CAT FIGHT! Heated Debate About CHEATING?! | Dating Talk #87

Date: 2023-07-26

Duration: 5h 38m

Guests

Brian Atlas

EEileena (DT87)>

AAudi Drip (DT87)>

AAndrea (DT87)>

AAndaza (DT87)>

RRosanna Pfeiffer >

MMallory (DT87)>

MMia Lynn (DT87)>

MMichael Sartain >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_01TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Kelly(guest)

SPEAKER_03Rosanna Pfeiffer(guest)

SPEAKER_04Eileena(guest)

SPEAKER_05Mia Lynn(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andaza(guest)

SPEAKER_07Michael Sartain(guest)

SPEAKER_09TTS/Video Audio(audience)

SPEAKER_10Andrea(guest)

SPEAKER_11Audi(guest)

SPEAKER_12Priya(guest)

SPEAKER_13Mallory(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteMichael Sartain introduces himself: retired USAF captain, MOA founder, 45yo, hosts Michael Sartain Podcast and Access Vegas

“"my name is Michael Sartain I'm a retired US Air Force captain of little KC-135 uh as a navigator and I did special ops and I did counter Intel for a while and now I'm the founder of the men of action mentoring program... I'm 45"”

QuoteAndaza reveals she walked in on her boyfriend cheating and physically fought him and the other woman

“"There we go walked in on it walked in on it yeah... caught shorty on the corner so... he thought you're gonna be gone for a little while... yeah I ended up whooping her ass and then I moved to LA"”

QuoteMichael Sartain explains that removing birth control implant dramatically improved his girlfriend's personality and mood

“"she had the birth control thing taken out... totally different bro totally... the birth control thing makes bro... it's just so... it's a night and day"”

QuoteTikTok "bare minimum" dating standards video played — woman lists: be asked to be girlfriend, buy flowers monthly, always pick up/drop off, pay for everything

“"this is the bare minimum for dating me number one asked me to be his girlfriend... number two buys me flowers often... picks me up and drops me off... offers to pay for every activity and doesn't expect me to do 50 50"”

ControversyEileena attacks Mia Lynn's credibility as a dating coach, calling her a "26-year-old relationship TikTok Guru giving men advice with two men in her bed"

“"This is all coming from a 26 year old relationship Tick Tock Guru giving men advice of two men in her bed"”

ControversyMia Lynn tells Eileena "I don't care" and defends her right to give dating advice based on relationship experience

“"in my bed did you not listen to me say that I'm platonic... listen to me say I don't care"”

QuoteMichael Sartain presents stat that average US male height is 5'9" and only ~14% of men are over 6ft

“"the number of men the percentage of men over six feet tall... four percent... it's crazy... five nine yeah... the number of men... 14 percent over six feet tall"”

QuoteBrian asks panel to rate their physical looks 1-10; Eileena and Audi declare themselves 10+/off-the-scale

“"ask everyone to write their looks on a schedule of one to ten so you can't be like all my my personality I'm going to I'm a 10 out of 10... they'd be calling me Alicia Keys on there"”

QuoteBrian explains he sometimes does not pay on first dates as a screening tool and principle (does not want to feel like a sucker)

“"there are women that will string you along... keep securing attention... you'll pay for her... I'm not going to pay so when someone's your girlfriend then I will fall into... if you're committed to me then I will"”

QuoteMia Lynn reveals her body count is 11 (including kissing and penetrative sex)

“"I include like people in my body count that have like kissed penetrative sex 11 people 11 people"”

QuoteMia Lynn recounts a date with a diplomat's son who used his dead father as a reason to sleep with her

“"he was like um you want to go back to my place and I was like uh no I think I'm just gonna go home and he was like but my dad but my dad died and I was like oh... that is like the last thing you want to say to a girl"”

QuoteMichael Sartain announces Thursday charity event in LA — Babes and Toyland for troops overseas

“"I'm hosting a charity event in Los Angeles on Thursday it's a babes and Toyland we do one every year for animal rescue... this one's gonna be for troops overseas"”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Show Announcements

Brian opens show, plugs streamlabs/Twitch/merch/BLM nonprofit/clips channels. Guests introduce themselves in order: Eileena (bartender, 24), Audi/Audi Drip (fashion designer/musician, 22), Andrea (content creator/OnlyFans, 31, Quebec Canada), Andaza (hair model/social media, 23), Rosanna Pfeiffer (nurse practitioner/model/actress, 34, Buffalo NY), Mallory (content creator/marketing, 27), Mia Lynn (internet personality/PhD student, 26, Brooklyn), Kelly (student/personal stylist, 21), Michael Sartain (MOA founder/USAF/podcast host, 45), Priya (ASU student/equestrian, 22).

Relationship Status Round

Full round of relationship statuses. Eileena: single, never had official relationship, one 4yr situationship. Audi: single since 18, career-focused, had a poly house situation at 19. Andrea: divorced after 2-year marriage, happy being single. Andaza: newly single (2 months) after cheating incident — walked in on boyfriend, fought the other woman. Rosanna: 2-year relationship. Mallory: in relationship with her Tinder match's best friend. Mia Lynn: dating two men platonically/non-exclusively (one Catholic church guy, one 22yo from Williamsburg/AZ). Kelly: 1yr 7mo relationship. Michael Sartain: relationship since Oct prior year (girlfriend 24 years younger, 21yo; met at Mexico bikini pageant). Priya: single ~1 year, on show ~3-4 weeks prior, no new developments.

Andaza's Cheating Story & Catfight Debate

Andaza tells story of walking in on boyfriend with another woman. Debate erupts over whether to fight the other woman (Andaza: yes, did it) vs. walking away (Mia Lynn, Mallory: walk away). Eileena defends fighting. Mia Lynn argues any physical violence is domestic violence. Show of hands on responses to catching partner cheating. Discussion of Texas historical law on killing spouse and lover in flagrante. Rosanna: walked in at 17 drunk at a club and reacted physically; says she would not do that now. Brian moderates, discusses provocation limits.

TikTok "Bare Minimum" Dating Standards Video Reaction

Brian plays a TikTok video of a woman listing her bare minimum dating standards: be asked to be girlfriend, buy flowers monthly, always pick up/drop off, pay for everything, no 50/50. Panel debates whether standards are too high. Eileena: not too high. Audi: standards OK but you can't cherry-pick traits. Andrea: agrees with some (not flowers, not driving). Michael Sartain: attraction precedes standards; all items are "comfort-building" not attraction-building. Follow-up clip shows what she brings to table ("peace and energy"). Discussion of what men bring vs. what women bring.

Eileena vs. Mia Lynn Clash — Dating Coach Credentials

Eileena attacks Mia Lynn's credibility as a dating advisor for men given she is not in a relationship herself ("26-year-old relationship TikTok Guru giving men advice of two men in her bed"). Mia Lynn defends herself: she has been in relationships, has grown through them, and advises from experience. Kelly also questioned Mia earlier at ~0:32. Mia tells Eileena to not interrupt her. Tension between them continues through episode.

Jonah Hill / Relationship Boundaries Debate

Discussion of Jonah Hill's leaked texts to ex-girlfriend about her surfing in bikini. Michael Sartain defends Hill's right to set boundaries and argues the ex was the real wrongdoer (released messages after Hill had a baby with someone else). Brian: Hill was manipulative. Debate on whether surfers wear bikinis (Brian/Sartain disagree). Discussion of whether a partner can reasonably ask the other not to post in bikinis. Mia Lynn: boundaries are OK as long as not controlling.

Red Pill / Evolutionary Psychology Discussion

Michael Sartain leads extended discussion on Dr. David Buss's 37-culture evolutionary psychology study. Topics: hypergamy, body count and pair bonding, high status vs. low status men (Sartain: they are functionally different species), why men cheat (high status men have options), women's attraction vs. comfort distinction, oxytocin bonding and body count effects on women, naturalistic fallacy (what is natural ≠ what is good). Mia Lynn and Rosanna contribute neuroscience on oxytocin/vasopressin. Discussion of Genghis Khan Y chromosome, women waiting at the finish line (Rich Cooper quote).

Women's Standards & the "Delusion Gap"

Michael Sartain presents statistics: top 1% income is ~$615K/year (most women guessed $150-400K); average US male height is 5'9"; only ~14% of men are over 6 feet tall. Discussion of women's unrealistic standards driven by exposure to high-status men (VIP hosts, bottle service). Discussion of birth control (hormonal implant removal improving girlfriend's personality). Priya and Priya discuss natural cycles tracking (fertility awareness method). Brian and Sartain discuss never paying for girls at clubs who can't afford high dates.

Self-Ratings Round

Guests rate their physical looks 1-10. Eileena: 10+/off-the-scale. Audi: 10+/off-the-scale. Andrea: 8. Rosanna: "buffalo 10" (best in Buffalo). Mia Lynn: 7 with makeup / 5 without. Michael Sartain: 6-7. Priya: declined/unclear. Discussion devolves into debate about whether beauty is objective or subjective. Brian: objective standard exists. Mia and Eileena: refuse to rate below 10. Michael Sartain: men cannot just declare value, they must earn it. Long philosophical debate on objective vs. subjective beauty standards.

Dating & First Dates — Who Pays?

Brian reveals he sometimes doesn't pay on first dates as a matter of principle and screening (low-interest women will be filtered out). Michael Sartain recommends always paying to minimize anxiety and show value. Mallory: he who asked should pay, she goes 50/50 unless overly impressed. Andrea: does the "fake reach" but hopes man pays; would hold it against a man who counts dimes. Mia Lynn: impartial, every man she's dated has paid. Rosanna: wants someone responsive and funny. Discussion of foodie calls and women who string men along. Audi: if she asked him out she would pay. Debate on whether fake-reach is entrapment.

Body Count Discussion

Brian asks body counts. Mia Lynn: 11 (includes kissing + penetrative). Andrea: 10+ (doesn't keep track, plus-or-minus 10, more than that, doesn't know). Andaza and others did not disclose clearly. Michael Sartain declines ("man of God"). Brian declines. Extended debate on whether body count matters. Michael Sartain: sticker analogy (bonding degrades after repeated partners). Rosanna: no objection to men caring, though she doesn't ask men's counts. Show of hands: most women do not object to men caring about body count. Discussion of triple-digit body count as deal-breaker (most said yes at triple digits). Sartain cites 83% of women who cheat fall in love with affair partner vs. 29% for men.

Ideal Partner Types & Preferences

Round of physical and personality preferences in a partner. Andaza: men with dreads/locks, looks hard but soft personality. Rosanna: conscientious, cares about health, creative, responsive, intelligent, funny. Mallory: 6ft+ (not required), broad shoulders, dark and handsome, ambitious, gamer-type, no race preference. Mia Lynn: slightly older (10-15 yrs), white men mostly; also dating a 22yo (cougar moment). Michael Sartain: Vegas-type body (tight, cocktail server), boob jobs OK, long hair, green/blue eyes, not deal-breakers. Mia Lynn shares story of diplomat's son who used his dead father as a move. Brian: prefers short women (4'10"-4'11"), calm/introverted, natural, no surgery, low body count, soft voice, slight preference dark hair and blue/green eyes, parents made her do violin or cello.

Closing — Announcements & Wrap

Brian announces next show: Thursday special debate edition — Destiny vs. mystery guest on mystery topic (3:30pm Pacific). Then back to Dating Talk next Sunday 7pm Pacific. Michael Sartain announces Thursday charity event in LA (Babes and Toyland for troops overseas). Brian explains issue with Karen downstairs neighbor complaining about noise. Thanks guests; asks everyone to exit quietly due to neighbor complaint. Show ends.

Transcript

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Michael Sartainnow have to hear about your beautiful horses you now have two suitors tonight um do you guys remember before when you guys are like well women have to change

Michael Sartainno the they don't no they don't I think I think they should but don't don't point this out to me and tell me women have to change because in the short term what will happen is they can all I have uh we had a girl on the show

Michael Sartainthe other day these girls did porn uh had two kids with a dude still films with other guys comes home to her husband who like allows this whole thing to happen no you can find a dude you just probably aren't gonna like him very

Michael Sartainmuch there's so many what are called uh not Superfluous what's the word um Surplus man that's what Dr Richard Reeves calls them there's so many Surplus men out there because they aren't taking the time to Garner the

Michael Sartainabundance in their life and once they have that abundance and that they can set the boundaries that they want and when they have those boundaries then they will if someone cheated on them they would say okay uh you cheated whatever I'm gonna move on to someone else I'm not gonna go back to this

Michael Sartainbecause I understand what my boundaries are right they're not going to take a job that's going to abuse them they're not going to be with a woman who doesn't treat them the way that they want to be treated but that's what a high status man would do a low status man is not going to do that low status man is going

Brian Atlasto chase he's going to do everything he can he doesn't have the ability to cheat um Priya so you have Ronnie C and sticky side down now so there's like a I think there's going to be a bidding war when

Brian Atlasit comes to your two suitors uh so he wanted me to tell you about that time that I saved him oh he's excuse me he saved me from various wild

Brian Atlasanimals so yes um Sticky Side down didn't there's there's various stories he saved me from a bear a tiger and a monkey no it's a hybrid at the same time oh excuse me it was a hybrid somehow Chimera ooh Chimera

Brian Atlasgood work good work it was in Pasadena's for some reason I don't know what was going on some weird shit's going on they can all have a baby

Brian Atlasthank you very much okay so uh I'm trying to recall where we were uh I I just want to make sure we address all of these chats that came through so the previous one was from Mr Average Joe and

Brian Atlashe says can you ask the guests what they believe a man and a woman should bring into a relationship and ideally if the man or the woman should bring more to the table

Brian Atlasbringing more to more believe a man and a woman should bring into a relationship uh we can do one of those so if or the woman should okay so what do you think

Eileenaa man brings to the table what do you think a woman brings to the table should bring it to the table I mean I feel like it's in the basis of things it

Eileenashould be like the same thing like communication loyalty uh genuine love you know those should be both between both people and then like

Eileenaum supportive Partners you know like it should just be both in the same with the basis of it uh which is I'm not sure if they're asking for like the basis or anything but it should just be both ways for the sake of time I think I need to

Audilimit the question a little bit because I'm gonna I'm gonna Average Joe if you don't if you don't object what do you bring to the table go ahead I could cook and I like to be um

Eileenasomebody to be at the house I'd be very traditional in that way okay and we'll come back to you then we'll continue going around what do you bring to the table oh um

EileenaI um I think I'm not looking for a relationship right now I'm working on myself and so I can be able to be like this is what I bring to the table I'm still doing like my

Andreahealing and inner work to to know what that is exactly uh what I bring to well in our relationship besides you know respect communication whatever I just your personality right everyone's like

Andreadifferent I think I I like my personality and I'm fun and that's gonna click with someone that's what I bring to the table that's different from you know relationship obviously you're gonna meet your basic needs but um I'm a really good communicator so

Andazalike most of our problems will get solved so there will be no problems and we will be okay didn't you just beat the out of your life yes don't start there's no problem anymore and I solved the problem right yeah what is that

Michael Sartaindomestic abuse because they broke up that's all I'm saying it's not the best they broke up that wasn't his man that wasn't a man anymore that's all I'm saying it's not domestic it's abuse it's just not domestic because they're not together anymore

Rosanna Pfeifferthank you problem solved hey this um so I think the main thing is support like I'm very encouraging

Rosanna Pfeifferum and I just always like try to support the man that I'm with support okay what about you uh absolute equality you bring absolute equality we'll touch on that later okay what about you so the question is like what do I bring to the

Mia Lynntable to a man so like I'm sorry yes um one eternity later

Mia Lynnemotional intelligence nurturing like care I'm going towards my PhD in Psych so that could be helpful in the situation um PhD is what you would bring to the

Mia Lynntable in a relationship or you're given that it's going to be in Psychology I feel like I have the capacity for conflict resolution and to back down when I know that I'm wrong or to like admit fault and like what you said like

Brian Atlascommunication and um so wait do you want to be a therapist yeah yeah okay isn't it the case that a lot of therapists have their own like pretty severe issues

Brian Atlasyeah absolutely themselves yeah they usually are not particularly at least I don't know I've heard that therapists are not particularly great I wanted to be a therapist and I didn't because I was like I don't feel like I

Brian Atlasshould be also children raised by therapists I've heard is raised by two therapists yikes imagine the problems there um I'm kidding that's totally yeah

Mia Lynnokay so your PhD and you would be a good you would know how to I was saying I'm emotionally intelligent I'm a good conflict resolver I have the ability to back down I'm not that oh no you two

Mia Lynnalmost got into a fight earlier so well she's not someone I'm dating so that's very different she's not a man that I'm respecting in your PhD studies ever gone over I haven't um okay I haven't not like I'm

Mia Lynngetting this idea I'm going to be applying for this idea okay program soon so I'm in the interim I'm doing social media okay Kelly what do you bring to the table um I'm very caring and nurturing I'm going to be a good mother too whoever my

Kellyhusband will be um I'm emotionally available I'm open to listening to his problems and helping him solve them and yeah just overall caring

Michael Sartainjust want to be you know okay you just gotta be sweet and peaceful Mike what do you bring to the the table um so it's interesting because we were talking about this before about like what the boundaries were uh for a

Michael Sartainrelationship and I and I have these very clearly defined when I get into one for me the the thing that you're going to get is um uh you know obviously I am there to solve problems as a man I'm it a lot of times it's we I get into a

Michael Sartainsituation especially with Kylie where she wants to talk about the feelings and I'm like we have to solve the problem now so provisioning providing protecting that's what I do as a man and she has no question about that or ever worried about that at all um the other thing is um that I'm going

Michael Sartainto bring to a relationship is that I need to I'm always very open with people asking questions but this is a rule for two people in a relationship and I generally find that women break this rule more than men you can ask me how I

Michael Sartainfeel you cannot tell me how I feel that is a huge issue that I see where women are like you don't like me because you looked at this no no stop you can ask me how I feel you cannot tell me how I feel if you do

Michael Sartainthat you understand the boundaries of the relationship right and you're both pulling in the same direction that's what I need what I need from a partner I need peace I need her to pull in the same direction and I need her to understand what the boundaries are for me I'm in a poligenous relationship

Michael Sartainmeaning the two of us see women together so in that in that regard as long as we both understand the rules then that's the most important thing that uh that happens there but as far as what do I bring what I bring to the table it's pretty much everything like is that the

Michael Sartainend of the table no no I'm not I'm not saying I am the table but like there is nothing that she ever has to worry about literally has to worry about because uh she's my girlfriend and I tell her all the time she's like I want to go to this thing and I'm worried about getting in I'm like no you're my girlfriend you can

Priyaget in anywhere you want there's no issue you're in Las Vegas there's nothing you can't get get to or or get uh get with I'm going to answer the previous question if you don't mind uh what a man should bring to the relationship is being a protector a

Michael Sartainleader and a provider the woman should be a caregiver comfort and peace yeah the other thing is do you allow him to lead in certain situations where he

Michael Sartainneeds to lead again are you holding his hand while you're walking through a venue asking where are we going where are we going or do you trust him and no he knows where we're going or at the very minimum if he doesn't I'm not going to embarrass him in front of other people I'm gonna let him lead so that's

Kellythe point of like having a boyfriend that's like the best part is like going going anywhere and not having to worry about what you're doing like not having to literally not even have to worry about where I'm walking because he's going to keep me in jail yeah like my girlfriend and I last night were on stage with The Chainsmokers and it was

Michael Sartainlike one of these situations where she didn't have to ask any questions because she knew we were going to walk in there's going to be no questions asked whatsoever we're going to be on stage we're four feet away from them and she doesn't have to ask she knows I have everything taken care of that's why

Brian Atlasshe's my girlfriend that's why we're together sweet um here let's pull up the can you pull up the twitch really quick let's shout out people on Twitch guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever drop us a

Brian Atlasfollow in the prime sub if you have one twitch.tv slash whatever drop us a follow in Prime sub if you have one yo Roger thanks for the prime calp thing for the prime golden thing for the prime appreciate it thanks for all the follows guys we'll check back in here in a

Brian Atlaslittle bit and I'll give you guys some shout out thank you guys for all the all the viewers on Twitch I don't know if any of you are still here from stay safe but Matt thank you again for the raid okay we have a chat here from that guy

Brian Atlaspyros I make 80k a year drain cleaning by the way women flush feminine products down the drain and cost companies and communities Millions a year stop flushing your tampons please men do the

Brian Atlasjobs that make women comfortable yet they don't appreciate the men doing those don't flush your tampons that's what we take from it should be a gift there we go I did was not aware of that

Audinow I didn't know that when I was younger like 80 like 80 tampons no I guess you're right right because they soak up they soak up moisture okay that makes sense I understand this got it yeah don't do that actually you know

Brian Atlasit's funny our landlords at this building recently people been flushing their wet wipes and tampons and and it clogged there was a major in this building an explosion

Brian Atlasfrom uh yeah like some sort of explosion because I'll know exactly what it's called but yeah so like the water was off so ladies you got to be you know just you know be considerate throw that

Brian Atlasin the trash son okay thank you pyrus appreciate it uh we had Ronnie see here he had a question for the panel this he was also asking you for first aid Priya um question for the panel

Brian Atlaswhat's one thing that makes you happy okay um dancing what's the one thing that makes you happy what's the one thing okay

Eileenawe'll go sure we'll we'll ask that uh uh real dancing and comedy creating traveling

Priyamusic creating success playing the piano food raising money for charity my family and personal relationships okay cool

Brian Atlasgood times thank you Ronnie appreciate it we had uh the Josh one here uh the yeah did we did we address it something about the prawn oh he wants a nationwide

Brian AtlasBand Here a show of hands from from Josh here for the very generous TTS agree or disagree should there be a nationwide ban so yes raise your hand if you think porn should be banned

Eileenawe're talking about only fans are talking about porn categorized as some people's jobs I just don't know how that would work

Rosanna Pfeifferyeah I'm not sure nice idea Logistics like you know does anybody here create adult content I used to you do anybody anybody else oh okay

Brian Atlasjust you you're the only one here who does of yeah oh wow I'll do like full on but okay wow normally we our panels are a little more stacked with uh

Priyait's very accessible to Children any of them there's also a lot of um like hundreds of thousands of people are sex trafficked a year through that specific industry as well it's not a

Priyasafe industry regardless I know there's an argument for only fans but only fans is less regulated than um

Mallorystricter rules around prawn be better than just full wide band because then you're gonna have people who argue I think it's pretty bad for society I think it's a net or wrong for society I do not think that you want regulations

Priyaand not Freedom correct um well we you're the one that wanted a communist Society I don't necessarily I'm asking you the question because you're the one saying you want to ban porn sorry yeah but there's like so

Priyathere's there's scientific studies sorry that show that it destroys relationships it does a lot of damage to mental health it has a negative impact on your

Malloryhormones um no I can I can fully agree with your opinions of why you'd want to but then you're taking away people's freedom yeah I was saying like it's censorship you can't just like ban you don't make it we do have sensors

Brian Atlasnot viewable for certain people so you're taking away people's freedom to view something well yeah I don't think it's plausible in the US yeah not at all like I'm not I'm not I'm not making it I'm not making

Priyathe argument how it would be regulated I'm saying that in an Ideal World I don't think that it should exist I think it's a bad for society I'm not saying

Mia Lynnthat it's going to be banned or how to ban it is social media and negative for society yes absolutely only because we don't understand the

Mallorytotal ramifications of it and we're experiencing it on in real time so ban social media and banned porn or prawns sorry y'all should come over to my communist Nation I'll do all that for y'all

Brian Atlasthe thing I don't get about communism is what what is the incentive like if someone just wants to let's say you don't want to work I'm not super well versed in in this if you don't want to

Mallorywork are you compelled to work in a communist Society yes so communism or nationalism both want people to work so there's an incentive whether you get wages in communism uh it depends there's

Mallorydifferent like versions like what would be the incentive of like spending all that time and hard work to become a doctor versus just like a cast system this is why I don't fully agree with like pure communism because humans are flawed like they're gonna want more and

Mallorywant to succeed I'm a privy to that I want to succeed and become more so it's just kind of more regulation in reality but what's the incentive for someone who like to go and become a doctor if there's no Financial reward oh well

Mia Lynnthere would be like houses better houses you'd be in a part of society if you were a doctor don't you think you'd also find more altruistic doctors rather than doctors that are looking for a wage yeah I don't think you need altruistic doctors I think you need more doctors you

Mia Lynnbut as someone who is disabled and like has been in the hospital since I was a kid like I've dealt with over 140 different doctors including Specialists and general practitioners and like the people that changed my life the most are

Mia Lynnthe people that actually actively want to be there which I think is what you're referring if you give them the choice and then you have no livable wage that they'll actively choose to do that because they want to do that they want to be present but that is also

Michael Sartainachievable in under capitalism as well that's my boy by your testimony they still exist under capitalism I mean the reality situation is we need more people who are skilled to do these jobs and we

Michael Sartainincentivize those people to do it with money the the idea of using altruism to get people to be a doctor would be one to three percent of doctors the rest of us still need to have bone set and heart

Michael Sartaintransplants and we can't worry like and a lot of the guys who do those jobs are horrible horrible people who happen to be really great heart surgeons and so it doesn't make any difference if they're outro or not we need the guy who bills the building that you live in it

Michael Sartaindoesn't make any difference if this guy's a Christian or a Muslim a piece of or beats his wife if he he's productive member of society those are the houses we live in like in the end for us for us as men we have we are we

Michael Sartainhave the burden of performance all the time and so like I understand what you're saying wouldn't it be great if all doctors were altruistic I don't think it solves a problem that's too idealistic that's that's not what I'm saying what I'm I mean whatever let's move on let's move

Brian Atlason um let's pull up the video let's do the video do it oh you know I don't know Brent all right so just something there's we're reacting to a tick tock video however the girl

Brian Atlastook the tick tock video down it went viral um so Brett reacted to it so we're gonna watch a video from Brett where she plays the thing and then

Brian Atlasum Nick can you can I have you swap the camera angle so we talked about that

Brian Atlasyeah that one and then hide the other one yeah cool uh you can play it oh oh wait wait wait hold on hold on Boost the audio please it's not boosted no on the YouTube player on the YouTube player yeah boost it all the way nope yeah yeah

Unknownthere you go yeah I'm actually starting to get so scared like it's not even funny anymore how am I 23 and I still have not had my first kiss like like it's so horrifying and I was like 22 21 I was like haha it's kind of cute kind of quirky like

Unknownnot really but kind of like I could play it off now it's getting scary like I don't see it changing anytime soon and like I just keep getting older now it's gonna be so weird because I'm gonna be so old and I'm gonna have to tell

Unknownsomebody like yeah I've never done this before like I'm so humiliated I didn't even have a first kiss in like Middle School when everybody has one and it's like the awkward weird relationship where you're

TTS Readerdating them for like a day I never even did Castillo donated 100 shout out the legendary Michael Sartain

TTS Readerthank you in the house question for all the ladies how important is astrology thank you Ryan appreciate it uh yeah so

Michael Sartainyou know I can do this real quick hey ladies you guys know have you ever you know said hey I'm a Gemini and the guy's an Aries and you you kind of have like a Vibe about him that's ever happened to you has ever had that happen no no

Michael Sartainanybody no good because all that is fake all of it is fake all of it and then you guys I want to be taken seriously in the workplace but you still believe in Gemini a guy who has like a good vibe a good

Michael Sartainenergy you guys ever had that happen before all of that is fake none of that is real none of it is real humans do not humans do not emit energy they do not humans admit facial expressions

Michael Sartainwe can go down this road all day if you want humans do not emit energy humans humans have facial Elixir if you want to say energy energy is energy is a form of

Eileenauh you can feel your energy from right here

Michael Sartainnone of that is real none of it is real what happens is you you you react to someone's psychology and then you backwards rationalize and say he had a Vibe or good energy that none of that

Michael Sartainis real it is all a function of evolutionary psychology and uh that is all what it is I'm calling cap okay let's let's produce the evidence okay so

Michael Sartainyou've never like walked into a room and was like I don't really like the Vibes you have ancestors right I hope so right okay so your ancestors did they they

Michael Sartainprobably lived in a pre-modern society where they were living out as hunter-gatherers right you do believe in natural selection humans did come from you know deserts and forests and didn't live in society before like 11 000 700

Michael Sartainyears ago correct okay do you think that those humans it probably would have been beneficial to them to be like something's wrong here I need they don't have the scientific method they have no ability to detect anything they don't have night vision goggles they don't

Michael Sartainhave firearms animals it's Instinct that they had that that was developed through natural selection and the ones that were more cautious lived long and passed on that trait to their ancestors it is a function of evolution it is not a

Michael Sartainfunction there is no vibe there is no energy energy is a metaphor it's all Vibes humans humans do have what energy do they make explain explain like energies and everything no no no no

Michael Sartainyou're talking about neural chemical responses but there's no connection between you and me you're responding to the light that is reflecting off of these lights here and you're responding via your psychology there is no energy

Michael Sartaintransfer between human beings none unless you are coming in spirits do you believe in like that's a completely different thing that's energy though but but no no again the spirit thing is something you can believe in with faith

Michael Sartainbut not with evidence and as far as evidences can concerned there is no energy transfer between humans period I don't care what Joe dispenza told you none of that is true none of it if

Michael Sartainyou guys want to debate me on this we can but the the science will bury you there is no energy there are no Vibes none of this is real now if you want to if you want to say it like a metaphor sure you can say he had bad energy that's a that's a metaphor that's

Michael Sartainfine to say it as a metaphor energy is the capability to do work the things that you get between me do not Grant you or take decrease energy thank you Ronnie appreciate it only hear him five feet 11

TTS Readerinches you're my Prof baller slash entrepreneur

TTS Readertell me on the date F far my distracting ttsi would like to apologize to absolutely nobody God bless yes

Brian Atlasa chance to apologize absolutely nobody okay so hold on just a couple things here so we had uh let's see okay we had that come in Ronnie C thank you very much appreciate

Brian Atlasit what we should have done before uh Mike Sartain was cooking there uh we should have asked the girls if you before right if you believe in astrology um because now you guys may have just

Brian Atlasbeen backed the off or whatever the term is back the down uh show of hands who here believes in astrology and Jupiter Rising whatever the God

Andazayou're an Aries but I do think like yeah the day you were born the time you were born there was an energy such a great point so what they should do what they should do is they should

Michael Sartainrun a study and what they should do and they have learned a study in it convenient they took thousands of couples in the United Kingdom and they put them on speed dates and one of the things they did is they tried to relate whether or not the date made it to a

TTS Readersecond date based on their astrological side bend the offender to Native 99 yeah thank you energy definition the strength and vitality required for sustained physical or mental activity cool you

Michael Sartaindon't transfer that between humans all right going back so now what happened is they went and they looked at the correlation between whether or not these people worked out and what you should see is Sagittarius and Gemini don't work

Michael Sartainin Libra and whatever the do work and the correlation was Zero absolute totally positively zero there was no correlation between whether or not your relationship worked and whether or not

Audithere was a level of attraction and what your astrological sign was zero so hard it used to be about the universal language of mapping that's how we got around how we knew um time dates all of that but now it's about dating for some

Andazareason I don't think it's also valid because um like the calendar they're saying oh you're born this day you were this but they're saying that doesn't even line up because you know um July and August was

Michael Sartainadded to the calendar you know yeah up to the 15 uh the 15 the 1500s of the Julians that became the Gregorian college so it's like how are you saying

Brian Atlasthis let's move on okay yeah history lesson yeah it's okay all right okay all right um Priya while you were gone

TTS ReaderRonnie here in 5 feet 11 inches in the Prof baller slash entrepreneur don't simp but preview is quality you will Pro equestrian tell me on the date F far my

TTS Readerdistracting ttsi would like to apologize to absolutely nobody God bless all PS star signs don't matter LOL there you have it okay so he's five eleven uh

Brian AtlasRonnie is Ronnie sounding a little more appealing or what's the situation or whatever

Brian Atlashim in all right I'll contemplate it make content that's all that matters so long as you film it going back to uh the video that we're reacting to basically

Brian AtlasI'll just recap it um 23 23 year old woman claims to have never even had a first kiss I think she also claimed that she's never even been on the first date too so

Michael Sartainum thoughts on that I need a backstory is she the problem yeah well I imagine what she was saying before is like they're gonna say hey it's a good thing that you made it to 23. ladies one more time like

Michael Sartainthe issue is if she made it to 23 and never had sex with anyone right it doesn't it doesn't like count against her I just it just doesn't if anything I think it's a positive there's a 37 culture study by by Dr David Buss and they go over how each of these 37

Michael Sartaindifferent cultures view virginity and the one that viewed virginity the most strongest was Men in China at the time although those restrictions have loosened up and the ones who cared about the least were the the men in Norway in fact women in Norway if they saw a man

Michael Sartainwho was a virgin past a certain age they thought it was extremely strange so virginity was looked at very different in different countries the idea that this woman is 23 and has never been with a dude in her mind she's like I don't have experience so I'm a weirdo and

Michael Sartainthat's not how it works for men we need experience to be better with women for women you do not need experience with men to be more attractive to men I'll

Michael Sartainsay it one more time you do not need more experience with men right

Andreaat this grown age I'm not teaching you how to buy a book I'll have ice I'll have to say something I have a friend a personal friend who also didn't have a first kiss

TTS Readeruntil she was about 24. a frog donated 100 hey all good talk Mike thank you for your service fellow

TTS ReaderUSA there you go cross Into the Blue question for the group back to the prom discussion what if free prom was banned you'd have to pay and be taxed like

Mallorytobacco slash alcohol Brian keep up the great show that's only fans better yeah that's only fans

PriyaI don't know what's better because when it's consensual 100 versus I'm not necessarily saying anything against the fact that there's two consenting adults energy like interacting in a sexual

Priyamanner that's up to them they have the right to do that I'm saying that I think that it's a net bad for the reason that people are creating parasocial relationships with somebody that does not exist and that is also harming their

Priyadating life it's harming their uh their mental health their ability to interact with individuals especially in a romantic sense and it affects their hormones celebrities too people make social media yeah there's there's people

MalloryI'm not saying that there isn't an argument for that there absolutely is an argument everything right parasocial relationships are something we're going to have to like evolve behind parasocial relationships that it can lead to people like becoming more social while yes I

Michael Sartainagree that unhealthy social relationships exist it can help people become more social there's like entire people yeah I think what you're talking about are people that deal with some sort of like disorder or maybe maybe on the autistic Spectrum um and then and

Michael Sartainthey have no and they get married to someone on World of Warcraft or something like that I think you're dealing with outside like two standard deviations outside the norm with something like that and I want to like say I completely agree that there definitely is like unhealthy versions of

Malloryprawn like I do not like prawn Hub at all like I think that there's a lot of problems behind that but I'm completely on board with like stuff like only fans and like a prawn that requires like more art like hentai

Malloryand stuff so because that's not affecting anybody personally like as trafficking and stuff and it's not as easily accessible to children to just like open up their phones and see the most like vile disgusting things out of their brain yeah so I mean for the only

Priyafans thing yeah I understand the argument in terms of creators being their own managers and being able to benefit in that sense and be their own boss in a way I can understand the

Priyaargument for that in the sense of only fans compared to other options but like I said earlier there's less censorship around only fans because because it is

Priyanot a chronography website it should be it yeah at this point it should be it was not created for that purpose but there's no regulation around it therefore people can post whatever they want basically but because there are no

Priyaregulations there's no like proper age verification there are lots

Mia Lynnonly fans and there is improper age verification on only fans yes they're you're not required to submit your ideas yeah I was going to say there have been many stories about the average only fans user is like 29 years old anyways so but

MalloryI do think that the the popularity of only fans like I'm four only fans but I'm also it does need to be regulated because joining only fans very early on like at age 18 is very unhealthy for a woman well there are many people that

Priyahave joined under but it does come from somebody at somebody else's ID there's there's a lot like there's more people watch it when you're young rather than to be a part of it people are going to have urges that like but what's the solution you can't just ban it all

Mia Lynntogether right so you do the best that you can and if there are people that get by through that then there are people that get by through that that's the nature of society and human flaw like I don't understand do you guys see Utah now like you have to I think you have to upload like if you want any

Andreayour identity and like your name that's the same thing for like only four by two different things she's talking about a Creator you're talking about using she's saying as a Creator no no I'm saying like Janu Utah if you're around oh I didn't know that when you go on

Andreacornhub.com you need to give your information sorry you need to it's a good idea I think that's a good idea shout out to Utah I find it's a little intrusive why everyone everyone that's a great if you

Priyawant to engage in plus 18 websites then you should have yeah if you want to buy alcohol

TTS ReaderAmerica America look yourselves in the mirror and ask yourself would I give up my right to view pornography to destroy the extreme negatives from the industry and restore the dating Marketplace for

Brian Atlasall ages and the traditional family politics have blinded you honestly though I thank you Josh for your TTS honestly like prawn ain't the best but I think social media

Brian Atlasand dating apps have had a much more negative impacts than because prawn prawn's been around a long time like there's Playboy there's

Brian Atlasmagazines and obviously now it's much more accessible however I think the rapid transformation of you know the dating Marketplace I think is more due to social media and dating

Mia Lynnapps so I agree with that because sex work has been around since the beginning of time so it's just because

Mia Lynnyou say that the same would you say the same about being traditional right because like if you're traditional and you want to with like withhold that and you would agree that keeping that from like that doesn't apply to it that logic

Audidoesn't apply to everything in life if that if that logic applied to everything then everything would be in that bad that's not true I would 100 ban porn 100 because I started having a

Audipoor on addiction at the age of seven years old and I'm looking back but not everything's gonna happen not everybody's going to but I must tell you right now how that affected my life my relationships I wanted to recreate them scenes instead of being a part of a normal relationship I definitely know

Michael Sartainlike that none of the dating apps social media want to make me want to do that here's here's the thing so what porn has done Dr Andrew huberman does a really great uh he has some very great speeches on this you guys can look it up he went

Michael Sartainon Joe Rogan had a very uh eloquent description he talks about it sets your dopamine levels super high and then they're sort of set there and you can't reset them so meaning like everything has to compare to the threesome porn

Michael Sartainexperience that you had on PornHub whatever right okay now the thing is where now we have men looking at unrealistic things women on at the same time are now able to message their

Michael Sartainfavorite rapper and have one-off sexual experiences with celebrities and real really good looking man that they find that they would not have had access to before social media so as men have this

Michael Sartainunrealistic expectation from what they see from adult performers women now also have an unrealistic expectation because they can have sex with a high status man but cannot keep one and now where it

Michael Sartaingets even worse is now they start comparing every sexual experience or every relationship they had to that one time they Blake Griffin that's that's becomes a situation Griffin is

Michael Sartainthat who is that he he was a country singer for the Clippers and he was date and he uh was with Kylie Jenner just just because someone has high status though

Michael Sartaindoesn't necessarily mean they're good in bed no no it doesn't matter my point is my point is she had access like again when when you when you think about you know your baseball player one day you hit four home runs you start comparing your rest of the career to that one

Michael Sartaingreat day that you had it's the same situation or or you have you have you hit uh three Ace pairs in a row and you just take everybody's money playing poker you keep comparing yourself to that one great thing that you did in

Michael Sartainthis situation every woman who had a one night stand with Drake or someone like that she's kind of in her mind ruined for a normal dude in a normal relationship from that point forward and I have I hear this all the time all the

Michael Sartaintime especially from women who live in Los Angeles they're like I dated so and so and I'm like no you didn't I know him and his wife he you for sure

Michael Sartainmaybe twice you never dated him if I look up pictures of you and him on a red carpet somewhere there are none there's pictures of him and his wife you never dated him and the fact that she even has

Michael Sartainthe the mental the the thought the imagination that she dated him now think about that in her mind now that's what she Compares every relationship to so she ends up dating a shortstop

Michael Sartainfor the Dodgers or ends up sleeping with him like two or three times in her mind she dated him and now every single person she goes up she dates from that point forward has to it has to make the 20 million dollar a year guaranteed

Michael Sartaincontract has to be this tall and in her mind that's who she wants and when things are dissatisfying in the relationship and the short stop text her in the middle of the night she is just far more likely to go back to him does everybody understand that is how social

Audimedia has up dating that's how it is you make a good point because it's not just about um looking and watching it's about comparing where I think people are unable to separate that part of their brain that contrasts whether it's social

Michael Sartainmedia porn well sure yeah because your brain's not your brain has not evolved the same thing can happen with like if you watch a TV show long enough or the same thing happens with my podcast people come up to me all the time sure it happens to Brian all the time people come up to us and start telling us their life story like we know them but we

Michael Sartaindon't know them they watch us for hours every week they know our whole story but then they're talking to us like we don't know them because their brain has not evolved to witness some other human every day six days a week and then not think that they actually don't know them

Michael Sartainbecause your brain cannot tell the difference between the two dimensional objects on the screen and then the the other tribe members that you lived with 50 000 years ago your ancestors live with you're just you're not evolved to know the difference so of course yeah I

Michael Sartainagree with that so for women it's like the there is an unrealistic belief that because I slept with this country singer this famous country singer that that is what I deserve every time and for men because I witness this sexual act on

Michael Sartainthis adult web website that this is what sex is supposed to be for me now we have both genders seeing unrealistic expectations which and this is what's ruining dating wait I have a question I know you don't know the fact but what

Michael Sartainpercentage of corn Watchers do you think have a healthy relationship with it probably really I think majority to be to be honest with you here's what I think it depends on how much they

Michael Sartainwatch and there's so many people that watch adult content that I'm sure some of them do have healthy relationships but in general like there's a lot of people who don't watch adult content who don't have healthy relationships we have a 53 divorce rate in this country and 78

Michael Sartainof divorces are initiated by women so like I don't think like I don't think anyone's no one's winning right now okay the only people who are winning are like puritanical Christians who get married as virgins like they're the only people shout out to Jerusalem I know he's gonna

Brian Atlasclip this like they're the only people who are like actually doing well the rest of us are just like slightly better than chance that's what that's what's happening all right we have a chat here from uh doc hey thank you man in Cuba doctors are sent to other countries as slave

Brian Atlaslabor in the Communist Castro regime gets the money from the likes of Venezuela and Mexico the people in Cuba have no medical care only the government Elite and medical tourists get proper care hey doc thank you man appreciate it

Andreaum yeah I'm not super familiar with the oh I have an anecdote for this um I know a guy my mom's ex-boyfriend he's like 50 he went to Cuba all the time he's Canadian so he can go he met a

Andreawoman there Cuban woman she's a doctor from Cuba and you can imagine where this is going they got married she came over to Canada one day he woke up and there was a letter on his bed saying thank you so much you know for

Michael Sartainbringing me over to Canada but I'm leaving you that's nice well then what he should have done is filed for divorce and then all sudden she doesn't have a citizenship anymore then all of a sudden hey thanks so much for leaving me now you're a refugee how about that yeah

Michael Sartainadditional person would prefer to be a q I'm sorry you can say whatever you want and watch should any show me any documentary about how their health care is better it is not better there sorry

Brian Atlasso just I'm gonna try we're time permitting a lot of you submitted some uh pre-show notes that I'm gonna try to hit on and then we will get some

Brian Atlassuper chats in so just finishing up with you you said that a guy can't handle a girl showing off her body that's insecure like the recent Jonah Hill text messages

Brian Atlasum so did you think that Jonah Hill's boundaries that he's attempted to set on his then girlfriend do you think that was controlling do you think that was what do you what did you think that was

Andreatrust me I get your point right everyone can be like I'm not comfortable with my girlfriend posting bikini pics whether you're surfing or not but I think it should have been discussed beforehand to kind of retroactively make her take

Michael Sartainthings down and go put her in this situation so it was now we're in a relationship yeah so it was if you read the text messages I will not I will not allow for this continued disrespect it

Andazawas disgusting um um I don't understand why men bag a really bad and then just expect her to stop being this bad business she can do whatever she wants

Michael Sartainbut then he also has the choice to not marry her because exactly what we said before that there are how many are there how many Jonah Hills are there Joan Hill's probably gonna die with half a billion dollars in his bank account at some point then how many Jonah Hills are

Michael Sartainthere versus how many of these Sarah Bradley Surfers are there and that the thing is from her standpoint not what proves that I'm correct are the I don't know if you guys saw the breakup text messages where he was like uh you know I just want you know I'm seeing someone else and she's like nice job it's only

Michael Sartainbeen six months and you're already with someone else and then he has a baby with someone else and she has the audacity to then release all these text messages making him apparently uh controlling but

Michael Sartainthey're they're broken up why wait why wait until I have my baby with someone else she seems to be happy with me and the woman I have my baby with you know what else she actually liked the boundaries that I had some

Michael Sartainwomen had the audacity to say to me the other day it's like I hope you have a daughter oh and or like I hope your your daughter ends up with a man like this a man like this who makes hundreds of millions of dollars and asks my daughter

Michael Sartainto not go around dressing like a oh my God I hope I never have a man like that in my life I would be so happy if I had a dude like that are you kidding yeah but Michael we agree that some women though are okay having those

Michael Sartainhe gave her several chances to understand if you want to keep riding the Jonah Hill train you have to do this and he can and by the way an ultimatum is like when you're when you don't want to back it up those weren't threats he

Michael Sartainbroke up with her he knew he said these are the things he goes if these are these things that make you happy I support it what a piece of he goes I support it and then he goes but this

Kellyis not something that will work for me he was so that's so fair he was so cool about this because at the end of the day also I feel like he's definitely supporting her life so at the end of the day she should be able to Yeah

Michael Sartainby those standards every single traditional Muslim man is controlling yes yeah yes so are you saying that that's every single traditional Muslim man who asks

Michael Sartainhis who asked those things of his wife every one of them is an abusive controller if that's what you're saying every without exception every single Muslim man is like that and I'm a Protestant saying this I think it depends if the woman is okay with it or

Michael Sartainnot if she's okay with it then we agree that we then we agree and so she wasn't she didn't change her behavior they broke up and she wasn't okay with it after he moved on so she posted private

Michael Sartaintext messages between him and her she is 500 there's two other problems there's two other problems number one calling that abuse is so belittling to women who actually suffer from abuse that's the

Michael Sartainsecond problem and here's the third problem these nonsensical videos of therapists saying this he's using controlling language and it's really he's trying to say these are boundaries

Michael Sartainbut really this is abuse now you ruin therapy you've ruined therapy that's that's just because that's because psychologists like can read between the lines and boundaries is

Michael Sartainsomething that you set for yourself not for another no no if you if I if I ask you in my relationship to not sleep with other men that is a boundary I set for you and is a healthy body you're setting a boundary for somebody else

Brian Atlasjust donating this wordless good to see you sorry for the interruption go back to your point have fun yes swordless thank you man and by the way thank you for the uh you gifted 10 memberships though so thank you so much

Brian Atlasgood to see you in the chat man normally we see you on Twitch but thank you for coming over to uh YouTube man appreciate it um okay let's Let's uh let me see here where we were so we touched on the

PriyaJonah Hill um okay do you mind if I make one quick it was one of you two that mentioned it in terms of and I agree that this is a

Priyaconversation that should I don't I'm not versed on their relationship timeline I agree that it's a conversation that absolutely needs to happen in the beginning of a relationship but would you not agree that there are certain activities that you engage in when you

Michael Sartainare single that you would not engage in when you are not single and you are in a relationship absolutely but he's still married this girl right no no no they only dated okay but wait before before we go on I'm dating a world champion

Michael Sartainbikini model and I don't care if she posts pictures of bikinis yeah because that's her my standard that I told her before we got into a relationship and if she didn't stay up to my standard then I

Michael Sartainwould say hey if these are the things that make you I'm gonna I'm gonna if we have I'm gonna write exactly what Jonah Hill did exactly if these are the things that make you happy I support it but it's not right for me he said she does the extrapolation I mean my girlfriend

Michael Sartaindoes yeah enough

Mia Lynnshe would take it down without me even asking right I don't like the way she's sorry um like what are we extrapolating from this like what's the point because I feel like a lot of people that watch

Mia Lynnlike the Jonah Hill situation unfold like genuinely genuinely we're like saw like that he was in the right like a honestly I would really like to go to the next subject so we can all talk

Brian Atlashere's the point well here's the point I I do want to say something I would a lot of people have not had an opportunity to speak I would like to make an attempt to try to you know give a little space so

Brian Atlasthat some other people you know can see he's the company um yeah did you have a question or I was I asked him a question okay yeah but my only issue was it was

Michael Sartaintherapy that was the thing is that therapist or not therapists are now making tick tocks bashing Jonah Hill and now other therapists are watching this nonsense thinking that they have to act the same way it's like a a different understanding of

Brian Atlaswhat boundaries mean like it's like you can like whether or not you could set the boundary for yourself tell you what I'll set you guys up to have like a podcast yeah you've been you've been asking him a lot of questions which I think is great I like that you're coming

Brian Atlasback to Vegas but I do want to try to Loop in a couple of a couple of other people here okay all right so um I had something here for Priya uh you mentioned something about uh

Brian AtlasOh I thought it's like more people ask you on dates okay actually I'm gonna skip to uh I'm gonna skip over to you so you wanted to touch on let's see what was a good one

Andazawhat to bring to the table as a woman we talked about that you said don't do wifey things for your boyfriend what do you mean so I had this conversation um with my friend a couple nights ago and he was like how do you feel about

Andazathe whole um girls being like I'm not gonna do wifey things for my boyfriend and I was like um I guess that's understandable like you know I don't want to be a a wife too soon because then it's like what do you

Andazahave to marry me for right but then we touched on um they're like okay well I've never dated a girl and be like hmm she doesn't do these things let me marry her to see if she does these things

Andazaafter I marry her so yeah I just wanted to know everyone's opinion on that about like being a wife to a boyfriend why wouldn't you want to be a wife to your boyfriend like how early should we

Brian Atlastalk about how early okay exactly like how early relationship like are you immediately yes immediately before the title before you even well what what are some wifey things that you would that

Andazayou consider wifey um I guess it would depend I say it depends on the person you're dating because every man needs to be catered to differently like you know um you know if they're an athlete you know you want to be there for them

Andazamassage therapists cook them a good Protein healthy meal you know like things that they basically take stress out of their life everybody got a different love language exactly exactly what kind of person are you or you know some people are don't like touch that

Audimuch that's why I said it depends on the menu expecting them coming around like always trying to put your hands on them it's somebody like that yeah yeah because it's like I would have to date somebody that knows that my love language is also providing so you know

Kellyso why would I date someone that doesn't accept my love language that's kind of counterproductive yeah that's true well when you're dating I feel like dating should be for marriage um if your boyfriend and girlfriend with somebody you should be able to see a future with that person so why wouldn't

Kellyyou want to treat them in the best way possible why wouldn't you want to treat him like like your husband if you plan on marrying this person if you plan on being with them for the rest of your life that makes no sense to not want to do things for this person just because it's not your husband it's your

Andazaboyfriend you want to prove to them that you are capable of being a good wife and a good caretaker to them and your future children if that's what you desire I will also say that social media probably ruined a lot of this because it's like the top woman in the world get cheated

Andazaon you can do all this quote unquote wifey and still get cheated on still get left so like it ruins your perspective on like oh maybe I'm doing too much and it's like oh she's gonna stay here she's already done all this

Andreawifey stuff I got her locked in I could do whatever I feel like men take advantage sometimes yeah they're not the right like if it's the right person then you know it will work out but a lot of men will lie and cheat and manipulate

Andazaand oh she's so understanding she'll understand why I cheated like you know like so and you'll do all it makes you take a step back like maybe I should take this a little slower maybe I shouldn't give all my qualities so soon

Eileenain a relationship I feel like if it's someone I want to pursue and I want this man to be my man then I would I feel like it would almost be natural for me to start putting in a wife role even in the dating scene because like I want to

Eileenado that for you like you're my man like you know I'm gonna give you a massage I want to touch you you know I want to cook for you I want to do that stuff because my feminine energy what I do for him makes him feel more like a man and

Eileenamakes him act like that towards me back in the nurturing and caring aspects and it's just like that feeling you know it's so beautiful like I mean I'm looking for that right now as well so

Eileenabecause you know it's the same thing like you know like like what you're saying I totally agree like I don't I'm not the reason why I'm not in a relationship is because it's so serious to me it's so serious dating to me that I'm not gonna date you unless I see you being my husband

KellyI want why would you want to do that for somebody who but if you were in a relationship with that person you were going to care I'm going to do the most exactly I'm gonna do the most and I'm gonna do above and beyond what I can do because I want to prove to myself that I

Priyacan be a wife you know what I mean absolutely and dating nowadays seems like a competition of who cares less and that is completely bad I agree I agree I have not I probably will I will not be

Michael Sartainseeing that movie Rolo and I are going to do a review on it I really I really need

Kellyshe's like really mean to Ken and like that's like one part about it where I was just like how are you supposed to like show women empowerment when you're just belittling that's how you show women empowerment

Kellyemasculating Ken and being mean to Ken is and then girls will literally be like oh well good for you oh she should you don't need a man yeah yeah you will

Kellyliterally say oh good for Barbie she doesn't need him she's she's her own person and she will always be her own person and she will never need Ken and that's how they make it into the film asked him to go find him

Eileenabut I'm gonna take this into consideration when I do go see it because I was curious tonight

Kellybecause this is like number one movie this is like right next to Little Mermaid well I just want you to know if you are gonna go see it don't go into it thinking it's gonna be like oh fluffy Barbie like princessy like oh that's not allowed the other thing is

Michael Sartainwhat you're describing is a 1985 Barbie where Barbie kind of looks like a Playboy model that wouldn't be allowed those movies don't get funded that

Michael Sartaindoesn't ever happen I knew what the Barbie movie was before they put it out like it's obvious that that's the only thing there is no political there is no alternative narrative there is no narrative where Barbie is like I like

Michael Sartainhaving fun I don't want to work and Ken pays for my life there is no the original of course but there is no narrative where Barbie can do that I love Canon will do anything for him get the away from my man there is no

Michael SartainBarbie movie like that that cannot be made if you thought there was anything every Barbie movie ever correct but before but in 1985 yes but uh yeah I mean all I know about the

Brian AtlasBarbie movies they drop apparently they say the patriarch there's the patriarchy 10 times then

Brian Atlasthe other thing that you wanted to uh touch on is hooking up on the first date is it wrong or is it right so we'll go around the table on this how quickly

Brian Atlasyou know do you have a three date rule how long do you think you should wait before hooking up having sex with a guy I personally am uh I think it's

Eileenademisexual person is it like I have to have a connection with you there's like there's so many like you know like an intersection yeah yeah bro like I honestly like I could do the deed

Eileenafirst night but I will not give a about you you know what I mean like I would rather get to know you as a person like and that sucks you know it'd be like yeah I would rather get to know someone I'm

Eileenadefinitely someone's like I'd rather get to know you and then commit into something once it's like we have a connection you know because it makes that act so much more in like worth it when you know who who this person is and

Eileenayou guys connect I'm not gonna judge anyone if they do do hook up on the first night like I'm not someone that's gonna judge someone if they do all right if they don't it's not my preference you know but you know do you the the last guy that you hooked up

Brian Atlaswith how long did you wait uh I think we know next one I think we have an answer well what's the answer um

Eileenait just the last person I knew them for like not too long but yeah right away pretty much sure of course not not like there's times where it does

Eileenahappen you know it's not all the time you know but but the last time but the last time it was I thought you were Demi demisexual though I saw your clip I see I mean sometimes you just it's it's crazy because sometimes you just get

Audibored and it's like oh that well there's something to do but you know I'm not gonna say it no like yeah what about you what do you think I think momentum is very attractive so it's like people that I will have that

Audienergy with it will just be there from the get-go but the more you can build up momentum that's really attractive sweet oh um wait so just I want to add one one point

Brian Atlasto this question going back to you what's in addition to how long do you think you ought to or should wait what's the fastest that you've ever

Brian Atlashooked up with a guy so 10 seconds 10 minutes 10 seconds did it take only 10 seconds yeah a minute an hour three hours so I mean

EileenaI've definitely like I've had one night stands before or whatever um what like what is the quickest so basically first meeting to pee in the v it's not like instant it's not like we're in the bar let's go

Eileenato the bathroom no no it'd be like has been for me like beginning of the day at the end of the day be like all right yeah all right that's how you

Eileenashould do it you know like but not never like a couple hours that for me person that's just like sure sure plead the fifth

Brian Atlasplead the fifth uh wait so but your previous answer was you got to go with momentum or something yeah can

Audiyou scoot your chair into the momentum is more attractive but I don't can you define momentum I build a build up the more that you have a connection with someone the longer you go without

Audiweight like wasting connection Away by making a move right just having that connection that being anticipation right correct would you not argue though that

Audianticipation and like that momentum builds the longer that you wait and it's not the longest you go but it's to say I'm not saying it's like just based

Brian Atlasoff who I'm attracted to doesn't mean the quicker that will be in bed so an hour I'll answer I was in my college

Brian Atlasdays you know 30 minutes Ryan 30 minutes yeah you're at a college party bro probably 30 years probably less like what the are we actually talking

Eileenaabout here like you know like like no I'm sorry not to interrupted sometimes I had me get into this much [Laughter]

Brian Atlasum it's okay look I review I I'm a you're just smiling a little too much that's how I feel about that man you know in college whatever 30. so I did 30 minutes so that's the bar for for any of you guys if you're feeling shy

Brian Atlasabout revealing it do you want to reveal it right on Kappa Sig Ma [Laughter] sorry we didn't hear same day same day

Andreafair enough what about it um so I biologically men lose interest right after there there are exceptions to that but like you know I I disavow

Andreareally okay well that's what I've heard but um yeah if I'm interested in a guy obviously I'll wait like a couple of dates but I have in the place if you're not interested in the guy yeah I mean for a serious relationship I mean for a

Andrearelationship worthy if you just find someone good looking I've been on a date before I always slept with them at the end of the date but I knew I wouldn't have done that if I wanted a serious relationship with them wait you didn't want a serious relationship with him no

Andreajust wanted to hook up so um husband material I'm a waited out isn't that interesting how that works so the guys that you were like

Michael Sartainnah knock knock I'm just curious has this ever happened to any of you guys when you weren't in a relationship you were willing to have a threesome and then when you got into a relationship you weren't willing to have a threesome anymore is this happen to

Michael Sartainany of you guys before well who's had that threesome anybody you have mine

Andreainteresting okay uh so okay you said same same night and then yeah but if the guy is relationship material yeah but that's because I've been taught that

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