She Dated 50 Men In 50 Days?! | Dating Talk #105

Date: 2023-10-02

Duration: 5h 27m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CClaire (DT105)>

AAlexa (DT105)>

EEmily (DT105)>

SSophia (DT105)>

QQ Jquan (DT139)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Chat(audience)

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Amy(guest)

SPEAKER_03Claire(guest)

SPEAKER_04Sam(guest)

SPEAKER_05Zoe(guest)

SPEAKER_07Q(guest)

SPEAKER_08Alexa(guest)

SPEAKER_10Sophia(guest)

SPEAKER_12Emily(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lynn(guest)

Key Moments

ControversyQ delivers extended explanation of biological basis for body count double standard using oxytocin, vasopressin, paternity uncertainty, orgasm gap, and sexual disgust research.

“paternity uncertainty... oxytocin and vasopressin... women experience a lot more sexual regret... the orgasm gap... sexual disgust”

OtherEmily reveals ex-boyfriend (cheater) has been mailing her $3k cash and $2k in weed post-breakup for ~a year with no solicitation.

“he's probably watching... he sends me money sometimes and weed... total maybe three grand... probably 2000 in weed”

QuoteBrian pitches scheduling automated 'good morning' texts via iPhone accessibility feature as a hack for forgetful/autistic texters.

“there's a thing in the accessibility section of your iPhone where you can automatically send out a text message every single day at a specific time”

OtherSam reveals during the show she snapped the guy she had sex with 4 days prior and he texted back that he was watching the show.

“I kind of called him in the bathroom... he was like I lowkey wish you mentioned my name”

OtherSophia discloses she has sent 30+ unanswered texts to a man who has gone silent after she moved to California.

“like a lot... how many give me a number... it was never an issue in the past... yes but it wouldn't be all at once”

OtherSam discloses she had ~30 men in her rotation during summer after high school breakup (age 16-17), and received ~$1k from sugar daddy offers on Tinder before getting banned.

“maybe a grand... my rent for my parents... I got banned from Tinder but I got the money”

OtherSophia shares she has had multiple car breakdowns in California and is helped each time because she is a young female, citing female privilege.

“I am more vulnerable so when I'm stuck on the side of the road... I have been very fortunate that everyone who stopped was very nice”

QuoteEmily argues the biggest struggle facing women is men claiming to be women: 'you can be a cow, do whatever you want, but you're not going to be a woman.'

“I think it's actually commendable... the biggest struggle women face is you can just put on some tits and makeup and be one of us”

OtherSophia discloses she has endometriosis, was denied minimally invasive surgery in the US, and had to go abroad for treatment.

“I have endometriosis which is a women's issue... they wouldn't give it to me in the United States I had to go out of the country”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship statuses

Guests introduce themselves (name, age, occupation). Each guest describes their current relationship status, longest relationship, and dating history. Covers Zoe's roster, Sam's bipolar diagnosis breakup and hot girl summer, Claire's situationship and virgin status, Sophia's multi-year ambiguous friendship with a divorced man, Amy's 5-year relationship ended by cheating, Lynn's dating app experience.

Texting habits and communication in relationships

Brian admits he does not text daily even in relationships; describes himself as autistic re: utility of texts. Debate on whether consistency in texting signals interest. Brian suggests scheduling automated 'good morning' texts via iPhone accessibility. Discussion of letting someone miss you vs. constant contact.

Body count, pair bonding, and double standards

Discussion of male vs. female body count preferences. Q explains oxytocin/vasopressin science, paternity uncertainty, orgasm gap, and sexual disgust as biological explanations for gender differences. Debate on whether the double standard is actually a 'different standard.' Emily's story about ex-boyfriend who cheated then mailed cash and weed post-breakup. Sam's sugar daddy experiences on Tinder.

Brian's ideal woman list

Brian reads from written notes his preferences: any race (slight preference Asian/white women), petite, no plastic surgery, minimal makeup, large labia preference, introverted/quiet personality, no heavy drinking, low body count (under 10), no cluster-B personality disorders (BPD, NPD, HPD, APD). Spirited debate from panel on whether these preferences are reasonable or a double standard.

Mental illness, therapy, and relationship compatibility

Sam discloses bipolar type 1; ex left her because of it. Debate on whether mental illness is a reasonable dating disqualifier. Brian says he prefers no major mental disorders but acknowledges exceptions. Q argues personality disorders recur in relationships and therapy is insufficient. Claire discusses panic attacks and benefit of therapy for communication. Brian shares his own anxiety/panic attack history and preference for solution-focused approaches over talk therapy.

Herpes, STD risk, and dating disclosure

Recurring donor 'Jay Butler' asks whether panel would sleep with / date someone with genital herpes. Panel goes around: most say deal-breaker or heavily conditional. Discussion of legal liability for non-disclosure. Sophia says only her future husband matters; Claire says strongly committed relationship might be exception. Brian says 100% deal-breaker. Q defers briefly.

Female privilege, male gaze, and body standards

Zoe cites Barbie movie monologue about impossible beauty standards for women. Brian and Q argue men face more uncontrollable physical criteria (height, penis size, balding). Discussion of 'male gaze' vs female gaze. Panel surveys percentage of men they find physically attractive (responses range from 2% to 60%). Emily argues biggest struggle facing women is biological males claiming female identity. Discussion of wage gap being debunked vs. earnings gap nuance. Sophia discusses endometriosis surgery being denied in US while gender-affirming surgery is accessible.

Transgender identity and dating preferences

Panel discusses definition of 'woman.' Most panel members define as adult human female / XX chromosomes. Claire distinguishes trend-based vs. genuine gender dysphoria. Debate on whether a man declining to date a trans woman who has had bottom surgery is prejudice or preference. Brian explains genitalia preference; eventually panel largely agrees preference is valid.

Abortion, Christianity, and foster care

Sophia (pro-life, Christian) and Claire (pro-choice, Christian) debate abortion. Sam distinguishes irresponsible casual sex abortions vs. difficult-circumstance abortions. Amy suggests funding should go to foster care instead of Planned Parenthood. Claire discloses personal experience in the foster care system.

Gun ownership and closing segment

Donation question: would any girls date a man who legally owns a firearm. Sam says she would not feel comfortable with a gun in the house given her mental health. Most others are neutral or conditionally OK. Show wraps with quick body count round-robin: Zoe=0, Sam=no comment (over 10 implied), Claire=0, Emily=one hand/1, Sophia=1, Amy=3, Lynn=not stated, Brian pleads the fifth.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasconsidered um attractive back then I'mma look AUP all day over some giant fake titties that's all I'm going to say wait finish your list finish my okay so that's pretty much looks wise right

Brian Atlaspersonality I'd say I like more introverted women quiet calm soft spoken maybe a little bit shy maybe a little bit nerdy uh brings me peace doesn't quarrel doesn't party doesn't drink

Brian Atlasdoesn't do drugs doesn't go to bars or clubs oh you don't drink I don't I mean very rarely and if I do so the other person has to drink rarely just not if she no like so when

Brian Atlassay doesn't drink like if she has a glass of wine at dinner that's fine but I'm talking like a girl who party he

Qmean that's how girls that's how you view girls taking shots that's what they be doing that's what they be doing the whole stretching out the lips around the shot

Brian Atlasglass no yeah you put you put your and then you go like that they do it all the time um low body count okay and what's low to you yeah number where wise like

Brian Atlasunder 10 definitely under 10 definitely under 10 under five we'll go under 10 I mean the low it's a spectrum right the lower the better is it a ratio no

Brian Atlasthere there the ratio that's that's BS that's BS um uh but yeah I mean but would you say you have a high body count but I first off I'm a man of God so I

Brian Atlasdon't reveal okay my body no you don't have to say like a specific like number but I'm saying if you're being so like oh I don't want a girl who has a lot of I'm going to plead the fifth on

Samanswering that question but exactly oh what do you mean cuz you like you don't have to say like a specific number but have you had sex with quite a

Brian Atlasfew people like more than 10 that's a yes that's a yes that's a yes okay and you're saying you want a girl with the lower body I see I see what you're saying so you're saying like

Samit's a double standard kind of if you're really into somebody and they have like a body count over 10 and they're your age right they're your age would it be a deal breaker if you truly

Brian Atlashave a connection with them well age is a factor too so obviously a woman who's a bit older is going to likely have had more sexual part you trying to date like a 22y old or something sure I'll date

Sophiasomebody 22 21 sure what if you met your perfect woman and she was a virgin and she asked you your body count and that was the little breaker for her she wouldn't date you cuz you had too high body I mean if if that is a deal breaker

Sophiafor her that's I'm not fine you wouldn't like regret it though like if if she like met like every single point on your list and was a virgin regret what like sleeping around

SophiaI wouldn't say I really slept around a whole bunch but he should huh well no but I'm saying like well if if you know if you value like there is a double standard if you value that then you find

Sophiaa woman who's a virgin but she also prefers to be with somebody who's a virgin and she could be like the perfect woman for you meing yeah you can reject anybody for any reason you want there's billions of people in this world though both men and women are allowed to

Sophiahave preferences standards and boundaries if there's a criteria with which a woman wants to reject me that's fine I'm saying that um that usually women who have low body counts or are

Sophiavirgins also perhaps prefer men with low body counts or virgins perhaps although I would I would say I'm just saying you're making it harder for yourself like you're decreasing your chances well

Brian AtlasI've neither confirmed or or denied what my body count is but uh for the sake of I feel like I I probably shouldn't but um so this card and I was like making

Sophiathe arent in not here's the thing I think women care far less about body count than do men generally I mean depends generally but I was also like making the argument like yeah generally because like that's what I'm saying like I was saying earlier it also depends on

Sophiawhat kind of circles you're a part of and so if you want to find a woman who is a virgin or low body count or whatever then typically like you find that in like a lot of Christian circles but those women women those Christian women also prefer guys who are virgins

Brian Atlasor low body count what about people who aren't Christian well saying someone that's looking for it though yeah like if you're looking for that then that's where you would typically find that I want to do I I do want to challenge you

Brian Atlasthere a little bit because there's this idea that like only conservative or religious or Christian women have some like exclusive claim to non promiscuity and virginity I don't think that's the

Brian Atlascase I think I'm not saying that just in general whether agree or not with someone with their politics like a liberal woman could be nonpromiscuous absolutely I mean there are exceptions

Sambut like that's rare or like a non an atheist nonpolitical woman could be non promiscuous yeah so I don't think it's based on religion and stuff like

Brian Atlaseverybody is well like statistically I would say yes I would say that women who are religious probably lean more towards non promiscuity than their more liberal atheist counterparts but yeah I'm saying

Brian Atlaslike but but you don't have exclusive uh you don't have like exclusive what's the word um claim to non promiscuity like what do

TTS/Chatyou mean he's saying that you don't have to be Christian to oh no I'm not saying that Butler donated $99 Butler than you here's why high body count make you

TTS/Chatfilthy condoms do not protect against genital herpes 60 bodies equals exposure to 12 Partners who are infect Ed 100 bodies equals you're not clean th why

Brian Atlasthey can't test for it in corn it would destroy the industry based yo thank you Jay Butler appreciate it yeah definitely condoms do not prevent the Herp Derp and

Brian Atlasthey just prevent no children sometimes and other STDs but yeah yeah yeah what were we talking about I don't remember low body count your your dream girl well no you were saying I think you were

Brian Atlassaying something about well if you have been with all these people all then I'm just asking why your preference is that if you've been with like well who knows how many people you've been I mean I don't but I'm saying but you're okay

Brian Atlassure so let's say I did have a high body count right so you're saying well Brian you shouldn't have this preference for women who have a low body count is that kind of no no no I'm asking why is it your preference oh why is it my preference like why would why do you

Qspecifically want a woman like that with low body count yeah I'm going to defer to Q on this because Q oh okay because Auto research indicat that there are gender differences between our sexual behavior that's why we're sexually

Qdimorphic first of all you have paternity uncertainty which is women who sleep around there's a less likelihood of them knowing who the father of their child is and to a man the ultimate disrespect is him raising a child is not

Qhis he's invested in resources to help the next man's Offspring that's extremely detrimental to his genetic leg Legacy the second thing is women like I said experience a lot more sexual regret

Qwomen come with a lot more emotional no baggage they sleep with guys they rack up bodies I don't know if you guys have seen Britney rener but Britney rener just said she had 35 bodies when she said she had 35 bodies she said a lot of them half of them were one night stands

Qand she said she wished they hadn't have been that way the so that tells you right there that a lot of times when women sleep with a man they want that man to like them they want something out of that man so if you don't get it you

Qbecome bitter you may regret it he it may affect you emotionally it may damage you emotionally that's another thing so you carry that into the next relationship that you're in so now those guys are wondering why you are the way that you are when in reality it's just

Qbecause you don't feel valued you don't feel validated you've gave your body to a man who didn't appreciate you who didn't give you what you want you knew what you wanted out of it you didn't get it so you feel some type of way I agree with you the next thing is felt like

Qthat the next thing is the orgasm Gap men have an incentive to want to procreate because we orgasm 99% of the time when we have sex the majority of women do not orgasm when they have sex

Qso what did you just do you just wasted your time also women describe sex is better when they like the guy they're attracted to the guy so if you sleep with a man that you don't know you might feel some type of way uh yucky or I wish

QI hadn't done this you experienced sexual disgust so there's differences all the research aligns with what y'all call the double standard and that's why I say it's not a double standard it's different standards because the standard sexual behaviors y'all exhibit are not

Alexathe same standard of sexual behaviors that men exhibit but then you could also argue that stats prove that pair bonding happened for both men and women the the higher body count a man has

TTS/ChatButler donated $99 for the panel one by one would you sleep with someone who had genital herpes once infected your 7x more likely

TTS/Chatto contract HIV disclosing to Future partners and will likely get rejected taking antivirals for life and forced to

Brian Atlasuse herpes dating sites J Butler is our he's a uh anti- herpes activist and he's in here every week just going hard on

Brian Atlasthe herpes train so um he does raise a very good point about let me just see here

Brian Atlasum having herpes it's a good point um so okay one by one and we'll come back to the body count thing actually or you want let's let's have did you want to finish your point before

Alexawe go on to the I was finished you was saying about parbond and I was just going you were saying something about that no I was saying the argument is that cuz he's saying that men and women have different reactions when it comes to sexual sure promiscuity in that sense

Alexabut stats actually show that parab bonding is something that negatively affects both men and women the higher your body count is so it is harder for a man to actually find someone too long term the parab bonding it affects us

Brian Atlasboth my understanding though is it's more pre it's uh more pronounced in women it affects women to a higher degree than men do you know higher degree but I'm saying it happens for both you're saying it only happened to women no no I didn't I never said that I

Brian Atlasnever said that at all you you just said that how dare you say that how dare you uh you were you were going to say though why yeah I was going to say do you know what promotes parab bonding do you know

Qthe hormone that's involved exactly and who typically releases more of that women women exactly is thatto and I mean people it's

Qoxytocin and vasopressin but oxytocin but vas oppressing it makes us territorial you know oxytocin is what bonds and you release that during child birth during breastfeeding when you're hugged

Sophiawhen you're touched women release oxytocin a lot more than men do there was a there was a Ted Talk on this and I can't remember the names of the different uh chemicals really in your body but um but the studies showed that

Sophiauh that yes women release uh this like love hormone um when they have sex and but men don't um so men typically when they have sex with a woman that they're

Sophianot committed to they uh they might not be interested in her anymore they might like fall out of love whatever yeah but so for men when men start producing the love hormone it's uh once they are committed it doesn't have to be

Sophiaum and in the Ted Talk they said it doesn't have to be like you propose or you're married whatever but you have to have a certain like like commitment to this woman like you have to decide for yourself and that's so it's it is different for men and women yeah she's

Emilycorrect I think it's it's like the matter of who views sex as a commitment I feel like women generally view sex as a commitment in just a broad like in a big generalization a lot of women think like if I have sex with a man like

Emilysubconsciously you think he's going to date you he's going to want to take you seriously but for men it's actually the exact opposite Like You could argue like she said men don't release vastel pressent until they start like carrying

Emilyout like tasks and duties for a woman like once they start accomplishing things for her then they'll release that love hormone but if they're just having sex with a woman it's never it's never going to come like that because they're

Emilyjust not wired that way but that's why men have more casual sex and women I would argue don't have as much casual sex because for women it's not casual like we attach way more feeling to it so

Sophialike because you're run a risk of getting pregnant at the foundation well that's part of it but it's also like um the quote uh women give sex for love and Men Give Love for

Brian Atlassex yes word yeah word where were we before I we were talking about we need to finish here

Brian Atlasmuch um yeah I mean this kind of I already said like peace and doesn't quarrel but like I think one of the most important things you need to do as a guy is protect your peace at all costs so a

Brian Atlascorome woman is enough to upend your life and look a COR a man who's got serious issues will also severely up a woman's life but you add mental

Brian Atlasillness into the picture oh great could ruin your life so one of my preferences I don't know if I want to go here no you should say it ill women well I'd say no major mental

Brian Atlasdisorders like bipolar BPD any cluster B personality disorders APD BPD HPD NPD no self harm suicidal liation what if wait I have a question what if somebody um

Sophiawas like severely like depr like had um like what's it called like U like major depression and and went through that phase of um having like Suicidal Thoughts but then worked through it and is doing better like had that history but has like taken action in

Claireresponsibility would that be an exception or would you still like no yeah that would be my question what if you knew they had like a solid support system like they see a therapist they see a psychiatrist consistantly red flag

Brian Atlaswhy is it a red flag so you're calling me a red flag but what I'm probably a red flag to you I'm here I am maybe because I'm bipolar you know so well there's degrees to there's degrees to

Brian Atlasthat bipolar can manifest itself in different ways um look it's possible that I could meet a woman who who has one of these things and she's got it under control

Qum just I get what you're saying what if it could genetic like she can't what if you're genetic and you're and you're short yeah but see that's what he's talking about I mean this is dating is

Qnot fair like at the end of the day dating is not fair attraction is not fair it's just the way it is we have certain proclivities and tendencies to want to date people who are you know don't

Qpossess certain qualities and when you talk about personality disorders a lot of those are genetic so we run the risk of our kids possibly being exposed to that or them having that themselves like our kids being like that but it can

Qobstruct the relationship it can obstruct our ability to bond it can obstruct the way we resolve conflict the way we manage conflict and that's why it's more of a headache dealing with a woman who has those kind of issues I've dated women who who've been in therapy

Qand I will say that therapy doesn't always work the way that it should it doesn't work if you don't apply it and they still fall into the same behavioral patterns the same behavior tendencies that create conflict in a relationship and after a while is just cyclical it

Clairerecurs over and over and then you're just like I had enough I can't do it don't want to do it can I add to that I mean I can't speak for everyone I can only speak for myself but I deal I mean I don't deal with them as bad anymore but I deal with like debilitating like

Clairepanic attacks um and I've I've been seeing a therapist and I see a psych like I'm not secretive about that and I think when most people go to therapy they think this therapist is like a doctor they're going to fix all my

Claireproblems and I'm going to be good and it's really like that therapist is just there to listen to you and support you and you have to put in the work for yourself to get to that place where you can communicate with your partner and

Clairewhen you do have like for me if I had a panic attack I could you know calm down from that and then like explain to them like what happened and I just feel like like for me personally going to therapy like I've learned how to communicate

Sophiawith people so much better that's cool yeah that's what therapy is can can confirm and and you have to put in the work you can't just like yeah she said a

Samlot of people just go on like um medication and then they think that's your preference though some men can handle women like with that men with a lot of patience do you not have patience

Brian Atlasit depends I'm patient it depends I'm pretty I'm pretty patient I have but it's in the same way that see I think maybe this is a shocker because most men are not really open with their

Brian Atlaspreferences standards and boundaries women often never hear Men actually articulate what they want it's better if a man speaks about it though right but look I

Sammean you said that sorry what was the word you Ed that you said handle not handle we don't want I don't want to have to handle somebody I meant it in a way where it's like they're

Samcapable of sitting there and listening to you and like understanding it but why why if you're dealing with a man who has options and there's a woman oh if he has

Brian Atlasoptions I'm not going to talk to him like is if I want to pursue something with him and he doesn't and he's still seeing those people Whatever by but in the same way that women just like her

Brian Atlasshe went on 14 dates with 14 different men in 14 days she picked of those 14 men keep in mind she had 14 other dates planned for the next two weeks she

Brian Atlaspicked the most Optimum men of the 14 in that same way men are also entitled well maybe entitled is not the right word men

Brian Atlasare also able to pick the most Optimum partner sure so I my personal view is that and I I don't see how this is like

Emilya crazy hot take is it's not it's it's also one of those don't date people who have mental illness I think it's actually commendable for Brian to admit that he can't handle that because there

Brian Atlasit's question of handling in the same way that I don't want to handle a woman who's a murderer no I know that I'm just hand a woman who's who pyro you shouldn't have to handle it it's not

Emilyyour your responsibility to handle it I was just trying to make a point of I know men that will get into relationships with women that have disorders like that and lie and act like they can and then when the woman is disappointed after a couple weeks or

Emilymonths because they realized this man just left them in the side of the dirt when they had a manic episode like wouldn't you rather have a man dismiss you right away for your mental illness rather than lead you on for months thinking that he can deal with that he

Emilyactually can't like I feel like that's more respectful that he could admit that he doesn't want to be in a relationship with someone like that because it would just make tell people right away that I'm bipolar you know like if would we're

Emilyjust having a conversation about it like no yeah I'm just I'm just saying like it's it's actually better of being a better person to State your preference straight out like that than lying to someone saying that yeah I'm fine with that and then after a couple weeks they

Clairerealize what that actually entails and then they're like oh no and then they've just hurt your feelings and and treated you like well I could see that because if someone was like oh I don't want to I don't want to see you anymore cuz you're mental mental illness I'd probably like I that's a little up okay I don't want to have a

Brian Atlasrelationship with you any I mean we're probably just incompatible like at the end of the day then yeah sure you do you word look again could I meet a woman who does have

Brian Atlasone of these disorders and she's got it really under control and she's got a strong Constitution and a strong mind yeah yes however it is kind of my general practice unless proven otherwise

Brian Atlasin some way to avoid people who have like cluster B personality disorders it's just like I dated a girl who had BPD wasn't good was not good and I

Brian Atlasluckily it wasn't that severe but even for like that caused so much issues in the relationship and so I think one of the most important things you can

Brian Atlasprotect for from a man I mean look women can do this too I think women and women are very selective already don't get involved with men who have the capacity and capability to

Brian Atlasabsolutely destroy your life and it happens to be the case that people who are mentally unstable if you if you break up with somebody the normal thing is oh hey sorry didn't work out I wish

Brian Atlasyou the best take care you break up with the wrong person and they will stalk you they will ruin your life they will stress you the out they will Aid you so both men and women but I you know I'm speaking from the

Brian Atlasmale perspective you should not get involved with women who have the capacity to absolutely destroy and ruin your life same with women you should not get involved with men who have the capacity to absolutely up your life so you got to you got to be

Clairevery selective here depend so they have to be pretty pretty mentally ill for you not to want to be with them though cuz I feel like that's like what do you mean like is like common sense to me here no no yeah

Claireno and I'm agreeing with you but I'm just saying like I I thought you meant like like if you have any mental ill cuz you said Psychiatry therapy that's a red flag so it sounded like you're like any mental illness period but it sounds like

Brian Atlaslike I said if you anxiety what's that like even anxiety you would well I mean look I I have anxiety I used to have panic attacks and what I did was um occasionally I still have some

Brian Atlasanxiety uh I saw like a person who specialized in it I had like a month of sessions and luckily you know I was able to have you ever been depressed huh have you ever had like a stage in your life

Samwhere you felt somewhat depressed have I ever been depressed it doesn't have to be like extreme it's just like you had a point in your life where you felt really

Brian Atlaspeople say there's like there's clinical depression right so I'm not I don't think I've had that but like are there periods in my life where I have not been happy or been

Brian Atlasupset about things or depressed I suppose you could say yes but I didn't well I think this is a big difference between men and women and so

Brian AtlasI think talk therapy well it's not clear to me if that even helps women but um as a man I don't want to talk about my problems I want solutions to my problems

Brian Atlastalking about my problems does nothing so facts I am kind of talk therapy to me is kind of what have uh cognitive behavior therapy what are your

Brian Atlasopinions on that I think uh I haven't I'm not super familiar with it but I think that's like changing your behaviors to B on changing your thoughts but that's like um something

Brian Atlasthat's actionable but just going to a therapist to almost like talk therapy is yeah to me I don't think that would help me I I either everybody's different though well my so my view on

Brian Atlasit is if I have an issue I need I either need to have a solution or if there is no solution then I need to accept the situation and talking about it for me is

Samnot really GNA be alleviating in you can always go out and do things too like go on a run or go on a hike and it'll help like the anxiety and like being sad or going out

Samwith like friends going to get dinner or something but for other people like if it works for other people that's fine it's better because they're not like they're not in an environment where

Samthey're around people who they are able to speak to if they are down and so sometimes it's like your therapist truly doesn't know maybe who you are but it's sometimes nice to just let it all out

Brian Atlasand someone's just listening and you get that advice at the same time sure and there I think there perhaps might be some benefit if you are uh like gri

Brian Atlasgrieving there are therapists that can I think hospice will actually offer uh if if you had a loved one in hospice and they passed away they'll offer therapy and there's people who are

Brian Atlasspecialized in helping people deal with grief when a loved one dies I I think that's okay but like the I don't know me

Brian Atlaspersonally I don't think going to somebody and talking to them about my problems for me anyways would be particularly helpful if it helps other people cool but yeah okay continue uh

Brian Atlasthat's pretty much it just look ultimately at the end of the day you need to protect your piece um this is my advice to men and I opposeed to women too um somebody who's quarrelsome it's going to up your life and you

Zoeknow add some of these other things into the picture can ruin your life so I think people should be very very careful with who they get involved with I have a question yeah do you know the book called why men love why men love

Brian Atlashave you heard of that book no what's it's a very it's a good book who wrote it um I don't know her name why men love yeah

Brian Atlaspsychology is it is it like a joke like is is it actually making the argument that men love women yeah yeah that's that's absolute it's not like it's like they don't

Emilywant a woman that can be walked all over yeah you have to read the book to understand the name is like a catch what's like the top three things

Zoethat it's um I didn't finish the book but I my it was my friends and she took it back well what's you read it oh no I've just heard of it on I just know that the

Emilyno I I know I just heard of it what's it called I can explain love why men love read half the book and I just heard one woman say that why men are

Brian Atlasattracted to a strong woman who stand hold on let me let me find the Amazon here I'll I'll read it for everybody here do you have it Nick October Au and

Brian Atlasit's okay o uh released in October October 1st of 200 oh whoa whoa October 1st it's October 1st uh 2002 uh let's see the uh discover

Brian Atlaswhy men are attracted to strong independent women with the straightforward accessible dating guide from New York Times blah blah blah okay do you feel like you are too nice uh why men are attracted to a strong woman who stands up for herself

Brian Atlaswith Saucy details on every page this non-nonsense guide reveals why a strong woman is much more desirable than a yes woman who routinely sacrifices herself the auth provides compelling answers to

Brian Atlasthe tough questions women often ask why are men so romantic in the beginning and why do they change why do men take nice girls for granted why does a man respect a woman when she stands up for

Alexaherself yeah uh it's just about being an independent woman and like oh is that what men want that's well wouldn't you make the argument though would you make the argument if you're independent don't

Zoewant to be in a relationship sorry say that if you want to be independent you don't want to be in a relationship don't agree with that I think like you can be independent and still be in a relationship but the literal meaning it's so saying

Alexaself-sufficient is one thing but saying that you want to be independent means you do not want anyone yeah cuz the opposite of that is interdependent yeah I mean I just I disagree with

Emilythat the the the title immediately I like to be independent in different ways like with relationships though okay I think the book's mostly about not um not

Emilylosing your entire life it's like not being complely obsessed to where you your idty your like would you want your girlfriend to not have any sort of identity or

Emilypersonality to where she's only revolving around you she changes do yeah no you just be dating like you just be dating like a puppet like perfect

Emilygreat that does not up sign me up where are all these you say that but like after a while you'd get pretty turned off if a girl was just complet completely 100% of the time only

Emilyfocusing on you she' like to not focus on she' neglecting all of her like uh educational needs physical needs going to the gym she wouldn't be doing any of that she'd be only focusing wouldn't that be in attractive that's like such a

EmilyI don't never think it's I don't ever think has ever happened like that inity there is women like that that will lose I have known women in high school that will forget about everything going on in their life because one man looks in their Direction and then they're

Brian Atlasobsessed with it mon that's dope sign me up where she at do you like Girls huh you like needy girls uh I you'd have to present to me the behaviors I mean the title of B constantly stuck to you you

Brian Atlasdidn't text me back fast enough oh I don't like that said someone would ruin your life after you broke up but but then she's quarreling yeah see I want a girl who is however I'm acting she she's

Brian Atlascool with it like con like post you on inst like for example let me let me just clarify that point I just made so for example I I'm I'm a bit introverted I'm the type of person that needs a bit of space so I'm not at least certainly

Brian Atlasearly on in a relationship I can't see you every day like one I'm just very busy with my work I've got a lot of stuff going on I'm not going to be calling you every day so I'm not going

Brian Atlasto be texting you every day I'm super busy I'm preoccupied you can't even shoot one text though wait so's see that's pretty tough for me not GNA lie it's pretty hard so it's pretty tough if

Samyou're dating a person yeah that's fair you don't text them every day to like how are you doing how early on are we talking here early on no you're not getting a text every day from

Brian Atlasme even if you're in a relationship with them how boyfriend and girlfriend how would we've been talking for a month no I mean after you're official depends no

Brian Atlasyou first go on a date with somebody yeah you might not if it if it went super well would you text them the next day maybe maybe like 6 months in you might get a couple texts a week what the what okay then you're obviously not

Brian Atlasinto the the woman yeah you're not into her you're texting her like I part of it with okay you got to understand part of it with me is that I'm I'm an OG okay I'm a boomer okay we forgot I didn't

Samused to hold on let me show you my old phone okay hold on one sec you could write her a letter wait I forgot to ask you this used to be my phone okay you see this thing you see this yeah looks

Brian Atlaslike the it's like from like Ghostbusters and then look I had this one boom look at that it has the what was it the called you still use it huh no I have a I still have a home button

Brian Atlasthough on my uh respect keep the home iPhone SC 2022 it's better I like the home button um I I remember when people didn't have access to you

Brian Atlas247 and this apply this kind of applies in the workplace too where it's like I don't know some jobs it's like you got a cell phone okay you're getting texts all the time you're responding to emails all the time I remember

Emilywhen people didn't have constant access to you so I'm an OG so I just huh I'd get really annoyed if the guy I just started dating was texting me every single day that would literally turn me off so fast

Brian AtlasI would still want somebody be like Hi how are you how's your day also I'm like a little I'm a little autistic so like here's my thing right what is the utility I'm a little autistic probably

Brian Atlasso like what is the util probably what is the utility of just like oh hey you know like what what does it what

Sophiapurpose does it serve I mean like if wow I'm such a ass okay they know yeah like no I understand what you mean I actually you're saying yeah I

Sophiaactually switched to flip phone because I what exactly what you were saying I just got like so fed up with it I was like don't text me like if you need anything like call and it's like it's been a hard transition but like I I get that like desire for like you don't always want to be on your phone all the

Sophiatime however if you're in a relationship then yeah like she said like it would be a huge turn on it's like hello like we're dating like you can't text me like at least once a day cuz I feel like there is like different like you know and girls like they like to know like if

Sophiaespecially like if you're dating like they like to know that um that you're thinking about them or even if like they're interested like that like that's something that girls for I know what you mean what I recommend to men is um who

Brian Atlasmight be like me who are semi- autistic and um you should what I think I am um think most people do there yeah

Brian Atlasmaybe I'm not diagnosing right gentlemen if you have an iPhone I'm looking into this yeah I'm looking into this there's a thing in the accessibility section of your iPhone

Brian Atlaswhere you can automatically send out a text message every single day at a specific time how did you find it's a thing so just if your chick

Sophiawants good morning text just schedule that I honestly would not mind that I was girls that yes yeah no the guy that I was talking to last I was like can you just set a like can you text me good night I was like can you set a reminder on your phone and he like he

Samwouldn't do it I'm like I don't I don't even care if you schedule a text like I just I need consistency I don't even care you know don't tell me but I don't care you're not used to it that's I'm not used I text who I'm with every

Brian Atlassingle day see that's too much but I'm 18 years old wait she also snapped on the ceiling I'm old she called me old guys can we can can we get some uh paper towels it's okay it's just some water

Brian Atlasright yeah yeah it wasn't wasn't too big it didn't fall into her lap it's oh no Alexa jump like she was the Wicked Witch of the East but what I was saying though was

Samlike I'm I'm 18 years old about to be 19 so it's a lot different for me yeah because it's like everybody's in college you have free time like damn you is that

Brian Atlasthe good te people obviously have time oh we don't we don't have oh yeah we don't have any paper's mom I am Mom of all my friends so sorry sorry continue with your point go ahead

Samno no no what I'm saying is like we we're both 18 years old We're Young we have time on our hands even though we're in college we're not having like a serious job we're still going to school

Sambut it's like we don't have a serious job so I'm able to text the person I'm with every day and usually it's the same way around like sure hey what are you doing like how's your day oh do you want to like FaceTime if you have time later

Alexayou want to go on a phone call so I can hear your voice it's like the little thing but I would argue one thing about that too is when this is one thing that I think the younger generation doesn't to uh is like you don't give them a

Brian Atlaschance to miss you mhm I would agree I think when the guy doesn't text you back all you do is think about him so imagine if you actually did that a little bit too by the way I'm not I'm not doing this as like a game I'm just genuinely

Brian Atlasso busy oh same not I'm not a good texter admittedly but in person you'll have my undivided attention however uh like

Zoebecause to me it's like okay I pick up my phone then how's your day it's very token to me I don't know so yeah I like I have to like consciously make the

Zoedecision like okay like next 5 hours like I'm not texting him or else I will text him cuz like I want to but like now I have to like play a game because it's not playing a game it's it's going and

Alexafocusing on you and doing your thing and then when you get to talk to it's like it's it's that whole thing of also saying like again even if you're not texting them you're still thinking about them this whole 5 hours right so it's it's one of those things it's like have

Brian Atlasyour own life Do Your Own Thing text your girlfriends that's what the book says okay there you go yeah the book oh yeah we were talking about the book why

Brian Atlasmen love um I don't think that's true I don't think men love women strong I don't think we

Brian Atlaseven the title is not like women title's not representative of the book really it should be the book the book mathematics we talk about

Emilybiology like what it's just like I don't know it's okay um it's not I think they're trying to like make the word positive or something yeah that's what I that's what it seems like because I don't think that's a a woman

Brian Atlasis a if she's strong so I think it's a stupid title the title's probably it's uh not clickbait but it's getting oh what

Sophiaoh like the subtle art of not giving a I actually haven't I've been recommended that book it's on my list but just like the title is just like really out there good times um we're almost three hours in and we still

Brian Atlashaven't gone all the way around relationship status ask question about oh yeah oh my

Brian Atlasapologies senior J Butler so important um what was the question would you okay really quick we'll go around the table on that would you sleep with someone who had G

Samherpes no or date be in a relationship with no why the no some women might be that's so unfair unless I like seriously love them unless I love them but we would have to

Clairelike use or whatever but that doesn't work sometimes either so if we have a strong connection we're in a serious relationship and they're like hey this is something that I deal with I would probably be like I don't know if I was

Clairereally into them we have a strong connection they're not seeing anybody else I'd be like let's figure out a way like I don't know to do it where it's safe and also if we not sleeping with

Claireother people it's not like we're like spreading it around either so sure but but what if you break up what if I what if you catch it what's your name again what are you what are

Brian Atlasyou doing under the table there are you texting no no no no no rude I just he texted it back oh who's he who's he the three week cut wait did we ask you to text I think did we ask you to text

Samsomebody what did what did we what was that I just said hi and he was like he like he said I watched it oh he's watching the show and I was like

Samwait really and he's like no yeah I heard the entire story and is he still down for you or no I told him if he wanted me to call him after so we'll see what he he says

Samwait he he wants you to call him after no I asked him if he did cuz he was like kind of concerned he's like don't don't say my name and I was like no I won't I'm not that up okay cool but

Claireyeah good times um so you'd be cool with the I guess I mean there's a lot of people out there that don't have herpes that's also an option I yeah I but that yeah that's I mean It's just tough for

Claireme cuz I'm not having sex with a person until we're in a committed relationship so it's not like I'm going to know that like right off the bat you know what about you I'm same I'd have to be in a committed relationship long term and then we talk about it but it wouldn't be a deal breaker for you if not if not if

Sophianot if it's a potential longterm lifelong partner no okay Emily what about you um probably deal Breer Okay Sophia the only person I would sleep

Sophiawith going forward is my future husband and if he has a past uh but has you know changed and that's the situation then we

Lynncan figure it out together okay it's a deal breaker for me yeah I would say that it's also a deal

Brian Atlasbreaker uh was this just to the girls I think oh uh q no it was the guys too it's probably a deal breaker 100 100% a

Brian Atlasdeal breaker for me 100% it's just look I mean if for you if it's not okay I just think there's a lot of fish in the sea

Brian Atlasand if you don't have it I guess I mean if you already had it then well OB like okay whatever but if you didn't have

Claireit why well I just think that like like I said it's not something I'm going to know like right off the bat we're not going to go on a date I'm be like do you have herpes like you I would hope they

Brian Atlaswould disclose to you at early I mean I know you're you're not I I know that you're not trying to jump in the sack immediately because you're you're like waiting you're a virgin

Claireyou're waiting for your long-term partner I get that but your long-term partner need not be someone who has herpes I mean I definitely prefer that but like in the scenario that cuz I don't think that's just going to like

Sophiacome up in regular conversation so if like we're that should be on them to disclose that I think yeah but why would they bring it up if they want sex wait why would they bring it up if they're trying to why would they disclose it yeah why would they disclose

Sophiait with you if they because that's the moral and ethical thing to not yeah but not everyone would do the moral ethical thing I think that's like I think oh is Nick you think it there might be there

Brian Atlasmight be some there might be some criminal liability to not disclosing sure there is like if there's if you know if you know that you have whatever it is and you have sex with somebody

Brian Atlaswithout disclosing I mean then that that can you there's no it's not consent or I don't know whatever so if they tell you if they tell me early on then it is a deal breaker but if it's like if yeah I'm not

TTS/Chatgoing to throw away develop relationship you know sorry hold on just C Leon donated $100 women want a text today because they are paranoid that you're cheating

TTS/Chatif I miss texting my chick she accused me of cheating I mean I was cheating on her I wanted to see how much I could get away with so their text request is reasonable

Brian AtlasCurtis Leon hey thank you very much man for your uh TTS there really appreciate this reminds me of that Mitch Hedberg joke it goes something along the lines of I used to do drugs I still do but I used to

Brian Atlastoo okay um thank you Curtis appreciate it um okay so we went over your relationship situation um you can do an impression a mort impression can we hear that really quick

Emilyum okay um let me think of what to say really quick who like from Madagascar madag he's so cute do it he's a little lemur do it

Unknownokay stop stop do do it yes you can just do it Emily

Emilyokay go King Julian can you please bring your kitties upstairs no what no kitties come upstairs she has allergies please

UnknownKing Julian I want to fit them so bad that's do it oh my get rid of sh that was good yeah sh that's all I'm

Brian Atlasdoing I'm going to pretend like you didn't just make my dick go soft you asked for it what the wait question if a guy if a guy

Emilyasked you to do that in bed would you do it never in bed no but I've had multiple guys like I'm I've had like one guy was dating thought it was hilarious and so so Emily let's say you and me were

Brian Atlasdating and I was like Emily can you do the mort voice while I'm while we're being intimate no that's a fetish what if no no no but like what if you really cared about me what if you I

Brian Atlasining huh I believe in King shaming you believe in King shaming but you listen I'm I'm kind of the part like it depends I'm kind of the person like you know you got if the your your

Brian Atlaslady friend if she has something kind of interesting or if your guy has something kind of interesting maybe indulge them in it you know what I mean and if it happens to be the case that I'm Into You

Emilysaying some weird like in the mort accent just go for it Mort's not sexy though I feel like a like a sexy I mean prob let's hear a sexy thing can you can can you do a sexy thing I can't

Brian Atlasdo a sexy se oh yeah you just you just came in in a really interesting time um okay what about you

SophiaSophia um okay so currently single um longest relationship like official relationship was 3 months

Sophiaum yeah that was really like my only like real relationship that I consider because I had another one but it was like like a week of being official and from like first day to break up like

Brian Atlasthree weeks so it was really like nothing so my in the pre-show information you provided you're my you're a Christian correct yes and you're also waiting for marriage is that

Sophiacorrect yes and you're a virgin uh no oh okay yeah like re what is it called re born again whatever yes so yeah um I

Sophiawanted is that a thing can you be a born again virgin well okay so I messed up and um and now I regret it and so I'm not going to mess up again because I

Sophiahave done that mistake once already sex is a mistake for me it was I I regret it so um and I I think so I'm a Christian so I base um my worldview I have a

SophiaBiblical worldview so I believe that sex was intended for one man and one woman husband and a wife um but I also I wanted to wait until marriage before I

Sophiaslept with my ex um and so I I do regret it but because I made that mistake once already now I'm even more determined to not make that same mistake again because

Sophiaand this is like an advice that I would give to um younger women or women my age whatever who uh who haven't who are who are virgins and haven't had sex yet and maybe you're on the fence about it or

Sophiastruggling whatever um I would say that for me waiting until marriage it would have been really difficult but it would have

Sophiabeen so worth it so and so you just had that one guy yes okay gotcha so let's see like I've like had like stuff in

Brian Atlashigh school but not all the way not yeah no okay um you said your current relationship situation is complicated LOL um that's sadly kind of over this is

Sophiathis is like very like fresh so it's uh it's like kind of sad but um so okay so I was talking to someone that I have

Sophiaknown for 5 years um it's it's complicated because of like the little details like when I first met him he was married and then his wife just decided uh that she just wanted a divorce like she um they were both like Christian

Sophiawhen they got married but she left the faith left the church left him said it's been fun but I'm ready to move on with my life um and

Sophiathen I found out about their divorce like January 2022 so then when I like we were already friends but then we started talking more and

SophiaI have liked him like before I even like knew what he looked like I like I overheard a conversation that he was having at our University went to uh the same school and um and I didn't like look around to see who it was and I regretted I'm like who was that guy I'm

Sophianever going to I thought I was never going to like see him again cuz I thought like oh our University is so big but I ended up did I didn't meet him and we did become friends and then I found out he was married not like he wasn't wearing the ring I just didn't put two

Sophiaand two together um but then immediately like shut down all my feelings for him and then we were were just friends for for a while and then there was like at one point it was like fall 2020 where we

Sophiawere um talking on the phone um I was going through a rough time and um and also I was like still hung up over hung hung up over my ex yeah um wait can I just jump in here really quick so yeah

Brian Atlascan I just read this to you what you wrote to us and then maybe that'll help guide the conversation a little bit so you said I know I want to marry my best friend oh hold on okay well a good time to interrup

TTS/Chatyou9 there are multiple settlements for purposeful Transmissions of her's filth of $1 million or more for the panel one by one would you date a person with her

Brian Atlasplease and don't say no to this answer then turn around and say your body count doesn't matter wait uh Jay Butler you just you asked this in your previous and we just I don't know if you're just

Brian Atlastuning back in but uh we we just uh went around the table on this would you date a person with wait hold on did he ask

Brian Atlaswould you sleep with a person and then he said date the well the the previous one he says would you sleep with someone who had G herpes and then the next this

Emilyone is would you date I think he added the last part where he says don't say you wouldn't date them and then say body count doesn't matter I think he included that that's actually very that's a good argument he included that yeah because

Brian Atlaslike people people who like oh body count doesn't matter would you be so quick to defend then they'd be like I wouldn't date someone with herpes but it's like they got herpes because of their body count most likely so know what their rebuttal would be though well you can get herpes the first time you

Emilyever have sex true but what was the body count of the other person that they had sex with because usually it's because they've had had like 20 partners and then when you have sex with them you've had sex with their 20 partners and then you get their herpes and I'm I'm not

Brian Atlassaying that that's like what I that was just I'm uh what's it called that's the argument that they would make but I think it's a poor argument because like yeah typically the

Brian Atlasfirst time you have sex like more like you're not likely to get herpes under those circumstances your risk of getting herpes increases the more sexual partners you've had so um Good Times so

Brian AtlasButler do you want you want us to go around again but this time date a per okay really quick uh would you instead of would you sleep with a person who has Herpes would you date a person who has Herpes just yes or

Brian Atlasno I don't know it's kind of the same thing say it's the same thing I mean if you wouldn't sleep it then why date them no also I'm not going to sleep with is it the same answer the answer you gave before is it the same answer for for me

Claireit would be different well cuz for me it was like the first scenario would I sleep with them well the first I mean like the first standard is that we to committed relationship Raven DT donated

TTS/Chat$100 remember when you have sex you are also having sex with all of their past partners um not

Brian Atlasliterally you're just saying if they carried anything over to you technically Raven DT uh there is something to be said there though when it comes to

Emilypotential STD risk when it comes to I don't know like was this soul ties stuff it's your exposure to all of the STDs like don't you guys remember in health class when they showed you just because you are losing your virginity

Emilyand having sex with one person they have had sex with two people that person they had sex with had sex with 100 so then you're actually having sex with 105 people got it well let's come back to you Sophia so I was I'm not okay I'm not

Sophiagonna make this like too long but yes well I was just gonna read it to you so you said you want to marry your best friend I did want to marry him yeah and he was my best friend not anymore though no okay so so anyway so when we were

Sophiagetting like kind of close like on the phone um I then I like backed away because he was still married but then I found out that he was divorced and then we started talking more frequently so

Sophialike I said I had liked him from the beginning shut my like completely shut those feelings down but then I started to like him again didn't think that he liked me that way but then I found out he does but then he wasn't ready for a

Sophiarelationship so we were kind of like for almost 2 years now we had been in this um like like emotionally it's like we're dating but we're not officially dating but we're definitely more than friends

Sophiaum for certain periods of time like we'd be talking on the phone um like for hours and several times a week um and then for uh several months he'd just

Sophiakind of disappear and uh and as of recently um so I had just moved to California last month like maybe like 6 weeks ago little over six weeks ago and

Sophiaum and the last time I saw him the last time I spoke to him really was um right before I left I went to visit him that

Sophiawas my first stop on my way I I drove um and he hasn't called or texted me once

Sophiato check up on me see how I was doing and that really hurt and there's just nothing left there anymore like it's nothing that I can do because I'm the one reaching out to him and he doesn't respond um he doesn't call he doesn't

Sophiatake my calls or text back or give me a call back or anything and um and I let him know like how hurtful that was like Hey like I'm essentially like all on my own here like I didn't really know

Sophiaanyone when I moved here and for you moved here for him no no he's back in Virginia oh so I moved away but also for my job it's hurtful I moved for my job but it's like a temporary contract so I

Sophiaonly here until this school year and I plan to move back to Virginia and also it's not like we're in a relationship because he said I I very much wanted a relationship like I wanted to marry him but he said he wasn't ready for a

Sophiarelationship and he kept saying that like I shouldn't base my life decisions based off of like I said well I'm going to I'm going to wait until you know whether you're ready or not like that's how much I like this guy um and he said well no don't base your decisions off of that like he was like trying to

Sophiaencourage me to like date other people at the same time like he also has uh feelings for well he says he's like so like emotionless and doesn't have feelings ings whatever but then he did

Sophiawant to like be with me at one point like he agreed he agreed to go on a date but then like I know how it sounds but he agreed to go on a date and then he it evolved from he was saying like last

Sophiasummer he said he doesn't think that he's capable of a healthy relationship but I think a lot of that has to do with like the hurt from the divorce and then it went from that to okay now I just need because he is a Christian I just

Sophianeed to figure out if it's if it would be morally right for me to to remarried because he already been married and he's divorced and also he's like Christian leaning Catholic and so am I Catholic Church yeah they're very strict on

Sophiadivorce well he's divorced well aren't they more strict on the divorce thing than theed thing but but so in America like if one person wants to get divorced there's really nothing you can do it's just a matter of

Sophiatime and so that's the position that he was in like he tried to work it out and there was just nothing that he like he couldn't convince her otherwise so now the question is um like like biblically um like morally would it be right for

Sophiahim to remarry or would that be a sin if he remarried um and the only way he could do that is if he got his first marriage analed okay so there's a lot there there's a lot there um for sure so

Sophiaquestion you when you met him and you were talking with him he was married at that point cuz you said you guys were talking for two years well we were we were friends but we were mostly just friends through mutual friends so every

Brian Atlastime i' see him it would be like in a group setting well but were was he still married when it seemed like your interaction started veering into a romantic realm instead of a friendship

Sophiarealm a little me on my my part I felt I felt an emotional feels forri wait wait I I did but that's when I took a step back and I stopped talking well I mean but that's when I stepped back you're

Sophialusting after a married man I know that's why I took a step back because I realized that wasn't you're still pursuing him romantically no no but okay so that was that was fall 2020 I we were talking on the phone and I realized that

Sophiaoh I'm starting to catch feelings for him and then I took a step back and I did not call him on the phone he actually at like I was going through a really rough time with like my depression and everything and he asked if I wanted to get lunch and I said no and I I did I wanted to get lunch with

Sophiahim but I knew that that's not a good idea and then when I saw him like okay so then so okay so timeline okay so that was fall 2020 that was fall 2020 right then I got over those feelings because I didn't CU I took a step back I didn't

Sophiatalk to him for a long time took a step back she did take a step back and then when I found out that taken keep going when I found out that he was divorced divorce happened that's when that like and I asked him about it like what

Brian Atlashappened and um it was you wasn't it you were the poison apple okay that's not what happen that led to his imminent

Sophiadivorce you right am I I saw his wife now ex-wife at a coffee shop at one time I never met her but I recognize her from pictures did not I didn't even go up to

Sophiaher cuz I didn't want to cause problems for them there was nothing between us wow I thought about it a bit no I wanted to go up to her and be like hey I'm friends with your husband and I was like no that's a bad idea I'm not going to do

Sophiathat the we only hung out in group settings hi I'm the woman who wanted to steal your husband from you she's living in La now and she's like definitely not living as a Christian like she just she was just like I'm done like it's been

Sophianice but I want to divorce now I want to move on with my life okay okay whatever so how old is this guy well okay he's uh I'm so I'm 24 he's 26

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