HEATED DEBATE On NOT Reciprocating In The Bedroom?! | Dating Talk #99

Date: 2023-09-11

Duration: 4h 58m

Guests

Brian Atlas

PPixie (DT130)>

AAmy Dangerfield >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS(audience)

SPEAKER_02Amy Dangerfield(guest)

SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_05Lauren(guest)

SPEAKER_06Emmy(guest)

SPEAKER_07Pixie(guest)

SPEAKER_08Kathy(guest)

SPEAKER_09Alessia(guest)

Key Moments

OtherLauren reveals she dated Martin Shkreli on-and-off for ~2 years, moved in briefly, and remains friends. Story includes fake Tiffany's proposal on livestream where he said 'just kidding' after she said yes.

“He took me to a Tiffany's and then he proposed to me in the Tiffany's and then when I said yes he said just kidding”

OtherLauren discloses she served 2 years in the military (honorable discharge), earned a math degree, went to law school, and passed the bar — currently tutoring.

“so on like my military paperwork says I have an honorable discharge I honorably served my country for two years did basic training I did OSUT I did SEER then I went on to get a math degree and then I went on to go to law school and then I passed the bar”

OtherAlessia discloses history of in-person sex work including the Bunny Ranch, being arrested twice at age 19, and a difficult childhood that led her to sex work.

“I was just doing different types of sex work like everything everything you could possibly think of and it was the Bunny Ranch”

ControversyHeated debate over reciprocating oral sex. Brian says he does not perform oral sex but ensures partner climaxes in other ways. Pixie pushes back strongly that this is selfish. Emmy says it must be mutual.

“is it a deal breaker if a guy doesn't want to go down on you”

QuoteBrian jokes that the only woman who could give him a satisfactory hand job would be a virtuoso cellist with the technique from playing strings.

“I will accept a dry handy from a cello player like a virtuous cello or violin otherwise these normal women out here who don't have the necessary the requisite technique”

OtherLauren self-rates her looks as 3-4. Pixie reveals that 7 men approached Lauren at bars in a single night, arguing Lauren is delusional for rating herself that low.

“uh Lauren four three...this girl we went out to the freaking bars like the other day a seven men hit on her like in the night like one after that after the other”

Key MomentPixie accuses Brian's feminism arguments of being based on only talking to conservative men, not actual feminist research. Brian calls her argument erroneous. Exchange becomes heated with both talking over each other.

“you literally yeah to stem which is one of the biggest disparities...you can say no no but guess what I'm a feminist I'm actually part of these movements”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship status round

Brian introduces panel; each guest gives name, age, occupation, and relationship status. Includes discussion of Kathy's non-binary dating, Pixie's pansexuality, Emmy's DM pitch deck boyfriend, Alessia's post-breakup celibacy, Lauren's non-binary identity and Martin Shkreli connection, Amy's 4-year ended relationship.

Martin Shkreli story

Lauren describes her ~2-year on-and-off quasi-relationship with Martin Shkreli before and during his criminal proceedings. Details the fake Tiffany's proposal livestream prank where he said 'just kidding' after she said yes.

OnlyFans safety, parasocial relationships, and sex work

Discussion of OnlyFans parasocial dynamics, male ownership feelings from financial transactions, whether OF is safer than traditional in-person sex work. Amy raises concerns about lack of safety protocols. Alessia defends OF as safer from her personal experience in multiple forms of sex work.

Violence statistics: male vs female victims, street safety

Debate on whether women or men face more violence. Brian argues women receive free male protection on streets; Pixie counters with bystander effect and NYC subway assault cases. Emmy cites size differential as reason for intervention. Discussion of gang violence by race and gender demographics.

Dating dynamics: who pays, deal-breakers, serenade

First date paying debate (Alessia: man should pay because he invited), body hair preferences, love languages, gift-giving reciprocity, whether being serenaded is romantic or cringe. Brian says he would not serenade.

MAIN DEBATE: Reciprocating oral sex

Heated debate on whether refusing to perform oral sex on a partner is a deal-breaker if the partner has no expectation of reciprocation. Brian reveals he does not perform oral sex but ensures partner climaxes other ways. Discussion of hand jobs vs. blow jobs. Pixie and Emmy argue reciprocation is required for fairness.

Attraction, OnlyFans income, and dating OF creators

Whether men would date women with OnlyFans. Self-rating round: guests rate their looks 1-10. Discussion of attractiveness subjectivity vs. objective symmetry-based metrics. Pixie rated herself 7, Amy 6, Kathy 7, Alessia 9-10, Lauren 4.

Feminism, nature vs. nurture, and wage gap

Whether guests consider themselves feminists. STEM representation debate. Nature vs nurture on gender differences in work ethic and ambition. Amy argues evolutionary psychology drives male work drive. Pixie and Emmy argue social conditioning explains disparities. Wage gap discussion.

Male privilege vs. male oppression

Brian asks if male privilege provides more benefit than female privilege. Discussion of emotional suppression as male oppression. Pixie argues social norms cause more discrimination against women than laws. Brian argues toplessness is the only legal right differential. Tubal ligation policies debated.

Military conscription vs. women's right to vote

Brian argues forced military conscription is a greater historical grievance than women not having the right to vote. Pixie and Lauren counter that lack of voting rights meant total subjugation without legal recourse. Discussion of historical domestic violence norms, IDF mandatory service. Brian notes women got the vote in 1920 just two years after WWI.

Transcript

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Brian Atlascontraception so like iuds like insane [ __ ] like that even non-hormonal non-hormonal iuds well no there's the copper IUD which is not because because what I have heard from Republicans in

Brian Atlasconservative conservatives they make the argument that the hormonal birth controls have a negative impact on like fertility and on your health and it's

Brian Atlasnot good for you to be on it but um I mean but I don't know if they full outright object to contraception such as like condoms or non-hormonal well I mean

Laurenand past consistently conservatives who have been against legislation allowing for Condoms so like for instance there was a Supreme

Brian AtlasCourt case where people were handing out condoms and condoms contraceptions were only how long ago though because I've heard about this a long but like in recent history I don't think conservatives or Republicans are that

Pixieagainst contraceptive use and that's not they're that again well in 2022 you had Louisiana Ohio Virginia Texas all tried

Pixieto ban long-term long access contraception in 2021 and 2022 the Federal Government tried to pass a bill guaranteeing contraception as a federal

Pixieright to people every single Republican in the house voted against it as well as in the Senate so this is something that you know what the majority of conservatives in general throughout the population over 90 of the population

Brian Atlasagrees this should be a right that people should have but no no when you say right hold on just to be clear just to clarify the the second thing you mentioned there was they just it sounded

Pixielike they didn't want to have it be taxpayer no no no I mean as a literal right I mean as a state should not be able to say hey it's illegal to sell condoms it's illegal to provide iuds

Brian Atlasyeah I just want to make sure you're not straw Manning the opposition here I am not there are states that are trying to and condoms are I just want them I haven't heard of that but is that

Laurenactually have you guys heard about this I think there is something to be bad straw man okay right now they can't ban right now it's not really an issue hold on you know Brian right now it's actually not an issue because of the

LaurenSupreme Court case which made it so that um right now it's like a constitutional right to like have these because of a Supreme Court case but it's not codified

Emmyso right now a state wouldn't be capable of banning abortion am I right well I want to ask like for you

Laurenpro-lifers like do you truly think that someone will be a good parent if they did not want a child but are forced to I don't think you're not forced to have the child you're forced like first of all if you

Emmywant to if you're gonna subject yourself to getting pregnant if you're gonna open your leg but there are people who just open their legs but they absolutely would not be good right certain things there are but that should be like adoption like a whole other life form

Laurenshould be a consequence I don't think you should be allowed to murder somebody just because you think that you might be a bad parent there's other questions suffering is better than like I think a

Laurenlife a life of suffering a life of suffering whatsoever but not really true I can't always get adopted and even if they're not adopted okay even if they're not even if they're an orphan that doesn't mean that they're a life of

Laurensuffering and even if it is a life of suffering a life of life itself is better than beautiful or than being brutally murdered and haven't you guys heard of those people who will like who literally talk about that they're like I

Amy Dangerfieldmy parents wanted to abort me because this was the situation I was in this situation and honestly I was one of those kids my mom one wanted to abort me due to what my grandparents said because

Amy Dangerfieldthey are very traditional Hungarian they do not believe in having children I'm Hungarian they do not believe in having children out of wedlock and so my mom got married when she was like six to nine months pregnant with me

Emmyum but you hear these stories time and time again oh to me oh I'm so sorry you went like this okay um well there's also different opposite arguments where one of my best friends growing up like I met her in middle

Emmyschool and we're still best friends right now where I asked her about the abortion argument she said that her parents only ever wanted to have one child and that she her mom had was

Emmypregnant on the wedlock before and if it weren't for that she wouldn't have existed so there are also a lot of people who wouldn't have extra children if it weren't for them becoming financially stable or into wedlock like if you're in wedlock and more

Emmyfinancially stable you would have like three or four kids or something versus if you're a single mom sometimes you can't afford to have more like healthy happy like Financial disabled children so there's like the obvious there's

Emmyarguments on both sides where I truly do think that if someone cannot afford to have a child and has a really bad relationship and turbulent relationship with everyone around them and are like

Amy Dangerfieldshrug addicted I don't think having a child is good I don't think that should negate somebody's like that doesn't negate the fact that it is a life ended and this is the the I find the disparity in this argument is where does Life

Amy DangerfieldBegin then right yeah you know what I mean and some people believe it's from con conception as soon as it happens from that very moment some people believe it said like what 28 weeks other people believe it's much further along so I think that's the semantics that we

Amy Dangerfieldcome down to we all agree that it's wrong to terminate a life to kill somebody we all agree that's wrong I think the point of disparity is where does that actually begin where does that life begin when they can live out of the

Emmythe womb that's like from my personal perspective and also I think culturally for me and Kathy like we're Chinese and um I think for Chinese people or like just like spiritual whatever like historical like religious stuff like

Emmyyour soul you breathe in yourself your first breath when you are out the womb or whenever you breathe in your first breath that's when the soul comes in or at least that's what

LaurenI mean there's not really religion that much religion in China besides Buddhism wait hold on I'm sorry my my aunt's Chinese she also said that like when you're born you're

Laurenborn at one years old because they consider your life to have started at literally the moment of conception and so therefore when you're born isn't that true like you're not born at zero years

Emmyold you're born at one years old I've heard that I've heard that from Korea me is that in China China because I've heard that exactly I've heard that in Korea in some Asian cultures not for me

Emmyin Shanghai but maybe in China but you're saying it's in Korea or I've been to shanghai's in China yeah Shanghai is in China but you're saying it didn't happen for you not for me I don't count myself a year older but I do know something but from you saying that

Amy Dangerfieldpeople in general in China on the balance of probability meaning at least 51 of the time a people inclined to believe that would not believe that or are you talking from your own

Emmyperspective not from my generation no but I cannot speak for so you're alone I mean oh yeah yeah yeah yeah like on your on

Laurenyour legal paperwork when you're born in China they start counting you one years old at the moment but do they do that Kathy is one year old paper we're gonna move

Pixieaway from abortion here so oh wait okay can I can I say one more thing just on the axis of contraception thing last thing go ahead okay because you're saying like oh are they Banning condoms a lot but specifically they're trying to

Pixieban iuds and you can say oh no it's a health thing maybe it's a health thing et cetera et cetera there has been no study that has shown long impacts on fertility if you're doing it properly now if you're misusing your birth control if you're doing only emergency

Pixiecontraception if you're leaving your IUD too long then that's something else but again you shouldn't ban iuds as a whole because of that that's like saying like we should bend like let's say soda or something unhealthy if you misuse it you

Pixieknow but that's fine so wait have any of these bands actually been passed on birth control no but what has been told over and over again well funding has been cut for birth control for Access for birth control especially in like

Pixielow-income communities so that's really bad second of all you have these groups that continuously say we're not going to stop passing these bills until till they pass and then on the other hand you have Republicans who are like hey you know instead of codifying this law we're

Pixiegoing to veto it we're not going to pass it so it's to me in my opinion imperative that we try to pass this instead of being like no we're gonna leave it alone

Emmyno I think the reasoning is because the birth rates of the us is going down to birth rate we're still increasing in population no matter what um so AFX our 401K our retirement or our

EmmyAce and overall like all of those things only exist and where you're like hiding behind the mic oh weird okay does it is it not directly I know can you uh move it to the table to your

Brian Atlasclavicle to your that right here that way can you to your right this year right here okay so basically I think that people are

Emmypanicking and trying to ban abortions and also some certain types of contraceptions because the birth rate is going down as that's like the trend for any very developed country and but a lot

Emmyof our economy is based off of the population and like having workers on the bottom to sustain everything and even even like when it comes to any sort

Emmyof retirement plan 401K Roth IRA it's kind of a Ponzi scheme where they depend on more people to go into the workforce and people are also dying later and so your retirement funds wait what are we talking about here we're talking about

Emmylike the reason there are a lot of anti-abortion laws being passed recently the populist control like Revelation populace control Revelation yeah because it's the reason behind the legislation I

Emmythink it's partially the reason because you see America talk about like Europeans like the how the population is declining and then they say oh like

Emmythey're not going to be an economic power what is that okay we're moving on okay pixie got her word about birth control um Okay so

Brian AtlasJesus Christ let me try to bring it back to something more sorry tangent uh okay before y'all like I don't know some of y'all Grimace when I when we were talking okay is it a deal breaker if a guy doesn't want to go down on you

Pixiewe'll go around the table go ahead no I don't care um if he expects me to go down on him then yes it's a deal breaker what so okay if a guy didn't want to go

Brian Atlasdown on you let's say he didn't have an expectation that you go down on him but yeah no no but would you still go down on him he doesn't have the expectation but

Emmywould you still go down on him um probably not if it doesn't want to go down on me it has to be even it has to be even though it has to be even okay all right what about you I used to not think it was a deal breaker until I

Emmydated someone who only wanted head all the time then I was like wait a second like you're not doing anything for me because she knows who it is like it's like what what the hell I just found out

Emmyyeah no no but like he would not give any head whatsoever so that's the deal break it like I didn't used to like care I had like much so I was like whatever but since I dated someone who's like I

Emmyonly care about heading you like should do it all the time then I'm like okay it needs to be more even so now I like really appreciate men who do go down on women

Brian Atlaswait so hold on question uh this guy he wouldn't do anything to make you come or please you yeah pretty much like for no yeah it was just you just came in the

Emmyhead yeah no he would he was kind of a narcissist for sure and I don't even use that word lightly I feel like that you where it is kind of use everywhere like he just does like lacked the empathy

EmmyI think he just legitimately did not understand that like pleasing people is like a good thing okay but where you got he was you were

Emmyjust giving him head like no sex uh no dude there's still like sex going on oh but okay it was like the main thing was just did he make you come I mean like

Brian Atlasoccasionally like not like it was just very like him oriented okay so see I because I don't like to give head but I like to make my girl come like okay that's fine preferably

Laurenbefore me so what if she were to say that she could only come right sucks for you oh apparently doesn't suck

Brian Atlasfor him no just I mean uh there's no way that no you can but if someone doesn't wait are you saying this doesn't exist

Laurenthe only way a girl can come is through head there's definitely men out there who the only way they can come is your head so

Alessiaokay it's not cap but there's probably guys who say that but it's cap they just want I've seen it like someone who can only finish but actually no it exists but

Brian Atlaslike I that's great but there's probably some guys who say they can only come from head but they might be lying about that [ __ ] no I've experienced it um wait question but

Brian Atlaswere you [ __ ] wrong okay well no these are so versatile I'm just saying because like with a condom yeah that it's kind of it can be tough to come with the content

Brian Atlasokay yeah all right I'll bite so yeah under those circumstances yeah maybe you can only come from head

Alessiaokay yeah that makes sense okay but I will say that when you know it's a long time ago but he would come really quick by being jacked off and

Alessiathat was like a red flag to me from from just a [ __ ] I was like just a hand job yeah I'd rather masturbate with sandpaper than get a hand job

Emmyit worked for him I'd rather not do anything than get a [ __ ] from like we've had you know for that matter I bet men can make you feel some type of way

Brian Atlasno just like wait chat Nick can you can you scroll down the chat yo chat would you rather like if the option with a girl let's say you're hanging out with a girl and she's like I'll give you a hand job

Brian Atlaswouldn't you rather just not get the [ __ ] do you know what I mean do you know what I mean would you rather you'd rather just not get the [ __ ] this was I really doubt that Brian yeah

LaurenRyan wait chat do you agree chat do you agree I don't

Brian Atlasis it wait chat is it look really blue we did some adjustments with the lights and I think chat one in the chat if it looks blue okay when it comes to the [ __ ] thing

Laurenhere's the option your chick will give you a hand job no lube or no [ __ ] did you spit yeah what the [ __ ] why not just give you a blow job

Emmy[Applause] you can get STDs but you can't from a handy what

Brian Atlasokay obviously if they're if it's a dry handy which why the [ __ ] would you even do that okay try handy you yourself or dry Handy by a girl

Brian Atlastry both ah tell you what I will accept a dry handy from a cello player like a virtuous cello or violin otherwise these

Brian Atlasnormal women out here who don't have [ __ ] Symphony experience don't have the necessary the requisite technique hand job you got like like strings on

Brian Atlasyour thick like you gotta have someone that like no it's just like an instrument have you seen yo put Nick pull up a a video of Yo-Yo Ma I want

Brian Atlasactually it's probably copyright box Cello Suite number one bro pull up a chick doing that [ __ ] they got the [ __ ] they know how to do that [ __ ] okay okay

Brian AtlasI had some caffeine okay just the chef though because obviously if it's dry you can't these girls be trying to like go over the head and [ __ ] when it's dry you can't do that it hurts

LaurenI'm strangling it yeah do you have like do you not have any like natural fluids like this is like a noise

Brian Atlas[Music]

Brian Atlasyeah like wait what oh only Mark here wait a minute actually yeah this is what we're gonna do Nick I need you uh YouTube video box Cello Suite number one by a woman but we can't play the audio

AlessiaBrian likes cows have better faces [ __ ] up let's just watch I think it's still probably Micah this

Pixiecopyright so I just let's not do it because the even the video image could be even the yeah even if it's like fair use where like educationally analyzing movements yeah it's a little on the

Alessiafence and I'd rather not risk it unfortunately it's still ahead of its time yeah so uh deal breaker for you if the guy doesn't want to go down on you um if he just first like off the bat

Alessiasays like oh I don't do that I feel like it's really childish and like yeah I think it is like what's the reason not what's the reason for not like you're not with me for no reason

Brian Atlaslike you know I just don't like looking at it whoa like I'm not stop I don't agree with that okay I like to look I'm a fan of looking what

Alessia[Laughter]

Laurenwait what huh he's saying big labia matter he likes it to look like a box of cow tongues like he wants it to just play I will not hold on

Brian AtlasLauren I I am offended on behalf of women with large labias I will not stand for you are you saying I will not stand for you shaming the

Brian Atlasnatural way in which some women some women's [ __ ] are I will not stand for it I demand an apology to all the women out there all [ __ ] are

Brian Atlasbeautiful yes yes that's right I'm sorry to Brian's mom BLM big labia matter yeah big labia matter just kidding for short okay um I guess not

Laurenwait what you apologize to my what to all the lovely ladies out there yes I mean it's just

Laurena big apologies to your mother speaking of Mother's Day is your mom single because yeah

Amy Dangerfieldshe's married to my dad and they get along swiftly beautiful I would love to just get in there Ryan can you tell us you've never told

Amy Dangerfieldus why you like the lodge labia like what like get out loud World okay why do you like do you want me to actually articulate this articulated in words okay first off if

Brian Atlasthey have an Audi right it like grips lips lips lips that grip it grips the dick the grip gets [ __ ] wait what the dick gets

Emmygripped um it's this next one is hard it's really important we need more men like you though because all these women

Emmyare getting surgeries they have more light and star standard lips and there's a lot of men that like yeah and that's great giant labia hook

Brian Atlasit up but no it's like 10 000 a year uh women in the United States get labia plasty where they get their basically get their General genitals mutilated and uh it's

Brian Atlasvery unfortunate ladies if there's any ladies watching who feel self-conscious about their large labia I will talk you out of getting a labia placing my DMs are open okay I wonder if there's any trans people who like give me a big one

Brian Atlasthat would be hard to do right you laugh and then you're like wait a second okay thought about it wait you have to make it however you want right wait you

Brian Atlaswanted me to articulate why I'm gonna be honest he wants to go into detail now just it feels better

Laurenthat was so descriptive thank you so much from the first thing you said I don't know how to articulate it but okay just kind of feels better you know what I mean no I'm saying is she an Audi or

Brian Atlasan innie don't touch her hair

Pixieoh gross ratchet it's all good I'm confused is this like a mannequin or like a sex doll what is it it's a woman of the night what happened to woman of

Brian Atlasthe night why because she's dark what no no a woman of the night is a okay that's why it's not actually an exact Well Woman of the night would be like a uh a courtesan do you have like a

Brian Atlaslittle red light for her to flash in the window no and scare everyone a big demon no that's like to signify that you're working I I wouldn't get with her because it's

Brian Atlasjust like you know what's the point it's unprofessional you know she's your co-worker you have a problem with Colin haired women huh is that it because her hair is blue you know he loves color hair women no we actually we actually talked about this last show

Brian Atlasum from a purely aesthetic point of view I actually like women who have either like say uh red hair like dyed white

Brian Atlashair uh oh you like the accessory type of women I like blue not green not much email Destiny okay you're like the female Destiny he likes the destiny

Brian AtlasGeneral let me finish my point blue pink red and like uh what like he looked back

Laurenmaybe like a little more white yeah [Laughter] you're already cheating on her mom with

Brian Atlasher what's that movie producer a woody Alex Woody Allen 2.0 oh maybe you shouldn't share that yeah I don't I don't know about that maybe after maybe but here's the thing when it comes to

Brian Atlasthe hair aesthetically I like it however it is associated now there's a pretty strong correlation with if you have color in your hair you're like a woke super super liberal social justice Warrior

Brian Atlasuh person whereas in the past like you're probably it just meant you were like if you had Alternatives yeah if you have it yeah if you had colors very hot

Brian Atlastopic if you had color in your hair like 10 years ago it meant that you it might not have anything to do with your politics you could be apolitical just have color in your hair and you were like into rock alt rock or had daddy

Amy Dangerfieldissues yeah when I went here in college I had blue hair just all the time and then I dyed it back so it's unprofessional yeah I have beef with liberals over that like you guys ruin cool colored hair they took it like no

Laurenthey ruined it they made it they [ __ ] they actually know because like now as a conservative when you have colored hair it really makes you stand out like I had

Laurenpurple hair in law school and then I'd be like super hard like Pro they thought I was trolling as a conservative because I'd like come into con Law class being

Laurenlike [ __ ] Roe v Wade that's bad law wait for it to go overturned [ __ ] and then when it like got over to her like purple hair yeah super fun okay piximous

Brian AtlasMaximus I have a question for you wait oh uh actually before that deal breaker for the guy won't go down on you

Amy Dangerfieldnot not a deal breaker I'm disappointed you're not mad you're just disappointed I feel like he doesn't care about me like enough uh Amy what about you it's not a deal breaker for me I think where

Amy Dangerfieldit would be a deal breaker I think for a lot of women they don't give head because they [ __ ] love it because they salviate at the concept of being able to suck a fat one right it's because they

Amy Dangerfieldwant to pleasure their partner they want to pleasure their partner they want to see their partner gratified and so if a man if you're not doing it for the love of being a throat Goblin right and you

Amy Dangerfieldjust what a pleasure your partner and that is not replicated neck it's muted there isn't a symbiotic relationship in that sense and yes I would have a problem with that right if it wasn't on that type of a level then it would be

Amy Dangerfieldfine no no no the soundboard yeah so I mean if she's a throat throat Goblin prior then yes I disagree however if she's

Amy Dangerfieldjust doing it purely because she wants to pleasure her man and make him happy and he is not willing to reciprocate that then

AlessiaFair wait what oh no I just checked out that throat gobbling he's fantasizing

Laurengirl got on her I don't think I've encountered it um it's possible though possible so you don't yeah do you are

Laurenyou worried that any of your exes are like ands not only that not only would he wear the same stupid flannel to all of our nice dates but first of all also

Laurenfive flannels also would not go down on me and they'd be like oh and like I If you would ask for it all the time like do you worry that that's what your exes are saying behind your back I'm not telling

Brian Atlaswell I think uh on the serious note I think it would be uh I mean besides the fact that I've already disclosed this publicly I do think it would be in bad taste to like disclose well and women do

Brian Atlasthat [ __ ] anyways uh to disclose like private sexual details about the partner um I I believe that there ought to be certain things that you have discretion about when it comes to current partners

Brian Atlasand past partners but um would it bother me if she was like yeah he doesn't eat [ __ ] no do you think that's like one of their major complaints though most of them I'd say most of women that I end up there's there's definitely

Emmywomen out there that I mean I don't know if there's any girls here at the table but some women actually don't like it wait how I don't like it how much do you

Brian Atlascare like it's not my favorite thing she is a keeper okay other stuff wait hold on let's dive deep into this here what are we talking about here what

Kathykind you want to Peg the dude what no I'm not down for that like don't try don't have to go down on me but you have to choke me oh

Brian Atlasshe's got her Kinks like when we were talking choke are we talking just a hand on the throat or are we talking you want to be suffocated you want to see God I think all the way yeah

Laurenthat's like you know you need to come or you can come from I have a question for you first on whatever podcast then on first 48. I have a question for you on the whole choking thing

Brian Atlaswhere was it something that you either saw in porn or was it something that one partner you didn't know you liked it but the partner did it and then you're like

Kathyoh I kind of like that how did you discover that you like to be choked I think there's many ways through whether it's movies or animes what was it what was it for you what was it for you

Brian Atlaschoked by an octopus since I was like tall oh this is 12 maybe 13. wait what's the volume at Nick is it

Brian Atlassounds kind of low oh nuts okay um that's a yikes um so choking how did you was it a dude that

Brian Atlasintroduced you or you you read 50 Shades of Gray or what was it

Kathyactually um Partners too have you ever passed out um I would like to but no I have it

Brian Atlasscared me my recommendation to men is if she just wants like a hand on the neck and you do a little squeeze and

Laurenit's a pretty token choke do it if she wants to be choked the [ __ ] out make sure you uh have your lawyer ready

Laurento go is it just choking or is it space everything yeah do you ever like to Dom or you just um kind of a switch I can do both yeah so like in your house do you

Laurenown like handcuffs whips all of that sort of stuff yes I do you have a dungeon not like a dungeon but you know like a little drawer Jesus do you have one of those sex swings

Brian Atlasum it's not unfortunately my place is not big enough but maybe eventually one day yeah one day what about being tied up do you like to be tied up yes and I can tie too what is it uh what's the Japanese

Laurenokay all right don't ask me why I know that okay all right um what are we talking about we're talking about not deal breakers I wanted to ask

Laurenyou like how important is it to you to make your partner reach the o

Laurenum how important is sorry repeat that how important is it for you to make your part to get your partner to reach the o to climax oh I mean

Laurenhow important is it yeah like if you let's say you like you come you're happy you're like okay good to go are you or are you like okay I'm gonna make sure she sure so my goal is to always have my

Brian Atlaspartner my girl come before me oh okay in every instance so it's a little bit more forgivable then for not going no like I don't like to give head but like I I enjoy to make my partner come I like to make my

Brian Atlaspartner come it turns me on if she comes um even better if it's mid-sex but uh and you can achieve that with hands with toys

Unknownwith whips with choking not with what not what you're talking about it's one thing that you usually you

Brian Atlaswould hope it would be Juiced fire I mean okay you're talking about G-spot for some for some women that's more difficult yeah yeah most women are only

Brian Atlaslike and you got to be like really like if you're gonna make her [ __ ] G-spot orgasm with your dick but like uh and here's the thing though is women's orgasm response is so much more varied

Brian Atlasthan it is in men so you'll have women I've dated women who are like multi-orgasmic who can come in like 10 seconds without toys without hands just uh peeing the V like insane like

Brian Atlasand they'll come like 10 times in a row and then you'll have other women you can use the most intense vibrator on their [ __ ] while having sex while [ __ ] spank like psychologically stimulating

Brian Atlasher and they still can't come so the orgasm response in women is super varied and some women like need very gentle pressure if it's on the [ __ ] some women need like a bit more firm pressure so

Brian Atlasthere's such a variety there's a much more variety what's that sounds like you've had experience yeah bro I'm I'm I've been [ __ ] since I've for a minute since the [ __ ] Bush

LaurenAdministration son and I haven't been I I have gone down on a girl like maybe it has occurred but like it's it's been since the Bush Administration do you think men's body count matters as much as women's body

Brian Atlascount do I think it matters I I think women care less I don't know if I'm answering a question by saying that but I think women care less about body count than do men care about body

Pixiecount I think it depends on top of women I think a lot of conservative children yeah generally I would agree

Emmyalso I think the head subject is a skill issue just kidding the head subject is a skill issue yeah you said you only did it like a handful of times you only did a handful of times ever is it because

Brian Atlasyou didn't get the reward and like the no no no no the reward was achieved I just didn't really enjoy it wasn't my thing I found out very early on I must have done

Amy Dangerfieldit three times and I was like yeah I don't really like it that's what I'm saying I feel like a lot of women do it for that reason right they do it because they want to pleasure their man they want to see him get off and that is

Amy Dangerfieldtheir main objective in doing it it's not necessarily because they are throw goblins three goblins exactly thank you Lauren thank you exactly and so what do you have to say to that though like is

Amy Dangerfieldit a little bit different when your woman is only giving you head because she wants to pleasure you and then you come to the table saying this is not something I'm willing to do are you able to see that in a different light versus

Amy Dangerfielda girl who's just like no go go ahead go ahead sorry there was a girl right in your example that you give her he's like oh she because I don't want to give it now she doesn't want to give it right which I agree that

Amy Dangerfieldis Tit for Tat that's not very good in relationships in general but what if it is a woman who is only giving you head because she does it for your pleasure and she's

Amy Dangerfieldlike I don't enjoy this but I love to see my men get off and I know that this makes him really happy therefore well she enjoys it because of that okay so

Laurenyou don't you don't enjoy the think your girl happy to the point that you become so like women enjoy what Amy is trying to say and tell me if I'm wrong is women

Laurenwill enjoy the act of giving head because they didn't they enjoy seeing their Partners happy not necessarily the act of doing it but you dis like you

Amy Dangerfieldhate the act so much that even if your partner is enjoying it it doesn't bring you Joy at all your pain of doing it and your neck problems super seed yes the

Amy Dangerfieldjoy that you get from seeing a woman get off right and so what I'm saying is maybe a woman has neck problems back problems whatever she doesn't like it but she does it

Amy Dangerfieldexactly so would you see that there is a different instances versus a girl who's just like it's tit for Tot I'm not gonna do this just because you won't do that yeah so the question is whether I'd be

Amy Dangerfieldupset if she was Tit for Tat with it no a girl who isn't tit for a tot who genuinely the only reason she was doing it is because it brings you pleasure that's the only reason so why so why

Amy Dangerfielddon't you do that like that and she says okay well if it's not reciprocal in that sense then it's Tit for Tat then she would be tit for time no no what's the question what's the question you guys

Laurenwhy because it makes you happy why can't you enjoy it to make her happy I don't really totally follow the question

Amy DangerfieldI just I don't I don't enjoy surprise Jerusalem Chad am I being [ __ ] so there's women who say okay it is tit it's tit for Tot sir if you aren't gonna

Amy Dangerfieldgo down on me I'm not gonna go down on you and maybe they even like giving head they like it they enjoy it but they say I'm not gonna do it because you don't want to do it to me is there a question

Amy Dangerfieldare you arriving at a question I'm waiting yeah okay go go go go go versus the woman who says maybe like I don't enjoy giving it but I will give it to you because I like to see you happy what

Amy Dangerfieldis the question there where is the question mark where is the question mark would you you said that you would have a problem like that there is a woman who was saying it's Tit for Tat would you have a problem with Tit for Tat um or

Pixiewould you have a problem with you know woman who enjoys who's only giving it to give you a pleasure like would you have a problem with either of them would that what this was not well articulated I don't know why hold on okay okay

Laurenno you didn't yes okay okay she enjoys giving you head because it makes you happy yes you get that concept

Laurenshe enjoys giving a head because it makes you happy yes okay I get that but you said but she doesn't actually enjoy it I don't want a girl doing it if she hates it I don't want her doing it even

Emmyif it makes you happy but if she hates it if she doesn't like the physical sensation but she does it because it makes you happy she's not a throat no no no hold on hold on

Brian AtlasI don't want an unenthusiastic Beach no it's enthusiastic because she knows that it like

Unknownbro I don't want like a uh sympathetic hello princess sorry Mike a begrudging [ __ ] get the [ __ ] out of

Emmyhere with your begrudge she's passionate because it makes you happy but then she also wants head because it will make her happy even if the feeling is check out

Laurenthis vibrator negative I guess what's up I got you baby check out her her vibrator and index finger well what's she gonna bust out the Fleshlight yeah what if she did that what if yeah

Laurenshe busted out a flashlight she's like oh here's more advanced for men I've seen some lovelies like mechanical wild and they don't have that for women

Amy Dangerfieldand one of the prostate my point is that it's different it's a difference between a woman who's like oh you don't want to go down on me [ __ ] you I'm never going down on you versus a woman who likes it who would do that

Amy Dangerfieldanyway right or a woman who says I would never do that but I'm just doing it to pleasure you and then you're not reciprocating that it's a difference I think it's the difference I sure I

Brian Atlasguess yeah okay it's a deal breaker for you if a woman doesn't give head huh is it a deal bigger for you it's not a deal breaker but um she's a little less appealing

Brian Atlasokay okay you know what besides actually wait there was one relationship I had and it was actually a good relationship it was actually good uh where it she did

Brian Atlasmake it Tit for Tat she was like well you don't want to do it I'm not going to do it and um this was this was when I was younger so uh I would have probably because

Brian Atlashere's the thing I think that you can just because your your partner doesn't want to engage in a certain sexual activity doesn't mean that you necessarily have to be like oh so

Brian AtlasI'm not going to do that [ __ ] for you like I don't think like Amy said I think it has to be I don't think it has to be Tit for Tat but um I did have a relationship with a girl like that and

Brian Atlasfell apart with Tit for Tat for other things or so what if you found out what if she said let me let me just finish really quick so so um but I mean we were having we were just having sex instead

Brian Atlasit wasn't a relationship it was just sex no we had a relationship but just she wasn't going going down on me I wasn't going down on her but I'd say the most of my other relationships

Brian AtlasI don't go down on the girl she goes down on me

Brian AtlasI was trying to make the girl come

Brian Atlasbefore

Laurenshe puts her so you go inside her before she puts her mouth on you I just don't get how you didn't get well my question I don't get how you didn't get what I was saying this whole time there was no question mark there was no question mark

Amy Dangerfieldproblem with the woman who does that does what to protect yes correct but what if the only reason she was doing that was because she is just she just wants to see you pleasured it's not because she likes doing it she does not

Laurenenjoy the dick down the throat she doesn't enjoy the mouth age she does not enjoy I think I think we're just so much hold on what it what is more enjoyable to do to give head or to eat [ __ ] because you've done both which one's

Laureneasier which one hurts your jaw less which one tastes better which one's um yeah and giving head to a demand turn your mic it's kind of like yeah there you go

Alessiaahead um I would say giving head to a man is a lot more work because I'm giving head to a woman is just like simple tongue action flicking you know but for a man you have to put a whole

Laurenlike engorged thing inside of your mouth continuously it's gaped wide open and sometimes you know they took a while it depends so it's like so it's not only more work and she's doing it for his

Amy Dangerfieldpleasure and then he's like I'm not even gonna do the easier task for your pleasure because I just don't like it I don't like it not even because he doesn't like it but he can't even be like I'm just doing this because I want to see you happy right

Amy Dangerfieldthat I have with it because most women are not sucking dick yeah

Amy Dangerfieldunless if it's even what's it I mean my ex used to tell me different he's like no girls [ __ ] love it they love to suck the days that's what they tell you they say I know I had to act like oh no

LaurenI saw this video these girls like really seem to enjoy it yeah I seem to enjoy it in the video like sure they're getting paid for that video

Brian Atlasfor sure I just don't think look there's some things that women might not like in the bedroom there's some things that men might not like in the bedroom ultimately we all have our preferences when it comes to what we like and what we don't like and I don't think it has to be

Brian Atlastotally reciprocal I don't think it has to be totally or sorry not reciprocal uh symmetrical um you know I I certainly what it what I do find interesting though is there seems to be a lot of pushback when a guy

Brian Atlasdoesn't want to go down on a girl like it's like oh wow oh you must be selfish you must be XYZ because it's easy like like it's much easier to go as opposed

Emmywhat the [ __ ] maybe he has like a tongue deformity maybe he can't like flick his tongue have you eaten [ __ ] [Laughter]

Emmydo you eat [ __ ] no why are you that's enough no I have I have it wait did y'all wait what the [ __ ]

Brian Atlasno I mean maybe maybe yes maybe you're discriminating how do you put in the work I got this I had a feeling there was an in there was something between you two you guys uh yeah

Laurenum be [ __ ] okay all right in Australia they tell you to go down under

Brian Atlasall right okay um

Brian Atlasso okay we've been talking about something degenerate so let's talk about something toxic now oh wait really quick pull up the twitch please

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Brian AtlasBoomer thing for the prime guys twitch.tv slash whatever drops the following the prime sub if you have one uh Nick can you also pull up the Twitter post from uh that we got to react to this is one of

Brian Atlasyour uh posts so would you ever date someone with an only fans this is a question for the chat chat would you date a girl with an only fans one in the chat if you would

Emmyscroll it down one in the chat would you date a girl who has an only fans two in the chat you would not date a girl has only fans but won the chat if you would I mean only fans also there's like a whole

EmmySpectrum so there's people who only do cooking on there or there's people who do full sex work or gorgeous people who do drag or I don't think that matters though at the end of the day your reputation is going

Amy Dangerfieldto be affected regardless and anyone going into that career in that profession should be very aware of the label that they're going to get irregardless of the type of work they're doing on the platform yeah but I think a

Emmylot of people assume only fans is only porn for example exactly and they wouldn't date someone who is doing that specifically but anybody who's willing to cause themselves within that same

Amy Dangerfieldlight and same Shadow is willing to caught that same reputation so whether or not they're willing to do the same act like you just said everyone's dumped into that same category therefore if

Amy Dangerfieldsomebody is willing is a willing person going into that they know the type of ramification this is gonna have on their dating prospects on their reputation everything so if they still choose to go

Amy Dangerfieldinto that engaging in it then they should call the full ramifications of that whether or not they're doing BG content out whether or not they're naked they're cooking or not no but in L.A I think in L.A if someone's like I have an

Emmyearly fans people ask like what do you do on it versus I think outside of La people are kind of like oh you have an only fans then like you're you're for the streets is that what it's like in L.A specifically they they categorize it

Laurenbased off whether you're yeah yeah like what you do on only fans like patreon do you okay what led you to only fans because you're a very smart girl you're college educated you went to a very good

Laurenschool you have a very impressive degree so like what what led you to the only fans route she said [ __ ] it yeah no it's like a supply demand thing it's kind of

Emmylike if men are giving me unwanted attention anyway might as well monetize it kind of thing are you doing something other than only fans to like supplement your income yeah so I do real estate I'm a property manager and I own several

Emmyproperties are you worried that only fans are going to um hurt your real estate business at all no I actually think that social media has got given me a lot more opportunity when

Emmyit comes to clients when it comes to being like a buyer's agent or a seller's agent I can just post like hey like does anyone want to sell a house and people actually don't personally know that many real estate agents surprisingly so I

Emmyactually get more listings and more people to be my clients than before it'd be like oh yeah my parents need to sell a house and it's really surprising because I never thought those would

Amy Dangerfieldintertwine but it works I feel like whenever you have a really big following though irregardless you could put up any offer and there's gonna be people who fall through the cracks right who you're like okay this is my ideal client it

Amy Dangerfieldjust it's lore of averages if you have a big enough following but on the balance of probability I would not deem that as like an effective marketing strategy no I don't think that to be able to attract uh real estate clients for example yeah however I had a lot of people in my

Emmyclass so I had to go through like the real estate exam and everything and go through classes I would say like majority of my classmates like have not ever had a listing for example or have had deals even though they've been in

Emmythe industry for like I like couple years so it's like only so because you're a sole proprietor and you have to like get into your brokerage yourself there's not like oh you get

Emmyhired specifically you have to kind of like hustle your own way and it's all about like your spirit and who you know and not even what you know like it actually is advantageous if you have a social media like ironically like the people who work really hard who are

Amy Dangerfieldreally [ __ ] smart for sure your network is your net worth but like I would like I deem it questionable with the people in your network however deem you in a sort of light and a certain regard is that really advantageous to you long term and possibly by what

Amy Dangerfieldyou're saying but I think for the average person having that type of reputation and the people in your network generally regard you in such a lot like I don't think that would be advantageous to Marie's business for the

Laurenaverage person at least it's more profitable your real estate agents like your real estate business or your only fans um it's about even for sure because I have like Airbnb so why don't you just

Amy Dangerfieldgo all in State then because it's like an extra six figures a year okay I get it but but sorry it's really a little multiple things right could you not see yourself if you were put away from the

Emmyonly fan stuff and you just went all in on real estate but also with my only fans Network all my homegirls and all my friends also make a lot of money who don't have the financial advice or like

Emmythe real estate networking connections to help them invest in different real estate properties so like how big is in real estate don't you think it's a cop-out to tell women that the only way that they can make six figures is by

Amy Dangerfieldliterally turning themselves into a commodity and selling their buddy but you make six figures to another Avenue and what I'm saying is why not go all in on that and you're saying but I have friends they see that as their only

Emmything no it's not that their only thing it's just that I can help a bunch of people who have a decent amount of income who can purchase houses versus most of my nine to five friends actually

Emmycannot afford homes so do you actually recruit girls for only fans and um what do you mean like the referral program yeah do you referral program for like agencies oh for like

Emmyonly fans um let's say most people already do only fans that I know like when I started doing the only fans a lot of people already do it but I think occasionally I'll be like yeah like if anyone wants

Amy Dangerfieldto ask me questions like here are the pros and cons but I wouldn't be like yeah this is the life indefinitely but so what she's asking so you recruit those people into your early fans business what not oh no

Amy DangerfieldI don't have a personal business or agency I'm just a sole proprietor for my own only fans platform right but they have an affiliate program right where they can refer anyone and they can make up to five percent of the commissions of the person who they brought on

Amy Dangerfieldirregardless of whether you're an agency or not you can be an individual yeah kind of like an MLM right you can just send someone your sign up link they sign up and but I think to my understanding what she's saying is that there's already girls doing it that then ask her

Pixiefor help versus her seeking out other girls and being like Oh join only fans ask you for help with what like growing their own only how to optimize them yeah how do you optimize it if you're not

Laurenlike doing more like if you're not doing crazier and crazier pictures how are you growing an audience on only fans marketing marketing for your front end so you can do like comedy skits you can

Emmystart doing cosplay stuff you can go to Broadway you can do like anything that's front end you can do music people like as long as you have exposure they will fund into your only fans you don't have to go more and more explicit I think

Amy Dangerfieldthat's a misconception that you have to go more explicit and you have to do porn but it is to a degree not to get people to sign up but the main thing with only fans is the residual income the fact that it's recurring it's month after month but if somebody signs up and like

Amy Dangerfieldoh this [ __ ] is literally just dressing it as a furry to dress it in Cosplay like that's not gonna do anything for them and what I see is especially in a society where things are getting more and more degenerate and now we're

Amy Dangerfieldgetting the AI girlfriends we're getting these AI parasocial relationships things are going to get more and more degenerate they're gonna have to keep pushing the envelope and pushing the envelope and pushing the envelope in

Amy Dangerfieldorder to get people to subscribe on that like residual basis and I think that's what she's more so talking about it's not about the marketing to get people in like irony people who literally said hey I'm launching it only fans had a

Amy Dangerfieldthousand people sign up and their first picture was a thing saying soccer I got you right it's not about that it's about the ability to be able to have that ongoing residual income and that is not going to happen unless you are

Emmydelivering the content that these people want or expect right now I kind of want an only fans that just gets like I mean there are a lot of people actually scale back like I actually know

Emmypeople who used to be in porn who used to actually do you know in real life clients and all that there were institutes basically they yeah I knew people who used to be prostitutes who

Emmyjust scale back on only fans and now they only do like lingerie stuff and it's great because they were able to like save up and eventually like delve into something that's legit I know people like from all avenues who like

Emmystarted from only fans and then they funded all the money into different like passions that they're into like um I have a friend who's a race car driver but they had and only fans for a

Emmyyear before they were able to like fly themselves see these different like race tracks and stuff like that and she's really open about it too but yeah and I think that's great I think if you're gonna do it then [ __ ] yeah I have an

Amy Dangerfieldexit strategy have a plan because number one your body is a depreciating asset and even Mills and gills yeah exactly but then somebody's gonna make an AI of you and you're not going to get paid [ __ ] for it

Emmybecause they're just going to create something in your likeness or something that's even more attractive because to be honest but that's not fear but the money like you know opportunity costs like money is worth way more now than later if you just like don't optimize

Emmyanything that you have now that you can take advantage of then it's gonna pass and then in the future you might ask like oh what if I did that true but but also but no it's free but mostly sorry I'm sorry with your mindset and intellect I would agree but with your

Amy Dangerfieldmindset and intellect not with your body I feel like at the end of the day there's two very different types of people there are certain people who believe who are very um opportunistic and I think it's a good thing to be

Amy Dangerfieldopportunistic but you need to have parameters on that at the end of the day your money money should never cost your [ __ ] dignity that's what I believe at the end of the day and there's people dignifying I think it's undignifying because I think that at the end of the

Amy Dangerfieldday your body your naked body is the most intimate you could ever be with somebody other than physically doing the act with them and there's maybe some people who are able to be commercially detached from that but I would agree

Amy Dangerfieldthat it's very rare and even you pixie have admitted that you literally said on the podcast with me that if you were to put your naked body on only fans you'd probably be depressed you probably deal with self-esteem issues yeah but that's

Amy Dangerfieldalso me personally I know but that is the majority of women the majority of women because of our psychological proclivities and our inclinations will not feel good about ourselves because sexualizing yourself nine times out of

Emmyten I feel they have more agency over sexualizing myself I also wasn't swim my entire life so like I was in like competitive swimming I had personal trainers my whole life and I feel like I was just in swimsuits like my entire life growing up and I was in the Junior

Amy DangerfieldOlympics and I feel like people sexualize me no matter what and I feel like if people did that it's got to be different in professional sports like my mom was a professional swimmer that's

Amy Dangerfieldvery different at the end of the day definitely still do specialize

Amy Dangerfieldthey're always going to find a way to do do that but I feel like like a professional swimmer especially at like that type of professional level Olympic level very very different or in the fans girl and one of the biggest things about

Amy Dangerfieldsexualizing leads to something called objectification objectification means that you only deem yourself as an object you you view your value based off your physical appearance which is proven

Amy Dangerfieldthrough many many different studies that that is one of the ramifications that come along with sexualizing yourself or being sexualized by others I have a question for you so what do you think

Amy Dangerfieldabout people who acted in for example Euphoria HBO shows like Game of Thrones where I'm completely against all of that and honestly I'm probably deemed as someone who's a little bit extra in our society but I don't watch any of that I

Amy Dangerfielddon't watch I never watch Euphoria I don't listen to music that explicitly talks about being overly sexualized and yet I am very very intentional about anything that comes in here because I know that everything that comes in here

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