HEATED DEBATE On NOT Reciprocating In The Bedroom?! | Dating Talk #99

Date: 2023-09-11
Duration: 4h 58m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS(audience)
SPEAKER_02Amy Dangerfield(guest)
SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_05Lauren(guest)
SPEAKER_06Emmy(guest)
SPEAKER_07Pixie(guest)
SPEAKER_08Kathy(guest)
SPEAKER_09Alessia(guest)

Key Moments

00:28:00
OtherLauren reveals she dated Martin Shkreli on-and-off for ~2 years, moved in briefly, and remains friends. Story includes fake Tiffany's proposal on livestream where he said 'just kidding' after she said yes.

He took me to a Tiffany's and then he proposed to me in the Tiffany's and then when I said yes he said just kidding

00:33:47
OtherLauren discloses she served 2 years in the military (honorable discharge), earned a math degree, went to law school, and passed the bar — currently tutoring.

so on like my military paperwork says I have an honorable discharge I honorably served my country for two years did basic training I did OSUT I did SEER then I went on to get a math degree and then I went on to go to law school and then I passed the bar

01:53:33
OtherAlessia discloses history of in-person sex work including the Bunny Ranch, being arrested twice at age 19, and a difficult childhood that led her to sex work.

I was just doing different types of sex work like everything everything you could possibly think of and it was the Bunny Ranch

02:06:15
ControversyHeated debate over reciprocating oral sex. Brian says he does not perform oral sex but ensures partner climaxes in other ways. Pixie pushes back strongly that this is selfish. Emmy says it must be mutual.

is it a deal breaker if a guy doesn't want to go down on you

02:36:15
QuoteBrian jokes that the only woman who could give him a satisfactory hand job would be a virtuoso cellist with the technique from playing strings.

I will accept a dry handy from a cello player like a virtuous cello or violin otherwise these normal women out here who don't have the necessary the requisite technique

03:18:57
OtherLauren self-rates her looks as 3-4. Pixie reveals that 7 men approached Lauren at bars in a single night, arguing Lauren is delusional for rating herself that low.

uh Lauren four three...this girl we went out to the freaking bars like the other day a seven men hit on her like in the night like one after that after the other

03:58:00
Key MomentPixie accuses Brian's feminism arguments of being based on only talking to conservative men, not actual feminist research. Brian calls her argument erroneous. Exchange becomes heated with both talking over each other.

you literally yeah to stem which is one of the biggest disparities...you can say no no but guess what I'm a feminist I'm actually part of these movements

Topics Discussed

00:00:04
Guest introductions and relationship status round

Brian introduces panel; each guest gives name, age, occupation, and relationship status. Includes discussion of Kathy's non-binary dating, Pixie's pansexuality, Emmy's DM pitch deck boyfriend, Alessia's post-breakup celibacy, Lauren's non-binary identity and Martin Shkreli connection, Amy's 4-year ended relationship.

00:28:00
Martin Shkreli story

Lauren describes her ~2-year on-and-off quasi-relationship with Martin Shkreli before and during his criminal proceedings. Details the fake Tiffany's proposal livestream prank where he said 'just kidding' after she said yes.

00:40:00
OnlyFans safety, parasocial relationships, and sex work

Discussion of OnlyFans parasocial dynamics, male ownership feelings from financial transactions, whether OF is safer than traditional in-person sex work. Amy raises concerns about lack of safety protocols. Alessia defends OF as safer from her personal experience in multiple forms of sex work.

00:49:00
Violence statistics: male vs female victims, street safety

Debate on whether women or men face more violence. Brian argues women receive free male protection on streets; Pixie counters with bystander effect and NYC subway assault cases. Emmy cites size differential as reason for intervention. Discussion of gang violence by race and gender demographics.

01:10:00
Dating dynamics: who pays, deal-breakers, serenade

First date paying debate (Alessia: man should pay because he invited), body hair preferences, love languages, gift-giving reciprocity, whether being serenaded is romantic or cringe. Brian says he would not serenade.

02:06:15
MAIN DEBATE: Reciprocating oral sex

Heated debate on whether refusing to perform oral sex on a partner is a deal-breaker if the partner has no expectation of reciprocation. Brian reveals he does not perform oral sex but ensures partner climaxes other ways. Discussion of hand jobs vs. blow jobs. Pixie and Emmy argue reciprocation is required for fairness.

02:42:00
Attraction, OnlyFans income, and dating OF creators

Whether men would date women with OnlyFans. Self-rating round: guests rate their looks 1-10. Discussion of attractiveness subjectivity vs. objective symmetry-based metrics. Pixie rated herself 7, Amy 6, Kathy 7, Alessia 9-10, Lauren 4.

03:15:00
Feminism, nature vs. nurture, and wage gap

Whether guests consider themselves feminists. STEM representation debate. Nature vs nurture on gender differences in work ethic and ambition. Amy argues evolutionary psychology drives male work drive. Pixie and Emmy argue social conditioning explains disparities. Wage gap discussion.

04:11:00
Male privilege vs. male oppression

Brian asks if male privilege provides more benefit than female privilege. Discussion of emotional suppression as male oppression. Pixie argues social norms cause more discrimination against women than laws. Brian argues toplessness is the only legal right differential. Tubal ligation policies debated.

04:27:00
Military conscription vs. women's right to vote

Brian argues forced military conscription is a greater historical grievance than women not having the right to vote. Pixie and Lauren counter that lack of voting rights meant total subjugation without legal recourse. Discussion of historical domestic violence norms, IDF mandatory service. Brian notes women got the vote in 1920 just two years after WWI.

Transcript

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04:52:26
Brian Atlasperiod where men wholesale had the right to vote and women didn't uh for the vast majority of human history no one did most most men couldn't vote
04:52:36
Brian Atlasmost women couldn't vote so it's like a maybe a hundred year period even less that women or that men could on mass
04:52:46
Brian Atlasvote and then women just couldn't so it's it's been it's not about I think is around equal now yeah we're probably chilling okay we got Spencer Richmond with just 50 hey thank
04:52:58
Brian Atlasyou very much Spencer appreciate it uh let's see how we doing here uh I think we're caught up on everything uh anyone final thought really quick before we wrap
04:53:10
Emmyright now anybody want to share their body I think depression stems from Mostly socio-economic circumstances when you don't have like a stable place to live
04:53:21
Emmyrather than body count yeah because or um I was going back at what Amy was saying with how a lot of women will feel depression if they were um
04:53:31
Emmyhaving high body counts but I think that most people are depressed in society in general if they are of lower income level because there's like the the triangle of knees like the top is like
04:53:44
Amy Dangerfieldself-actualization and then the bottom is like food shelter your basic necessity is being met yeah but I yeah your mental health complaint like I feel like there are some people who would be
04:53:54
Amy Dangerfieldhappier making 40 000 per year or being broke who are not putting themselves through that versus women who are making 400 000 per year who are sexualizing themselves or sleeping with men for
04:54:06
Amy Dangerfieldmoney I think that they're the vast majority of 40K earners would be happier than the 400k earners who are whoring themselves out or who are making themselves into a commodity what about
04:54:17
Emmylike two episodes UK 400k like what about like a woman who's five years I'll wrap it up uh Pixie last thing do you what do you think of men what do I
04:54:28
Pixiethink of men do you dislike men no I love men oh you do okay uh that's why I get sad like that's why I say men are oppressed and stuff because I think they are and then it seems like feminists
04:54:39
Brian Atlasdon't really like men yeah I love men that's the bad ones I think oh okay all right guys last call hit the like button please on your way out thank you for tuning in tonight you could have been anywhere in the world but you were here with me I appreciate that thank you to everyone who super chats donates and
04:54:52
Brian Atlassupports the show thank you to the panel that's a good it's a decent panel oh okay we got eyes wide shut really quick I'll get that in just a second can you pull that up it's weird that that one popped up um
04:55:03
Brian Atlasand the rest didn't yo thank you man for the Canadian hundred uh so now having money to throw around is a negative pixie so which is it I got bags and I'm well above six feet what's it to you besides being too high value for the
04:55:14
Pixielikes of you I don't know I feel like did you hear that pixie he's value for you I feel like he wants me like he's like trying to like Flex like nagging yeah
04:55:26
Brian Atlasit's not that's what it's it's giving me nothing would you wait pixie if he went to streamlabs.com whatever right now and dropped a champagne trigger
04:55:37
Brian Atlasum would you go on a date with him um please say yes so we can drink quick eyes wide shut up I'm doing it just for you Brian just eyes wide shot you want us to pop some champagne you
04:55:50
Pixiegotta you got you got three minutes so you'll go on a flight oh wait I this it has to be live filmed I don't feel comfortable going alone
04:56:04
Brian AtlasI feel like pixie I think you're super Progressive and liberal but I feel like the type of
04:56:10
Brian Atlasguy you go for is just like the most intense conservative super trash like Christian super religious you guys just
04:56:22
Brian Atlasthink that because I get along with all the chat cons umption um so okay uh thank you to the panel Let's see we have oh thank you to Britt
04:56:34
Brian Atlasfor helping with timestamps any women who want to be on the show DML whatever on Instagram we will be live again what Tuesday at oh yep he's not okay he's not gonna do that Tuesday at 5 00 p.m he
04:56:45
Alessiadoesn't it's not that he doesn't want to give me the it's me he just doesn't obviously you drop a thousand bucks do you think he's too nevermind what about anyone else though so you can drop it on anyone
04:56:57
Brian Atlaselse yeah you can drop it off come on now Kathy's kind of sort of single but not really you're definitely single
04:57:11
Brian Atlasyes she is hey you could swoop you could swoop and try to get Kathy's mom in Florida Kathy's mom has got it going on [Music]
04:57:22
Brian Atlasdo you have oh it looked like you were doing a hand raised pixie do you have something oh no I'm chilling I'm just happy guys be sure to go subscribe to Pixies only fans I'm just kidding she doesn't have one right but is it in the
04:57:34
Pixieworks is it I mean would you start one I not only fans I have cosplay pictures that I've thought about doing a fancy for Haram well I just I'm afraid that if I do that I'm gonna get a bunch of people like pressuring me to do nudes
04:57:46
Brian Atlasall the time and I don't know [Laughter] word okay guys be sure to tune in Tuesday Amy will be joining us again on Tuesday uh we have a we have a crazy
04:57:58
Brian Atlaspanel on Tuesday it's going to be insane it's gonna be wild so be sure to tune in on Tuesday all right guys we'll see you next time good night guys oh my