HEATED Debate With Man Hating Feminist?! IG Model KICKED OUT! | Dating Talk #122

Date: 2023-11-29

Duration: 6h 34m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKiki (co-host DT126)>

FFarah Khalidi >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_04Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_05Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_06Yamani/Lena(guest)

SPEAKER_07Fara Khalji(guest)

SPEAKER_08Mera(guest)

SPEAKER_09Yamani(guest)

SPEAKER_10Kiki(host)

SPEAKER_11Macy(guest)

SPEAKER_12Haley Herms(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteMacy recounts father placing gun in her hand at his own head at age 17

“he tried to have me murder him and like my best friend we like almost all died... he put a gun in my hand to have me try to kill him and was like holding my hand with the gun in his head”

Key MomentFara states she would let humanity go extinct rather than restrict LGBT rights

“I stated that I'm prioritizing autonomy over a utilitarian conception of prolonging the human race”

QuoteFara reveals 2020 suicide attempt during philosophical debate about autonomy

“my last suicide attempt was in 2020 let's not get into that”

ControversyMera calls Andrew's population replacement argument 'Hitler-like'

“you trying to replace the society that sounds like some Hitler that that's crazy”

ControversyBrian repeatedly insists Mera has fake breasts; she denies emphatically multiple times

“I don't know how many times I have to say this to you Brian you have... I already told you it's not true but you keep making me”

ControversyHaley claims you can't be racist against white people; Brian calls this statement itself racist

“I just don't think you can be racist against white people”

QuoteHaley reveals former sugar baby history and using OnlyFans earnings for Catholic grandmother's $25k funeral

“I used the money to pay for my Catholic grandmother's funeral”

OtherBrian kicks Mera off the show near the end (~6h31m) for persistent disruptive behavior

“bro get the [expletive] off the show leave just get up leave get up leave this is she's been one of the most disruptive guests we've ever had”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and relationship statuses

Guests introduce themselves with name, age, occupation, location. Then relationship status round. Mera (refuses to reveal age, ~33, Sherman Oaks, Twitch streamer, 4-year single 'boy phase'). Haley Herms (28, LA, plus-size model). Fara Khalji (24, Miami, content creator). Yamani (27, LA, bottle service/clothing). Lena (25, Delaware, OnlyFans). Macy (27, Mobile AL, insurance adjuster, married). Andrew Wilson (debate host, mechanical engineer, married 10+ years). Kiki (co-host).

Boy stage, terminology, and promiscuity norms

Discussion of the term 'boy phase' vs 'slut' for women. Whether men wife up promiscuous women. Debate on societal double standards for body count between men and women.

Kiki's relationship status and consent contract

Kiki describes 'complicated' status: met someone before China trip, gave him a written contract of negotiables/non-negotiables. He is still reviewing while she was away. Discussion of relationship contracts.

Mera's 100 dates in 2 months

Brian probes Mera about going on 100 dates in 2 months without finding anyone. Mera describes looking for connection and authentic experience. Discussion of age, fertility, egg freezing, and what she is actually looking for.

Guns and second amendment discussion

Panel asked if a man owning a gun is positive/neutral/negative. Andrew endorses gun ownership enthusiastically. Macy shares traumatic story of father holding gun to own head with her hand on it at age 17.

Yamani: men paying for her time off from bottle service

Yamani says men frequently offer to pay her bottle service wages (~$500+) to skip work and go on dates. Discussion of implications and transactional dating.

Feminist debate: promiscuity, population replacement, and autonomy

Andrew and Mera debate: does promiscuity harm society? Population replacement argument. Mera calls Andrew's replacement language 'Hitler-like' (misunderstanding). Extended hypothetical: would you let humanity go extinct to preserve autonomy/LGBT rights? Andrew says he would restrict certain behaviors to prevent extinction. Fara says she prioritizes autonomy over prolonging the human species.

Monogamy, nuclear family, and societal outcomes

Andrew argues monogamy and nuclear family optimal for children and society. Mera and Fara push back on imposing relationship structures. Discussion of women initiating 80% of divorces, stepfather risk data. Haley describes herself as socialist/feminist but Traditional Values in personal relationships.

Haley on communism and socialism

Haley describes herself as socialist with interest in communism. Discussion of whether communism works (small-scale communes vs large scale). Andrew argues communism requires compelled service. Haley defends communism as theoretical Utopia. Discussion of inflation, millennials, affordability of nuclear family.

Self-ratings (looks 1-10)

Panel rates own looks. Haley: 10 in fat community, 7.5 in society. Lena: 10 (confidence 10, societal 7-8). Brian: 5 (gained weight). Andrew: 6. Mera: 10. Yamani and Fara also 10. Rating round devolves into debate about fat attraction and political messaging.

Ideal sex frequency

Each guest shares ideal sex frequency. Mera: 2-4 times per day. Haley: once or twice a day. Mera reveals she takes birth control to reduce her high sex drive.

Haley's plus-size model career and OnlyFans content

Discussion of fat attraction, Andrew vs Haley debate over whether attraction to plus-size women is genuine or fetish. Haley claims shredded men are her top DMs. Her OnlyFans revenue from weigh-in/eating videos. Used OnlyFans earnings to pay for Catholic grandmother's $25k funeral.

Cosmetic procedures round

Brian asks who has had cosmetic procedures. Mera: deviated septum fix as child, lip filler yearly. Brian insists Mera has fake breasts; she denies multiple times.

Body count discussion

Body count round started. Andrew says he wouldn't be surprised if some women don't know their count. Discussion of double standards for high body count men vs women. Fara argues pair bonding applies more to women than men. Debate on whether men with high body counts are hypocritical for wanting low body count women.

Former sugar baby (Haley)

Haley reveals she had sugar daddy arrangements until age 22 (stopped after mother died). Charged $700 for date, $2500+ for time afterward. Total per visit $700-$5000. Had 2-3 sugar daddies, was intimate with 2. Dropped one after he revealed racist beliefs.

Mera kicked off show

Brian asks Mera to leave after she gets up from table and is disruptive. Cites her being obtuse, not staying seated, moving around repeatedly throughout show. Andrew notes timing was comedic (2 min before show end).

Transcript

Page 3 of 7

Brian Atlascould be like okay so maybe we'll just use we'll just use some kind of's one we'll just call the thing do the thing or is it like pizza maybe there's Pizza do the thing we'll do the thing I personally would prefer if it and you

Fara Khaljiwere personally asking me whether I think that's right to do not whether I think that's congruent with some other substructure of Rights and well yeah what I'm asking you is you were saying would it be good for those politicians to create those Poli

Fara Khaljiand I said what do you think of this micro example and then you kind of conceded okay that's a bit unethical to whatever fror it's not I would say it's

Fara Khaljinot preferable but if I had to I would do it so I would still say that that's better than the alternative better than the alternative that was different than the tone you had which brought up the example which is that you think we should be doing this and that would be

Fara Khaljiultimately the best thing to do which is create policies that create a situation which the human race is sustained and that's completely different tone than saying ah that' be a bit preferable no no no no no you're complaining two

Andrew Wilsondifferent things so the first is into the hypothetical of the island okay that's the one where I would say this is not something I would like but it's preferable to the alter a tropical island or is it like an island that's

Fara Khaljilike that's near Great Britain and it's kind of okay now you're obstructing okay so my point was I see that as a direct microcosm of the type of society you're trying to create in which you're saying maybe we should have policies on on promiscuity no no no even an argument

Andrew Wilsonyou can't what you mean I haven't even finished well because you said you started this with total strength that this thing here that you answered to I see is a microcosm to a society you're advocating for that doesn't follow so

Andrew Wilsonyou have to start like this instead you can say you can agree with me and say okay you're right you're alternative to this um you know I don't find that preferable you find it preferable

Andrew Wilsonwhatever right but there's no microcosm to that and the I would make or OTE in society that people got married young so that they had more children in society how how would those be a microa because

Fara KhaljiI saw the summary of your argument as this that the ultimate good should be prolonging the human race and politicians should be creating policies which create that situation in which the human race is being replenish at a high rate if that includes suppressing female

Fara Khaljipromiscuity suppressing homosexuality so then I said if that's the ultimate goal let's change up the structure of the society a little bit we're on an island where no women want to have sex no women want to reproduce and birth children now do you think it's congruent yeah yeah

Andrew Wilsonwell no it's still not but it's closer can you explain why I'm trying to it's closer right but your problem is this is

Andrew Wilsonthat what is your actual argument here against me having the value first of uh Humanity over over lgbtq so if Humanity

Fara Khaljicould not exist with lgbtq what you have stated is that then it should die out I stated that I'm prioritizing autonomy over a utilitarian

Andrew Wilsonconception of prolonging the human race what could you think of I I can't actually think of a single example that I would say like for instance if women

Andrew Wilsoncouldn't couldn't in society get like gang banged by five dudes okay that's still just a like sexual activity would you prefer that Society be wiped out

Andrew Wilsoncompletely or that women be allowed to do that can you rephrase wait you're saying either we criminalize if we were to Criminal that you can no longer get gang banged by

Andrew Wilsonfive guys why why are the examples always related to like is there any examples is this not a show about sex I don't understand why are you aov hang

Andrew Wilsonthis almost okay so if it is five dudes though if you criminalize that would you would the preference be that Humanity goes extinct rather than criminalizing

Fara Khaljithat women cannot get gang banged by five dudes if getting gang bed leads to people getting wiped out out yeah um I think if you have no other

Fara Khaljiobjection to the gang bang other than it wipes people is this guy go ahead sorry sorry go ahead go ahead go if you could draw like a line between how this is affecting other things like when we have laws on things in terms of health and stuff like that and I think that's a

Fara Khaljibit different like I said I'm going to be a moral absolutist about this I do prioritize autonomy over prolonging the human race I think if that's what fulfills people and it's not hurting other people and any other type of metric I'm going to prioritize that mhm

Andrew Wilsonso so this would be the case for all forms of um of sexuality or uh autonomy that you can possibly something reaction

Andrew Wilsonif that style but but the point is right is that if these policies or these things led to the extinction of humanity you don't actually care because it's more important inside of your worldview

Fara Khaljifor the Hedonism right now no I didn't say Hedonism I said autonomy what about this either everyone's wiped out or everyone lives in cages they food given to them once a day you know what I mean they're living barely giv them the food

Andrew WilsonI don't know dogs but that's not the point well then you're your hypothetical is not logically valid what kind of dogs Yeah well yeah it's hypothetical it's imaginary a hypothetic a hypothetical still sorry

Fara Khaljithere's one person okay there's one person who's in who's caged all the other people I don't I don't know who's caged them just imagine either everyone's in cages and one person or a robot cuz you know

TTS/Donationstechological age man 538 donated $199 procreation is inherently a sexual act or in art form so exodo that the

TTS/Donationsfemales think they can have heteropaternal superfect undated Twins and don't need the men thoughts on Virgin birth anyway well hold on thoughts on Virgin birth what yeah okay

Brian Atlasall right go ahead um thank you bow man yeah so either a military robot is feeding everyone in C or Brian I don't control it it's automatic no I don't trigger it uh Andrew's nice phrases like

Brian Atlasyour problem I'm not nice your problem is you equate one body over another does a pregnant woman have a blank when pre without a boy if not how's that her body

Brian Atlaswait what gen oh okay it must does a pregnant woman have a penis when pregnant with okay um is is this directed to you I'm not even paying attention to this I don't

Andrew Wilsonknow what this is be nice far okay sorry um okay it's gone okay military robot he's asking about bodily autonomy yeah that's okay is that the separate is that no I'm

Brian Atlastrying to stay on track for the flow of your show military robot feeds everyone in cages orary robot what is your here but is it sorry sorry okay I am kind of

Brian Atlaslet's hear over here go ahead no speak no I was like which military but that's it's totally I'm okay now he's just having fun with it I'm just having little fun go ahead go you want to add in a zombie maybe it's a zombie robot

Andrew Wilsonmaybe it's a zombie feeding everywh a military robot they feed everybody inside of cages and other if we don't feed them all inside of cages that'll be the end of the of humanity no I'm drawing a direct parallel to your example if either we eliminate gang

Fara Khaljibangs or the human race is wiped out either everyone's living in cages or humanity is wiped out I'm just trying to show you the way I perceive autonomy and maybe you might think because you're added in these degenerate activities

Andrew Wilsonthat that no longer you know what I mean entails to thresh it does it's actually it's a threshold breaker let me explain what I mean thank you bon then so if we walk this if we walk this backwards

Andrew Wilsonlet's say I agree with you and I go okay you know if everybody's living in cages you're right I'm not willing to draw the line there okay let's just say I say that okay so yeah I think that

Andrew Wilsonmaybe that's not preferable to all of humanity going extinct right but I think that I could walk that back to a place where there could be activity where I would look at them and be like well I

Andrew Wilsonmean if we Outlaw those activities why you know what I mean it doesn't seem like it's it seems like the alternative of humanity going extinct if we don't is much worse you know what say Point obviously I know you understand it hypothetical the point of it was to try

Fara Khaljiand deduce what your actual moral statement is from it so you do prior you already understand what the value is but what I'm asking ask do you then prioritize autonomy over prolonging the

Andrew Wilsonhuman race so let's say that uh within the Christian purview I would say mostly always yes but there could be some conditionals in which I would say no just like there would be some

Andrew Wilsonconditionals for you is that the conditionals that I give you are much more obvious in society right this second and so if the conditional inside of the society right this second you

TTS/Donationslook at it and go people 3% of humanity must be able to be involved in LGBT mot Sports donated $200 can we just kick Destiny's WN to be

TTS/Donationschild already her nonsensical circular arguments are Beyond old also ignoring the questions of people donating is poor form show her the door they just throw on these buzzword of circular nothing

Brian Atlasthey've pointed out that I've said is circular but okay uh well almost all arguments are how about far let's do this um mod the TTS that just came in previously huh I know I thought you were

Brian Atlassay you're going to kick me for them no no no uh does a pregnant woman so he said you're problem is you equate one body over another does a pregnant woman have a have a penis when pregnant with a

Brian Atlasboy if not how is that her body that that's not my question that's his so I'm so dialed into this conversation can you say that one more time okay does a pregnant woman have a penis when pregnant with a boy if not how is that

Andrew Wilsonher body is that related Andrew sort of to this or am I being dense I don't understand the question yeah well pull the question up on screen quick it's

Andrew Wilsonthis one Andrew ni phras like uh problem is you equate one body how does that sentence even make sense equate one body over another yeah so this how he ties it

Fara Khaljiin does a pregnant woman have a a what a pen penis oh okay know guessing with a boy oh you can see it without the okay

Andrew Wilsonso I see so what he's asking then is like I think that this is what's being asked I don't know I don't know for sure but I think that what he's asking is if

Andrew Wilsonyou if you had to Outlaw being uh you know know the tea part of the LGBT if just that part and if if for some reason

Andrew Wilsonthat part led to humanity going extinct would you stop that from happening I wouldn't and again I think that's completely consistent it sounds extreme but I think this is all completely consistent like what I mean you could say it's consistent but you know it

Andrew Wilsonactually would be consistent too it's not inconsistent for you to have a threshold breaker either for you to have a thresh yours is cuz you keep saying you have one but you haven't yet to detail it well you would have to outline you'd have to outline every single

Andrew Wilsonscenario that could ever think of CES in this case I give you really easy ones cages no gang bangs yes tea yes CES I would still I would still say that that's preferable to extinction

Brian Atlasbecause condition yeah here let's uh let's switch things up a little bit if time permitting if we can maybe get back into it later on in the show I do really want to come back to what I think kind

Brian Atlasof uh stoked this initially uh it sounded like Myra Mera sorry my bad you're against you're not a fan of monogamy I don't want to misquote you

Merabut you not in favor of monogamy or what's your position I think monogamy should be a personal choice there shouldn't be any pressure for whatever a

Meraperson may think is best of an outcome in the future because that's so that's so subjective and none of us really know what's going to happen because there's so many factors lead

Brian Atlasinto it so there's no point of putting those psychological cages on people in the present I mean couldn't you argue for example like having monogamy as Andrew kind of already pointed out and

Brian Atlasarticulated nuclear family monogamy that's what's best for society nobody knows what's best for society well I mean do you know

Andrew Wilsonthat so wait wait you said nobody knows what's best for society would that include you yes so how do you know that nobody

Meraknows what's best for society what I know is that there's no reason to pressure people psychologically to do or not do something if they're not hurting anyone ridiculous phys you do it all the

Meratime because you believe that there's going to be certain outcome in the future and you're trying to predict it because that assertiveness is actually concerning you don't know let me ask you

Andrew Wilsona question let's say you're driving down the street you drive a car I do okay you blow through a stop sign have you heard anybody well I would be breaking the law

Andrew Wilsonhave you hurt anybody have I heard have you hurt anybody by blowing the stop sign and not stopping if you don't get in a crash if there are no people around then I guess I didn't hurt anyone right you didn't

Andrew Wilsonhurt anybody do you think people should do that no because that would be against the law no well okay let's just assume for a second that we're talking about what's moral and that's what we're talking about is what's moral not what's

Andrew Wilsonlawful you would agree there's all kinds of laws which could be passed which are immoral right like if I passed a law law saying you you can no longer be a member of the lgbtq you would consider that an

Meraimmoral law right well this is what I'm saying this type of thinking is what we should be avoiding because no I think we should be engaging with it so let me finish real quick so we're talking about

Andrew Wilsona moral conundrum here when that person blew through that stop sign okay he didn't hurt anybody nobody got killed nothing like this right did he do

Andrew Wilsonanything wrong he broke the law yeah but what did he do that's morally

Andrew Wilsonwrong nothing nothing he didn't do anything morally incorrect even though he wasn't thinking about anybody else right he wasn't really living up to

Andrew Wilsonwhatever his obligations or Duty were for you he didn't do anything at all morally incorrect even though it could have led to this thing it just didn't right this is what we're talking about

Andrew Wilsonhere so this is why when you say to me you say Andrew listen when you bring this up and you say well all that matters is that nobody's being hurt well I can give you all kinds of actions

Brian Atlaswhere people aren't hurt but you should probably still be against those actions right a better example what a better example than the stop sign one be drunk driving like you can drunk drive but not actually get into a crash or hurt anybody I mean it's it's an infinite

Meraamount of examples that we could come up with right yeah but the point is that being LGBT is not against the law holy this is like the most it still is in some places well no no

Brian Atlasnothing we've touched on yeah it's a little okay so pick we can back up from that yeah that's fine we haven't done body count mon we could we could get into body count but um the the whole

Brian Atlasthing with monogamy but you you were saying that we don't know if that's better for society we really don't know how nuclear family play out maybe there's going to be other species that

Merawill take over and from their point of view that would be best huh H wait other species that are going to take over do you want to talk about

Brian Atlasaliens is in this the time well I I'm are like dolphins which species do you think is like if you had the top three species that are the risk for us what

Brian Atlaswhere do you put it like I think honey badgers are like number one number two I love cheetahs I'm going to bet on cheetahs cheetah are going to okay they're sexy and so

Brian Atlasfast Cheetos okay um but like you can't even if if I were to say for example that nuclear family monogamy that's what's best for society do you disagree

Brian Atlasnow keep bear in mind I'm not saying that everybody within the society needs to there can be individuals that choose

Brian Atlasto not get married or have kids but if a uh majority of people it would it would be the best for for Society for the vast majority of people to be monogamous and

Merafor there to be nuclear families I think based on what I've observed recently going on in the world I'm worried about a man trying to impose

Merahis or her ideology because here she believes it's best and then people suffering because of that whether it's physical or psychological I think we

Andrew Wilsonshould be avoiding that at any cost the the so you think we should avoid suffering at any cost I think I made it clear what I just said to I repeat that well I'm looking

Merafor which of the value claims is important so is it the suffering that's important you want people to avoid suffering I feel like there's so much suffering that is unnecessary that's

Meragoing on in the world right now and it's very sad I don't know if I should go into that because it's political I love politics what's what's

Brian Atlasgoing on no it's more so I'm going to stop right there oh well okay but so my position is that monogamy when it comes look I'm not saying that

Brian Atlaseverybody has to be monogamous but just for the best of society if there's hold onler donated

TTS/Donations$200 about how condoms do not protect from genital herpes and she probably has it already anyone accidentally touches

Brian Atlasher skin drown yourself in Bleach # bottle count who ignore the ignore the he's a urologist he likes to say he

Brian Atlashilarious if you want shoot shoot shots back his name is Jay Butler you want hilarious yeah you can get General lpes without

Brian Atlascondoms thank you Jay Butler that was poetic um okay so do you think would you agree that it's better for for Society

Brian Atlasfor people to be monogamous at this time no why because because it's best if we have a freedom of choice no that's not what I'm saying there's still Freedom of Choice I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm advocating

Andrew Wilsonthat there be laws past that would force people to be monogamous but as the overall gener overall if we if we you're just asking the consequence he's saying you keep everything how it is everybody

Andrew Wilsonhas the same rights but if people move towards monogamy do you end up with a better Society than if people don't go towards monogamy that's a tough question really

Brian Atlassometimes when I look around it's really a tough question it really is yeah because are you are you go ahead go ahead are you going to say cuz there are certainly instances where even within monogamous relationships those

Meramonogamous relationships don't work out or there's divorce there's so many downsides to that exactly like people really do feel the pressure whether it's a male or a female to be in that relationship and

Meratheir health goes down what's the best health goes up uh it very much depends on the relationship CU like I said they get stuck in toxic ones so their psychological and physical health deteriorates I feel like people grab

Haley Hermstowards monogamy because it's easier just in general and that's maybe why it's better for society in a polyamorous relationship or just like have like having multiple partners whatever it is

Haley Hermsthat you're into there's much more communication and honesty that has to go on enough Don can we move on from this BS also Brian we can totally see you playing

Brian AtlasSolitaire in the ref I played it for like 3 minutes it was just 3 minutes I was just having a little little little fun moment there were you actually yeah I was playing soliter for like 3 minutes I was still listening I was multitasking it just just for a little yeah but what

Andrew Wilsonwhat about you then do you think that um Society is better off let's say that we kept you know all my rights in place right it just generally speak you think society's better off modest heima

TTS/Donationsdonated $200 I would still simp thr number 1bc she Dum a f but hot a chat hates but F

TTS/Donationsshe wants to cook clean and care it's obvious brickson will cancel but panel do you support Israel or terrorists

Brian Atlasthat's not really um within the purview of of uh dating so uh we're not going to go there but um thank you for the uh do

Brian Atlasyou want to respond to him though I mean oh that was directed towards me uh yes Ed towards brickson no well no the first part of it he said he'd still s for you

TTS/Donationsbecause you're hot AF okay grid One Motorsports $200 I am needlessly suffering through this panel's cookie replies and topics

TTS/Donationseven Bea inore cheeks has gone soft listening to these girls I wish the future divorce lawyers and Cat vet all the

Brian Atlasbest thank you yo thank you good one Motorsports wait okay I totally lost track what my question was I was asking

Brian Atlasum does monogamy imply married the same necessarily no not necessarily okay let me ask you oh oh I I remember my question so let's say

Brian Atlasthere's a household with Children what do you think would be the best parental relationship for children what's the relationship

Haley Hermscircumstance between the parents I mean is it like monogamy like I every day wish my parents would get a divorce and was like oh my God and then one day my best friend's parents got a divorce and it was like the end of the world for her

Andrew Wilsonyeah but do you think it's what he's asking is is it optimal do you think for most parents or most most to be man and a woman in a loving relationship inside

Andrew Wilsonof a household do you think that that's mostly Superior to like a single mom situation for yes in every economy is it mostly Superior like at all times is it mostly

Brian Atlassuperior to the alternative I guess two questions is it wait wait just one one clarification is it most optimal for the family unit for the children and is it most optimal for Society at large

Haley Hermsbroadly speaking I think if there's no abuse and like things of that nature then yeah it's optimal who well could there could be abuse in other kind of arrangements like polyamorous relationships too in

Haley Hermsall arrangements okay well if we're spanding to all the arrangements so okay so then what's the question well let's just assume that yeah there could be there's a large subset of otherwise healthy

Brian Atlasrelationships and some of them might be unhealthy but that would also apply to all other kind of uh Arrangements that people have whether it's poly or whether it's monogamy well we we are but that

Haley Hermshaving a monogamous relationship two parents stay together for the kids is the better choice yeah I mean if there's not like like I said if there's not abuse going on then yeah I would say

Andrew Wilsonjust in general it's always like having someone else to help cook or clean or is that what you think the value is is just the material value or is there an immaterial value that's also useful I

Andrew Wilsonthink there can be immaterial value but like masculinity and femininity and all of the different things that these non-interchangeable widgets known as man and woman bring to the table when it comes to raising a child I mean yeah we

Andrew Wilsoncould throw all that in there but I'm also like bisexual and wouldn't mind raising kids with a female or by myself yeah but do you think that that's an optimal Arrangement versus having a man and a woman raise the child like the the

Haley Hermswhat's the what do you think is the most conducive thing for the most part so we're not talking about everything i i two like what I call two gay dads and they raise a bunch of kids every it's I

Brian Atlasso we're it kind of hard we going homosexual heterosexual does that matter in the thing like are we just saying two people hold on for the sake of the conversation let's not let's not

Brian Atlasintroduce this other Paradigm when it comes to sexuality $200 we're obligated to treat others as we'd like to be treated cooperation is

Haley Hermsvital to the human population continuing true agreed agreed so okay so it doesn't in this monogamous relationship with doesn't matter if they're gay straight by whatever we're just saying a monog

Haley HermsRel let's just keep it to monogamy yes okay then yeah I think it's optimal to have two people around to help with you know takes a village to raise a child in

Fara Khaljithat theory I think it is optimal is there other benefits yes okay go go ahead far I think the whole point is it's supposed to align with your proclivity so if you coer someone who naturally is lesbian or gay into a

Fara Khaljimonogamous situation maybe they're more likely to cheat and that's going to disrupt the family home and affect you know have adverse outcomes for the child so it' be better for those people who have those traits whether it's homosexuality or poly to not enter those situations but I think you're saying

Brian Atlaseven if people do have that proclivity to other men or 10 women they should still enter I I want to move I want to keep it strictly to monogamy I don't want to introduce um but then what's the alternative what are you

Brian Atlaspitting monogamy against in this situation heterosexual homosexual couples they can both be monogamous I want to keep it strictly on like one man one woman like femininity mascul

Andrew Wilsonmonogamy he would say whether you're Pagan or homosexual whatever they can all enter into monogamous relationships that's they can I guess I thought you were talking were you not talking about female male monogamy I was talking I was

YamaniI was the question was just strictly monogamy okay so even if it's two guys or two girls you think that as long as they're monogamous that's op that would that would be better than guy and a girl

Brian Atlasthat would be okay that would be better than if it was like a household where there were like Sister Wives there were like five men and they were all raising

Brian Atlasor like five women or three men three women like some polyamorous so thing I think it would be better for it to be monogamous on to your point of like femininity and

Yamanimasculinity because just curious because you're also talking about homosexuality like do you think that you need like feminine and masculine in a home to

Andrew Wilsonraise a healthy child no matter like do you is that what you're saying also that like be some generally speaking it's more optimal Arrangement yes now here I

Andrew Wilsoncan kind of demonstrate this to you you would agree with me that every human being on planet Earth has a mother and a father right yes well do you think that considering

Andrew Wilsonthat Humanity has thrived for as long as it has that there's a possibility that that Arrangement is maybe the best

Yamaniarrangement for why that has happened for why women and men make why everyone has a mom and dad no not why

Andrew Wilsoneverybody has a mom and a dad but the arrangement of having a mom and a dad seems to have led to humans thriving and the mom and dad clearly have a vested

Andrew Wilsoninterest in the child right they clearly have a vested interest in the child in that particular configuration I mean yeah I mean there's

Andrew Wilsona lot of people who don't stick around and raise their kids so I think yeah but those are all those are outliers those are exceptions to the rule right yes yeah so but there's a lot of

Andrew Wilsonthem so that might not be that's increasing but I would make the argument that that's increasing because the amount of what I call social degeneracy is increasing so behaviors like that people are more apt to engage in them

Brian Atlasbecause of a lack of stigma and social shaming in society so but do you think the government has anything to play in that hold on I want to move this on um

Brian Atlasall right all right so hold on let's uh Jesus Christ okay um hold on uh wait let me see sorry guys I'm just getting getting my notes caught up here

Andrew WilsonI don't know what it or what I'm not supposed to be moving into I feel like I keep on moving into something that I'm not supposed to but I'm not sure what it

Brian Atlasis uh it's I feel like we're kind of I don't know in the weeds huh in the weeds no not that um here let me move things on uh Haley I got some questions for you

Brian Atlasgetting into some of your notes um in your pre-show notes to us you described yourself as a socialist yes with an interest in Traditional Values communism

Brian Atlasyou okay Nick in communism Nick you okay yeah I'm fine okay um you said okay sorry go ahead you said interest in

Haley Hermscommunism communism but also like some Traditional Values communism yeah oh come on you're not well you okay well

Haley Hermsthat see I I don't that's why I say socialist because I'm still like full doing my deep dive into communism but I think if communism worked how it was

Haley Hermsactually supposed to work and not how like we've had the Red Scare and how people in history have painted out communism to be then yeah I think

Haley Hermscommunism would be a great concept if we could do it properly a stateless society

Haley Hermsum to to a degree it's just everyone helping everyone everyone having homes everybody being able to like have some kind of food Water Shelter clothes like

Haley HermsI feel like the recklessness that you've been kind of referring to is part of it is like people like stealing because not because they want to steal and because they want to be Reckless but they want

Haley Hermsto resell the stolen merch so that they could buy their baby diapers or afford formula and so I agree to a degree some of the Reckless Behavior is going up but I think also part of that is there's

Haley Hermspeople that do want monogamous the nuclear family thing but we can't afford it in this economy the way like inflation's going it's like there was an article that was like Millennials don't

Haley Hermswant this they want a downsize they want this we I we would like marriage we would like not everyone but there is but the government and Society hasn't set us

Haley Hermsup like that so I mean if you're into this whole procreation thing and like that's like very important to you wouldn't communism like make sense because everyone would have everything

Andrew Wilsonthey need and therefore we would could focus on procreation so the problem with this is you're making a materialist argument okay so let me let me just walk

Andrew Wilsonyou through it what you're saying is right now we have the best standard of living that we've ever had in history there's more materialism available to anybody than there ever has been we have cell phones and we have big screen TV and we have these great cameras and we

Andrew Wilsonhave all this electricity and these light bulbs and all the clothes and all the new cars and all the this and all the that if we just added more materialism wouldn't people have children I think she if we evened it out

Andrew Wilsonnot I don't even I'm not even thinking about that I'm thinking just like the minimum wage yeah right but all these people have all of these things already intact they already have the houses they already have the money they already have the everything they're still not having

Andrew Wilsonthe children of them do they do and there the you not know who has the children the people who don't have that the poor people the people have no money people have no housing the people who live poor those are the ones that have

Andrew Wilsonthe most amount of children poor people dispropor overwhelmingly have more children than all the rest of the segments of society a lot of that has to do with lack of resources though which could be government funded so then it

Andrew Wilsoncan't be a material answer so it can't be a material answer to my question of when you say if you want people to reproduce shouldn't you give them more material means like well every time I look at the people who have the least amount of material REM means they

Haley Hermsreproduce the most the not even material mean well if they're I that I don't understand how they have the most material means but they're also the poorest because I'm not talking about material means I'm just talking about no no the least I said the least so they

Andrew Wilsonhave the least amount of material means and they still reproduce the most even though they have the least amount of materialism so that's not going to help me with my goal okay so what you want though is when you say I want a fair allocation of resource I want people to

Andrew Wilsonhave I don't even know what you what you want them to have because every communist is different so let's just say like I'm going to be as maximum charitable as I can possibly be to you everyone gets a house okay like I don't know a starter home I'm guessing you

Andrew Wilsondon't want everybody to have a mansion right no everyone basic house everyone has enough house for all their kids and they have basic things being taken care of for them right clothes water food electricity MH now the fundamentals to

Andrew Wilsonthis the big problem you have with this worldview is when even though you think of Rights in a different way than I do using your kind of reasoning for what a right is does do you ever have a right

Andrew Wilsonto anybody else's service no well then communism can't work and and free health care can't work and none of those things can work because because you're saying you don't

Haley Hermshave a right to the services of others I could understand that and recently though I was reading about this Village in Italy and there it's a communist Village and around roughly like only

Haley Hermslike 30% of them choose to work and the other 70% like just live their lives so they like kind of just live together whatever but not

Andrew Wilsoneveryone works and serves but doesn't mean that their life is less valuable yeah but the the question becomes this let's say in in some small scales different communes can work because they

Andrew Wilsonalways have been able to right you can have a bunch of like-minded people start a commune and all of them work towards the common good no money no nothing nobody's saying that that can't work in a small scale because everybody's agreeing but on a large scale when you

TTS/Donationshave people who don't they're like wait I don't want to be your doctor do venil has donated $200 you communist idiot everything you said is exactly what people lack in

TTS/Donationscommunist countries if you really want to be a red you are free to go live like the armor the like a red nck yeah well he's saying a red a communist red oh

Brian Atlaswait what are your thoughts on capitalism you you like it you might if I just finished almost done yeah no no go ahead go ahead we're very close to being finished with this so the the

Andrew Wilsonthing is is that if you if you can't compel other people to give you service if you have the best heart surgeons and you have the the best at breast augmentation whatever it is right they

Andrew Wilsonand they say I'm not doing that for you I'm not going to go open up that guy's heart and I'm not going to fix it I'm not doing it right you don't feel like you can compel him to do it right so then he's going to be able to name

Andrew Wilsonhis price and your communism doesn't work that's the the big hole the big hole is that the reason you always see communist countries which are completely and totally authoritarian run at the literal barrel of a gun is because they

Haley Hermshave to compel people to give their service and if you're not willing to do that you can't have communism well that's that's what I'm saying is like that's not what I think true communism is and I'm not saying communism would work in America I definitely don't think

Haley HermsI mean maybe one day that would take a lot of whatever but I don't think we're going to ever get there especially in our generation but I do think that if it happened it would be like a Utopia which

Haley Hermsis hard to imagine everybody like somehow having their part or just making the flow of everything works so everyone can live and choose whether they want to

Brian Atlaswork or not work but wait so in a communist Utopia what would be the in like if you want to work you can work if you don't you don't have what about like CU there's certainly jobs that are currently in under capitalism that are

Brian Atlasundesirable and I suspect those same jobs would also exist under communism like there's some jobs that suck right that are dangerous wants to go do the sewer work in other words in your communist YouTu I mean people people get

Andrew Wilsonup and do it they they do it now because they get paid a lot of money they have a higher incentive than other people who do other Industries because they're doing a horrible job get paid a lot for it under communism you can either be like would there be like movie stars

Brian Atlasunder communism I don't know I haven't thought that far what do you what do you mean let's say I want to be a movie star under communism but there's also a job that

Brian Atlasrequires men to go to the sewers and or uh you know be line workers go into low freezing stor movie star what if but wouldn't everybody want to be a movie

TTS/Donationsstar versus having an undesirable job even for a hypothetical situation like this I feel like that's more like exaggerated because at some point

TTS/Donationspeople there would all just movie $ you would not last a week in the bread lines no communism for you socialism has failed door is failing in every society

Macythe claim it just has not been done right is horse hockey fair I have a point about um and I guess I can ask your opinion on this but what if you in

Macya in the Communist Utopia that you're speaking about what if you had to be the line worker like I think that's where it kind of falls apart right because nobody would choose to do that I'm personally

Haley Hermslike a good so if it's like I if it if it's kind of want like one of those one guys for a thousand then I personally am probably one of those people that would

Andrew Wilsonbe like like that's what that's like ma that's a very rare thing goes and he says but I'm saying there's more people that's got to exist like me he says this country really needs trenches Doug in a big way it needs it needs some

Andrew Wilsoninfrastructure work we have too many of those academics we don't need them anymore so all those people who wanted to be academics and were academics there the really smart people he made them dig ditches because that's what they needed

Andrew Wilsonthat's what we they needed in their Society for that's what he said anyway this is what we need so you academics you dumb Eggheads all you people come up with all these smart ideas dig ditches

Macyyeah dig some holes right so but the thing is like I I think it's easier to speak in that in a hypothetical situation though but we're also I know I get you're a good sport but like would

Yamaniyou actually we also live under capitalism so for us to try to really like rationalize doing these things under communism is crazy because we live with the freedom to like

Yamanichoose places like places that have been like remotely like Untouched by Society where like they don't clock into jobs and they just the women have babies they like someone's a cook someone's a nurse

Yamanisomeone's a midwife like there are societies where that's like no one's forcing this person to like be the nurse or be the medicine man or whatever but we're speaking from like a place where we we can go out and like we know there's people who make like $330,000 a

Brian Atlasmonth or whatever we're speaking from like a very of course we wouldn't be able communism for you under communism would someone who requires significant uh educational achievement academic achievement for for example

Brian Atlassomebody who wants to be a brain surgeon would they somehow live better under communism than the person that doesn't want to do anything or would it it would be totally equal because then what is the incentive

Brian Atlasto like or let's say a physically laborious job which is damaging to your body what would be the incentive if you had the option to not work to go spend this time some people just like helping

Haley Hermsother people is is that I know that's like the most cliche yeah I it's hard because in this Society like people want want something out of it I ask my dad will you go to therapy

Haley Hermshe goes what's in it for me like you know that like Society is especially in America like well what a what am I going to get out of it but I truly believe with my corny little heart that there's

Haley Hermspeople out there that just want to be like I'll help my neighbor or you know I'll I'll do the the right thing then don't they do that now

Haley Hermsthen right choice yeah but do they do that now cuz if they do that now then what do you need communism for anyway if that's just the natural inclination of everybody to do what's

Haley Hermsnice to do the right thing I think more people would but sometimes doing the right thing isn't always affordable what who can't afford to do the right thing like you not everyone can afford to like

Andrew Wilsonthe homeless man change or not everyone can like give someone a sweatshirt off their back or but if you can't afford to give a homeless man change and so you don't you haven't done the wrong thing so the thing is is when you're start

Andrew Wilsonwhen talking about the wrong the right thing you're saying I just believe in my heart that basically everybody really wants to do the right thing yes then in

TTS/Donationscapitalism is everybody basically doing the right thing one Motorsports donated $200 under communism no free college no free speech no free anything no idea why

TTS/Donationspeople think communism is somehow going to be this existence where they do nothing they do not want to grow the F up yeah I'm just saying the people's nature shouldn't change between

Haley Hermscommunism and capital what would be the change in the nature uh survival yeah literally like that I've been homeless before and when I've been homeless

Haley HermsInstinct that's increasing increasing day by day and there people that don't even have $500 in their bank account for a rainy day wait I got I've got a question I've got a question uh you guys

TTS/Donationsall have what's going on what oh it's just hard for me to sit for such a long time I'm back iated

TTS/Donations$200 one day in my communist Utopia Jennifer Lawrence will be my wife and you women would stop saying such absurd things and Myra would grab brixon by the

Brian Atlashair and throw him against the wall oh one day okay all right uh Nickelodeon thank you very much there's another one that's about to come in so I'm just waiting for it it's just one after the other uh thank you

Brian AtlasNickelodeon appreciate it man thank you grid one thank you modest hakama that's about to oh Flyn life thank you for the gifted five memberships um hold on it's about to trigger one sec guys yo Flyn

TTS/Donationslife thank you dude modest hikima donated $200 do you really think you would thrive underc panel when on a third day T I ask what is your view on the

TTS/Donationsconflict in the Middle East what is your answer oh my God if brixon redirects he loves haras trying to I mean I don't think

Haley Hermsanyone would survive under current communism in other countries and how we've painted out communism to be and conflict in the Middle East is different

Haley Hermsto everybody you know I think there's a way that there's a neutral weirdly a neutral side I have friends that are very free Palestine and I have friends that will

Brian Atlaslike take a bullet for Israel and I can somehow land in the middle so uh question for you so in communism and look I'm not this is not a topic I'm

Brian Atlasparticularly well versed in but in communism would there let's say nobody wanted to do a certain job would would there be an authority would force people

Haley Hermsto do a certain job like let's say there was a necessary job that just had to be done I think by Nature people would eventually see how bad the problem's getting and then bond together to fix it

TTS/Donationsif it really got that bad but what if nobody wanted to become like a brain surgeon or something donated $200 thank you as much

TTS/Donationsas I try to fight it I'm no match for you you've won my heart now and forever

Brian Atlasokay thank you st rezy appreciate it um oh we have grid one coming in here um wait oh question related to hold on it's GD grid one's about to

TTS/Donationscome uh Nick really guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever oh wait too late too late to grid One Motorsports donated $200 last on the subject communism sucks

TTS/Donationsthe life out of everything it touches if you cannot handle money or make money is your fault the opportunity is there for all I grew up there poor now I am not

Brian Atlasnow he's not grid one there you go and same for Andrew question uh for for you guys under communism and I know maybe some of you wouldn't don't want communism I don't

Brian Atlasknow all of you do only fans correct would you under communism would you continue to would you do only fans under communism would you be able to

Brian Atlasswordless would you want to I don't know I'm just curious would would well I mean I still do you don't make money from it right would you I don't think you'd make money well I'm not all the only fans

Haley Hermswould just be would the only it just be free there's like no charge for the only fans I mean yeah I guess if that's something I really like enjoyed doing to that extent thank you for I right now just the only fans that's like a job and

Andrew Wilsonnot so much like oh this fun thing okay how much porn do you think would be reduced what do you mean it would be like be like 1% left of it or less like

Yamaninot everyone does por on only fans though no I'm just I'm just I'm not even talking about just wait under communism is it like only jobs that have some sort of yeah I don't know I'm not doing only

Brian Atlasfans probably would have really exist under communism would it really I me you just really love would makeup like would there be no makeup on cuz like there's not be makeup there was makeup yeah who

Haley Hermswants to make it like wants to go to the chemical plant to make women's makeup to make it I mean you could do it with berries or like like natural D like what do you think Native Americans used to do

Andrew Wilsonlike it's not just for like oh men's G but who's going to get all the berries for you to put it all over your face why don't I go do it Forge in the let's go well I mean if you live in the middle like let's pretend you live in the middle of the city like where you going to get your barries for

Brian Atlasyour make you know what I mean probably don't do you think that a minute ago you said that it's the way that communism is H oh my God thank you modest thank you the way

Macythat communism is happening in other countries yeah wouldn't you be like tend to believe that that would be the way it would continue on like why why would it be different in your communist

Haley HermsUtopia well I think there's just a lot of like things backed up politically in all those different countries that have communism why would they be different in

Haley Hermsyours um because I think communism isn't just about like putting the power and like one like when I see other communist countries even though it's supposed to be like for the people

Haley Hermsusually see like one kind of like dictator or something but why like why is it like that uh politics Eugenics

Andrew Wilsonracism I'm just asking cuz no it's like that because the reason you always have to have a strong man you have to have force in those Nations is because they have to compel Services people who would not ordinarily give them unless they

Andrew Wilsonwere paid that's why that's why you always have a strong arm authoritarianism inside of Communism to the point of ridiculousness is because how do you get medical services from people who don't want to give them to

Andrew Wilsonyou unless you pay them like how do you do that without compelling them to do my friends that are nurses don't want to be like the thing that makes nice to be a nurse is that you get paid so much

Andrew Wilsonmoney exactly that's the thing that people like about it here NES like who wants to go wipe old man's butt what about janitor's butt what about janitors um no one likes to wipe old people's

Andrew Wilsonbutt but if it's something like you're talking about an obligation or a duty then you do it you just man the up and you do it man right an obligation or duty but an obligation or duty is not a thing that you guys when I asked

Andrew Wilsoneverybody at this table basically I feel like she only answered that question the same question obligation and duties I think that your your kind of threshold there is that you don't really think that there's that much in the way of

Andrew Wilsonobligation or Duty in comparison to kind of the I I can't I don't even know if I can say it so I'm just not going to but whatever I would deem like a degenerate Behavior right you don't have any Duty

Haley Hermsdo you have any duty to not do any form of degenerate behavior that would be the question Ian so reasons not to do degenerate and what degenerate

Andrew Wilsonmeans in this is is is without morals it means without morals to yeah loads loads of stuff that you should move against I

Haley Hermsmean reasons why I have have those duties or like yeah I mean okay I have God children my

Haley HermsI don't have much family like now if somebody doesn't want to do one of those duties this is the question would you make them I don't think you can really like

Andrew Wilsonmake it you be diso you can just like then inside of your Paradigm if we apply the same thing and say okay you think people have duties to do this and then they don't well nothing gets done that's why

Haley Hermswe call it that's why I'm calling it a Utopia because do I think that will actually exist no if it was supposed to work the way it what the framework is and not the leaderships and the politics

Andrew Wilsonwhere everybody had to do the horrible job except you right everybody put you right no I feel like I'm the one to do the most horrible job well if we did

Haley Hermshave communism would you would you take the job of working in the sewers if I had to if you had you had to if I like if I felt like the people in my Village

TTS/Donationsor town or wherever weren't like standing the up $2 is the ultimate lus test for whether a person is capable of selfo

Brian Atlasif you can't depend on PPA to return their shopping cart how can you count on them to do right it's good question that's very true I always is true raven

Brian Atlasd it's capitalism that's to chip her up a little bit stop sulking in the corner there there still cookies on the table I'm kind of hungry are you you're hungry are there still

Meracookies yeah I don't think they've even can I walk around please wait I'm feeling really restless just wait just a sec because we will give you more tension I know no no no it's not attention like really it's my back I can be still in the frame in here is that

Brian Atlasokay do you want to do jumping jacks or something yeah something like that or maybe just I think the audience would be okay with that free P give him a massage you want to give me a massage no I'm

Brian Atlasnot um I mean if you want to stand behind me you can give me or well I don't think no maybe not Andrew but so no cookies or yeah they're over there on theable cies are they're on the

Brian Atlastable you're both going to excuse the I asked first the nice lady brought the I guess you can eat them here if that works uh okay here I'm going to do I'm going to do some chats guys yo Savage chipmunk let's remove women's right to choose who they date altogether they

Brian Atlashave no idea as to what the high value man is in the first place and they don't even use their brains what I don't know if I not sure I agree with you on that one brother okay um heram life and3 okay

Brian Atlasbrother okay that's a little much um grass all right we have doc vas here why is she coming this way these actually are so dope they look like soap green or

Brian Atlasorange which one I think wait what are you doing over there she's the hungry one trying to H the host oh my God okay in communist Cuba doctors are slave labor and get paid $50 a month cab

Brian Atlasdrivers make more money my apologies to the Amish they live freely yo thank you doc vas thank you man appreciate it okay I've got some pre-show notes here um oh did you want to address that really quick I'd like to try to move on I'll

Brian Atlastake one wait what what oh cute um you also said kind of not related to this your Shir

Brian Atlasthat feminist you you consider yourself a feminist with traditional elements yeah oh my God these are going to be so noisy okay um can you guys

Brian Atlasreally not just chill for the are you really that hungry yeah okay all right um just try to be quiet when you're opening these I

Brian Atlasguess just get rid of the plastic probably fine um so you say a feminist with traditional elements I'm just curious what are the what are the

Haley Hermstraditional elements um so like when I date a man like that is something where I think I value more a traditional sense

TTS/Donationsof like um like we talked masculinity and femininity I know it keeps interrup $200 communism is so great why so many

TTS/Donationsmigrants from communist countries to the USA good point do you want to move to China and live under Jinping no # feminism is cancer sorry brick we just haven't done it this right yet we

Brian Atlashaven't done it the right right way this time we haven't done it the right way yet that's the whole problem every time right um but so you said when it comes to dating you prefer some of the more traditional elements with men so just

Haley Hermswhat are some of those so like for example like I feel like I don't mind the whole like cooking cleaning uh the I guess you would say like the modern

Haley Hermshousewife kind of bit right but I also think that comes with like a man who can provide and like take care of the other things while I do those things whereas like today so many guys are like I want

Haley Hermsa traditional housewife that has a full-time job and pays half the bills and like so I still am interested in some Traditional

Haley HermsValues but I mean like for example I think men should allowed to like Express their emotions and cry and have that but I also think like if we're talking about

TTS/Donationsmasculinity these days or more so like La guys are like more like women I'm sorry that they inter it keeps interrupting can we move on the circus wants it tent back and it is obvious

TTS/Donationsthis 304 is just spewing stuff someone told her while she was high question for the panel how low should you bow to your man I mean what's he bringing to the

Haley Hermstable like I think that's a problem that what's he bringing to the table kind of like well that's get asked to girl girls all the time I've literally been told I work too much I make too much more money

Haley Hermsthan a man like I've I've personally encountered men that were threatened by like how nice my apartment was how much money I made how much and this and that

Yamaniand although like I don't think men are threat feel threatened by that okay I will say it's some men is into if you're insecure that can make you uncomfortable

Yamanibecause we have put a lot of pressure on a man to provide and in in turn that means providing financially and so sometimes sometimes not every single guy

Haley Hermsbut some men are in intimidated by if you make more money than them it I I don't know if she's saying that that makes her better than not every man I've dated but there's definitely been a handful

Haley Hermsthat were just like intimidated like oh I didn't have this apartment when I was your age or oh like why are you always working when are you going to make time for me but it like I think thats off the

Macyoff your comment though about what he brings to the table because if it was the other way around I don't agree with that either like what does she bring to the table because and not to say that you go off sis let it

Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next