02:49:49Azurebut I don't I'm not seeing it ever be addressed and and I can't just like answer for both sides how I want to in a short little black and white like statement so I'm not going to do that
02:50:00Brian Atlasokay well I disagree with you that that the sexism that manifests against or towards men is
02:50:08Azuresomehow not as impactful as the sexism that manifests towards women I'm sexism it manifests in many different ways so are you afraid to like look back when
02:50:20Brian Atlasyou're walking down the street well speaking are afraid to do that speaking of that the reality is when it comes men are men can be let me if you're going to ask me a question and I start talking
02:50:31Brian Atlasyou be quiet while I'm answering okay when it comes to actual the threat of physical violence men are more likely to be uh victims of violent crime and as somebody who who has been by who that's
02:50:43Azurethat's victim blaming as somebody who has been physically assaulted no by who what gender is more likely to assault the men that's victim blaming men are the the I don't say I'm I'm victim
02:50:54Brian Atlasblaming because men are more likely to assault all that's totally other men a very very very small proportion of men a very small proportion of men in any case
02:51:05Brian Atlasthe gender of the perpetrator does nothing to diminish the fact that somebody has been victimized I'm not saying you're reframing my words in a way that I do
02:51:15Brian Atlasnot want to be but you're it's acious argument to say to because I've just pointed out well men are more likely to be victims of violent crime and you're saying well by other men by which I
02:51:27Brian Atlasshould I that does nothing to ref that does nothing to refute my point okay you just saying they if they happen to be XYZ it does nothing to refute the point
02:51:38Azurethat men are more likely to be victims of violent crime I don't believe men are more likely to be victims of violent crime but I do believe it but but it's by it's by other men well that's
02:51:50Brian Atlasirrelevant because that's victim blaming how is that victim blaming because the the gender of the perpetrator doesn't diminish the the fact that somebody has just been victimized I didn't say
02:52:00Azurediminished it I'm saying but what men you know what you are you're you're not there not twisting anything you're saying that I'm victim blaming because I I said that men are more are the ones
02:52:13Azurethat are perpetrating the violence towards other men like there and there there are women there are cases of there's of course women VI like women hold on let me take a breath
02:52:25Azurebecause there are women who are perpetrators as well but you're saying it's more likely that men are going to be a victim of violence the two can be
02:52:37Azureyou also are you also have said in the past on this podcast that men are the are AG like more aggressive testosterone so it's men yes you did well I'm I'm sorry I can't correlate go just you
02:52:50Brian Atlasdon't need to be meta just say your point but that's my point I'm just saying that a very what I would point out it's a very very small proportion of men who
02:53:00Brian Atlasare violently inclined the point I was contending was you said that oh Brian are you ever scared of having to look over your shoulder D D D D D and I pointed out that actually the reality is despite the
02:53:13Brian Atlasfact that women might feel more vulnerable or might feel less safe doesn't actually mean y you need to stop interrupting please let me finish my point okay you know what no just let me
02:53:26Brian Atlasfinish my no but you've been interrupting it's a conversation yeah but let me finish my points I let you speak stop interrupting please just because you might feel more unsafe doesn't mean that in actuality you
02:53:38Azureactually are more more unsafe than men are you guys literally went on a tangent for almost an hour about how much stronger men are compared to women so
02:53:50AzureI'm not understanding why you're saying that women could like are not meant to be afraid of other of being perpetrated
02:54:00Brian Atlasby a male I or be afraid to I didn't say that you didn't say that but you implied it I did not imply it either but what I'm saying is is the reality is and if you look at crime statistics men are
02:54:12Azuremore likely to be victims of violent crime and you sat there saying by which gender by m is committing by other by other men but that but what he's saying is that that's a nonse so if it so it doesn't matter that that that's
02:54:25Andrew Wilsona thing he didn't say it doesn't matter it's a nonse which means it doesn't follow that that matters so why does it follow that it matters that that's true
02:54:35Azurebecause I was saying that women are scared like women are just scared of different like small things that men will not think about are not going to have in the back of their minds as
02:54:47Brian Atlassomebody who been physically assaulted yes I am very aware of like if I go outside that I could be physically assaulted it's completely that's not just a woman thing women will frequently argue you don't have to be worried about
02:55:00Chasegoing out at night and getting jumped actually yes men do are you saying that you're weak oh my gosh I think we should I think we should move on dude this is what do you mean weak if three men want
02:55:11Chaseto mug Meo she's this is first off we're way past the scope of the subject of the podcast you guys could go back and forth about this for another hour I could just leave no don't have
02:55:22Chaseto you don't have to leave you don't have to leave what I do want to do though is cuz you're saying I'm interrupting and I'm just like trying to bounce off interrup I also I also think I to be quite Frank I think that this is
02:55:33Chasebad content and also like oh these yes this argument is is not it's not it's not a good argument and it's beyond the scope of it doesn't make me look stupid I'm not saying it's no I'm not saying it's because it doesn't make you look
02:55:45Brian Atlasstupid hold on just hang tight for one sec take a I need to take a break I want you to just hang tight for one sec we'll slow down a little bit okay we were mentioning and then
02:55:56Brian AtlasI'm damn M content and then a $500 donation I'm not getting paid I can leave m m just just hang tight for a sec
02:56:08Chaseum okay we I'll come back to that here let me see here we have uh did you want to ask the other girls at the table that yeah I have I have some which question uh what was is it was are you a victim
02:56:19Savaof sexism or no can can women be sex wom be sexist okay go ahead um I believe that anyone holds the inherent ability to be discriminated upon okay can women
02:56:31Selenabe sexist towards men yes cuz I expect there are things that roles made solely for men and there things I expect from a man solely because he's a man so yes okay is that would you call that sexist
02:56:43Selenayeah is I am sexist yeah I expect men to do certain things because they're a man that's I think that's I think that's reasonable yeah okay yeah yes I think that we can be sexist towards men I also think that the term
02:56:55Stephanieis used way too Loosely these days and I also think that stereotypes are true that's why they're stereotypes real oh yeah of course of course they can and then okay I'm not going to
02:57:08Bunnylinger on this one it's related to that question can you be racist towards white people I personally don't agree so but that's most mostly cuz like don't agree
02:57:20Bunnywith what that like a white person can be into the mic please a white person can be racist someone can be racist to a white person I don't really you don't
02:57:32Bunnythink I mean maybe they can but anything somebody has ever said to me about me being white I don't care care okay it doesn't mean anything no someone cannot
02:57:42Caitlynbe racist towards a white person okay can I can you answer the question word just
02:57:53Savaanswer the question please um just absolutely the the yeah down okay oh sorry I was moving my b um you know like as I stated before I feel like everyone
02:58:06Savaholds the inherent ability to be discriminated upon um I we don't need a linger too long go ahead well yes no
02:58:15Stephanieit's yes it's a yes yes yep yes absolutely this is crazy this is this is taking so long okay I'm sorry not not to be rude but I can't believe that they have to think about it yes you can be racist
02:58:29Brian Atlastowards white people it's happening in our country right now yes it is okay maybe if we have time we can come back to that later on but um okay let me see my notes Here we have
02:58:40Brian Atlasum let's see let's bring in Savannah here the Savannah you said you're a bikina barista in Washington state but I'm also very conservative politically and Christian and you you consider
02:58:51Brian Atlasyourself traditional yep okay you said there's a story of a married man um what's what's that story there um so this guy
02:59:02Savannahwould wait how does that pertain to me being a bikini barista though well no I was just go ahead okay anyway um so one time I started going out with this guy
02:59:14Savannahand I didn't know he was married he told me that he lied and said that he wasn't married married um and then like couple months into dating it still it wasn't like serious like I hadn't slept with
02:59:24Savannahhim or anything like that um his wife messaged me on Instagram and was like how do you know so and so and I was like why are you
02:59:35Savannahasking and yeah So eventually she showed me their marriage certificate and so we met up at a Starbucks and I showed her all the text messages and told her
02:59:48Brian Atlaseverything that happened and yeah he just got caught up okay yeah you said it was uh you've only had one serious boyfriend two situationships those are the only guys
02:59:59Brian Atlasthat you've ever hooked up with um did you mention that the there was the age Gap too right yeah he was he I think he's 43 and I'm 26 okay but when you met
03:00:11SavannahI think you said he was 38 you were 22 yeah something around there okay did you mention the thing about the wife contacting you yeah so So eventually the wife contacted me and then I gave her all the info blah blah blah but turns
03:00:24Savannahout that they were actually separated by the time that she had contacted me so she had lied and said that they were still married is kind of messy sure and couple notes from you here you said that body count for women matters it affects
03:00:36Brian Atlastheir ability to pair bond properly Absolut casual dating sex is ruining the world and causing things like lack of commitment unwanted pregnancies abortion which you say should be illegal and taking the sacredness out of sex in
03:00:49Brian Atlasitself and also that feminism is evil and ruining the world do you care to expand on your view of feminism at all or um I think that modern day feminism
03:00:58Savannahis toxic I think that it encourages women to be uh what they shouldn't be I think that it encourages them to give away sex H without any commitment and I think that that in return encourages men
03:01:10Savannahto not ever give commitment right sure cuz you know if there's there's no point in getting married and doing all of the things things if women are not going to hold them themselves up to a higher
03:01:21Chasestandard and be worthy of marrying why do you think feminism encourages women to give away sex without any commitment because they think that it's empowering but it's not what's empowering is
03:01:31Savannahdenying and telling men no facts yeah what about uh the other waves of feminism like first wave first wave uh like Mary Walston craft and all them
03:01:41Andrew WilsonI think were amazing in fact they were pro-life really yeah they were I I wrote an essay about it so so you think that the original feminism then or what you consider first
03:01:52SavannahW feminism was good oh absolutely yeah to some degree yeah I what was the first wave of feminism what was the there's a couple different waves of feminism yeah what was the first wave it was just like
03:02:02Andrew Wilsonyou know basic equality when like half the women were allowed to vote no women weren't allowed to vote yet I think it was like what the early 1900s yeah yeah where suffer JS came out
03:02:14Savannahbut but that aside let's move back I just want just curious on first W feminist as a grounding Foundation why would you say that that was good um I think because it established us as human
03:02:24Savannahbeings worthy of having some rights like voting so you think that voting rights were good absolutely yeah but why how come women didn't want them women don't
03:02:35Savannahwant voting how come they didn't want them um I couldn't tell you yeah almost almost no women wanted to vote I wasn't aware that they didn't want that I certainly want voting rights why because
03:02:46Andrew WilsonI have an opinion and I'm a human being yeah so well let me ask you this women get the right to vote because you want to expand rights sure how come women when they vote though usually vote for
03:02:58Andrew Wilsonmore Security in the state rather than voting to expand rights so it's been my experience that usually nobody wants to vote themselves a right to do a good thing they always want to vote themselves a right for some form of
03:03:10Andrew Wilsondegeneracy I've never actually seen someone say I want to be more free for more responsibility I want to be more free so that I have um more Duty in society well then you haven't met me
03:03:22Andrew Wilsonbecause that's yeah so what would you so what do you want to vote for what do you want the vote for exactly what do what do you think should vote what do well for me I'm a patriarch right so from
03:03:35Andrew Wilsonfrom the grounding from the grounding Foundation you say you're a Christian sure right okay so do you think in society as a Christian in a Christian Society why do you think that your Founders didn't give women the right to vote I never said anything about a Christian soci yeah yeah but why do you
03:03:48Savannahthink the founders didn't give women the right to vote I don't know and I don't care you don't you don't care no I don't probably because they were probably because they were based in religion right but I don't believe I believe in separation of church church and St
03:04:01Andrew Wilsonyou're standing more more like a progressive and not a conservative to me so if we move so we move into first wave feminism so now you don't want you want a separation between church and state as well does it say can you tell me other
03:04:12Andrew Wilsonthan like some basic I don't like abortion what do you actually disagree with with Progressive women on uh a lot of things like like I believe that like
03:04:24Andrew Wilsonwhat what do you mean like feminism just give me anything besides just I don't like abortion right so what I I've noticed this trend of women are you trying to ask me if I economically conserv notice this trend of women who
03:04:35Andrew Wilsonare always like look I'm a TRD girl right who patriarchy based haha right I hear this all the time the question though for me always becomes this
03:04:46Andrew Wilsondelineation when they're like third fourth wave feminism's gone too far okay what about first wave feminism oh well all the delineation which led to third and fourth wave feminism I love all that just not what it turned into to clarify
03:04:58Andrew WilsonI'm a Libertarian leaning conservative Nick you can un libertarian leaning so funny yeah yeah hilarious what what are Libertarians trying to conserve what do you mean what are they trying to conserve so you're a conservative
03:05:11Chasebecause you don't believe in what does what do you think conservative means conservatism is rooted in preserving Traditions that stop hold on for a second conservatism is rooted in preserving the
03:05:24Chasetraditions and ideals that this nation was founded upon which were almost entirely Christian and libertarianism is often times not there's also a reason why they didn't it's kind of contradiction terms no it's not because
03:05:35Savannahyou can still have those values and not have them based 100% saying that it's because the Bible said this it says nowhere in the Constitution because the Bible said that well then what are you making a foundation of well you can
03:05:47Savannahstill believe in those values no for conservation you can still 100 I to to be fair I am a Christian right I I believe in Christianity but when it comes to my political views I don't vote based off of only my Christianity and I
03:05:59Savaalso don't believe that we should enforce those go ahead Savannah um so basically what you're saying is um people that serve roughly 50% of the
03:06:10Savapopulation should have a say in let's not linger too long on on this topic please but yes and and why is that well because seen
03:06:21Andrew Wilsonhave a small question after because the entirety of women's voting inside of the United States has been a complete unmitigated disaster unmitigated disaster which has led us to Progressive
03:06:32Andrew Wilsonpolicies societal Decay a society which cannot reproduce itself literally can't even reproduce itself it's led to every form of social degeneracy you currently see inside of society has been due 100%
03:06:44Brian Atlasto women voting let me give you the counter I'm not sure just I may have to I don't I I haven't made my decision on the whole 19th Amendment well if you
03:06:56Andrew Wilsonwant me to expand I'll expand if it was just men if it was just men who were voting I'm not sure I can cosign with on this men who are voting for instance there would not be lgbtq marriage which
03:07:06Savawas allowed for that's that's right off the game here let's um here do do I do want to ask you a question too do you also believe black people shouldn't have had the right to vote too no well when you're talking about voting I don't
03:07:18Andrew Wilsonbelieve in suffrage at all I don't think voting is good I don't believe rights are true think should vote what's your ideal political system I would say minarchy would be better than anything at least right now but when you're talking about rights you need to
03:07:31Andrew Wilsonunderstand that there's no such thing as rights that's made up you can't taste it you can't touch it you can't smell it you can't see it point to a right they don't exist absent your mind these are social constructions which we make up
03:07:41Andrew Wilsonwhich have the application of force so there are no rights that's all made up nonsense that people have been kind of forc fed into into believing but first W feminism starts with this kind of pre or
03:07:54Brian Atlaspresupposition that there are some and there aren't any I feel like we're getting off thep let's not linger too long but if you guys can make 15c points go ahead I think that was a really no
03:08:05Azurehold on she goes first than you go ahead um I was just going to ask you something sure you're a bikini barista right yes and a hardcore conservative kind of or some like you're on I'm not hardcore
03:08:17Azureconser right so and you don't like sex work so why do you think and you're a Christian so how are you a Christian and against sex work but yet you're in a
03:08:29Azurebikini all day serving food and getting tips you don't think question you don't think that Christians can go to the beach in a bikini you don't think that Christi but that's still like sex that's
03:08:39Azurelike cons a lot of sex workers do like bikini barista uh yeah because their on them not like you're not practicing modesty or anything that's in the Bible what's your
03:08:51Chasedefinition of modesty not being in a bikini not being in a bikini you want to lay your wife at the beach in a bikini I'm not saying that I wouldn't let my wife go to the beach in a
03:09:01Azurebikini bikini not you don't want the what's wrong with you make extra tips for being in the bikini and so a show shaming sex workers like you're basically a stripper so I don't understand stripper yeah cuz I touch
03:09:12Azurepeople and I dance on people for money did you a man you have a man that like cheated on you with the ster in fact I had a really good father that raised me to have morals me too and he's
03:09:24Brian Atlaswatching and he's very proud of me for my accomplishments iay somee so thank you very much in your notes to us you said most people don't date or did you have something really quick it's not
03:09:35Caitlynquick you already know can you just give us a 20 Second Blur what is it I wanted to say that I actually really appreciated his argument against you know the concept of Rights like it was a
03:09:45Caitlynreally good thought voking way to put things that rights don't actually exist I would like to say for consideration rights were taken away
03:09:57Caitlynthat is why the concept we can't take away something that doesn't exist okay Interruption interrupting oh sorry go ahead rights were taken away the the concept that we have of Rights was taken away from black people and other groups
03:10:10Caitlynwhich we would consider minorities that is why the concept has to exist just to verbalize what was taken away from minority groups okay so for you you said in your pre-show notes to us most people don't
03:10:22Brian Atlasdate for marriage anymore it's extremely hard to find a traditional wife husband who wants to raise their children under bi biblical values yeah um now I I guess my question for you is how do you
03:10:32Brian Atlasreconcile that statement with the fact that you you are a bikina excuse me bikini barista and don't appear all that traditional in your social media
03:10:44Savannahpresence and that's why I wanted to if we can pull up the Instagram just well it depends on what you mean by traditional traditional to me means submitting to your husband traditional to me means being a good Christian it
03:10:53Savannahmeans being you find what about modesty what do you mean I am modest in the currently but like while you're my actions I am a very very modest person
03:11:05Savannahsex work is not modest I'm not sex she's not a sex worker but definitely I would never touch someone for money I would never do anything gross like that for money I'm good what was your name again Savannah
03:11:18Chaseto to Brian's Point look you're a beautiful woman you're intelligent I think you're well spoken you're welcome to Brian's point I I haven't seen your social media it sounds like there's Pro is there an abundance of bikini pigs yes
03:11:29Savannahhere we'll pull it up just for okay I'm proud of my body like there's nothing the thing is is that everybody Associates nudity to sexuality and to me Lord it's not the same we must stay
03:11:40Chasefocused Brothers we must and if you're leting over me that is your that is your that this I completely disagree age with hold on one second okay so uh Brian what was her statement about finding it difficult to find most people don't date
03:11:53Brian Atlasfor marriage anymore it's extremely hard to find a traditional wife husband who wants to raise their children under biblical values okay so so how do you reconcile that I'm saying this I'm
03:12:03Chasesaying this with all due respect I I genuinely respect you thank you as a traditional Christian man who wants a traditional Christian
03:12:13Chasewife to be quite Frank if I saw your Instagram page immediately I would be I would write you off as a non-traditional non-Christian woman I would assume that
03:12:24Chaseyou weren't Christian when I see a woman's Instagram page and I see bikini pictures all over the place showing off the booty all that kind of stuff I'm like yo this is the exact opposite of modesty and I'm not interested in that
03:12:36Chaseand I would argue that you are probably making it much more difficult on yourself to find the kind of man that your heart longs for by living this kind of Lifestyle where you're posting these images of yourself because I know lot of
03:12:48Chasetraditional Christian dudes a lot of them across the board they want modesty in women and they would not classify that Instagram page as modest sure that's fine I'm not really looking for a
03:12:59Chasehusband though I was just stating that it is hard to be fair part of the reason why it's hard is because I think you would be I think you're making it harder on yourself with the job that you work and also with your
03:13:12AzureInstagram presence okay sure that's valid and isn't it using sexualization to get money no no I'm not doing anything sexual at all you literally are in a bikini with your ass out getting
03:13:21Savannahtips I know how it works I just like get tips just like you not be a bikini being a bikini and be a Christian like what the it's Azure right this
03:13:33SavannahI it it depends on your definition okay so so so my definition Europe it's consider right like you go out onto a beach
03:13:43Chaseyou're naked Savannah Sav sa hold hold on hold on hold on hold on Savannah you're saying getting TI to make ladies please please pleas with your ass out so
03:13:53Azuredon't shame sex workers that's not sex work holy it's very in it's not I'm not touching anyone for money you're lusting after me I'm not doing I'm
03:14:04Chaseyou you Savannah are eliciting lust from Men by dressing this way that's the same thing that's like that's like putting your breasts in a man's face and being like why are you looking at them no it's not I would never do you're flaunt
03:14:18Andrew Wilsonyou're you literally do it for a living you flaunt your body hang on let me ask this let me ask this what's the distinction when you say they're lusting after me couldn't the stripper make the same argument yeah act if for stripper's touching and doing
03:14:31Andrew Wilsonsexs the stripper the stripper never touched line let's say the stripper never touched him ever never touched any of the Johns just show up and shook her ass that's all she did sure I don't do
03:14:42Andrew Wilsonthat yeah but let's say that's all she did okay she's not touching anybody now sure she's using her sexualization to make money wouldn't just like you are right no what's the distinction then the difference is is that you're dancing and
03:14:55Savannahyou're shaking your ass and you're doing that to elicit a feeling to get money right and what is the bikini for so the bikini no it seems like you're trying to justif the reason one sec one sec one
03:15:06TTS/Donationssec I am a Christian but I think woman should be head of household I am all for women with stake in the game but the sword penetrates the Chalice not the
03:15:16Chaseother way round we've seen reality real real y thank you bum I appreciate it what is that look this whole idea that like it's on men to control their lust yes okay I agree men have a
03:15:27Chaseresponsibility to control their lust but women also have a responsibility to not elicit that lust from bying by you Cho specific by what I am wearing Savannah
03:15:38Chasecome on if there's two women and one is I eliciting let me speak please let me speake if there's two thank you if there's two women and one of them is wearing a modest dress and the other
03:15:49Chasewoman is wearing a bikini that shows off her breast and her butt obviously men are going to lust they're more likely to lust after the woman that's in a bikini with all of her curves showing she is making a choice to wear something that
03:16:01Chaseshows off her body she is going to elicit lust do you do you concede that I agree but that is also not my responsibility to be responsible for your lust fine it's you you can say it's not your responsibility but just don't call yourself traditional or modest let
03:16:15Andrew Wilsonme let me ask this a different you're not inside of your capacity as a bikini barista can you name a single virtue of
03:16:25Andrew Wilsonbeing a bikini barista what is a single virtue what what about it is in any way virtuous I don't I'm not going to answer that like I don't know what you're
03:16:35Savannahtrying to get out of that question okay so if if a guy it's not a job that I enjoy doing it's not like it's my dream job I have two col do you aspire to be do you aspire to be the proverbs 31 wife
03:16:47Andrew Wilsonuh I don't know well you agree that Christianity just to follow up on this you agree that Christians need to be virtuous right sure yeah absolutely what are the virtues of being a bikini Vera I never said that there was Virtues Of
03:16:59Andrew WilsonBeing a bikini ver but when you but when you're asked specifically to say Hey listen uh it's not my problem that these guys over here all they all want to put their hands all over me they can't but
03:17:10Andrew Wilsonthey want to and that's why I make extra money that stri over there they're doing something wrong that's insane no that's fine but even hypocrisy and there's no virtue there's no virtue we can we can agree to disagree on that but men want
03:17:23Chaseto do the same thing when I have clothes on too I could be wearing a potato sack and men would still want to do that sure yeah absolutely because men have sex drives but if you're wearing a bikini it is going it is going to stimulate a man's
03:17:38Chasesex sa sa then no you don't have to wear aob I prefer a burka to be honest you don't have to put Savannah just like it's a man's job it's a man's responsibility to control his lust it's
03:17:50TTS/Donationsalso a woman's responsibility if she calls herself a traditional mod Christian $0000 abortion is a necessary evil should be strictly regulated
03:18:01TTS/Donationsgod-given rights made up Andrew W brickson PLS stop showing these girls half naked pics I don't have insta for reason only
03:18:12Brian Atlas304s Chase W thank you qu question if you start a guy your boyfriend or your husband if he requested you take down those photos would you oblige him absolutely okay all right do you think
03:18:25Chaseit might improve your if you were interested in dating do you think it might improve your dating prospects in the traditional Christian male pool to remove those photos yeah I it probably would but the thing is is that I'm not
03:18:36Andrew Wilsondating right now I'm not interested in dating right now okay I'm just I'm just looking what I'm curious about still if you just don't mind one last followup and then I'm going to bring Selena
03:18:45Andrew Wilsonfinally in curiosity here still is I'm caught up on this idea that you have no responsibility I have no responsibility it's their responsibility for
03:18:56TTS/Donationsthe let him finish his donated $200 A's only W all night she's right you are basically a stripper just like
03:19:07TTS/Donationsin states that don't allow female strippers to strip new yeah no difference you just want to feel different from the of girls whatever you say yeah well in this case the super chatter hits the knil on the head and
03:19:19TTS/Donationswhat the super chatter is saying same thing I'm going to tell you or ask you which is why couldn't anybody engage in sex mot Sports donated $200 thank you're
03:19:31TTS/Donationsgood one appreciate man I leave you alone for a few minutes and wow to Savannah would you make the same tips if you were in a modest dress right well this gets to the heart of it real quick
03:19:42Andrew Wilsonso all of the women who are involved in any kind of sex work you really can use the same exact argument you just did which is to say the responsibility is 100% on the John if he wasn't coming to
03:19:54Andrew Wilsonhave sex with us then I wouldn't even be a prostitute would I if the John wasn't coming in to watch me strip I wouldn't even be able to strip action you're doing a sexual
03:20:05Azureaction no I'm not what am I doing you're making coffee in a bikini that's inherently it you get Pap dollar tips like every other stripper why why would why would a
03:20:18Chasewoman walk into her bedroom on her wedding night in lingre for her husband because that lre is inherently sexual they're very different in the sense that there's lace on it and it's different materials but you're showing off the
03:20:29Savannahcurves of your body stimulate your man SE might as well just go to the beach and the are buying coffee are tipping you in dollar this will make your point to they're coming to get coffee because
03:20:41Azureyou're in a bikini they could go to a better coffee then that's their issue but I'm honestly say why you're you would work that job to make more money the same reason you're posting bikini photos on your Instagram
03:20:52Andrew Wilsonto solicit sex you honestly say that your employer was like I want you to wear a bikini because it's really hot in here I don't give a what my employer is that what your employer was like I want you to wear a bikini because
03:21:04Andrew Wilsonit gets up to like 90 and I'd really just I want you to be cool while you're working why do you think your employer wants you to wear a bikini while you're serving responsibility if they come through because they or they want look
03:21:16Azureat my Starbucks if you want if you want a husband one day and you're a Christian work at Starbucks no I'm good they support abortion okay wait well find another uh Hometown and you support sex
03:21:28Savannahwork so no I don't that's literally not sex work it's literally sex literally not sex work it's literally sex still soliciting your body just like a sex not
03:21:38Brian Atlassex work not sex I'm not doing anything sexual whatsoever and then they hand you SE after it's literally not sex work Nick what's going on she's dipping bro
03:21:48Brian Atlaswait no are you leaving she just oh okay I thought she was leaving I had more quiet I was about to get okay um here let me
03:21:57Brian Atlasdo a chat here we have I grunt this brunette girl needs to stop talking and call her father who is watching she is so arler he may be considering deleting
03:22:08Brian Atlaswow okay left side needs more attention other women listen okay thank you I are do you have do you have anything to say to grunt here they should yeah I'm yeah they should be able to speak thank you
03:22:21Brian Atlasuh what was their username thank you for that I was hoping youd draw address the accusations of being arur that's what I was hoping you would I might be ar I might be too we have a lot in comment
03:22:34Brian Atlasokay just kidding I definitely am they could be called I think maybe this whole table Yeah Selena Selena hi speaking of Instagram profiles you're in the military correct we have our Instagram
03:22:46Brian Atlaswe have some some photos of you when you're in the military um Nick if you're able to pull that up it should be I think the last tab the Selena's
03:22:55CaitlynInstagram should be already scrolled down you got it no her Instagram tab get ready to see a girl blast I love her it's like the last it should be the very
03:23:06Brian Atlaslast tab army girl I love know I love an army girl all right so okay you got right oh wait scroll up a little bit
03:23:15Brian Atlasscroll up slay with your the Army fit what's the click on the the the mil yeah that one oh Sligh which one's you you don't know which one's me uh you're
03:23:26Brian Atlasyou're wearing a hat and you're looking down third the third that's and the the third yes okay all right that's the day I graduated all right nice okay what branch of the um what branch of the
03:23:38Selenamilitary were you in it was the Marine Corps Marine cor were you dating at all while you were in the military um so I didn't finish my contract I have make Tik to talks about that so I'm pretty honest about that you were dishonorably dis no no I was I have an honorable I
03:23:51Selenajust didn't finish my contract I get vet benefits and I'm I have an honorable so I didn't do anything like super like up but um I did were you deployed no I was uh station in Camp June okay oh
03:24:03Brian Atlaswere you reserves or wait uh officer or enlisted I was going active duty huh were you enlisted or officer enlisted okay um and you said you're in the Marine Corps were you dating at all
03:24:13Selenawhile in the military um no I tried but it just didn't work out a WM really what a WM who didn't
03:24:23Selenadate wait what's a w woman Marine oh woman okay okay like I I hooked up and stuff you know I had oh that's what I meant yeah when I was younger I did hook up a lot um it's not what I like to do
03:24:36Selenanow what do you mean a lot when you say a lot what do you mean l he probably knows then if he brought it up like you know joining the Marine Corp and getting there I got a lot of attention like yeah
03:24:45Andrew Wilsonw W have a reputation okay it's not like that okay but they do right you're right you're not wrong I agree yeah they have a WM have a reputation for spending more time on their back than they do running
03:24:57Brian Atlasin the field that's that's he's not wrong yeah he's not wrong isn't it the case that women in mil military get a lot of quite a bit of attention uh from
03:25:06Andrew Wilsonthe other soers it's just that wm's have a worse reputation than that too what's that I don't know why but they do is it true I disagree it's a
03:25:20Selenastigma yes but you said you were doing a lot of hooking up what does that mean I did um so I graduated I got there when I was like 21 I joined late and um so like all of high school I was a virgin I didn't
03:25:32Selenadate or drink alcohol or nothing so I never really like experienced any of that until I joined the military so it was something I experimented in okay but more so with the hooking up it was more so like I got played a lot when I was
03:25:44Selenayounger and I felt the need to have sex to keep a man at the time cuz I was young and dumb so like it was some people when they invent they do hookup culture is cuz they're enjoying it I personally didn't enjoy it it made me
03:25:55Selenafeel very empty and I just did it because I was lonely and it's to feel a void and it sounds kind of stupid but I was like years ago okay and you said you spent a year and a half dancing dancing
03:26:06Brian Atlasin a marine Town yep I now dance in a college older businessmen town but still reside in a military town so a lot of experience with Marines Navy um were you dancing while you were in the Marines no it's technically not a thing you can't
03:26:19Brian Atlasdo that okay well so you weren't doing it in any case um and you said you wanted to talk about dating as an exotic dancer yeah um well I just had two questions on that and if you want to expand more broadly on just dating as a
03:26:30Brian Atlasdancer was someone else here a dancer or you anybody else together you dance together anybody else dance EI anybody okay well we just have different views would either of you guys date a customer I
03:26:44Selenamean uh so so I get I get a lot of customers that come in that do try to date me but it's hard to we we weed them out but I've also met some very genuine men through there and it sucks that you
03:26:56Selenameet them at the club but you know it's just like meeting a guy anywhere but is it so it's an the immediate disqualifier if you meet the guy at the club it it depends I wouldn't te like you're not
03:27:07Selenasupposed to but I I I prefer to be honest to you guys sure um I wouldn't be opposed if I found the right gentleman you you know like and I don't want to meet them there it just depends on how he is there like if he's coming in there
03:27:19Selenabeing super like sexual and disgusting and wanting favors from me no but you know if you're just a normal human being being whatever you should come in with your friends just they chill but like I personally wouldn't want a man that goes to the club it is a big red flag that
03:27:32Caitlynthey're coming into the club in the first place cuz you know we see the type of men that are wanting to go into the strip club right so we know what type of guy that they are and usually it's just a red flag but like she said if they are
03:27:43Caitlyngenuine and like sure kind and like they don't go into the strip club often then yeah it would probably be sure I would so then if it's a red flag to for a for
03:27:54Brian Atlasa customer to go into a strip club to just be a customer at a strip club then is it similarly a red flag for like say the more the civilian population to be a stripper is that a red flag it's a
03:28:07Caitlynlittle bit different so the men are going into the strip club to consume SE a sexual fantasy right we are providing the sexual fantasy for money so we are not actually we are partic participating
03:28:19Caitlynin the sexual fantasy kind of on a third party uh basis we are not you know consum go ahead don't worry it's just
03:28:29Andrew Wilsonthe the sound board yeah yeah yeah go she she's upset by that one okay I'm not upset they're just like drawing is it a red flag that a person's willing to date
03:28:39Andrew Wilsona stripper at all is that a is that a red flag like a like just be in a relationship with a stripper not necessarily cuz we're people you don't think that's a red flag for for a guy
03:28:50Andrew Wilsonlike if if if you were if you were to have a daughter for instance would you ever make a recommendation to your daughter you should you should ever date a person who would date a stripper you
03:29:01Andrew Wilsonknow what I mean like that would be wouldn't that be a big red flag for anybody to say you probably shouldn't dat a stripper it depends like do you want a data stripper just because she's sexually versed well like the kind of
03:29:14Brian Atlasperson who would data stripper do you think that those usually high quality people like just if he if he had a gas but is and to add to that in the same way that you said it it the fact that
03:29:27Brian Atlasthese men are going into the strip club in terms of dating them you view you view them simply by virtue of consuming whatever you view that as a red flag if they're a customer it's a red flag would
03:29:37Brian Atlasyou object to men saying that just by virtue of you guys being strippers that's a red FL yo AB Che thank you for for the gifted 50 memberships I would object to it I think it's relatively
03:29:49Caitlynvalid because sex can be view you know sex and sexual interactions are valued differently between different people um so if that man were to come into a
03:29:59Caitlyntalking stage or whatever and say I value sex you know in this way very uh I value sex sacredly if the man were to say that right and to not want a relationship with a stripper because she
03:30:13Caitlynis a sex worker I think that would be valid um but it's not I don't think it's the same as women
03:30:22Brian Atlasso you're saying that it's okay for strippers to view the customers as red flags you wouldn't be willing to date a customer generally speaking but if men
03:30:33Brian Atlasview strippers as red flags that's not acceptable I didn't say it's not acceptable but it's I think it's acceptable in a different way I can answer do you object if I were to say for example I wouldn't dat a
03:30:45Caitlynstripper do you object to that there are objections that I have to that what why specifically it's just a job for me in my eyes it's just a job but if you do as
03:30:56Andrew Wilsondifferently well I I wouldn't I wouldn't dat there's tons of prostitution that goes on with that job I'm not a prostitute I'm not saying you are I didn't say that either of you are I said
03:31:08Andrew Wilsonthere's tons of prostitution which comes along in strip clubs especially I have plenty of buddies who are bouncers talk about it Con constantly in fact a lot of them say that they're you're hard
03:31:19Caitlynpressed even to find women inside those clubs who don't engage in prostitution I think it depends on the state the regulations of the club but yes in both the clubs that we've worked at I think that there are prostitutes do you think a guy's insecure if he doesn't want to
03:31:31Brian Atlasdata stripper he could be he and he couldn't be okay yeah all right CU I've dated some that you know didn't want to why why is it okay for you to not want to
03:31:43Brian Atlasdate a customer but if a guy doesn't want to date a stripper that's
03:31:51Caitlynproblematic I think he it's Dave Chappelle let go ahead go oh my God go ahead go ahead will you throw me
03:32:04Caitlynoff track and then expect me to just jump back in I'm trying to ride good arguments and stuff it's just like got you okay no Dave Chappelle said that not me okay we I that's why I said the I included the button part
03:32:16Chaseum what was the question I'm sorry um one what uh he was asking why is it okay for you not to want to date a customer but it's not okay for a man not to want to
03:32:28Caitlyndate a stripper it's problematic which I like the word that you used um for a man just because it shows that he cannot grasp the idea that dancing is just a
03:32:38Bunnyjob or maybe he just doesn't want a woman who dances naked in front of other men and that's okay that's valid I think that's a valid reason you you don't think it's problematic though if you think you're too insecure to have a girlfriend that does that then that's
03:32:51Chasetotally fine that's your preference no it's it's not think I'm too insecure I just don't I don't want I don't want please ladies ladies ladies allow me to ladies ladies ladies allow me to make this point it's not that I'm too
03:33:03Chaseinsecure I just don't want to share my woman in her body with other men is that simple yeah it would make you feel bad if that happened it's I just don't want to share my woman's body with other no
03:33:16Andrew Wilsonit's okay Chase if you're too so insecure you can't let your woman have sex with other men exactly exactly that mean if inse I could I could flip I could flip the same argument would you
03:33:28Chasewould you prefer would you prefer if you had a boyfriend would you prefer if he was loyal to you yeah I think it's just because you're so insecure that you don't want to sleep with other girls I
03:33:40Chaseagree massive insecurity it's a that's a big inse it just you don't like how it makes you feel honestly is like that only comes after like an actual relationship being
03:33:52Andrew Wilsonestablished yeah but a relationship would have already been established and you're you know under the same scenario where you're dating is uh person or girl
03:34:01Andrew Wilsonwho strips right so the relationship's established you say well that's pretty weak of you it's pretty weak of you to not want to date a girl who is a stripper right yeah because up until
03:34:14Andrew Wilsonthat point he found out he thought I was like amazing yeah until you started to show your naked body to other men so wouldn't that fall right along the same guidelines that chase is saying of hey well I'm saying he can have that
03:34:27Bunnypreference yeah but does he get to go around and tell everyone that that is the number one preference and that's how you're going to be happy yes I do say that that's not the only way you're going to be happy I'm not saying it's the only way that you're going to be
03:34:40Andrew Wilsonhappy when you're telling all of these people that then that's how it appears why do we have to all the in society most men don't want their chicks to hump other dudes that's simple right if you
03:34:51Chasetook if you took a poll of the thousands of men that are watching this and you ask them are you okay with your woman showing her naked body to other men I would argue probably 99.9% of them would
03:35:03Chasesay no maybe I've met a decent amount of there's an e well you do but you do sex work so you're the pool of people that you're around are men who want that yeah but that's not representative of the pop
03:35:15Brian Atlasas a whole the average guy does not want his woman naked around other men I'm not around other men when I'm naked okay can I still answer your question yeah go ahead go ahead and then I have a follow up and then I have to move on I thought
03:35:28Andrew Wilsonyou said you had an only things is that being naked around other men or is that me posting a picture you're naked two other men I mean I guess it's a distinction without Mar
03:35:39Andrew Wilsonvery big if you show your naked body to other men that's the problem yeah exactly so if they're paying for a service especially if they're paying for back to your question about that's that makes it 10 times worse maybe I don't
03:35:52Bunnythink so go ahead go ahead the average guy yes go ahead send you would rather wait you would rather me take send free titty P instead of
03:36:03Bunnygetting which version is like the better woman for I think that the likelihood that none she should should just never take a titty pick in her whole life yes okay let's find him a a girl that's
03:36:16Bunnynever done that there's plenty of them out plenty of them I hope you find them you're going to be happy I I already have I'm not worried about it but you just said that your relationship is okay wait well they're they're chrisan I was
03:36:27Chaseconfused on relationship stat I said my relationship status was private but what I'm saying about women out there who won't take those pictures is there's plenty of them and I know a lot of them this actually baffles me that you were
03:36:39Andrew Wilsonlike oh you just you think that there's a magical unicorn out there who's never sent a dude a titty pit that I mean that's what that sounded like yeah where I see what I mean there's a lot of
03:36:51Azureconservative women out there who don't do that magical univ I believe that it's it's I think it's in my opinion I think it's totally okay for guys who not want to date sex let her speak I think it's
03:37:02Azureokay for men to not want to date sex workers but the shaming part is what I don't like because it it causes more violence towards sex workers because they're more likely to get in no what
03:37:13Bunnycauses violence towards sex workers is the fact that they're sex workers so sh sex workers means there's less violence sex worker inherently means that everyone you should be like no he's not
03:37:25Chasesaying that it means that you should be on the receiving end of violence the reason why this is happening to you is because you dox no let's prend sex workers consort with men who are more likely to be violent towards them is the
03:37:37Azurepoint yes but why are they in that job it's survival there's many different but what you're saying is last thing from Andrew and then I'm moving on but think about how silly this is your argument is
03:37:48Andrew Wilsonactually the women who are sex workers get abused shaming women so that they stop being sex workers is bad even though if they weren't sex workers they wouldn't be getting abused as sex workers that's the argument it's
03:38:02Brian Atlasinsane that we're moving on Selena I have a final question here related to this so when it comes to your customers what do you call them tricks marks maybe you can answer this too oh I just call them my customers you don't you don't
03:38:15Selenalook down on them at all like call them tricks or marks no I mean I have a viral Tik Tok I made talking about the boots that come in Boots are like newly marines that just graduated they triggered some people but I like sure but um I was going to answer your question I was supposed to answer like
03:38:28Selena10 minutes ago which was what the one about it being a red flag of like sure if you want to answer that go ahead I have a different view from her but cuz so I'm very like I think I told you I'm more traditional even though I am a
03:38:38Selenastripper it this sounds kind of weird but um I sorry I ladies no sidebar conversations please you what she never
03:38:50Brian Atlasmind do you guys need water okay Nick can you get some them some water please no no no no I'm stri no I'm good huh you guys have just derailed 30 seconds of the conversation
03:39:00Selenago ahead okay my apologies I would agree I think it I know that I am a red flag just by being a stripper so I understand that for they don't need I don't think they need water I'm not clear at One
03:39:12TTS/DonationsMotorsports donated $200 and this is why feminism is toxic there is no realm in which sending strangers new pics should be acceptable
03:39:21Brian Atlaslet alone consider the norm but feminism says it is okay girl power get the Rocks I'm just frustrated because Selena hasn't had a lot of time to talk and when she is talking you guys are sideb
03:39:32Selenabaring while she's trying to make her point but so you were saying that you do think it is a red flag I'm very understanding of that and like a lot of men judge me for being a stripper but I understand like I wouldn't want a man that strips and it sounds hypocritical
03:39:44Selenaof me but if I me and a man that wants to be in a long-term relationship with me and he told me to stop obviously I'm My Own provider I take care of me so if I date a man and he wants me to stop he's going to have to step up and help provide because clearly I'm paying for
03:39:56Chaseeverything else I think that's a fair thing to for this is can I can I commend her real quick this is I think aside from some comments you've made the first accountability that I have heard tonight the fact that you said yes I I recognize
03:40:08Chasethat it's a red flag that I'm a stripper I respect that accountability I've been waiting to hear some accountability from this table for several hours now I time to speak so yeah I respect it I respect
03:40:19Brian Atlasit and I think one of the big differences is I think as men we accept our deficiencies and we accept that this might preclude us from dating certain
03:40:29Brian Atlaswomen for example I acknowledge that by virtue of doing this podcast some women perhaps a lot of women wouldn't want to date me I'm not thinking they must be
03:40:39Brian Atlasinsecure frankly I just don't care I don't care but it seems like women for example who are involved in sex work really want to like get on this Crusade about well if you don't want to date me
03:40:51Andrew Wilsonbecause of what I do for work there there's something wrong with you so um yeah but on the other hand but then he did go on to kind of qualify it with if
03:41:01Andrew Wilsona if a guy wanted to date me right he he would have to pay for my lifestyle to the sufficient standard that I could then quit being a stripper right don't you think that's counterintuitive well I
03:41:14Selenado have other stuff that I'm working on like I've only been dancing for a year and a half before that I was a car salesman so like see you might it might you might disagree I see dancing as sales I see everything as a sale I love sales um well there's a sales component
03:41:26Selenato it but there's a sales component to any form of anything so you know I'm doing other things with my life like I'm working on starting a side business I want to go back to school and finish real estate school I am prepping the bodybuild so I have all these stuff I'm
03:41:38Andrew Wilsondoing can I ask a question I've always wanted to ask in this situation I haven't had the opportunity but now I finally get to what is actually the worst thing that would happen in your life if you just stop stripping tomorrow
03:41:50Selenaif I stop stripping tomorrow I go broke and have no like well I mean do you go do you go broke or do you just downsize in life I mean there have been moments where I've thought about stopping completely cuz I I'll be honest I'm not
03:42:02Andrew Wilsonproud to be a stripper doesn't make me happy I don't find it empowering yeah yeah no I get all that but what's the worst what's the worst realistically that would happen if you got like let's say just a different job um I don't make a as much as support my current
03:42:16Selenalifestyle or the things I want to pursue in life right now stripping pays for my bills and lets me pursue things like bodybuilding and my side business and other stuff I want to for the meantime so that's why I do what I do now even though I hate it because I have the
03:42:27Brian Atlasmoney to do all the things to set myself set myself up for the future okay I need to move on all right so um for you two you guys and we we got
03:42:37Brian Atlasinto this a little bit earlier um it was a good answer we were talking about Twitter posts and we we saw some of the Twitter posts and I just wanted to pull them up this is from you and from you um
03:42:50Brian Atlasand just wanted to react to them get your thoughts um Nick make it bigger please so this is from bunny here you think you said I actually think men
03:43:01Brian Atlasshould be oppressed that's does that sound like a like oh I I I don't know do you want to guess if that was a joke or not I mean I wouldn't read it as a joke
03:43:12Bunnywhere where's the punch line was it a joke clearly you weren't around for the punchline in August 19th 2020 that was three years ago right go ahead
03:43:23Bunnynext Nick you said God I hate men yeah okay I'm sorry that I love that wait why sure I feel like these
03:43:34Bunnyyou're like trying to show me like Expos tweets but like I've seen ones that are like actually like very hateful and mine is just like ah I hate men you guys say
03:43:44Andrew Wilsonthat hate in that tweet yeah imagine if that said God I hate black people the the distinction there like what how how would that read do you think you think
03:43:56Andrew Wilsonit's just it's just fashionable to to kind of take a dump on men right you you said you love it yeah well yeah I think please scoot in scoot in to the table please maybe it's cuz she gets a joke
03:44:07Bunnyand you guys don't what's the joke explain the joke to me the I'm sorry you don't I'm ignorant explain the joke to me don't you think if I was trying to make a complex point about like my
03:44:18Brian Atlasdislike of men then I would have so you admit that you dislike into the mic straight into the mic please go ahead so I just like the things that men have been
03:44:29Bunnytaught and I have met so many men that have not fit that that I do not like I will not say I dislike men I don't like men so you pulling up something that I
03:44:40Brian Atlassaid two years ago and also I was dating men during that time either how's that re how's whether you were dating men or not at all relevant to what you bro I'm
03:44:51TTS/Donationsnot making a political statement I'm tweeting some on my hiim donated $200 I'm sorry but heroin addi hold on hold on with obvious brain damage argues
03:45:03TTS/Donationsthat if other men are paying for my nudes NBD only BD if free also Imagine piercing both cheeks and thinking it would bring hvm what's hvm I value
03:45:15Brian AtlasJak thank you we have more tweets let's just get through all the tweets let's just get through all the tweetss uh where are the sexy men at y'all are kind of mid not going to lie okay oh yeah that one's do you know that
03:45:27Azureone's funny no but earlier I think you were talking about something about she probably talking about someone specific like it's specific hat I know we all have those moments where you want to
03:45:39AzureI've seen guys joke about like I I'm so sick of like I've seen that it's just like I don't think I've seen I've laughed that guys being like I'm sick of there a whole tter
03:45:50Brian Atlasthere was a whole Twitter thre called how we act to hate our girlfriend time one at a time let me just read all the tweets uh you said just opened up my ho
03:45:59Brian Atlasroster to men don't make me regret this okay uh I hate to tell y'all but I tell my therapist details about the men I date and I even send her pics of them and she tells me if they're cute or
03:46:10Brian Atlasnot yeah I need some honest opinions sure and you mentioned some I I'll get to the the therapy part men used to go to war now they sell their bin fins on Melrose weekly okay next one yeah that's when you go and you buy a bunch of
03:46:23Brian Atlasclothes for cheap and then you resell them because you know their value I don't care about that okay people think a man who has to shave his head so no one sees that hairline is one of the smartest men ever W don't you think this is a bit of an adom attack like what
03:46:36Brian Atlasdoes his what does his hair have to do with his hairline have to do with his intelligence um I mean you you can be critical of you are you saying men with put on the other side pleas Nick put this on the other side put us on the
03:46:48Bunnyother side it doesn't matter when you tweeted it it does honestly it really do thing you can make fun of cuz it's kind of attrative 2,000 tweets no it's the
03:46:59Chasecontent of the Tweet you're saying that a man with you're saying you're saying you're saying you're saying that a man with a bad hairline can't these These are words that you used I'm just curious about them yeah a man that has to shave
03:47:10Brian Atlashis head to prove that he isn't balding and then he's giving everyone advice on what they should be doing to be real men so okay seems like an adom attack okay