we were like on top of a parking garage and they were so mean like oh my God like we were like a bunch of like
04:33:56
Arsonlike girls dressed in like tiny like freaking like crop tops and like tall platforms we obviously not doing anything wrong and I don't know they were just like telling us to get on the
04:34:08
Arsonground and like like all this scary stuff aiming like big AKs at us and like there was like three cars and I was just like you know what I mean have you ever thought about starting a podcast out St
04:34:18
Brian Atlasstory time you know what we we should sign we should sign arson please You've Got Talent to whatever it's going to be
04:34:25
Jakearson girl uh Z zre Kayla we're just you guys in your Yeah Austin and K and you just laughing in the backgr the whole K
04:34:36
Brian Atlasis like perf demon perf thing all right it's in the works we'll draft up the contracts we'll get them to you uh here soon um so okay you got the SWAT team
04:34:47
Arsoncame but you don't you would not what if he was all blasted in tats and he listened to My Chemical Romance if he was cool if he was cool like you guys look you know the typical cop they took
04:34:59
Arsonall of our stuff like I don't know they're just so rude and then there's been like another time where my my my ex-boyfriend like got arrested and stuff cuz they thought he was like he thought
04:35:10
Arsonhe was this guy who like got on shooting down the like the block over and so like literally they manhandled him they were like knocking on our door saying they were going to break down our door and um like it was just a whole thing they
04:35:22
Arsonstole his phone they put him in the cop car like it was like a whole thing he literally didn't do anything so I just literally did nothing yes literally did how could they do that because he looked like the suspect which was crazy cuz he
04:35:34
Arsonwas wear he had bright purple hair and he was wearing a rainbow [ __ ] hoodie like I was like what how many [ __ ] like purple
04:35:44
Arsonhair like this man know but yeah so just like you know interactions I've had personally I just don't like them do you think do you think though like aside from not wanting to date them do you
04:35:55
Brian Atlasthink like we need police officers probably there's probably situations where you need them all right there we go but not dating them there we go some situations okay all right um
04:36:08
Brian Atlasgood to know good to know okay let me try to get through everybody's notes Here we did have a chat come in let me read that really quick we have Pepe Sylvia hey Brian can you please give the people what they want and ask dog girl to explain what a woman is oh okay well why don't we go around the table and
04:36:22
Brian Atlashave everybody oh God that's such an intricate question it's really not stting you're setting us up for fa starting with not starting with the home girl zom Bri
04:36:37
Briwhat is a woman um I guess a woman is like someone that should be like independent and take care of themselves and I don't know that was a very wholesome answer
04:36:49
Arsonokay um arson what about you women are awesome we're fairies we know magic we're witches we're just like these
04:36:58
Arsonmystical mythical creatures that run the world and just just Liberate the world and Domin it as well yes a woman is a
04:37:07
Meowbiological human female it's very simple see meow's based sometimes I think people look I have fun you I've have surprises me's good I'm sorry we fought before let's not fight again I think
04:37:20
Brian Atlaspeople just assume based on the way you look that you're going to have I'm the same way I just well I think you're I think the thing is is you're like temperamentally a disagreeable person and that that uh agreeability it's I'm not that's not like an insulting thing
04:37:33
Brian Atlasagreeability is one of the big five person ality traits and I think you're probably uh you strike me I mean look granted you've been invited to a show to share your opinions and whatnot but uh you're probably I mean correct me if I'm
04:37:45
Meowwrong you're strike me as a very disagreeable person Carmen would you say knowing me in my personal life that I'm a disagreeable person not really are you guys friends okay you guys look like unlikely friends why no we're best
04:37:56
Brian Atlasfriends I don't know why are we did you say why are you friends no I I don't see the not being friends thing I thought I didn't I just wouldn't have picked it's
04:38:06
Brian Atlasjust physical I mean like Ecentric hom both kind of pale of course they're friends I mean I'm I'm pale too I'm pale yeah I think a lot of it is your facial expressions I would have thought you
04:38:18
Brian Atlasguys would be friends what what about them like when you're talking to people you're like you're very expressive oh yeah I think you have RBF what's it called you also have well I'm a female dog so you have acting [ __ ] face too
04:38:31
Brian Atlasokay like [ __ ] um good talk uh what's a what is a woman um whatever you want it to be no
04:38:44
KaylaKayla come on she's like trying so hard not to get canell uh like biologic like what you're born with and then also if like after like 20 years you think
04:38:55
Kaylayou're a female then I think you can have the right to call yourself female mhm so like you can become a woman yeah well you said female female woman like that's very females
04:39:07
Meowlike sex that's very woman you can't become a nobody can become a female there's some debate over whether you can become a woman though okay Womanhood as a cultural like social norm and transition versus biological well
04:39:20
Brian Atlasdepend I mean I mean I'm like sort of just arguing the other side of this and you know there's gender and then there's sex nobody can become like when we're talking about sex we're talking about
04:39:28
Brian Atlasmale female gender woman man I don't know how much I buy into that but um good talk okay what about what about you
04:39:38
ArsonLes uh I think a woman is definitely like how she portrays herself how she carries herself I don't really think I don't know I think it really is just
04:39:51
Arsonyeah how you carry yourself that's how you carry yourself okay all right what uh what about you oh please um I agree with them like for the woman for the longest time
04:40:02
Arsonokay you know what I'm trying to like not say something wrong stop but definitely biologically female just because I think there's too many issues that are just occurring with can I you just scoot your mic this uh this
04:40:14
Arsonyeah perfect okay so definitely being biologically female at Birth um only because I just feel like there's way too many issues currently that just outweigh the fact of like somebody trying to be heard I'm sorry y'all but like I'm
04:40:26
Arsonprotecting the kids like you know protecting like women and general like I stand on that easy what about you uh yeah I think a woman something like
04:40:36
Brian Atlasbiolog biological but also you could what about home back there wait what's your name again what musk muskrat is
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Ariana/Jules/Carmenthat your Instagram username osaurus musosa what is itur she gets crun okay yeah I just mainly agree with all these gals just like what you're
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Ariana/Jules/Carmenbiologically born as a woman and then how you hold yourself have you ever slashed somebody's tires I thought about it you thought okay just but I don't want to okay I'm not going to do that I just had an intuition for some
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Arsonreason Carman one sec oh just we'll come back to okay um I mean I have trans friends they're cool but a woman is biologically
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Brian Atlasfemale mhm same what's up I would say same answerers her biological female but there's also an essence of Womanhood that needs to be complimentary to that all right we have another chat here Von thought Brian
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Brian Atlasfeminist always rug pull right to to vote no responsibility draft F FGM ban 1996 no circumcision ban circumcision is objectively a human rights violation which women on the panel would ban it I
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Brian Atlasmean I'm Jewish so like I'm not I'm not about that I'm sorry um circumcision circum like would you ban circumcision you say you're in favor of yeah let's
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Meowyou're in favor of it if you're Jewish to to to like ban C band circumcised I like I I yeah I don't I don't see any other reason an aesthetic reason to circum
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Arsonsay oh so you're in favor of banning it yeah oh okay isn't it like the extra skin like there's a higher possibility of getting like no yeah your dick fake
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Meoweither either that or like if you're cutting it off like they're cutting it off so they have sex with more girls like well from what I understand you lose sensitivity and you lose a lot of factors about how you use your dick and like that's really unfortunate to take that away from a child that doesn't even
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Brihave a choice like didn't even grow up yet so it's different how can you hurt your oh oh my God how do I wait here let's just get everybody's answer are you in favor of banning circumcision um not necessarily but I
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Arsonhave heard that it like causes more like health issues so being uncut or being cut being uncut fake news okay but I don't know I think it's absolutely
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Arsondisgusting to have for again like I remember one time I pulled it back it tasted like dank
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Arsoncheese girl you are exposing yourself she you miss with all that you miss all that can can I mean I I sort of object to your view but at least I give you
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Brian Atlascredit for being I love watching you say it like honest she's got like no filter like forthcoming she's she's she's honest she's blunt she's forthcoming something
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Brian Atlasthat is appreciated on the show Even if we disagree um I think you stated your position Kayla what about you um I think
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Arsonbannett yeah Bas Kayla I definitely think it should be up in the air like preference I don't really think wait iy can you move your mic is kind of blocking her well I feel like it should
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Kaylabe banned because like you're doing it as a kid like when they're born like there's like they don't have a choice they don't have a choice if they want if they want to do it later when they like actually can think for
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Arsonthemselves I don't know I feel like I've met a lot of men that are like oh no like I couldn't have extra four skin like how would they know though like there's no way to know what do you mean well like if you've been cut no if
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Arsonthey're uncut like that's what I'm saying if they're uncut the guys that like grew up with it they're like oh [ __ ] like I didn't get [ __ ] being cut like what sensitivity psychologically traumatizing
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Angelafor the baby they lose their sexual pleasure there's a dullness in general and also it's a necessary part of the body as well there's no need for it like they have enough Cher I don't know I've never seen a guy that circumcised and be
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Arsonlike I do not get enough pleasure right now like he wouldn't know he wouldn't know cuz he was robbed in childhood well yeah they wouldn't they wouldn't have anything to compare it to
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Meowso but what if we can personally make those comparisons based on our experience what do you what do you mean like between sleeping with a guy who's cut and sleeping with a guy who's uncut well that's about your experience the way that you feel not his sensitivity
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Arsonnot his experience I mean I guess I think she's talking about like how quickly what you know oh yeah wait what wait mind how easy it is I was about ask
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Brian Atlasdo circumcise in Australia they do they do sometimes not this guy but they do
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Arsonsometimes there there you go stop okay this girl needs to chill somebody please oh no's water right here wait chill about what what she nothing
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ArsonI'm confused okay Mr Aussie but it's okay is wait is there like a love connection I mean might be one a never been described as a baddie
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Arsonbefore I'll take it uh circumcision over here I'm really glad that my partner is uncircumcised I would ban circumcision based I mean Bas my ex was
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Arsonuncircumcised I don't really I really mean a't it great when they actually feel pleasure okay uh yeah absolutely I mean they're feel I feel like they're feeling pleasure either way you can't really
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Brian Atlasdetermine yeah well what if I threw what if I threw this statistic out there let's say that in 3% of it might be less than this I don't know if we can look up
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Brian Atlasthe statistics let's say 1% of circum circumcisions go wrong like there's some sort of damage that occurs like they they like cut some part and it
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Brian Atlasat the end of the day I've seen it there's even men who some men uh will have they the whole penis gets chopped off part of it gets chopped off and they
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Brian Atlaslose sexual function let's assume that that's even just 1% on that basis alone do you think it would be warranted to just do away with the practice of circumcision are there disadvantages
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Brian Atlasthough of having that forkin on or no sure there may look there there's some men for example who perhaps their forkin doesn't form properly and they might have difficulty uh I think there are
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Brian Atlassome men where it it it's too the Skin's too tight and it causes them pain I don't know how frequent that is but but wouldn't you find that out later you would and I mean you would you
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Arsonmay if the pain is substantial you may want to undergo a surgery in adulthood as an infant yeah like until they have that choice then yeah I guess