2 TOXIC Feminists RAGE QUIT?! HEATED Debate! | Dating Talk #118

Date: 2023-11-15

Duration: 5h 58m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBunny (DT118)>

CCaitlyn (DT118)>

AAzure (DT118)>

SSelena (DT118)>

SSavannah (DT118)>

AAndrew Wilson >

SStephanie (DT118)>

CChase (DT118)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Bunny(guest)

SPEAKER_04Stephanie(guest)

SPEAKER_05Savannah(guest)

SPEAKER_06Caitlyn(guest)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08Chase(guest)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Nick (producer)(audience)

SPEAKER_12Sava(guest)

SPEAKER_13Azure(guest)

SPEAKER_14Selena(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteStephanie describes converting from boss-babe to submissive wife over years of marriage.

“I really support gender roles I think that they're really important... I have learned to be a submissive wife”

ControversyCaitlyn refuses to concede that men are generally physically stronger than women despite deadlift records, grip strength stats, and Olympic comparisons presented by the hosts.

“I can see in these situations that in comparisons that the men are stronger than the women they are beating the women but I don't know if...”

QuoteChase says he is witnessing 'the case against the 19th Amendment' while watching Caitlyn refuse to answer whether men are stronger than women.

“I'm witnessing the case against the 19th Amendment play out in front of my eyes right now”

QuoteStephanie quotes her husband: 'submit yourself into freedom' as the key to a happy traditional marriage.

“my husband said just submit yourself into freedom because once you do I still get the respect from my husband that I deserve”

ControversyAzure and Savannah clash over whether bikini barista work is sex work. Azure calls Savannah basically a stripper; Savannah denies.

“you're basically a stripper so I don't understand stripper yeah cuz I touch people and I dance on people for money”

QuoteAzure reveals body count: claims ~15, then admits it's definitely higher.

“I think up like 15 think up like 15 yeah up to 15... it's definitely higher than 15 by like ballpark”

QuoteBunny self-rates her looks as 9.3 out of 10.

“9.3”

OtherAzure rage-quits during abortion debate. She says she cannot continue and leaves.

“I'm going to leave I can't I can't with this... Thanks you guys for having me on the Pod I appreciate it and all the differing stuff I just I can't with this”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions & Relationship Status

Guests introduce themselves with name, age, occupation. Brian goes around the table on relationship status, longest relationships, rosters, celibacy. Caitlyn shares situationship with Marine. Sava discusses NBA/rapper DMs.

Feminism & The Patriarchy Debate

Main feminist debate: definition of feminism, whether patriarchy exists, whether women are oppressed, wage gap discussion, men vs women physical strength, high school athletes vs female Olympians comparison.

Sex Work Panel Discussion

Debate on sex work, whether bikini baristas count as sex work, Christianity vs bikini photos (Savannah), stripper red flags, customer red flags, whether men should date sex workers. Selena discusses dating as a dancer.

Twitter/Anti-Men Tweets Review

Brian reviews Azure and Bunny's anti-men tweets: 'God I hate men', 'men should be oppressed', fantasizing about lining up and shooting men. Discussion of misandry double standards.

What Is A Woman Discussion

Panel asked to define 'woman'. Bunny: XX chromosomes. Caitlyn: prefers not to answer (lives for trans community). Sava: hard to define. Selena: biological female. Stephanie: adult human female XX chromosomes. Caitlyn/Sava avoid clear answers on whether trans women are women.

Body Count Discussion

Whether body count matters; guests share their counts. Bunny: unknown (under 100). Caitlyn: 4. Sava: single digit. Selena: 10+ (lost count). Savannah: 20-40 range. Stephanie: private/low. Azure: 15-25+. Stephanie says body count matters.

Ratings Round (Self-Ratings)

Guests rate their own looks 1-10. Bunny: 9.3, Caitlyn: 8-9, Azure: 8-8.5, Sava: 8, Selena: 8-8.5, Savannah: 7-7.5, Stephanie: 8-8.5, Chase: 8-8.5, Andrew: 5, Brian: 6-6.5.

Abortion Debate & Walkoff

Debate on abortion triggered by comment about feminism as a patriarchal tool. Stephanie and Savannah argue life begins at conception. Azure rage-quits at ~5:36 saying she cannot continue the debate. Brief closing statements.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasokay next the thought of sex with straight men archetype makes me want to vomit for the first time in my life okay yeah do you want to talk about that

Brian Atlasabout vomiting not particularly yeah so don't why you well it's just I mean that that's a bit manderas but okay men um I could Pro that was Pro men make me want to vomit why can't they just be quiet do

Brian Atlaswe hey do we do we make you want to vomit probably occasionally okay you say men J V I'm why can't they just be quiet okay um yeah probably has to do with

Brian Atlassomething this is definitely towards one man like I know definitely okay here comes these are all over a year ago that I like I don't even so your thoughts have changed okay never working while a man pays for all your stuff is kind of

Bunnyqueen feminist by the way that's not a very that's not a real feminist position is why do you think that like being a feminist being a feminist means that I be I can choose

Bunnywhatever path I want I can choose whatever path I want to take that should be my right and that should be every woman's right like she's so valid for

Bunnyhaving five kids that's amazing sure okay keep going there like I'm not talk there's nothing wrong um oh you woke rer you're back oh

Brian Atlasthis is now this is you I can't really I don't have my glasses on so I can't see I'll read it I'll read it okay in a place in my life where I cannot hang out with men who make less money than me please don't waste my time yeah because

Azurethere'll be like drug addicts who post post Crown Royal on their Snapchat that'll be like do you want to kick it for the night and I'm just like okay sure I just don't me just over

Brian Atlassexualizing men in my music because it's a free country and when was the last time you were harassed on a city street about your outfit sir okay um not that bad I I'm sorry I'm like I

Azurethink it's I think I'm sorry it's funny I I live for that you guys get harassed when you walk down the street do they like whistle or like slow I make music about like boys I boys I love I love ABS

BunnyI love skinny boys I love fat boys you often dress like this no no I'll be I'll be walking in the middle of the night in sweats a big t-shirt walking just to 7-Eleven across the street and then I

Brian Atlasget slowed down and ask pull it back up neck pull it back up next men be like I love strong independent women women being strong

Brian Atlasindependent and reliant on themselves men there's something off here most men this is a Trope this is a Trope from women saying I want to be I'm a strong independent women most men are not out

Azurehere saying I want a strong independent woman yeah I don't know any dudes that's not a thing like maybe you're making that up in your feminist a lot of guys like always

Azurethe men that I've been around leech off of me so if I sounds like you're hanging out with losers I that's why I posst I distance myself from people like that sure go ahead next

Brian AtlasNick men broke my soul then I learned how to get into their heads to use them and feel special what's this was very much in a a toxic

AzureI'm not even going to lie this was years ago it was in a it was in a it's these were personal so these were personal attacks towards like sub tweeting me like me sub tweeting someone so it's not

Azurethese are like it's not like as these are not just general statements about your views I was just mad at a man like sometime you know Twitter let me ask if a black

Azureif a say a black person made you mad would would you would it be equally justifiable to say this about black no I just don't think it's that serious when I make fun of men like I just don't I'm

AzureI do you think it's that serious when men make fun of women like it depends on the context like I wasn't being does it sound like violent to you what I said anything that I said

Andrew Wilsonyeah but I mean it's rather if if a dude is guy jok about the art yeah but if a dude is making fun of women in the same exact context that you are right yeah sometimes it's funny I I well I mean you wouldn't be a hypocrite and say they

Azureshouldn't be they shouldn't do that no I just if it's violent VI violent jokes towards women which is that I see more often it's like sure well she she said what what did you say that you hate men

BunnyI I don't want to misquote you I forgot the exact what did you say oh no my tweet my tweet from also like 3 years ago I can't tell you cuz I just read it and I forgot that ever

Brian Atlasexists um most of mine were subet men were to say a lot of them cuz I can sit here and say I object to men saying that they hate women M can you do you object

Azureto women saying that they hate men um I have no business on objecting of another woman's I'm starting to change

Azuremy opinion about like saying that but I like I just think it's punching up still because so you're saying it's okay to say that you hate men yes but there's no

Andrew Wilsonviolence that is going to come from me saying that of of course there is I I don't believe that I just don't agree does that mean it's okay then to say it as long as we can't measure in any way

Andrew Wilsonthat a violent occurrence happens from it there's no way to know but I mean I told you I have there's no way to know there's no way to know and we can't empirically demonstrate it then how can

Andrew Wilsonhe even say you're punching up because there's just generations of men being the same way towards women how would you well how would you demonstrate it when you say to me that there's no possible

Andrew Wilsonway that we could empirically measure whether or not me making a with you I so then so how is it even punching up really because I just don't

Azurefeel like me saying I hate like as a it's such a literal joke it's what's the joke it's just unserious like you're not going to be like I hate women unless you're just an incel like I don't you

Chaseknow what I mean have you considered the possibility wait have you considered the possibility that you're a very toxic female yes I do I I feel I consider myself toxic okay I have a lot of toxic

Azuretraits Pride you take pride in that I don't take pride in toxicity AB absolutely not but is it worth fixing yes like I go to therapy I work on my

Azuremental health and I try to better myself I've I have personal things that make me like toxic towards men that's why

AzureI've I don't hate men like that the general statement of it is just silly because it's like is it yes because it's not serious if I were to say I hate

Azureeveryone knows if I post that I'm being like goofy it's not if a man if a man statement for me if a man were to say that he hates women would you object to that

Azurestatement yeah would it be a sexist statement yeah but it is a sexist statement for you to say that you hate men yeah it was sexist but it's such a different like it's different context if

Azurea man if a man says that it's like to me I immedi it just I immediately think it's violence like it's violence how could that be violence it's a violent statement how that how could that be

Brian Atlasviolence how could you how could you empirically Dem I can't empirically demonstrate making it up so you're just making it up in okay in well in my opinion that's in my opinion do you hate

Brian Atlasmen CU it was your Tweet do you hate men no okay do you hate men I hate patriarchal structures it's crazy to me because I

Brian Atlasdon't hate women I can very if you ask me if I hate women I can very quickly answer that question but you had to pause I think it sounds like you I don't want to put words in in your mouth but

Azureyou kind of do it's not clear to me exactly what your answer is I like being around men I don't hate men I I I agree with her but it's it's shocking to me this seems like such a in the same way

Azurewith the discussion about physical strength I'm literally giving you such a layup here to like I'm asking you I I don't want the little men watching

Azurethe to think that they're hated I don't want the teenage boys watching this to think that they're hated I really like you're just punching up but they're you just punch you up I say men men and like

Chasepersonal it's just jokes from my personal experience so the problem though with expressing that stuff online is those teenage boys if they're watching this show or if they're listening to you guys right now they're going to think to themselves man there's

Azurea lot of women in this world that just straight up hate the kind of man that I want to become but you guys frame it you guys know how to frame it more towards that way because like literally just expressing that you you guys are

Azureexpressing that you hate men online I said I did it's and I I express that as jokes like it is jokes throw out a statement and then

Andrew Wilsonbackrack it's toxic it's a it's a toxic thing to say yes I feel like I could even Grant it and I could even say it's okay fine sure just kidding big deal platform

Andrew Wilsonwhere there's a bunch of teenage boys that when say very seriously about that statement when you say it's toxic that men do it do the exact same thing that's

Chasewhere I'm like wait a second so okay this all funny haha I admitted that it was toxic on my side too but hey guys hey I I have an idea I have an idea let's uh shift this conversation in a

Azuremore positive note would it be possible to express three things that you guys love about men yes of course what what three things do you love about men I like men I like that they can be really

TTS/Donationssoft vulnerable um and they are really generous people first in my opinion very

TTS/Donationsfeminine traits but I Nuno donated $200 air I gave you a w and you threw it in the trash can a black man say he

TTS/Donationshates white women is that punching up or down who's more oppressed careful Hassan might see this you want to answer that

Brian Atlaswait I don't you said can you want to move on from it well I just she didn't hear it or whatever so I Hass if you

Chasewatch saying he's asking say he wants he hates white women is that punching Up Wait bring it back they said that Hanan said he hates white punching up if a if a black man were to say that is that

Azurepunching up cuz white I me I've heard I've heard them say that I do think that here I'm going to just get through the tweets go

Brian Atlasahead uh I'm in the mood to be mean to men again nice as your won't be back huh no we didn't do that one Nick won't

Brian Atlasbe back for another 6 months you're in a mood to be mean to men again okay position all right next me before lining up a group of men who have harmed a

Brian Atlaswoman in any way in any way and Merc mercilessly shooting them ex execution style you're talking about violence right yeah that's a that's rather

Azureviolent it doesn't matter because she doesn't have the institutional power no I'm I'm admitting that that I was going through a toxic time period it's not just toxic it's misandrist and sexist

Azureyeah it was misandrist I I was a misandrist for a long time I'm are you still are though I'm not no I'm trying to work through like any of that okay

Brian Atlasbecause I I'm still learning I'm 23 like sure there's a lot to learn in this life and to change I'm really tired of liking the same muscular Bond blonde e boys

Brian Atlaswhere's the flavor of my dad taught me better than this he said to stay away from white

Azuremen um I grew up in a Hispanic family so yes why did he why did he tell you that because um traditionally in like Hispanic household just like that modest

TTS/Donationshe $0000 brickson Ty for answering my question of TTS uping good or bad for business business why invite seven girls

TTS/Donationsand question three why invite Andrew and let him have 10 sentences Plaza stop torturing the other four

Brian Atlasgirls well uh you know it's uh I I'm check I'm tired you I hold on I do think it would make great content to focus more energy the table I want to

Brian Atlasjust at least get through the tweets and then we'll move on go ahead how many tweets are there guys are so lucky you have so many options for girls meanwhile they're like two attractive men where I live bye okay that's not live in a small I live a small next is there next the

Brian Atlasonly thing broke men have to offer is Dick please leave me the F alone see he thinks that more funny that's pretty funny but it is true like

AzureI that was a true statement I'm not going to lie the last two were I'm not going to you back or back from

Brian Atlasthe why do men not think they can't be used for sex too any man I spoke to this year I care just am as much about you as you did me or less you good question

Brian Atlasmark okay this is definitely so towards somebody like specific look the only thing brokem men have to offer his dick a mid ass Spotify playlist on the audacity please collapse under full moon

Brian Atlasand stay the hell away from me I'd rather scarecrow okay next I'm hash I'm Richard no straight men are allowed consumption of my music by any means if a straight man is caught listening dancing or vibing to music made by me

Brian Atlasconsequence consequences will be extreme but veryy maybe find $300 to my cash app okay next because my music is for the gayest Girls lgbtq plus okay I I hope my

Brian Atlasmusic understand it I hope my music make men makes men uncomfortable yeah okay just cuz it's so girly it's so hyper feminine I hope my

Brian Atlasmusic do you think what about if we were to place men with um I hope my music makes just input any other group of

Azureindividuals in place of men listen to any rap song Like actually ever or any rock song ever any rock song ever like

Brian AtlasJam lead better they're just that's super example of misogyny yes it's all misog Jam songs okay I mean you said any

Brian Atlasrock song I mean just like rocks just male a lot of 7080s rock most I would argue most like rock songs if you listen to them especially like they're

Brian Atlastypically like guys almost pedaling women listen to like Blink 182 songs they're like basically sing they're talking about love and all this I know yeah like there's there's love

Brian Atlassongs I'm saying that there's a lot of misogyny in male music so I was just making a joke okay fine next one I stopped talking to men and hook hooking up with Rand and I feel innocent again childlike okay I can my TW my

Brian Atlastweets are not this without having to think about a man at the end of the day not like I feel bad for the other girls in the room this is how to properly treat a high value man ladies take notes um come home please the kids scroll down

Brian Atlasscroll down scroll down scroll down scroll down and is this you who sent this I don't know send a video of you sobbing real tears and I might yes because I like a man with

Azurevulner vulnerable vable vulnerability vulnerable I can't say that word right now I'm having a stuck moment next tweet ni oh these are the dating apps okay we have herds

Brian Atlaspulled up me okay do you need to use the bathroom or we can come we can come back to you here let me do uh Nick pull up twitch really quick guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime

TTS/Donationssub their right corner donated $200 why does the whatever podcast pretend to be a debate Channel when it is actually an only fans at agency we end simp Culture by teaching men to not

Brian Atlasgive an ounce of attention to these entitled hoes I agree with that all right that is how to end s culture we have did I get the peacecraft

Brian Atlasone um hold on let me pull that up peacecraft bikini coffee stands in Washington were started by the curly CIO crime

Brian Atlasfamily after they were banned from owning Rick's strip club on Rico charges not only is it sex work it funds organized crime but like so are you saying that like most of the sex work

Andrew Wilsonpeople that we're talking about well that's just it was ran by a man yeah but you you see mine's ran by a woman actually yeah but you see this point though he's saying the organized crime

Andrew Wilsonfamily in order to get around a ban on them being able to have strippers went and started a bikini barista service in order to get around the band so it was

Andrew Wilsondefinitely sex that's that no I know it's not but listen what he's saying is it was literally started to be a replacement for stripping by a crime

Andrew Wilsonfamily so yes they clearly intended it to be sex work is his point this is the coffee shop she worked at let me just get through this the origin let me through the of the bikini coffee shop oh

Brian Atlasinteresting grid One Motorsports back for a few minutes question for the chat this is for the chat one if you think the three methadone clinic rejects are on the pod in bad faith maybe plants question mark so one in the chat if you

Brian Atlasthink the three methadone clinic rejects are on the pod in bad faith okay we have red Nomad these women are never accountable for anything this panel makes me hate life even more this is literal brain rot thanks Brian Chase

Brian AtlasAndrew stumbled upon this podcast recently thanks to chase I am deciding to take up Christianity after giving up on religion earlier okay thank you God bless you man thank you for that comment there you have it there you have it it's

Brian Atlasgood to know all right let me bring it to here let's see oh I didn't do twitch oh go to Twitch twitch t.tv whatever guys twitch.tv/ whatever live than for the prime disparity than for the prime

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Brian Atlashave Amazon Prime you can link it to your Twitch quick free easy way to support the show every single month okay let me get to some of my notes here so we have uh let's see it was

SavaSavannah the other Savannah you said uh been cheated on with my ex's best friend yeah usually usually I just go by Sava so you can that so we can kind of do you said you wanted to talk about loyalty

Savaand relationships and did you have something on that oh sorry um yeah so I've I've basically been cheated on in every single relationship I've been in and I feel like um it's a really big

Savathing especially since I'm such a loyal person and um like when I'm in a relationship like I don't even look at an another person right um and I think that like disloyalty is definitely

Savaperpetrated in our culture and you know like having people on the side you know like never going for full commitment it's like it's just not cool anymore if I may ask how many how many relationships have you had uh three

Chasethree and you've been cheated on in every single one of them um the last one no the last one no but the first two yes MH were there at the beginning of those

Chaserelationships were there any red flags that you noticed that maybe like looking back it was easy to see oh yeah that guy was going to cheat on me um I think

Savaprobably one of the things um is like I feel like having you know like a bunch of girl friends you know what I mean like I think you can be friends with the

Savaopposite gender but if your main communication source is you know girls and you you were really close to primary primary female I think that can definitely lead to S so both of those guys that cheated on you did they have a

Brian Atlaslot of female friends that they're regularly in contact with interesting you said here in your notes everyone is a piece of in today's day and age to be honest our culture is influencing men to not treat women right in

Brian Atlasrelationships would you also say do you think it's this this reverse is the same that women are not treating men right in relationships yeah okay um sorry you also said you wanted to talk about are

Savamen and women equal what did you mean by that um I mean I think I think we already covered kind of like the differentials like kind of earlier and everything like that um just you know

Savalike with traits and everything like that um but I think I did like include in there like um like I think I was really stupid like early on because like I said like before I was like 17 and or

Savawhatever like that like I never even experienced attraction to a person so when I initially started dating like I was kind of dumb where they would like tell me they would they would like be

Savacheating on me messaging people and be like oh it's it's not like that and I'd be like oh for real okay right MH and I actually um I remember I'm not going to say what x it was but I went through their phone right and they were

Savamessaging hundreds of people like it was insane the amount of people that they're messaging right and by chance I actually clicked over on their male best friends

Savachat he was hooking up with his male best friend what

Savayeah yeah my God yeah it's it's it's insane it's like yeah that's crazy when when he said he was like is a bad

TTS/Donationsbusinessman donated $200 Brian interested in why you have talked to onethird of the girls in the

TTS/Donationsthumbnail for 99% the cast why put the other two 8 SAA being cheated on good Lord what were those men thinking

Brian Atlasum also why' you use a picture of me from two years ago I look so different the I we that's just the process gu I was jealous I was like why am I not in the we typically only put three people

Brian Atlasin the thumbnail so that's just the way the cookie crumbled that's just the way well coming to you then uh your Instagram says you're ruled by Jupiter what does that mean I'm ruled by

BunnyJupiter means cuz I'm a Sagittarius but also um Sagittarius rules is ruled by Jupiter and um Jupiter the planet kind of represents like

Bunnyphilosophical Okay and like searching for like answers and everything so yeah that's what ruled by Jupiter means okay I see astrological okay I have I'm G to come

Brian Atlasto here actually let's do your dating app review profile Nick if you could pull it up please uh so we're going to review her hinge profile she says I won't showed up about politics and philosophy and my

Brian Atlasspiritual perspective okay so for the viewers Nick if you scroll it up please make it bigger not that big please just the same size as the other one

Brian Atlasum you swipe left you swipe ride this is for the chat uh I also I'm going to be in Santa Barbara in La for like like a week mid November okay interesting

Brian Atlasnext should same size please should possibly consider getting instant tionalized my therapist would your therapist would say that your has your therapist actually recommended you ought

Caitlynto be institutionalized not recommended but we've brought it up and was like have you considered being institutionalized or getting medicated for for what Suicidal Thoughts oh I'm

Brian Atlassorry to hear that next next next next green flags I look for kindness empathy princess treatment and enthusiasm what is Princess treatment

Brian Atlasand perhaps we can have all girls weigh in what is Princess treatment and Nick is that the last one I'll check no here you guys can answer the

Caitlynquestion go ahead so for me Princess treatment is I guess in a in a long-term committed relationship where we both established that we're exclusive and that we love each other um being spoiled

Caitlynand that can be in a lot of different ways um financially is nice so like being given money for example or being just by like a partner just giving you money like like they know that I want

Bunnysome new shoes or want a new outfit or want something like a sugar daddy some I mean I guess I okay I feel like that's never that's never been consistently

Caitlynseen as a sugar daddy until now so let me ask what do you give in return to be treated like a princess great question oh my God I'm such a lydy emotionally supportive partner

Caitlynisn't that what both partners are expected to do in a relationship and I believe that that's also a part of Princess treatment is kindness and caring and stuff like that but yeah I put the same stuff on the table and I'm more like if I'm like I said in a

Caitlyncommitted happy loving relationship I'm more than willing to spoil my partner as well I love to give my partner gifts on their birthday um on their birthday on their specifically you said you want a

Caitlynpartner to just buy you give you just give you money I mean that's just one way of receiving princess treatment I would do the same thing for them and I have done the same thing just both of

Brian Atlasyou don't give each other money and then you just both have the like if you're both like if if I give you $2,000 and then you give me $22,000 we're in the same place so maybe

Caitlynwe just didn't need to do the transaction at all it's it's well one that wouldn't be One Singular transaction but also it's more about the

Caitlynthought in the gift giving so like one month um my partner knows that I need to buy a dress or buy an outfit for specific event they give me the money or they buy me the outfit a couple months

Caitlynlater they need a part for their car and I surpris they said that you know it's been weighing heavily on their mind that they need that part so I go out and I take that burden off of them for buying that part that's one thing one question

Brian Atlasrelated to this you four describ yourselves as feminists correct you did you describe yourself as feminist or no me yes you no okay into the mic please if you can remember um who do you think

Caitlynshould pay on a first date men or women the man or the woman here you start actually good my bias is men but I don't really have any good Arguments for against that

Bunnyso I care your bias is for men okay but you're a feminist what about you um my bias is for men and if he doesn't want to then I'll pay for my

Bunnyphone and what never see him again I probably won't unless he was really amazing but um I that's not just a madeup concept in my head said like oh

Bunnypeople should be buying with food but like my family has already told me has always told me since I was like 6 years old that a man who's going to take care of me and want to marry me he's going to

Brian Atlaswant to completely take care of me okay what about you I think who ever asks have you ever asked a guy out yeah more often than not are you asking guys out

Azuremore often or is the guy asking you out more often um well I get I get asked out more often but um do you think that's all do you think most women that's the

Azurecase for them too I mean most women don't ask men out or it's very rare I mean yeah it's like traditional well yeah so I mean whoever asks to pay I

Azurewould I would prefer like I it's nice to have someone like to be taken care of in that way let's say you go on a date with guy he asked to split the bill or he

Azuresays we should split the bill will there be a second date um I just I I if if I did that to them I would feel we it just

Savafeels like low effort that's my issue with it okay what about you um I think you know what she said about whoever asks whoever first but to be honest like

SavaI love spoiling my man so a lot of the time you know like I'll plan like a dinner reservation and I'll first date I'm talking about first date first date yeah whoever asks whoever have you ever

Brian Atlasasked a guy out on the first date um actually I haven't but I have paid for the it's very convenient that women say whoever I should pay when women don't ask men out on first dat so many

Brian Atlasgenerally speaking generally speaking men are the initiators like generally speaking so your answer I I don't necessarily object that's your opinion it's not my opinion it's just facts there's no way to like gather there is

Andrew Wilsonmaybe a way we can gather more info on this would you be more likely to go out with a man who took you to do something free than somebody who same guy same guy hang on same exact guy though right

Andrew Wilsonlet's say has all the same quality same or same quality same everything offers to take you to do something which requires money which thing would you rather do probably would you say what's the things

Azurewell I have goad I have like standards with with dating I want someone who has a job in in a car so if they have like a job in a car and they're well you know

Azurethey're just polite people polite men they're going to probably ask me out on the date and then that's not what I'm asking though what I'm asking is would you be do you think that you would be more likely to

Azuredo something that's free with the person who asked you out on the first date not more likely I have to be honest no it's just it's it's low effort like it's a

Azureeffort that make you know what I mean I don't know I appreciate effort and things like that you said that it's my opinion

Brian Atlasthat that men are more likely to initiate First Dates do you actually think that that's not a fact broadly speaking of all the first

Brian Atlasdates that have ever occurred do you think that that is just merely opinion I mean but you admitted earlier with the words that came out of your mouth you

Brian Atlassaid more often than not the men are asking you out on first dates yeah so it's not just merely my opinion it's your very own firsthand experience yeah but everyone has it's just experience I

Brian Atlaswould argue that so yeah women's experience here let's go around the table then we have seven women here more often than not who is who is taking the initiative when it comes to asking for

Bunnythe first date um men with me personally with you what about for you men men men men please speak into the mics guys men

Brian Atlasokay um so I think I forgot if we left off with you as far as who should pay for the first date I guess my question to you guys who consider yourself feminist how do you

Brian Atlasreconcile being a feminist believing in gender equality perhaps even doing away with gender roles but also demanding that men pay for first dates or even

Brian Atlaswanting men to pay for First Dates oh I've I've I've never demanded that I've actually I've actually these girl you all three of you said you want all three of you said that you want the man to pay

Brian Atlason the first date no I didn't say that okay said remove demand from it you want you want men to pay for the First Dates how do you reconcile being a feminist believing in gender equality but also

Caitlynwanting men to pay for First Dates that's a gender role go ahead I think I would want it if any partner like any gender were to ask me out on a date and I agree with I would like to be feel

Caitlynlike I'm taken care of or thought of but if they if we talk about it like we have a strong connection and um they tell me their situation they're not able to pay for the first date but we have like a really good

Caitlynconnection then I would pay for the date and then still want to see them afterwards if someone were to just like leave me with the bill or something like that or like be like yeah can we split the bill it just makes me feel like I'm

Caitlynnot they're not going to be able to take care of me if I need it and like it's not the biggest priority for me but it's just it's definitely a green flag for my partner to want to pay for the first

Azuredate okay I feel like it's okay to be a feminist and want to be taken care of as not it it just logically doesn't make sense to me I I understand I understand

Chaseyour viewpoint but I just think that I I can have my own you want the Sexes to be equal in their roles and responsibilities but you also want the man to take a more traditional Ro and

Azuretake care of you and be that masculine role not it's not traditional though I don't date traditional it's totally traditional R it's totally tradition

Azurerules Trad I don't I just don't most of the men who ask me out on on dates are not even traditional and they probably still pay for first dates they're still they're

Azurestill adhering Trad if they don't ask if we're in a conver if I'm on Tinder and there's a whole conversation going on they haven't asked for a date thank you for the gift to 20 memberships go ahead

Azurethey haven't asked for a date and we are vibing I'm going to ask them out and that's happened a few that's happened a few times but most more likely men will ask me out on the date first that's just

Chasethey're and they're wait out of curiosity when when you ask guys out on dates do you want them to pay or do you pay or how how do you do that I don't like spending money like I I I and wait so you ask them out on a date and then

Azureyou're hoping that they're going to pay for it no I I don't hope that they're going to pay for it you guys do you guys like talk about it beforehand or yeah like I I will literally ask for because I like you'll be like hey should we

Azuresplit this or like no I won't I like if I ask someone out on a date I'm not going to ask them to split because that's so low effort and weird so do you pay for it yes I will pay for a date

Andrew Wilsonokay if I ask someone out on a DAT I'm going to pay for the full thing I'm actually curious has it ever happened where you've asked a man on a date and then gone out and paid for the entire

Azuredate um like even one I try I really try like I really try to keep it cuz yeah it does happen but I really try I'm like I I will say I asked so I would prefer to pay you could pay you could do it next

Azuretime or something like that has actually happened yes because a lot of men do insist on paying but like if I offer to pay for a date I don't want to be like

Azureoh yeah like okay just that just you know it just occurs to me I would be like I in my head I'm like oh like I should but no if I ask I feel like there's a smuggle here what I'm asking

Andrew Wilsonspecifically not is if you would offer to do so I'm asking if you've asked a man out on a date and then actually paid for the whole date yes I just said that but I don't what's the point what are you

Andrew Wilsonimplying not implying anything he's just asking I'm just asking it just it just seems I don't it just seems unlikely I don't know why it seems unlikely though because you don't know why that seems

Azureunlikely really well I make I make money I make Mone modest hikima donated

Sava$500 Jesus MF Christ I did want to ask what do you think about having like a stay home Dad right the woman is the main provider what's your opinion on M

Chasesay your mic is muted you're you're muted right now no you're you're good your mic is muted go ahead how long is she timed out for 10 minutes okay like a stay-at-home dad right and then the

Savawoman is the main provider what do you think about that wouldn't like it would not like it cuz actually that's the that's the type of household I come from right my my mom she went back to school she makes all the money right and my dad

Savahas actually always been the stay home Dad and the the crazy thing is they're the most traditional conservative people you've ever like met right but they've developed those different roles who who

Savamakes the financial decisions in the family um it's it's kind of half and half my my mom partially um but my dad he also goes through taxes like he's really into finances and everything like

Brian Atlasthat so they kind of come together and they do that H yeah yeah I don't know I I I suppose it could work but it probably to some degree goes against the

Chasenatural flow between masculine and feminine in some way yeah I feel like it would breed a dynamic where the woman would end up embodying a ton of masculine energy and may maybe she would be able to rest into her feminine energy

Chasewhen she was around the home and stuff but like you know when a when a woman has to work particularly if it's a stressful job she has to embody a lot of masculine energy and I wouldn't personally want a relationship where a woman is embodying a lot of masculine

Chaseenergy on like a daily basis like that's like and also I just like Brian was saying it it would feel very unnatural to me and I feel like totally screw up the dynamic I I do have a question for you on this Chase and I have gotone some

Brian AtlasFlack for this because although I can't imagine my me getting into a personal relationship like this I'm not like 100% like I could never be in a situation

Brian Atlaswhere my girlfriend out earned me to me I don't necessarily think the amount of money a woman makes necessarily means that there's going to be difficulties in the relationship

Brian Atlasnecessarily yeah I'm not saying to some degree don't you think it would be kind of dope like let's say your you like your girlfriend was extremely

Brian Atlascompetent in some way and she was just more capable of securing resources than you wore but she was I'm kind of painting a I'm I'm picking up what you're putting down but like let's say

Brian Atlasyou get to you get to stay home and I know you're a surfer Chase surfing work doesn't really i i surf you know well when I was that's I used to surf in any case um bro it's firing at ringcon dude

Brian Atlasand instead of you you get to just go to ringcon and surf while your your wife works 80 hours a week and you can just surf bro that'd be pretty dope right no

SPEAKER_09absolutely not I don't want my wife to have to work 80 hours a week bro F I would want I would want I would want that's like the most that's the most like Peter Pan lifestyle I've ever heard bro I would want rather than her working

Chase80 hours a week I would rather her be home with our kids and with me and I my personal goal is to run a business that's so successful that I can afford to pay for myself and a large family and

SPEAKER_09all of our expenses while operating the business ring is firing Chase ringcon is firing you got no dud I'm not going I'm

SPEAKER_09not going to work my wife like a slave so I can go surf dude you got to think I thought you called yourself a businessman dude you got to build a business that runs itself say Chase

Brian AtlasChase your wife could run herself you know what suedes business Chase getting some tubes dude just Tu tubes are nice but I'm not I'm not trying to I'm not trying to work my wife death

Andrew Wilsonwhat are you fighting here though like let's say let's say let's say I'm sorry I'm derailing the comment for instance that most of the women in the United States suddenly went and got 80 hour week jobs whether men stayed home and

Brian Atlassurfed you're really complaining cuz that would never happen ever never Savannah I think I'm I'm picking up what you're putting down if you want to financially support me at the current my

Brian Atlascurrent lifestyle where I'm at where I can just lay back and and Surf and not have to work we could arrange something I'm just

Savasaying can I add to that can I yeah yeah go ahead oh sorry sorry was that like a request or was that I mean it's more of

Brian Atlasa hypothetical I mean he's asking will you be a will you be a sugar mama good at good at surfing yeah I'm not trying to be a professional I'm are you are you

SPEAKER_09saying if he's really good at surfing you would do it for him I'm a soul it's like hot and you're down to provide for him no I'm not I don't want to be competitive Surfer I want I'm a Soul Surfer bro this is your ticket she's saying if you get good at surfing she's down to be your sugar video and you do

Chaselike a cool Flip or something I know how to do like cup all the all the Bros watching you just you just heard the ticket if you're a good Surfer she will be your sugar mama no exactly real I have a question yeah what's up so like

Selenapicking off that obviously are you trying to put your ticket in the Hat in my past last two relationships I was the provider yes because as a stripper you would assume I'm yeah so my allowance is $10,000 a

Selenamonth minimum minimum can you handle that that's my allowance so my thing is let me let me get to so like a lot of men obviously are against sex like sex work strippers

Selenawhatever you know I understand why but um I've dat my exes you know I've dated and as a stripper I was provider I take care of myself and I pay my own bills and I was able to support having another human in my life I put food on the table I took care of everything you know but a

Selenalot of men are against the whole stripper aspect but me it's like okay so this man just paid for $1,000 lap dance with me right and I just put $500 down to get you whatever you want like think of it another man paying for our dates or whatever you know but wait I don't

Selenathink that would make most men feel good are were are you arriving are you right what so huh what's the question so I was just trying to piggy back off that like the like woman being a provider instead of the man you know like I've done it

Brian Atlasbefore and I get 50% of your only fans earnings I don't have an only fans and you stripper earnings har I get a 10,000 I get a $10,000 allowance har I'm being a

Brian Atlasbit get oh s oh are we negotiating here $10,000 a month allowance plus 50% of your earnings no I was going to ask a completely other question okay Lord

Savahave mercy we must stay focus send the Sur video and I'll consider it okay oh gosh you you date him if he had like good surfing moves you know what I mean good surfing moves is that if he

Savacould shred yeah yeah exactly shred n yeah yeah yeah yeah get totally pitted do y'all think it's like a little zesty do y'all think it's a little zesty to

Savalike wash your ass in the shower zesty what does this mean seual uh it's like yeah basically no is it what it's homosexual is it gay fellas is it gay to

Savakeep yourself clean when you're showering no that's just that's just hygiene literally I've literally had so many guys that are like I don't wash my house in the shower that's that's sick

SPEAKER_09you're turned off by men who wash their ass no I'm turned on by that well I mean not like no I don't I don't think it's quote

Brian Atlasunquote zesty for uh be hygienic okay good I I'll double down on this baby wipes not just TP you got to use baby wipes too if you're wiping you know do you like do you like shave it too bro I

Chasethink I think it's no absolutely not I think I think it's quote unquote zesty for dudes to accumulate dingleberries wait that's what's is this a whatever exclusive Chase gets waxed

Chasewhat no are you shave down there answer I uh I just properly shower when I shower is what I'm saying like if you if you're if you don't wash yourself in the shower you will you trying say dingleberries sick so would y all date a

Selenasex worker that you can stay home and do whatever you want huh what would y'all date a sex worker stripper whatever if you could stay home and do whatever you want absolutely and get the allowance you wanted no absolutely not that's like

Chasethe most that's like the most cucked thing in the world Brian he's hesitating bro are you seriously down to cuck like that you got your $110,000 a month a sex you're like you're like I will not date

Chasea sex worker but if she's paying for everything I'll compromise on my values you're like the money think about the money

Brian Atlascome on well my you've heard me say this before you've heard me say this before I said I would consider I've never dated or even hooked up with a girl who does only fans or anything like that so long

Brian Atlasas she's never done BG content I said if she does solo content maybe it's going to be very difficult for me I might not be able to do it it might be tough you know I might you know I don't know if I could do it

Caitlynbut if she's paying for everything I'm strictly so and you're madly in love with her consider that again $10,000 allowance $10,000 allowance 50% of her

Andrew Wilsonearnings I don't know that's a tough one no that shit's gross I'm

Chasesorry immoral like no that shit's gross Colleen donated $99 bunny I noticed you're wearing a benedic read

Brian Atlaslet's not read it while she's we we'll pull it I'll pull it back up um so that's yes that's a good good comment yes truthfully I I I

Brian Atlasdon't nobody's buy yeah how's how long has bunny been gone she just left or she just went to rest okay yeah well I'll pull it back up

Chasein a little bit I took my 10minute break wait oh we had to do oh yeah did we unmute wait we should should read we should read that last Super Chat somebody paid like a hundred bucks for that wait the which we should read it out loud the last one that we just had

Brian Atlasup on the screen oh hold on somebody said Brian you need to stop and check on the first girl at the table she's passing the F out bro girl number two nobody is buying what you're selling Girl number four you're extremely Beau

Savabeautiful PS firsttime caller thanks for the Super Chat Wisconsin dude welcome welcome Wisconsin snow dog thank you man hear that said you're extremely beautiful oh extremely beautiful I appreciate that first time call it that

Brian Atlasmeans like the the first first Super Chat oh h okay thank you yeah all right um and let me see if the there's any other chest

Brian Atlashere um okay I had more notes wait we were oh okay for you uh let's see here summer you said I'm very

Brian Atlasfeminist yes I think the majority of issues these are your words I think the majority of issues within relationships stems from men and or patriarchal social norms

Brian Atlaswhich I'd be happy to discuss you said the majority of issues within relationships stems from men and or patriarchal social

Brian Atlasnorms um would and just I want to dive into that but would you also say that the majority of issues in society and life broadly speaking stem from men and or patriarchal social

Caitlynnorms so maybe not life issues as much as with you know within heterosexual relationships um so men are the fault men are at fault in romantic

Caitlynrelationships what I said is the men and or patriarchal social issues okay but you said the majority of issues within relationships stems from men yes the

Caitlynmajority meaning not all of them so I do believe that you know women can be toxic like she was discussing um but men are more toxic not necessarily but I do believe you know in a lot of the

TTS/Donationsrelationships that I've well BR bird donated $200 Chas is on the longest undefeated run in history to the women on the panel would you date a guy who works out of

TTS/Donationstown for 4 to 6 months out of the Year case you ever read surfing for God # Christi Lord yo thanks for uh thanks for the compliment bro no I've I've I haven't read it but I've heard really

Chasegood things about that book okay so to the women on the panel would you date a guy who works out of town for four to six months out of the year here starting with you would you date a guy who works out

Chaseof town four to six months out of the year no what does he do it doesn't just then no would you yeah yeah depending on

Savasalary okay so what would the threshold be excuse me just like um the same amount as what I would make okay um I mean would I be able to

Savasee them while they're traveling or probably not he's probably not um I mean it kind of depends most of the uh relationships I've done I travel a lot so they have kind of been long distance

Savaum wait you travel a lot or they do no I do well usually red flag they they might what how is that a red flag I have to I have to for for like social media but

Selenaword um yeah so maybe um yes I've dated Marines like I've stated and they've been on deployments for six months or longer so I've done it before it's not an

Chaseissue it depends on if we had children or not can you expand on that uh children need their father so if you don't have children with him you would

Chaseyes gotcha but you wouldn't consider marrying and having kids with somebody who had that kind of Lifestyle well it would depend like would it be able to change in the future let's say for the next 5 years probably not uh well I mean

StephanieI'm 26 I have plenty of time to have children if I wanted to okay well I'm not dating but as a married woman it's not really an option for us when when you were dating would you consider that

Brian Atlasoh gosh that was like decade ago I don't know I really I probably not yeah yeah well you were tempting to answer you're saying the majority of issues within

Caitlynrelationships stems from men how so and or patriotical ISS um so the major issue that I

Caitlynencountered whenever I was in my committed relationship was his um lack of ability to express his feelings in a healthy way um

Caitlynand to actively listen um and then put what he heard from me into action in our relationship and I believe that those

Andrew Wilsonissues it's it's just me me me like what these are my issues with yeah no I get it but I guess what I'm what I'm going to interject and say is just what I

Andrew Wilsonalways hear even on all these panels which is the these problems stem from the patriarchy they stem from men right what's the problem he doesn't listen to

Caitlynme he does do it Heist period he has emotional intelligence issues which came from his family Dynamic which was impacted by patriarchal structures that

Caitlynwe have in our society what is emotional intelligence what is that emotional intelligence is the ability to actively listen and to use empathy on uh a regular basis and why does he need to

Caitlynhave high emotional intelligence in order to have a relationship Health a healthy relationship what was your name again so my name on there is summer um that was my first dancer name what do you

Chasewant me to call you you either call me summer or Kaitlyn yeah whichever one is fine all right um summer I you know I was listening I was listening to your story at the beginning of the podcast about what happened with

Chasethat guy that you were dating and all that and then I asked the followup question what your relationship was like with your father and you told me now it's good but before it wasn't so great you also mentioned the

TTS/Donationsway I'm going to take this $200 heavy equipment operator in Alaska spent the summer building an airport about 12K for around fiveish months of

Chasework potential office job later in career surfing for God is a great book highly suggest dope that's a great job um also thank you for the recommendation man I

Chaseuh yeah I've heard I've heard a lot of people recommend it I'll I'll look into it um so where I was going with this so a moment ago you said that you know

Chasepatriarchy and Men these are the problems within relationships would you say that's accurate yep okay can I share with you my take on what your problem may be instead okay okay I don't think

Chaseit's I don't think it's rooting in patriarchy or men or any of these things what I would speculate based on your relationship with your father and what you described earlier in

Chasethe podcast about the fact that you have a deep Longing For Love inside of your heart like you really really crave being loved by a man this is super common in women who haven't had I mean all women

Chasewant to generally speaking all women want to be deeply loved by a man as long as they're straight right

Chaseum women who have father wounds tend to not have the how can I put this like the craving is deeper it's almost like they'll do anything to fill that that

Chasehole within them that they're Left Right women who have really healthy relationships with their fathers typically don't put up with bad behavior from men or men who don't treat them

Chaseproperly one of the patterns that I've noticed in women who have Daddy Issues is that they'll go for men who don't treat them very well and it's it's ironic because a lot of women with daddy

Chaseissues they'll be pursued by good guys but they almost have this like subconscious desire to act out their drama with their daddy in their mind and they'll they'll end up with guys that

Chasetreat them like crap instead because it's almost like well he's treating me bad and my dad treated me bad and I want to see if I can try and secure this man's love right this is a pattern that I've noticed in women what you were

Chasedescribing in your relationship with that guy is you pushed really hard to try and secure his love and his commitment and all these things

Caitlynright yeah like you were you were all in within that first month right we had conversations that kind of of pushed me to be all in so like it wasn't just me jum he told you like he was super into

Chaseright right now okay so about that let me ask you this how much of that do you think was legit and how much of that do you think was to get in your pants don't know that's and a lot of women find themselves in that position they don't

Chaseknow see this is the thing and Brian's made this point many times on the show and it's a fantastic point a lot of men will say whatever it takes to get into a woman's pants there's a lot of dudes out

Caitlynthere that will just like lie and manipulate so that they can get some he was already in my pants whenever you know this all this stuff started so I'm not sure like he didn't have to do all the extra stuff to remain

Chasein my pants to be honest okay so how much how much of what he was expressing to you hold on how much of what he was expressing to you do you think was legit if I just have his actions in the

Caitlynway that he treated me I would say it was very legit now if he had you know if he was very thorough in his actions in manipulating me I mean he could have been manipulating me but I don't know there's

Chaseno way that I can read his mind right okay um can I offer you a piece of advice CU I'm sure you're probably heartbroken after how all that went down you can offer it you know okay the piece

Chaseof advice that I want to offer you is and it's hard because with the unique wounding that you have from you know your relationship with your father and just your life experience and

Chasewhatever don't offer yourself and your heart so quickly to a man even if you really like him my therapist said the same thing I can't even lie it's it's important this a lot of women make this

Chasemistake a lot of women will give themselves fully to a man right off the bat regardless of whether or not he deserves it yes and what I can tell you as a man is it's very satisfying if if

Chasethere's a girl that I really like it's very satisfying for me to have to pursue her and to work to earn her heart and to then earn it yeah okay but when a woman

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