2 TOXIC Feminists RAGE QUIT?! HEATED Debate! | Dating Talk #118

Date: 2023-11-15

Duration: 5h 58m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBunny (DT118)>

CCaitlyn (DT118)>

AAzure (DT118)>

SSelena (DT118)>

SSavannah (DT118)>

AAndrew Wilson >

SStephanie (DT118)>

CChase (DT118)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Bunny(guest)

SPEAKER_04Stephanie(guest)

SPEAKER_05Savannah(guest)

SPEAKER_06Caitlyn(guest)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08Chase(guest)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Nick (producer)(audience)

SPEAKER_12Sava(guest)

SPEAKER_13Azure(guest)

SPEAKER_14Selena(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteStephanie describes converting from boss-babe to submissive wife over years of marriage.

“I really support gender roles I think that they're really important... I have learned to be a submissive wife”

ControversyCaitlyn refuses to concede that men are generally physically stronger than women despite deadlift records, grip strength stats, and Olympic comparisons presented by the hosts.

“I can see in these situations that in comparisons that the men are stronger than the women they are beating the women but I don't know if...”

QuoteChase says he is witnessing 'the case against the 19th Amendment' while watching Caitlyn refuse to answer whether men are stronger than women.

“I'm witnessing the case against the 19th Amendment play out in front of my eyes right now”

QuoteStephanie quotes her husband: 'submit yourself into freedom' as the key to a happy traditional marriage.

“my husband said just submit yourself into freedom because once you do I still get the respect from my husband that I deserve”

ControversyAzure and Savannah clash over whether bikini barista work is sex work. Azure calls Savannah basically a stripper; Savannah denies.

“you're basically a stripper so I don't understand stripper yeah cuz I touch people and I dance on people for money”

QuoteAzure reveals body count: claims ~15, then admits it's definitely higher.

“I think up like 15 think up like 15 yeah up to 15... it's definitely higher than 15 by like ballpark”

QuoteBunny self-rates her looks as 9.3 out of 10.

“9.3”

OtherAzure rage-quits during abortion debate. She says she cannot continue and leaves.

“I'm going to leave I can't I can't with this... Thanks you guys for having me on the Pod I appreciate it and all the differing stuff I just I can't with this”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions & Relationship Status

Guests introduce themselves with name, age, occupation. Brian goes around the table on relationship status, longest relationships, rosters, celibacy. Caitlyn shares situationship with Marine. Sava discusses NBA/rapper DMs.

Feminism & The Patriarchy Debate

Main feminist debate: definition of feminism, whether patriarchy exists, whether women are oppressed, wage gap discussion, men vs women physical strength, high school athletes vs female Olympians comparison.

Sex Work Panel Discussion

Debate on sex work, whether bikini baristas count as sex work, Christianity vs bikini photos (Savannah), stripper red flags, customer red flags, whether men should date sex workers. Selena discusses dating as a dancer.

Twitter/Anti-Men Tweets Review

Brian reviews Azure and Bunny's anti-men tweets: 'God I hate men', 'men should be oppressed', fantasizing about lining up and shooting men. Discussion of misandry double standards.

What Is A Woman Discussion

Panel asked to define 'woman'. Bunny: XX chromosomes. Caitlyn: prefers not to answer (lives for trans community). Sava: hard to define. Selena: biological female. Stephanie: adult human female XX chromosomes. Caitlyn/Sava avoid clear answers on whether trans women are women.

Body Count Discussion

Whether body count matters; guests share their counts. Bunny: unknown (under 100). Caitlyn: 4. Sava: single digit. Selena: 10+ (lost count). Savannah: 20-40 range. Stephanie: private/low. Azure: 15-25+. Stephanie says body count matters.

Ratings Round (Self-Ratings)

Guests rate their own looks 1-10. Bunny: 9.3, Caitlyn: 8-9, Azure: 8-8.5, Sava: 8, Selena: 8-8.5, Savannah: 7-7.5, Stephanie: 8-8.5, Chase: 8-8.5, Andrew: 5, Brian: 6-6.5.

Abortion Debate & Walkoff

Debate on abortion triggered by comment about feminism as a patriarchal tool. Stephanie and Savannah argue life begins at conception. Azure rage-quits at ~5:36 saying she cannot continue the debate. Brief closing statements.

Transcript

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Chasegives herself immediately all of herself to a man there's a lot of guys out there that will take advantage of that and I see a lot of girls get hurt as a result of this yeah you're not wrong you're

Caitlynabsolutely right honestly and but I don't think I was wrong in wanting to be loved and you weren't you weren't acting in a way that you know I don't I don't think I

Chasedon't think you were wrong at all in wanting to be loved what I would say where you went wrong is giving yourself fully to a man who didn't deserve you fully I should have set boundaries with myself absolutely I agree I would say

Chaseyou also should have made him work for your love a little bit harder you know I'm 19 you know I know we we live we live and we learn yeah but it's it's a common mistake that I see women make and

Brian Atlasit sucks because it leaves a lot of women super heartbroken after the fact it does yeah I got got to pull up a chat here while she was gone this one came up Colleen thank you Colleen bunny I

Brian Atlasnoticed you're wearing a Benedictine I mispronounced that cross which is used for exorcisms in the Catholic Church did you know this and why are you wearing it Chase's charity

TTS/Donationsneeds to rub off on the other men wait what I it I literally said you're I I just have a question okay modest Kima

TTS/Donationsdonated $200 wa what interested to know if girls 4 comma 5 comma 6 comma 7 would date a healthy dad bod man that makes six figures also interested in girls 1

TTS/Donationscomma 2 comma 3 to stop talking forever brickson legit WTF is this show grid one left Lal yeah um okay so his question to

Chasethese ladies right here was would you guys date a healthy di man that makes six figures six figures would you uh if he's funny he get some you know good

Selenapersonality it says healthy dad bodies he going to the gym it's liketh not like disgusting but like he's still got a dad well for me I think you read my dating yeah profile it's a requirement for a man to go to the gym if he's going to

Selenadate me I don't care if we make six figures or not requirement okay it is cuz I'm big into the gym so I want someone that goes okay so that's a no if the dad bought if he is in the gym I don't know he just said healthy dad B what I don't know what healthy dad bod

Savannaheven means it's just a dad bod he doesn't look like fit or anything not not yeah I like Dad BS you really yeah I mean it shows that they're not too into their appearance like

Savannahthey're not like super super into it cuz I've got a dad bom right now bro I'm slacking and fat like I still want like I still go to the gym and like I want them to be able to go to the gym with me

Savannahand stuff but like they don't need to be like ripped in fact I don't find that attractive at all when guys are super into their appearance like that like the shredded meatballs that the jam and stuff like they scare me shredded meatballs I'm working I'm trying not to

Stephaniehave a dad bod I'm trying to not have Dad bod but option of answering it whether he want you or not it's been a complicated journey I don't like the dad bot I'm sorry I don't see the hype I I apologize and not knocking you Bri I'm

Brian AtlasI'm working on it though I'm trying to you know I my I stress eat you know so I've gotten a little chubby I'm working on it though if you guys want to call me fat that's that's cool well thanks I

Azuretalk too much but I I like fat boys I'm in I'm in a fat boy era all different body types I'm body positivity for all

Azureoh God okay no but for real personality does care didn't ask by the since I talk too much he mention personality good times good times well

Brian Atlasokay so here we need to do that thing bu people in the chat bunny people in the chat have been wondering got it are you

Chaseunder the influence of any drugs no I think I might beic please it's a really long podcast a little what h into the mic please I

Bunnythink I might be a little narcoleptic what does that mean like your Sleepwalker I get tired when I get stressed oh okay and then I get kind of tired cuz there's been a few

Brian Atlastimes where your eyes have been like I know I my apologies yeah it's no no apology needed I'm just concerned I'm just concerned I don't if you're good I

Brian Atlasthink I just have like not on drugs problems not on not on drugs you promise me it's also a 5 Hour podcast do you promise have you been on drugs you're oh you were about to admit you've been on drugs you've been on drugs it's a 5 Hour

Brian Atlaspodcast I'm like an fetamines what what did you take what an fetamines no I'm asking did did you take on drugs before the show or during the show was up I'm just you if it's no that's I'm kind I'm

Chasekind of curious too have you been under the en substances do I seem under the en I'm just asking if you earlier in the conversation you kind of did to be honest with you for sure oh well I'm I

Azurewas anxious did you pop a s no no no cross your heart and hope to die well I take I take medication for my anxiety which makes me kind of

Azuresleepy that's I'm prescribed like it's like Prozac or something took half a Zen then I'm out for the flight what's that how's that song got you know never mind I don't is it a Drake song Travis Scot

AzureNick do you know it what is it out of curiosity mode is anybody else at this table on SSRS no I'm not kind a personal question I I would have preferred not to ask that but you guys were like

Chaseinterrogating me and I didn't seem like I don't feel like I seem like I was here we have a question earlier earlier in the conversation there were a few moments where I was curious but we have a question from actually wait no just I I was curious if you were on something

Chasethat was slowing your cognition because you said that word that you weren't supposed to say then we called you out on it then 20 you said you understood then 20 seconds later I was anxious and so so I wasn't really like listening at

Brian Atlasthe beginning okay Nick can you pull up that chat from Spyro oh

TTS/Donationsyeah oh B the offender donated $200 one ladies what do you value more money or family I'll question we'll go

Chasearound the table go ahead um in what sense which do you value more money or family you sure you're not on no like no

BunnyI'm literally just asking like because to have a family you need to have some sort of basis ni somebody go ahead go ahead which do you

Andrew Wilsonwant more in life that value your family most huh saying the the necessary precondition for a family is money is to have the money to support So then that would imply that you that family is the

Azurehighest value right yeah family is the highest value what do you value more money or family go ahead um well I don't really want to have a family until I'm I'm in my late 30s to late 30s do you want to have kids

AzureI want to adopt I you don't want to have your own kids I have my own personal reasons I would rather that's totally fine but I'll just but I yeah I'm not going to have children but I want to

Savaadopt in the future but yeah no um I mean it is kind of tough cuz you kind of need like both or whatever right but but what do you value more obviously family like I'd rather be broken my

Selenafamily um so I'm not close with my family so I don't really have a good sense of like what family is so right right now it is money but I would be willing to give up the money to have

Brian Atlaslike a family you know I Su you um respect what do you value more money or

Brian Atlasfamily family wholesome family wholesome family wholesome yeah the family of course oh yeah thousand family family uh

Brian Atlasgo ahead Nick if you need to uh Spyro flops Chase let Andrew cook stop jumping in he doesn't need help to destroy Deens don't tell me what to do Spyro

Brian Atlascome and make me also I love hearing Andrew cook he's a fantastic cook uh thank you for the Canadian 200 man mercy Buu oh and I needed Nick to pull that up um that's not going to work well

Brian Atlasbefore we get into that question um how long is this podcast we're going to wrap pretty soon don't worry I got I got you don't worry boo my back hurts mine too

Azureyou call me boo yeah are you lowkey attracted to him now probably not I'm just a lot of attenion between you is enough no I'm not going to say anything because he's going to slam dunk me am am

Brian AtlasI going to he'll slam dunk me I don't I'm not if you don't want to date me I mean I if I don't really either you have a girlfriend Brian stop wait would you if

Brian Atlasyou didn't I would would would would I might consider oh I highly doubt that we have we have

Azuredifferent doubt I'm not I'm not Asian or 51 like he how tall are you though I'm 5'7 W she's way too tall for you bro but that's above average female height I I

Azurefeel like the joke only works if she's like 5'2 it's only like yeah what how tall are you 641 okay yeah okay okay

Chaseyeah Brian you got my Instagram so ooh oh I thought we hated men come on uh Nick can you pull

Chaseup and we hate there is an underlying vibe that whole time while you guys were arguing back and forth and now it's finally revealed itself Chase is trying to set something it's the enemies to

Brian Atlaslovers Arc you guys okay uh ask everyone ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 starting with you we'll go around the

Bunnytable go ahead um 93 9 .3 okay I don't really want to answer why

Caitlynwhy is that don't have a high self image I mean I I like to think that I'm pretty but then there's like pictures of me that I'm

Caitlynlike how do you feel right now like um like a eight eight or nine depending on the angle that I catch

Azuremyself at okay I like this SLE right here okay yeah you look good thank you I would say like a like an eight nine like

Azurenot a full 10 because everyone has a different type so I'm like prob probably like an eight and a half okay damn I guess we all go in with the same answers um like a eight on a good

Chaseday yeah I would say like an eight or eight and a half I'd say like a seven and a half yeah say like a seven oh ask everyone I guess what's

Chaseyour rating bro five five Rachel thinks he's a 10 knows he's a 10 that's true R my wife thinks she's supposed to think that though yeah I'd give myself s and a

Brian Atlashalf eight on a good day give myself a six six and a half on a good day um wait you're six and a half six then I'm

Brian Atlasseven wow okay well played that's right sorry all right what else do we got we have let's see hold on uh oh we should

Brian Atlashave gotten into this last show but we didn't chase a TTS came in last show that we kind of glanced over the question was Chase would you rather date the world's oldest woman wait How

Brian Atlasdoes it go the world's oldest sleep with Excuse me sleep with the world's oldest woman or the world's hottest transom is that how it goes that is correct which one Chase honestly bro I'd rather sleep

Caitlynwith the oldest woman in the world because then I wouldn't be gay what if the transom has like a straight up vagina like that is like still a dude and it's definitely not a

Azurereal vagina it's like a gaping wound but it's like a it's like it's like a pocket but like better nope here let me let me go so I'll go around the table that's what I we can we

Chasecan get into the it's like a gaping wound that they literally have to dilate it to prevent it did you look it up no I haven't looked it up but I've I've seen I've seen them I've seen so many people online talk about it and they're like trans women and they talk about how they

Chasehave to dilate it every day and sometimes blood it's scary that's aik my question for the panel is um

Chaseafter donated $200 Chase all I'm saying is women typically prattle but so can you yeah you know what bro I I can be long- winded but I also was trying to impart

Chasesome healthy wisdom to a young woman who uh needed to hear it so I'm sorry it bored you bro but I'm trying to leave a positive

Brian Atlasso my question for all of you guys is um do you object to men not wanting to date someone who's trans would you object to

Bunnythat starting with you me um as long as he's not sitting there talking about like all the reasons why he shouldn't he wouldn't want a date a trans

Caitlynperson if he doesn't want to a trans person then that is his preference what about you I think a gen a genital preference is valid I do not think that

Caitlynum like if you're straight how do I phrase genital preference I think that's valid let's I'll just keep it at that

Chasewhat about a preference of like gender sex biological sex he prefers to date females yes biological females I don't

Chasejust prefer to date biological F I will only date biological females stra yeah I don't think look I haven't felt the inside of a transgender vagina so I

Caitlyndon't know if it's the same I have to be direct right I mean it isn't the same biologically biologically I know there's no cervix there's no need to do it to know that it's not the same well I know

Chaseit's not biologically the same just like she was just explaining but like have a prostate she needs the stats on it doesn't it's there's no way it feels the same I have no idea stuck your fingers think there's any possible way

Caitlynsome's body is the same tissue has the same the internal of a mouth has the same tissue as a vagina so I don't know if you it's not a vagina else where did you hear that of course I'm being safe have you felt like inside of my mouth

Savannahand then felt the inside a vagina like not like maybe not the same I think you guys can answer that for us do they feel exactly the same nerves I I wouldn't say they feel exactly the same

Brian Atlassimar close texturally pretty close wait mouth and py and very different feel the side of your I wouldn't say it's very different I would say it feels very

SPEAKER_09different feel the side of your cheek I this conversation right now it feels it took a turn but okay we'll go around let's get

SPEAKER_09everybody's take on this uh do you do you object not prepared for this do you object to a man not wanting to date a trans woman I mean I like like

Azureopen-minded people I understand people have genital preferences so I'm not going to shame that but I mean but what

AzureI mean it I the genital preference thing is it's a you know and it's valid to me um but yeah I just I don't I'm not going to say someone's transphobic but most

Azurepeople I mean I feel like that I've had conversations that are very excuse me transphobic so I just don't appreciate

Azurethe shaming of trans people because of that of the preference but I like I understand the preference but being kind of bigoted towards trans people I just

Caitlyndon't like that part of it because it's kind of goes hand in hand most of the time what did you have something to add really quick really quick and then I'm

Caitlyngoe I believe that trans women are women so that it would kind of object or provide actually I want to get everybody's answers I want to get everybody's answers but we'll go into that go ahead uh I mean personally I

Savakind of think it's just like stupid like to even care about someone's preference like someone could go want a a light bulb and all D them up you know gated

TTS/Donations$200 why are we still talking to the hippie stripper there is nfw as a straight man I am going to be okay kissing another dude no matter how much

SPEAKER_09makeup he has on I'm a hippie stripper guys that's like the best real real couldn't agree

Brian Atlasmore I'd love to hang out with grid one he seems like a cool guy he sounds like a Legend he's got jokes dude he is a Patrick bitman you guys need to

Chaseinvite Patrick baitman on the Pod you mean the fictional character played by Christian Bale who's not actually a real person yes absolutely I think you should invite his assistant on the Pod to ask her exactly how much she makes so that

Azurewe can get down to the bottom of this wage Gap okay yes and then that that will be the real truth and then you guys I I will take the opposite the actual red pill from The Matrix like the

Brian Atlaspremise of the red pill stop it which is not get some help you need like the wait so okay where were we I think were you answering you're saying something about light bulbs I

Chasethink oh um no I basically just said you know like I I don't even think it should be like a topic like people have their own press like it doesn't even matter so like you you'd be chill with like dating

Azurea guy who had only slept with Transformers before he met you honestly like I would cosplay you know as Optimus Prime period period I I wouldn't mind

Azureeither that's I if if there was a man that I dated that only dated trans or not only just dated trans yeah no yeah no he didn't uh I thought you were using

Savannahthat as eism for like go ahead transgender people no I think Everyone's entitled th up preferences okay based absolutely not because that would make

Chasehim gay and I'm not attracted to gay men no I don't object I based what why' you call me based cuz you said no it's fine people

Savannahcan have their preferences yeah but this wait no that that isn't based if I is that based or not I'm so tired for their own preferences I think we're getting the question mixed up I said I would not

Chasedate a man that would a trans person were you saying were you saying were you saying you would people are entitled to their own prence would you object to a man that doesn't want to yeah no that is that is the question

TTS/Donationsthat is the question you were answering would you date hell no hold on Modest hikima donated $200 this is the rating

TTS/Donationsfrom Modest left to right 1A 3A 3A 9A 7 comma 6A 8 8 Maddie I don't rate men so

TTS/Donationsladies please define woman without using the word woman in other words what is a woman sure we'll get into that so we'll I'll get right into that so what were you saying before you were saying what

Brian Atlastrans women are women okay so what that begs the question what is a woman an individual who

Andrew Wilsonhas experiences within a society that reflect Womanhood and Womanhood is not you already you already is Progressive definition what is what

Brian Atlasis Prive what is woman no no not a progressive definition a regressive definition okay I'm sorry then so it's regressive before before we we respond I I actually want to get the whole let

Chaseevery girl answer this question so did you want to add more or um come back to me and I'll I'll think while we're going through think about what Womanhood is

Chaseyes so what is a woman um what is a woman like definition wise sure uh um into the mic please

Brian Atlassh are you googling it it's like a hard question she Googling it um okay that's a hard question all right there's many different definitions from people

Brian AtlasWebsters or Oxford which one are we talking here Mir mirams is a good source I like Miriam's dictionary that's a good one I think Oxford

Bunnyum well if we're going off of like the definition that started when the dictionary started we going off someone

Andrew Wilsonwho was born with XY chromosomes and um XY is male XY is male XX isale

Bunnyokay yeah sorry I don't I forgot science accepted apology accepted thank you um but yeah someone who is born with certain chromosomes is a woman some are

Azureborn with chromosomes that make them A Man based what about you um I prefer not to answer the question cuz I live for the dolls so I I got to you what I got to stick for I got to stick with the

Azureokay well living living for the dolls keeping them in mind what is a woman um I believe I believe it's someone who

Azurepresents themselves Sly as a woman what but what is a woman as a what does it mean to present as a woman I would prefer not to answer that question why

Azurebecause it is a it's a black and white answer that or not it's not a black and white answer for me and I just don't want to be on the top do you have do you have

Caitlynsomething honestly I feel like this is not as Progressive as I want it to be but I'm not 100 there there's going to be no middle

Caitlynground when I say what my answer so I just prefer not to wait just let her finish please go ahead yeah um I guess maybe being a transwoman is not being a woman but simply because of the

Caitlynexperiences so IED it as having the experiences of Womanhood trans Womanhood and cisgender Womanhood you guys know what cisgender is right yes okay okay

Brian Atlasdeeply offensive word by the way how dare you how dare you refer to us a sis all right I'm offended I refer to myself as we're messing with you trans Womanhood and cisgender Womanhood um

Caitlynvery to very different experiences you know the transgender woman probably grew up as a boy so there they have so many

Caitlyndifferent experiences now if they are cisgender passing after they transition they might have a lot of similar experiences not having well the question

Chaseis what is a woman I know that's why I said I took back my answer but you realize the limitations with what you're saying let's just let all the girls answer first so what what is a

Caitlynwoman an individual who has the experience of Womanhood and Womanhood is is experiencing sorry excuse me sexism on a regular basis that's that's

ChaseWomanhood wait wait hold on we wait wait wait based on the tweets that I heard earlier based on the tweets that I heard earlier during this podcast I have been the recipient of sexism tonight are you

Chasetelling me I've experienced Womanhood you've experienced yeah you're one of the dolls now oh you're a girl now do you want to transition but so Womanhood is the experience of sexism on

Caitlyna daily to be more specific sexism from men to women or does that make or the definition of sexism is what you described earlier was the social are you saying Prejudice plus

Brian Atlaspower yes yes Prejudice well I don't I don't believe that definition I'm say I don't believe that defin that you provided okay earlier so right and to re reiterate your position is you can't be

Brian Atlassexist against men is my understanding with that definition yes with that definition yep okay so you're saying that like all all men like for example let's say a woman in a position of

Brian Atlaspower was sexist towards homeless men who have no power would that be sexism like Camala Harris was like just like going around like beating the out of homeless men because they're homeless

Brian Atlasmen is that sexism she would though is it because she has power let me ask you a question does Camala Harris as a woman the vice president of the United States does she have more power than the

Brian Atlashomeless man yes absolutely but so so women are women are capable of having power a go even using Prejudice plus

Brian Atlaspower women can be sexist towards men I don't buy into your use of your definition of sexism but even using your own we can say that women are absolutely capable of being sexist towards men so

Caitlynlong as those women have more power than the men they're being sexist towards I guess it depends on what she is acting upon is she acting upon her power as a woman or is she acting on her power as a

Caitlynwealthy individual so in this situation she would be acting with her intersection of there is a lot of intersection no offense guys this is like this is a waste of time we should get back to what is a woman question sure wait well I think we were we were

Selenaon Sav but she's up getting some water now so what is a woman I mean to keep it concise a woman is a woman that's born a woman from a woman a biological female

Savannahyeah wait we okay well sab's up so sa we need you okay what is a woman a human being with XX

Stephaniechromosomes which you can hide it what is a woman an adult human female with XX chromosomes

Savathank you Matt Walsh OD Sav what is a woman um I don't know that's like a hard question

Savamic into the mic please um yeah sorry um do you mean and terms of can like a transwoman be a woman or no just

Savalike what is a woman um I don't know I think it's just the sense of you know um being feminine um you know like motherhood like carrying empathetic

Azuretraits I feel like it's really hard to summarize what a woman is I feel like it's really not speaking they're talking about bi biology completely yeah yeah we're not talking about like what traits

Savato women ody like just what is what is a woman not like what does she embody but like so it's basically the basis like is

Chasea trans woman a woman essentially yeah they want that's the context it's a probe probe we're trying to we're we're basically trying to clarify do you view

Andrew Wilsontrans women as real I remember what your your question was your earlier you said a probing question question doesn't go anywhere this question actually means something yeah a lot yeah but it's not

Chaseit's not you could just be like our trans women women yeah yeah that's instead of being you could say are trans women women but you could also just ask what are what is a woman you guys have had very diverse answers if you if you

Andrew Wilsondefine it differently than we do right we have a semantic difference yeah then it's actually important for us to reconcile the semantic difference wait move can you move this right yeah just

Azurewith these debates where it's a we're in front of a spectacle where we don't have Rapport so there's no middle ground so so it's like what if I when I want to say something that doesn't mean one of us can't be wrong and one of us can't be

Andrew Wilsonright or both of us be wrong or both of us be right so we don't why do you need Rapport to have an A A logical debate with somebody that's like expert debate

Andrew Wilsonlike people expert Debaters people wi Champion debates don't like what Rapport do you need to have a logical debate with

Azuresomebody you it just the way to have a actual debate that go somewhere that progresses No in fact two people who' never met each other this this conversation is not going to progress

Andrew Wilsonthis is like we've just had different viewpoints there's been no why wouldn't it progress there's a logical distinction here that I can demonstrate to you that a woman cannot be a woman because you say it's a woman because it's a woman because that would be

Andrew Wilsonregressive regressive regressive regressive regressive and that's your opinion then no that's not my opinion I would I would actually I think that'd be super valuable content make that argument Andrew please okay all definitions have to point at something mhm all of them have to point at

Andrew Wilsonsomething so what is a microphone right whatever I say a microphone is has to point at what a microphone actually is so if you say you'll have to patronize

Andrew Wilsonme I know continue well I do have to patronize you so if you say that a woman is a woman it's the end of the road like I will leave oh no I don't care like I don't it's not my show lady I don't give

Savaa if you leave I do I do want to hear what I what I do want to make a point on that an I'm not triggered I just don't want to be triggered is if you're looking strictly at a microphone

TTS/Donationsright a microphone the off $200 so glad I never went to college to get indoctrinated by these ideals the things they teach in these cookie pen and women apart because the

TTS/Donationsestablishment knows the nuclear family is a threat to them facts dude well said so you're uneducated am I allowed to leave but I think the one thing you know like what's with the attitude I just

Azurewant to go I I don't like this debate which debate the what is a woman debate or I like the because you want to switch to body count we could talk about body count what's your body count I can't I can't

Azurebody count racism on anything racism huh or like any of these debates about like the social like I can't the the socio what

Azurejust the social the social social social issues because this is a dating show and now we're talking about trans women well because because there is to some degree and it's like I can't speak for I can't speak for trans women and I'm not about

Brian Atlasto and I I have a lot of people in my life that I care about lot of people have a lot of opinions on about a lot of things but there have that's why I want to what I don't want to get angry gang

Azureyou don't want to what I don't want to get upset gang cuz I I want to respect everybody in the room but I don't want to get yeah but isn't it your responsibility if you're going to I would rather just leave yeah if that's

Chasethe case so I mean I to so I will say I mean I'm not I'm certainly not going to keep you here but I will say if you feel this strongly about your love for your friends that identify as trans this is Fant this is a fantastic opportunity for

Brian Atlasyou to make a case for why they are women in your eyes yeah I just I don't want to I we can talk about body count let's talk about body count what's yours and does it matter does body count

Brian Atlasmatter I'm curious I'm very curious about this topic let's talk about body count okay let's do it I would say probably um what's the first rule of

AzureFight Club that you always talk about everything that happens in Fight Club I know I know the I know the quote

Azurebut um I think up like 15 think up like 15 yeah up to 15 up to

Brian Atlas15 and I lost my virginity when I was 14 so okay um that's my scale so that's my scale who which one of you tweeted about

Brian Atlashaving a something about time to be a host so wait what was it one of you tweeted something about like time to I was men back to the roster right something like that um here we'll do

Bunnybody count uh we'll go around the table one should body count matter two what's your body count it shouldn't matter and I don't keep a body count do

Brian Atlasrange of how many people you've had sexual intercourse with but I just like write down on a L every time I have sex with no but you could think well there was that guy that guy that guy there was

Brian Atlasher that guy that guy like you know you can wa you get a reasonable estimate you know reasonable estimate nothing M to you could do a range 10 to

Brian Atlas20 20 to 30 less than 100 more than 100

Bunnythere's I don't know less less than 100 oh okay that's helpful yeah so 0 to 990 to yeah 0 to 99 you guys can figure out from there because I don't

Brian Atlasknow either that we have a rule on this podcast if you give a range we have to assume it's the higher end we have to assume like if you say 1 to 50 we have

Bunnyto say 50 it's 50 then okay if you say so do you want to just tell us the bodyy account no because I don't keep track I don't have like a not is it more here

Bunnylet me ask is it more than 10 ballpark yeah more than 10 more than 20 I don't know you don't know no were you on Xanax for most of these encounters I've been having sex since I was 17 okay all right

Caitlynwhat about you um I don't think it's important but minus four okay um does body count matter what's

TTS/Donationsyour body count I think um it can this guy loves interrupting you thank you don't debate only answer questions with questions the only liberal that debates

TTS/Donationsis Destiny and he only gets owned as he did three times on whatever interesting how so hard to Define woman all right um I think you know like sometimes you know

Savait can be just kind of dependent if you're getting into a serious relationship for me I want them to be extremely loyal if they're exhibiting qualities you know right before we're getting into something they're still talking to people they're doing a lot of

Savahookups just cuz I'm I don't do that like I personally wouldn't want that and my partner sure um for my body count that's only between me and my future

Savapartner but I will give you that it's a single digit you can count on a single hand just so nobody gets any ideas but I don't personally okay all right yeah no I don't think body count matters I

Selenahaven't asked a man what his body count was in years I think it's more so if someone's being safe and getting tested regularly and what their views are on sex but I do you prefer monogamy but uh okay so it doesn't matter so what's your

Selenabody count I don't know I don't keep track of it either range more than 10 see cuz I don't know I'm old like I don't want to keep track you're old how old are you I'm 25 that's not that's not

Selenathat old I know I'm 25 I lost my virginity at 19 like okay 6 years 6 years yeah uh so why are you looking at me like that yeah for

Brian Atlasreal I'm just sitting here TW more than 20 no come on be honest if you've lost count it's more than 20 no I just don't feel the need to keep track of that sh I'm not going to like but you can okay

Brian Atlaslike if I'm just trying if I'm trying to remember all the concerts I've been to I can start counting okay I went to that Pearl Jam concert I went to see this band this band I might forget a couple

Brian Atlasof the Bands I've seen oh I forgot to I forgot I went to The Warp Tour etc etc um you can there might be a few you forget but you can start okay there was

Brian Atlasthere was uh Roberto there was uh Bartholomew there was Bartholomew uh there there was um Cornelius you can

Brian Atlasstart remembering the the names or the encounters I don't hook up a lot anymore like I used to anymore but you us you used to hook up a lot I think body count

Selenadefines who you are in present time a 50 no just come on just start count like start naming the dudes I'm not going to name dudes how many how

Brian Atlasmuch just in the military just in the military how many in the military like 10 10 in the military and how long were you in the military for a year okay so

Brian Atlaswe're going to do the math here so 10 in a year lost her virginity at 19 she's now 25 10 per year 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 70 I haven't even 10 guys this

Brian Atlasyear or last year or the year before that so like my total like what what right but maybe you put all your you got all the numbers at you know I just started hooking up less the last few

Brian Atlasyears I just changed my mindset on you do it like a 10 per year average no know you're like 10 per year what okay so yeah 10 per year average what he's saying but you could have done like 30

Brian Atlasat 19 or 20 right okay does that sound accurate No you want okay all right all range

Savannahrange 20 to 30 40 to 50 what when we there not that one it's your eight I just leave it at that all right what about what about you uh my body count is three and it absolutely does matter uh

Savannahthat's why so many women don't want to answer the question and that's why they lie about their body count because inherently they know that it does matter and it affects your ability to pair bond do you think that I'm lying about

Savannahnot remembering I didn't say you were I was just saying most women do no I abolutely believe don't remember yeah like 100% I believe that but I was I

Azureknew that someone was going to say something anyway so I was going to be I'm I'm GNA say that's why they say you should times it by three I'm not lying though multip that's the real I hope you

Stephaniefind a good man me too um I think body count matters especially for men I think that it matters more for men than it does for women um respectfully I'm not going to

Stephanieshare my body count it's okay between my husband and I and God sure low enough to get married though so low enough to get M so are you saying that if it's too

Stephaniehigh if it's too high can a woman no longer get married or will it make it more difficult for her no I I absolutely think that she can still get married I think that it will be more difficult and I think that's

Stephaniegoing to narrow down the demographic of the type of man that she's going to get doesn't have to be so harsh doesn't have to be so hurtful but you absolutely have a choice um and you

Stephaniecan you can regret the things that you've done too and choose not to act that way in the future and procure a man that can value you sure amen I agree with that completely you guys can

Selenarespect her decision to not disclose it but you like want to come on me and her for not disclose it but just she's married though too to be fair oh yeah but that's be so like what that's

Stephaniebecause she has a husband but actually said I'm not going to disclose it you kind of gave them the Curiosity so that opens up the to them

Bunnydiving into I also was to disclose it I was about to say that I said I wasn't I don't want to like I don't want to disclose it and then you said just give me an estimate just give me an estimate so then I made one up I'm not sure if

Savannahthat's the first she gave an estimate though she she said it's low enough to get married and she said yeah you said you don't know so then I started you know I started well I mean what about

Azureyou lied Li least you can admit it I respect that you you lied as an entire higher than 15 about I don't I honestly don't keep track I lost my virginity at

Azure14 I've okay so you think it's higher I don't think it's that I think it's around like 15 but I think a lot of girls don't count certain bodies like

Brian Atlassometimes if it's a one night stand you won't even count that if the sex was bad you won't count that if it was just head you won't count that I'm trying to count I like don't even want to disclose but I

Azurethink it's funny but it's like ballpark 15 20 or something like that 15 20 25 maybe yeah I'm trying to be as honest as possible

Azuregenuinely h i did lie about like yeah cuz it's definitely higher than 15 by like ballpark word word Andrew any thoughts on body count you got any thoughts I've already seen this clip of

Selenahim talking about it wait what nothing I've seen that was it it was you right in the clip of you going on some girl cuz you okay maybe it wasn't you never mind never mind I you got thoughts on

Andrew Wilsonand Wilson yeah yeah it matters a lot especially seems to mat it doesn't seem to matter so much on men interestingly enough but it I'm glad you mentioned that because men take it seriously when

Azureit comes to women though so women they don't want to they don't want to imagine their holes getting Raad that's why men don't like that well no see what it is

Andrew Wilsonactually is that women don't care they have a selection bias so what happens is if if men have not slept with a woman women think there's something wrong with

Azurehim it enters into a red flag area for them no I love I love a virgin I literally love a virgin that's just not true not only is it true but there's

Andrew Wilsonempirical it's not I've taken two virginities as an adult like adult men I've took I've taken virgin whatever your personal experience is doing something that

Andrew Wilsondoesn't mean that doesn't mean that it's applicable okay to everybody else right doesn't mean it's applicable to everybody else so what what we find is

Andrew Wilsonseemingly just just it seems this way that men tend to Value virtue and Chastity in women a lot more than women

Azurevalue Chastity and Min I would have to disagree based on what disagree about what the chassity and like women don't care about chassity

Andrew Wilsonand Men I don't want to date a hoe like a who's had like but I mean so this is what I mean by like the

Andrew Wilsonthe subjective metric right you if a guy had two like had slept with two women MH versus he had slept with 10 women yeah

TTS/Donationswhat difference does that make to you none that then you just made my point for you or for me what how did that make your point donated

TTS/Donations$200 question for the panel what other than three usable SS and an attitude do you have to offer in a relationship for the married lady your lovely based description of married life earlier gets

Andrew Wilsonyou a pass oh because because if you don't care between the two to 10 which you said you didn't if I ask you that means I'm saying that I don't think body count for men no no no you no that's not

Andrew Wilsonyou're rephrasing the answer I asked you specifically if a man right has slept with two women or 10 women I'm to tired what does it matter and you said it doesn't matter right that's my whole point doesn't matter to you the person

Azurewho said it matters but to men that matters I mean like I still I guess yeah it could matter on both sides like if the body count is high I think there's a

Savannahpsychological difference too yeah with sex men treat sex more of a physical as a physical thing women it's more of a mental yeah I can agree with that what

Brian Atlasthat's why it affects us so much why body count matters GD one he's just asking what do you offer in a relationship than the language is a little strong I don't want to repeat it

Brian Atlasbut um uh well this I think he as also sent um a question earlier on asking what are they oh I think he also asked what are

Brian Atlasthey looking for in a relationship um h i mean I agree with Andrew here on on

Brian Atlasthis one though like generally speaking I would say men care far more about body count than do women I'm not again it's Are there women that would prefer men

Brian Atlasthat are non- promiscuous absolutely perhaps a lot of women don't want to date a promiscuous man but I would argue that generally speaking women care far less about a man's sexual past in in so

Brian Atlasmuch as if he's slept with a lot of women I think most women it's not as big of a deal as it is to men why I haven't heard like anyone ask me that since high

Azureschool like that's so like it's just such a amateur question like if a grown man I would be I'd be honest but like if a grown man and I were like getting into

Azurea relationship or something and he was saying what's your body count heyyo what's your body count I'd be like immature I think it's just like immature I don't think it's are you the Paragon

Azureof maturity did I use that no I'm not I'm not did I use that yeah no I just think it's like a odd qu I mean cuz like if I'm not if they don't see me actively

Azurelike being a hoe or a or something like I just don't understand why the reason that it's ingrained in men is it because it's like an insecurity of who I'm going to tell you I don't like to

Andrew Wilsonuse the insecurity thing like it's not because any of that it's because of paternity it's because of paternity so how could men previous to paternity tests have more assurance that their

Andrew Wilsonoffspring was theirs but but like no no no answer my question don't ask a question answer

Andrew Wilsonit that's why you you think that monogamy might be a really good way to help ensure that your Offspring was your yeah when you're in a when you're in a relationship yeah but so one of the things that you can point to to look at

Andrew Wilsonto determine this is if a woman's sleeping with a lot of different men that she's probably not going to be monogamous and so therefore the you your Assurance is your Offspring is going to

Azurebe yours far lower well more likely if a like I've just a lot of like ho men date ho women so

TTS/Donationslike what does that have to do with my point I don't know you're like coming bikini or full new pictures of you online for free let's not lie your pics

TTS/Donationsare leaked or by paying $5 to 15 one time why would I ever marry you already gave the secret away already gave the

Azuresecret away thank you Jac appreciate it you don't know what it feels like which which one on the panel the the hole the the do you think that's the

Brian Atlasprimary fresh breast in your mouth you don't know what tast you think do you think that's the primary reason a man wants to marry a woman is her or her tit hope not I would hope not okay

Caitlynso your response to jaama kind of Falls flat there it's more about being with I think is what I responded to but the mar is like

Brian Atlasokay taking like the step Nick where did Chase go is he on the balcony yeah he needs to is he smoking what's he doing I don't know okay see what do you mean you

Brian Atlascan't see facing away I imagine might okay all right um let's see if we're caught up on chats before we wrap up the show oh wait do we have this oh okay um

Andrew Wilsonanybody any final thoughts from anybody yeah just would still like to have an answer to that question I don't I'm so tired like I

Azuredon't I've been here for so long I don't feel like I I would love to answer when I'm of the right frame of mind to to have a actual

Azurephilosophical smart intelligent answer do you have those a lot so I'm not clipped no I'm making I'm I'm joking with you yeah I was joking I

Azurewas joking with you too except my was funny mine and mine was too boom roasted please I need everyone to clap in the

Azureroom but not how long how many relationships have you had me

Azureyeah um uh serious ones I've or yeah relationships two two yeah who ended the relationship me both both of them yes okay that's actually fairly common women

Brian Atlastypically end relationships more so than men but um I do want to go around the table on this uh what are your parents still together or separated for this is

Azurefor everybody your parents together or were they ever married if they were married are they separated divorced separated and I I was going to mention about how you guys always talk about daddy issues and I it's the complete

Azureopposite for me like my dad is supportive of me and my I don't have my mother my life okay so I just like I want like you guys should like talk about parental issues cuz not every girl has Daddy the daddy issues things I I

Brian Atlasjust think that's so stupid I'm just asking the question so are are your parents still together married are you on drugs me yeah just

Bunnycuz I'm yawning no just she asked you a question what's but like no I'm not you sure yeah let me scoot in closer so

Bunnysorry there can you scoot over again please thank you I I asked a question yeah and I'm wondering why you were asking that question though why I'm asking if your

Brian Atlasparents are still together or are they it's just a no oh the drug question yeah because you've seemed a little bit out of it previously you explained that you have narcolepsy but You' seed a little bit out of it you frequently go

Brian Atlasto the bathroom so I don't know what I've also dranken like three cups of water since I've sat down that cool yeah okay fine you're not on drugs cool do you want to answer do you want to answer

Bunnythe question um how long have my mom and dad been together no what's the question are your parents still together um no my dad died when I was three okay what about

Caitlynyou my parents are divorced um but my stepdad has been in my life since I was six uh yes they're together mine are

Brian Atlasdivorced my parents got divorced I was 18 they're still together okay still together cool good times good times oh I forgot I

Brian Atlasforgot there was something in there I'm sorry do we have the paper towels over do we have the paper towels um any final thoughts from anybody else I think you

Azuregot yours in what about anybody feminism for the win no feminism for the yes but oh okay shout out to my dad mediis for the

Brian Atlasfeminism for the win and shout out to my daddy I think feminis abortion is a tool of the patriarchy wait abortion is a tool of the patriarchy yep wait abortion is

AzureHealth Care it is absolutely not healthare doesn't kill an innocent human being it's a abortion is the murder of children amen it's the then we would be

Azurein a mass genocide crisis are lit are well you should be you should be running into clinics and getting the murderers

Savaout do you do you see do you see um life as the very um start like conception contion from con then why aren't more um

Azurewhy aren't more Planned Parenthood um you you see you have to why aren't people getting arrested using legislation as well they're if it's murder for Morality if it's murder then

Andrew Wilsonthey should be getting arrested okay slavery was also legal no no no no no no listen listen doesn't make what is a murder a murder is an unjustified killing that's what a murder

Azureis right so in this particular case I'm going to leave I can't I can't with this I'm going to I think I think if someone actually the medical field out you go you can bring your friend too just we

Azuredon't need to make you don't need to say anything else just leave leave than you guys for having me on the Pod I appreciate it and all the differing stuff I just I can't with this that's

Brian Atlasfine just that's fine just leave a long drive get get on the thing Nick just go bye no dude you got

Brian Atlasto not that's not what I'm talking about Nick what you what are you talking about I'm a little confused what are you what are you

Brian Atlastalking about bro Nick you need if if we're doing a kickoff you need to be on the keyboard okay you got to be on the keyboard I asked oh the keyboard gotta do you know why yeah okay I know anyways

Nick (producer)I was a little confused I thought you want me to video so then you're kind of not giving me I know but you never mind we'll talk about it after the show all

Savaright um anyways that refused to talk about any issue I mean she super bad what it what it kind of comes down from coming from someone who was initially going into the medical field and

Savaeverything like that I feel like you kind of look at it more biologically right absolutely and obviously there's a point when Consciousness is formed and you know I feel like there's a lot of

Savathings that have a potential for Life each time someone engages an intercourse right that's the potential for life you know every single ovary every single sperm cell that's also the potential for

Savalife right and I think it comes to a point where something goes from um a collection of cells to life and I think there is a break between it hang

Chaseon you're conflating life with Consciousness it it is absolutely life when the sperm and the so there is a sci scientifically it's classifi as life so

Andrew Wilsonthat is not really where the dispute is the dispute usually comes in to I value sentience so like maybe you probably don't value all life right you probably don't value bacterial infections even

Andrew Wilsonthough that might be alive you don't value any of that right so you would get rid of all that um but you probably value something else that you consider human life maybe it's sentience Consciousness something like

Andrew Wilsonthat right isn't that where it would be right so what is sentience then that's the question what is it um I mean sentience comes from you know being able

Savato form thought and you know like it's it's basically Free Will that's you know what living sentience is Free Will I mean essentially yeah it's free thought

Savafree will do you think a newborn has that um yeah it's basically the form of Consciousness what about a coma patient does a coma patient have free will or when you're sleeping yeah but I

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