Feminist CRIES And WALKS OFF When Asked "Define Misogyny"?! REVENGE By SEX?! | Dating Talk #109

Date: 2023-10-16

Duration: 5h 27m

Guests

Brian Atlas

RRachel (DT109)>

AAriel (DT109)>

YYasmin (DT109)>

BBecca (DT109)>

VViolet Brandon >

MMadison (DT115)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01TTS/Clip(audience)

SPEAKER_02Violet(guest)

SPEAKER_03Nick(audience)

SPEAKER_04TTS/Clip(audience)

SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_06Ariel(guest)

SPEAKER_07Yasmin(guest)

SPEAKER_08Becca(guest)

SPEAKER_09Rachel(guest)

SPEAKER_10Madison(guest)

Key Moments

Key MomentViolet reveals she left her management company (nudies) in 2023, losing access to her 13M Instagram follower account which was technically owned by the manager. Now goes by her real last name Brandon.

“I've been with them since I was 18 and they put me on all of my accounts... I wanted to move on... I had a Instagram account with 13 million followers yes I did and but it wasn't yours”

Key MomentViolet confirms she has made 7 figures in at least one year from her adult content career and owns multiple properties.

“seven figures yeah we could say... have you in any year did you ever make seven figures yes”

QuoteViolet on reconciling Catholic faith with adult content career: "We're in a broken world and I was kind of born into that... I'm just a product of my surroundings."

“we're in a broken world and I was kind of born into that... I'm just a product of my surroundings as I grew up”

Key MomentRachel reveals her high school ex stole and totalled her car, then framed her with police. He had taken her keys under pretense of charging his phone.

“they had my keys little did I know that they were actually going to drive my car they went to get McDonald's into a waste management truck”

Key MomentRachel reveals the same ex faked his own death to try to win her back — had a friend call saying he was unresponsive in hospital.

“he had his friend call me and tell me that the nurses said that he wasn't going to make it and he was unresponsive”

Key MomentRachel reveals the same ex pulled a knife on her at his house, nicked her finger. She escaped by distracting him with sex.

“he pulled knife on me... he just kept repeating it and like why didn't you leave... I had sex with him so yeah it's okay”

QuoteYasmin says feminism and career-focus taught to women is a "mind virus": "I do think it's a mind virus and that's what I was taught in school and college."

“I do think it's a mind virus and that's what I was taught in school and college”

QuoteRachel says about her sex work experience: "I realized — what would my dad think — that's like sounds dumb." Moment of self-reflection.

“I kind of realized oh in the long run like this isn't going to be good for me... what would my dad think like sounds dumb”

Key MomentRachel reveals she had sex with a man out of spite after he called her a derogatory name at Chabad. She laughed during the encounter and he kicked her out afterward.

“I went over there... cuz I was just talking to my sister about how I should be using those... he got kind of I could tell very uncomfortable”

QuoteViolet says she would stop adult content and have as many children as her future husband wants: "I'll pump out as many babies as my man wants me to pump out."

“I'll pump out as many babies as my man wants me to pump out when I get to that place in my life”

OtherBrian asks Violet to say she supports "Big Labia Matters" (#BLM) — his satirical nonprofit. She says it into camera with raised fist.

“I support big Labia matters”

Key MomentRachel reveals she performed oral sex for money via Craigslist on two occasions ($129 and $100) — a man who initially advertised a "poolside catering" gig.

“he paid 50 to 75 for an interview in person with potential for you to make more... I made like 129 and then 100”

ControversyRachel cries and walks off after Brian asks her to define "misogyny." She called the panel misogynistic after a viewer donation told her to abandon feminism. Could not define the word, became visibly upset, said "I'd like to go home," and left despite Brian trying to keep her talking.

“you guys are all just like really misogynistic... I don't know I don't like this... I mean no I'd like to go home”

QuoteBrian frustrated after Rachel leaves: "I literally asked her how she defined a word she used" — defending asking her to define misogyny as a completely reasonable request.

“I literally asked her how she defined a word she used... I was trying to understand her position”

QuoteBrian's end-of-show vent about talent flaking: 10 flakes, stalker calling police before show, talent coordination burning him out, disrespect for people who flew/drove in. "The show is literally sucking the life out of me."

“I'm working 80 hours a week on the show I'm dealing with a bunch of behind the scenes... the show is literally sucking the life out of me”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Brian introduces show; lists 10 flakes/no-shows by name. Guests introduce themselves: Rachel (21, UCSB biopsychology), Ariel (23, paralegal/aspiring attorney), Yasmin (32, sales), Becca (29, medical aesthetics sales), Violet (23, adult content creator — formerly Violet Summers), Madison (18, SBCC/Whatever Podcast staff). Violet discusses leaving her management company and losing her 13M Instagram account.

Violet's OnlyFans Career and Catholicism

Extended discussion of Violet's adult content career: started at 18, primarily solo, some girl-girl. Left nudies management in 2023 and lost 13M Instagram account. Makes 7 figures; owns multiple properties. Goes to Catholic church with grandma; had confession. Family knows and is supportive. Reconciling faith with profession.

Relationship Status Round

Each guest describes current relationship status and history. Rachel: single, 4-5 people she is ignoring. Ariel: single 5 months (Christian, virgin, purity ring, no men in picture). Yasmin: single, celibate until right person. Becca: single 1+ year, FWB with ex. Violet: single since 17, all relationships tied to content/work. Madison: in relationship (~1 year, boyfriend Frankie).

Feminism vs Traditionalism Debate

Central debate of the episode. Becca identifies as partly feminist (equal pay/Independence) but also wants traditional relationship. Yasmin is firmly traditional: career focus is a "mind virus" from school, women's purpose is nurturing/family. Rachel is pro-feminist. Violet and Madison lean traditional. Brian argues non-traditional women want traditional men but the two are incompatible. TikTok video reaction: liberal woman who wants traditional treatment from a non-conservative man.

Rachel's Relationship Horror Stories

Brian reads from Rachel's pre-show notes. Stories include: ex stole and totalled her car then framed her, faked his own death, pulled a knife and she escaped by offering sex; open relationship that was only open on boyfriend's end; slept with drug dealer for $129 and $100 via Craigslist; obsessive stalker who printed coloring pages and showed up at her window with a new friend; simp ex who bought a puppy at her joking request and nearly got a restraining order.

Revenge Sex / Getting Back at the Person Who Called You a Bad Name

Rachel reveals she slept with someone out of spite after he called her a derogatory name at Chabad. Matched him on Tinder a year later, went over, had sex, laughed at the condom moment, told him horror stories afterward, and he kicked her out.

Racial Preferences in Dating

Round-table on racial preferences. Ariel: prefers white men, dated black men before but happier since switching. Becca: prefers white men. Yasmin: same race (Persian) preferred but not exclusive. Violet: no preference (last partner was Asian). Madison: attracted to white men (brunette, brown eyes, thick eyebrows); first two partners were Asian.

Height Preferences

Round-table on height requirements. Becca (5'7"): 5'6" minimum, 5'10"+ preferred. Yasmin: above 6 feet preferred. Madison (5'2"): 5'6"+ preferably. Violet (5'0" inferred): not a size queen; high school BF was 5'5". Brian: women's height must start with 4 (jokingly about preferring petite women).

Sugar Daddies, Sex Work, and OnlyFans

Discussion of sugar daddies (Becca had one unintentionally — her spineless ex). Violet's OnlyFans: someone tipped her $5,000 in a night. Violet on weirdest requests: scat (declined), peeing in nature (has done). OnlyFans content restrictions discussed. Whether OF girls simp for men to compensate for their work.

Firearms Ownership

Round-table: would you date someone who legally owns a firearm? Yasmin says yes (protection). Becca: yes (ex took her shooting, changed her view). Violet: yes, owns two guns herself. Madison: yes.

Rachel's Walkoff — Misogyny Debate

Viewer donation tells Rachel to abandon feminism. Rachel calls the panel "misogynistic." Brian asks her to define misogyny. Rachel becomes upset, cannot define it, starts crying, and leaves the show at ~3:43. Post-walkoff discussion: Brian frustrated (was just asking for a definition), Yasmin says it was Rachel's first time facing consequences of her actions, Madison says keeping her crying would not help.

After-show Discussion Topics

Topics after Ariel and Rachel left: love and whether it's necessary for long-term relationships; deal breaker if guy doesn't perform oral sex; most attractive hobbies; would you date a trans person; immigration and 50/50 split debate; Grim Reaper hypothetical (sacrifice yourself or spouse); Alpha/Beta male theory; reactions to streamers Asmongold and xQc Instagram profiles; Violet invited back for Tuesday show.

If a Guy Gets a Girl Pregnant

Brian asks: what do you say to a guy who got a girl pregnant but doesn't want the kid? Panel: step up, take responsibility, use protection in future.

Pro-life / Pro-choice Round

Brief round-table. Becca: pro-life. Yasmin: pro-choice politically but personally pro-life. Violet: keeping private. Madison: goes back and forth.

Wrongful Conviction Loyalty Test

Brian asks: if your boyfriend/husband was wrongfully convicted, how long would you wait? Violet: forever (would be like military wife). Becca: yes, 10+ years. Yasmin: forever. Madison: yes.

Grim Reaper Hypothetical

Brian asks: Grim Reaper says take your life or your husband's — who do you choose? Yasmin: herself. Violet and Becca: themselves (strategic reasoning about husband fighting the Reaper). Brian debates whether self-sacrifice or survival is more "Alpha."

Transcript

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Brian Atlastotally well granted a lot of men are socially um I thought you couldn't say that word I get the pass cuz I'm also I'm I am arser so I'm

Brian Atlasallowed to say it like I'm part of that community so I get the pass why you squinting why are you upset that I dropped huh yeah I don't like that word you don't like that word God we well we

Violetcould have a debate on it but no it's okay she doesn't like the r word um back to what you were saying before why why don't you like the r word just out of curiosity because it's it's not nice

Violetyeah I think they used to say it like all the time like in the 70s it was just normal and then all of a sudden it became like offensive let me let me just respond she's talking about what Violet

Brian Atlasis talking about is the euphemism treadmill where we come up with a new word that is supposed to be politically correct and then through years of use

Brian Atlaspeople will Mi will misuse it to refer to like someone in an insulting way and through that um like idiot or

Brian Atlaswhat what is it um used to be God I'm going to get canceled like that used to be a medical term um now it's viewed in this like very

Nickderogatory way also isn't there something from uh you don't call people retards it's bad taste you call your friends retards when they're acting

Brian Atlasdo you disagree or like I mean I have used it in a medical science and biopsychology like w that's kind of inappropriate are you referring to people who are arered as arler no it's

Brian Atlaslike that's really inappropriate like psychot ret mentally handicapped wait what's the appropriate word like mentally they use the word what's the appropriate word now special needs oh

Rachelyeah Special Needs special needs yeah it's the euphemism treadmill and now in like now that's probably in 10 years is going to be deemed like inappropriate so well it's just like cuz people misuse it

Brian Atlaslike you were saying it's like once you start using it derogatorily it yeah but I don't think people use that word like directed at people who are actually like mentally uh handic I feel like even

Brian Atlasmentally handicapped now is not appropriate I don't know what the but it actually has like a definition in the medical field well French like okay so I was born in France I speak French at

Brian Atlaslike a arler level and like it's like slow or to slow down that's what it means in

RachelFrench well yeah that's also psychomotor retardation like that's actual like well that also refers to

Rachellike no even like here like in the DSM 5 like that's still how it's like defined it's kind of like how how did we get on to the arler thing I brought it up what did I say it's like you oh you said that

Madisonand then she just said that she didn't like yeah she's squinted you're saying how you were like in that yeah that I'm arser yeah why can't I call myself

Madisonarur am I I feel like it's like the term like if you're calling say like a woman fat like that used to be or I like now you say like BBW why did you save this

Brian Atlasuntil now what now you're going to like take a stand on that acceptance after she left

Madisonbro I I was just she didn't want you didn't want the no we were on the conversation topic of saying how the r word has been like it's been how it's

Violetlike super offensive like people misuse it and like that's why I'm just referring to like you know people used to be like oh that's so gay you know you can't that watch out watch out with that

Violetone watch out it's not that bad to say that you're such a bigot Violet what the I'm just oh my God I I no

VioletI believe in free speech and you know I say you're going to get canceled Violet watch out I don't okay I don't think you can cancel me but right she's uncan she is UN

Brian Atlascancelable you can't cancel women I think I think you can't cancel or like once you've seen their butthole like you can't really cancel once you've seen once you've seen a woman's

Brian Atlasbutle okay where were we where were we was I reading chats reading yeah I was reading chats okay I think we got through all of them um let's see okay

Brian AtlasI'm coming back to uh we oh um would you guys date somebody who legally owned a firearm starting with you I've never asked someone if they

Brian Atlaslegally own a firearm that's not the question I don't know I've never thought about that let's say you found out a guy owned a firearm would you cuz like I maybe you have a

Brian Atlasposition on guns like personally I don't like guns um I understand that people have them I've like okay what about like a

Brian Atlassignificant other who if if your position is you don't like guns would you then not want to date somebody who was a gun owner and who was like pro gun it depends on the extent

Rachellike if they're like super like yeah guns like that's that's not attractive but it's like I understand like some people find comfort in having like a gun

Rachelin their house for self- protection the right to bear arms um and like stuff like that it's like you know you do you but I mean being like super gunman like

Rachelthat's personally I don't find that characteristic attractive okay so yes you would date a guy who owns a gun

Beccasure okay back what about you um I feel like my position has changed on this I used to be very like no guns and then I went on I dated this guy for a while who

Beccatook me to like a shooting range and like his grandpa was like a a cop retired cop and then he kind of showed me like oh like you can use guns in a responsible way and like it was actually

Beccakind of fun like going shooting with him so to answer the question yes I would date a guy who owns Firearms I think there's a reason for the Second Amendment and yeah I would

Yasminand I would want someone that I'm with to be able to like protect and gun is a form of protection Violet yes I own two so she own like to

Brian Atlasowns do you want to like are you talking about these guns you want to flex oh wait oh it's not very flexy wow you just

Brian Atlasmissed it Nick okay I what she you huh he missed your gun show I was

Brian Atlaslike Madison what about you yes okay um let's see have any of you ever had a sugar daddy

Violetunintentionally unintentionally was it the guy who was your bat yeah yeah what about you have you sugar daddy nope sugar daddy no Violet I'm assuming sugar daddy all of my subscribers are my sugar

Brian Atlasdaddies all her Subs are the sugar daddies okay um cuz I mean there's obviously a difference though there's like people who subscribe to you on o but then there's people who you have a

Violetbit more of a conversation with I assume right and then no everything I do is for my content like it's transactional through

Violetthat I don't go off to the side and what's the most of guys like ever tipped you or just like sent you out of the blue like here's 1,000 bucks anything like that yeah I think someone's tipped me like 5,000 just like in a night just

Madisonto be nice and that's amazing like wow thank you good times good times but yeah what's like the weirdest requests you've

Violetall of you have gotten from a guy random question but ooh uh I won't talk about that one because it's like they like it it's mean

Violetit's just like um pooping they want you to poop and I would never do that just cuz I I I'll like pee but I won't poop on them is that what they're no just like on camera oh oh oh yeah I've heard

Violetthat before yeah that's crazy shit's Haram I've never peed on anyone or had anyone pee on me I i' I've done like

Violetcontent where I go out in like nature and I pee and then I record it and yeah it's fun failed Society o doesn't allow that actually they don't allow peeing

Violetreally that's where that's where only fans draws the linew or sticking like your panties inside of you they don't allow that they don't allow that yeah and I'm like what so it's such a like

Brian Atlaswow common fantasy to like stuff your panties and why would that that's so like I could kind of see the peeing thing but why would putting your panties

Brian Atlasbecause they don't want other objects that aren't like dildos or dicks inside of you oh so it's like a catchall thing I see because they don't want people like okay I think that kind of makes

Rachelmore sense wait so they're shoving your underwear inside of you yeah it's like shoving my own panties in my I feel like that's like a clown trick you

Violetstart pulling them out you know but you never heard that no I actually started on Snapchat um that was

Violetwhere I started and when I worked for nudies I posted on the nudies app and that's where I uploaded my content until

Brian Atlas2020 when I started posting on o yeah word word okay I'm going to bring it back here to to our good friend

Brian AtlasRachel so Rachel mhm uh can you tell us a bit more like how would you make that guy your batch um like would you just talk

Racheldisrespectfully to him like boss him around type that's the thing is I literally did nothing and the thing is is I would yell at him and like it sounds terrible technically it's

Racheldomestic violence but sometimes I get angry and I slap him but it's like cuz like I don't know I get so frustrated um and it was frustrating cuz every time I got frustrated he just sit there and smile and be like I know it

Rachelhas nothing to do with me you're just going through things and I was like no but I'm I'm literally mad at you um you were mad at him yeah so were you the toxic one or was it mutually toxic I

Rachelmean I would say technically I was I was toxic but that toxicity came out came from the unintentional tox toxicity um

Rachelit's like when someone cares about you to an unhealthy extent it kind of makes you a little crazy um a lot of crazy and it's like I know I was a terrible person

Rachelto that individual but also a lot of the things that they did to me were like very unforgivable so

Brian Atlasyeah so you hit hit him yeah nothing like hard or bad is Wayne Brady going to have the choke a bit a did you ever choke no no but I guess like that's the

Brian Atlasthing too is like even with like sex question was this nonreciprocal like he didn't touch you at all and but he made you angry in some way and you would walk up to him and hit him like slap him across the face what do you mean not in

Rachelthe face like in the arm you know kind of like you do with your siblings but like no but this was like an upset hit yeah um it was nothing like hard nothing that left to bruise also it's like one of those things where it's like oh like

Rachelhe'd hit me and stuff during sex cuz that's like a sexy thing and it would leave well you wanted it though right I mean I'm really apathetic about most things um okay I mean usually there's conversations about that sort of stuff

Rachelbut okay yeah so I think also that kind of added a lot of pented up anger also he would like tickle me all the time and like not not stop which also like I don't know I think a lot of that also

Brian Atlaskind of built up as like a lot of like huh huh you know it's like that just extra energy going into your good slapping hand sure um let's see

Brian Atlassomething about I don't think the whole you got invited to a party with a bunch of old dudes and got disinvited I don't know that one's not you okay you got invited to a sex party with a bunch of old men you got

Brian Atlasdisinvited because you offered to bring Viagra or you asked excuse me if you should bring Viagra mhm did you have Viagra I mean it's easy you can just go to like 7-Eleven pick it up um I think

Brian AtlasViagra you need a prescription from a doctor it's not OTC I didn't know that I mean they have those like weird Rhino pills or whatever I which I don't I don't think that's what's what

Brian Atlasis the uh generic of Viagra is it s denail God now the chat's going to be wondering why I know this I just listen I'm I'm a uh I'm a man

Brian Atlasof I've been educated um okay um but yeah they do sell stuff that like does that work I've never taken any

Brian Atlasof that gas station Rhino pill whatever uh okay um you let's see you said you tried sex workout but realized that the immediate

Brian Atlasgratification of Cash Money probably was not worth it in terms of longterm effects um what do you mean by you tried sex workout what does that mean um God I don't even know if I should be like

Brian Atlassaying this on camera it's cool you got a sex worker right here solidarity I mean it's it's it's like a little bit different than that I say what are you talking about what kind of what are we

Brian Atlastalking about here talking like sugar baby type are you talking about like um are you talking like

Rachelprostitution we'll just say I found this person the same way I found you um Craigslist okay I don't know um I found through

Brian AtlasCraigslist what was the Craig what did the Craigslist ad say or did you put up the Craigslist ad saying I'm selling my for $50 no no the craigsl D was uh looking for someone to help with

Rachelcatering gigs like poolside catering gigs with like fouie people um also helping like cater up Poker events and stuff and I was like oh that sounds

Rachelreally cool but they needed like pictures of me for I guess the uh it was like a bikini catering gig you had to be in a

Rachelbikini well it was a they did ask about bikinis but I didn't have to show any of my body or anything like that and I guess the guy liked me and wanted me as his assistant as he put it oh so he's

Brian Atlaslike a fake Craigslist and he was trying to get women through a craigan mhm I mean I've heard of this that's usually used was it a talent gig uh no I would consider it close to

Brian Atlaswaitressing originally wait so did you initially did you do the actual job oh no no so he asked for photo okay so it's like a scam but he wanted a that's so weird um

Violetbro get Tinder you dork okay yeah when I was 17 I almost got fooled into a Craigslist photo shoot also and they were like it's just going to be my

Brian Atlasapartment and I was likeit super sketchy um yeah but so but you said you tried sex work out so I'm a little confused because the way you're telling the story

Brian Atlasmakes it sound like you accidentally got baited but you said you tried it out so what do you mean you TR like I went for the bait but was there other besides

Brian Atlasthis anecdote were there other situations where you tried sex work out um I

Rachelmean to an extent but it's like usually not like full execution it's like preparation if you will man I don't know

RachelI feel like I'm being overly vague like just go for it it bro we got we got Violet here she she pees on people or sorry you don't do that my bad she she wants to in

Violetnature in nature she she pees in nature bro she's got you beat you're good spill the beans I pee in nature all the time like yeah like it's become very like

Brian Atlasokay thank goodness I don't care about the peeing thing I just you said that you've tried out sex work uh what have you

Racheldone um I let's Okay the man has a wife who

Rachelis career focused and would not sleep with him and I think it's even sadder the

Rachelfact that he had to pay someone else to then do that for him how did you meet him and did that person do it for

Rachelhim uh actually no I never actually him thank goodness but old men are really easy to uh how much money did he pay you to not him I mean

Rachelhonestly not enough cuz I actually had no idea how much he were supposed to charge for that um what did you you just talk to him no I just like you met up

Rachelwith him did you meet up with him yes did you do anything sexual with him yes what did you do um EJ yeah and like it it was super easy it was like very quick didn't take much

Racheltime come out how old was he uh he said he was 39 yeah oh okay um which is like not that old it's not

Rachelthat bad how much wait so how much did he charge or did you charge if I say it's going to make me sound really Dad

Rachelno judgment this is a judgment free zone I mean I made like 129 and then 100 129 Did you add on 99 Cents at the end of

Rachelthat or no like $129 and then another time $100 $129 okay he met how did you you said you met them on Craigslist yes they've took it I'm pretty sure on Craigslist

Brian Atlasthere's no more of these like there used to be like a uh dating thing like a class IES on Craigslist but that's been gone for a long time bro everything's on Craigslist you search gigs it's like one person was like oh I want to build my

Rachelphotography portfolio and like I like photography so I offered to help I was like but you have to show me like a actual portfolio like evidence that you're a photographer and it was like

Rachelall ladies naked I also had someone who wants to pay me to be their friend like I'm done with Craigslist like this is sad this is making me

Brian Atlassad I need to stop talking the the guy the guy who you went over to his house who had the wife who was busy with her job whatever um you met him on Craigslist

Rachelwhat was his ad it it was the one to like help like you know serving to help what like uh doing like the catering you know oh it was that guy

Rachelyeah but he wanted pictures because it was pool side and it wasn't pictures on my body but he didn't think I was a five out of 10 so well yeah he just asked for other

Rachelthings mhm was it a legitimate job but then he yeah transitioned into it was a liate it was a legitimate

Racheljob it did not last long enough for the execution of the actual job itself the actual job description so you did you go over for an interview I'm trying to understand like timeline here you never actually did any catering you went over to his house to meet him for an

Brian Atlasinterview [Music] mhm and then he was like I actually don't need you to help me with my non-existent catering business I'll give

Rachelyou $129 for a BJ I mean the interview process I it was kind of like already insinuated that it was like after the pictures that's when

Rachelhe was like oh I want you to be my assistant instead and then assistant was the other thing and then I went over there and for my interview I got my

Rachel$129 and then the other time I went came out with hundred and oh you went another time yeah it wasn't until one of my housemates made a joke about me having old man come in my mouth and I was super baked and then I thought about that for

Rachela long time and I was like yeah I'm not I don't like that so yeah that's

Madisonthat I love old man come bro Violet what the Violet's probably like the chillest

Madisonlike sex worker we've ever had on the panel on on the show um thanks wait okay first off MH like I want to hold

Brian Atlasmen accountable too it's pretty I think it's pretty kind of scummy to like put a supposedly job a legitimate job

Brian Atlasoffering on Craigslist and then like try to maneuver that

Brian Atlasinto getting like that's course my guy there is Tinder there is hinge there

Rachelis Bumble there are dating apps so it's sleazy I'm just confused like did you he kissed like a straight

Rachelgirl that is like a nice way to put it so like he what I said he kissed like a straight girl who who what he kissed oh he kissed like a straight girl yeah that's just like a figure speech it's

Brian Atlasyou kissed him yeah like he was wait so how did the whole conversation about the money exchange go down I don't know I'd have to look

Rachelthrough my text messages it was sure pull it up really yeah do you want me to go grab my phone Nick can you grab it do you know where it is Nick can grab it for you it has a green snail on it Nick will grab it um it should be oh so wait

Violetbut I thought this would have been a conversation in person it's it's the gray one with this this was not a conversation in person no this Craigslist Journey has just been around

Rachelhere right yeah that's why I'm like there's a lot of sad men in Sant bar BR I'm like oh man um it's not like I have a problem with it like I'm definitely like Pro sex work and stuff like that I

Rachelthink it's just like for me I also have like an unhealthy relationship with sex so I think I realized that's what I mean by like longterm versus shortterm like I was like oh this is really great like I'm fine with this I'm having fun with

Rachelthis but then I kind of realized oh in the long run like this isn't going to be good for me like for my mental health and also like it made me feel a little um I don't know I yeah like I think

Rachelabout it and I was like oh what would my dad think like sounds dumb met you met him for the the first time before you went over to his house was it clear that he was like romantically or sexually interested in

Brian Atlasyou yes so had you before you went over to his house did you was there a negotiation on price for the what you were going there

Rachelto do I guess yeah I don't know I didn't really negotiate much cuz I didn't really know what I was like getting into here let's read the text go ahead okay

Brian Atlaswell first so I'll be like oh okay well why did why did here oh my God bro where is it I

Violetdon't yes I'm so sorry fireworks my God bro I know it's not

Brian Atlasguns um oh no okay hold up uh can you like scoot into the table

Brian Atlasor something the mic's blocking you get nice and close again

Violetum on the topic of sex work I guess like what made you want to start um nothing I was there was never a

Violetdecision like today I'm going to dday you know um I think I just I left my hometown when I was 17 and I really

Violetwanted to just road trip and figure things out um I just graduated high school early so I was just a mess and so I was like I just want to make some

Violetmoney and go on the road and so I started um chatting with some guys on Snapchat um and I got $40 and I hit the

Violetroad and then it's all started got $40 for what for sexting with a guy and he came and then it was he was like 3

Violetminutes in and he was like okay I came thanks here's 40 bucks so I was like whoa I can hit the road and I was like so excited and I went to

VioletVegas and life on easy mode yeah so from October of 2017 to

VioletFebruary of 2018 I was just living on the road making content and that's when uh nudies discovered me and I signed with them and moved to Phoenix got my

Rachelfirst apartment okay yeah uh all right let's go back to your text so I mean there's like obviously normal

Racheljob conversation and then the the okay so he was like I'd pay 50 to 75 for an interview in person with potential for you to make more and I was like start

Racheloff with 75 and I'll show you why I'm worth more cuz I was like I'm better than $75 for hour I had no idea what somebody for the interview yeah for the interview just for one interview yeah

Rachelyou typically don't get paid for an interview and he was like I'll spend I'll spend 30 minutes showing um he's like spend 30 minutes showing me why you are worth it and possibly hiring you on

Rachelthe spot and like it it wasn't even 30 minutes I made more than $75 um so when you read that text did you already know that he wanted

Rachelsomething more yeah my sister is now texting me I don't like this I'm like I don't know what she's watching right

Rachelnow oh oh my God yeah she is okay um okay besides the point basically yeah that's that's how that

Rachelwent Brian hates today I feel so bad like pulling teeth with you guys Jesus it's hard cuz like I don't know I have like people out there watching also technically that's illegal

Racheland like also I'm just like sussed out I'm trying to be a better person I'm just okay so you had the first the first meeting he paid you $129

Brian Atlasmhm but then you went back to see him again he paid you 100 yes and that was the extent of your interaction with him yes what happened on the that was a subsequent BJ uh yeah that was fine and

Rachelthen like I don't know that's when what it was so head yeah for okay this is so easy um but the thing is is like afterwards that's when I got high

Rachelin my room room said that and then I kind of contemplated everything and then there's just like a long long long thread of text messages of him just making himself look really really really

Brian Atlaspathetic him the guy is that the only is that the only guy that you tried sex work with I mean in high school the guy I lost my virginity to so badly wanted

Rachelto that um obviously I wasn't planning on actually him but I kept just seeing how high of put the pH somewhere else please holy I'm getting so

Racheltriggered guys I'm sorry um okay continue um I just kept like seeing how high he would make it even though I wasn't actually going to execute it cuz I don't know I was in high school but I

Rachelthought it was funny so it was not sex work I guess no technically not outside of that it's like I guess everything's been free that's why a lot of the times

Rachelwhen people call me a I like to be like actually I'm a cuz I don't charge but I also that was part of my change of mind as I was like shoot I can't keep saying

Brian Atlasthat it's kind of funny okay um

Brian Atlasuh so you said that you've tried sex work but was it just this weird sleazy dude was that it or were there other instances well no there was just that

Racheland then like other people on Craigslist I was planning on or thinking about executing but I've had a shift in my my

Brian Atlasmindset so you did engage in sex work with other

Brian Atlaspeople not an execution only the one there is that answering your question did any other men pay you for

Rachelyour uh sexual attention no men should men should they should what do you mean by that I feel like sometimes I'm doing God's work like sometimes I'm like damn I really threw

Rachelyou a bone what do you mean I don't know um I've just been with

Rachellike men of all shapes and sizes and also sometimes I take pity on men and so I am

Brian Atlasgenerous you men because you pity them you just sometimes they feel bad are your parents still together no was

Brian Atlasthere any childhood trauma yes okay checks out um

Brian Atlasso my God bro holy I don't even know where to uh okay

Brian Atlasum I don't even know what to say bro okay hold on let me do a couple sure let's do twitch guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime

Brian Atlassub uh did I say steo Jan thank you for the tier one Duckman thank you for the prime nibble muncher thank for the prime uh Jennifer thank you for the

Brian AtlasPrime acroma thank for the prime uh peps thing for the prime twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime sub if you have one uh

Brian Atlasuh okay um also we have a chat here I believe from Errol Collins I'm Violet's sugar daddy love you girl he is love you you know arol Collins yes that's master

Brian Atlasarrol and master arrol yes okay love him he's the best he wants to be called Master yes okay that's only if he pays you money though right yes okay we have

Violetan agreement how much does he he's your sugar daddy no yes he's on my OS he's one of your subs okay he's very loyal subscriber love him okay

Brian Atlasum the whole Craigs this thing's wild to me that's that's some wild stuff um

Brian Atlasuh okay um you said you slept with a dude out of spite because he called you

Rachela yeah yep that word that I he she was a h I can't argue it anymore she was a h um do you think you're a

Rachelwell now technically by definition I have done that um I see it as a profession uh I feel like it can only be used in a professional

Rachelcontext uh okay iide of that you know it's a little offensive uh I would say I mean yeah I guess I am uh but

Rachelbasically what happened was when everything was going on with my open relationship which ended up only being opened by one end is I'm Jewish and I

Rachelwas at habad a very holy place and I was having a conversation with my friend what sorry keep going about you know the

Rachelrelationship drama and then uh one of my friends there called me a which I was very surprised by especially considering the fact that habad is like very

RachelOrthodox um and so then about a year later I match with them on Tinder cuz like every time I see someone I know I like to swipe right cuz I think it's funny um and he hit me up and like wanted to hang out and I was like if I

Rachelwas like I don't know if this man's trying to sleep with me or what and I went over there and he was like talking to me like all flirty which was really confusing me and you know OB I could not

Rachelstop laughing I was like this is so weird um but you know one thing led to a next and um yeah it was funny because he was like went to put on a condom and I laughed

Racheland then he like why are you laughing and I was like no reason and then afterwards when he went to take it off I started laughing really hard and I was like cuz I was just talking to my sister about how I should be using those and he kind of freaked out and then I proceeded

Rachelto tell him a bunch of you know horror stories like me in a guy's bed um oh you've told that story too many times stop telling that story yeah can we not talk about that um wait well no

Brian Atlasbut so hold on let me let me ask a couple clarifying questions here yes the guy you were you okay he called you a HOA mhm and then you were determined

Brian Atlasbecause he called you that it was like you wanted to spite him you wanted to sleep with him out of Revenge and you did yes and then when he why why did you

Rachellaugh when he wanted to wear a condom oh CU you're like cuz it was just funny cuz that same day I was talking to my sister about how how much you raw dog yes um

Racheland how like that's something I should be using um um so I was like this were you on birth control yes yes I am um so I was just like oh this makes makes the Revenge even greater I thought it was

Rachelhilarious like he got kind of I could tell very uncomfortable and was kind of trying to push me out the door um I don't know I thought it was really good Revenge I thought it was funny you said evil plan went so well that he kicked me

Rachelout of his house what part was what was the evil plan uh showing him showing him a he called me a I was like fine you want to sleep with a I'll show you a and it freaked him out

Rachelso your idea of getting revenge was letting him hit I'll show you a yeah he you

Brian Atlasout of his house yes I thought I mean is so but but your revenge was making him

Rachelcome that's Revenge to you is that a w is that the W no my thing is is like you don't just call A woman a and then

Brian Atlaswant to turn around and sleep with them oh so you were like trying to prove him like he's he's a hypocrite because he called me a do you do realize that

Brian Atlasmen will yeah I I've learned that now um but so what was the did you actually that was the Revenge it you wanted to sleep with him out of spite because he called you a yes I

Rachelthought it was hilarious especially cuz like I even brought it up to him and he was like no no like I'd never call a woman that all this stuff and like blah blah blah blah blah blah blah cuz he's

Brian Atlaslike one of those kinds of guys so he called you a and then just like and just this this light bulb over your head came up and you're like I want to

Rachelthis guy well I didn't really want to necessarily him at the time but you know it worked out that way and I was like this is this is great Revenge

Brian AtlasYou I is that a w is that a W for a woman to a guy she does not like that sounds like kind of an L welle it felt like a win to me you

Rachelsaid before that like women can have sex with like anyone they want yeah so why would you have sex with him also now I know some weird kinky about him too so it's like I Got Dirt

Arielwhat stop it get some

Brian Atlashelp I'm a little speechless okay where oh can only like I feel like it's only men that can spite I don't think women can spite because

Brian Atlasif like you spite us like still hit though like it's still a w i mean no that's not true it's like I've you showed him how did you show did you give

Rachelhim herpes is that what no I could maybe that do you have no I am a clean individual sir do not uh-uh was he like you're a I don't I don't

Rachelis that why it was Revenge yeah that's saying he there's no way he said that it's not that he idea but it's like the whole like that's just his personality like that's the kind of guy that he is

Rachelit's like that's the same thing it's like I don't know like when I got out of my 7mon relationship I then also turned around and slept with a bunch of people cuz I knew that was the last thing he wanted like that's also kind of the same

Brian Atlasthing right little Revenge bigger revenge is that really a w to like no W to just go and a bunch of dudes who you don't care about and they don't care

Rachelabout you to get back at your ex-boyfriend no that's what I'm learning with age that's what I'm talking about new mindset going places bettering ourselves

Brian Atlasuh wait it's okay did you like was did you like him really well the guy who called you a

Brian Atlasa bro that's a W for the guy H how is that Revenge you're ready like you'll never get this horor again I thought it

Rachelwas hilarious I I mean yeah that too also it's really crazy did you did you s his d s his D did you s his D what does that mean did

Rachelyou s his D blowy in the Holy oh I don't remember you were you drunk no were you high no how do you not remember if you SED his D because like sometimes you

Rachelthere was p in the v it sounds like there was p in the v yeah there's on the P it's just yeah I don't know if you if you like you don't necessarily have to remember every time you so

Brian Atlasyou're telling okay I did not him again though you wanted to sleep with him out of spite yes you hooked up with him really quick and then he your evil

Rachelplan went so well that he kicked you out of his house yes doesn't that kind of sound like a W for the dude I thought I thought it was funny I mean

Brian AtlasI guess it did come around and bite me in the ass um you thought it was funny because is sex like a funny thing to you is it just like such a casual it's just

Brian Atlaslike a handshake yeah have you totally detached intimacy from sex yes that's kind of depressing yeah wow I'm not going to deny

Rachelthat do you want to get married one day yeah that's also why um do you want to have kids know no I have a cat if I have a child I will take attention away from my cat no I won't do

Brian Atlasthat I don't know um I probably won't get married but that's okay I'm perfectly content with that have you ever spite any other guys like I hate this guy so much like

Brian Atlasdo you it's like you've been squinting at me a lot like do you kind of want to spite me no a little bit no I've pissed you off P beyond the point point

Brian Atlasof no return kind of like a guy's climax we've it's beyond the point of no return I've said too many not because I'm like

Brian AtlasI you could be like Brian let me go s your D right now and I'd turn you down yeah cuz I'm a five out of 10 no just like your past disqualifies you from even anything sexual but well yeah

Madisonthat's also why I probably won't get married Bas did you just say piss Bas I said Bas what does that mean um never

Madisonmind at least you know fa failed Society at least you're taking that into account

Rachelmhm are you okay no what what's wrong with you too many

Brian Atlasthings what is wrong too many things are you okay holy okay

Brian Atlasum wow say it say what you want to say Brian mhm yeah you're you're a deeply damaged individual I'm not saying that to be mean but like this is like

Violetvery intense you're talking about yeah I also wasn't expecting this to be live oopsies yeah I kind of feel bad for her cuz she came into she was like I have no

Brian Atlasidea what this thing is I just found him on Craigs List yeah I didn't know that we have Craig out yeah you know we got we we're

Brian Atlasputting ads on various places to get people for to be on the show so um uh let's see okay

Brian Atlasum bro what the freak um I should have put less things on that list no this is great this is wonderful

Brian Atlasum cuz see I feel like a lot of people have your kind of stories but they would never they would never admit this so I

Brian Atlasmean I first off without endorsing some of these things you've done I have to give you credit for your forthcoming

Brian Atlasthis your openness your honesty

Rachelit's you know I mean I'll stride with pride like I'm not going to lie like a lot of it's like funny at least I think it's funny I laugh at it it's it's funny

Brian Atlasyeah I laugh at my own life it's an ongoing joke wait question huh okay so kind of overall though so you said you've had like a lot of experiences right mhm let's talk about body count

Brian Atlasmhm do you think it's wrong for a guy to judge a woman on her body count like to not want to be with a girl cuz she's had a lot of previous sexual partners yeah cuz it's like a huge double standard

Brian Atlaswhat if it's not though like it could be but what if it's not like not a double standard you

Rachelum I mean yeah with some guys it's it's not a double standard um yeah I don't know I just don't think

Rachelum things tend to work out when people are on different pages like even with my friends I found that relationships are hard when people are not like it's not about being sexually compatible is like

Rachelalso sometimes like people care a lot about experience too like cuz jealousy can derive from those types of things along with like spite or judgment so

Rachelwhat I found is like most of the time when people kind of have those things in common there's less um

Beccacomplaint question mark I don't know do you object to men caring about body count uh I think it's

Beccaif he's going to ask about my body count then I feel like okay I'm G to look here oh okay um then I guess I would want to

Brian Atlasknow his body count so do you think it's like immature or in insecure for a guy to care about body count I yeah okay

Yasminyeah yeah body count for men and women is different and I feel like part of a woman's value comes from her

VioletPurity so you don't object to men like caring about body count no Violet what about you I think men and women can care about

Violetbody count I think it's a little like unclassy to ask you know like in Regular People sense but if you're coming to someone like a sex worker like you definitely should ask I think it's very

Brian Atlasresp responsible a guy a guy should ask a woman who's a sex worker her a body count yes oh okay Madison I don't object okay if they're planning on having sex

Brian Atlastogether sure yeah I think it's important okay so some of you said body count doesn't matter um if body count doesn't matter what's your body

Rachelcount I only count certain things it's 35 what do you mean you only count certain

Rachelthings I don't like I count it as I think what the definition is I just know some people yeah I just know a lot of people that Define it differently than that if that makes sense do you mean

Brian Atlaslike some people will Define it like they'll only count long-term relationships or they won't count one night stands type of some people will count like oral and stuff like that

Brian Atlastoo should we do let's do p in the v count and S in the D count oh I I I I've lost counted that I don't know well okay

Brian Atlasso p and the V count that what's your p and the V count 35 what's your sing the D count I don't know

Rachelestimate maybe like into the mic four

Rachel40 is 40ish 40ish I really have no idea so 100 plus I don't know could be just

Brian Atlaskidding well cuz I mean you said you know 35 for p and the V yeah but it sounded like it would be much higher sing the D because you've forgotten well

Rachelyeah cuz I have a list in my diary of people I so you have a you have a diary can can we see it no can you scan me a fax me a copy or some you'll

Brian Atlasjust look at and be like why what do you write do you like write a page do you just have like a on line entry uh Oliver this date his penis was

Rachelthis big oh no I don't take notes on the guys um you just name that's it mhm and then everything else in there is like completely unrelated yeah okay um

Brian Atlasmhm okay um um 35 would you say because you're 21 right like of your female friends do you

Rachelthink that like 35 is pretty typical no I most of the people I um hang out

Rachelwith are different in than me in that sense my best friend from home like we're very

Rachelsimilar in those ways um I'm also not from California and I feel like things people's mindsets here might be different or at least all the people I've met since I've been at school are bit

Brian Atlasdifferent okay so 35 body count okay uh Becca what about you

Beccaum can we pass no can't pass cool cool got it um I would say total body count probably around

Brian Atlas20 around 20 yeah yeah okay not something I want to share she said it does

Brian Atlasmatter Violet um I don't think I'm comfortable sharing here tell us what Violet's body count is and tell us what Elizabeth's

Violetbody count is look I've been doing sex work for since I was 18 so I've done a lot of shows and stuff but um it doesn't

Brian Atlasmean my sex my body count is like really high doesn't mean it's low it just it is what it is also why did you make her have to answer and not them two I mean I can't force her to answer it seemed like

Brian Atlasshe was pretty definitive I mean do you want to is it it's one at least one right mhm okay Violet I assume it's at least one

Madisonfor you too H I don't know I'll be right back I need prove that Madison Madison hello oh are you gonna answer the

Brian Atlasquestion or eight okay I need to get up really quick um if there's anything you guys want to talk

Madisonabout does anybody have anything please what do you think Brian's Body Count is is that do you so he's been a few

Violetserious relationships I would say mhm is he from California he was born in France oh yeah he was when did he move to California I guess he like 12

Yasminsomething okay probably like 2 years old or something considering that we're in El vist I it it's above 50 to 100 wow who that's my assumption oh yeah I feel like the college kids here go pretty

Violetcrazy I would say I feel like you have to work pretty hard to get like 50 to like not if you're a woman yeah but it it's time consuming at least right H not really I feel like if you're if you have

Madisonnothing to do if you're a college student all you have to do is school like there's parties here 5 days a week so it's like not 5 days a week and maybe could be but a few days a week just

Violethoring for free like yeah exactly I'm just kidding um yeah but y'all all went to Santa Barbara is that

Madisonlike the common thing right here wellb is like the number one party school in is it in California or in I'd say

MadisonAmerica one at least top three in at top five in the US for party school so I don't know it's just like I guess the party environment kind yeah even my grandma knew she's

Beccalike you're going to UCSB so oh did you go too she like I know I I transferred I went to a Christian University before I came here so very 180 oh okay yeah I just feel

Madisonlike the party environment here is a little more you guys talking about school or M no we're talking about like party environment and like I don't know she was saying like I know yeah how it's hard to rack up like a 50 body count and

VioletI said like not if you're a woman especially here who said that I just think it would be time consuming I mean I understand like women are turning down guys every day but yeah

Violetsome girls will do that their first freshman semester or quarter 30 bodies yeah and it's amazing that like people think porn will wear

Brian Atlasyou out but college girls are doing that it's crazy well I think the difference the the criticisms of women involved in

Brian Atlasporn is that shit's like on the internet for Life mhm yes and you definitely have to be okay with that and so I think probably a lot of guys have an issue with both they don't want a woman with

Brian Atlashigh body count and they don't want women who have naked photos of themselves or like sleeping and other men on the internet for the world to see that's probably they're both

Brian Atlasundesirable I'd say for most men do you disagree mhm it's okay if you disagree Violet no I agree agree you

Brian Atlasagree yes sir but you continue doing the work that you're doing despite you yes cuz I love it you love what

Violetprecisely um I love creating content I love being free and traveling and kind of just creating my day around what I want to do and I understand that it's not going to be like that forever so I'm

Brian Atlasjust making the most of it right now and getting getting it all locked in Good Times okay okay um let me see if we got any chats

Brian Atlashere we have Daren Murphy do you want to read this one Rachel I think it's directed to you

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