2 TOXIC Feminists RAGE QUIT?! HEATED Debate! | Dating Talk #118

Date: 2023-11-15

Duration: 5h 58m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBunny (DT118)>

CCaitlyn (DT118)>

AAzure (DT118)>

SSelena (DT118)>

SSavannah (DT118)>

AAndrew Wilson >

SStephanie (DT118)>

CChase (DT118)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Bunny(guest)

SPEAKER_04Stephanie(guest)

SPEAKER_05Savannah(guest)

SPEAKER_06Caitlyn(guest)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08Chase(guest)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Nick (producer)(audience)

SPEAKER_12Sava(guest)

SPEAKER_13Azure(guest)

SPEAKER_14Selena(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteStephanie describes converting from boss-babe to submissive wife over years of marriage.

“I really support gender roles I think that they're really important... I have learned to be a submissive wife”

ControversyCaitlyn refuses to concede that men are generally physically stronger than women despite deadlift records, grip strength stats, and Olympic comparisons presented by the hosts.

“I can see in these situations that in comparisons that the men are stronger than the women they are beating the women but I don't know if...”

QuoteChase says he is witnessing 'the case against the 19th Amendment' while watching Caitlyn refuse to answer whether men are stronger than women.

“I'm witnessing the case against the 19th Amendment play out in front of my eyes right now”

QuoteStephanie quotes her husband: 'submit yourself into freedom' as the key to a happy traditional marriage.

“my husband said just submit yourself into freedom because once you do I still get the respect from my husband that I deserve”

ControversyAzure and Savannah clash over whether bikini barista work is sex work. Azure calls Savannah basically a stripper; Savannah denies.

“you're basically a stripper so I don't understand stripper yeah cuz I touch people and I dance on people for money”

QuoteAzure reveals body count: claims ~15, then admits it's definitely higher.

“I think up like 15 think up like 15 yeah up to 15... it's definitely higher than 15 by like ballpark”

QuoteBunny self-rates her looks as 9.3 out of 10.

“9.3”

OtherAzure rage-quits during abortion debate. She says she cannot continue and leaves.

“I'm going to leave I can't I can't with this... Thanks you guys for having me on the Pod I appreciate it and all the differing stuff I just I can't with this”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions & Relationship Status

Guests introduce themselves with name, age, occupation. Brian goes around the table on relationship status, longest relationships, rosters, celibacy. Caitlyn shares situationship with Marine. Sava discusses NBA/rapper DMs.

Feminism & The Patriarchy Debate

Main feminist debate: definition of feminism, whether patriarchy exists, whether women are oppressed, wage gap discussion, men vs women physical strength, high school athletes vs female Olympians comparison.

Sex Work Panel Discussion

Debate on sex work, whether bikini baristas count as sex work, Christianity vs bikini photos (Savannah), stripper red flags, customer red flags, whether men should date sex workers. Selena discusses dating as a dancer.

Twitter/Anti-Men Tweets Review

Brian reviews Azure and Bunny's anti-men tweets: 'God I hate men', 'men should be oppressed', fantasizing about lining up and shooting men. Discussion of misandry double standards.

What Is A Woman Discussion

Panel asked to define 'woman'. Bunny: XX chromosomes. Caitlyn: prefers not to answer (lives for trans community). Sava: hard to define. Selena: biological female. Stephanie: adult human female XX chromosomes. Caitlyn/Sava avoid clear answers on whether trans women are women.

Body Count Discussion

Whether body count matters; guests share their counts. Bunny: unknown (under 100). Caitlyn: 4. Sava: single digit. Selena: 10+ (lost count). Savannah: 20-40 range. Stephanie: private/low. Azure: 15-25+. Stephanie says body count matters.

Ratings Round (Self-Ratings)

Guests rate their own looks 1-10. Bunny: 9.3, Caitlyn: 8-9, Azure: 8-8.5, Sava: 8, Selena: 8-8.5, Savannah: 7-7.5, Stephanie: 8-8.5, Chase: 8-8.5, Andrew: 5, Brian: 6-6.5.

Abortion Debate & Walkoff

Debate on abortion triggered by comment about feminism as a patriarchal tool. Stephanie and Savannah argue life begins at conception. Azure rage-quits at ~5:36 saying she cannot continue the debate. Brief closing statements.

Transcript

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Savannahthe patriarchy um I think it's and I think that it's a victim mentality and I think that the more that you preach about it and the more that you try and convince yourself that um the

Stephaniemore of a victim you will probably behave like I would agree with that how about yourself do you feel oppressed no not at all um how our household works is my husband is the head of the household

Stephanieand I absolutely love gender roles I think that they're really important and I think that the sooner that we embrace them uh you can find Freedom and um with

Stephaniemy husband I have learned to be a submissive wife and he always tells me you submit yourself into Freedom if you go down the street you can do whatever and say whatever you want you carry a

Stephaniebig husband I fall under the protection of my husband of a man um I think societally yeah I think that men dominate the

Stephaniesystem but I think for the right reason um what is that reason I think that men are qualified

Chasefor how can I explain this I think that you think it possibly comes down to like competency Drive motivation male you know testosterone fueled motivation

Stephaniefor success and to reach the top of Industries and stuff like that I think so yeah with the workforce I think that men absolutely um have that driving force I think that women

Stephanieare here's going to be the hot take I think that women are made to be feminine to be supportive fated

TTS/Donations$200 men literally die to protect women men work themselves to death Doing Hard jobs for The Women fake alanus perhaps you never meet these men because you do

Stephanienot value yourself get some help be betti bety bet if you want to continue on with your point go ahead you know I just I I think that toxic masculinity I don't know if I'm

Stephaniegoing too far off topic I think is a joke um I again really support gender roles I think that they're really important um and I think that we're losing sight of it so so you don't feel

Stephanieoppressed conforming to a gender role in which you're submitting to your husband and subordinate to him I really cannot think of any time that I have ever felt oppressed I am just sitting here just speechless okay we got a couple here go ahead you go ahead then m going to be

Bunnyreal quick CU I have to go to the bathroom I'm really happy for you guys that you guys have had really good lives like that thank you you're welcome you know I we all have issues I'm not saying

Stephaniethat I'm perfect I'm not saying that I grew up with a perfect life you know it's a really interesting perspective because I actually 10 years ago I started off as a boss babe all I wanted to do was work all I cared about was

Stephaniemoney I thought that my status depended on my monetary value and it took a lot of work and a lot of arguments with my husband for him to make me realize hey being a submissive wife it's in the

ChaseBible first of all I know that a lot of people are not religious but I am this yo this is gold I want I want to go in on this for a moment if I may how did how did your husband convert you from the boss babe mentality to the

Stephaniesubmissive wife mentality it took Years first of all it took years and what made the light bulb go off breaking down the pride breaking down the pride you have to kill the self you have to kill what you think is the most important thing

Stephaniewhich is yourself and you have to start doing things for others and the people that you love so once I had identified that pride is the killer of all good things then at that point is when it started being very clear to me that I

Stephaniedidn't want to be submissive because I cared about myself and what I got out of the relationship was the most important thing rather than how can I give to the other person as much as I can without

Chasegetting anything back o That's gold right there what advice would you give out there to the women who are stuck in their pride and don't want to become those submissive Housewives because there's that it's something a lot of

Stephaniewomen struggle with I would ask what fulfills you okay and does money fulfill you what what is it that drives you to live I mean for me

Stephaniewhen I had children my life got significantly better I mean the the meaning of fulfillment happiness joy love all of those things I experienced it in a way that I never

Stephaniethought I could so there's hope um I know not all women want to have kids and want to be in a marriage or in a relationship but I wouldn't discount

Stephanieyourself and I love when my husband said just submit yourself into freedom because once you do I still get the I get the respect for my husband that I deserve he absolutely treats me like a

Stephaniequeen being a queen means as soon as I come in with a groceries you know what they're at the door they're taking the groceries out of my hand I don't have to lift a finger I don't pay the bills I get what do you need honey here's the money what do you need buy yourself

Stephaniewhatever you want that's what it's like to be treated as a queen but I treat him like a king and I look at him like he's my leader he's my protector he's my provider and I'm going to treat him with respect when he gets home from work I'm

Stephanienot going to bombard him go take a shower here's your dinner I'll be ready for you when you're all settled in and I know a lot of women don't want to hear this but this is reality because look

ChaseI've been married for almost 6 years and it has not been easy and some family members know what we've gone through how much easier sorry how much easier has it become since you've adopted that

Stephanietraditional gender role it it's always going to be a challenge yeah because by Nature we always want to go back to the self and we always want to serve ourselves but has it become easier has it made you guys live in Greater Harmony

Brian Atlasabsolutely okay yes okay yeah cool and you mentioned Pride I have actually a quote Proverbs 1618 pride comes Before Destruction and an arrogant spirit before a fall um you had something and

Caitlynthen Sav did you have something I saw some hand raises earlier go ahead so I would like to say that you are totally like within your rights it's beautiful that you want to be a submissive wife and you know anybody that does want to

Caitlynbe a submissive wife I think you should be able to take that opportunity if the relationship allows for it um but I think it would be oppressive to push that upon other women does that if we

Brian Atlaslived you you know where you had to be or if I if a woman had to be a submissive wife you don't have to do anything but know it might expand your pool of potential romantic Partners if

Brian Atlasyou're prepared to fall into a more traditional desirable role just cuz I'm curious now I just want toit just before just before we dive into that just before we dive into that I just want these are about to fall off on the chat

Brian Atlasso I'm just going to read them really quick yo Trad wife Cleo as a woman men are superior to women in any and every way not my word don't the messenger here question for the girls would you rather

Brian Atlasbe in a house with a man in a house or a woman in a house if there was a Breakin love you chase wait so would you rather be in a house with a

Chaseman or in a house what if there would you rather be with a a man or a woman okay that's a good question Whoever has a gun okay Nei NE neither have a gun everything's equalized would you rather

Savannaha man protect you or a woman if everything's equalized and it doesn't matter if they're you know I mean like in terms of weapons no I think your bodies I don't know what look like you're saying that there's Chase is

Brian Atlassaying that statistically are stronger so Chase is saying that the guy you're with or the woman you're with doesn't have a weapon would you prefer the person who would potentially be helping

Caitlynyou defend in that situation would you prefer that be a man or a woman how am I supposed to know a woman okay a man can be built like the guy at the computer

Brian Atlasman or the average woman I don't know what either one are built like I I don't I don't You' you're 19 years old you've seen the average you've you've here if

Brian Atlaswe can concede if we can concede that certainly there are some women that are stronger than men absolutely there are kind of weak dudes and there are super

Brian Atlasstrong woman she hip thrust what five what did you say 500b no 590 PBS oh excuse me 590 my bad um there are some very strong women who are capable of Defending themselves some of them are

Brian Atlasmartial artists we're not saying that no women can be stronger than men I know however do do can you at least agree with this most men are stronger than

Andrew Wilsonmost women I don't know the statistics no there's not a experience life experience well let let's equalize it then let's just say it's a man it's a

Brian Atlasman and a woman no there are statistics basic Nick search Google for average grip strength of men versus women well just say a man and a woman both 13 lb

Andrew Wilsonthey're both bodybuilders they both go to the same gym they both have all of those things in common they're 103 lbs they both go to the gym they both work out constantly which one would you rather have defend you do I need a study

Chaseto see that the we don't we don't need to study look look the the actual statistics is the average man who doesn't work out is his upper body is three times stronger at least than the

Caitlynaverage woman's upper body with no physical exercise if the man is stronger if the if my choice between this man and this woman and the man is stronger I will choose the man if I have if the choice pull it

Brian Atlasup men maximal hand grip strength showed the expected clear difference between men uh less expected was the gender related distribution of hand grip

Brian Atlasstrength 90% of females produced less Force than 95% of males so 95% of males were stronger than 90% of females this is grip strength this is not fighting

Azurelet's just say had to chose I'm tell you hang on that's fair car a gun ladies just carry a gun I'll get it it's fair so let's just try it this way you you had to choose blind you have to choose

Andrew Wilsonblind right think it's going to work it's not going to workor no no you have to that's the the nature this is the nature of the hypothetical you have to choose blind whether or not you don't know what you're going to get you don't

Andrew Wilsonknow if you're going to get just a roll of the dice a super tough awesome ass kicking chick who knows ninjitsu or a UFC fighter dude you don't know you know you know what I mean it's a 50/50 shot you don't know what you're going to get

Andrew Wilsonwho would you roll for who would you roll for who do you who would you hope came out the other end she's not going to individual going

Andrew Wilsonto give it yeah no no but who would you but if you had to choose one or the other blind you don't know right which and right you're rolling the dice you can only choose one do you want a man to come out or do you want a woman to come

Andrew Wilsonout you don't know what the variables of them are going to be you only know this one task which is that they're going to defend your life which one would you would you pick which one would you

Chasepick I just want to let you two gentlemen know I'm witnessing the case against the 19th Amendment play out in front of my eyes right now you actually don't have a preference wait wait you don't have a preference then okay so okay so you're giving me all rolling the

Caitlyndice right all of the women in the world all of the men in the world how am I supposed to roll a dice and and then even if the they're going to fight for their for my life with all of their strength that they have hang on

TTS/Donationslisten a hypotheticals designed to test your logic right mhm okay so what we're doing is we're doing a thought experiment hold on Modest hiim donated $

TTS/Donations$100 girl three I'd qu to say four on way to Red Pill one wouldn't answer if

TTS/Donationsshe was forced into sex work call 911 please number 7 fkn based lucky man

TTS/Donationsminimal makeup Superior three has gone fkn scary with zero brain power okay all right Jak I don't know I'm not sure he's

Andrew Wilsontalking about numbers is very confusing so the the question becomes this because they're trying to test your logic and say we're telling you that on average men are stronger and you're saying I'm not sure because unless I have the studies and this and that so what I'm

Andrew Wilsontesting your logic to find out is this if we had a situ sitation where you had to choose blind it's going to be a random woman or a random man who comes out to defend your life and you could only choose one there's only there's a

Andrew Wilsonbutton there that's blue for man and red for woman right which button would you push you can only push one I don't think she's going to go I think I think we can ask this question a

Chasemillion different ways I will answer as close as possible to the answer that you guys want me to answer I don't want we want what I just I want to know what you

Caitlynthink that's what I'm go ahead okay if we take all the men and all of the women in the world and there are more strong men stronger

Caitlynmen in this numbers in these numbers if there's more strong men than there are strong women I would choose the men okay let me

Brian Atlasask you a follow-up question related to that sense that was that thorough okay not I think the previous question I asked you was who do you think the hund strongest people are in the world M mhm and it's to me you said you didn't it

Brian Atlasare they are they all men are they all women is their a mix um all the men and all the women in the world are men stronger than women

Brian Atlasphysically generally speaking we did talk about this earlier well I'm just asking generally speaking are men physically stronger than women didn't I already say that I could

Stephanienot answer the question pound for pound they are muscle density bone density is proven thaty sure we all answered Superior to that no she's not answering she's she's saying she doesn't know

Chasewhich I think is fair and a just reference statistics that showed that 95 g grip strength is grip strength is a huge old girl grip strength is huge

Brian Atlasevidence of your upper body strength yeah that's that's your hands and and you said it's not related to fighting strength I I used to wrestle in high school now try this way high school right Nick

ChaseNick can you look up the male World dead record and fale World deadlift thanks you say that the men in the high school were stronger than the women in the high

Brian Atlasschool not always like when you just look around not always on average just just most of them most of them were stronger than let me ask you a question if we were to uh you are you familiar with like Olympics right you know how

Brian Atlasthere's weightlifting competitions in the Olympics the this these are the most exceptional athletes of both men and women if we were to show you

Chasethat in not just weightlifting but also in like lots of other sports in swimming in racing I have a perfect example the US and I'm saying this with all due respect the US national women's soccer

Chaseteam played a group of high school boys in soccer got scorched they got smoked by the high school boy these are the best female soccer players in America they got smoked by a group of high school

Chaseboys okay cool do you it's but it's it's like it's I'm not saying this to like on women or anything like that it's it's just like it displays the difference between the Sexes it was just

Andrew Wilsona I guess can't there's no actual place to go in an argument if descriptive reality is rejected so if the descriptive reality of that everybody on

Andrew Wilsonplanet Earth's going to agree with is generally speaking generally speaking not in a monolith there's going to be exceptions to this rule men are stronger than women that's indisputable descriptive reality so if that's

Caitlynrejected I don't even know where you go with an argument it's like a failed premise right away so I think it would to have a more thorough argument whenever it comes to this stuff you'd have to look at the actual biological

Andrew Wilsonfactors that go into this so like you were going like larger mus like let's say larger skeleton for instance more ability to create muscle mass higher testosterone all the things that lead to increased strength like all of those

Andrew Wilsonthings which men have on average that are much larger than women larger bone structure the higher testosterone especially do you think that men produce more testosterone or women on average

Chaseprobably men but definitely on average I I I can't remember if it's a hundred times or a thousand times more testosterone than men that men produce than women do but this is this is what

Chasewe're getting at men and what he's talking about men produce the hormone testosterone this governs why we have stronger bones why we have stronger muscles it also explains a lot of what feminists call the inequality in the

Chaseworld I was touching on it earlier in the podcast the hormone testosterone Mak makes men more driven more competitive more aggressive this is just built into the nature of reality and it's what

Chasefactually speaking like men are on average far stronger than women are doesn't mean women suck or that they're bad it's just a difference between the Sexes and it's grounded it's grounded in

TTS/Donationsbiological real Motorsports donated $200 anyone remember when Serena Williams got smoked by the lowest ranked male Pro men are built for violence and

TTS/Donationsaction women simply are not women will poison you in your sleep men will fight you okay thank you gri one I think one one good example of this is that in a

Brian Atlaslot of sports if we're looking at the Olympics for example I believe that the in this is in across all sports but I think if you look at high school boys

TTS/Donationsyou compare the top tier of high school boys okay loose energy donated $200 Brian gold top idiot pale Blondie

TTS/Donationswill not stop capping she knows the truth but is on here in bad faith men are stronger in every way versus women time to Frank Castle this he's talking about physical strength why are you

Savapouting about that I don't feel you I don't I don't feel like it's a sign of weakness in women to admit that men are physically stronger of

Savacourse not it's just biological reality yeah and I think you know like people have different strengths and weaknesses no matter the gender no matter the race anything like that the point I was trying to make is that if you take like

Brian Atlasfor example with uh the the 100 meter dash or whatever you take races you take uh swimming all these Sports the records the world records in high school sports

Brian Atlasfor boys they would be gold medalists in female sporting events Nick did you have something for us to pull up yeah did you find the deadlifting records yeah this

Chaseis the m dead belongs really interesting so the ma the male maximum deadlift record was set by oxil novikov of the Ukraine who set a new world record by lifting

Chase1,185 this comparon you need to get the comp you the female do you have the female numbers okay the female record was 672b so the male the male record that's

Chasean extremely impressive deadlift for a female by the way um it's it's a it's an impressive deadlift for a male too the male deadlift record is almost twice as

Chasemuch as the female deadlift record well wasn't it 1,800 lb it was 1,1 so it's double about it's like 175%

Brian Atlasthat we just looked at too that statistic it's about the same okay so in percent biologically speaking are men physically stronger than women on average girl just say yes for

Chasethem they're it's why women I'm so curious about this we just showed you we just showed you ask for the in all due respect we just showed you empirical evidence to the men

Chasein the room no it's it's no we're we're presenting just this is look yes and I these are the strongest woman in the world at deadlifting lifted almost like

Chasea little over half of what the strongest man in the world did like all of the men and women in the world those are the two strongest and the man was almost twice as strong like can't it would it not be

Azurefair to concede that men are on average stronger I think she's trying to say something and not being she not properly able to how about let her speak let her speak go

Caitlynahead it's like I can see that fact and like I totally acknowledge that fact in this deadlift competition or uh comparison or US National Women's Soccer versus high school do we need to do I

Azureneed to find more metrics to build a more convincing case no it's not about the case I don't appreciate how cornering her with this cuz she can't even answer the question you're saying I I'm not letting her speak I would like to make

Caitlynit clear I'm sorry I do not feel cornered this is a discussion and I'm here to discuss great I got you that's go ahead go ahead go ahead

Caitlynplease I can see in these situations that in comparisons that the men are stronger than the women they are beating

TTS/Donationsthe women but I don't know if so who would win a fightman full tips donated $200 why is it hard for the women to

TTS/Donationsunderstand that men and women are different men are better than women in ways and women are better than men in other ways it doesn't mean men are better or vice versa there's another one coming up that's about to fall off that I need to read but I will let you come

Brian Atlasin cuz I know you about to make your point and I want to he real a real doc here he says it's coming up in just a second one sec guys uh Nix thank you very much for the uh donation appreciate it man a real doc doctor salaries are

Brian Atlasvery dependent on their specialty and where they work a male ped pediatrician will not get paid as much as a female neurosurgeon thank you real doc appreciate that go

Caitlynahead sorry the difference in strength and you saying in these different situations you conceded that men were stronger but yes I just don't feel comfortable saying that in general women

Caitlynare stronger or versus men you know being Stronger Just because I don't know exactly what situation what is stronger what is not stronger and I think it just let her finish let her finish because there's so much complexity in argument

Brian Atlasyou're speaking in generalities there's not comp okay if we took if we took all the men in the world and we took all the women in the world and we were to add up their Collective Strength and let's say

Andrew Wilsonwe well who's can we do that though is the question no you can't if you take Lions take Lions do you think that the male lions the one with the mains are stronger on average than the female

Chaselions the one without the mains well why okay I would like to ask why just on average I don't know anything about lions I'm not a biologist I mean you've seen them have you ever seen him in a zoo we can

Chaseactually we can simplify it even further okay look almost every war I would say probably every single War actually throughout human history men have been conscripted by their countries to fight

Chasein the war this isn't because of patriarchy this isn't because of male specific oppression or anything like that the reason why men have always fought in Wars is because every nation

Chasethroughout the history of the world has had one goal in war which is to win and in order to win we're talking life or death situations like one country is invading another country and that

Chasecountry that's being invaded needs to protect their people otherwise they will die get awarded pillaged murdered so on and so forth throughout all of history men have always been sent to war because

Chasethe countries wanted to win and they knew that if they sent a bunch of women in there they would get smoked and it's this isn't commentary about women sucking or anything like that it's just like everybody's always known if you

Caitlynsend women to fight they're going to die if you send men you might have a good chance I would like to ask didn't Spartan women per weren't they Warriors in Spartan women it's that's a that's a

Chasegood question and Spartan women actually prided themselves on not being Warriors but they were revered in their society for their ability to produce Warriors they viewed it as their mission and Duty

Chasethey that it was their singular mission in life to give birth to Warriors that could defend Sparta okay and then what about Amazonian women W are they not it's that's a m you're talking about the

Brian Atlasexception we're not we're talking I don't know I don't know about amazia I all three of us men here and some of the women here will concede there are women that are stronger than some men yes

Brian Atlasthere there are women she can hip thrust more than probably 90% of dudes I know there are women that are stronger than men however generally speaking do you acknowledge that there are differences do you do you acknowledge there are phys

Brian Atlasthere are physiological differences yes between men and women and is one of those physical strength and muscle mass bone density not a biologist I and she's 19 have you have you in high

Caitlynschool did you compete in any sports no okay so like I I'm more than willing to admit what I do and don't know here and that's what I'm trying to put across is like if somebody told me 2 plus 2 was

Brian Atlas4 I wouldn't sit here and just be like well I'm not sure I don't know enough about it yet I I would be like oh thank you for letting me know that I sure I haven't seen enough evidence that

Brian Atlastwo why why is it that in sport why are the in sporting events why is it separated between men and women why do you think that is I don't know and I don't really like it I like in my Utopia that I described

Chaseearlier I you rather women be able to play football you'd rather women be able to play football against males in football and just get absolutely destroyed I'm not here to tell anybody what they can and can't do if they have

Caitlynfun the whole point of sports is to have fun and you know enjoy fun no it's to competition it's fun competition cuz other than that there's no point to

Savannahsports you just beating each other up it's to win and if women were competing against men we would always lose why every single time because of men anatomically we are weaker well what if

Savannahthey train twice as hard that's not how it works that's not reality that's not biology it's not black and white either sometimes like it's stronger what it's like such a black and white conversation

Azureit's not a black and white conversation and there's no Nuance to it cuz like yeah sometime maybe like there's a men against women and women will win but like the being like it's just so here

Brian Atlasthis is this might be able to get to the Crux of it so in Olympic the 100 meter 100 meter race who's of the records that world

Brian Atlasrecords that have been set between men and women who's faster men is it men it's men okay okay

Savain swimming who is faster men or women is it men I don't because I like I like I said Nick can you start pulling up Olympic World Rec if you say it's men I'll believe you I think what you should

Savaalso what you should look at too right is the strengths and weaknesses of both genders right like if you if you look at women right they actually have more productivity in their frontal loes right

Savawhich allow for you know like better like empathy delegation like decision yeah like we can you know like write better everything kind of in those terms right men have physical strength I

Andrew Wilsonactually just don't I don't even believe you at this point like I literally don't believe you it's not possible at this point for you to even continue like At

Andrew Wilsonfirst I did I was like just maybe she's really stupid but the thing is is like ultimately I don't think that that's the case I think that you at this point do know or uh maybe you're just like

Azureplaying along I don't know but I I don't think it's possible okay guys you have a daughter her calling her stupid there's no possible way I don't know why you have to try to keep it there's no

Andrew Wilsonpossible 19 years old you didn't know that generally men are stronger than women she's not politically she's not not a political issue what political

Caitlynissue it's a the pain is white and we're going to argue like I don't get it I did just admit that I understand that are physiological and beyond that differences between biological men and biological it's fine cuz they'll clip

TTS/Donationsyou and make you look stupid I think I mean if even though you're 19 years old mot Brian got to check out for a bit

TTS/Donationshave a tech call to solve some real world issues in the meantime can the girls that are refusing to take a position Define what they are looking for in a man um can take a position to find can

Brian Atlasthe girls that refusing to take a position what they are looking for in a man um we hold on we have to come back to that later because thank you thank you for tuning in um what are they looking for in a man I need to do a

Brian Atlascouple chats here um Nick can you pull up the twitch guys go to twitch.tv whatever drop us a follow drops the prime sub by the way Brian I don't know how much of your notes you want to get through tonight but uh no I know I need to get through some of them Yo guys go

Brian Atlasto twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime sub walls tacos hey stop insane B thank you man law thank you King Kong thank you uh bear thank you for the prime Nelly thank you for the

Brian Atlasprime Snell thank you for the prime lampy lamp thank for the prime disparity thank for the prime guys twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime sub thank you guys all right we have Conan 19 the more I hear the right side of the panel talk the more I agree

Brian Atlaswith Mary about the 19th okay thank you Conan uh doc vanas as we speak women in Cuba are in line to receive buckets of water because hav Havana has no water for 6 days there's no time for o women are just trying to survive in this

Brian Atlascommunist Paradise capitalism gives you the freedom and electricity to to expose yourself online okay also true all right there you have it Nick did you pull this

Brian Atlasone up or no I haven't okay um okay there you have it uh let's see okay we're all cut up on chats I'm going to start I need to start getting through

Brian Atlassome of my show notes here because we've lingered quite long on this topic um I don't know if I want to say agree to disagree on this because I mean there's

Brian Atlasjust there is the truth there is fact and the fact is is that generally speaking men are biologically or men are just stronger physically stronger than

Andrew Wilsonwomen did you have something I just wanted to finish have him finish what he was saying about me and my arguments I would like I just would like so in in order to at least try to keep it to less than two minutes

Andrew Wilsonprobably so in order at least some an argument at all we have to first agree with some type of descriptive reality if we can't agree to descriptive reality we

Andrew Wilsoncan't even have an argument it's so absurd that that we can't agree to the descriptive reality on this topic he's absolutely right just move on as fast as

Andrew WilsonPOS because just there's totally unproductive of course men are on average stronger than women nobody would ever oppose this right I've never heard

Chaseit in my life ever never not even once this is the first time so congratulations wait last thing on this I also I I I'm sorry I also just find it fascinating cuz earlier in the

Chaseconversation when we were talking about Marines you were like M mhm I like them no I don't you didn't you didn't say I like one okay but somebody made a comment about Marines and you're like uhhuh in general and there's a reason

Brian Atlasfor that cuz they're studs I've been trying to find this website for the past 20 minutes now Nick go to boys verse

Brian Atlaswomen.com what is this that that sounds very weird this is hi High School male high school athletes versus physical or versus female Olympians go ahead Nick um

Brian Atlascan you scroll it bigger scroll it bigger y scroll it bigger scroll it bigger a little bigger please little bigger please no no no stay up top let

Brian Atlasme read this if boys win against the fastest women is it fair for males to compete in female only athletic events so this is male high school athletes versus female

Brian AtlasOlympians this would be their overall medal count if they were to compete against each other in the Olympics that's those are the medals that all the boys would win that's how many medals the women would win scroll down the best

Brian Atlasfemale athletes in the world okay so this is track and field 2016 High School boys versus 2016 Olympic women's finalists okay so I think this is high

Brian Atlasschool boys in the US versus all women in the entire the Olympics is the highest level of athletic competition so this is the 100 met scroll down Nick um

Chasewait wait so sorry hold on whoa 100 m wait hold on oh I'm so for the 100 meters the best the fastest boy

Chasewould be 10 10 seconds and 10.44 seconds the fastest woman would be 10.71 seconds so the the fastest High School boys out

Brian Atlascompete uh there's eight High School boys that out compete the top uh the top women in the 100 meters same with the 200 M scroll down Nick and it says not

Brian Atlaswait uh hold on none of the women's finals performances met the qualifying time to enter the boys competition in high school 400 meters scroll

Brian Atlasdown just a little more yeah that's good and then it's going to Resort it okay same with the 400 meters same with the 800 met scroll down this is for track and field and swimming

Brian Atlasokay oh so the women the women actually beat the high school boys in the 5,000 m I think there is actually something for longdistance running in some competitions women I think female muscle

Brian Atlasfibers are endurance sometimes yeah yeah yeah um next scroll down something about metabolis the meter the 400 meter relay

Brian Atlasand then it's going to just Resort everything okay all right there you go down long jump triple jump so this is Jump

Brian Atlasdistance okay all right high jump pull

Brian AtlasVault okay the keep in mind the blue is men red is women shot

Brian Atlasput okay let's do swimming scroll down

Brian Atlasokay next this is the freestyle would you like to are you showing me all of these to make your point well I mean just across all the various different

Brian Atlasathletic uh is the point made or is this not convincing minutes is this is this not convincing wait hold on what were you going to say I believed you 20 minutes ago about all of these specific

Caitlynyou know sports events and stuff like that me boys beating women and stuff like that you don't you didn't have to do this I didn't ask for evidence in these specific situations but you did

Caitlynyou asked for steps I did ask for statistics on strength but then again we bring up what is strength give us a definition of strength then that you think we would disagree

Andrew Wilsonwith I guess the ability to fight or defend would be a good yeah no we wouldn't disagree we wouldn't dis agree that strength would be probably something which would be taken into account for a fight or something like

Andrew Wilsonthis so if you think that we would agree with you generally speaking on what you think strength is I don't think we would disagree do you think we would disagree about what strength is or I think there's just so many

Caitlyndifferent ways to consider it in like ways that we need strength so like we need strength in this way for sports and stuff like that but we need strength in a different way whenever it comes to defense or like defense of a household self-defense situations like that

Andrew Wilsonstrength that's required for like playing sports right do you think that's some kind of different type of strength than what's required for self-defense I don't think it's necessarily separate but I would say it is different well

Caitlynwell okay what's the difference one I I said I'm not a biologist so I don't I can't tell you the physiological differences that it takes to fight someone versus to jump a hurdle but it seems kind of obvious that

Andrew Wilsonthere would be some sort of difference in the body parts that you would need to beat somebody up versus to jump over all of those combinations of body parts that all those combination of people have for both Sports and for self-defense why in

Andrew Wilsonthe world would you ever um do anything but assume that men generally speaking are going to do better in all of those situations with all of those body parts just based on

Caitlynobservable descriptive reality you said why would I assume or why would I not assume yeah why would you not assume that I mean you have to start with an assumption assuming makes an ass out of you and me well then you

Chasecan't make an argument because an argument starts with an assum just out of curiosity hold on guys hold on hold on hold on hold on out of curiosity how many women at this table find strength

Chaseto be an attractive quality in a man you're talking physical strength right physical physical strength you you find that to be an attractive quality in a man okay just checking well but what kind of strength

Andrew Wilsonis that is that shoulder strength or is it knee strength or is it shotput strength versus defensive strength what kind of strength do you find attractive in a man the strength to defend me if the situation arises also I like a man's

Chasestrong enough to carry me whenever I'm tipsy or something like that gotcha right she okay let me ask you do you do do you so you guys all raised your hand saying that you find strength

Chaseattractive in a man don't you think that's uh a bit oppressive towards weak men to have that preference is that is that the patriarchy that's giving you those

Bunnypreferences like no so you guys you guys have you have a preference right op just like everyone has a preference I have a preference but I don't like go around telling like talking to everybody about

Bunnyhow I hate the other people that I'm not attracted to I'm like oh well they're ugly I'm not going to say someone's ugly you guys do exactly that yeah do exactly what I'm I'm never going oh because I

Azuredon't find you attractive you must be so ugly that no one will ever like you I don't do that that's how people talk to me I've seen clips of you that you do a lot of podcasts so you might not

Azureremember I've seen clips of clips of you saying that women are mainly you I think oh it's mainly me okay yeah saying that women certain women are ugly you're like I've never you're just not you're just

SPEAKER_09not that's literally fake you're not a he he does say women aren't T I do say women are not but that doesn't mean women that does but it's it's it's like per it's like insinuating that you know

Chasewhat I think we should do I think we should move on past this I think we should start getting to some of these notes we've talked about the physical strength but I've never called a woman on this podcast

Brian Atlasugly please don't misrepresent or try to like fake news something that I've said be precise with your words yes I have told women who claim to be tens they're not tens okay that doesn't mean I'm calling

Chasethem ugly though I've certainly never called any woman on this podcast ugly either okay okay okay cool glad we established that do you want to start on the notes I think we should get back to if it make

Brian Atlasyou guys feel better the real Mr meall I respect girl who's arguing here not backing down but you got to concede this one got to be able to listen to facts and change your mind I think I was able to change my

Caitlynmind per se I did end up conceding with you guys that um took about an hour what did you concede took about an hour there are physiological differences between biological men and biological women but

ChaseI don't I don't I think that was your position to begin with right that's her position her position was that she would have to see the data in order to determine whether or not men or women would be stronger that was her original

Chaseposition and now now she's conceding that on average men are stronger than women correct biological men on average are on average are men stronger than

Stephaniewomen in most things most being 51% oh my God kill the pride you don't have to double down nobody's going to shame you for it the truth is there we've been

TTS/Donationslistening to it for ancore easy $200 men tend to be more psychically powerful women tend to be more socially

Chasepowerful women in America are not oppressed LOL I would I you know at some point during the show I would love to hear more from this side of the panel as well I'm going to try to get into my

Caitlynnotes here but yeah yeah okay not on this subject on average are men more physically strong than women on average based on the

Caitlynpopulation numbers in the population I could say more than likely okay well that's the closest that I'm probably get okay moving on all

Brian Atlasright all right moving on moving on H okay um here where do I let's see um with a zir right uh you okay Azure you appear

Brian AtlasI'm getting into my notes finally here and I'm going to try to get through them as quickly as possible you appear to have a crush on Hassan ABI is that correct yes and shout if he ever watches this

AzureI'm sorry sorry for what for being on here he hates it here why okay he's a socialist and he he knows the formula of

Andrew Wilsonthe podcast what's I'm not going to go into you know you understand it's possible that because he's such a low tier low brow debater and has absolutely

Andrew Wilsonhe's not a deat and he's been very clear that he doesn't he's not because he's literally a so so it doesn't surprise me he can't I completely disagree but well I mean you can bring him in to have a debate then he doesn't

Andrew Wilsonsay that he's the smartest person he's a he's an internet personality who who got was connected to S political comment he got his job because he had contact political comment comment I'm a

Andrew Wilsonpolitical commentator okay well and people watch you and there's people who think you're an idiot so yes but you know the difference is is that I debate with those people and beat them and you know what he does he loses sounds like

Azurehe doesn't debate at all scared he doesn't debate he was going to debate that one dude with the blue hair but that guy is Destiny would absolutely annihilate AI it wouldn't even be close

Azurebecause he's annihilated him before he's good at probing questions that's the only way and what's a probing question what does that mean um when you're asking questions that really have no

Azurepoint what when you're asking questions that really just it's a question that stands that's no there's no answer there's no middle ground rhetorical question okay here I just I don't want

TTS/Donationsto linger too long on this you shot your shot but yes I love shout out modest hikima donated $200 please move away from brain dead

TTS/Donationsbrats brixon would love to hear more from zarm number seven only five sentences this episode interested in how you met your husband and how long dating before

Stephaniemarriage it's a good question you want to answer that sure um actually so I met my husband on a Wednesday the next day we didn't see each other we had a great

Stephaniedat we didn't see each other the next day the Friday we saw each other we had not spent a night away

Stephaniesince um until the night before marriage so we got engaged four months after we met sweet sweet so you you you would get

Brian Atlaswith Hassan ABI yes but he never responded to your DMs is that what happened did you DM or it wasn't a DM oh okay it was a comment and there was a random article made out of

Brian Atlasit you have a uh let's see you have a maybe I here I'll just finish your your notes Here you had a late golf story what what happened

Brian Atlasthere um was it about a dating story okays I'll prompt it I was late and he went golfing and said I could go golfing with him and it was freezing cold and I

Brian Atlasalmost hit him with the club on accident and he was mad the entire time yeah how late were you to the date um I think I was about like 15 but I texted okay okay

Brian Atlasthat's not too bad um you you one of your notes here you said why is it harder to find a more meaningful relationship mhm do you have any

Azurethoughts on that um it just like on both sides like we live in a modern society so it's just bad on both ends today

Azurethese days okay regardless of if I had an only fans or not like it's just it's harder for a lot of people to dat okay and find meaningful relationships so

Azureyeah you also wrote here men I like to separate certain things like I know that you guys are Christian and traditionalism so if I talk about I'm not going to ever talk about your Christianity but and disrespect your

Brian Atlasreligion but the traditionalism within that I defer that um opinion okay you also wrote here men feel defeated and so do women we're all defeated from what we see on social media what we see in our own families

Brian Atlasand what we're expected to be I mean do you feel that you've contributed to that by like some of your own social media posts or anything um I

Azuremean I feel like you might pull up something but when I make jokes online about um like hating men it's me punching up and I have like an echo chamber on wait you said it's you

Azurepunching up yeah M I think when I make jokes about men it's not serious and it's with a bunch my on the algorithm on

ChaseTik Tok it shows it to other women so wait so you're telling me that dating is difficult in the modern world because of the divisions between the Sexes but you're actively contributing to it by

Azurehating men online I don't hate men I make J oh it's jokes what's the joke what's an example of a joke like I I mean I write down stupid jokes on Tik

AzureTok like I can't think of a joke right off my name one that's gone viral if any like like the fem cell I'm like I I had like a bad experience with a guy and

ChaseI was like I'm going to become a fem cell it's not I don't really think it's not so I find your language interesting that you're saying that you're punching up towards men because in your own mind you're putting men above you you're

Chasetalking you guys have been talking the whole podcast about how mening stop hold on let me finish my point you guys been talking this whole podcast about how men oppress women but you are choosing to place men above you in your

Chaseown mind whereas I I actually look at women as of equal value and worth in God's eyes I'm not I don't look down on women I I recognize that there is a hierarchy you know as you mentioned I'm

Chasea Christian and there is a hierarchy in God's eyes as outlined by the word but I don't look I don't look down on women and see women as less than you know but like you're you're kind of mentally placed like throughout this whole podcast you guys have been talking about

Chaseall this stuff about like oppression and all these narratives and I would argue that those ideas that you're perpetuating throughout Society are actually alienating men that might want to date you guys I feel like I just the

Azurewords that I'm going to say Are Being Framed a certain way I don't feel I feel a lot of privilege so like I can't speak for the women who don't have the privilege that I have so I'm not saying

Azurethat I am oppressed but as a woman yes women to me in society have been oppressed but not necessarily me as an adult like I can there's I don't want to

Brian Atlasgo into the I think we should stop with the oppression stuff that's that's why I got you I got on the punching up thing so you're saying well

Brian Atlasme making sexist statements about men is Justified but the reverse is it would be when men make fun of women or say sexist statements about women that's punching

Azuredown I'll just say like jokes like if you if you're like I I made a joke where I'm like if you're making online contact online content that's misogynistic

Azurechauvinistic whatever and you're not you're talking about all the strength of men whatever building society and you're not doing it yourself it's just I'm I'm

Brian Atlaslike I just make fun of that but for not just you like people in general like cont I'm trying to dig in into the words that you used punching up what do you

Azuremean mean when you say punching up because if a man makes statements about women that are sexist that is sexist and and joking but if a woman makes statements about men that's not sexist

Azureyes it's still sexist but there's not like a huge like there's not going to be more violence towards men because I made a stupid joke I'm not going to like

Azureendorse you know hate towards men I think that podcasts like these don't even they don't even encourage the real issues of mental health because I don't

Azurebelieve I'm not sure if you guys believe in mental illness mental mental health podcast it's under the GU of a dating podcast but it's very political you guys are both Christians you politics you

Azurejust talked about how politics is inherently a part of dating like of course it's going to be a political show can you ref like I we actually don't talk about when did I mention that politics was a because you're saying one

Chaseof the problems in the dating world is that like there's a divide what a lot of men believe and what a lot of women believe and you referenced us and you called us Christians which by the way is news to me Brian are you a Christian a man of God oh yes I started referencing

Brian Atlasa lot of Bible verses throughout the show I read a little bit get you I I read a little bit here and there there's some based verses and stuff but uh uh you know to to answer your

Chasequestion you you were talking about how we're Christians and like we subscribe to traditional beliefs and a lot of that overlaps with politics as well and you you're saying like you guys don't talk about mental health enough you talk about politics it's like yeah it's a

Brian Atlasdating podcast politics is part of dating my purpose but um and traditional I want to go around I want to go around the table on this so um related to what you said about punching up um can you be

Bunnysexist against men um can you don't hide behind the mic please well I I had a question before but now I forgot it already can you tell me your question again can you be sexist

Bunnyagainst men um yeah and one if depends how you look at the definition of sexist okay what is

Brian Atlaswhat is the definition of sexism look it up you f I'll look I'll look it up sure sure sure I'll look it up CU I I don't have a dictionary that

Chaseprejudice stereotyping or discrimination on the basis of sex no you can't be prejudiced discriminate or stereotype on the basis

Brian Atlasof sex against men or you don't I don't okay all right what about you when a man acts a certain way what about you I'm wait did she what so you you can't be sexist against men no you can be sexist

Brian Atlasoh you can be okay I see I guess yeah with that definition yeah I think you can be sexist but are you saying there's a different I see what you're saying are you're saying that your definition of

Brian Atlassexism there's a component of Oppression of power right what's the one with racism power Dynamic I yes exactly I'm try I want to get it right but um

Brian Atlaswhat is it it's about systemic racism well no often inal no they'll say for example do you think you can be racist towards someone who's white ex it it's exactly like that um

Caitlyncomparison it's like I can have prejudices and biases against men just like black people can have prejudices and biases against white people but it's

Caitlynvery different because those um prejudices and biases do not have a into our so so you're talking about institutional racism versus institutional

Andrew Wilsonsexism yeah so if we're going to use this as a contrast and use institutional sexism as like a basis here what

Caitlyninstitutions are sexist um the feelings is a good one the mention of men being institutions institution says in like government

Andrew Wilsonsystems no no yeah any well whatever you want to Define as an institution but definitely your feelings are not an institution okay yeah yeah I know that it's not like is it so okay so your

Brian Atlasdefinition of sexism would be um Prejudice plus power same with racism yes it's not that there has to be someone who has power in

Andrew Wilsonthe dynamic so Prejudice plus power right yes so if there's not power on the other end it's not racist and it's not really racist because there's no power behind

Brian Atlasit so this would be the distinction yeah your your guys's definition of sexism can you be sexist against men might have wait you just you just

Andrew Wilsoninclude both of us I'm going to go around the table go ahead maybe you just read it real quick yes I'm Rec clarifying the question yeah like do you believe that it's systemic do you believe that in kind of the same thing

Brian Atlassexism is systemic yeah that there's systems which are in place in order to enforce using your definition of sexism do you think it's possible to be sexist against

TTS/Donationsmen can you as a woman be sexist against a men oh my God modest heima donated $200 this panel of six is interesting

TTS/Donationsinterested in why the other four are here are they allowed to speak will you ask them questions you're going to wait until after show Legit

Chasedisrespectful we'll get there to I mean to his point I will say we're almost three hours in and have heard very little from these ladies we're gonna try to bring them in go

Brian Atlasahead question again sexism and if your definition of SE your def definition of sexism do you think that you can be

Brian Atlassexist towards a man can can people be sexist towards men can women be sexist towards men uh yeah okay using your definition of sexism Prejudice plus

Caitlynpower what I didn't say that was my definition you just let me in with her wait I'm sorry can no no no so you cannot be sexist towards men not with my

Azuredefinition of sexism no I see okay um yes I believe you can but it doesn't make the same differ it's not it's not societally the same it's not the same so so it's more Justified to be sexist

Azuretowards men is what you're saying I'm not saying it's Justified I'm saying that it's not going to make a it's not going to make an actual impact like of course it makes an impact

Azureso there I I can't frame it in a short sentence because there are men there's men's issues that need to be addressed but yes it's not going to impact men as much as

Brian Atlassexism towards women is going to impact women I entirely I entirely dis that but erroneous if you look at most of life's

Azurenegative consequences they typically fall upon men so I think men I believe there's a lot of men there's a men's issues and I fully believe that that that should be addressed

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