2 TOXIC Feminists RAGE QUIT?! HEATED Debate! | Dating Talk #118

Date: 2023-11-15

Duration: 5h 58m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBunny (DT118)>

CCaitlyn (DT118)>

AAzure (DT118)>

SSelena (DT118)>

SSavannah (DT118)>

AAndrew Wilson >

SStephanie (DT118)>

CChase (DT118)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Bunny(guest)

SPEAKER_04Stephanie(guest)

SPEAKER_05Savannah(guest)

SPEAKER_06Caitlyn(guest)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08Chase(guest)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Nick (producer)(audience)

SPEAKER_12Sava(guest)

SPEAKER_13Azure(guest)

SPEAKER_14Selena(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteStephanie describes converting from boss-babe to submissive wife over years of marriage.

“I really support gender roles I think that they're really important... I have learned to be a submissive wife”

ControversyCaitlyn refuses to concede that men are generally physically stronger than women despite deadlift records, grip strength stats, and Olympic comparisons presented by the hosts.

“I can see in these situations that in comparisons that the men are stronger than the women they are beating the women but I don't know if...”

QuoteChase says he is witnessing 'the case against the 19th Amendment' while watching Caitlyn refuse to answer whether men are stronger than women.

“I'm witnessing the case against the 19th Amendment play out in front of my eyes right now”

QuoteStephanie quotes her husband: 'submit yourself into freedom' as the key to a happy traditional marriage.

“my husband said just submit yourself into freedom because once you do I still get the respect from my husband that I deserve”

ControversyAzure and Savannah clash over whether bikini barista work is sex work. Azure calls Savannah basically a stripper; Savannah denies.

“you're basically a stripper so I don't understand stripper yeah cuz I touch people and I dance on people for money”

QuoteAzure reveals body count: claims ~15, then admits it's definitely higher.

“I think up like 15 think up like 15 yeah up to 15... it's definitely higher than 15 by like ballpark”

QuoteBunny self-rates her looks as 9.3 out of 10.

“9.3”

OtherAzure rage-quits during abortion debate. She says she cannot continue and leaves.

“I'm going to leave I can't I can't with this... Thanks you guys for having me on the Pod I appreciate it and all the differing stuff I just I can't with this”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions & Relationship Status

Guests introduce themselves with name, age, occupation. Brian goes around the table on relationship status, longest relationships, rosters, celibacy. Caitlyn shares situationship with Marine. Sava discusses NBA/rapper DMs.

Feminism & The Patriarchy Debate

Main feminist debate: definition of feminism, whether patriarchy exists, whether women are oppressed, wage gap discussion, men vs women physical strength, high school athletes vs female Olympians comparison.

Sex Work Panel Discussion

Debate on sex work, whether bikini baristas count as sex work, Christianity vs bikini photos (Savannah), stripper red flags, customer red flags, whether men should date sex workers. Selena discusses dating as a dancer.

Twitter/Anti-Men Tweets Review

Brian reviews Azure and Bunny's anti-men tweets: 'God I hate men', 'men should be oppressed', fantasizing about lining up and shooting men. Discussion of misandry double standards.

What Is A Woman Discussion

Panel asked to define 'woman'. Bunny: XX chromosomes. Caitlyn: prefers not to answer (lives for trans community). Sava: hard to define. Selena: biological female. Stephanie: adult human female XX chromosomes. Caitlyn/Sava avoid clear answers on whether trans women are women.

Body Count Discussion

Whether body count matters; guests share their counts. Bunny: unknown (under 100). Caitlyn: 4. Sava: single digit. Selena: 10+ (lost count). Savannah: 20-40 range. Stephanie: private/low. Azure: 15-25+. Stephanie says body count matters.

Ratings Round (Self-Ratings)

Guests rate their own looks 1-10. Bunny: 9.3, Caitlyn: 8-9, Azure: 8-8.5, Sava: 8, Selena: 8-8.5, Savannah: 7-7.5, Stephanie: 8-8.5, Chase: 8-8.5, Andrew: 5, Brian: 6-6.5.

Abortion Debate & Walkoff

Debate on abortion triggered by comment about feminism as a patriarchal tool. Stephanie and Savannah argue life begins at conception. Azure rage-quits at ~5:36 saying she cannot continue the debate. Brief closing statements.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswelcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast thank you for tuning in tonight you could have been anywhere in the world but you're here with me I appreciate that we're coming to you live from Santa Barbara California every Sunday and Tuesday at 5:00 pm Pacific I am your host Brian Atlas I'm joined by

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Bunnyyour name age and occupation go ahead I'm bunny my age is 22 and I'm a content creator I don't know I do a

Bunnylot of different platforms what kind of content creation do you do um I do normal modeling I doer modeling I do only fans I do

Caitlyncamming um I do other sites like that okay how long have you been doing that for since I was 18 got it what about you I'm Caitlyn I'm 19 I'm a dancer and I do

Caitlyna little bit of only fans and then that's pretty much it I'm working on going back to school and I'm from going back to school yeah okay what do you plan on studying or what were you studying I like

Caitlynphilosophy and polyi so I just got my associates in m May okay um so I'm taking like a little bit of a gap year and then I plan on going back next fall

Azuregot it okay what about you I'm Azure AKA brat Goran um I'm a content creator on Tik Tok only fans

Savaand um twitch as well age and I'm 23 all right welcome hi I'm sava I'm 21 I'm a social media content creator um I mainly

Selenado Instagram Tik Tok and I also do I also do only fans all right welcome I'm Selena I'm 25 I'm an exotic dancer and I make Tik

Brian Atlastoks only fans or no only fans no only fans all right okay but you're a you're a scripper yes okay got it what about you I'm Savannah I'm 26 and I am a

Brian Atlasbarista Barista no no only fans correct no no only fans okay Barista what kind of Barista though specifically a bikini

Brian Atlasbarista ah what what so you serve coffee and a bikini ESS yeah like think of Hooters but like coffee is it a chain yeah it thing okay what's the can we

Stephaniewhat what's the name of the chain uh the one that I work for I'd rather not say honest F totally fine what about you hi I'm Stephanie I'm a stay-at-home full-time working mom I'm a licensed

Stephaniereal estate agent certified personal trainer I'm also studying to be a uh nutrition coach and in real estate in the state of Tennessee okay uh age I'm 30 years old 30 got it how many uh kids

Brian Atlasdo you have right now I have four kids four kids I have three and one Foster oh one Foster okay are you planning on having more kids or if God blesses me with more I'll take them gotcha and you said

Stephanieyou're you're stay at home mom yes yes I am uh I am blessed to be able to work from home so that I can do with my kids got it m yeah my sorry my name is Andrew

Andrew WilsonWilson host of the one and only Crucible I'm a right-wing political pundit and a blood Sports debater I appreciate you guys having me on this evening my age is 39 I have five kids wife at home um

Chasestupid dog named Shep right the whole nine yards so Shrek shre Oh I thought you said Shrek okay got it um yeah my name is Chase 28 years old I work as a professional photographer and a branding

Brian Atlasand marketing consultant all right cool so we're going to go the table once more what is everybody's current relationship status so are you single talking stage situationship Friends with Benefits

Brian Atlasrelationship married polyle sex cultum there's a lot of options nowadays uh if you're single how long have you been single and what's the longest relationship that you've ever been in go

Bunnyahead um I'm single longest relationship was a year and a half gotcha how long have you been single

Bunnyfor maybe like a month or two depending on what you count that as I don't know okay a month a month or two

Brian Atlasdepending on what we counted it's got it what about you um I'm pretty single I'm I think you know pretty single what does that mean so there's single and then there's pretty single so what is pretty

Caitlynsing last time I checked I was kind of in a Friends with Benefits type of situation but the last time I had a conversation about it it's probably been like a week or

Caitlyntwo um since we talked about it but then we we'll like go on and off talking for a couple days but I'm like as of right now as of today I'm very single um from pretty single to very single yeah yeah I

Chasejust had very single is it like the more you think about it the more single you feel very much so um but my longest relationship was almost three years almost three years okay and I detect a bit of an accent uh where are you from

Brian AtlasNorth Carolina got it okay little Southern or whatever okay and so you said the last time you talked to this guy who you're kind of sort of not really seeing was a week or two ago oh no like talk to him about the situation

Caitlynthat we're in um it's probably been like a day since we had a small conversation like we texted you you talked to him or you talked to him about the situation talk to him yesterday okay some like

Caitlynyesterday I'm pretty sure did you guys break up we were never like dating like he's my boyfriend it's been like a month and a half since we started like since we went on our first date and then like

Caitlynwe talked talked and then we are kind of like well he's like I don't know if I want you in my life forever I'm like okay so I'm just going to go with the flow I like spending time

Caitlynwith you he likes spending time with me we're going to go wait what what did he what did he say to you he said um something along the lines of like I don't know if I want to spend the rest

Caitlynof my life with you oo how did that feel to hear it hurt it hurt a lot I can't even lie um but then again at that point it had been like weeks of us talking so it's like one how is he supposed to know

Caitlynbut two it's not going to hurt me that bad we did like we got close really fast cuz like whenever I'm in any sort of situationship I'm like moving really fast so I think that put a lot of pressure on it and then he like we would

Brian Atlashave conversations about it and like we were traveling together and then eventually what does trifling together mean TR traveling sorry it's the North

CaitlynCarolina accent me off um and then he kind of went ghost for a little bit after I like I sent him this very long message about like me being confused and can you pull up the you you

Brian Atlashave your phone there why don't you just pull up and read the long message I hope he doesn't watch this something something tells me he probably

Chasewon't God I hope he doesn't watch this I I honestly just hear hearing the details I don't think you will you're right you never know I did post about about it but okay

Caitlynwe'll see you what do you mean you posted about it I just posted on my private story on Snapchat like my my main private I don't know if you know understand that concept well what did

Brian Atlasyou post just like a selfie with a link to to this to the podcast oh yes sorry sorry sorry um well what what was the long message I'm curious I want to hear

Caitlynit's been like a second we believe in you thank you I'm sorry if you want to move on while I pull it up I don't know one eternity

Caitlynlater how close how much have you guys texted since he like broke up so it it wasn't even a breakup he just ghosted me for like three days and then he was like hey sorry I blatantly ex um um what was

Azureit ignored your message um here I'll move on and you can find the message go ahead what was the question again your relationship status oh okay

Azureum I am single and practicing celibacy for the last 7 months um J not for any religious Rel relation but just for myself um and yeah I've just been single

Brian Atlasand not really trying to talk to anybody so okay so sell a bit for the past s what's the longest relationship you've had um 3 years three years

Savaokay what about you um I am completely single and my longest relationship was 2 years completely single yeah what does completely single mean just like there's not there's not a guy in the picture

Savacome not at all I'm not even like not even like texting a guy no come on no when's the last time you went on a

Savadate I mean does like like a date and a relationship count when was the last time you were taken on a date months month I don't know it's been it's been like a long time what uh how

Savalong have you been single for I've been single like about four months but it was kind of like long distance a little bit so like long distance even before that yeah you lived in Dubai Dubai did he

Brian Atlaslive in Dubai no he actually uh lived in Canada oh yeah are you from Canada no I'm from uh California originally okay gotcha um but so when's the last time

Savayou went on the date exclude like a first date oh I think high school high school yeah no I usually like whenever I've like speak pleas whenever I've

Savagotten into like a relationship like I don't know we just kind of like started like as friends and started talking like I've never gone on like a first date sure started like in a relationship from

Brian Atlasthere are you in college or were you in college at all or yeah I was actually originally before I got into social media I was in college for forensic nursing okay um well I think that's a pretty typical experience for people in

Brian Atlascollege you're not going on formal dates it's more of like a more casual hangout either one-on-one or in a kind of a group of friends or going out to a party or something like that so it's not surprising to me that you sounds like

Brian Atlasyou haven't gone on like a more traditional First AE or not frequently anyways yeah got it have you been able to find the here we'll come back to you on that how long is it is it

Brian Atlaslike that's is that your message yeah okay let's we we'll we'll do a paragraph or two and if it gets a little you should read you should read his message I'll try to like scan over the stuff that would take too much you thing is

Caitlynthat your message or his message to you my message to him and go ahead go ahead let's hear it okay so he said I didn't mean to make any of it a confrontation I'm sorry if it's making you feel that way I said it's not even about a

Caitlynconfrontation I mean I guess it is on my end I just feel like you've been flaky and different and it hurts my feelings I'd rather you just rip the Band-Aid off be blunt um Etc so I can go ahead and work on getting over it instead of

Caitlynsitting and pondering on whether or not you're actually interested in me like I almost want to apologize for being as intense as I've been but you started and literally the only thing that made me

Caitlynthat made you re-evaluate was me involving oh my god um my family and our hypothetical marriage situation it's so hard to like explain

Caitlynthe marriage stuff cuz like where I'm from people get married like all the time cuz it's a marine town so like contract marriages are like a he a marine yeah he's a Marine I know it's

Azurewhy wouldn't you want to marry you then I know that's what I'm saying that's a marine thing there the money they get money I think when they get married I believe or they do yeah they get a bigger house they get money y so I

Caitlyndon't know what the hell benefits yeah there's more benefits When a marine gets married that's why they get married okay all right ladies let's continue um from my perspective so that

Caitlynwhole like my take on the marriage thing was from my perspective is what I made keep going keep going I just wanted to make sure um you told me the other day you feel the same as you did before but you've given me no update on your position on things and certainly no

Caitlynsigns of affectionate feelings I thoroughly enjoy your presence thank you um and I want to spend time with you whether or not you're sick and while I can understand you not being in the mood to hang out because you're sick that's

Caitlyndifferent than how I would act so it kind of add salt to the wound I just don't understand and although I think you've been more communicative than most other guys would be oh hold on

SPEAKER_00just how this TTS and Poss bests decision

Brian Atlasall yo grid one it's uh we boosted it today just because we have a lot to get through conversationally so um we the read trigger is 100 TTS is 200 we just uh and we've done this before in

Brian Atlasprevious uh periods if we bring on a really big guest or we have like a big panel where we just want to make sure we get through everything and make sure that the TTS isn't too disruptive it's not um it's really not about Chase it's

Brian Atlasmore so just we have a very big panel tonight I have a lot of questions for tonight so just want to make sure we can get through smoothly but appreciate your support uh shoot me a DM and we can figure it out just a little bit more I'm

Caitlynso sorry it's all good um all of the questions that are swarming my head are being unanswered I told you I'm crazy or whatever and I express to you how intensely I feel things like this but I think you forgot or something I know

Caitlynthis whole message might ruin things even more add more pressure whatever but I think I'd regret not fuling fully expressing myself if things were to end between us and maybe I'm blowing it out of proportion but I think my feelings

Caitlynare drawn from reasonable occurrences I don't know man that sounds like a lot of work yeah it was i' I've have so many thoughts about this but we can continue I tried to be

Caitlynknow communicative but like I did I usually like to write down my thoughts in my notes beforehand in this message I did not do that so I just feel like it was not beast mode how long were you

Caitlynguys seeing each other for like a month at this point which it seems very intense but like the first week that we're hanging out we left the state together and we were together for

Caitlyna whole weekend and we were talking about like I said the marriage thing and he was like I might be falling in love with you and then keep in mind I'm 19 and like all I've wanted my whole life is to be loved like I'm very like and I

Caitlyntalk to my therapist all the time about it but I'm very desperate for it um and I'm you know working on that but what's your relationship with your dad like

Caitlynit's I mean it's fine now how was he growing up not not good huh he was some pretty absent for the most part and he

Caitlynhe actually watches this podcast like the clips of it on YouTube so um but he wasn't around often he was like whenever I was really young I would see him all the time on week so like every weekend

Selenasure let's try to get through the relationship status so go ahead I've been single since December of last year I had a situationship thing from February to beginning of July and

Brian Atlascurrently single not seeing anybody or talking to anybody right now K uh longest relationship um 6 months 6 months got it 6 months okay what about

Brian Atlasyou I am single and my longest relationship was a year one year got it uh how long have you been single um

Stephanieabout two years years since October 2021 so yeah okay got it what about you well you can yeah I'm married um I have been

Stephaniemarried for almost 6 years this is my longest relationship we've been together for almost seven years okay got it no

Andrew Wilsonbreakups by the way very proud of it nice yeah I'm happily married and thank God for that that I'm happily married um

Andrew Wilsonbut yeah I've been with uh with the same woman for um I 18 20 years something like that oh since so since you're like 19 or 20 or something yeah my 20s yeah

Andrew Wilsonokay got it early 20s shout out Rachel Wilson his wife is awesome she is awesome she also by the way wrote occult feminism little Shilling here on the whatever podcast great book I can't wait

Chaseto read it yeah it's a good book jease uh yeah my my relationship status is is uh currently private got and uh

Chaselongest relationship I've ever had was a year and a half all right cool so uh for the people who are single people who are single you really single come on there's

Brian Atlasa guy there's somebody in the picture a guy maybe a woman maybe a they nothing in the picture you said you've been single for what one or two months you said yeah but like you got

Bunnyhave you had a rebound has there been I like see people yeah what sorry what's that you I like see people see people like plural like I I go on dates people like ask me on dates okay and then they

Brian Atlastake me to dinner they take you to dinner yeah and then we like hang out when you say people do you mean men do you mean women mostly men do you date women too uh yeah not I haven't in a

Brian Atlaswhile though okay got it um do you have so previously we've had people on the show talk about having a roster you know roster list anybody got a well that those are two

SPEAKER_09different things so first I think respectfully I have a roster respectfully you have a roster um I respect all of them oh you respect all of them yeah they got all my love for sure they they get all of your love how

Bunnymany how many you got on the roster yeah you think I have a list is it too long to have a list well it's too scattered to have a list they're not because they're not in a relationship with me so they're not there texting me every day

Brian Atlasgot so like sometimes what's the size of the roster ballpark ballpark

Chasetwo to two to seven two two to seven that's a lot of variability it could be two it could be seven you got to get your options now yeah two to seven

Brian Atlasokay wouldn't wouldn't it be a bit more definite like I have five people on the roster no okay isn't that kind of like saying 1

Bunnyto 10 right no cuz I didn't say 1 to 10 could be anywhere between 1 to 100 just what if I said 1 to 20 then that would be a completely different thing right so

TTS/Donationslike to modest hikima donated $200 Chase sorry for Raging last episode stay based and keep spreading knowledge

TTS/Donationsbrixon props on raised TTS proper move for business I not religious but Jen Zed needs Jesus Big Time Christ is Lord amen

Brian Atlashey no worries bro yeah oh and also just with the TTS I think later on in the show that we're wait what was that I just made up for what for the guy I was

Brian Atlasjust joking with the chat cuz I saw okay anyways okay the the TTS we might uh lower it later on in the show we just want to get through at least the early parts of the show a little smoothly that

Azureway we can establish things um wait what were you at nothing specific about what they said I was just whenever there's a I like to engage with whenever there's a

Azurewhat there's a what a comment which comment the one it's nothing to do with the comment itself I just you just like to make mouth farts when somebody sends in a comment well I won't I again I was

Brian Atlasjust I just like to engage with the Chatters if that's okay engage with what chat what chat specifically the one that popped up the TTS po yeah I'm sorry if

AzureI'm not being specific enough well what what motivated you to make the mouth I just thought it was funny I I just thought it was funny I'm sorry not I'm not like being good me

Brian Atlasall right good times don't quit your day job to become a stand up comedian um let's keep it I just actually I farted I wanted to hide it I'm sorry did you actually you like that one

SPEAKER_09I what is yeah this girl okay I guess that's a more forgivable right she's trying to hide

SPEAKER_09the next time you should just be like sa does it can you confirm is it just absolutely yeah actually smells pretty good I kind of like it usually people like their own brand

Azurebut she's kind of feeling she's special it's my own brand of hearts and AAR what the I all right I feel like we got an

Brian Atlasinteresting show ahead of us folks let's go all right um okay so um two to seven

Brian Atlasguys um one to 10 one to 10 uh let's see I'll come back to the list thing actually uh but so you're single did you say how long you've been single for sorry if I missed that um she

Brian Atlassaid she's pretty single and then it shifted to completely single Super Single right recently this is pretty recent well you've always been single this is like no so I have I had one or I

Caitlynhad one threeyear relationship in high school like that was like my most significant oh yeah yeah sorry my most significant relationship we lived together for two of those years and all

Caitlynthat other stuff um and ago did you stop this situationship oh this sound like a week right it was like yeah this situation we were literally just chitchatting a couple days ago why let

Caitlynme ask you a question while you were seeing this guy were you talking to other people dating other people did you have a roster is I kind of had one guy that was living but he lives like far away and like I met him like over the course of three days and we hung out

Caitlynover those three days and then like he came up to where I live but we didn't get a chance to hang out so not really no not really a roster I don't like like this guy I like totally fell in love with this guy that I know knew for like

Brian Atlasa month I was like a month yeah you fell in love okay yeah gotcha but it's on the Rocks yeah pretty much sounds like it's basically dunzo yeah yeah all right what

Brian Atlasabout what about you so you said you're single you said you've been celibate for seven months yes um prior to the this 7mon celibacy period how were things

Azurelooking for you romantic um not I just wanted to focus on my career mhm and making money okay and working because I work a lot and it's

Brian Atlasreally hard to just sorry um it's it's really hard to just balance a lot of work with that have you been dating at all during cuz I mean you could still be dating but be

Azurecelibate right have you been dating at all I try to avoid because it's still like if I go on a date like there's a chance of Temptation right what about you um like in terms of like said single four months single four

Savamonths nothing come on there's there's some guy in the picture come on okay to to be honest like I've I I can't do hookups at all like I'm too much of a simp like I actually didn't even like

Savaexperience stop the C uh no I actually didn't experience attraction to a person until I was around like 17 and I realized it was because I needed an emotional connection that's the first time I ever experienced like oh I can be

Savalike yeah attracted when you say you're a s how do you how would you simp like you fall hard yeah whenever I get into like a relationship it's like that person and only that one person and it's

Brian Atlaslike I put kind of like my everything into it so okay all right um because I mean you have a pretty uh substantial following on

Brian AtlasInstagram I think it's what 1 point something million 2 million or something like that yeah it's like uh 1.5 and you're a content creator so I'm assuming

Brian Atlasthat you probably get a lot of DMS a lot of attention from men I mean yeah I mean I I do get a bunch of different DMS from you know like athletes rappers

Savaeverything kind of in those terms but at the end of the day like there's nothing that's going to really come from that so I personally usually don't respond unless maybe they said something like funny or something like that if they

Savasend me like a meme or they send me like an anime recommendation something like that then I'm like oh this is a cool person you you said some athletes

Savamusicians rappers yeah any anyone we might know yeah Drake well well no not in not in those

Savaterms not in those terms he sent you what kind of talking not not through the Instagram DMS but through some other I don't know I don't I don't like to talk about my

SavaDMs like personally I mean there was like um so so so Drake not in those not in those terms not in those terms whatever that

Brian Atlasmeans okay no it was like it was like more like an email but it wasn't it wasn't slil did did he write did he write you a love letter like what are we talking like for SL into the Gmail or

Brian Atlaswas it hot mail what You2 moves my you know how many uh how many celebrities would you say have slid into your

ChaseDMs um I mean quite quite a few like what are we talking 15 20 more um I

Savamean what would you would you include like like professional athletes actors musicians NBA yeah yeah I'm going to say is been quite quite a few are we talking

Savadouble digits triple digits at least at least double dig how many NFL players how many how many NFL players

Savaare always the NBA players the NBA players there's so many basketball players I swear that's like the top but okay all right wait you know what let's just pull up her Instagram really really

Brian Atlasquick just just to see okay maybe you know just to see um but and Nick do you know how to do that yeah okay yeah yeah

Brian Atlasum so how many from the NBA like 10 to 20 more it's like a team right it's a whole Ben yeah yeah te

SavaLakers but I also I won't say anymore cuz I I do realize like people come into my DMs and I don't want to be like that one person you know that no you don't have to say names we just curious about

Brian Atlasthe field of their profession that they're in you said rappers any uh

Brian Atlasum uh well we have two savs here I think so what's your at on Instagram it's sa ava. wait it's uh what's it

Brian Atlascalled what's what are the guys with the that control the puppets and their comedians what are they ventr any famous ventriloquist hitting you up actually no I hear they

Azurego hard in the DM vquest was he good Jeff Dunham Jeff Dunham DM you no I'm kidding there was a younger Tik Tok do do you have it I

TTS/Donationsdon't have the DM anymore cuz it was on my old account but okay oh 1.5 million okay scroll scroll down Lord have mercy we must stay focused Brothers we must

Savastay focused oh okay all right um okay good Gem Gem Queen okay all right I can actually I can HP thr uh 590 PBS that's

Brian Atlasimpressive yeah wow is that a is that like a for a woman you want to marry ch face and well Andrew you're already married is that would that be like a

Chasegoal like one of your you know green flags if she can hip thrust I mean not necessarily 600 lb but like I will say hip thrusting sculpts a woman's body in

TTS/Donationsa very nice way okay all right there you go James ston donated Jameson we're gonna have him on the show this is the most quiet I've ever seen Andrew the next time I debate him I have to

TTS/Donationsremember to bring a girl to babble about her situation ship apparently it his Kryptonite great show the the show's just started Andrew's going to well

Andrew Wilsontrust me we got we got some good convo moving into the flow Mr ston past the woman prattle we'll get past the woman prattle are you are you stifling an allergic speak situation speaking of

Brian Atlaswhich James seon I is going to be on the show he's uh he's a divorce attorney um and that'll be interesting I think he's James are you are you uh living The

Brian AtlasBachelor Life are you single because maybe we could pull up his Instagram nck can you pull up James seon's Instagram because we're going to ask the ladies if they would date James

Brian Atlasston accomplished and revered divorce attorney in New York City and where else I don't know where else but does he have a big

Chasenose why why are you asking is that a deal breaker or a deal something it's a deal maker okay um what do you think about Brian's nose is it good you like

Brian Atlasit he doesn't why you throw me under the bus I got a big regular you Fe your wife

Brian Atlasright here it's a reg noos okay scroll down he looks like Jordan Peterson to me

Azureno well not really I don't see it at all he's a handsome guy you know yeah not ugly but also he's he looks like a news anchor yeah I'd probably

Brian Atlashit wait wait wait okay so we're around the starting with you you'd what I'd probably hit if I wasn't celibate if you weren't I'm sorry James she's celibate

Savaat the moment I'm sorry I what about you no I don't think so um he's too old okay what about oh oh uh personally I don't

Azurethink we'd have anything really to talk about I think there's he's a fantastic conversationalist really never say never

AzureSav like Justin Bieber okay all right no he's a little too old absolutely not o wow okay all right no thank well you're

Andrew Wilsonmarried so okay um Andrew would you date Jam that's a that's a tough crowd for you sexon I I think the nose you guys have beef I love you SE no no we just we we're like frenemies we debate a lot oh

Andrew Wilsonokay what what did you guys debate uh last time we were debating about marriage okay yeah you were arguing for he was arguing against or what not really it was a little more nuanced than that but essentially we were argu

Andrew Wilsonarguing from um kind of a secular versus Christian framework on marriage gotcha um actually just coming back to you really quick have you ever had a roster maybe not currently but have you ever

Brian Atlashad a roster like dating two guys three guys for example same time very briefly briefly gu okay what about you when you weren't celibate did you ever have a roster um like maybe a main piece and

Azuresome side hose you know well I don't think of like them it's not like side hose it's just like dates okay have you I mean if you object to the terminology I'm using have you ever

Azuredated multiple people at the same time well what do you consider dating because like I consider when I'm dating someone it's like um like a commit commment

Azureromantically pursuing well then I've probably dated like a lot of people at some at at the same time it's not like they are they don't know well what do

Brian Atlasyou consider dating like a long like a serious relationship okay okay so typically when I think of dating it doesn't necessarily imply exclusivity necessarily yeah you could be dating

Azurearound for example um I just wouldn't can yeah dating multiple people how many how many dudes have you seen at the same time like the most prob at a point I

Selenamean probably like three to five three to five okay got it Sav what about you well you already asked me but no I've never never had a roster okay what about

Selenayou I just prefer to see one guy at at a time one at a time okay never but never little crossover it happens you know um well if I'm like sleeping with a guy it's one guy at a time but I'll still be like if we're not serious I'll be on

ChaseI'll go on dates still with other men and stuff but I won't I'll stick to sleeping with that one guy got it what about you nope never never zilp zil the is that okay wait I I have a question if you're sleeping with a guy

Selenawhat's the point of going on dates with other guys well cuz I end up in like situationships and stuff like that or like still it's too early to be like to define the relationship or whatever so

SelenaI'll just I like like her I'm a s too I I put all my eggs in one basket and it bites me like the ass later on so I'm trying to like not do that and still see

Brian Atlasother people they commit okay the chick that farted was determined to do so you see her you see her blank cavity bro okay I don't know if I want

Brian Atlasto breakfast this morning imagine how things would be if she hadn't okay chaos La you about McDonald's like

Andrew Wilsona um like a McDonald's sandwich like a mcck not McChicken what McGriddle Chick-fil-A wait what they I that doesn't make sense the the question that

Azurethey're asking is how how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning I would feel these are the pressing questions of the whatever podcast I usually I don't eat yeah I'm

Azurevery I'm like I need to speak very very carefully with this one well I'm I don't usually eat breakfast so right but but if you did eat breakfast what would it

Brian Atlasbe no no no how would you how would you feel if you hadn't eaten breast oh no are we talking about her bowel movements right yeah I guess I'm picking up down chaos law what's going what's going on

Azurechaos law her DMS are open chaos law if you want to explore this you guys want now I'm going to get people asking me to fart for them on camera I know it's

Brian Atlasgoing to happen trap the okay I just I just don't ask me to fart please uh just so going back to you you would be hooking up with the guy sleeping with him but then you would

Selenaalso while not sleeping with other men you might like go on some other dates is that kind of I might if I like if other guys ask me out or they seem interesting but personally I prefer to just I'll

Selenajust sit around and wait on that one guy okay how wait on what exactly oh don't know a commitment the feels yeah for you know from the like like me you know for him to like you you know for to be with

Selename I mean if he's sleeping with you shouldn't he like you no he should you know listen I'm we're from the same town I I live in a marine town like those Marines be playing too much games if it's not mutual on both sides I feel

Azurelike you don't hold any accountability for that one person not to sleep with other people if you're dating around that's how I feel so yeah I mean ladies don't conflate a guy sleeping with you

Chasewith him like liking you you and wanting to like you and wanting to be with you it's a huge mistake maybe I move a little differently but for me to sleep

Chasewith a girl I need to like her same a um like if I I literally can't sleep with a girl unless I have a strong emotional connection with her and if I sleep with a girl I want to keep seeing her like I

Brian Atlasone night stand is I mean unless she does some like obscene egregious immediately after we we've hooked up like but if I hook if I have sex with a girl I want there to be a continuity I

Azurewant to keep seeing her so I don't see the point of one night stand are you a lowkey simp am I a lowkey simp that sounded like definely not how is that simp it sounded like simp Behavior wanting a relationship with somebody

Chasethat you have an emotional connection with is simp s a little bit like simp Behavior this sounds like damaged perspective to be honest Behavior yeah fatherless Behavior wait are you telling me right now if a guy likes what's

Chasewhat's your name my dad's watching the podcast what's your name I'm aure Azure that's right are you telling me if a guy likes a girl and wants to be with her that's simp Behavior simp Behavior

Azureabsolutely not I'm making a joke a joke okay it was very dead pan it I'm a I'm very monotone so I sound like I'm being rude but I'm not I'm just okay you're

Brian Atlasbeing kind of sarcastic I guess yeah but not in bad faith oh okay no I I didn't detect the Dead Pan but same yeah I mean I was actually just I was taking uh I've

Chasedone a couple things and I feel like you've gotten offense like like you're like I'm not trying to be disrespectful you're a little bit hard to read yeah and the farting noise was offputting earlier it was my it was a cherry and I

Azuremade it because I feel like he was Mak he thought that I was making fun of whatever okay anyways so you don't you don't think if a guy likes a girl and wants to be with her he's a s no I think that's wonderful I wish there was more

Brian Atlaspeople like that but you guys have different values than some people okay or are you just walking back your position because we were about to push back against your position no I'm not walking back against anything it's not

Brian Atlasthat it's not that serious it's a joke okay it was a hard it was just a bit hard to detect it because it sounded like you were I'm very dead pan he he

Brian Atlasgot the dead okay that's fine um I think we went around on no roster roster okay um on your point since you brought up that a bunch of like NFL NBA players have dm'd you has any other girls here

Brian Atlasgotten that sort of attention from some like really really attractive attractive guys or high status guys have you had that care to specify like NBA NFL

Brian AtlasNHL um badman I don't know if badman's on that level Sports guys I don't even watch sports okay what about like the lead singer of My Chemical Romance do

Bunnyjard way he might I don't think he he has a does he have a wife who knows he has a wife um I don't know like bigger content

Brian Atlascreators like in the millions I don't know okay what about you no I'm pretty like small I have like a thousand followers on Instagram okay so it's like yeah you never know sometimes we've had some uh local college girls who have a

Brian Atlascouple thousand followers and they have NBA players in their DMS otherwise they're otherwise normal women not content creators just go to college here and NBA players NFL players are dming

Brian Atlasthem so okay um anybody else have some notable people dm'd you um you don't have to say who maybe just tell us yeah an NFL player

AzureNBA player this rapper you know yeah so I used to have a an account with 80,000

Azureand so I got hit up by the sports players and um excuse me rappers um but they're like SoundCloud rappers that

Azurewere like had some sort of hype okay but mainly um like sports players yeah specifically NFL okay gotcha um well I think we've

Brian Atlaspretty much covered most of my questions related to all your uh relationship status relationship history so uh two questions before we really get into things that I want to ask going around

Brian Atlasthe table do you consider yourself a feminist yes okay absolutely yeah absolutely what's the the first rule of

ChaseFight Club uh so is that a yes you answer the question that's the first rule of Fight Club yeah so you are a feminist yes I am

Savaokay um I feel like um there are different definitives um in today's age that um I don't know might extend some boundaries on feminism but I still do

Savaconsider myself like a feminist um but I think there are some kind of you know like there's aspects of it that you reject and

Savaaspects that you accept well I think just in terms of um I think everybody should have equal footing and the thing that I don't like is um when there's hate towards either gender and I think

Savannahthat's unfair but I consider myself a feminist okay okay equality I am not a feminist I am definitely not a

Chasefeminist I am not a feminist Andrew are you a feminist absolutely no okay you asking me yeah couldn't be less

Chaseof a feminist I am the official representative of the patriarchy let's go w w I love the patriarchy give me some what do you mean wamp wamp what

SPEAKER_03that's what we're here talk are are you not aware that patriarchy is based I just threw up my mouth you know Reagan would never say that okay do you

SPEAKER_03know who owns only fans re oh snop here we go oh yeah we can it's a white man I don't like that but you capitalize off of it men created and so does

Bunnythey're capitalizing off of us yeah so are you you also off of him are you supporting the patriarchy by doing only fans you make an active decision to do that historically that wasn't the case

Azurefor sex my only fans wasn't my first for of sex work wait historically what now historically sex work was made by men um so they wouldn't rape the good women of the

Brian Atlastown I'm just I just want to come in so they would our word there's been a few responses you've given to questions we are trying to have there's moments to be humorous moments to just answer the

Brian Atlasquestion immediately without like the what is the first R Fight Club you can just answer the question okay um we gave you pre-show instructions not to say certain words if it's absolutely necessary within the context of the

Azureconversation to bring it up use like sa I'm sure know what that can stand for I was I yeah I go ahead with your point um

Azureso when sex work first started when when was that that probably in the 1800s sex work started in the 1800s yes where there's prostitutes prostitutes started

Andrew Wilsonin the 1800s I'm not sure exactly what time but I would like to you're not sure that sex worker prostitutes started in the 1800s it's historic am 100% confident

Andrew Wilsonthat prostit stion did not start in the 1800s okay I can assure you okay so

Azureanyway go ahead okay um so s so sex workers were forced by men of the town

Azureof different towns because they would have wives and good women of the town that weren't considered SL can I say you can say SL that weren't

Azureconsidered or um the or whatever the the terminology um so they developed sex work so they wouldn't rape those women and they would are you brain dead all

TTS/Donationsright $200 the guy who owns have paid himself 1.3 million a day last year and still owns the billion dollar company you are the product feminism has failed you how

Brian Atlascan the patriarchy help you to day you're insanely based comment grid one thank you uh grid one appreciate it um what's your guys' definition of feminism hold on hold on is there something you want to say yeah um I never finished my

Brian Atlaspoint wait but but hold on are you aware of what you just did again you can I'm you can explain it because I I I asked you before the show

Brian Atlaswe said don't actually say that word just cuz it with YouTube whatever you said it and then not just now but earlier and then I said please use the

Brian Atlasword essay are you are you coherent right now yes why did you say the word again then I said the word again what

Brian Atlasare you just not that I feel like I feel like this liability to the show Bri okay feel like she's a liability to the show we'll we'll give her more chance but

Brian Atlasplease like I I'm try not to I'm not going to if you need if you need to use that word just say essay we all know what you're talking about here at the table word I understand or the r word I guess I'm feeling hey hey excuse me one second I think for the sake of your

Brian AtlasChannel one more strike she's out depending on what but please I mean we've had to tell you multiple times okay so I understand yes okay okay

Azurecontinue with your point um it started be so men wouldn't sa women of the Town who are considered

Azureum so it it's a job that was developed by men so yes it's been developed by men through time and only fance is owned by what evidence do you have for what

Andrew Wilsonyou've just said and then Andrew if you want to come in yeah so just just out of curiosity I want to make sure I got this right so I I don't want you to feel cornered I just want to make sure that I'm giving back what you're saying to

Andrew Wilsonyou are you saying that small towns in the 1800s developed systems for prostitution so that the men there would not sexually assault the women and yes and I'm not saying

Azurespecific I don't know what time period but whenever s or sex work started yes when whenever that's well I mean sex work's been around in America at least because we're one nation under God it's

Azurebeen around since America's founding yeah since America's founding it's sex work has been a thing and it was started to prevent that from happening to to prevent sexual because there was good

Azurewomen and women who were considered they like and so you say so they would be for coerced into that I understand so would you say then that you think that women who operate as

Andrew Wilsonprostitutes would have been less likely or more likely to get sexually assaulted by men it's a great question that okay the reason why they

Andrew Wilsonwere even in that job okay be is because they were more likely to be sa yeah but do you think that they would be more likely or less likely to be sa as

Chaseprostitutes the whole point of them not being not asking he's not asking about the point of them it's a simple question do you think they'd be more likely or less likely to be essayed as prostitutes

Andrew Wilsonmore likely yes right so then if the system always more likely for sex workers to be but so I just want to make sure I got the system right so if the system is this is being developed in order to cut down on essay and yet you're putting

Azurewomen in a position where they're more likely to be essayed does that even make sense to you essay of the good woman is I think she I don't know if you're understanding my point I'm talking from a historical where

Azuresex work started in the beginning when America was found like it's been around forever where did you hear this where where did you get this information I've I've looked up multiple articles and

Bunnyhistoric you wanted to come in go ahead because I'd like um yeah what she's talking so like what you were saying is like wouldn't they be more likely to a lot of these women that were put into

Bunnysex work in times like that they had already been set essayed by the time that they were like of they were they were considered the to they were seen as

Azuredirty so they were not they nobody wanted and coor why were they considered dirty because if they weren't married if they weren't married because they

Andrew Wilsonweren't married so so in other words the societal standard says to them yes our standard is that you can't step out you can't have sex outside of wedlock you can't do these kinds of things they did that anyway violating the societal

Andrew Wilsonstandard so the men went kind of pushed aside and went you're undesirable right yes okay so so if they're undesirable you're saying the only way they could carve out a living is to be

Azureprostitutes they didn't make I'm trying to make a point that they were coerced into doing it to prevent men to not SAA

Azurethe good women of the town because they those men would be married and they wouldn't they would step out of their marriage and so the through this of the city or the town do you think that man

Azuregot around in a table inside one of these T I'm not these women did not decide at the beginning it's decided list to hold just one sec just $200 Brian you should have kept the

TTS/Donationssuper chats at $99 the same is likely this poor gal IQ the delusion is super strong with this one fisim has nothing to do with anything this girl is talking

Brian Atlasabout uh grid one thank you man we we'll probably lower it later on in the show it's just we want to get through this early part quickly thank you man appreciate it appreciate it Andrew go ahead yeah I was just wondering do you

Andrew Wilsonthink that men got in a room and they were like talking in one of these towns one's like hey Chuck you know I'm really worried about The Virtuous women of our town being sexually assaulted by Steve

Andrew Wilsonover there so why don't we take all the undesirable women and we'll just make them all prostitutes so that that doesn't does that even sound realistic to that's where brothels were developed no that's not how brothels were

Andrew Wilsondeveloped then can you explain how they were yeah brothel are developed because uh women can make easy coin being prostitutes and many of them have no skills or didn't desire or didn't desire

Andrew Wilsonto have any skills and a lot of people moved a lot of women actually migrated from Eastern areas to Western areas uh in order to become prostitutes during the pioneering phase because they made a

Andrew Wilsonton of money during the gold rush so these were choice-based things these weren't nobody forced them into it's ridiculous I'm not saying it's forced it's that these women were cast out from

Andrew Wilsonsociety for not getting married or being considered so they were shunned that's true but patriarchy got together and was like you must be a you must be a prostitute because we're shunning you

Andrew Wilsonfrom society you're not even shunn really it's you're a social outcast because you're not desired by men because you have violated the rules and Norms of society hold hold on you go and then you go and then SV go ahead you

Bunnykeep talking about um can you SC your mic this way you're evading my you're doing a debate excuse meop on stop go ahead you go then stth you keep so what I said was that these women had already

Bunnybeen essayed before they had ever entered sex work and then you said though well these were their choices no that well that you said that you said that that because they're impure so you think that because a woman is impure

Andrew Wilsonsomeone else has done that to her the claim that women engaged in prostitution because they were sa and that's why they engaged in is ridiculous you could never prove that that wasn't the point I was make you're doing go ahead look up any study that you want that prostitutes

Bunnywere only prostitutes because they had been so you want me to find a study about how many prostitutes have been sexually that's not a claim the claim that you made was they were prostitutes because they were sa no I'm saying that

Caitlynthat's what happened before the like what's your point go ahead um I would like to say that the patriarchy is not a group of men A specific group of men it's like a description or describing

Caitlynword to um or for social structures that we have you know ingrained into our society and ingrained into a variety of

Caitlynsocieties and cultures so it's not just one group of people also um sex work sor who who's at this that's

Caitlynfine who's at the top of that though inside of patriarchy a individual that's on top of then what's a matriarchy led by feminine values so

Caitlynthen there's somebody on top of the Ary right that is female in a matriarchy so it depends on what you're using the word for so like when we talk about

Caitlynmatriarchy not patriarchy I know they're like opposing words um like for different yeah but who's on top in a matriarchy so in a matriarchy a woman is on top if we're talking about a matriarchal society but whenever we're

Caitlyntalking about a matriarchal society we're usually using it in a historical context um so we're describing how a like a specific Society functioned um like within their households and stuff

Caitlynlike that when we talk about the patriarchy in a modern context we're talking about the qualities and structures that a society has within it

Caitlynso um I would say to just throw in a a point that kind of correlates with patriarchy um capitalism is a patriarchal structure that we have

Caitlynwithin our society with a a lot of societies so men just make sure I got the definition hold on oh sure no no no I was I was just wonder I just to make

Andrew Wilsonsure I get the definition down so women can be in charge in a patriarchy I mean a woman could be a manager at a job in a patriarchy that's not really my question though I'm trying so you're saying that this is a

Andrew Wilsondeveloped system and this is a descriptor for How the West works or how uh different um you know different nations work you're using this as a descriptor for the systems and the systems are what creates a patriarchal

Andrew Wilsonsystem can at the top of this patriarchal system exist all female lead leaders theoretically I guess if the if the

Andrew Wilsonwomen were upholding patriarchal standards then yes so why wouldn't that be a matriarchy then I guess it depends on the definition that you're using theot it seems to me that

Andrew Wilsonpatriarchy has no meaning if you're removing men from being at the top of the patriarch right just like oh sorry just like

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