2 TOXIC Feminists RAGE QUIT?! HEATED Debate! | Dating Talk #118

Date: 2023-11-15

Duration: 5h 58m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBunny (DT118)>

CCaitlyn (DT118)>

AAzure (DT118)>

SSelena (DT118)>

SSavannah (DT118)>

AAndrew Wilson >

SStephanie (DT118)>

CChase (DT118)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Bunny(guest)

SPEAKER_04Stephanie(guest)

SPEAKER_05Savannah(guest)

SPEAKER_06Caitlyn(guest)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08Chase(guest)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Nick (producer)(audience)

SPEAKER_12Sava(guest)

SPEAKER_13Azure(guest)

SPEAKER_14Selena(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteStephanie describes converting from boss-babe to submissive wife over years of marriage.

“I really support gender roles I think that they're really important... I have learned to be a submissive wife”

ControversyCaitlyn refuses to concede that men are generally physically stronger than women despite deadlift records, grip strength stats, and Olympic comparisons presented by the hosts.

“I can see in these situations that in comparisons that the men are stronger than the women they are beating the women but I don't know if...”

QuoteChase says he is witnessing 'the case against the 19th Amendment' while watching Caitlyn refuse to answer whether men are stronger than women.

“I'm witnessing the case against the 19th Amendment play out in front of my eyes right now”

QuoteStephanie quotes her husband: 'submit yourself into freedom' as the key to a happy traditional marriage.

“my husband said just submit yourself into freedom because once you do I still get the respect from my husband that I deserve”

ControversyAzure and Savannah clash over whether bikini barista work is sex work. Azure calls Savannah basically a stripper; Savannah denies.

“you're basically a stripper so I don't understand stripper yeah cuz I touch people and I dance on people for money”

QuoteAzure reveals body count: claims ~15, then admits it's definitely higher.

“I think up like 15 think up like 15 yeah up to 15... it's definitely higher than 15 by like ballpark”

QuoteBunny self-rates her looks as 9.3 out of 10.

“9.3”

OtherAzure rage-quits during abortion debate. She says she cannot continue and leaves.

“I'm going to leave I can't I can't with this... Thanks you guys for having me on the Pod I appreciate it and all the differing stuff I just I can't with this”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions & Relationship Status

Guests introduce themselves with name, age, occupation. Brian goes around the table on relationship status, longest relationships, rosters, celibacy. Caitlyn shares situationship with Marine. Sava discusses NBA/rapper DMs.

Feminism & The Patriarchy Debate

Main feminist debate: definition of feminism, whether patriarchy exists, whether women are oppressed, wage gap discussion, men vs women physical strength, high school athletes vs female Olympians comparison.

Sex Work Panel Discussion

Debate on sex work, whether bikini baristas count as sex work, Christianity vs bikini photos (Savannah), stripper red flags, customer red flags, whether men should date sex workers. Selena discusses dating as a dancer.

Twitter/Anti-Men Tweets Review

Brian reviews Azure and Bunny's anti-men tweets: 'God I hate men', 'men should be oppressed', fantasizing about lining up and shooting men. Discussion of misandry double standards.

What Is A Woman Discussion

Panel asked to define 'woman'. Bunny: XX chromosomes. Caitlyn: prefers not to answer (lives for trans community). Sava: hard to define. Selena: biological female. Stephanie: adult human female XX chromosomes. Caitlyn/Sava avoid clear answers on whether trans women are women.

Body Count Discussion

Whether body count matters; guests share their counts. Bunny: unknown (under 100). Caitlyn: 4. Sava: single digit. Selena: 10+ (lost count). Savannah: 20-40 range. Stephanie: private/low. Azure: 15-25+. Stephanie says body count matters.

Ratings Round (Self-Ratings)

Guests rate their own looks 1-10. Bunny: 9.3, Caitlyn: 8-9, Azure: 8-8.5, Sava: 8, Selena: 8-8.5, Savannah: 7-7.5, Stephanie: 8-8.5, Chase: 8-8.5, Andrew: 5, Brian: 6-6.5.

Abortion Debate & Walkoff

Debate on abortion triggered by comment about feminism as a patriarchal tool. Stephanie and Savannah argue life begins at conception. Azure rage-quits at ~5:36 saying she cannot continue the debate. Brief closing statements.

Transcript

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Savamean free thought and Free Will it's it's it's it's like the ability to have that free thought and Free Will right fetus will have that ability yeah they

Andrew Wilsonwill just as somebody like being in a coma correct they have that ability when they wake up they're already a person so then what you're actually col of cells yeah so if you if you make that statement though you are a collection

Andrew Wilsonthere's an entailment so there's an entailment here the entailment is if you make the statement that the coma patient you value his life because he can have that experience then you would have to Value the life of the uh egg that's for

Andrew WilsonI mean right away you would have to Value the life yeah the zygote because the potential for them to have the experience is the same yeah I think you know like not not necessarily

Savabecause you know that person in the coma right they have already they're already a person you know capable of everything like that the collection of cells you know like like what you're what you're

Savatalking about right is like it's basically like every time some like dude like nuts in a napkin you know that's that's that's not a

Savannahlife a human being has it has to have it has to have go both gametes connect yeah you can't you have to have all 23 pairs of chromosomes you can't just have half

Savannahof that that's that's a g not a zygote a zygote is a unque it's also potential the potential of life like you're talking it's not potential it has all eight characteristics of life the poti scientific fact you cannot argue against

Caitlynthat as someone that stud medicine you should know that what are the eight characteristics of life I can't name them off the top of my head but I promise you it obtains all eight characteristics like reproduction

Caitlynability to ability to reproduce yeah yeah ability to reproduce ability to move um ability to Breathe No No that's

Savannahwrong like or like exch gases of some sort n okay I used to have them memorized I used to have them memorized but I promise you would obtain so this is like my subject you know what I'm

Chasesaying okay two more anyways yeah I think it's murder and I I think it should be illegal and people should be arrested for consider also to make a point on

Chasethis uh I saw in the news that um Peru re recently made abortion illegal and they're giving fetuses uh constitutional rights as a result of this or they're

Chasethey're making it illegal because they've given fetus's constitutional rights I you know one of the weird things about living in America our Constitution and all of our rights that Andrew believes are

Chasefake you know it's like America was was founded to secure life liberty in the pursuit of happiness for all Americans but why don't we why do we not secure the right to life for fetuses in America

Chaseit doesn't make any sense like I I believe every unborn child has the right to life in America and that's what this nation was founded for should and I mean in our history as she was trying to say

Savannahlike legislation somehow makes some kind of morality and it's like in history as humans we've taken away human rights from countless amount of people and we look back on that and we say what the heck were we thinking right and the same

Chasething goes for a fetus embryo zygote whatever you want to call it it's just a different stage in human development it's a human life period yeah God willing like I pray that a day will come where we will look back on this era with

Chaseover 60 million unborn children killed in the womb and we will be like what the hell why do you why do you want to control women's bodies I want to I want save the baby bodies bro I I do want to

Savasay something though you brought up Peru right my actual my my best brought friend Peru my best friend a four years she's from there right and one thing you know like we've actually talked about so

Savaone thing that's actually really dangerous over in Pur right is there's so many there's so many you know like uh um essays you know there's a lot of people a lot of women you know do you know what the actual number is no idea

Savabut this is from her personal experience this is from what she's told me um you know what she's seen over there and I think one thing that we do have to look at is it's like even with taking away you know the right to abortion people

Savaare still going to go and get them right people are still going to out of their way and then they're going to damage themselves and they're actually the third leading rate uh the third leading

Savadeath for maternal deaths right is unsafe abortions in Peru um no every we just make homicide legal cuz it's still going to happen well yeah but I mean this is like allowing people the

Savadecision you know nobody should have the decision to kill another innocent human being period so if a little so if a little I know this is like a a cliche type to topic but if a little girl is

Savannahraped by a family member and is impregnated oh oh sorry sorry sorry do you know what percentage of abortions come from that in America no uterus no

Brian Atlasopinion I mean well I have a uterus she does have a uterus I do have a uterus Andrew Wilson no uterus no

Chaseopinion I hear what you're saying you know it's it sounds like this this is an argument that people commonly raise which is okay if you make abortion illegal then you will force women in those positions to get them by other

Chasemeans which are often dangerous and and in danger the lives of the women that are getting them I totally understand that argument what I would also say to that is that women who legally get abortions also endanger their lives

Chasethere are many women who have died from abortions in abortion clinics on top of that I think any woman that gets sa and becomes pregnant as a result of that that's a very sad thing but to her point

ChaseI don't think just because one bad thing happened to you I don't think that justifies then murdering that unborn child I also am a firm believer in the stat it's just a clump of cells Chase

Chaseyeah I'm I'm a firm believer it's actually ofs that's the thing that's super weird if I may add a couple more points I I'm a firm believer in the state making adoption services more

Chaseaffordable for people right like I've raised this on previous episodes here in America for example it's insanely expensive to adopt a child and we print billions hundreds of billions trillions

Chaseof dollars I don't know if it's trillions that we give in foreign aid to other countries but we here in America we give tons of money to all of these other countries I think a lot of that

Savamoney should instead be put towards subsidizing the adoption somebody sanze this chair by the way one thing I want to ask is like what are what are your beliefs when it's in concern of the you

Savaknow like threatening the life of the mother or the fetus has very very sever birth defects that upon birth but this a problem with this argument right it's like let's just for the sake of argument

Andrew WilsonGrant it okay if it's going to threaten the mother's life fine if it's incest fine like whatever the qualifiers are the vast overwhelming majority of

Andrew Wilsonabortions have nothing to do with those qualifiers so I feel like let's start with the vast overwhelming majority of them and then we can move on to kind of

Chasewhatever the outliers are last I saw roughly 95% of abortions are what are called abortions of convenience 97 elective okay is that is that that's the statistic according to gut matcha

ChaseInstitute that PL Parenthood uses for their statistics okay so if it's 97 let's break this down for a moment that means 97% of abortions are abortions that women are getting because it it is inconvenient for them to keep the child

Chasethey didn't plan the pregnancy they don't want the kid maybe they feel they can't afford it so on and so forth which tells me women are making bad decisions with who they are let letting

Chasecome inside of them and then they are killing their children as a result of it because they don't want to bear the consequences of their decisions here in America less than 1% of abortions are due to rape I have great compassion for

Chasewomen that experience that and I can't even imagine how painful it would be sorry for using that word to be sa and then to feel like you have to get an abortion after the fact I can't imagine

Chasehow painful that would be but to his point the overwhelming majority are women who are making terrible decisions with who they're allowing into their bodies and then they are just killing their children because they don't want

Andrew Wilsonto bear the consequences of their actions yeah like let's just say for for a second that we just hypothetically Grant this to you we just agree we're like all of those outlier cases fine

Andrew Wilsonthey should have been able to do it can you give us the justification for why all of the vast majority of the others shouldn't that's the question m

Savaum so like I said you know like just my personal standpoint on it um is you know like that until that point of

Andrew WilsonConsciousness is reached like which is there's it's only potential for Life 24 weeks 20 24 we not arguable when life

Savahappens what happens in 24 weeks um I mean that's basically you know the start of like Consciousness that's that's the ability to you know kind of like feel

Andrew Wilsonfeel like pain that's kind of like the start of you know the nervous this is again I I hate to I hate to ask this but I actually need to clarified yeah I still don't understand what you think

Andrew Wilsonsentience or Consciousness is well she was just clarifying like the ability to feel pain and physical disorders that so for instance that doesn't make sense

Andrew Wilsonbecause you can feel pain long for 24 weeks right long before 24 weeks so that can't be what you're referring to so what are you referring to as it's it's

Savathe development into a person where I see that kind of breach right yeah what is the thing that is the breach like I said at 24 weeks it's the development towards Consciousness and it's the

Savadevelopment towards Consciousness or withous I me around 24 weeks there's there's yeah but I'm asking what that quality is he's asking what would how do

Andrew Wilsonyou define cons like so for if you said if you said to me it's when the foot the foot is developed I and be like what's the foot you say it's this part here what is sentience you keep on you say

Savathat that's your value sentience Consciousness what is that it's it's like I said you know basically the ability for pain is basically you know like the start of like the nervous

Savasystem I know we're going to agree separately on this but it's like just for me yeah but you can feel pain or you can have a nervous system before conscious I feel like you do have an outward kind of look upon life because

Savayou know going like like I said into the medical field you go through you literally dissect human beings cabers you go through the entire system you see how people are built up you see how

Savaeverything kind of starts right and it's like you know the throughout like there's like life and death right and there's

Selenalike well H I'm sorry I'm not laughing at this at all please continue saying there's life and death you dissect cabers you can see the development of it there's life and

Savannahdeath do you want to continue with it or did you lose your train of thought I got a degree in nursing and I can definitely assure you life begins at conception and I'm not saying that I am the person that

Savannahdetermined that I'm just saying all scientific test textbooks and will tell you the same thing that a fetus obtains Oro obtains all eight characteristics of life if

TTS/Donationsit's a life what kind of life is it it's a human life obviously a human being One Motorsports donated $200 as the baby is a result of sex is and the result of a man's seed why do we

TTS/Donationsallow women to be the sole decisionmaking power to end that life the regret of the mother should not be the sole Factor another privilege as a woman that you should not have we should not allow women to be the sole

Brian Atlasdecision-making power to end a baby's life exactly okay um it's getting late I think we should wrap up here pretty soon final thought from anybody before I wrap up I got some final thoughts I would

Caitlynlike to pose the question what is life and then what is it's going to be different for everybody right the definition of life then we have everything from the trees to the human

Savannahwhere do we put the you know on the value of everything what you do um sorry human life deserves human rights period and life is determined by biology and

Savannahbiology tells us that a zygote has all eight characteristics of life therefore it is a life life a human being is two human gametes don't make anything else

Savannahbesides a human yesod is a tree is a tree a seed though uh no it's a different develop no let me let me answer a question let me answer a question no it is a different development it's the same thing though

Savannahit's the same thing right a seed grows into a tree right seeds grow into trees grow into trees but it is still the same species it is still the same tree that seed ended up being that tree correct end up being the tree correct that

Savannahdoesn't mean that it it's a developmental stage same thing with saying an infant is it an adult and an adult isn't an elder it's the exact same

Savaconcept do you do you believe do you believe um death is wrong no matter what like murder is wrong no matter what no absolutely I think there are sometimes justifications for death and like if

Savannahsomebody's threatening me if somebody's threatening me right or if they're threatening you you have the right to defend yourself mhm but a fetus zygote embryo has done nothing to you they are innocent they are an innocent human

Chasebeing hence why I keep saying innocent and is 97% of the time created by consensual decisions made by consens adults who don't want to deal with consequences of their actions elective

Savannahabortions make up 97 so if I were to offer you legislation just curious that said you know what we're going to Outlaw

Savannahall 97% of abortions as but we'll make exceptions for those uh for rate or R I

Savannahdidn't finish it I didn't finish it for the RW yeah and um and in whatever and uh health of the mother would you agree

Savato that um I think honestly between like me and you guys I think there's just a Divergence in belief no but I want to know like it's a yes or no question would you agree to that legislation oh sorry I explaining my

Savapoint um anyway I think there's definitely like a Divergence and you know like what we kind of believe like is right you know I believe Mor starts at 24 weeks and we definitely do have it's a yes or no question just a

Savannahagreement yeah I was getting to know but okay to know exactly so why do you bring it up what so why do you bring it up is trying to justify the other

Savannah97% wait what what what are you talking about you're trying to use outliers like the RW and health of the mother right as

Savannahoutliers to justify 97% of cases um if I offered you legislation if I offered you legislation would you accept it and the answer is no so why do you bring it up I

Savaasked you guys a question concerning when you believe abortion is Right correct and I was getting your opinion on that never did I justify that I mean

Chaseobviously I think abortion there definitely needs to be instances where it is legal no matter what anybody's opinion is right but do you okay so I

Chaseunderstand that's your position but what she's asking is the other 97% that don't apply to the conditions that you're describing do you feel like that's morally wrong for those that 97%

Savaof women to be getting abortions for decisions they chose to make um I mean personally you know like what I already explained you know how I see life or whatever like that so

Savayou feel like if it's below that threshold it's not wrong um I mean like what somebody does is you know like their personal choice and as I said you know if those options like aren't available they're already going to try

Savait you know like anyway and I think so let's just legal legal homicide well I mean War what about war what do you think about war different like I said if you have you have if

Savannahsomeone is threatening you and if somebody is threatening you bodily harm you have the right to defend yourself I'm not saying all wars Justified though to clarify War but I mean a lot of the

Savannahtime war is not justified that's the point so if it's not justified then it would be murder yeah exactly like I think we can actually agree on that one all right I got a couple closing

Chasethoughts Jesus Christ is Lord amen he came to the Earth he lived died resurrected from the dead ascended to Heaven he's freaking coming back to at some point in time I don't know when that is seems like it's going to be soon

Chaseuh he died for all of our sins including you guys I hope you guys come to know Jesus Christ and find Salvation in him because he offers you eternal life and uh what we have however many listeners that are going to listen to this believe

Chasethat it's the truth read the book more than a carpenter by Josh McDow make the make the decision for yourself who you believe Jesus Christ is because everybody has to answer that question guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow and a prime sub on your way out

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Brian Atlasdouble check make sure we got all the chat I don't want to miss any um did you say any closing pods do you have any it's got to be quick I need to WAP like ASAP oh yeah you should definitely come

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