HEATED DEBATE On NOT Reciprocating In The Bedroom?! | Dating Talk #99

Date: 2023-09-11

Duration: 4h 58m

Guests

Brian Atlas

PPixie (DT130)>

AAmy Dangerfield >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS(audience)

SPEAKER_02Amy Dangerfield(guest)

SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_05Lauren(guest)

SPEAKER_06Emmy(guest)

SPEAKER_07Pixie(guest)

SPEAKER_08Kathy(guest)

SPEAKER_09Alessia(guest)

Key Moments

OtherLauren reveals she dated Martin Shkreli on-and-off for ~2 years, moved in briefly, and remains friends. Story includes fake Tiffany's proposal on livestream where he said 'just kidding' after she said yes.

“He took me to a Tiffany's and then he proposed to me in the Tiffany's and then when I said yes he said just kidding”

OtherLauren discloses she served 2 years in the military (honorable discharge), earned a math degree, went to law school, and passed the bar — currently tutoring.

“so on like my military paperwork says I have an honorable discharge I honorably served my country for two years did basic training I did OSUT I did SEER then I went on to get a math degree and then I went on to go to law school and then I passed the bar”

OtherAlessia discloses history of in-person sex work including the Bunny Ranch, being arrested twice at age 19, and a difficult childhood that led her to sex work.

“I was just doing different types of sex work like everything everything you could possibly think of and it was the Bunny Ranch”

ControversyHeated debate over reciprocating oral sex. Brian says he does not perform oral sex but ensures partner climaxes in other ways. Pixie pushes back strongly that this is selfish. Emmy says it must be mutual.

“is it a deal breaker if a guy doesn't want to go down on you”

QuoteBrian jokes that the only woman who could give him a satisfactory hand job would be a virtuoso cellist with the technique from playing strings.

“I will accept a dry handy from a cello player like a virtuous cello or violin otherwise these normal women out here who don't have the necessary the requisite technique”

OtherLauren self-rates her looks as 3-4. Pixie reveals that 7 men approached Lauren at bars in a single night, arguing Lauren is delusional for rating herself that low.

“uh Lauren four three...this girl we went out to the freaking bars like the other day a seven men hit on her like in the night like one after that after the other”

Key MomentPixie accuses Brian's feminism arguments of being based on only talking to conservative men, not actual feminist research. Brian calls her argument erroneous. Exchange becomes heated with both talking over each other.

“you literally yeah to stem which is one of the biggest disparities...you can say no no but guess what I'm a feminist I'm actually part of these movements”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship status round

Brian introduces panel; each guest gives name, age, occupation, and relationship status. Includes discussion of Kathy's non-binary dating, Pixie's pansexuality, Emmy's DM pitch deck boyfriend, Alessia's post-breakup celibacy, Lauren's non-binary identity and Martin Shkreli connection, Amy's 4-year ended relationship.

Martin Shkreli story

Lauren describes her ~2-year on-and-off quasi-relationship with Martin Shkreli before and during his criminal proceedings. Details the fake Tiffany's proposal livestream prank where he said 'just kidding' after she said yes.

OnlyFans safety, parasocial relationships, and sex work

Discussion of OnlyFans parasocial dynamics, male ownership feelings from financial transactions, whether OF is safer than traditional in-person sex work. Amy raises concerns about lack of safety protocols. Alessia defends OF as safer from her personal experience in multiple forms of sex work.

Violence statistics: male vs female victims, street safety

Debate on whether women or men face more violence. Brian argues women receive free male protection on streets; Pixie counters with bystander effect and NYC subway assault cases. Emmy cites size differential as reason for intervention. Discussion of gang violence by race and gender demographics.

Dating dynamics: who pays, deal-breakers, serenade

First date paying debate (Alessia: man should pay because he invited), body hair preferences, love languages, gift-giving reciprocity, whether being serenaded is romantic or cringe. Brian says he would not serenade.

MAIN DEBATE: Reciprocating oral sex

Heated debate on whether refusing to perform oral sex on a partner is a deal-breaker if the partner has no expectation of reciprocation. Brian reveals he does not perform oral sex but ensures partner climaxes other ways. Discussion of hand jobs vs. blow jobs. Pixie and Emmy argue reciprocation is required for fairness.

Attraction, OnlyFans income, and dating OF creators

Whether men would date women with OnlyFans. Self-rating round: guests rate their looks 1-10. Discussion of attractiveness subjectivity vs. objective symmetry-based metrics. Pixie rated herself 7, Amy 6, Kathy 7, Alessia 9-10, Lauren 4.

Feminism, nature vs. nurture, and wage gap

Whether guests consider themselves feminists. STEM representation debate. Nature vs nurture on gender differences in work ethic and ambition. Amy argues evolutionary psychology drives male work drive. Pixie and Emmy argue social conditioning explains disparities. Wage gap discussion.

Male privilege vs. male oppression

Brian asks if male privilege provides more benefit than female privilege. Discussion of emotional suppression as male oppression. Pixie argues social norms cause more discrimination against women than laws. Brian argues toplessness is the only legal right differential. Tubal ligation policies debated.

Military conscription vs. women's right to vote

Brian argues forced military conscription is a greater historical grievance than women not having the right to vote. Pixie and Lauren counter that lack of voting rights meant total subjugation without legal recourse. Discussion of historical domestic violence norms, IDF mandatory service. Brian notes women got the vote in 1920 just two years after WWI.

Transcript

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Amy Dangerfielddetermines what I speak what I think and literally my day-to-day interaction so I'm really not the person to ask about that I do agree that there are issues with that but I think that's very very

Amy Dangerfielddifferent that is not the slippery slope we're talking about and how maybe media and music is a little bit risque it's a little bit this and that versus blatantly sexualizing yourself well in

EmmyGame of Thrones like the first episode Khaleesi like you know was naked the brother touches his boob her boob and there's a lot of sexual things going on for me personally I hate all of that I

Amy Dangerfieldwould not engage with any of that and I would not let my children ever get I would be that or your protective mom who's like you don't get an iPad you don't get this you're not gonna have these things infect your subconscious Brain before you come to adulthood and

Amy Dangerfieldyou're able to determine how to react to those things but what if they get exposed to it anyway like and they and they probably they have friends because some have iPads absolutely absolutely internet but I think at the end of the

Amy Dangerfieldday the standards that you implement in your home like your leadership within your home needs to be stronger than the world world's programming that's what I thoroughly believe and I was somebody who used to say I didn't want to have kids I was strongly of the opinion I

Amy Dangerfielddon't want to have kids because I know this word is [ __ ] up and I don't want my kids to be affected by that but I have learned to accept personal accountability over the last year to the point where I've realized that my Parenthood my leadership of my children

Laurenneeds to be stronger than the world's influence over them and that's what I believe you're capable of doing that it's difficult but I believe that it's possible yeah I just think you're just so unbelievably talented and smart

Laurenbecause like being in the Junior Olympics that's very impressive I never grew taller so I never made it to the room uh I mean also you are well endowed so I'd imagine that would also be difficult

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Laurenwell either way you're very impressive and I just wonder like is there a reason that you would choose like do you have some sort of affinity to only fans into sex work when you have so much other

Laurentalent that you could put out there that and other people might find the sex work debating and also find that sex workers eventually find themselves debased but

Pixiewait what do you mean by the base um like welcome to the web for a podcast only fans intervention well no I think this is like the biggest like difference between like what you guys think and

Pixiewhat other people think and it's basically for everybody sex work is inherently the basic intimate for a lot of women but that doesn't necessarily mean like that sexualization sexualization of the self is seen as a bad thing it can become a

Pixiebad thing it can become objectification but I think a lot of people also associate that with a lot of other jobs that they think are even worse so for example McDonald's or like doing service Industries can get very objectifying and

Emmyhumiliating very quickly I I worked at the rec center here so I literally just went to the gym earlier today at UCSB I had to clean up literal human [ __ ] and I think that was like way more that's the

TTSmost humiliating thing ever for Amy I appreciate you teaching them that selling your body on the internet is not the you only way to make money

TTSthese days clearly there are better ways to make money than starting an early fans but how does one new RR what the learn of averages is

Laurenearn layer funds near

EmmyI mean I'm not saying it's the only way to make income but I think that's another Avenue that I want to take advantage of when I'm young once I hit like 33 or something then it's like completely gone or I can go towards an

EmmyAvenue where it's like oh it's just bikini modeling it's like oh it's equivalent to it's like oh your mom was like a Playboy bunny which for my circle and people in California and La is not that negative of a thing

Amy Dangerfieldhow did you start doing what you're doing like what was the moment and did you have any um questions or precautions about it before going in and if so what changed your mind so I used to do a patreon where I would sell professional

Emmyprints because I'm also really into photography and like cosplays and all of that so I would have I had a patreon and then everyone was moving towards only fans even though only fans had like a bad reputation and I'm like and but

Emmypeople were like you can do the same exact thing but then you just do it on the only fans platform because there's way more people on there and I think that was kind of the decision and then I saw the revenue and

Amy Dangerfieldit was like and then did you sexualize your photos more yeah you did your type of style of content change the more that you got into working on that platform and realizing what was acceptable at the time

Emmyum I guess it was a little bit more sexualized but I still do not for example show any vagina or like do any like but did you do patreon like

Amy Dangerfieldsexualized did you show your titties on patreon or just friendly fans no no I didn't show my titties on patreon but they're on only fans yeah so since you started only fans that was one boundary that you kind of were able to push

Emmythrough basically or was it against POS and patreon I think in patreon it was against you yeah patreon it is but I never thought that like topless content

Emmywas like super outrageous like I like looking at magazines that had like beautiful like new so I also was an art Miner and then we always had new models

Emmyto where we would draw them and I wasn't like how dare they show their titties and the guys are literally completely naked and he would draw their penises

Emmyand I just never thought that was a terrible thing it was at ucsv by the way it was like my like Finish Line penises what like yeah they were draw yeah they

Emmywould have nude models to like study the human body I just never thought it was such a like taboo thing okay question for all the girls here who

Brian Atlasdo only fans do you object to and maybe you've heard this from men but would you object to a man not wanting to date you because you do only fans

Brian Atlasbut but you have any feelings about it like [ __ ] you you don't know me no no no no

Alessiaperson like you know I could be the best wife the best mother just because my job title you're going to you know like [ __ ] yourself out of like pretty much because you can go be with a regular girl that has a nine to five and she's can be

Brian Atlasshipped to you as well so okay I mean and that happens in real life it does happen but if you had to choose between a regular chick who's [ __ ] that you who's

Brian Atlasshitty shitty versus a chicken sex work who should he at least a sex work gets bred like you don't share it and they don't share their money with men's

Brian Atlasbut okay earlier on the conversation you said during the pandemic you were holding a guy down like you're you're paying for everything he was living with you and you're like I like I well she was also doing it yeah

Emmyhe wasn't cooking or cleaning or working out like it I would be totally fine with like a trophy husband who just chills and like hangs out and is just like cute

Laurenit's that's totally fine with me how much you make she says and didn't work out Brian this was an issue for her okay I will buy them at equinox membership like personal trainer he has to work out yeah I mean

Emmythat's like if they cook ing because it's like so it's like either or they have to either cook and clean or they work out so oh one of those so if the guy's shredded you'll you'll be like

Laurenokay I'll do all the work at least you're in really good shape yeah I thought it was both I thought you had to be a hot rod and it's like that's like impossible my standards are not that high is it really like when it comes to

Emmykeep I don't know I live pretty much on my own guys like don't know how to do laundry because they don't know I don't know how to feed them I do my laundry I feed them

Brian Atlascook amazing uh I I eat out a lot I can cook but I prefer to or sorry I prefer to eat out a lot clearer on this show

Alessiawhat does your toilet look looking oh this is your toilet no at home no well I got in studio I'm taking care of the studio and my other place clean as a

Brian Atlas[ __ ] okay we haven't made no I clean myself okay I feel like it's like one or two hours a week what percentage

Emmyof your meals do you eat at home versus oh I do doordash for most of my meals convenience opportunity cost s

Alessiahow do you after you go to the bathroom what do you do oh my God bro this is a men a male topic for my yeah he's in front of back or back to fries are you talking about my technique

Brian Atlaswhat the [ __ ] no that's true I take that [ __ ] a step forward not only do you have paper you have a good day huh

LaurenI heard a Reddit post this doctor was talking about how like with her male patient she would do like prostate exams and like 50 of them they would sit down on the white piece of paper and when

Laurenthey would get back up they would like leave a mark

Brian AtlasI really like the yelling welcome to the whatever podcast where the local crackhead is having a blast down down on the Street Santa Barbara

Brian Atlasdid he really it's rude was it a full can or an empty can yeah I think I think he plays he plays League

Brian Atlasof Legends and he's really upset that nobody else

Laurenwait what I'm talking about what yeah what the [ __ ] because because men are gross is the point so but I do think

Laurenit's similar to intellect like I think women like when it comes to cleanliness similar to intellect they're like average cleanliness whereas men are

Laureneither like neurotically clean or disgusting like there's no middle ground yeah I feel like let me uh let's do a

Brian Atlascouple chats here so we have Liam La kick that j17 what is j17 out um what is j17 is he said

Laurenis that an interview thing that's what I was saying okay

Brian Atlasoh my God I face Nick Fuentes I'm ready I don't know uh we have Anonymous here basic human dynamics opposites opposite attracts one is a receiver and one is a giver one likes being on the bottom and

Brian Atlasone likes being on the top when both are givers you're all competing who is better or vice versa in conclusion bad sex causes failed marriages from Anonymous thank you very much appreciate it

Brian Atlasthat escalated quickly you don't have good sex all right we have big blue here oh Brian Brooks and Brian sorry I'm late uh busy

Brian Atlasday intervening in fights counting debate points on my fingers buying Neutrogena making pitch decks identifying as a hippo anyway Martin is

Brian Atlasmisunderstood Long Live Wall Street bets R.I.P in peace harambe yo stochastic send me a DM on Instagram yo big blue Lauren tell the audience about how you

Laurengot booted from the Air Force Academy for trying to seduce a Cadet oh I left the Air Force Academy on good terms and got an honorable discharge and I'm

Laurencurrently a veterans fake news so you can probably get a VA loan no I I can get a VA loan yeah I absolutely can all

Brian Atlasright we should get a quad Plex you should okay Kona 19 Head for men versus women is very different some men find the idea of unsettling of sticking

Brian Atlastheir tongue in the hole that excrete it excretes blood old tissue pee and multiple dicks have came inside of before don't know

Laurenunder the bus what no I'm talking about in the hole like what are you talking you just guys it's a proximity proximity thing

Laurenwhole as the blood which I think is very funny where is it how are you getting tissue up in there I don't know oh yeah you said pee wow okay

EmmyI think he thinks women pee out of the vagina women pee out of the vagina wait are you being are you joking yeah no

Emmyum Conan I am confirming his beliefs oh yes

Brian Atlaswhen it comes to being when it comes to peeing though you could actually argue that I mean the urethra is closer to the [ __ ] than the so I mean the tip that we

Amy Dangerfieldhave to insert the urethra is closer to the [ __ ] so where you pee out of it is yeah so you're saying that when they're licking the they're getting some and so

Brian Atlasno what I'm saying I mean no you're saying that men the the proxy no I'm saying that the proximity the proximity of the female urethra is closer to the clitoris than say like

TTSin the front right corner a Texan could treat you right Brian checked out during the of convo the same way the girls would have during a while rant but he

Brian Atlaswasn't playing wow wow um do you have a response to him he's calling he's calling you an ABG

Brian Atlasisn't that for girls who are like from here yeah I think it typically applies to like american-born Asian women who have a certain like attitude or style or something it used to be like the related

Emmyto gangs but now it's more of an aesthetic so it's like someone who has tattoos dyed hair and goes to Raves

Brian Atlasdo you have a response to him sorry I didn't really catch it um what did he he said to here uh to AVG in the front corner a Texan could treat you right so he's

Brian Atlasasking us with Southern boy I've never been that'd be cool okay I guess are your DMs open or not because you have like three boyfriends right now

Brian AtlasI have no clue you what good try there's a lot you can try wait okay give us more details about how much competition there is though like okay so you said there's like you're kind of

Emmydating be specific I have two you have to you're gonna make me cry I'm Gonna Make You wait you're gonna cry no okay so as

Emmyyour friend I would say sexually is literally just like one person there oh wait so sexually in that you're broken up yeah or just one person like so

Emmyyou're like barely like barely what like they don't they don't want they're just fine it's not like no it's not like they no no no they don't see each other every single day and they don't live together

Emmyand things like that like it's just like yeah one person sexually with their situation yeah do you feel okay saying your situation oh no you can you can

Alessiatalk I mean she said if that so what do you mean by if that well she's not actually turbulent he comes around from time to time right you know wait so you guys that's the only person who likes it

Laurendoesn't like her do you like this man for her you think he's good for her I if she likes him

Brian Atlashow long have you been seeing him um I don't know maybe a few months so what you guys [ __ ] once a week

Kathykind of thing what do you mean I guess whenever he wants but okay once a week probably every time

Laurenhow often is swimming twice a week twice a week does he have you had any conversations with like where this is heading do you want to like have a relationship or do you want

Kathya relationship or do you not care at all I'm not really sure I think I just I am just going with the flow you have needs I I think I barely do actually but then

Brian Atlasif my partner wants to then like I would be more than happy to wait so questions he comes over do you guys like kick it or is it like

Kathyhe comes over you [ __ ] and he dips oh we do stuff like dates they oh you you'll go out in public I say that I'm dating 100.

TTSLauren as I recall although you received an honorable D you got picked out of use of her can you tell us the full story or is it too embarrassing you can't get

Laurenkicked if you got kicked out it would be in dishonorable discharge so on like my military paperwork says I have an honorable discharge I don't know what

Laurenthey're I don't know who this person is but I nope have an honorable discharge honorably served my country for two years did basic training I did ESET I

Laurendid Seer uh then I went on to get a math degree and then I went on to go to law school and then I passed the bar and

Brian Atlasspeaking of The Honorable D you can honorably suck my IDs are you gonna let her talk to you like that don't let her okay um all right we

Brian Atlashave Eric back why are men paying to view these women in of Google images you can see women for free and corn on the Hub you can view the act for free how do you keep these people paying for your content I mean isn't it just like a uh

Emmythere's the actual engagement of messaging back and forth yeah it's like more about their personality but also there's the MCA you

Emmyusually especially now can't see everything that people put up like even when it comes to ah what was that musician um who I canceled recently no no no um

Laurenbecause she made oh my God I made a whole video on this I I okay anyway I changed like the lyrics to her songs to like make a video on this but anyway she forced her forward all right let's not talk about it it doesn't matter the

Emmypoint is that she she had like for example like a video of her like go viral because she fell off a stage and then like saw everything by the internet or from the Internet it's just that dmca

Brian Atlasum erasing is very strong now with technology okay yeah all right Stifler asked the ladies ask everyone to write their looks on a scale of one to ten

Brian Atlasrate our own books [Music] so rate your own looks we'll go around the table like this moment yeah

Kathyat your own looks it depends on the day man like right now um like six seven don't do that pixie seven no say seven I would say on a good

Alessiaday a 10 out of ten yeah a good day I'm like nine yeah it depends on the day don't start that don't start that

Brian Atlaslaughing 10 out of 10. okay all right yeah okay yes very very much so 10 out of 10 in delusion what do you

Brian Atlasrate yourself Ryan six would you rate yourself I said you already said seven okay uh Lauren four three

Amy Dangerfieldwhat the [ __ ] Lauren sorry no okay for women I feel like the scale is always above five like that's like the zero are we going purely based off looks or is it also intellect personally

Pixielooks like okay I'm sorry this girl we went out to the freaking bars like the other day a seven men hit on her like in the night like one after that after after the other after the other I'm just saying like you have to

Pixiebe delusional to think you're not seven at least okay I'm done okay cool yeah I'm just saying

Amy Dangerfieldum so like fresh out of the shower like nothing I'd say like yeah six probably wow you guys really underdid it I feel like for you but well no but because think of it

Amy Dangerfieldwas perfect tomorrow's beautiful woman that you've ever seen and then try to like calculate the disparity between you and her I'm just being logical like like honestly yeah I mean first okay what about what about on your best day like

Alessiayour best day like professional makeup oh totally like I mean yeah like eight seven eight sure but ten right now I'm just gonna say

Emmyalso like attraction is so subjective like I grew up with a really low self-esteem especially in Bakersfield there's no Asians people like what the [ __ ] is wrong with your friends those are General things right so like symmetry is one thing that people really

Amy Dangerfieldlook for like there's sort of like like things based in health right so like your complexion having healthy clear skin these are things that like psychologically we're programmed to look out for right so there are certain determining factors that really State

Amy Dangerfieldwhether or not somebody's attractive it's not as subjective as what some people would make it seem for sure beauty is in the eye of the holder I agree with that to some extent but there are parameters which Define that to some

Emmydegree to some degree depending on like the culture depending on the region and the area and what is popular sure I mean there's some coaches where right it's bad to be tan because they're like if you're tan then that means you work

Amy Dangerfieldoutside therefore you're a peasant only the the really pale people are attractive right versus in in a lot of Western cultures being tan is considered a lot more attractive so I get being

Amy Dangerfieldsubjective in that sense but I feel like there's certain facts especially where symmetry is involved that is a really large determination of whether someone's attractive yeah I guess that's like kind of genetic can we see like who is

Alessiabecause wasn't there like a vote of like America's most attractive people it was like two people a man and a woman but I feel like they were what was this every year of the most attractive people it's like

LaurenKim Kardashians didn't Jennifer Aniston win like two years but like very like decades apart that's so funny I think she died really quick we had a Liam here Liam sorry the

Brian AtlasTTS didn't come through is probably because you used a profanity the robot voice doesn't like to read it uh but that girl s a d and left I sucked it you're allowed to suck I'm not sure if

Laurenyou're aware about this if you join the military you're still allowed to suck today that's not like a religious business confirm or deny did you suck a dick

Unknownwhile you were in the military oh I I did it everyone it's not the reason I left the military okay okay there's a lot worse

Alessiabut there's something that's very interesting there's a lot worse going on in the military so I just want to say that let's bring it to pixie here I got

Brian Atlassomething for pixie so pixie you're a feminist right all right uh are any of you would you consider yourselves feminists anyone I love humans I don't love anything

Emmylike

Emmyyeah I would like things to become more equal but I would say I was way more feminist in college than now okay

Emmyso you're still kind of feminist but yeah like I think the wage garbage Manson makes way more than the average woman and that's why men should

Alessiapay for the first date because women have more consequences erroneous a lot of these things I feel like a lot of these things are applicable and I think everyone I mean their experience and

Laurentheir feelings are valid depending on you know I think men are paid more because they choose like they tend to choose more stem jobs

Emmydefinitely not like it's depends on the culture like in Asia like all the women are in stem like in White Collar jobs and like doctors and all of that good at math but in America it's like so when I moved to America I learned algebra in

Emmyfourth grade I moved to America people aren't like still on multiplication and all the women acted dumb because it was like a social Norm because that was cute so I think they really are no no they're like oh my God I'm so bad and it's

Emmypopularized in pop culture it was like cute yeah it's like cute and I was like what and then I was like bullied for being a nerd but there's a lot of cultural differences like in Asia there's a lot more like CEOs other women

Emmyand stuff but like here there's not so I would like to for society to kind of like not discriminate against women who like but like assuming they don't work as hard in a capitalist Market if we

Laurenwere if a company was really truly trying to maximize profits which is what most companies do and it's true that women just will accept less pay than men then why wouldn't all of these companies

Pixiehire exclusively women because then they could just pay 77 cents on the dollar and make huge because men believe that women are less capable at producing good work when it comes to stem so like that's a problem there's like these

Amy Dangerfielddiscrepancies between like kind of like practices and all these guys are like oh yeah like guys helping you well even in my job specifically because I don't really nurse them but when you think about it anybody who's able to maximize and get

Amy Dangerfieldto like the top like one two three percent of their profession to the point where they're making multiple six figures because at that point when you're making six figures you're already considered to be the one percent of American Income earners right or like the top three percent top three person

Amy Dangerfieldall right it's the top three percent actually a hundred thousand per year makes you within the top three percent obviously no it's not it's not actually it's not searching look it up because 100K in San Francisco is actually

Amy Dangerfieldpoverty at per house yeah I know but when you always have to do that with this one talking about America as a whole when you make over 100k that is considered the top three percent like 10 to 15. all right can we look it up and

Amy Dangerfieldthat is the disparity where women get that wrong because when they talk about the man that they want oh I want a man who makes six figures to be this to be that often times women think that that is a large majority of men to be frank it was in California when you calculate

Amy Dangerfieldall those factors it's less than 0.5 percent it's usually less than one percent of men who actually make over six figures who are at least like six foot tall for example who have a lot of the other characteristics that women are

Amy Dangerfieldlooking for right so women honestly people really get that messed up when it comes to income expectations and especially with women who are able to maximize their income on platforms like

Amy Dangerfieldonly fans but I'm telling you [ __ ] is rare for the average man to make six figures that is exceedingly rare for him to be able to do that regardless of your location I lived in San Francisco

Brian Atlaswait Kathy are you feminist uh I'm not sure Define it okay maybe you're just a political inequality

Pixiebetween men and women wait what what um oh is that what feminism is yeah feminism's goals right now pixie I strongly disagree I think a lot of

Pixiepeople have a misconception of feminism because you have certain places or people who take like the worst type of woman or extremities of women and then put them in place and basically make fun

Pixieof them so is that like a no true Scotsman no it's not a no true Scotsman by definition of feminism you have to believe in equality between women and men if you do not meet that definition You Are by definition but would you not agree

Amy Dangerfieldthere are a majority of women who would claim to be a feminist who literally when they say like what do you think of Ben or XYZ it's automatically something derogatory or something negative and a

Pixielot of those women claim those ideas to be based on their principles of feminism so are you saying they're a fake feminists or I think it specifically depends on the context that you're talking about so for example if we're

Pixietalking about like women who have gone like through essay they might be talking about like oh yeah like um these men in general or these men who's just you know that these societal problems indicate a problem with how we

Pixieraise men for example um that's very different than being like oh um I think um yeah but I feel like a natural like um extension of feminism is this whole

Amy Dangerfieldmindset of like [ __ ] the patriarchy right and that's one thing before I even knew what feminism was I'd heard the term [ __ ] the patriarchy before I even knew what the page but that's the loudest of the internet I think feminism

Emmyis kind of like default in for example La San Francisco and like a lot of the majority like big cities metropolitan cities such as New York City even Shanghai like

EmmyI would say even Houston and Dallas like big metropolitan cities like people are default feminists right but my question allowed is people like portray it as like really negative and I see a lot of

Amy Dangerfieldpeople online who are like oh my God these feminazis whatever and I get that sorry but so okay if the argument of feminism is based on equality then where are we where would you consider us to be

Brian Atlasunequal in society right now based on the United States of America and where we currently are right now what would you consider to be unequal on balance let me add to that too so you were saying feminism is about men and women

Pixieare equal equal rights right um not just equal rights it's a little bit more than that but generally speaking sure okay but would you do you think that women don't have equal rights

Pixieum in the U.S I think we're in Western countries what is it I think in terms of okay what do you define as a right let's start there do you mean like care constitutional rights I think women and men have production rights men haven't

Brian Atlasmore we can't just get our teams you actually have no reproduction I have a decent example you guys can get a vasectomy that is not a productive right

Laurenno reproductive right has to do with the children right now let me ask you a question if you were to get pregnant and you decided that you

Laurenwere no you didn't want to keep the baby with the person who impregnated you have a choice over your ability to get rid of the baby or not psychologically but no not physically right no but a

Pixiereproductive right has to do with your body's reproduction the fact that you can get a vasectomy is no I'm saying I'm saying you're just being like men have zero Reproductive

PixieRights and I'm like that's not true here's one reproductive right

Brian Atlasmoments women are women are legally okay men can get vasectomies women can sterilize themselves too

Brian Atlasyes it depends on the state and on the hospital right now there is trying to get their tubes okay that is not true that is just that's some myth that feminists have

Brian Atlasinvented is it possible that some doctor was being sexist in some way and he said are you sure your husband's okay with this it's possible the fact but if you're a woman and you want to get your tubes tied you

Pixiecan the fact that hospitals can literally make it a policy for themselves to say we will not give up tie a woman's tubes unless if she has um hospitals can do what they want Okay but well

Pixiewait wait wait wait wait private hospitals aren't allowed to discriminate based on race for example they're not allowed to say we're not going to take black patients yeah because they have a constitutional requirement but they're

TTSnot exactly required to give anybody who wants one sec quite comparing SF to the United States the U.S national median

TTSincome is 32 000 per year in 2019 note to many people make over 100 comma oh oh slash year and in order to be in the top one percent of earners you have to make

Emmy650 000 per year reality check yeah 100K is like top 10 to 15. it's not 10 or 15. it's top three at least minimum so but

Brian Atlasokay what what rights do men have that women don't the only one that I can think of and I think this it depends on your city but men can go topless in public

Pixiethat's the only right I can think of that men have that women oh I wish the fact that hospitals can have a private policy stating oh no we're not gonna allow a woman to get sterilized unless if she has like permission from her

Laurenhusband is already showing a vast difference between how they're treating men and how they're treating women they have the same thing for men they a hospital could have a policy saying okay we won't give a man of a

Brian Atlassectories and my women friends who don't want children we also I I think I'm not sure on the procedure of getting a tubal ligation I think it's what it's called and there's also can you also get a hysterectomy I don't there might be a

Brian Atlascouple different things but we can also agree that I I believe it's a more uh invasive procedure to get your tube side then to get a vasectomy that doesn't excuse me it could be the well okay that

Pixiecould be related to perhaps the further bit uh Hoops that women might have to jump through in order to undergo like a more potentially dangerous and invasive procedure let's see if we can agree on this basis right okay there should be no

Pixiesay okay if you're a man in your early 20s we're gonna you know help you get a vasectomy or you can you have vasectomy versus oh if you're a woman We're not gonna allow you to do it unless if you get permission by your husband and if

Pixieyou do not have a husband you're kind of private companies get to do what private companies want to do okay but you can argue that perfect okay let me finish my sentence you ask me a question let me finish my sentence no okay

Pixieno but here's a point you shouldn't be able to discriminate on the basis of sex right we should agree that that's something that shouldn't be discriminated against I don't think the

Laurenlike in the American const this is in the 19th Amendment or able to be under the 19th if anything would be under like the 14th I think that's a lot

Brian Atlasof discrimination I think that they can so I think they can discriminate yeah actually I know they can yeah so why don't we do this let's just concede let's just conceive that all hospitals across the country are just denying

Brian Atlaswomen the right to get tubal ligations or get sterilized let's just what else what do you mean what okay when I say rights like but uh like laws no no I

Pixiethink I think in modern day America most discriminate discrimination comes from like social norms rather than laws you asked me to give you some examples of unfair treatment but I do think that

Brian AtlasAmerica Has Come a very long way and yeah I think most of the Discrimination is now social rather than legal okay so sure let's talk about social what are

Pixiesome ways in which women don't have equal rights socially or okay so there has been multitude of studies showing

Pixiethat when women or men have the same qualifications if there is a woman name on the resume they are less likely to get picked rather than like a male name well number one I feel like that is

Amy Dangerfieldnumber one with uh what's what's it called uh when but I forgot the name of it when they they're like literally selecting women or literally selecting affirmative affirmative action with affirmative action it's like a Band-Aid though

Amy Dangerfieldregardless I think at the end of the day it comes down to who can get the job done when you look at it right and I've seen this experience a woman who walks into a job interview where the person tells them this is what you're gonna get paid are willing to probably gonna walk

Amy Dangerfieldout of that interview and be like okay sure that's what I'm gonna get paid a man who walks into that interview who's qualified who knows his worth when they tell him that figure will say no I know what I am worth and that's true that is

Amy Dangerfielda personality characteristic and at the end of the day that all factors in to this wage Gap disparity that's very social yes and women are trained to be okay like if a employer asks you like

Emmywhat did you get paid at your last job women tend to tell the truth while men tend to say that they got paid 20 more but now the wage Gap is slowly diminishing and closing but right now

Emmyit's still not there yet but we're like on there actually if you adjust it's pretty much also also it's gone

Amy Dangerfieldtaking time off for children for example when you account for the fact that women are far more work 80 per week to be able to get into the position of all the men men that is

Amy Dangerfieldnaturally their proclivity they are based on competition how can I get ahead of the men next to me women don't naturally have that mindset unless they are an exceedingly rare type of woman I strongly disagree but then on top of

Pixiethat you can make the argument of like oh you know who's pressured more to take care of children and to stay at home it's always one natural proclivity I don't think it's a if you look okay

Pixiethe argument that's a natural proclivity proclivity comes from like okay civilization post Agricultural Revolution which has been like the last 10 000 years and that is even by itself like very tumultuous because we look at

Pixieoh men games Supply or control of the food supply at that time so you can argue that like when men have control of the food supply that's how like environmental factors end up creating Society but for the past a hundred thousand years before that when we were

Pixienomadic societies things were a lot more egalitarian in nature which makes sense we hunted in groups we took care of children in groups

Pixieit's showing that they have different places equal but separate they serve different purposes within Society okay but here's the deal the idea that it's like no women only gathered and men only hunted that's not true either there was

Amy Dangerfielda great overlap we can search it right now a lot but but I'm the greatest probability then why is that literally a thing where they said women were gatherers and men were Hunters were they lost I want to argue well no people with them because they should be alive no

Pixiebecause that's what happened because because the argument posts 1800s when this was first brought up was this idea that women are too frail and too weak to hunt so therefore they must have only been gatherers but if we look at let's say like the recent like bone studies

Pixiebasically where we look re-examine the corpses and stuff hey guess what a lot more are women than we previously thought and which makes sense because the way that we hunted wasn't through brute force and strength it was through literally walking animals until they

Pixiecollapsed out of exhaustion and then reaping the

Emmybecause men aren't like just doing blue-collar jobs I would agree it's like wearing a blue collar Society it's just Farmers it's just Hunters it's just construction workers like I would agree that yeah men should do these jobs but

Emmywhen it comes to like white collar jobs like I think women are just as capable and intelligent and again that's really sexist of you to say that men should do the dangerous dirty I think men are on average

Amy Dangerfieldcan you name many women who you know in your friend group who are willing to work 80 hours per week on something I could name several men who I know who I who are in my circle who do that or who

Amy Dangerfieldaspire to do that versus Maurice women were exhausted I mean I know we're doing an average 40-hour week that's why most women are going to only fans because they can't even work a [ __ ] restaurant job they can't even oh it's a

Amy Dangerfield40 hour per week job so they go and they do only fans and yet we're here fighting about women's natural work ethic and proclivity to be able to achieve the same results

Amy Dangerfieldyou're assuming that I only do like only fans you do other things as well because you stated it I'm talking about on the balance of probability for most women I know so many lazy men as well like you

Emmyknow the men like if you look at the the stats of the norm like they're way more men who are homeless who are unemployed and they're also way more men who are billionaires and I think there's just a lot more men on average who like do

Emmyeverything but it's not represent doesn't represent the whole and same with like women I think women more have like a normal curve where a lot of people work like maybe average 40 hours but there are people who work more and there are people who and that's but we're talking on the balance of

Amy Dangerfieldprobability we're not talking about these yeah the probability of it is standards which are in turn relate to People's Natural proclivities necessarily natural you might have like

Emmyan excellent group of friends who are very extremely hard working but I know a lot of people who are just nine dollars Joe Dirt believing men and women are equal is crazy

Brian Atlaswho's Joe Dirt yo Bender the offender thank you I think it's you pixie I think you're joker I'm Joe Dirt that's what he said do you know who Joe Dirt is he's a

Laurencharacter from movie and he had like a mullet and so they're trying to say that now you have beautiful hair and it's just blonde in color these are actually interesting

Emmyyeah you look stunning they're just it's just a movie reference and it's one of my favorite movies the size of men that you know I think they're probably really excellent people

Emmybecause you're like an excellent woman as well but I do think that they're an equal amount of of men who work zero hours per week and just like play video games like I do know a lot of that and

Amy Dangerfieldthen play men and I think one of this is the product of the times right but I'm talking about like the natural like inclinations of people on a biological and like psychological level there are reasons that are so do you think it's

Amy Dangerfieldmore nature or nurture no I think it's Nature has an effect but I believe at the end of the day evolutionary psychology plays such a huge huge how how much what percentage do you think like nature

Amy Dangerfieldtakes over come here to nurture I mean if you're raised in a certain environment sorry for me for example I when you look at my nerd show I should be a failure I should be this I should be that and I'm not but I could be an outlier I know I'm an exception exactly

Amy Dangerfieldand here's the thing there are exceptions to the rule but people try to use their personal experience variance to be able to denote what is actually going on in society when to be honest you're not the world doesn't revolve around you it's not correct just because this is my personal experience doesn't

Amy Dangerfieldnecessarily mean that that is how Society functions or runs yeah and I'm self-aware enough to be able to realize that like um your conclusion and assumption with only fans girls too though like no

Amy Dangerfieldbecause I do on a balance of probability most only fans girls are going to number one affect their job prospects because AI is also being used to determine job candidates for a lot of companies right

Amy Dangerfieldnow and they are on a like a point zero one percent accuracy in speed going through your history so that's number one and that's just going to become more and more prevalent number two a lot of guys aren't going to want to date

Amy Dangerfieldsomebody who has been on only fans some men will but a lot of men you are limiting your dating prospects I feel like I attracted a lot more people who are open-minded you'd want to date

Emmythough or the type of men who are into you uh type them in that I want to date but yeah are also attracted to me because they are also more open-minded they want you

Amy Dangerfieldto do this okay oh you're the single one over here for most women generally speaking a lot of guys and for you I can tell you are

Emmylike she said you're an exceptional person you're obviously very I don't think I'm necessarily that exception to the norm though like I know a lot of girls who graduated from college yeah I think like a high expectations from USC dude that's a way higher ranking than

Amy DangerfieldUCSB like there's so many women yeah yeah what's your degree um Art and Design oh wow I just feel like there's a lot of women who are literally there just kidding they put all of their value into their body being

Emmya commodity and that is their only plan I mean I think most people are aware that the body does the K but then there's AI you know if you're already an influencer they can just keep on deep faking you like

Emmyum my boyfriend did do like a oh my boyfriend did do a video for Paul McCartney where they defaked him to look like he was 20 and it was a whole music video like it's just like there's so there's so much more to the industry

Amy Dangerfieldthan what is to the eye but aren't you guys worried about that is only fans create is it then your value is going to diminish when someone can literally just make a replica review like what type of intellectual but they can make replicas of people who don't do only fans I know

Brian Atlasa lot of celebrities where they have news out there but it's just like someone does it but this is only becoming prevalent the last couple of years from now though hold on so okay let's we're talking about of we've talked about it quite a

Pixiebit pixie you're a feminist yes a lot of feminists claim that women are oppressed yes do you agree do you think women are oppressed yeah I think there's certain

Pixieways that women face oppression okay are you so you're a woman yes I didn't mean to assume your gender there um how are you oppressed as I previously stated I think it's absolute [ __ ]

Pixiethat me and a guy can have the same exact resume or that I might be overqualified than him and on the basis of my name out of like the million studies that there are out there I am less likely to be chosen however the

Brian Atlasthing is though is that that's one study but then you hear all this stuff about affirmative action and that oh we're going on a diversity hiring spree and apparently diversity has to do with 50 of the population or

Pixiemore than 50 the population which is women okay so there seems to be a disparity between a company claiming to be diverse and inclusive and then

Pixieactually higher actual hiring practices right departments are made out of hyper liberal typically women okay I'm not the women of every HR department but I can

Pixiesay that we can just like look at like blind studies and blind data and when we look at affirmative action the way that's supposed to work is that supposed to be two people of equal Merit then okay we might pick the woman or the woman might be picked in certain

Pixiescenarios but either way it doesn't change the fact that you see like a big gap in diversity for a couple of reasons mostly favoring men and guess what one of these reasons you think you think Dei

Emmyhas has a bias towards hiring men I think well so it mainly has yeah assumption that women will have children eventually so it is true if you see a name on the resume if they're a woman

Emmyyou assume that they're going to like especially a woman who is like mid-20s or late 20s or early 30s they actually do hire a woman less because they assume

Emmythat they will have children which it is yeah yeah so like that's a business decision but it's still unfair because not all women want children it's just like a generalization and also like now a lot of men also take care of their kids like a lot of women want like

Laurenstay-at-home husbands because the wage Gap is closing hold on with the HR departments and with diversity Equity inclusion almost all companies are attempting to hire like at least 50 women have a certain amount of women on

Laurenthe C Level have a certain amount of women what companies what

Laurenfor certain um like pretty much any company that cares about ESG scores whatsoever which is like the majority I think every

Brian Atlassingle company on the NASDAQ uh oh look at this apple.com diversity page inclusion and diversity yeah oh

PixieNick can you search this apple.com apple.com diversity yeah so like just like how I said right yeah no no that's how I said listen to me there is a gap between what people are stating what

Pixiethey're marketing versus what's actually happening in reality and the Gap is closing but it doesn't change the fact that there is a gap and the question is why does this Gap exist it exists

Pixiebecause hey people assume women are less competition they assume yeah they assume that women are less competent they assume that women are going to have children and women to begin to get into these fears is already very difficult

Brian Atlashold on they assume that women are going to have children I mean but is there is that a fair assumption to make um don't most women

Brian Atlasaren't there certain just like biological realities like she has to nurse having children than men okay wait controversy

Pixiepixie pixie hold on oh my God I'm not gonna I refuse to answer this question let me just ask no I know what you're gonna ask hold on pixie hold on wait can we let her guess what you're about to

Unknownask I know exactly what is he about to ask you'll be like can men have children can then get pregnant can men get pregnant um can men get pregnant let me answer okay

Pixieand she's a liberal she thinks they can well I think if a trans man technically but I feel like this is so already like beyond the realm of General reality yeah

Alessiascience is getting really um interesting Anything Can Happen pretty soon I'm not part of this team oh my God okay all my haters discrimination we believe in trans men so we don't get popcorn

Brian AtlasI don't want to just throw popcorn at you I think he kind of does though wait are you ready pixie

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Pixiemen can get pregnant um a trans man could theoretically but I feel like this is just don't forget the non-binary don't forget the NBS the babies

Brian Atlasdon't forget the hippopotamus oh the hippopotamus pixie so how are you oppressed besides the that one example okay what else you got for us um I'm

Pixiemore likely to get sexually assaulted that's not oppression

Brian Atlasraise your hand okay let me ask you a question if you're like let's say you're in the upper echelons of of status of

Brian Atlassociety but like you fall victim to some sort of violent crime like random violent crime does that mean that you are oppressed because you're a victim of a random

Alessiaviolent crime if it's random but if it's on the basis of my gender that's different what wait there's no female president but it's not would that same man do the same or I'm assuming it's a man do the same thing to a man or is he

Brian Atlasseeking out women I think that's what she's saying men like a Jack the Ripper Vibe yes men can get sexually assaulted too but no but people are mostly heteronormative specific circumstance

Pixieall right you're playing some weird Judo with language here I don't know exactly that's okay let's let's start here how are you defining oppression because that's where all the other ideas

Amy Dangerfieldno I asked you first Free Speech a lack of free speech and quality like like you don't have something that the other person has they have some type of a leg up some type of

Amy Dangerfielda magical or mythological thing that is allowing them to be able to supersede your results even though you have the same qualification well yeah that's a very uh yeah that's a really good example that's not a good example people who became a politician they were

Amy Dangerfieldprobably working 80 hours per week is either a lawyer or some other type of similar profession the idea that okay twitch streamers you're just you're just naming hold on

Laurenyou're just naming the fact that certain jobs men have dominated in those fields but then you also have recognized earlier in this conversation that when it comes to like the when it comes to

Laurenmen spending money on women yeah only fans is a thing no because when I'm talking about the when I'm talking about the intellect uh yeah and into the Michael oh I am when you talk about the

Laurenintellect for men versus women men have a much uh less steep bell curve women have an extremely steep bell curve around the median so you're going to have men who are normal yeah have a more

Laurenuh normal like it's it's a normal distribution for both of them but women are much more centered around the media and have a much deeper bell curve so you're going to have more men who are

Laurenmentally slow but you're gonna also have more men who are excelling exceptional Geniuses so when you have spaces that like people of particular genius tend to

Laurenexcel then men are going to be within like are going to hold most of the space of the top one percent of this oh is this the greater male variability no okay this yeah yeah yeah maybe it's

EmmyI feel like women have to shorten it but it's just the middle class that's literally becoming less okay I purchase power alone no wait let me let me answer I just literally answered but multiple

Brian Atlastimes you said you were oppressed because you have a chance of using I am more likely the likelihood of being victimized but yes I'm more likely to be sexually harassed than a man okay than a man is

Amy Dangerfieldto be sexually harassed by a woman or even other that's not I don't think that's yeah evidence you're literally we defined day-to-day life like it every single day when you go out there when you wake up when you

Emmywalk out of your house when you go to your job when you go to sleep is this literally on your mind that's not how we started in La actually if you live in Downtown L.A or K-Town or Hollywood Chicago for

Emmyus now Bakersfield Bakersfield New York City like just it depends it depends no Chicago isn't it like a lot of gang shootings a lot of times I think of Oppression I think of you know not being

Pixieable to vote I feel like it needs to affect your day to be able to own property I think okay that's not how we first started establishing oppression but even if you want to establish it that way I think things that affect my

Pixielong-term career opportunities and my long-term trajectory in life does count even if it's not like a single instance every single day it's the fact that my life men are not holding you back from the

Pixiejob that you desire what do you mean if I literally if I literally am just as qualified or more qualified for a job do you have of that

Amy DangerfieldI'm not even getting the opportunity to shine in certain spaces so you don't think so you disagree that there is a you don't think that there's a quality of opportunity right now no I don't you have affirmative action you have yeah

Pixiemost people who get admitted to college for example from my friend would actually have to drop out the benefit of the affirmative action which they received okay affirmative action isn't

Pixiethis like little magical fairy wand that solves all problems One mic at the time go ahead okay affirmative action is not this little magical wand that suddenly solves all problems when it but that's what you're

Pixiesaying you're like you guys have affirmative action and it's like dealing with affirmative action there are still differences in the ways that men and women are treated in society some of them unfairly

Brian Atlasso okay you've presented some a study you've made some arguments about well there's this study where with the two exact same resumes the one with the male

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