Feminist CRIES And WALKS OFF When Asked "Define Misogyny"?! REVENGE By SEX?! | Dating Talk #109

Date: 2023-10-16

Duration: 5h 27m

Guests

Brian Atlas

RRachel (DT109)>

AAriel (DT109)>

YYasmin (DT109)>

BBecca (DT109)>

VViolet Brandon >

MMadison (DT115)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01TTS/Clip(audience)

SPEAKER_02Violet(guest)

SPEAKER_03Nick(audience)

SPEAKER_04TTS/Clip(audience)

SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_06Ariel(guest)

SPEAKER_07Yasmin(guest)

SPEAKER_08Becca(guest)

SPEAKER_09Rachel(guest)

SPEAKER_10Madison(guest)

Key Moments

Key MomentViolet reveals she left her management company (nudies) in 2023, losing access to her 13M Instagram follower account which was technically owned by the manager. Now goes by her real last name Brandon.

“I've been with them since I was 18 and they put me on all of my accounts... I wanted to move on... I had a Instagram account with 13 million followers yes I did and but it wasn't yours”

Key MomentViolet confirms she has made 7 figures in at least one year from her adult content career and owns multiple properties.

“seven figures yeah we could say... have you in any year did you ever make seven figures yes”

QuoteViolet on reconciling Catholic faith with adult content career: "We're in a broken world and I was kind of born into that... I'm just a product of my surroundings."

“we're in a broken world and I was kind of born into that... I'm just a product of my surroundings as I grew up”

Key MomentRachel reveals her high school ex stole and totalled her car, then framed her with police. He had taken her keys under pretense of charging his phone.

“they had my keys little did I know that they were actually going to drive my car they went to get McDonald's into a waste management truck”

Key MomentRachel reveals the same ex faked his own death to try to win her back — had a friend call saying he was unresponsive in hospital.

“he had his friend call me and tell me that the nurses said that he wasn't going to make it and he was unresponsive”

Key MomentRachel reveals the same ex pulled a knife on her at his house, nicked her finger. She escaped by distracting him with sex.

“he pulled knife on me... he just kept repeating it and like why didn't you leave... I had sex with him so yeah it's okay”

QuoteYasmin says feminism and career-focus taught to women is a "mind virus": "I do think it's a mind virus and that's what I was taught in school and college."

“I do think it's a mind virus and that's what I was taught in school and college”

QuoteRachel says about her sex work experience: "I realized — what would my dad think — that's like sounds dumb." Moment of self-reflection.

“I kind of realized oh in the long run like this isn't going to be good for me... what would my dad think like sounds dumb”

Key MomentRachel reveals she had sex with a man out of spite after he called her a derogatory name at Chabad. She laughed during the encounter and he kicked her out afterward.

“I went over there... cuz I was just talking to my sister about how I should be using those... he got kind of I could tell very uncomfortable”

QuoteViolet says she would stop adult content and have as many children as her future husband wants: "I'll pump out as many babies as my man wants me to pump out."

“I'll pump out as many babies as my man wants me to pump out when I get to that place in my life”

OtherBrian asks Violet to say she supports "Big Labia Matters" (#BLM) — his satirical nonprofit. She says it into camera with raised fist.

“I support big Labia matters”

Key MomentRachel reveals she performed oral sex for money via Craigslist on two occasions ($129 and $100) — a man who initially advertised a "poolside catering" gig.

“he paid 50 to 75 for an interview in person with potential for you to make more... I made like 129 and then 100”

ControversyRachel cries and walks off after Brian asks her to define "misogyny." She called the panel misogynistic after a viewer donation told her to abandon feminism. Could not define the word, became visibly upset, said "I'd like to go home," and left despite Brian trying to keep her talking.

“you guys are all just like really misogynistic... I don't know I don't like this... I mean no I'd like to go home”

QuoteBrian frustrated after Rachel leaves: "I literally asked her how she defined a word she used" — defending asking her to define misogyny as a completely reasonable request.

“I literally asked her how she defined a word she used... I was trying to understand her position”

QuoteBrian's end-of-show vent about talent flaking: 10 flakes, stalker calling police before show, talent coordination burning him out, disrespect for people who flew/drove in. "The show is literally sucking the life out of me."

“I'm working 80 hours a week on the show I'm dealing with a bunch of behind the scenes... the show is literally sucking the life out of me”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Brian introduces show; lists 10 flakes/no-shows by name. Guests introduce themselves: Rachel (21, UCSB biopsychology), Ariel (23, paralegal/aspiring attorney), Yasmin (32, sales), Becca (29, medical aesthetics sales), Violet (23, adult content creator — formerly Violet Summers), Madison (18, SBCC/Whatever Podcast staff). Violet discusses leaving her management company and losing her 13M Instagram account.

Violet's OnlyFans Career and Catholicism

Extended discussion of Violet's adult content career: started at 18, primarily solo, some girl-girl. Left nudies management in 2023 and lost 13M Instagram account. Makes 7 figures; owns multiple properties. Goes to Catholic church with grandma; had confession. Family knows and is supportive. Reconciling faith with profession.

Relationship Status Round

Each guest describes current relationship status and history. Rachel: single, 4-5 people she is ignoring. Ariel: single 5 months (Christian, virgin, purity ring, no men in picture). Yasmin: single, celibate until right person. Becca: single 1+ year, FWB with ex. Violet: single since 17, all relationships tied to content/work. Madison: in relationship (~1 year, boyfriend Frankie).

Feminism vs Traditionalism Debate

Central debate of the episode. Becca identifies as partly feminist (equal pay/Independence) but also wants traditional relationship. Yasmin is firmly traditional: career focus is a "mind virus" from school, women's purpose is nurturing/family. Rachel is pro-feminist. Violet and Madison lean traditional. Brian argues non-traditional women want traditional men but the two are incompatible. TikTok video reaction: liberal woman who wants traditional treatment from a non-conservative man.

Rachel's Relationship Horror Stories

Brian reads from Rachel's pre-show notes. Stories include: ex stole and totalled her car then framed her, faked his own death, pulled a knife and she escaped by offering sex; open relationship that was only open on boyfriend's end; slept with drug dealer for $129 and $100 via Craigslist; obsessive stalker who printed coloring pages and showed up at her window with a new friend; simp ex who bought a puppy at her joking request and nearly got a restraining order.

Revenge Sex / Getting Back at the Person Who Called You a Bad Name

Rachel reveals she slept with someone out of spite after he called her a derogatory name at Chabad. Matched him on Tinder a year later, went over, had sex, laughed at the condom moment, told him horror stories afterward, and he kicked her out.

Racial Preferences in Dating

Round-table on racial preferences. Ariel: prefers white men, dated black men before but happier since switching. Becca: prefers white men. Yasmin: same race (Persian) preferred but not exclusive. Violet: no preference (last partner was Asian). Madison: attracted to white men (brunette, brown eyes, thick eyebrows); first two partners were Asian.

Height Preferences

Round-table on height requirements. Becca (5'7"): 5'6" minimum, 5'10"+ preferred. Yasmin: above 6 feet preferred. Madison (5'2"): 5'6"+ preferably. Violet (5'0" inferred): not a size queen; high school BF was 5'5". Brian: women's height must start with 4 (jokingly about preferring petite women).

Sugar Daddies, Sex Work, and OnlyFans

Discussion of sugar daddies (Becca had one unintentionally — her spineless ex). Violet's OnlyFans: someone tipped her $5,000 in a night. Violet on weirdest requests: scat (declined), peeing in nature (has done). OnlyFans content restrictions discussed. Whether OF girls simp for men to compensate for their work.

Firearms Ownership

Round-table: would you date someone who legally owns a firearm? Yasmin says yes (protection). Becca: yes (ex took her shooting, changed her view). Violet: yes, owns two guns herself. Madison: yes.

Rachel's Walkoff — Misogyny Debate

Viewer donation tells Rachel to abandon feminism. Rachel calls the panel "misogynistic." Brian asks her to define misogyny. Rachel becomes upset, cannot define it, starts crying, and leaves the show at ~3:43. Post-walkoff discussion: Brian frustrated (was just asking for a definition), Yasmin says it was Rachel's first time facing consequences of her actions, Madison says keeping her crying would not help.

After-show Discussion Topics

Topics after Ariel and Rachel left: love and whether it's necessary for long-term relationships; deal breaker if guy doesn't perform oral sex; most attractive hobbies; would you date a trans person; immigration and 50/50 split debate; Grim Reaper hypothetical (sacrifice yourself or spouse); Alpha/Beta male theory; reactions to streamers Asmongold and xQc Instagram profiles; Violet invited back for Tuesday show.

If a Guy Gets a Girl Pregnant

Brian asks: what do you say to a guy who got a girl pregnant but doesn't want the kid? Panel: step up, take responsibility, use protection in future.

Pro-life / Pro-choice Round

Brief round-table. Becca: pro-life. Yasmin: pro-choice politically but personally pro-life. Violet: keeping private. Madison: goes back and forth.

Wrongful Conviction Loyalty Test

Brian asks: if your boyfriend/husband was wrongfully convicted, how long would you wait? Violet: forever (would be like military wife). Becca: yes, 10+ years. Yasmin: forever. Madison: yes.

Grim Reaper Hypothetical

Brian asks: Grim Reaper says take your life or your husband's — who do you choose? Yasmin: herself. Violet and Becca: themselves (strategic reasoning about husband fighting the Reaper). Brian debates whether self-sacrifice or survival is more "Alpha."

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswe had 10 flakes today eight of which were well okay we had a couple no shows I think seven of which were under 24-hour notice so I'd

Brian Atlaslike to just do a little shout out Noel claims to have Co Jazz claims to have Co Iona claims to have Co M I don't know how the to pronounce your name

Brian Atlasclaims to have Co Alyssa fence sitter whose boyfriend didn't approve Katie no reason given Natalya no reason given Jania no show ja YZ Y no show Sarah no

Brian Atlasshow gentlemen this is what you're going to be dealing with in the dating Marketplace you're going to get flaked on day of they don't give a this is why you don't plan some elaborate first date because any of you who've had experience with dating know that last

Brian Atlasminute flakes are extremely common when I was more active in the dating scene I think my flake rate was for Planned dates was like 50% uh and they're going to flake right before the date like a few hours before so uh yeah that's what you're dealing with

Rachelin the dating Marketplace anyways without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age and occupation go ahead hi my name is Rachel

RachelI am 21 and I am a student currently at UC Santa Barbara and I study biopsychology got it welcome hi my name is Ariel I'm 23 years old and I'm a

Brian Atlaspargal okay do you want to become a lawyer EV I do want to become an attorney yeah cuz your Instagram handle is like Miss attorney so you're not quite there not yet not yet but you want to be an attorney do you know what kind of law you'd like to practice I would

Ariellike to either go into big corporate law or civil rights law didn't he that oh if you can close the doors Nick um Corp corporate law mhm

Beccaokay got it okay what about you I'm Yasmin I'm 32 and I work in sales all

Beccaright uh I'm Becca I'm 29 I also work in sales what would you guys sell drugs no

Brian Atlasum I work for a tech company so software okay what about you drug dealer Medical Aesthetics oh so you work at a plastic

Brian Atlassurgeons office sort of but not really like it's more like lasers Las lasers so what are some what are you what are you selling precisely laser facials laser hair

Brian Atlasremoval laser Tex removal okay so yeah that's yeah that's not cosmetic surgery that's almost Dermatology kind of yeah

Violetbut it falls under Medical Aesthetics uh Violet what about you I'm Violet I'm 23 and I'm a content creator 23 content what kind of content do you make violet

Brian AtlasI make adult content and travel lifestyle kind of content got it um how long have you been doing adult content for since I was 18 since you're 18 okay

Violetand I've been making content since I was 17 like not adult okay okay okay okay uh and when it comes to the adult content wait at any point were you a Dancer too

Brian Atlasno Ian I was a dancer in high school but not like a stripper um and when it comes to the content you do is it are you making solo content BG content girl girl content

Violetwould you I mainly do solo I have done collabs with girls um I like I prefer solo because I can kind of just do my

Violetown thing and I've also done like boy girl with strangers and you know random people but nothing like oh I collabed

Brian Atlaswith a male porn star I've never done that but you so you have done BG content correct yes okay gotcha are you at Liberty to speak about the recent

Violetuh dilemma with your content creation or um yeah I can speak a bit about it are you saying like with my management with management cuz like you you were

Brian Atlasworking with a management company and then you had I was with them since I was 18 um and that's when I got my name Violet Summers and they put me on all my

Violetaccounts and I've worked with them oh I'm so sorry so I've been with them since I was 18 and they put me on all of my accounts

Violetand it's been great I just wanted to do something else and I have no ill will towards them but okay it's his decision ultimately in the end if I get to keep

Violetmy accounts and that just wasn't really what he wanted to do so I totally understand and it's good I wish them well but I wanted to move on well cuz didn't you have like a Instagram account

Violetwith 13 million followers on it yes I did and but it wasn't yours it was the management company's account yes so he gave me that when I started working for him and I built it up but technically

Brian Atlasit's his because we had an agreement that I would make it money the whole time okay have you thought about trying to buy the account or did they delete it what did they do with it so I talked to

Violethim and I was like hey I would love to still work with you with on social media or if I could buy the account um the only way he wants to do it is to to have a brand I don't know he wanted me to

Violetmake a brand and then we could sell something from that account with that brand but I just really want to focus on content creating right now and I just don't want

Brian Atlasto do that so I just told him no okay oh so there's not like a big falling out or anything just no it's just um everyone

Violethas their own relationship and idea about Aaron um who Aaron is the manager of nudies sorry you talked to him before

VioletAaron yes oh no talk just kidding but um wait what so yeah he's just the manager no I

Brian Atlasjust there there's a lot of only fans management companies that reach out to me so okay I got you yeah okay so he works with one of them sure sure sure where was I what was I saying uh you

Violetwere saying it's all good yeah it's all good yeah um it's just parting ways and that's pretty much it okay Madison what

Madisonabout you my name is Madison I'm 18 years old I'm a student at spcc studying business as well as a host at a bar and I work for the whatever podcast rock and

Brian Atlasroll and then Violet's actually she's starting to work for the whatever podcast too she's going to be helmet girl number two and she we're going to put her on the other side but she that's that was going to be the plan for today

Brian Atlashowever uh we we had to throw her on the panel because uh we had some no shows so okay we're going to go around the table once more what is your current relationship status so are

Brian Atlasyou single talking stage situationship Friends with Benefits relationship married polyol sex C Harum all of the above um how long have you been single if you're single what's

Rachelyour longest relationship go ahead um I would say I'm currently single uh yeah I'll stick with that um and my longest relationship ever has only been seven

Arielmonths longest relationship 7 months you're currently single correct yes okay got it um I'm currently single as well

Ariellongest relationship was 3 years and I've been single for the past 5 months longest relationship 5 years

Yasmincurrently single about less than 2 years you've been single for less than two years got it what about you uh

Beccacurrently single been single for over a year now and longest relationship was a little under 2 years sorry um you've been repeat that

Violetyou've been single for how long again um it's been over a year now okay one year and longer relationship you said was two years right yes okay Violet what about you I've been single since I was 17 and

Brian Atlasmy longest relationship was in high school and that was two and a half years okay 2.5 but so you've been single for six years right yes okay six years

MadisonMadison I'm currently very taken my current relationship is my longest and it's been a year and a month all right

Brian Atlasthere we have it um let's see so everyone here is single besides Maddie what does it mean though to be

Brian Atlassingle so I'm asking there's a guy in the picture right there's somebody in the

Rachelpicture I mean there's always somebody you usually got a sneaky link or two but I don't know I see like being single as

Rachellike Independence it's Freedom it's like the ability to do whatever you want um well you said so you said you're always seeing somebody usually yes and you mentioned

Brian Atlassneaky link or two how many do you currently have any sneaky links yeah I would say I have a sneaky link eight singular plural you have just one 2 3

Brian Atlasfour five seven for or I would say I'm

Rachelcurrently ignoring some if that is an answer I don't I don't know I'm really bad at answering those types of questions you're ignoring how many are you ignoring let's

Rachelstart there um at the moment I would would say like three maybe four arguably ignoring through the four yes so they're texting

Rachelyou they're trying to hit you up and you're just not responding or you're kind of yeah actually maybe four or five yeah I'm just kind of being like a little snake on my five to six oh man I have no idea this is hard it's hard to

Rachelkeep track after a while you know well it's also like very very whoa very many variations in like how the those relationships kind of are

Brian Atlasso yeah okay sorry I feel like I'm doing bad at this so um there's a couple of sneaky

Brian Atlaslinks that you're ignoring yes how many uh like are you people are you currently are you by are you both ways I I I get

Rachelthat asked a lot um I mean I don't really know what to call myself as as far as sexuality goes because like I'm just extremely open-minded like I've

Rachelliked girls before I've liked people that are trans um I usually just I usually like date men and stuff

Racheljust cuz they're really easy um but yeah wait you prefer to date men because they're really easy well it's not cuz I prefer to date men it's just

Rachelthey are easy so that's kind of how it goes men are easy you mean like to get laid are you talking like getting sex from them I mean yes as a female it's very easy to get laid by a man you just

Brian Atlaskind of have to ask okay yeah pretty straightforward pretty simple okay um so do you have like a estimate a sense of like how many people you're currently

Brian Atlasseeing I would say currently that you're not ignoring like sneaky links or whatever I would say like technically one yes oh technically one technically one okay gotcha got it um and I'm going

Violetto come back to this some of some of all this stuff in a little bit but um men are easier is anyone else hereby Violet are you no I'm not I do I

Violetdo girl content but I definitely not by yeah okay so you're gay for pay is that the term yeah I mean for sure I'll definitely have fun

Violetand my girl girl shows they're more like oh we're hanging out and we're you know playing with ourselves together you know we're we're kind of like being naughty

Brian Atlaslittle girls word okay uh cool so just you mhm none of you have experimented like

Madisonkissed a girl and you liked it Katy Perry no have you ever like tried getting with the girl I mean you say like men are easier so I'm wondering if

Rachelyou've like tried a woman and I'm pretty sure she just tried hard you've tried I mean yeah kind of um it's definitely like difficult like I've never hooked up with a female before like I've

Racheldefinitely like kissed and made out with girls like maybe a handful of times not very many um it's really hard to tell with females whether or not they're just being drunk and nice or if they're

Violetactually trying to flirt with you you know um also I I get very intimidated by girls okay I would imagine it's hard being a lesbian because I feel like

Violetgirls are not very like confrontational we're very like you come up to me and then if I accept I accept but for girls it's like who comes up to who first yeah

RachelI feel like gender roles have been changing a lot too like even in relationships with men I get really confused sometimes like what is and isn't you know okay or what to be

Brian Atlasexpecting so like yeah with females it get like extremely complicated yeah okay um so there's one person you're kind of dating now is it's a guy I'm assuming

Brian Atlasyes okay and you have a couple sneaky links that you're ignoring got it uh what about you do you have uh couple sneaky Links at the moment no

Brian Atlassneaky links situation situationship no nothing none of that zil zilch no none I'm a Believer so what do you mean a believer I'm a Christian oh okay so so

Arielyou're some do that some do but not over here so so there's uh no guys in the picture I'm like dating is it are you on any dating

Brian Atlasapps I'm on dating apps yeah when's the last time you went on a date Lord um Lord have mercy 3 years ago three years ago three years ago you're

Arielon dating app so no no luck on well I just became single a few months ago you're newly single newly single newly single yes why did he dump you none of

Arielthat oh I dumped oh you dumped him unfortunately why did you dump him um quick answer he was not a Believer so oh yeah how long were you

Brian Atlasdating him 3 years you found that out 3 years into the relationship um or did your belief change and so no my belief was always

Arielthe same but um he basically lied about it and I didn't know okay until something transpired it's it says here in the pre-show notes you provided I was unaware that I was in a love triangle

Brian Atlasand I was the pawn are this most recent relationship a different relation that's a different thing different love okay not a love triangle okay I see

Brian Atlasokay um so are you're you're Christian are you waiting until marriage to I am get frisky yes so are you a virgin yes okay I am my purity ring right there that's a that's the Purity it's gorgeous

Brian Atlasmost people like oh my gosh you're married I'm like married to Jesus is that's what I tell them okay mer it to Jesus if it let's say you're you're 23 now let's

Brian Atlassay you get to 33 and nothing happens do you become a nun like at what point you become would you ever become a nun no what if you're 43 and it just like hasn't happened yet nope it'll happen

Brian AtlasI'm not worried about that yeah I cuz that's what I always wonder like what if you're really religious and like you're but just like nobody comes along I'm not saying that's going to happen I'm just

ArielI think like you just you know you just go out on a Friday night at 43 and you're just like all right I'm just going to somebody he some people have some mysterious stories and some people get to become married at like 50

Brian Atlas60 70 but do you want kids I do want kids you're like how is that going to work huh well well I mean look I mean I'm just saying let's say you hit 45 it

Arielhasn't happened yet you could still I mean you can still get pregnant 45 it's tough though I think that's I think it's going to happen soon you're only 23 right she's

Violetgot time you have time trying to make it seem like I'm so old you're young you're 23 I think because you are like Christian I think yeah like it's going to happen for you yeah that's like the

Arielbest pot of men you can like go in and find so and then I'm going to a Christian University so there's something called like okay something where like they get married like really

Arielfast in the first 3 months ring by Spring yeah ring by Spring yes Spring by spring ring by Spring I know it well what's what's that you get a ring by Spring us get engaged by Spring yeah

Ariellike everyone does that at that University at multiple most private Christian universities yeah so you just come out I'm married all right what about you you're

Brian Atlassingle how long did you say you've been single for a well less than two years a little less than two years okay uh are you currently seeing anybody no one of the nek boys no cuz isn't your

Brian Atlasgirlfriend that you were going to bring but I guess she couldn't make it she's dating one of the nek boys isn't she I don't know what do you mean you don't know isn't she one of your

Brian Atlasfriends yeah who she what's his name it's it's not one like the um I forgot his name one of the NOK boys whatever um are you in that Circle do you move in that Circle

Brian Atlasno okay so you're are you on any dating apps right now no are you are you is there any guy in the picture right now no to some it up

Yasminsingle and celibate you're celibate until I meet the right person yeah until you meet the right person or until marriage until I meet my husband that I will marry okay but so you're not

Yasminwaiting until marriage to have sex I mean I don't know I haven't decided that yet but I'm not going to like

Yasminbe intimate dating if that makes sense until I'm with someone that I want to be with okay but you're not necessarily waiting until marriage but you want to right you don't want to just sleep with the guy on the first date type thing

Brian Atlasexactly but so there's zero guys in the picture mhm zero zero nothing nothing wa can I ask a question sure

Rachelokay so like since it sounds like there have been guys in the past is this like more like a new Choice type type thing like you got to like save some of that love for someone that's like really

Yasminworth it well the people in the past have been like long-term

Brian Atlasrelationships okay fair fair word uh okay so when's the last time you've been on a date like a couple

Yasminmonths ago yeah wait are you have you had sex before you virgin well I've been in long-term

Brian Atlasrelationships before okay so not a virgin no that's fine I'm

Brian Atlasjust just just curious okay yeah all right

BeccaBecca um yeah so I've been single for over a year last like real date I went on was yesterday no um can you make that

Beccanoise again please no um was back back in June of this year June last date was it just the first date and then that was it we went on

Beccathree dates three dat when was the last date um was it June last date was July like mid July yeah and then haven't been

Brian Atlason like an official date since then an official date what about unofficial dates um any sneaky links yeah H yeah what's this what do

Beccayou mean by a sneaky link um like someone you hook up with basically yeah is that pretty recent yes pretty

Beccarecent not yesterday like two weeks ago two weeks ago mhm yes was it the three date guy no no

Beccait wasn't him it was just different different guy random dude not random previous sneaky links

Beccayes um so okay so I guess it is kind of a situationship but kind of

Beccaum it's new to me I I don't I've never dealt with like it's like it's with so it's with an old X and I've not I

Brian Atlasusually when I cut things off I cut it off so that's this is new for me oh so he he did you reach back out or did he

Beccareach back out he did word and then you took him back or kind of kind of trying to figure things out

Brian Atlasright now it's all very new so okay yep all right uh so are you going to try to pursue things with this

Brian Atlasprevious X or I mean you said it was two weeks ago you last on yeah um is it just

Brian Atlassex it's kind of like a I guess kind of like a friends with benefits thing thing oh this wasn't like the first time you guys got back together no

Brian Atlasso it's just been kind of infrequent hooking up type of thing okay yes good times good times good times are you happy with that

Beccascenario um it's less than ideal uh so I'm trying to right now put myself back out there and have options back out there get back out there get back out on

Brian Atlasthe horse have some options got to get back out there you got to you got to got uh Violet what about you is that your real that's not your real name though is it Violet no my real name is Elizabeth

Violetor Lizzie okay I'll keep calling you Violet go ahead um there's come on there's a guy in the picture right Violet you said you're single yes I'm

Violetsingle um until I'm ready to you know get serious on relationships then I'll start looking but right now I'm just single and having fun focusing on my

Madisoncareer when do you plan on getting serious 28 28 28 do you think that you would still be doing adult content by then or are you planning to quit that

Violetand then find a serious relationship right now I see like I'll probably always be doing adult content in some way but if I end up in a

Violetrelationship where that's not like you know if they are like hey stop doing that obviously I would quit okay

Brian Atlasso have you you've been doing content since you're 18 You're Now 23 at any point were you in a I mean it says you never had a boyfriend in that entire period of time but maybe you were dating a guy for a

Brian Atlasmonth two months three months have you had that no have you had sex with a civilian in the past six years yes oh okay but you

Violethaven't had even like a situationship type of thing I mean yeah I have people who I've hung out with for a long time and we trust translate what hang out means what does that mean um we're close

Violetlike we have a close relationship and some of those people help me with photography or some of my work and but you also you sleep with them too yes

Violetokay depending on like if I were to I'm wanting it to be for content and to get it on camera oh if you sleep with them you want it to be recorded yes oh okay I

Brian Atlassee okay cuz it's kind of it's kind of playing a fantasy for me like I like working the camera and I like when you're recording so a little bit of f

Brian Atlasthe fantasy is like a V is it Voyer not uh exhibitionist kind of

Brian Atlassexhibitionist okay you like to perform for the camera yes yeah okay got it uh

Brian Atlasso no relationships do do you think is it because you just haven't wanted a relationship or do you feel like the work that you've been doing has made it

Brian Atlasdifficult where where are you at on that yeah I just haven't had time to focus on a relationship okay so but you said at 28 that's when you want to settle down do you want to get

Brian Atlasmarried yes I want to get married and have kids have kids how many kids do you want to have I want four four do you think do you think it's going to be

Brian Atlasdifficult finding a husband uh because of the work you've done maybe I mean have you had any experiences with that like maybe you

Brian Atlaswere interested in the guy but he was maybe hesitant because he felt maybe uncomfortable that you had been engaged in making adult content no I actually haven't come

Violetacross that which is strange you haven't no I haven't everyone is very even like I'll come out of church sometimes cuz I go to church with my grandma and like I have people coming out of church like

Violetcan I get a picture with you you know and so it's Church yeah it's interesting like you really see like different sides

Violetof people when you're kind of in sex work so you're what kind of church is we're I'm allow at church guys I'm

Brian Atlasallowed to be there it's not doesn't just burn down when you st I promise uh so you go to church and the church male church goers come up to to you and

Brian Atlasthey're like yo what's up Violet I beat it I go to a Catholic church so you know Catholic you go to this shit's happening in a

VioletCatholic Church Holy wouldn't you like expect it more than like a Christian Church than a Catholic I don't wouldn't expect it at all to be honest at any

Brian Atlaschurch I feel like Catholics are pretty strict um you know yeah they're very are you Catholic you're Catholic yes I grew

Violetup Catholic um I moved away from my religion when I started doing this chur back around to it oh you've come back yes yeah recently kind of come back

Violetaround to how recently um a couple of years ago when I just was going through some things and I found my way back to God and yeah have you done a confession

Brian Atlasoh yes I have done confession I did one a few months ago what did you say are you at Liberty to share your confession no I'm not comfortable saying here I'll

Brian Atlasjust turn this way pretend that I'm the what is it the no I face him he faces me so oh they yeah usually there's like a booth and there's like this kind of semi

Brian Atlassee-through screen okay um a little more comfortable when you're facing them though awkward so but you're Catholic and you

Violetgo to church like you're practicing right I go with my grandma I'm not like fullon Catholic or obviously like look at my lifestyle I'm not a full-on Catholic I go with my grandma and um I

Violetyou know I pray I have a relationship with God but I'm not like a full on practicing Catholic does your grandma know that you do adult content she knows my whole family knows and we don't really talk about it you don't talk

Brian Atlasabout it are you on good terms with your family yes love my family okay and you go to Catholic church with your grandma um does she like does she like

Brian AtlasElizabeth you need to stop your fering whoring ways does she say that to you no no she doesn't okay how does she react to when you guys are at church and

Violetthese people approach you asking for pictures like does she um it's usually when I'm like not with her I'm like doing something by myself it's no she knows that like people know me though my

Violeteveryone in my family like know that people are going to come up to me and be like oh I know you and call me by a different name but they all support me

Brian Atlasand I appreciate that because yeah what is I have a question what is your faith calling you to do when it comes to your

Violetcareer my faith calling me to do when it is it calling you to stop doing adult content um I think it's just telling me to do the best I can with what I have is

Brian Atlasis that what God is telling you to do are you a Christian or a Catholic I'm a I'm a man of God let's just say but like I just how I'm having difficulty

Brian Atlasand perhaps you can help me with this reconciling being Catholic but also doing adult content um I just think we're in a

Violetbroken world and I was kind of born into that and I you were born into what we were all born into into a world of just like of sin of sin of you know media

Violetselling like sex and I think I'm just kind of a product of that so what do you mean you're a product of it like you were forced to do this no I'm just a

Violetproduct of my surroundings as I grew up and I where where did you grow up Texas Texas but you can say that a lot of

Violetpeople were raised on Hollywood and media because we were throwing screens in front of our faces and I think that like that influenced me a lot as a kid

Brian Atlasmhm and so you're not wrong you're not wrong that there's like a societal uh impact push

Brian Atlasto uh but uh okay all right good times did you have more what was your question exactly well you said you're Catholic right so I'm

Brian Atlasthinking it's probably looked down upon within the faith to be engaged in sex work so how do you reconcile I don't expect

Violetany Christian or Catholic to associate with me um but doing sex work yeah I mean I think we all have our you know

Rachelthings we do you're a good business woman I see it as like the equivalent of being like a drug dealer or something also like look at Kim Kardash aan like

Violetwhere do you think her Fame came from yeah she did she did a sex tape yeah do do you think that that's something people should engage in in order to I'm not telling anyone oh you should live

Brian Atlaslike me but it's just what's been working for me and sure uh quick question on your work uh my understanding is I mean you acred 13 million followers on your Instagram

Brian Atlassounds to me like you were insanely successful um can you tell us a little a little bit about uh maybe we can uh well

Violetwe have a bit of time how much how much do you say you you made in the six years you've been doing adult content um seven

Violetfigures yeah we could say wait yeah I would say seven figures and that's probably as much as I'd go into were you making seven figures a

Brian Atlasyear I'm not really comfortable saying how much I've made how about have you in any year did you ever make seven figures yes

Brian AtlasBrian okay Violet um what about you what about me well how much did you make much how much did I make doing only fans no on your content creating podcast uh is

Brian Atlasthat you well I think it's an interesting question ask someone who's involved in your kind of work because you hear these reports of people making up like insane amounts of money like Millions ions of dollars I mean some of

Brian Atlasthe outliers I know most women probably are not actually making that much money doing only fans but I I think you're an outlier probably so you hear these stories of women who make six figures a

Brian Atlasmonth some seven figures a month bad baby made 40 million in her first month or or first year right something like that yeah that's crazy uh you hear other stories of women making millions of dollars a year so I think that's why

Brian Atlasit's kind of just an interesting question to to ask but um okay so interesting okay um question for you guys do you guys think that hold on

Brian Atlaslet me just double check here oh okay do you guys think that H kind of related to her thing would you prefer to data guy who doesn't watch porn or watches porn

Brian Atlasor do you just not care like you wouldn't care is there a man that doesn't watch porn yeah there's probably I mean there's probably degrees to it too there's guys who will watch it occasionally and then there's guys who

Rachelare heavily ad addicted to it so I mean honestly I see it as like it doesn't really matter all that much like I wouldn't think about it like I watch

Rachelpornography like there's nothing wrong with like watching porn okay yeah um no porn I would prefer a man who does not

Beccawatch porn uh it depends on how much he watches I guess average amount I guess

Beccatwo times a week let's say two or three times a week then I think that's that's fine I

Madisoncan work with that Violet what about you yes in moderation Okay Madison probably prefer a man that doesn't watch porn

Madisonbecause I feel like it just changes the way that they view sex perceive it and how they um like what they expect out of

Brian Atlassex in general okay uh do you so kind of related to that because we've definitely heard things from a lot of women who've

Brian Atlasbeen on the show before about how porn can they think it kind of changes how if you a guy might view sex like Madison just said or how they expectations of

Brian Atlaswomen or whatever or they're just can have an impact on sexual function but more broadly speaking do you guys think that men are more feminine now than in days

Rachelpast that's an extremely like difficult question cuz I feel like um over like the last like couple years since being in college um a lot of the men that I

Rachelfound myself with I would say potentially might have like estro or not estrogen problems but like testosterone issues I don't know okay if

Rachelthat makes sense so I don't know what you mean by feminine like that kind of feminine like biologically feminine or like act

Brian Atlasfeminine I mean kind of both I guess you could say but probably you like what I like Fruity boys like you like Fruity

Brian Atlasmen yes okay yes I do okay uh okay what about you um I do do you think men are more feminine now than

Brian Atlasdays past yeah okay 1 million per yes they're more feminine now weren before the show you were saying guys are no longer what masculine what's the other

Brian Atlasword you used beta they're more beta now they're not they're not Alpha anymore yeah Al well and we can get into that a little later what about

Beccayou I think men are expressing more of their feminine side now I not

Madisonsure I guess that would make them more feminine so okay yeah Violet yes Madison I guess I would say

Madisonmen are given the capacity to be more vulnerable and sensitive which I feel like does tie to

Brian Atlasfemininity and some sort of way so yeah okay now do you guys prefer masculine men or feminine men I feel like also oh sorry no go ahead go ahead I feel like

Rachelsaying masculine over feminine is like not necessarily the proper term I like to say people that are more human beings like just like acting like a human less

Rachellike a gender role that literally made no sense what you said you know it makes sense in my head you know it's like sometimes you meet someone and they're like trying to be like super barley and

Racheltough or they're trying to act like a Barbie but it's like if you're just like a human being like for example men have like a higher suicide rate than like females do

Rachelsay delete just say delete themselves go ahead okay sorry just go ahead sorry um but like I don't know I know like because of gender norms and stuff like

Rachelmen get very isolated in their emotions and stuff and I think now that we're in like a more accepting Society cuz like females have always had Outlets like

Rachelbetter socialization so I feel like it's what you're calling feminine is more just more humanness so you're saying masculine men

Rachelare inhuman and feminine men are human no I would say there are feminine and masculine men but I would say

Madisonlike masculinity masculinity femin is that men are since they're they're more accepted or whatever they're allowed to be more emotional mhm AKA human yes and

Brian AtlasI feel like that's what she's trying to say yes okay okay um but so the question is though do you prefer masculine men or

Brian Atlasfeminine men because just earlier you said you prefer what is it girly guy I forgot what you said Fruity Fruity men so you prefer like if you had a choice

Brian Atlasbetween a masculine guy and a more feminine guy which do you

Rachelprefer can we just like come back to this but you you almost already answered well like with the fruity boys it's like it doesn't necessarily mean they're not masculine it just means they like you

Brian Atlasknow so they're wearing a dress but and they're talking with a sort of a fet manner and then also like pearls look hot on a man just saying like that's a

Brian Atlasgood look wait girl girls look hot on a men no no no pearls pearls yeah and some people would be like a that's like like earrings yeah necklaces a pearl necklace

Arielon a dude yes okay all right teach their own I guess them a little more feminine okay masculine you prefer masculine then what

Madisonabout you definitely masculine masculine yeah masculine with a beard 100%

Brian Atlasmasculine don't do that okay um Madison what about you I said 100% masculine okay um all right what do you guys last

Brian Atlasquestion on this one what do you think about masculinity good neutral bad what do you think about masculinity it's good start with you

Rachelwe'll go around you know what you had a very like yes this is what I like um she's she's speaking to like

Rachelgoad I mean it depends on I would say I'm not necessarily a fan of masculinity I feel like

Rachelwell like I mean there's there's levels of it like I would say in moderation is that a good masculinity and moderation yes you're not a fan of

Rachelmasculinity what does that mean what do you mean by that I mean like I'm going to be all barley or like barley and

Rachelstuff like drinking beers to feel like a man is that is that what masculine is well not like necessarily that but

RachelI I don't know besides the beard chugging thing is there any that you I don't know I feel like like there's toxic masculinity and I feel like that's usually when I look

Rachelat a person I'm like okay that like the masculinity is showing you know that's why I'm like in moderation wait so you're saying when masculinity is apparent or showing that equals toxic

Rachelmasculinity no it's just sometimes it's like a little excessive and that's usually when I like notice it what is excessive

Rachelmasculinity you know like can we just like loop around no we got it keep going we got you we got you keep going um I don't know it's just like you know like oh I need this like

Rachelbig old car it's like okay you're compensating for something compensating for what a lot of things I can tell you that much go go ahead List It List It List it I mean probably like their low

Brian Atlasself-esteem and maybe they're tiny dicks can I say that sure okay tiny dicks so men who want nice cars have tiny dicks is no not

Rachelnecessarily it's it's mostly that's what I mean like in moderation it's like everyone wants a nice car but it's like how you how you write it how you do it you

Brian Atlasknow so do women who want nice cars do they have loose no they got taste there oh so it's only it's only bad when men

Rachelit's only bad if men have a desire for material Goods no oh no it's um like I said like it's how you how you write it

Rachelso it's like when a man is like trying so hard to seem like a dude that's say it's like an ego thing yeah like it's like ego it's like it's the same with

Rachellike the beers it's like I know a lot of guys that like beers like chugging beers yeah cuz like I know a lot of guys that like will drink a lot of beer or will only drink beer around other men because

Brian Atlasthey want to look like a man I actually think on the beer thing really quick not that it's entire super related to dating but uh gentlemen beer has hops and that will produce uh I believe that'll

Brian Atlasproduce estrogen in you so don't drink beer um if you're going to be a man I don't drink at all I don't know don't drink beer it has hops in it it I think it it the

Brian Atlasbyproduct of that will produce estrogen in you go ahead with well you're saying teeny dicks toxic masculinity which I by the way I don't believe there is toxic

Rachelmasculinity okay that's a very hot take that there's not toxic masculinity yeah I feel like most people would 100% disagree with that I don't believe I

Brian Atlasdon't believe that there's we need to attach gender to toxicity I think people are just toxic I don't think we need to like oh

Brian Atlaslike is there toxic femininity yes okay yeah potentially yes can't there just be can't you just say toxic it's just such a loaded word that I feel like you might mean it some way

Brian Atlasbut people are going to take it in a way that it's just a blanket attack on masculinity can I like like masculinity is inherently toxic you know well it's not inherently toxic again but when you

Rachelsay toxic masculinity without clarification I think people people are going to assume she means all masculinity is toxic well I could go into like biopsychology right now and

Rachellike SP out statistics but last time that got bleep so I'm going to like can I Hot Potato this like you said you like masculinity we we can come yeah we'll

Yasmincome back to it go ahead yeah um all for masculine men okay uh what about you yes for masculinity I think that's what's

Brian Atlasmissing this world right now and it's much needed okay Becca is that short for Rebecca it is makes sense okay y um what do you think

Beccaof masculinity I think um

Beccamasculinity needs to be yeah needs to be expressed just as much as femininity and I think masculinity can include um the

Beccatraits that maybe aren't typically associated with masculinity like vulnerability and emotionality okay we'll come back we'll

Brian Atlascome back to the vulnerability topic later um Violet what about you yes necessary necessary Okay

MadisonMadison I think masculinity is great I think men were born to be masculine for a reason but I do feel like the term and the definition masculinity has been so

Madisonso deformed nowadays like you were like giving out examples like drinking beer makes a man and things like that like that's definitely not what true masculinity means as in like being a

Madisonprotector being a provider so I feel like that really takes away the man and Men which is why it's so like it's not it's not real anymore that was

Brian Atlasbeautiful that was beautiful Madison thank you well I'm I mean I'm definitely concerned about the ongoing feminization of men there's a BL blatant

Brian Atlasattack I think on masculinity and there there is a rapid decline in testosterone levels and I think it definitely serves our government corporate overlords to

Brian Atlashave a bunch of weak and feminine men they're way easier to control um and I do think our our environment it's filled with like estrogenic chemicals Plastics

Brian Atlasjunk food uh we have live VAR s AR Lifestyles I'm and I fall into it too um but I think the media like in its quest

Brian Atlasto reshape Society loves to just demonize normal masculine men labeling them as toxic as she said toxic masculinity um and we can we can

Brian Atlascertainly have a discussion on that um and uh let's see it's uh yeah I mean the testosterone level's been declining for decades I guess they tracking it somehow

Brian Atlassperm count and strength in men like also decreasing exponentially and apparently I think I'm I'm like probably 90% of this next statistics there's a

Brian Atlasstriking reduction in grip strength among young men look at these dainty gamer hands it's all my fault um I'm probably the blame for that um so

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Rachelyou said you wanted for us to come back to you okay well going around the table I have like now some more thoughts also like with your little promotional thing I would ask men to please take those

Rachelinstead of a legal testosterone that's not prescribed because that can cause heart failure um just a side note know but like for example I know some men

Rachelwould do that out of trying to be more manly I think that's what I mean by toxic masculinity is like like you were saying it's like masculinity is like a

Rachelnatural thing but how it's like now defined is changed and I think it's like more when men are overly trying hard to

Rachelbe more of a man like you shouldn't have to try to be a man you should just either you should just be you you just

Brian Atlasbe you yes okay yeah uh okay um let me ask so okay I hear this term

Brian Atlasall the time toxic masculinity right I I rarely ever hear discussions of toxic femininity although you admit it is a thing although I never hear it in the

Brian Atlasdiscourse when people say toxic masculinity doesn't mean masculinity is toxic if if you could separate the

Brian Atlastoxicity from masculinity what would be left that's not a gender neutral trait being

Brian Atlaskind wait what wait what's not a gender neutral trait wait I saw what was a gender neutral so this is the so like my my position is that I don't believe in the term toxic femininity I don't

Brian Atlasbelieve the term toxic masculinity I think people can just be toxic regardless of your gender and I don't think it's particularly helpful to use these terms because I think it tends to

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