HEATED Debate With Man Hating Feminist?! IG Model KICKED OUT! | Dating Talk #122

Date: 2023-11-29

Duration: 6h 34m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKiki (co-host DT126)>

FFarah Khalidi >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_04Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_05Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_06Yamani/Lena(guest)

SPEAKER_07Fara Khalji(guest)

SPEAKER_08Mera(guest)

SPEAKER_09Yamani(guest)

SPEAKER_10Kiki(host)

SPEAKER_11Macy(guest)

SPEAKER_12Haley Herms(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteMacy recounts father placing gun in her hand at his own head at age 17

“he tried to have me murder him and like my best friend we like almost all died... he put a gun in my hand to have me try to kill him and was like holding my hand with the gun in his head”

Key MomentFara states she would let humanity go extinct rather than restrict LGBT rights

“I stated that I'm prioritizing autonomy over a utilitarian conception of prolonging the human race”

QuoteFara reveals 2020 suicide attempt during philosophical debate about autonomy

“my last suicide attempt was in 2020 let's not get into that”

ControversyMera calls Andrew's population replacement argument 'Hitler-like'

“you trying to replace the society that sounds like some Hitler that that's crazy”

ControversyBrian repeatedly insists Mera has fake breasts; she denies emphatically multiple times

“I don't know how many times I have to say this to you Brian you have... I already told you it's not true but you keep making me”

ControversyHaley claims you can't be racist against white people; Brian calls this statement itself racist

“I just don't think you can be racist against white people”

QuoteHaley reveals former sugar baby history and using OnlyFans earnings for Catholic grandmother's $25k funeral

“I used the money to pay for my Catholic grandmother's funeral”

OtherBrian kicks Mera off the show near the end (~6h31m) for persistent disruptive behavior

“bro get the [expletive] off the show leave just get up leave get up leave this is she's been one of the most disruptive guests we've ever had”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and relationship statuses

Guests introduce themselves with name, age, occupation, location. Then relationship status round. Mera (refuses to reveal age, ~33, Sherman Oaks, Twitch streamer, 4-year single 'boy phase'). Haley Herms (28, LA, plus-size model). Fara Khalji (24, Miami, content creator). Yamani (27, LA, bottle service/clothing). Lena (25, Delaware, OnlyFans). Macy (27, Mobile AL, insurance adjuster, married). Andrew Wilson (debate host, mechanical engineer, married 10+ years). Kiki (co-host).

Boy stage, terminology, and promiscuity norms

Discussion of the term 'boy phase' vs 'slut' for women. Whether men wife up promiscuous women. Debate on societal double standards for body count between men and women.

Kiki's relationship status and consent contract

Kiki describes 'complicated' status: met someone before China trip, gave him a written contract of negotiables/non-negotiables. He is still reviewing while she was away. Discussion of relationship contracts.

Mera's 100 dates in 2 months

Brian probes Mera about going on 100 dates in 2 months without finding anyone. Mera describes looking for connection and authentic experience. Discussion of age, fertility, egg freezing, and what she is actually looking for.

Guns and second amendment discussion

Panel asked if a man owning a gun is positive/neutral/negative. Andrew endorses gun ownership enthusiastically. Macy shares traumatic story of father holding gun to own head with her hand on it at age 17.

Yamani: men paying for her time off from bottle service

Yamani says men frequently offer to pay her bottle service wages (~$500+) to skip work and go on dates. Discussion of implications and transactional dating.

Feminist debate: promiscuity, population replacement, and autonomy

Andrew and Mera debate: does promiscuity harm society? Population replacement argument. Mera calls Andrew's replacement language 'Hitler-like' (misunderstanding). Extended hypothetical: would you let humanity go extinct to preserve autonomy/LGBT rights? Andrew says he would restrict certain behaviors to prevent extinction. Fara says she prioritizes autonomy over prolonging the human species.

Monogamy, nuclear family, and societal outcomes

Andrew argues monogamy and nuclear family optimal for children and society. Mera and Fara push back on imposing relationship structures. Discussion of women initiating 80% of divorces, stepfather risk data. Haley describes herself as socialist/feminist but Traditional Values in personal relationships.

Haley on communism and socialism

Haley describes herself as socialist with interest in communism. Discussion of whether communism works (small-scale communes vs large scale). Andrew argues communism requires compelled service. Haley defends communism as theoretical Utopia. Discussion of inflation, millennials, affordability of nuclear family.

Self-ratings (looks 1-10)

Panel rates own looks. Haley: 10 in fat community, 7.5 in society. Lena: 10 (confidence 10, societal 7-8). Brian: 5 (gained weight). Andrew: 6. Mera: 10. Yamani and Fara also 10. Rating round devolves into debate about fat attraction and political messaging.

Ideal sex frequency

Each guest shares ideal sex frequency. Mera: 2-4 times per day. Haley: once or twice a day. Mera reveals she takes birth control to reduce her high sex drive.

Haley's plus-size model career and OnlyFans content

Discussion of fat attraction, Andrew vs Haley debate over whether attraction to plus-size women is genuine or fetish. Haley claims shredded men are her top DMs. Her OnlyFans revenue from weigh-in/eating videos. Used OnlyFans earnings to pay for Catholic grandmother's $25k funeral.

Cosmetic procedures round

Brian asks who has had cosmetic procedures. Mera: deviated septum fix as child, lip filler yearly. Brian insists Mera has fake breasts; she denies multiple times.

Body count discussion

Body count round started. Andrew says he wouldn't be surprised if some women don't know their count. Discussion of double standards for high body count men vs women. Fara argues pair bonding applies more to women than men. Debate on whether men with high body counts are hypocritical for wanting low body count women.

Former sugar baby (Haley)

Haley reveals she had sugar daddy arrangements until age 22 (stopped after mother died). Charged $700 for date, $2500+ for time afterward. Total per visit $700-$5000. Had 2-3 sugar daddies, was intimate with 2. Dropped one after he revealed racist beliefs.

Mera kicked off show

Brian asks Mera to leave after she gets up from table and is disruptive. Cites her being obtuse, not staying seated, moving around repeatedly throughout show. Andrew notes timing was comedic (2 min before show end).

Transcript

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Macyall out well not I'm just saying that maybe in regard to her going on 100 dates in 2 months that maybe whatever she's looking for is outside of the room realm

Macyof that like an average person or or even in an above average person or oh I didn't know if you going to say

Merasomething I think power Dynamic is very important so whenever a woman starts making more than a man or providing more when it comes to like relationship or

Merahousehold Etc the question comes like what is the man for then that there has to be be some type of balance right there has to be something that he's giving back and then again

Meratraditional ways which you probably will agree they suffer too because if woman is the provider doesn't she become the dominant one in the relationship yeah I

Andrew Wilsondon't think it's um I don't think it's a power Dynamic thing see I I I would say the opposite I'd say that there's a different preference between different Sexes for the things they value in the other sex and so in this particular case

Andrew WilsonI don't think that men value for women women for the amount of money they make I don't think they give a about that I don't think they've ever cared about that there might be some men that you can point to but that's always the case right there's some men you can point to who might value this particular

Haley Hermsthing but in general that's not what they value do women wait wait wait wait hold on hold on you had quite a big reaction to what he just said so I mean there's so many guys in La what we call hobosexuals that are literally just like

Haley Hermsliving in their car on Tinder hinge whatever it is just to every night so that they have a place to sleep like they very much care I don't think in one

Andrew Wilsonof the worst Metropolitan Progressive Mecca cess pools which has ever existed um that's comparing the men there to you know this really small sample size to

Andrew Wilsonwell to just men on average globally like just think about this globally uh clearly if you look at the the traditions of mankind were women the

Haley Hermsproviders no kind of no not financially well oh yeah no I mean just not at all all I mean they were not the providers for the family but they're providers of cooking cleaning keeping the family

Andrew Wilsontogether fin yeah so we are talking financially well no it's even hunter gatherer if you were take a hunter gatherer Society who are the hunters and who are the gatherers didn't women used to gather very yes the the women

Andrew Wilsongathered and the men hunted right but the you need one with that but the when when we say like who's bringing home the bacon that's literally what we mean is the hard job is to go and kill the pig

Andrew Wilsonand and take it home the not to cook the that's the easy job the getting the pig that's the hard job why do you guys think maintaining a home is just so easy going

Andrew Wilsonoutside it's easier first of all women don't did you do it right women don't maintain the home what they do is they look after children who are inside the home they do some cooking and cleaning

TTS/Donationsthey don't patch the roof they don't wait hold on hold on hold on girl two dash have you ever been asked why are you bigger than me why do do you not go to the gym why do you not care for

Haley Hermsyourself why do you not care for your body response point I mean if you want to address yeah no literally life story um why are you bigger than me uh no I've

Haley Hermsnever been asked that by a guy that was actually sexually interested in me or dated me why do you not go to the gym just because I'm fat doesn't mean I don't go to the gym $200 you guys are insane go to my

TTS/DonationsInstagram profile you'll see me for the first time ever I am retired so she wins does not change a thing about our relationship I am the patriarch she is

Haley Hermsthe matriarch grid One Motorsports is a representative but it sounds like he can still let his wife live in femininity and that's a big thing of like power

Haley Hermsstructure and like that that ultimate like the masculine and The Feminine like femininity can't Bloom when you're forced to have masculine duties yeah but you prefer you said earlier you prefer

Andrew Wilsondominant men yes okay but do you think that those men prefer dominant women no and do you think that in my relationship yeah but do you think that in general that men prefer

Andrew Wilsondominant women so like if men if women or men really wanted masculine traits in women why wouldn't they just go for men I mean some of them should a lot of

Andrew Wilsony'all very very few of them do they obviously want the feminine part not the masculine part yeah yeah so so this my question for you is like since you it's your own

Andrew Wilsonexperience that this is what you prefer the men that you have around you don't prefer that yes then why would you make the assumption that this is somehow the

Andrew Wilsondynamic is completely 180 for everybody else uh sorry can you say that again yeah so if when he's going around he's asking do you prefer like um a dominant

Andrew Wilsonman to a non-dominant man do you think most women prefer to have a man who's more dominant yes okay so I would agree with that okay okay you would agree with that yes so what is the man's preference

Haley Hermsthen what's he looking for is he looking for a dominant woman no but I think I I think no but I think a lot of that has to do with like again the current like

Yamanitime we live in where girls are forced to be more masculine and well how are they forced to be more masculine um you know providing like is there's not as

Yamanimuch of like a lot of most girls have to like go get a job provide for themselves versus like before you could like marry some am I am I not saying anything I'm just

Yamanisaying in the past as a woman you were expect to like marry someone and that's how you secure yourself now you're expected as a woman to go get a job make

Macymake make money all of Y are single yeah that's the thing I don't get about it y all single so you're choosing to do that yes choosing What Choosing to get your

Macymoney and get your provide for yourself because you don't have a choice I mean you have a choice that's what I'm literally saying that's what I'm literally saying is that there you do have a choice she's been on a 100 dates

Yamaniand has been on maybe three or four say there's always a choice she could be with someone she doesn't like and never do anything never why are none of those 100 men worthy of dating her cuz she

Haley Hermsdon't like them why she got to like them what I'm saying is you're I think guys used to I don't even agree with

Haley Hermsthat guys used to be more providers and it was more like a common like popular thing especially as we like 50s 607s maybe this is also just like no I mean always sorry I'm trying to like get to

Macylike cuz I agree there right no and I I think I think we're just speaking about how y'all are living your lives versus how me and the people that I know live our lives is just very different and like the women

Haley Hermslike I don't know a that doesn't choosing to be single but like I don't know I don't haveing have you ever had a job have you ever wor you have a job like so if I wanted to be with those

Brian Atlasguys I should have made less money then or like no I'm saying like it can be it's the best of both World Hold on let me where did this stem from this conversation I think cuz we were talking about you're being a fist of masculine

Macyversus femin you're feminist but you I think you're choosing to be masculine that's what I'm saying you're choosing to live in your Mas how am I masculine I'm hold hold on hold on I'm just saying that you're that that

Macyyou're saying that the men are that you're encountering or being around are not providers and they're hoboing not no no no most guys I'm not going to lie because I live in LA so there's already

MacyI haven't dated the homosexuals but I have friends that have I don't I don't know what that even means like that's what I'm saying like we are just they just bum off women basically I'm guessing yeah that's I feel like that's the exception that's no like I literally

Haley Hermsknew a guy that was like modeling for Adidas but he was like sleeping in his car okay how frequently is that really occurring I don't even think major cities so he would like what you were saying earlier like the average

Brian Atlaslike if you go on let me ask you a question if you go on 10 Dates which proportion of them are these hobosexuals I would argue it's less than one I would

Brian Atlassayens you said you've never but you've never even encountered it out of my friend group okay me personally you haven't counter it it but your friend group what it's just I'm not as relaxed as my friends like they're like more

Brian Atlastrusting okay let's get the hobosexual thing is ridiculous and I don't feel like it's it's just such an outlier situation it's not even worth talking about but you said you're feminist with the traditional elements you made a big kind of grimmace when he said that men

Brian Atlasdon't really care about women's provisioning is that surprising to you that men are not really preoccupied with women's they never but I think then that for me that would just tell me that

TTS/Donationsyou're a secure man no no no that's most men don't care about the modest heima donated $200 hi my name is modest hikima my plan

TTS/Donationsis to find a woman to provide for and protect what is the point of dating someone that is a homosexual that is legit a bleeding red flag yes agre that's beautiful that's

Andrew Wilsonbeautiful go ahead with your point uh sorry wait ADHD yeah so we were getting into this exchange I was saying most men what they're what they value they don't value women because women give them

Haley Hermsstuff that's not why men value women they don't they don't give a about that for the most part they don't care women do what do you guys value but that's it's it's not even our stuff we're

Andrew Wilsontrying to get your stuff to maintain right you want to get so the value so the value here is that what I'm saying is that men value different things than women value okay so we're not interchangeable widgets there's things

Andrew Wilsonthat women generally want there's things that men generally want so women generally want materialism Source things like this here's an example of how you can kind of tell this so if you look at

Andrew Wilsonuh female voting patterns they mostly vote for security more than they do for the expansion of Freedom okay almost always whereas men kind of will vote the opposite way okay at least there was a

Andrew Wilsonhistoric trend of doing that they would almost vote the opposite way where they'll vote to kind of expand freedom in Le of security so one of the things I can maybe kind of tell you is that so

Andrew Wilsonwhat what what are women valuing here right they're valuing security yes not so much so the security comes from the material the stuff the house

Andrew Wilsonthe job the stability all of that those are the things that they value men not so they don't they don't care about any of that from woman they don't care if a woman's bringing home the bacon they don't care if they're bringing home the money they don't care about any of I

Andrew Wilsondon't know watching my dad was always so angry and passive aggressive and horrible to my mom because she was the bread winner but there's just you if if anytime we talk about this you just kind of point to the outlier right and be

Andrew Wilsonlike well okay but my dad didn't care about any of those things so then so then which one of us is right I don't know I really I just don't think you understand how many like insecure men

Haley Hermsare out there like yeah but what is it that they're valuing his oh look a status how it comes off to social media how it comes off to their peers you think most men care about that um men

Haley Hermschoose Partners men who are looking for something serious probably not men who are just like like we said earlier they're dating they're dating whatever they don't care it's just for an appearance for a time being whatever they can wash their hands and re here go

Meraahead Myra thank you bran I think the Dynamics are changing in our society these days and even though I do agree that generally speaking what you're saying is

Meracorrect and I feel like I am that next evolutionary that is kind of an exception from it because I feel like I'm Mentor realistically speaking good and I'm not looking for that safety I'm

Meranot looking for a man to provide it would be good if he would be on the same level so I don't have to pay for him I feel like the dynamic kind of changes there but for me I have other priorities and I think a lot of women these days

Meraconsidering they have more options to do what they want to do to become independent to make money the way that they want to make they have a lot more rights generally speaking if we look just

Merahistorically right so with that comes the freedom of choice so I don't think I would be able to do things that I do these days like a hundred years ago and

Andrew Wilsonwith that women become more masculine that's what I was saying in the beginning why wait why would they become more masculine because what's the masculine trait you're pointing to

Meraproviding providing is a masculine trait it's more being about ambitious goal oriented a lot more direct um so what you do it reflects on

Merayour personality greatly like imagine you're at home chilling you're making um I don't know tiing up the house it's completely different as opposed to going out in business meetings people so when you're

Andrew Wilsontalking about a masculine trade you think that being a provider is a masculine trade the things that you do to become a provider to have enough money yes okay so feminine trait would be

Merawhat traditionally speaking that would be taking care of the house kids cooking doing laundry things like that and that devation yeah sure and that develops like a different set of skills a

Andrew Wilsondifferent type of personal like your hormones change like I know that for myself since men so since men don't want the masculine traits and I don't think that most women want the feminine traits

Andrew Wilsonwhy would you continue to orient and move Society towards this where women are gaining more masculine traits just in Lee of the fact that they have to go

Meraprovide does that does that seem like sensible policy to you Independence so the feeling that you have the freedom to do what you want to do not depend on a

Andrew Wilsonman MH is intoxicating it's freeing so it's Hedonism compared to what our really what you're talking about is just

Andrew WilsonHedonism so even though these are are things which you think in society are pretty much bad the fact that now uh women are far more masculine and um you

Andrew Wilsonknow that's uh that's not good for the dynamic between men and women you would still say that well we should still have it we should still push towards it because after all for women it's good

Merathat they can have the choice to be heatness I think it's more about feeling powerful as opposed to power lless and I think balance is the key because even though I do feel independent I'm still

Meralacking this is the reason why I'm even going at a dates I'm lacking in that male presence that will at least be able to match me something that I can something that a person I can see as an

Brian Atlasequal somebody I can learn grow create with that feeling unfortunately is absent for me you wait I I just want to bring it back to the 100 dates thing you in the past two months you've gone on a

Brian Atlas100 dates and I'm assuming you've screened like there's probably other men that wanted to go on dates with you I'm I'm assuming not every guy that asked you on on Dat date you accepted there was probably okay first is he physically

Brian Atlasattractive he doesn't seem too weird just in this initial text conversation or however you met them so I mean it's it's pretty amazing to me that you've a

Brian Atlashundred dates in two months and you've not not one of and 100 dates 100 men not one of them is even suitable for a

Brian Atlasrelationship that that's pretty crazy I don't think relationship is what I'm looking for right now okay what are you looking for just some back somebody to no so then what are you if you're not looking for a relationship you're

Meranot looking for something casual what are you looking for because if you don't know what you're looking for then obviously you're going to encounter yes I'm just thinking about how I word that correctly I think for me what has the

Meramost value right now besides for growth as I mentioned just now is somebody who makes you feel and I think in this Society because people don't quite

MeraExpress themselves Mak you feel so you want to be entertained it's more about just being authentic and enjoying life and I feel like a lot of people just

Merasort of copy paste copy yeah they just they sort of do things that others are doing they copy pasting it they're not actually enjoying that it's just about

Haley HermsHedonism stuff you want right I don't even know my initial qu my initial question was a little murky there we're talking about such extremes though like

Brian AtlasI mean like for example like I just for example sake let's say wait wait wait wait wait hold on I just want to continue on this for a little bit so okay I was asking you what you're looking for you said you're not looking

Brian Atlasfor a relationship but you're also I'm not opposed to it though you're not opposed to it well uh I mean it's unfortunate you're not willing to reveal your age because I do feel like that

Brian Atlaswould give me a little more context cuz if you're 21 versus 31 I mean there's just do you want here let me ask uh do you want to get married no okay fair do you want to have

Brian Atlaskids at some point yes at some point yes okay so knowing your age would be helpful in this conversation because as Andrew pointed out there is uh time

Brian Atlaslimit when it comes to having children maybe she froze her eggs did you there's so many different ways to preserve uh your fertility see but this is a lie we tell women because actually even if you

Brian Atlasdo freeze your eggs granted it's an option my understanding is it's like 50% uh the the success rate of unfreezing them uh it's like 50% so it

Andrew Wilsoncould work but and they also often have to use different carriers right they have to use a different carrier than them to carry the child I'm not worried about procreation for me that's want

Merakids wait what's the goal so it is a goal so I'm going to be honest I feel like most of my life I was doing so much learning studying working that I haven't

Meraquite lived enough that I was told so much by parents people around Society what's good and what's not good to do that at this point I'm just balancing it out a little bit and I'm letting myself

Brian Atlasfeel it out breathe experience life that I find yourself right but what's the point got find myself what what's the purpose or the point of going on 100 dates what are you looking for cuz you

Merasaid what are we all looking for I feel like in the end of the day whenever we talk to other people it's connection one way another right but what are you practically looking for do

Brian Atlasyou want a long-term boyfriend you want marriage it sounds like you one day you want kids so I assume that you I'm assuming you'd want to have your own biological trilog with a man and I'm

Brian Atlasassuming you'd hope that man whether you get married or not remains in your life or not that's fine too you'd be you'd be okay with that absolutely you you wouldn't have any

Brian Atlasqualms like let's say there was no there it was just you you're just like I could take him or leave him the father of my children that's fine I'm not going to try to to get him to stay Con well but you

Brian Atlasjust said you're looking for connection wouldn't you want to have a great connection with your potential partner the potential father of your children absolutely yes but if that connection wears out or we have stronger connection

Brian Atlaswith other people it's perfectly fine to separate if well well hold on so if you're if you're in an otherwise healthy relationship with somebody but you meet somebody else that you have more

Brian Atlasphysical attraction towards or a stronger connection right but that let's say you're more physically attracted to them or for you maybe it's more important to have a strong connection if you feel a stronger connection to

Meraanother individual but your relationship is otherwise good you would leave so there's usually a reason father of your children so there's usually a reason as to why people even start looking or

Meragiving that idea like entertaining that idea in their mind as to why they would leave what you just said honestly is a Scarlet Letter and I don't think any man should ever commit to you and that is fine too because if your position is

Brian Atlaswhat if somebody else comes along who I have a better connection with that is not that should not be pretext for ending an otherwise healthy relationship certainly if there's children involved well that is what you just said yeah

Meraliterally let me paraphrase what I just said because it seems like you you understood that differently sure so if for whatever reason well okay usually the reason why one would leave a

Merarelationship would be that there are gaps in the relationship and let's say that what do you mean what do you mean by gaps let's say there's certain tension

Brian Atlasyou got to know the person better and it turned out that he or she is different and you're not enjoying it as much as you were what do you mean by enjoyment do you mean like having fun because it's

Brian Atlasnot clear to me if the ultimate goal you arguing right let's say that's people couples argue as long as right if it becomes most of the time okay if they're arguing all the time if they're not

Meraagreeing if they're not enjoying the time together what's the point of staying together for the sake of the child well because if you are to look at

Andrew Wilsonthe outcome of what happens to a child if you remove the father from the home for instance if you just remove the father from the home even if the child's

Andrew Wilsonin an abusive home with both their parents being abusive and you enter into a stepfather moving into the home right they're still at a higher risk than even if they were with the abusive parents I

Meradisagree over is a father figure it does not need to be biological father I know how it sounds I don't know if I agree I don't know if I agree on that but hang on all

Andrew Wilsonthe child needs is a father F what said that I can give you I can give you the study but it is true it's the same thing with the State it's interesting if you remove a child from a home and you enter

Andrew Wilsonthe child in with the state to get him out of an abusive home right their chance of being abused under State custody and of expiring under State custody are actually higher than if you

Andrew Wilsonleft the child in the abuse of home what's interesting about this is like people don't even realize that this is true but having another man come into the home a stepfather in the home and

Andrew Wilsonthe biological father taken out that's when most abuses inside the home children even happen there's the outcomes are really really bad for children inside of homes when their

Andrew Wilsonparents split up and what it always is is it's always a woman who has the mentality that you have and this mentality is something better comes along I'll leave right that's why women are initiating most of the divorces

Andrew Wilsonsomething better comes along I'll leave and they do and they leave and they break up the home and they break up the family and then all the entire generation's raised by single moms men do that all the time walk the who's

Andrew Wilsoninitiating the divorces is it men or women so you're saying that if he cheats it's okay they're not divorcing him because he's cheating they divorce over irreconcilable differences I don't feel

Yamanihappy men are like if you're providing for a man and you're being a wife even if you're if he can still do whatever he wants to do cheat whatever talk to you

Yamanihowever be whatever and and still come home to you and you still take care of him why the why would he go get a divorce why would he do that so

Yamaninot I'm just talking about in the whatever example that we're speaking of because you're saying if you're in an abusive home but if you're you're better off in abusive home if there's two parents but then in a non-abusive home

Yamaniwith one parent because the dad's not there that doesn't even make sense and I'm also just saying you're on top of you saying that women are initiating divorces a lot of times just making my point if you're making a man comfortable

Yamaniyou're being a wife to him he has no reason to divorce you even if he's unhappy he still comes home to a homecooked meal he still comes home to a clean house you're taking care of the kids why would he go get a divorce I

Andrew Wilsonwould initiate the divorce so so so you're saying that men of course just aren't doing what they're supposed to do and women are dissatisfied because men

Yamaniaren't doing said that well then why are women initiating 80% of the divorces but I was making the point that men don't are less probably likely less likely to initiate a divorce in the sense of if

Yamanithey everything is being taken care of for them at home why would you go get a divorce if I can come home to my wife I can go to my go cheat or go gamble whatever all day and then I still have a

Yamaniwife at home I'm just saying as a man why would you go get a divorce on the and lose half as opposed to being the woman who now you're bearing the brunt

Yamaniof okay whether he's not holding up he's not um holding up whatever boundaries or whatever you guys have in your marriage he's not adhering to those so now you're the woman not they're listen they're not

Andrew Wilsondivorcing them because the men are cheating they're not divorcing them for that reason they we know this because they tell us this when we P them what is it they're usually just saying irreconcilable differences we're dissatisfied and and we don't know what

Brian Atlasthat means reason that she's dating going on 100 dates and she can only barely find one guy re 80% of women what she said it's what she said dissatisfy

Brian AtlasI'm I'm no longer entertained I'm bored you know look there's certainly instances of abuse and that happens but I think a lot of divorce just

Yamanilike I'm bored well if women are initiating divorces what is what what is the push from monogamy then if 80% of women are initiating divorces and it's maybe not so great I'm just curious I'm

Yamaninot I'm just we're just having conversation yeah I'm very much Devil's Advocate so I'm just curious what is the whole big deal about promiscuousness and monogamy if women are getting divorced

Brian Atlasat these high rates then go let him be freaking with anyone who cares here um maybe we can come to that I do kind of want to try to get an answer from

Brian Atlasyou Myra mea right which one one day your your name has two pronun possible pronunciations don't BL how hard is it to remember that it's mirror I I've got a you have like I have a huge

Brian Atlasconversational I have a huge conversational burden so um okay so I'm trying to get an answer what are you looking for cuz you want to have kids so I assume you want to there's going to be a man that you want to have those kids with so I assume you eventually want to

Brian Atlasmove towards and I assume you don't want to have kids with just anybody just random man off the street please impregnate me I'm going assume you'd want to have a relationship with the person that you

Merawant to have kids with I'm looking for you twit chat what do you want to just answer the question though just so like what are you looking

Merafor I think is that now I'm very much enjoying my freedom and and power that comes with it Nick can you close the door um but I do believe eventually I

Merawill meet a person that I will have deep enough connection to have children and procreate so our society does not go extinct I think Andre would appreciate that statement that's okay that's

Brian Atlasbeautiful so but I mean you are going on these dates so I assume you're I'm trying Brian there's a goal no but there's got to be like what do you ultimately want out of the when you go

Brian Atlason a date like are you looking for something shortterm a low casual thing are you looking for this could be a boyfriend this could be I know you said you don't want to get married so maybe not a

Merahusband but I think people are too fixated on what they want a lot of the times like I said we don't even necessarily know what's best for us because all of those ideas are just

Meradefined by the rest of the world so why not just be open to everything and see what plays out to the best well I mean even even if you object to what the

Brian Atlasworld is defining you can either look at what that Society is recommending as best and you can using your own life experience make a determination do I

Meraagree with that do I disagree with that where do I deviate so I I yeah I think it's very important to keep asking yourself that question does this make me feel good does no no no no that's I I

Brian Atlasdon't think that is the ultimate thing people ought to be looking for does that make me feel good think not enough people ask themselves that question and do things that are not it's rather

Meraselfish I I think it's a rather selfish not hurting people around you why is that bad like let's say somebody's telling you avocados is the way to go you eat avocado and you just vomit it's not good for you why would you force

Merayourself as opposed to eating apples because it's just an example let's say apples are being hated and said that this is bad for you but for your body it actually works perfect why would you

Andrew Wilsonpick avocados over apples yeah so those are preferences though talk okay but it's not just about preference it's about the effect of the things that you do so if you just say are we going to go

Andrew Wilsonback to the extinct of the race no we not I'm just talking about in in this case what he's saying he's saying that all you want to do purely is just be selfish is that true grid One

TTS/DonationsMotorsports donated $200 new studies show women are more abusive in relationships do men will work hard to save a marriage while women

Andrew Wilsonare more than willing to walk away and use the kids against the man please be better um what do they get those studies scared that they don't want to lose half their I was just asking

Fara Khaljipurely selfishness is that really what you're advocating for it's just self-centered selfishness I have a question is not just advocating for her like starting a nuclear family selfishness cuz I feel like you're that's a straw man has nothing to do

Andrew Wilsonwith what I'm asking I'm asking why is it selfish well I'm asking her if it's selfish I don't think it is okay so can can can you tell me then if it's not just selfishness and self-centeredness

MeraI'm telling you right now it is not okay then why are you doing it that is a completely different question yeah I know it is that's why I'm asking it why are you doing it because I can it's not hurting anyone and it's making my life

Brian Atlasbetter me me me me me do you want me to think about you and your no I want you to think about anything other than yourself but if you are okay if you are looking for a relationship do you think

Brian Atlasthat everything in a relationship has to make you feel good it's about two people because certainly there might be compromises

Brian Atlasthat occur in a relationship but a compromise may not necessarily mean you always get what you want of course I agree what you're looking for

Meranow is what makes you feel good overall yes overall why would you try to stick to something that makes you feel bad for what purpose because you could have better outcomes you know about that you do know about that and I can give you

Andrew Wilsonsome examples of how you know about what's going to be best for I know that you can have outcomes you can do things which are not comfortable for you now and give you better outcomes later you want to hear a really easy one the gym working out the Gym's not a very a very

Merafun thing to look at the six she's got six packs guess how many times I go to the gym I care she works out well she works out you gave this as an example right you saying gym is good for you guess how

Meramany times you go to the gym I don't care it has nothing do home workouts zero so why is Jim good for me ter extremely boring talking about exercise yeah I'm saying that's an

Meraexample that's an example I love exercise it doesn't feel bad for me but I do it in my own terms I figure out something that works for me I don't just follow society's rules most people go to the gym and they would be miserable you're an exercise Rebel is that what

Merayou're saying so have you seen what I just done literally I just ran around like I tried to stretch like that felt amazing to me I would never force myself to go to the gym and do these repetitive boring things what if you had so you've

Meranever go to the gym and have sore muscles okay yes you have yes was it comfortable strangely yes it was so I love that feeling because it's kind of

Merahard to explain but I actually really enjoy that and if I don't do it long enough I'm starting to feel bad what if you feel really good eating all the time so there's a reason why people do that

Meratoo there was a period of time when I was overeating and then when I analyzed as to why I was doing it I stopped doing that was it comfortable uh it was comforting another mental issue that I had and when I fixed the mental issue I

Andrew Wilsonstopped over so you're saying that you were willing to experience discomfort or a thing that you had displeasure in for a better outcome that was not a displeasure yes it was let's go around the table really

Brian Atlasquick Let's uh let's uh do something light then I want to try to get you into the conversation a little bit I don't think you've said anything for the past 3 hours so um okay um Nick can you pull up the

Brian AtlasInstagrams of the two guys so wait before you do though before you do hold on just a moment these are the two men I'm about to show you are my dear

Brian Atlasfriends they have tasked me with finding them girlfriends I am a Matchmaker you could say so Nick if you

Brian Atlascould pull up the first one would you go ahead go on a date with him so his name

Brian Atlasis Zach yes um he's a very nice guy very nice gentleman he is exceptionally skilled at

Brian Atlasplaying World of World of Warcraft okay very good World of Warcraft player he's scroll down Nick let's see some more

Brian Atlasphotos um he's very kind very he's a generous man um he's got great long hair and he also has an axe I'm waiting to find that there it is there's the axe he

Brian Atlasalso owns an axe so he's capable of protecting you would you be willing to date our friend here Zach starting with you and we'll go

Meraaround the table is he not with pink sparkles anymore no they're that that ended a while ago okay well I'm actually friends with Zach so it is strange for me yeah we've known each other for years

Brian Atlasyou know sometimes relationships Blossom out of friendships don't say no don't never say never I'm not going to say never but I do believe that the physical factor is quite important you know what what are you trying to say so whoa whoa

Merawhat what are you trying to say I'm trying to say that what you TR say chemically you got it you say you did say it right mea yes okay yes Brian good

Merato meet you thank you I thought it was Maya so um I believe it's very important that chemically you're also compatible chem chemically yeah so way telling you

Merathat you will produce better offspring you know when you like someone's smell what are you trying to say about these chemicals how dare you insult Zach's chemicals I don't think we're very

Meracompatible very upset I'm very upset by this he has wonderful chemicals I would he does for someone else he's got great fairmon absolutely how dare you I don't

Brian Atlasthink we produce the best offsprings why is that because of he's first of all this guy has been he's put in many hours

Brian Atlasin World of Warcraft your Offspring will be like top tier World of Warcraft players that what's wrong with that I don't think that's what I'm

Haley Hermslooking for that's come on okay all right what about you you what about Zach he's a nice guy right I would say most likely no for a it's the video games for

Haley Hermsme um I just think I meet too many guys that like are like actually addicted to video games like they like have to and then it's like when they're done like now it's your time to shine whatever

Haley Hermsokay also um what what else I lik him better bald that was one thing maybe if he was bald again if if Zach was bald again maybe

Haley Hermsyeah so if he shaved his head yeah maybe but I don't tend to go towards white men oh you don't like white men uh I don't hate them don't love them I think

Haley Hermsthey're the more like problematic of the bunch but that could just be for my own upbringing what um you know out of the men you usually like statistically like

Haley Hermswhite men are more likely to hurt you harm you and that's been my experience that's your experience that's AB nonstatistical she said stat no she said statistically that's non

TTS/Donationsstatistical statistically no just they have a lot of push back on this why does my bank not want to let me support you I had to call and they told

TTS/Donationsme it's your fault also still simping for meor merera wants a ring is Itor go to gy pronounced comes home to me did it

Brian Atlasdid the TTS pronounce it right meor okay maybe you tried I mean if sometimes streamlabs has a limit if you want to switch over for you modest if you want to switch if you I mean it sound it seems like you're able to do it you can

Brian Atlasalways do it through YouTube If it just blocks you out um you don't date white men what does you T not all the time not all the time not all the time but I have okay all right I have um all right well we don't it's just more scary experience

Haley Hermsfor me I'm just saying your statistics it's reversed you can't say statistically without knowing the statistic what are the statistics don't that's but absolutely some people think statistically when they mean that are

Haley Hermsyou talking about incarcerated prison people like then yeah those numbers go like different skewed but when you like look well sa and like that's I don't know I don't want to use trigger words

Brian Atlasall right far would you date would you date Zach you said he's a full-time streamer he's a he's one of the oh well sure yeah I guess he streams kind of sort of no I wouldn't date someone in

Brian Atlasthe industry you wouldn't date somebody in the industry no okay all right uh what about you would you date Zach um I mean go on to

Yamanidate with him I think if I met him and he was cool and I like talking to him probably he is cool take my word for it he's super cool what his what's his sign I don't know okay but um money I mean

Brian Atlasyeah I pretty much if I like someone like I'll go on a date with you if you're cool what about you uh oh sorry I I thought you were I'm just trying to if you had more go ahead I'm sorry I'm sorry you got no no no go ahead got okay

Yamani/Lenasorry s i I was just going to say he seems nice but I'm kind of interested in someone at the moment so if you're sing if you're single I don't know it's kind of hard for me to think like that okay never mind and then well you're married so I suspect I I don't think I would

Brian Atlaseither though because sorry Zach I'm sorry probably mostly because of the video game thank you okay scroll up Nick on that one scroll up let's see his name why you skiing in

Brian Atlaswould you go on a date with Zach what me mhm no uh this is Zach he's owner of otk Network star Forge PC's uh you know one of the top streamers on

Brian AtlasTwitch I don't know if he's like top 10 or something but he's very popular twitch streamer uh millionaire many times over and allaround good dude and

Brian Atlashandsome and has an ax does that change anything maybe if he shaved his head and he lives in Texas is shaved his head okay Zach if you're watching this I can set it up I can I

Brian Atlascan arrange a little day next one last guy and then we're going to get to some actual topics next person boom okay we have this gentleman would you date this gentleman so his name is Felix scroll

Brian Atlasdown Nick so we can see some photos all right see so he's uh okay he's you know like that he's got dyed blonde hair he's a good

Brian Atlashe's got a cat he loves animals loves animals all around good guy um you know he's maybe a little bit of a gamer you know but uh yeah and uh that that's uh that's Felix so going around the table

Merawhat do you date him go ahead I remember hosting Felix when he had less viewers than me on Twitch and interesting how time changes yeah he was playing OverWatch and I was like oh he's kind of cute Let's help out a smaller streamer

Meraand then he was so excited and like we started talking and then Mitch was like yo man because Mitch was uh much more developed of a streamer back then would

Merayou date him though well that's Mitch Cog blocked it for me basically and he told him like yo don't don't you know that's my girl don't and that's it that was the end of it you could only host

Brian AtlasMitch but you couldn't host Felix yes apparently would you date him though because obviously what do you mean it's too late late I can't why no more you

Yamaniare have you seen like those go ahead go ahead uh it would depend on person personality okay no um yeah probably if he was cool he looks a little young though I don't know

Brian Atlashow old he is but he late 20s maybe I don't know uh he's 26 they don't okay that's fine you guys don't have that uh go ahead go ahead uh pull him back up

Brian Atlasreally quick this is uh xqc uh his name is oh 27 excuse me and uh very popular twitch streamer one of the top twitch streamers although now he's on Kick he

Brian Atlasrecently had a $100 million uh deal all around great guy solid dudee does that change anything for anybody no okay still want to see his Personality yeah

Brian Atlasokay I'm sorry Felix I tried I tried my best I'm sorry EXC I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry okay so I want to go around the table this is related to your your statement about you're feminist but you have traditional elements we'll maybe touch back on that going around the

Haley Hermstable do you consider yourself a feminist starting with you go ahead oh I will need a definition of that a lot of definition going out you

Haley Hermswant men and women to have equal rights equality what type of Rights like civil rights Jesus all right I don't want men and women to be

Meraequal no oh you don't no not not like that M I think that's why we attracted to each other is because of our differences as well like I said there's got to be some type of dyam behind that

Haley HermsI can get behind that okay you I think for the most part yeah I think for the most part yeah but um yeah there's some things I like a little

Yamanimore traditionally okay I'll come back to that uh what about you I it's actually similar feminist but a lot of Traditional Values H okay um I the term

Yamanifeminism like it's not it's I don't think it's as intersectional as I don't know I'm I wouldn't consider my myself feminist I think that uh I don't think I'm more or less than a man I don't

Yamanithink a man's like more or less than me um I think we're like yin and yang but I mean I think we need equality for women in other places women need more

Yamani/Lenauplifting so I do believe in feminine some principles of feminism but I wouldn't call myself feminist oh uh if feminism is like equal or equality between men and women then I would say

Yamani/Lenayes I'm a feminist but more so like equal opportunity okay than sure what about you I would say definitely not um

Macyonly because the principles of feminism are not required especially for anyone sitting at this table or anyone in this like in our society at large Andrew are you a

Andrew Wilsonfeminist well not only am I not a feminist but with the exception of the nice lady who brought cookies um all of you are feminists every single one of

Yamaniyou is a feminist you think so yeah how do you how do you tell me what I am I'm curious what would make me more feminist and I just want to say not like that but feminism came around a time like suffer

YamaniJets and stuff when like I'm a black woman so white girls weren't even working and then they wanted to go back to working so they're like I wouldn't be a feminist but like me 200 years ago like that wasn't really the same like

Yamanifeminism wasn't really the same for me so that's why I don't uh identify with it so I feel like not like that but I I I'm not a feminist because I was I my people always been working so well let's

Andrew Wilsonstart with what you think feminism is well what do you think it is you just call me a feminist well so I think I can demonstrate this pretty easy right but let's just start with what you think it

Yamaniis what do you think it is um I mean feminism started as like women wanting to be equal so wanting to

Yamanibe able to like get jobs be able to like leave the house go work um you know have more rights so which of those values do

Yamaniyou disagree with well I mean I don't I don't I disagree with the the idea well like I just said

YamaniI feminism was never really for me as a black woman because we've always been working like we never had the option to like sit back and then decide like 50 years later that we wanted to go back which of the values

Brian Atlasthat wait if I can just add to what you're saying very early feminism was actually very racist so you actually do make a good point that early feminism call myself that was uh they wanted the

YamaniI I don't want to I could be off here I think they wanted to secure the vote for white women uh yeah Planned Parenthood all that stuff Margaret Sanger all of them they were eugenicists they were not

Yamanifor me so for you to sit and tell me I'm a feminist I genuinely like at the basis of feminism it was never for me so no I'm which of the values friend I would like not call her if which of the values

Haley Hermsthen then tell me the values you disagree with think that should I can work doesn't mean I want to like someone fought for that right and I'm like good for them they should go to work but I don't really want to they could work before feminism came around where did this idea come from that women couldn't

Andrew Wilsonwork before there was feminis have credit card to like they literally could they couldn't have no listen men men were responsible for their wives debts they were they had to pay their wives

Andrew Wilsondebts so you as the wife could go to the local department store and you could buy whatever you wanted to on your husband's credit and he had to pay the debt cuz we didn't work weren't responsible for the debt so yes while it's true that they

Andrew Wilsonwouldn't give women credit cards they gave it to the man the woman could still go spend as much she wanted to and never was responsible for the debt in the marriage ever no debtors ever came for her she was never responsible for any of

Andrew Wilsonit so there was there's a give and take everything that you look at they so I'm saying like the not feminism means like but the reason you the reason you believe this and the reason you think

Andrew Wilsonthat this is why the world works is because what's it's called standpoint Theory standpoint standpoint standpoint Theory so what standpoint theory is is it's a feminist Theory which says that

Andrew Wilsonhistory because it's subjective women's history needs to be told only through the prism of a woman and how a woman thinks about it rather than what's objectively true so they'll leave stuff like that completely out so I brought

Andrew Wilsonwith me on my phone I don't know if I can pull it out but but an old suffer jet flyer uh which was counterarguments to the people who were out trying to get the right to vote right okay and you can

Andrew Wilsonsee the arguments then hey if we get a million dollar in inheritance we don't have to share it with our husband that was one of the arguments that was used against the uh the suffer Jets because

Andrew Wilsonit was true and they weren't responsible for debt and they didn't have any of these problems right so the standpoint Theory kind of pollutes it when you guys are talking about the reason I ask you what do you think it is and then which

Macyvalues you disagree with because all the values stated I don't believe he disagree with them and why would you why why would you think that you based on the definition that you gave about what a feminist is why would you disagree

Macywith anything that you said okay I'm talking about like right now feminism today not feminism during the suffrage movement I don't believe that's the same definition

MacyI okay if it's not the same definition I'm I'm a little bit curious to know what you're again I don't identify as a feminist no I'm asking based on your definition what you gave when he asked why don't identify

Yamanifeminist and like I just said because the first of all the origins of the feminism right but we're not talking about the origins right I'm going to your point I'll just let me talk the ores of the feminist movement I don't

Yamaniidentify with them so naturally I as it Progressive progresses that's something that I don't identify with in name but in practice I I don't think that like because you have a penis and I have a

Yamanivagina you're better than me or I'm better than you I think we're equal so I feminism I mean if we're talking about when it started uh a long time ago when

Yamaniwomen needed a little bit more protection you needed a little bit more like we're compared to like women in the 1800s like we have it very good

Yamanilike I'm say I'm saying that that came out of from a time when things were so much different so for me to it like I I

YamaniI it came from such an extreme women need a different type of feminism than whatever is needed today and like for me there's women that are getting castrated and um like what is it called when you

Yamanican't have babies mutilated we don't I don't have that problem you don't have that problem you don't have that problem but baby boys have that though I and I don't even agree with circumcision in baby boys I think it's crazy but that's

Yamanineither here nor there but in some places there are some girls who need someone to stand up and say that just because you're a girl doesn't mean you have to be subjected to this does that

Yamanimean I'm a feminist I don't know I don't I again I don't identify with feminism because it was never for me I don't have to I don't have to label myself to be to feel my viewpoints like I don't need

Andrew Wilsonlike a a big thing hang to Define it but it can be intersectional which is what I'm saying what she's saying what what her point is and mine too is to say that

Andrew Wilsonif the word and we're saying the word means those same values that you state what does it mean to you hang on I'm just hang on just let me finish if it means the same values that you

TTS/Donationsstate that you believe it right and then when we use the word feminism it is donated $200 brickson I think you and my bank

TTS/Donationsare in cahoots somehow fool me once I hope it still goes to you after you calling me out live the one recent cast

Andrew WilsonI wasn't live miror you want a 30k ring # s yes please with an emerald anyway you can you you can essentially call it whatever you want but we're saying that

TTS/Donationswhen we say feminism those same values and more values even than that but just those same values Sports donated $200 all on the right side of the panel

TTS/Donationshave spewed anti-male rhetoric abuse cheating so on yet you are all single will likely remain so feminism has failed you how can the patriarchy help

Haley Hermsyou today yeah modest thank you man thank you thank you promoted cheating or abuse what what what keep your hands to yourself guys we were pretty much

Andrew Wilsonanti-abuse pretty much I don't know about the Andre cheating Yani so did you have something more Andrew or yes anyway it was just saying when we're applying the word we're applying the word to mean all those things you said so we're not

Andrew Wilsontalking past each other you're just saying I don't identify it based on this other value that I have but you haven't really said what the value is I'm

Yamaniokay and and I'm I'm very Devil's Advocate so I'm not oh I'm not like against what you're saying but I'm really trying to understand what do it would help me

Yamanianswer you if you told me what you defined feminism as because again why do you need my definition to know your definition well cuz you just called me a feminist so I'm just curious she doesn't think just curious what you're basing that off from from from a logical hang

Andrew Wilsonon from a logical perspective you wouldn't need me to tell you the definition of a thing I ask you for definition of to know your definition of the thing are I feel like this is like

Andrew Wilsonis it okay so I'll just tell you what I think what I think fism feminism to me feminism to me and feminism broadly is

Andrew Wilsonthe um pushing of an egalitarian society based around the equality of men and women is that the most generous definition that you give it that's the

Yamanimost generous one I could possibly give so and I'm so you don't like you don't think that I'm assuming you don't think that men and women are equal correct okay which is okay no you're I don't I

Andrew Wilsondon't it's okay I I don't think that egalitarianism is true I don't think that equality is real I don't think any of those things are true I don't think any of should be real you think is who do you think is I don't well I don't

Andrew Wilsoneven think it's possible you want me to tell you how faren knows faren knows what I'm about to say but I'll tell you I can tell you how I can tell you how men and women can't be equal you want me

Andrew Wilsonto tell you yes okay yeah if you are to look at force in in society who would you say has the Monopoly on Force men or women men on brute

Andrew Wilsonmen the Monopoly I'm just talking about the Monopoly over the they the stronger one I feel like things are set up for men but can you indicate a time in history ever in the history of all of

Yamanimankind where men didn't have the Monopoly on force on Force as in like physical Force though correct always they always stronger than us oh then yeah that's the biology they have the Monopoly on physical Force so the

Andrew Wilsonquestion when we come down to rights is who can enforce rights women can't enforce their own rights men have to enforce women's rights so there can never be real equality there can never be real what the men are I just

Yamaniwant to say men are a little bit more very that is like so violent in nature even what you just said like sorry every society of course you need Force but the

Yamanifact that you feel like you're in because you're stronger than someone or you can overpower them you're more entitled to some sort of hang listen so that you get it real quick hang on just

Andrew Wilsonhear me out okay yeah inside of your Society okay you have rights right those rights need to be enforced right so somebody doesn't

Yamaniviolate them right who's the enforcement usually most cre is usually physically respons what do you do with criminals I mean you put them in jail but and who does that

Haley Hermsthere's never been a female officer ever I'm not saying there hasn't been but who does that who puts him in jail and then who guards him why they're in jail I mean I don't want to say that cuz I know women security guards that are

Andrew Wilsonrappers in jail you're speaking always to the exception you always look to the outlier it's not that there can't be some women who are on par with some men it's that as a monolith men are the granters of force the granters of Rights

Andrew Wilsonand here's how whenever you need criminals dealt with in society it's men who are going to be dealing with the criminals they're going to be putting them in the jails they're going to be enforcing your laws they're going to be protecting you while you sleep through

Andrew Wilsonthe military and through thee but have we ever given women the opportunity to be in here's the amazing part the amazing part is right now they have all

Andrew Wilsonthat opportunity and they still can't do it meaning think they do men inside yes they do where do women have less opportunity to become the enforcement arm than men in society right now tell

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