CAT FIGHT! Heated Debate About CHEATING?! | Dating Talk #87

Date: 2023-07-26

Duration: 5h 38m

Guests

Brian Atlas

EEileena (DT87)>

AAudi Drip (DT87)>

AAndrea (DT87)>

AAndaza (DT87)>

RRosanna Pfeiffer >

MMallory (DT87)>

MMia Lynn (DT87)>

MMichael Sartain >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_01TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Kelly(guest)

SPEAKER_03Rosanna Pfeiffer(guest)

SPEAKER_04Eileena(guest)

SPEAKER_05Mia Lynn(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andaza(guest)

SPEAKER_07Michael Sartain(guest)

SPEAKER_09TTS/Video Audio(audience)

SPEAKER_10Andrea(guest)

SPEAKER_11Audi(guest)

SPEAKER_12Priya(guest)

SPEAKER_13Mallory(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteMichael Sartain introduces himself: retired USAF captain, MOA founder, 45yo, hosts Michael Sartain Podcast and Access Vegas

“"my name is Michael Sartain I'm a retired US Air Force captain of little KC-135 uh as a navigator and I did special ops and I did counter Intel for a while and now I'm the founder of the men of action mentoring program... I'm 45"”

QuoteAndaza reveals she walked in on her boyfriend cheating and physically fought him and the other woman

“"There we go walked in on it walked in on it yeah... caught shorty on the corner so... he thought you're gonna be gone for a little while... yeah I ended up whooping her ass and then I moved to LA"”

QuoteMichael Sartain explains that removing birth control implant dramatically improved his girlfriend's personality and mood

“"she had the birth control thing taken out... totally different bro totally... the birth control thing makes bro... it's just so... it's a night and day"”

QuoteTikTok "bare minimum" dating standards video played — woman lists: be asked to be girlfriend, buy flowers monthly, always pick up/drop off, pay for everything

“"this is the bare minimum for dating me number one asked me to be his girlfriend... number two buys me flowers often... picks me up and drops me off... offers to pay for every activity and doesn't expect me to do 50 50"”

ControversyEileena attacks Mia Lynn's credibility as a dating coach, calling her a "26-year-old relationship TikTok Guru giving men advice with two men in her bed"

“"This is all coming from a 26 year old relationship Tick Tock Guru giving men advice of two men in her bed"”

ControversyMia Lynn tells Eileena "I don't care" and defends her right to give dating advice based on relationship experience

“"in my bed did you not listen to me say that I'm platonic... listen to me say I don't care"”

QuoteMichael Sartain presents stat that average US male height is 5'9" and only ~14% of men are over 6ft

“"the number of men the percentage of men over six feet tall... four percent... it's crazy... five nine yeah... the number of men... 14 percent over six feet tall"”

QuoteBrian asks panel to rate their physical looks 1-10; Eileena and Audi declare themselves 10+/off-the-scale

“"ask everyone to write their looks on a schedule of one to ten so you can't be like all my my personality I'm going to I'm a 10 out of 10... they'd be calling me Alicia Keys on there"”

QuoteBrian explains he sometimes does not pay on first dates as a screening tool and principle (does not want to feel like a sucker)

“"there are women that will string you along... keep securing attention... you'll pay for her... I'm not going to pay so when someone's your girlfriend then I will fall into... if you're committed to me then I will"”

QuoteMia Lynn reveals her body count is 11 (including kissing and penetrative sex)

“"I include like people in my body count that have like kissed penetrative sex 11 people 11 people"”

QuoteMia Lynn recounts a date with a diplomat's son who used his dead father as a reason to sleep with her

“"he was like um you want to go back to my place and I was like uh no I think I'm just gonna go home and he was like but my dad but my dad died and I was like oh... that is like the last thing you want to say to a girl"”

QuoteMichael Sartain announces Thursday charity event in LA — Babes and Toyland for troops overseas

“"I'm hosting a charity event in Los Angeles on Thursday it's a babes and Toyland we do one every year for animal rescue... this one's gonna be for troops overseas"”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Show Announcements

Brian opens show, plugs streamlabs/Twitch/merch/BLM nonprofit/clips channels. Guests introduce themselves in order: Eileena (bartender, 24), Audi/Audi Drip (fashion designer/musician, 22), Andrea (content creator/OnlyFans, 31, Quebec Canada), Andaza (hair model/social media, 23), Rosanna Pfeiffer (nurse practitioner/model/actress, 34, Buffalo NY), Mallory (content creator/marketing, 27), Mia Lynn (internet personality/PhD student, 26, Brooklyn), Kelly (student/personal stylist, 21), Michael Sartain (MOA founder/USAF/podcast host, 45), Priya (ASU student/equestrian, 22).

Relationship Status Round

Full round of relationship statuses. Eileena: single, never had official relationship, one 4yr situationship. Audi: single since 18, career-focused, had a poly house situation at 19. Andrea: divorced after 2-year marriage, happy being single. Andaza: newly single (2 months) after cheating incident — walked in on boyfriend, fought the other woman. Rosanna: 2-year relationship. Mallory: in relationship with her Tinder match's best friend. Mia Lynn: dating two men platonically/non-exclusively (one Catholic church guy, one 22yo from Williamsburg/AZ). Kelly: 1yr 7mo relationship. Michael Sartain: relationship since Oct prior year (girlfriend 24 years younger, 21yo; met at Mexico bikini pageant). Priya: single ~1 year, on show ~3-4 weeks prior, no new developments.

Andaza's Cheating Story & Catfight Debate

Andaza tells story of walking in on boyfriend with another woman. Debate erupts over whether to fight the other woman (Andaza: yes, did it) vs. walking away (Mia Lynn, Mallory: walk away). Eileena defends fighting. Mia Lynn argues any physical violence is domestic violence. Show of hands on responses to catching partner cheating. Discussion of Texas historical law on killing spouse and lover in flagrante. Rosanna: walked in at 17 drunk at a club and reacted physically; says she would not do that now. Brian moderates, discusses provocation limits.

TikTok "Bare Minimum" Dating Standards Video Reaction

Brian plays a TikTok video of a woman listing her bare minimum dating standards: be asked to be girlfriend, buy flowers monthly, always pick up/drop off, pay for everything, no 50/50. Panel debates whether standards are too high. Eileena: not too high. Audi: standards OK but you can't cherry-pick traits. Andrea: agrees with some (not flowers, not driving). Michael Sartain: attraction precedes standards; all items are "comfort-building" not attraction-building. Follow-up clip shows what she brings to table ("peace and energy"). Discussion of what men bring vs. what women bring.

Eileena vs. Mia Lynn Clash — Dating Coach Credentials

Eileena attacks Mia Lynn's credibility as a dating advisor for men given she is not in a relationship herself ("26-year-old relationship TikTok Guru giving men advice of two men in her bed"). Mia Lynn defends herself: she has been in relationships, has grown through them, and advises from experience. Kelly also questioned Mia earlier at ~0:32. Mia tells Eileena to not interrupt her. Tension between them continues through episode.

Jonah Hill / Relationship Boundaries Debate

Discussion of Jonah Hill's leaked texts to ex-girlfriend about her surfing in bikini. Michael Sartain defends Hill's right to set boundaries and argues the ex was the real wrongdoer (released messages after Hill had a baby with someone else). Brian: Hill was manipulative. Debate on whether surfers wear bikinis (Brian/Sartain disagree). Discussion of whether a partner can reasonably ask the other not to post in bikinis. Mia Lynn: boundaries are OK as long as not controlling.

Red Pill / Evolutionary Psychology Discussion

Michael Sartain leads extended discussion on Dr. David Buss's 37-culture evolutionary psychology study. Topics: hypergamy, body count and pair bonding, high status vs. low status men (Sartain: they are functionally different species), why men cheat (high status men have options), women's attraction vs. comfort distinction, oxytocin bonding and body count effects on women, naturalistic fallacy (what is natural ≠ what is good). Mia Lynn and Rosanna contribute neuroscience on oxytocin/vasopressin. Discussion of Genghis Khan Y chromosome, women waiting at the finish line (Rich Cooper quote).

Women's Standards & the "Delusion Gap"

Michael Sartain presents statistics: top 1% income is ~$615K/year (most women guessed $150-400K); average US male height is 5'9"; only ~14% of men are over 6 feet tall. Discussion of women's unrealistic standards driven by exposure to high-status men (VIP hosts, bottle service). Discussion of birth control (hormonal implant removal improving girlfriend's personality). Priya and Priya discuss natural cycles tracking (fertility awareness method). Brian and Sartain discuss never paying for girls at clubs who can't afford high dates.

Self-Ratings Round

Guests rate their physical looks 1-10. Eileena: 10+/off-the-scale. Audi: 10+/off-the-scale. Andrea: 8. Rosanna: "buffalo 10" (best in Buffalo). Mia Lynn: 7 with makeup / 5 without. Michael Sartain: 6-7. Priya: declined/unclear. Discussion devolves into debate about whether beauty is objective or subjective. Brian: objective standard exists. Mia and Eileena: refuse to rate below 10. Michael Sartain: men cannot just declare value, they must earn it. Long philosophical debate on objective vs. subjective beauty standards.

Dating & First Dates — Who Pays?

Brian reveals he sometimes doesn't pay on first dates as a matter of principle and screening (low-interest women will be filtered out). Michael Sartain recommends always paying to minimize anxiety and show value. Mallory: he who asked should pay, she goes 50/50 unless overly impressed. Andrea: does the "fake reach" but hopes man pays; would hold it against a man who counts dimes. Mia Lynn: impartial, every man she's dated has paid. Rosanna: wants someone responsive and funny. Discussion of foodie calls and women who string men along. Audi: if she asked him out she would pay. Debate on whether fake-reach is entrapment.

Body Count Discussion

Brian asks body counts. Mia Lynn: 11 (includes kissing + penetrative). Andrea: 10+ (doesn't keep track, plus-or-minus 10, more than that, doesn't know). Andaza and others did not disclose clearly. Michael Sartain declines ("man of God"). Brian declines. Extended debate on whether body count matters. Michael Sartain: sticker analogy (bonding degrades after repeated partners). Rosanna: no objection to men caring, though she doesn't ask men's counts. Show of hands: most women do not object to men caring about body count. Discussion of triple-digit body count as deal-breaker (most said yes at triple digits). Sartain cites 83% of women who cheat fall in love with affair partner vs. 29% for men.

Ideal Partner Types & Preferences

Round of physical and personality preferences in a partner. Andaza: men with dreads/locks, looks hard but soft personality. Rosanna: conscientious, cares about health, creative, responsive, intelligent, funny. Mallory: 6ft+ (not required), broad shoulders, dark and handsome, ambitious, gamer-type, no race preference. Mia Lynn: slightly older (10-15 yrs), white men mostly; also dating a 22yo (cougar moment). Michael Sartain: Vegas-type body (tight, cocktail server), boob jobs OK, long hair, green/blue eyes, not deal-breakers. Mia Lynn shares story of diplomat's son who used his dead father as a move. Brian: prefers short women (4'10"-4'11"), calm/introverted, natural, no surgery, low body count, soft voice, slight preference dark hair and blue/green eyes, parents made her do violin or cello.

Closing — Announcements & Wrap

Brian announces next show: Thursday special debate edition — Destiny vs. mystery guest on mystery topic (3:30pm Pacific). Then back to Dating Talk next Sunday 7pm Pacific. Michael Sartain announces Thursday charity event in LA (Babes and Toyland for troops overseas). Brian explains issue with Karen downstairs neighbor complaining about noise. Thanks guests; asks everyone to exit quietly due to neighbor complaint. Show ends.

Transcript

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Andrealike it's not that like um you you're told all the time you have to wait three dates no no like you have to build it up this is but Mac Miller was very attractive so you just had sex with him immediately

Andazarest in peace all right but am I crazy that's what we're always told no no 100 um I definitely feel like men are easy they are um so it was like when I see it guys like you're willing to

Brian Atlasme if I you on the first day you're no longer attracted to me oh you lose attraction for the guy oh absolutely you just let me the first day that's so crazy wait so even though you engaged and said yeah but that look I already

Brian Atlasknew it wasn't going any further because he was already willing for it I was like all right cool let's do this then what if he was like just super attracted to you he didn't have any qualms about sleeping with you immediately and then he actually did on long-term relation if

Brian Atlasif the guy wanted a long-term relationship with you but you guys did hook up quickly for on your end despite his desires you do know that right what do you mean he's not gonna if he wanted to marry you and

Michael Sartainyou let him on the first date he's going to you you do know that right yeah so you just ruined an opportunity for some dude who may want to be in a relationship with you but I didn't want to be relationship with him but let's

Michael Sartainsay there was a chance that you did and I did not want to have him okay but but the thing is it's not his fault if he tries to have sex with you on the first time all the guys out there that are like she

Andazamade me wait but there were all these other dudes that she did when we were like so he just let them hit like they just got to hit I don't think you should do it often like I definitely feel like I don't think you can do it often I

Andazadon't think you should just go out and be like not away from Material let me just you like it's that's kind of but it's like I feel like if you catch a Vibe and it's like damn

Andazauh I'm not it's not giving relationship but it's giving we can have a cool night like all about The Vibes I'm curious has that ever happened because the guy is either like really good looking or really high status and you just don't

Andazathink you can get him to settle down and that's why never I just like I get the ick really fast like you wear the wrong jeans on the date and it's just like I don't know I just like I have I really get that I get to turn off so fast and

Andazayou tell me all water tastes the same I don't even want to think about being in relationship with you taste the same exactly like one guy he was like what's the difference can you give me a Fiji Water he's like what's the difference they all taste the same never saw that man again

Brian Atlasyeah wait hold on just to be clear he said he drank Fiji Water and that was the no no I asked him to get me a Fiji Water he was like probably about getting Wawa he's like wait you'd like Fiji

UnknownWater first of all with Fuji water Fuji's dog you think so I mean [Applause] [Music]

Brian AtlasI gotta interrupt really quick um so my downstairs neighbor has been like is is a Karen and uh I'm not I'm not upset anybody I didn't disclose it she's

Brian Atlaslike been causing a lot of issues with our landlords apparently the the insulation or whatever between the floors is like dog so she can like so

Brian Atlasum one and I think it's only happened once or twice during the show I just asked if nobody if just to try to avoid stomping because she's a Karen and like freaks the out and our last show she came and banged on the

TTS Readerdoor in 18 100 Priya yo Martin seven figures real estate Construction in southeast D1

TTS Readercollege athlete mid-30s 78 I own a non-profit that helps dogs and horses

TTS ReaderMartin Foundation Brian has my personal details minus 100 True g600 fly out in two days is that a plane yes

Brian Atlascan I if I I would like to I would like to add a little something I'm I'm friends with markovius he did save me from an animal but he's also part of

Brian AtlasMensa so he's a hot very high IQ individual top one percent and uh he's a good guy he's a good guy so you have three suitors so far for the other shows

Brian Atlasthe most attractive can you guys can you spread it around look at all these you know thank you wait Martin Martin

Eileenaum how do you pronounce it I'm happy for you honestly look at you you're so cute look at you Martin do you like women

Brian Atlaswith sternum tattoos because sternum she's got like a flower right here right now it's more of a xiphoid process tattoo that's not quite the sternum that's fair enough

Michael Sartainparts of the rib cage

Brian Atlasokay all right thank you Martin appreciate it um Priya will you if he DMS you will you respond or

Brian Atlasokay

Brian Atlasafter I've had other waters so they don't taste the same essential is definitely top tier so you you ghosted him because he thought Fiji Water was comparable to other types usually it doesn't matter oh would it taste the

Andreasame and that's when you knew that was your deal breaker oh absolutely I think girls can talk about X yeah that's what I'm saying like I'm really curious to see the rest of the panel and what they

Brian Atlasdo honestly yeah we'll talk about it we'll continue moving around so moving over to you um about that water how long how long should you wait this is the

Rosanna Pfeiffertwo-parter like yeah how long do you think you like what's a good time amount of time to wait and what's the quickest that you've ever hooked up with a guy I mean I think everyone's different and I don't like to

Rosanna Pfeifferjudge but personally um I think it's crazy when people just like give themselves like anybody but that's just my personal opinion right so what do you think like third day do you have a third date rule this is what

Rosanna Pfeifferyou're saying in your life no never I haven't been with a lot of people stop the cat okay I mean

Rosanna Pfeifferyeah that's your story I I want so this is weird to say but I'll say anyway so when I was younger I'd always like I've

Rosanna Pfeifferalways I've been in monogamous relationship sure uh never when I get Sands and whatever and I've always thought about like my magical like futuristic like husband or person or partner in like my forever partner

Rosanna Pfeifferthat's always been my goal to find that and it's a lot of people's goals right and I always thought what would they want because I know what I would want and yes men and women are different but I would want my partner to be

Michael Sartainconscientious and selective and um I don't know that's just me again what was that what's the least amount of

Michael Sartaintime you have waited though in your few Partners yeah you sure about the diffuse you sure what no I have three months yeah

Rosanna PfeifferI haven't been with a lot of girls I just have like long-term relationships and I haven't had a lot of them so it just makes sense naturally haven't been with a lot of people what's the shortest

Michael Sartainamount of time like I waited three months three months three months yeah Mike would you wait three months uh so I I I would not realize I was waiting three months because I would be dating other women

Michael Sartainoh so you'd keep her on the slow burner I mean it wouldn't even be a slow burner for me it's like every every date is a fun interaction and then we go it's like oh well she doesn't want to sleep with me that's fine then I'm going to go out somewhere else what would probably happen is after about a month I'd be

Michael Sartainlike hey we're all gonna go on stage to see uh The Chainsmokers or uh marshmallow on stage of excess do you want to come and she just go along with me and like seven other girls that's happened to me before and then after three months a girl's been like okay now I want to sleep that's happened before I

Michael Sartainjust but no waiting for one girl for three months that's not possible no oh word everybody's different what about you uh we're talking about the guy who waited for three months did you guys the guys

Michael Sartainwho wait for their wins did they do you think they saw anyone else while they were waiting the three months no I mean my boyfriend now like he waited he waited but he did he didn't see and you don't think he saw

Michael Sartainanyone else no okay the bowling before really watching right now the one before do you think he saw anyone else while he was waiting three months I don't think it was exactly three months it was probably like you know I mean I could

Rosanna Pfeifferhear that Northern uh New York accent can you I've always told that like I don't have a New York accent but sometimes it comes out in weird ways and I'm like oh was this is this alcohol in

Mallorythis thing no it's energy I want to hear the next girl what about you so I chase men so normally the first night there we

Mia Lynngo oh we just shout out honesty that's awesome when I was in the beginning of college I would sleep with men on the first day

Andazaand it ruined me yeah absolutely why did it ring you no so I stopped oh wait so what's the quickest like 20

Malloryminutes or what oh no normally well I mean I've been rejected before but normally like normally the midnight Chase I like see them from afar and then kind of watch them and then like observe what kind of man they are sure and my current

Malloryrelationship I was talking to his friend before and then once me and the friend and or me and his friend didn't work out I pursued that guy period And I wouldn't sleep with him of course the first first night because I was interested in him

Mia Lynnokay so you when you were in college yeah I came from a Christian fundamentalist household and then when I went to college like that post-modern feminism

Mia Lynnwas like spread your legs act like a dude and I was like yeah hell yeah I should just have sex with whoever I go on a date on and go back to their apartment and it's totally fine and um had to learn the hard way that that's not how you're supposed to act but so

Mia Lynnyou switched to a lot of people yeah I was never taught from a young like age like like really anything about sex so I had to figure it out on my own and I was left to myself and the devices of

AndazaTwitter go ahead question um I mean this like um from all experience as well do you feel like you were sleeping with men in college to give you like validation for yourself absolutely okay but it was

Mia Lynnvalid it was in there was a facade of this is what feminism is like to the point where I would actually write the dudes names on a list because it made me feel like oh yeah don't open my notes up

Mia Lynnum like powerful it made me feel like locked

Michael Sartaindoesn't that seem like a great thing but then we get up we get out of college and then we're like looking for a wife you're like damn yeah

Kellyum Kelly what about you I don't see a problem with like you know I feel like I

Kellylike the fruit like before even meeting you so at that point it's like if I find you attractive I on the first date there's no problem with me sleeping on you on the first day

Kellyit's where after that it's like if we got along and everything went well and like it wasn't weird then that's where it could like you know eventually maybe when one day it will like go into something else but or if not it

Kellywill just be oh well like who cares but I don't think there's that much of an issue with sleeping on the first date what about you what was the first part of the question whether how long do you think you should wait and what's the quickest that you've I don't necessarily

Priyaknow if there's a timeline on it but I probably would say when you're in a committed monogamous relationship once you've like established that and the shortest you made a guy was two years

Priyano the shortest uh was a little over a month

Andreasure about that wait wait so you're saying you'd want to be exclusive before um sleeping with someone yeah ideally

Priyayeah yeah before you buy it no I would have a conversation with that person before okay I feel like everyone's experience would be different I dated a guy for four

Andazamonths before I slept with him and it was the worst sex of my life when I mean I finally I mean worse he was perfect

Kellyit's hard to say like oh like I'm leaving him because it wasn't like the sex wasn't good yeah sorry it does kind of slightly matter because yes I would be upset too if I waited four months to have sex with this man and the sex was

Andazahorrible horrible literally the worst body of my life like but he was the perfect man though like that they say men are superficial yeah I was gonna say I'm not going to

Priyaargue that sexual compatib compatibility isn't um isn't important but I think it can also be developed and I think that there are many studies that show that women have better sex when they are in long-term relationships and I think

Priyathat's because especially women get more and more comfortable in the bedroom the longer you're with a partner and the more comfortable you are with that person it was a size thing not a compatibility thing

Michael Sartainnot a compatibility thing does size matter does size matter raise your hand if Size Matters yeah

Brian Atlaswe'll do a raise of hands uh does size matter

Kellyit's not everything but it's like it matters it's like if you can't just have like a small dick and not know how to like you know yeah like if you buy you if you have the motion like good for you

Andreabut like the size of the Waves no I think too big is worse than oh absolutely yeah

Brian Atlasthat much I feel like a lot of men don't disagree but it's real they don't need to be bigger though like this I think your your conversation of okay well the sex wasn't great right well you said it

Brian Atlaswas primarily because he wasn't yeah yeah but like also a guy could be like average or above average in size and but also be bad in bed absolutely so but

Brian Atlaslet's be fair though let's be fair it's easy to be good in bed as a woman whereas it's like men actually have to put in work to be I mean it's

Mallorynot like a girl that lays on her back yeah yeah

Michael SartainI'm gonna say this and maybe just me but I've heard other guys that agree with me the the the how good the sex is is directly proportional to how hot she is yeah

Michael Sartainsorry I know you guys think it's oh it's because I do the Gluck Gluck 9000. oh no how good the Sexes for me is directly proportional to how hot the girl is wait

Michael Sartainthat's what you believe yes it is directly proportional I have physically attracted the girls multiple girls that is what that matters

Michael Sartainmore than anything a couple baby moms ready I'm doing an Impressions I'm leaving the plug

Brian Atlasdoes size matter no well yeah because like here's the difference right a girl like let's say a girl was just a pillow princess like you put a guy in that

Brian Atlassituation maybe it's not like ideal for him maybe he wants the girl to be a bit more involved but like you put a guy into that situation where a girl is a pillow princess he could still come however if like most and and

Brian Atlasthere's this talk of like orgasm gaps granted I think it's a good thing with if women orgasm but um

Brian Atlaslet me finish my point so there's this talk of orgasm gaps and like feminists are all up in arms about oh women aren't climaxing and all this to be fair it's harder to make a

Brian Atlaswoman climax than it is to make a man yeah not in those situations there's some there are some women who are like insanely orgasmic where they'll come in 10 seconds they can have multiple orgasms however

Brian Atlasthe orgasm response in women is so much more varied than it isn't men are fairly simple on that front whereas women there can be totally different major differences between the two women

Brian Atlasorgasms the main thing I would point out is the main thing I would point out is a guy if a girl was just literally laying there doing nothing 99 of men couldn't like if they were having set intercourse

Brian Atlaswith you could make themselves come if the guy was just laying there how many of you could make yourselves come doing putting in work I think a lot of women do right they get on top and they do it

Mia Lynnthemselves and he's not doing anything yeah well that's I'm not speaking I'm not saying

Brian AtlasI mean most I think a lot of women need to do a lot of times in general right a lot of women need some either some sort of clitoral stimulation there's gonna need to be some sort of stimulation but

Brian Atlaslike I would say can some women make themselves come if the guy's just laying on his back sure some women can but I'd say most like probably most can and also I there's a lot

Brian Atlasthere's a fair subset of women who can't even make themselves come yeah so this demands that like oh there's an orgasm Gap I think it's kind of bogus but uh so yeah well I think there is an orgasm Gap because you said it's harder for women

Brian Atlasto come right so like that's the Gap in and of it there's a gap but they blame men the blame is on men men don't care about women's orgasms but the fact of the matter is there's a there's a decent subset of women

Brian Atlasthat can't even make themselves climax through masturbation even alone and then like there's there there there's nothing to be said for the greater difficulty in terms of being able to make a woman

Mia LynnConverses or what that does to a man's ego or like his performance anxiety or anything like that word there are times where I'm just like in my head or like just really not able to and just yeah

Brian Atlasthere's like a whole complex situation going on that he's completely unaware of I do want to bring it back here really quick to our discussions of the guy making the guy who you like wait for sex but the guy who you don't

Brian Atlassee any long-term potential the Chad the really good looking guy the guy when you're traveling when he's traveling he's in town for a night you sleeping with him really quick so I've I have two scenarios I'd like to paint and I want

Brian Atlasyour guys's feedback on this so thoughts on this scenario you've been in the situation excuse me you've been on in a situationship with a guy for six months you really like him you want him to commit to you but he says he likes to

Brian Atlastake things slow somehow you find out that the last three girls he had a committed relationship with he initiated the commitment conversation after only three weeks of dating how does that make you feel

Andazawell if he got through three relationships like if three of them didn't work maybe he does need to slow down you know like why three weeks in you're talking about commitment I don't think three weeks is even enough time to

Brian Atlasknow if you want to be committed to a person I actually I mean I actually don't think that three weeks depending on how many times how many times you've hung out with someone is

Andazaall that long exactly so it's like she's finding out oh he had this conversation three weeks after with these girls you should have thought well you should be lucky he's not having that conversation with you I would be scared I forgot I

Andazawas talking about committee to me after three weeks like barely know me so I was like maybe he learns his lesson it was like all right good at least you're not trying to commit in the first month let's take it slow but six months I

Mia Lynnthink you need to know what you want by six months at least I think most women would feel like yeah six months have a view no I mean like most women feel like if they found out that like the guy slept with the let's not

Brian Atlaslet's not hyper focus on the the okay if you think three weeks is too too soon to have the commitment talk fine the point is is that in all his past relationships he initiated the commitment conversation

Brian Atlasif you want to change the timeline to two months so it's more plausible that's fine uh but he hasn't done it with you if a guy wants to date you you'll know

Andreathat like isn't that well that's what I've been learning from the boys they'll know they'll know and so when a guy usually says I want to take it slow or whatever usually that's like a red flag sign like usually six months or whatever

Brian Atlasusually they know right off the bat after first or second date if you're you know obviously they'll get to know you more but yeah okay fine let me give you let me give you another analogy to try to paint correct okay all right

Brian Atlasum so don't shoot the messenger here so making a man wait while you smashed the hot dude that you knew you weren't going to commit to just hooking up with a bunch

Brian Atlasof dudes uh so making the man wait while you smash Chad after a few beers on the slow Tuesday would be like me going to McDonald's and while everyone else is eating they're paid one dollar for that

Michael Sartaincheeseburger the clerks look at me and says it's a thousand dollars for you sir means you're special by the way this is an analogy don't I'm not trying you're calling women I try to say the same thing earlier like that's exactly my

Michael Sartainpoint it's like you guys when you say this kind of stuff it's like hey I don't want to commit to you you're just a hot guy I'm on a date with so I'm gonna have sex with you immediately and then you meet some other guy who's a gentleman to you you're like wow I see long-term

Michael Sartainpotential I'm gonna make him wait if those two dudes ever meet if there was a place where men like that ever shared stories like the manosphere then they then then they're not going to

Michael Sartainallow that behavior and they're going to be like wait she didn't make you wait she let you on the first date but she's making me wait for you guys you think no no no you're a relationship guy you're special that's not how he feels

Andazathough he doesn't feel special because you had sex with the other guy on the first date that's why so you can't tell people how they feel wait what's that you're saying you can't tell me how to feel I'm gonna tell you how to feel it exactly how are you how are you gonna

Michael Sartainsay he feels that way how do you know that a guy well guys have to put in work serious like that's all they they sit there and comment about this all whole time you really think guys don't feel that way you really think a guy who's trying to be in a relationship with you is not going to be bothered by the fact that you let a bunch of other dudes

Andazaon the first date while you made him that made well you made him wait a month you really I mean are you concerned about God I'm not concerned about I mean I'm just saying like why would the guy be concerned about God because body count matters because it does it matters

Andazato that really because I feel like what matters is those test results because you can have a body count of three people there's literally studies there's literally studies that show like as

Michael Sartainwomen with more sexual partners before marriage the likelihood of them being happy in a marriage decreases but it's not the same thing that happens for men yeah it's not the same thing for men absolutely but when you have when you so it does matter it would matter to me if

Michael Sartainyou've had if you let a bunch of dudes smash on the first day for sure if you made me wait a bunch you better forget if we ever bump into each other and then I found out that he

Andazayou didn't make him wait you made me wait you're salty that I let a guy Smash and like what like our bottle now if you have a roster of guys you got smash on the first day yeah I'd be a little salty that like I wasn't on that roster you should just let me Smash too but you

Andazaknow but it's like if it's like okay I found I've ran to this one guy that you let smash on the first date and I'm the one guy that you've done last National one day are you really gonna be salty about that I think yeah I'm telling you a lot of guys what yes unequivocally

Mia Lynnmost men would yes absolutely um like this is not meant to be inflammatory at all but this is what I was talking about when I say like the chasm between men and women like he's trying to tell you that like men feel a

Mia Lynncertain type of way and you're trying to say like well why that doesn't make sense it's like well we when we talk to men we want them to understand how we feel in certain situations like we need to open our ears you know what I mean and like listen to what they're saying I was just speaking from my experience

Andazalike I've yeah I wasn't trying to like yeah no absolutely understand I've been in relationships one one I'm not gonna lie one of my first long-term relationships was one of my first my last thoughts on relationship I did sleep home on the first date but I didn't see a relationship with him we

Andazastill were friends and I was like you know what maybe we could pursue this after you know but it just goes from there I guess like it all goes off of vibe like I can date a guy like I said for four months and then sleep with him and it's the worst decision of my life

Brian Atlasor I can sleep with him the first date and it'd be a solid decision or I can sleep in the first day and not want to pursue you after like right my personal take on this look if you previously slept with for example 20 guys first

Brian Atlasnight then I come along and then you're going to make me wait you want to make me wait for dates maybe you had a change of heart and that's just your standard moving forward again it's your body it's

Brian Atlasa hundred percent your choice I wouldn't try to like pressure a girl into it however we we men are within our right to also view that and be like what the absolutely like absolutely but how

Eileenamany years like the rules of reverse with guys like guys are it's so socially acceptable for guys to do whatever they want especially in a sexual manner like and it also goes

Eileenaback to culture and especially like most cultures are okay with guys doing whatever like literally like I'm personally Latina and in Latina culture guys can do whatever they want it's true and they are not scrutinized by their

Eileenamothers grandmothers nobody and it's uh it's like it goes It goes back to decades and and centuries of just breeding masculinity and in some cases a lot of

Michael Sartaincases toxic masculinity but it's just like as soon as a woman does something that's such thing no such thing as toxic masculinity no such thing there are toxic people and those toxic people can be masculine or feminine but when the man pulls you out of your burning

Michael Sartainbuilding you don't give a how masculine he is he there's no two masculine men masculinity is masculinity femininity is feminine there is such thing as toxic masculine there is no

Michael Sartaintoxic masculinity was a term created in the 1990s when psychologists were trying to study violent offenders in prison when guys would step on each other's toes and then they would start stabbing each other it was just a term that was

Michael Sartainused by those psychiatrists to to determine a type of behavior where men would resort to extreme levels of violence for no reason and then somehow mainstream psychology got a hold of it and became this pop term there is no

Michael Sartainsuch thing as toxic masculinity there is just masculinity and then there are some people who are toxic that has nothing to do with each other I can show you tons of people who are extremely toxic online and some of them are masculine and some are feminine but the two are mutually

Michael Sartainexclusive the idea of toxic masculinity is to shame men for doing things that other people don't agree with there is there's no such thing as toxic masculinity

Eileenamaybe the word might not be using the right word but there is it doesn't matter like it's a man's world at the end of the day it really is and men are socially acceptable it's acceptable for a man to like have sex with so many

Kellywomen but as soon as it's a woman doing that it's like crazy well it does it does go back to biology well because the reason why that it's it's it's socially acceptable and men get so much praise

Kellyfor it is because it's a lot harder for a man to get laid than a woman so when a woman a woman can 10 out of 10 most most of the time a woman will get laid 10 out of 10. a man is not going to be 10 out

Eileenaof 10. so it has to work a lot harder to have sex I don't give a yeah they have to work a lot harder it is what it is like it is it's okay for a man to have sex with whoever have one night stands do whatever okay I mean the Catholic Church would say that it's not

Eileenaokay also rapes kids so what are we talking about here

Michael Sartainthe Protestant Church would have a problem with it okay the there's a bunch of places that would have a problem it wasn't like to be like you know like here let's let's stay focused we were

Brian Atlastalking about the uh we were talking about like a girl who's slept with 30 dudes first date then you as the relationship guy come along and then she wants to make you wait three months kind of ridiculous I know I I remember in I

Brian Atlasthink this was must have been six months ago I was on a date with a girl she was in her 30s you know she's probably I didn't ask for body count but let's you know probably 10 20 30 plus whatever um she had told me you know we were

Brian Atlastalking about past relationships she said that the last guy she dated she'd been dating him for one or two years she was like oh yeah actually the way we met is I was staying at this Airbnb and then like I check in and then like literally

Brian Atlasthe night I move in like we I'm like okay cool and then like you know I was uh you know whatever we were on a date and um she was into me

Brian Atlasand then like we were hanging out but uh she was like oh no I think uh I think we're I kind of want to like wait you know I think a lot of women and like

Brian Atlasbro it's it's like it's like look that's your call but like this your last relationship that was a long-term relationship so it wasn't evidence of like oh it's just a one-night stand and it's like I'm gonna

Brian Atlaslook at that I'm gonna be like I actually no longer want a relationship with a girl like I I not because you're you're playing a game because it's not your genuine standard it's just like either I either think one of two things

Brian AtlasI think like you're playing you're playing a game with me you're using sex as leverage to secure a relationship no right resources not even a relationship just attention

Brian Atlasyou're using it as leverage or I just I honestly the thing that strikes me is you're just not that into me because like yeah I want that you know this is Rolo's thing genuine burning

Brian Atlasdesire shout out to Mossy by the rational mail uh like if all your previous relationships like you had this one standard if all your previous

Brian Atlasrelationships your standard was hmm okay I'm gonna wait four dates that's fair I I get that but you just a guy two weeks ago and now you want me to wait

Brian Atlastwo months like get the like again it's your call but I'm like I'm just I'm like okay she's not she's either not into me or she's like basically playing a game so then at that point I've just

Brian Atlaslost interest what game do you think she's playing she's using sex as leverage and like I don't if because it's not a genuine standard of hers because if two months ago you a guy immediately then it's not a genuine

Mia Lynnstandard you have when it comes to yourself for you would you think differently if like she had like lived one way in her past but like had it created a new standard for herself like going forward that's not what's going on in the situation though but that's yeah

Brian Atlasthat's not what's going on like if if like for the past five years like that's been her new standard she had some wild times in college even then that's not that's not ideal um because as me and Mike were saying

Brian Atlasand a couple other people were saying like obviously body count matters but um strictly from a behavioral sense uh yeah not not great but it's more understandable if like she's changed but right right

Michael Sartainokay guys by the way literally everything we're saying it comes down to do you find someone who accepts those things you're right if you say if a guy doesn't care that I had multiple bodies that's fine I'm just telling you most high status men are not going to behave

Rosanna Pfeifferthat way it's just a function of of Statistics that's it oh she was you're saying something oh I think if I'm understanding correctly it's less that you're saying that it's you know

Rosanna Pfeifferyou're not judging somebody for you know sleeping with someone like on the first aid or fourth day or whatever it's just like from man's standpoint does it make sense well it's it's the fact that you're

Michael Sartainholding the standard to to just him and not everybody else that you've had these people had an epiphany and now you've gotten right with God and now you go to your yoga class and your third chakra is

Michael Sartainopen and now you've decided you make men wait when all the other men didn't that's fine if you believe that I'm just not gonna sit around and wait for that that sounds ridiculous it kind of oh sorry I didn't mean yeah I mean it kind

Brian Atlasof makes the guy who you're making weight feel a little scammed like it's not like a genuine thing that like a genuine standard that you actually have I don't know it's like

Brian Atlasyou read some in the magazine oh you should make guys wait oh let me try it and then like I don't know it's just kind of there's a lot of stuff out there that's something you should make guys right yeah that's it's easy for um women to be messing around with

Audinon-quality guys for so long that when they do get equality that's like you say they try to find any which way to hold on and they don't actually have rational or real reason real ways to actually do that they just make up ways I slept with

Mia Lynnmy boyfriend the first night and he's a quality man so yeah well would you believe would you believe that that girl that like um you know that you're just mentioning if she said that like like she screwed

Mia Lynnthat guy but like she wanted you to wait because like she didn't want you to think like lesser of her like she really like wanted to take it slow with you have that conversation I can explain to her that's nonsense I'm actually curious well my personal

Brian Atlasview is and look there are certainly men out there who if they will judge a woman if that woman sleeps with them too quickly my personal view is while that could potentially be an indicator for example promiscuity I don't think it's

Brian Atlasnecessarily like if a woman sleeps with you quickly it doesn't necessarily mean that she's slept with a bunch of men or she's promiscuous um so so I have a question me personally all of my long-term relationships that

Brian Atlasmany of them have been really wonderful relationships with great girls almost all of them within the first three dates okay yeah I was one girl on the second day one girl on the first day

Brian Atlasone some guys are like okay if she gives it up too quick then she's for the streets that's not mine that's not my view but some guys do have that view I get confused as a woman sometimes like really like grappling with this because it's like you don't

Mia Lynnwant to give it up too quickly because you don't want the guy to think that you're a hoe but then if you really like the guy like it's kind of like a what do I do like how is he gonna view me sort of thing yeah well which is what you're saying is like you're not being genuine

Brian Atlasto your standard like you're kind of like fixing it based off of like the dude and at least for me personally um like if if I sleep with a girl I me personally I have and maybe I'm an outlier in this I have no interest in

Brian Atlassleeping with a girl once to me it's just a waste of time like if I sleep with a girl I want there to be a continuity maybe maybe we only hang out three or four times but like I I do genuinely want to at least try to pursue

Brian Atlassomething I I'm not interested in one night stand it's not worth my time I I view this as a waste of time um and also just even if your motivation was purely sexual or excuse me even if

Brian Atlasyour motivation was purely just to get sex I actually think that uh first off having the first time you have sex with someone really I I personally don't think it's going to be the best yeah I think sex is better like the more you

Brian Atlasthe more times you've got sex with them um you know so one just on the purely physical level you know what they like they know what you like there you build a comfort so I think that makes the sex

Brian Atlasbetter but uh me personally yeah I'm not interested in one night stands uh I do if I sleep with a girl I'd want to continue sleeping with her and uh so would you disavow like uh like you know like the fresh and fit idea of like

Mia Lynnrecreational use versus like relationship use for a woman you know what I mean well there's signs that you would see that would tell you this girl has red flags but one of those signs would be sleeping with somebody on the first date no they just said that it's

Brian Atlasnot considered I'm not sure I'm not sure I don't want to speak on behalf of them because I don't I I haven't been keeping tabs specifically on what their talking points are um but uh

Michael Sartainwhat so what was the basically the idea is that it's a red flag if she sleeps with you on the first date I mean that's some guy's opinions that's a good way to say too like um if you'd be trying to be a a value woman if

Michael Sartainyou want to look out for what men are looking for right right so too many of my friends that are married married couples and they slept together on the first date like I just know too many of them there's so much attraction the reason they just did it so like I don't know I don't know what like the right

Michael Sartainanswer is there but I think the thing we're saying is uh by the way if you can find someone to to believe in whatever your standard is then you can get away with anything you want right but in this case if you consistently sleep with guys

Michael Sartainon the first date and then you make one this last guy wait the thing is I it's dudes know everything now I'm sorry ladies like there's this digital footprint that you have you think you're gonna get away with it just do it's not

Eileenathat you can't keep a secret it's that dudes run their mouth about how many girls they've and they're gonna tell it just depends if you're honest or not like I'm personally honest like if someone was to ask me like what's up like hey what is your sexual

Eileenahistory I'd be like it's this you know and then we all decide we can decide together that so it's like that would only happen to like sneaking around or finding out if the person's not honest and then it just goes back to that person's character and who they are I

Andreadon't understand you guys are talking when you meet someone and you're saying okay how many people people in your past have you slept with on the first yeah that conversation yeah like I don't understand I would never talk to someone like that I don't think you know but but

Andreasomeone might find out about you yeah but maybe one guy you maybe find out one guy that you know like a mutual friend that oh yeah you know she slept with me on the first date but you don't know I just see because the Advent of social

Michael Sartainmedia I found like I without even trying I know what a bunch of girls have done because dudes just run their mouth yeah dude dudes run their mouth man they run their mouth so much yeah just just one

Brian Atlaslast thing on this point and then we do need to get to a couple of chats here um I so if she's had sex with men more easily in the past and you harder now so she makes you wait there's this net and I

Brian Atlaskind of already touched on this there's a natural gut reaction that the current guy or you is less sexually desirable to her than her previous Partners so if she had sex with him faster

Brian Atlasshe must this may not be the case but that's what a guy might think that she's just not that attracted to you yeah and she sees you as like provider like safety safety net and like that's not

Michael Sartainhow a guy wants to feel so they don't want to be a desire in my coaching program we use the opposite like Brandon cartery I did an interview with him and and he was like he said he got stood up by a girl one time and he asked himself

Michael Sartainhe goes which is would she have stood Drake up she wouldn't have stood Drake up and then that made him go to the gym more and made him make more money now the dude is just wearing like your 400 000 worth of watches on with his you

Michael Sartainknow his G wagon and his like these dude he doesn't get stood up no more exactly so in his mind he was like would she have stood Drake up that's what she said he would say that in his head when he'd go to the gym and so because of that

Michael Sartainthat motivated him and now you know the dude is like he's a huge baller and because of that so I think you guys understand that's a that jealousy motivation uh it's a sexual motivation that Napoleon Hill talks about at the

Michael Sartainend of Think and Grow Rich that thing or in evolutionary psychology and access to higher sexual selection and more resources that or a higher sexual status those things are what motivate a man to become a billionaire that's what

Michael Sartainmotivates a man to work really hard that that's essentially what happens these Great Men you think about Steve Jobs he the dude was running through supermodels thinking about the Elon Musk how many different women does he have kids with you know you think about these things

Michael Sartainlike even Albert Einstein leaves his wife to go start sleeping with his cousin like all this stuff happens you just don't you just don't realize these men are so motivated by this about would she it goes back to what Brandon said

Brian Atlasand I loved it it was just like dude would she have said would she have stood Drake up and the answer is no then I need to be better all right we have Ronnie here thank you man hey Brian Ronnie again keep up the good work that Priya Jackson is cute even when annoyed LOL Brian we speak on DM I'm the one

Brian Atlaswith over 600k followers not that the matters would really like to see a pod with Michael and Destiny uh hey Ronnie thank you very much uh can you bump your just send an Instagram DM saying your

Brian AtlasRonnie C just so I I get like 100 DMs a couple hundred DMS a week so it's pretty hard to keep on top of uh a pod with Michael and Destiny we were trying to actually get Destiny on tonight but um I guess some some things came out

Brian Atlasyeah he's he's gonna be here on Thursday we just we just missed each other yeah me and Destiny were texting earlier today all right let's get some other super chats here okay guys get your super chats in we are going to try to uh once we get through the soup chats and get through a few other things we are

Brian Atlasgoing to try to wrap up so get your soup chats in uh Stifler really quick ask everyone to write their looks on a schedule of one to ten okay we'll start with you go ahead yeah right your physical looks on the scale of one to ten so you can't be like

Eileenaall my my personality I'm going to I'm a 10 out of 10. they'd be calling me Alicia Keys on there frankly welfare Alicia Keys but that's okay

EileenaI'm a dancer the Fallen song here just try that no that's right come on no do it do it this is

Andrea8 out of ten okay 6.5 11.

Rosanna PfeifferI'm gonna say what I said on the last podcast I am a buffalo 10. what what is a buffalo town from Buffalo New York

Brian Atlasjust think about it I probably I would agree what are you

Michael Sartain[Laughter]

Mia Lynnthat's a different question uh seven with makeup five without well I was gonna ask you like which state are we talking about California New York just in general or forget this State

Mia Lynnstuff it's relative though it's true in California

Michael Sartainokay globally I'm like a six okay eight I would say a 6.57 oh Michael me yeah you it's ask everybody I can read and

Michael Sartainso I guess I'm a six or seven Pokemon I got a college degree

Michael SartainI pay a lot of taxes oh uh on my looks I'm six or five yeah okay I'll get my yeah I give myself a six um so you two are 10 and 11. you're off the scale I

Eileenaguess oh yeah no off the scale off the charts what you know about it [Laughter]

Priyayou're saying how people view me yeah we're talking about the whole world I'm not going to be everybody's type you know what I mean that's the whole point though is that even even 10 out of 10s are not going to be everybody's type

Priyayeah but there is an objective standard of beauty and of course everyone is beautiful on their own right but there is an objective standard of beauty whether people want to admit it or not yeah I understand it is

Kellylike that 10 out of we're talking about a scale so who would you say is a 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10 is perfect but I didn't know 10 men perfect the question was to rate yourself on a scale

Andaza1 to 10 10 out of 10 is 100 perfect there's not one person that's not what it said though if we're playing baseball no one's perfect we're all in perfect so that's almost irrelevant yourself one out of ten so it should be like a one out of eight then it says

Priyawell no there are studies about uh like the objective standard of Beauty has to do with like symmetrical face like facial features and stuff like that there there's I'm not super over well versed on the study but they're actually

Michael Sartaincultural I am no the it's so here's the thing in uh again 37 culture studied by Dr David Buss and all those cultures men found that signs of symmetry signs of

Michael SartainYouth um and then a certain hip to waist ratio which is like 0.72 those are the things that they found uh more attractive in all culture cultures women preferred men who were taller than them and women preferred were more interested

Michael Sartainin resource acquisition than when than men were like a hot like 100 more like two to one uh and then men were more interested in short-term sexual partners and had certain

Brian Atlasum they found certain signs of beauty to be pretty much ubiquitous wait question for you too do you guys think that all women should be tens or should view themselves of course

Brian Atlasquestions are all are all men tense no no no no oh my God

Andazaif they feel they are then they should feel that way but do you think all men are tens rate them um

Priyaso so okay I I completely understand where you guys are coming from of course it comes from a level of confidence that you see yourself as a 10 and everyone should be confident in how they look and

Priyahow they present themselves of course but confidence is not they will like me confidence is I will be okay even if they don't like it yeah oh absolutely of course you have to accept the fact that you're not going to be everybody's type but you also

Priyaexactly and that's great but it's it's not a bad or negative thing to understand where you realistically fall on set scale but like right yeah

EileenaI'm still saying what I said like I'm still gonna consider myself at that love story like if you guys consider yourselves fives four or six that's you like that's you that's how you really

Eileenareceive yourself because that's how you perceive other people's perspectives

Mallorymakeup I'm decent can I ask a question so as far as intelligence you could easily say

Malloryso in terms of intelligence you wouldn't rate yourself a 10 out of 10 intelligence wrong right out of 10 out of 10 intelligence like well like they okay well I have great energy I'm a 10. not the energy

Mallorymy chakras are open I'm a 10. if you're rating yourself an intelligence you are actually a 10 out of 10. this is all talk about looks we're talking about how do I say comparatively it looks can

Brian Atlaslike you can say wait is okay question for the panel is lizzo a 10 no no no no she feels like she's a 10. don't back down now yeah yeah I didn't say no okay

Andazaso she lives into the mic please if you feel she's a 10 that's true nice how do we feel about ourselves

Michael Sartainyou know what's so crazy we can't do that he I I he can't just say you guys are all 10. he can't just say hey you know what I have more subs than Mr Beast you should come on my show he can't do that

TTS ReaderI can't just say hey you know what that Bugatti over there that's mine apologize too much confidence true absolutely true thank you Bender the offender keep going keep going yeah like I can't just go go

Michael Sartainto the Staple Center and be like hey I'm starting at small forward for the Lakers today I can't just say that because I feel like that as men we are totally every single moment of every day we are judging our performance the world

Michael Sartainis constantly telling us no who we can't date what we can't live what athletic ability we don't have we're constantly be this idea but this but this idea like this idea that I could just make up my

Michael Sartainown value is absurd I have X number of dollars in my bank account X number of Subs on my YouTube channel these are defined my abilities are defined how much I can bench press is defined all

Michael Sartainthe stuff we do there is no way for us to just make up some number in our head and say I'm a 10 because I feel I have great energy it must be great to be able to do that because we can't do

Mia Lynnthat why not why so hard for y'all no I totally get what you're saying because like there's an objective standard of beauty and specifically in

Mia LynnWestern culture that's like a eurocentric like standard of beauty and like you either like zero Center I feel like we got another next question because

Rosanna Pfeifferwe we so sad y'all said what you say the next question the last thing I wanted to say communication because I think when you guys said how do you rate yourself

Brian Atlasnot from other people's perspective one thing I'll address sorry would would any of you like to revise your answers I have some makeup

Brian Atlasanybody I mean I'll take one because I need someone

Rosanna Pfeifferokay so so wait what were you saying what was your question I think I just keep hearing miscommunication because I I think when you said how do you guys rate yourselves

Rosanna Pfeiffercertain people here like took it as how do I rate myself oh but maybe you should have said from other people's perspectives I mean that's that's a fair points that's a fair point however like how much money do you make if I say I

Brian Atlasmake a I make a billion dollars no I don't disagree it doesn't change the fact how like how much I actually make I'm just saying like trying to close the gap so with the revised questions should everyone

Mia Lynnno we should go to the next question for sure fundamental disagreement of whether or not beauty is objective or not I would never view myself as less than a 10.

Michael Sartainexactly like why would I do that why well yeah if I want to go box I should not get into the ring with Tyson because there's an objective difference in his

Michael Sartainskill set in mind that is like doesn't matter how I feel about myself but all we do as men is perform and then the word World tells us the greatest on our performance

Michael Sartainbut they also strength you are gonna say this and the thing is you want to know something else the world is going to validate your point of view because there's going to be endless I want you to rate your girlfriend for

Eileename uh rate your girlfriend my girlfriend is a 10. okay there you go yeah next question let's go to the next question that

Michael Sartainanswered everything we needed to know it's not subjective show a picture right now and I'll tell you

Eileenano that's good but like that's what I'm saying like if you have Amanda they're gonna say you're a 10 out of 10. oh that guy no I agree with you that's not this case no I saw her in person

Brian Atlasall right guys so we're gonna we do need to just time time wise we need to get through some super chats so we have and I apologize that we're getting to some of these much much later on the show yo

Brian AtlasJJ merci beaucoup for the uh for the uh why don't you guys figure that out after the show okay um Brian and Michael from both of your perspectives

Brian Atlasguys guys guys quiet please yo JJ thank you man uh I think for the Canadian 50. from both of your perspectives I'd like to know if this community another like-minded podcast commit a

Brian Atlasnaturalistic fallacy in their thinking and ideology namely that that was is that was is natural is intrinsically good

Brian Atlasdiscussion no I mean it makes it makes sense but I don't think this is a type of podcast for that kind of question commit a naturalistic fallacy and

Brian Atlasthey're thinking an ideology namely that what is natural is intrinsically yeah no so this is a fundamentality brief on this it's a fundamental question in evolutionary psychology what is intrinsic or what is heritable is what

Michael Sartainis what's good yeah so you can make that like argument girls who sleep around are maybe naturally doing that no or men that are sleeping around or doing it naturally but we're not saying it so again this is it no this what he's saying is exactly like it's the it's Dr

Michael Sartainbus said this when he went on Joe Rogan uh it just because men are more likely my highest status men who have more options are more likely to cheat doesn't mean cheating good so therefore natural is it is is it natural for high status

Michael Sartainmen to have more sexual partners the answer is yes but does it make it good no it does not make it intrinsically good there are so many if you guys go on uh Tick Tock right now there's so many videos where these these women on Tick

Michael SartainTock are grilling me because I bring up this one stat 83 of women who cheat in a marriage fall in love with their Affair partner oh absolutely right it's like 29 for men because women don't cheat for

Michael Sartainsex yeah but but me saying that they believe I've just Justified men cheating because I say that it's work because it is where it is objectively worse on average when a woman cheats in a relationship than when a man shoots in a

Michael Sartainrelationship for the relationship a man can cheat in a relationship and you can repair it if a woman cheats in a relationship I'm sorry it is extremely difficult to to repair now you guys say that but me saying that is a double

Michael Sartainstandard and therefore I get grilled on Tick Tock because people hear what I said I did not say it was good I just read statistics you're arguing with you're arguing with math you're gonna get morally neutral but it depends on

Michael Sartainwho you are the point is when I make that statement then all of a sudden people are like he's just justifying cheating no I'm not because you don't understand the difference between what is and what ought evolutionary psychology which by the way all of this

Michael Sartainmanosphere red pill stuff is based off of evolutionary psychology is about what is not what ought and so people don't understand the difference and that's what that question is basically asking well there's also a difference between

Priyahow men value sex and how women Val or at least ought to and biologically should be valuing sex yeah I mean for us it's like a function

Priyaof loyalty too like a woman absolutely and and men can emotionally detach themselves from sex what in a way that women are not able to what happened what does she live there's nobody in the

Brian Atlasbathroom hello wait what okay I don't okay um here let's get through these chats okay hold on uh no we already did this one okay I had the Baghdad one can you read

Andazathat one hold on um [Music] what that was reading the drawing you got another content yeah

Brian AtlasI'm 35 years old living in Sacramento financially stable he's Asian Filipino if High matters I'm five foot eight physically fit and traveling not interested in commitment right now though oh that sounds incredible

Michael Sartainthat sounds incredible bro get some of that Filipino wiener and no commitment necessary no commitment necessary what an incredible way yes let's do that Alvin Sam shots fired okay yo Alvin

Brian Atlasthank you for the uh Super Chat man appreciate it are you down for are you down for impria here we go right now I think we did this one committed relationships for me okay we had uh we have a picture Yoko on the 19 I'm 32 six foot handsome 215 pounds great beard and

Brian AtlasTattoos I shave my head and make 40 50k a year the dating pool of women here is impossible right now or any wait the dating pool of women here in in what bro can you guys please

Michael Sartainspell check hey guys real quick it's called grammarly put your thing in grammar I say this every podcast you're paying us money make sure like you don't have to write it in YouTube write it on a notepad put it in grammarly copy and

Michael Sartainpaste into YouTube okay grammarly has a free view yeah I have I have enough of an issue stuttering he goes I'm from libtard USA just you know move to somewhere else move to San Diego

Brian AtlasCalifornia move this Tampa move to a place where there's lots of attractive women single for like eight years I'm not spoken okay got it um is he asking for you know he's shooting a shot

Michael Sartainyou're not being an outspoken conservative move to Orange County be an outspoken conservative they will be falling off you they'll be falling off you bro trust me they were doing those they were doing the the the the uh protests against the mask in Orange

Michael SartainCounty during the middle of the pandemic go to Orange County right now I promise you have no trouble meeting a beautiful woman there's that app for right Wingers yeah for sure for sure well there's there's a new thing there's a new thing however where liberal women are having

Priyatrouble meeting men and so the liberal women are having to date conservative men have you seen this there's some new articles about this yet because they they value masculinity and they want protection and a provider but they cannot find that in Liberal men so now

Mia Lynnthey're they're choosing conservative men yes that is the definition of why I had to make serious changes in my life of who I was dating and who I was spending my time there are actually a

Mia Lynnlot of rural men weren't a great deal or they were sweet compassionate kind and treated me beautifully but is that masculinity wasn't there there are a lot

Priyaof recent stuff I started dating conservative men yeah there are a lot of recent studies that are showing that um men that are like continuously physically fit tend to be more conservative as well as like on the

Michael Sartainattraction scale and the in the scale of um like financial success oh by the way the the hip to waist ratio for women the corollary was a 1.65 to 1 shoulder to

Michael Sartainwaist ratio in men and women report having more orgasms with men who have broader shoulders broader shoulders in comparison to their waist I'll show you all these things hold on come on okay all right we have Conan

Brian Atlashere uh Hey man thank you appreciate it uh I guess uh all right dual shot thank you man do you think a man should secure provide for a woman after he has achieved his goals

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