She Is "Single" But STILL Hooks Up With Her TOXIC Ex?! | Dating Talk #96

Date: 2023-09-04

Duration: 4h 40m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKiki (co-host DT126)>

EElizabeth (DT96)>

MMorgan (DT143)>

MMadison (SBCC)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Elizabeth(guest)

SPEAKER_04Amber(guest)

SPEAKER_05Ali Boba(guest)

SPEAKER_06Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_07Morgan(guest)

SPEAKER_08Dr Sydney Watson(host)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

Key Moments

RelationshipElizabeth reveals she considers herself in a committed relationship with a German TikToker (~12M followers) she has never met in person or spoken to by phone after 2 months of communicating only via Instagram stories.

“I call it that because trust... we're both so busy”

ControversyAmber reveals her toxic ex-boyfriend (33yo) drove her to the show and she has been hanging out with him twice a week despite claiming to be 'single' for 2 months.

“he drove me here... twice a week”

Key MomentAli reveals her ex-boyfriend from her 3-year relationship (age 18-21) turned out to be gay/bisexual.

“he actually ended up being gay”

QuoteBrian asks Amber what she did wrong in the relationship; she says she was too clingy and gave the 33yo ex rent-free housing for 3 months at age 21 while he saved for a car.

“I told him to live with me for three months rent free”

OtherViewer poll: 66% voted that Amber will get back together with her toxic ex (804 total votes).

“yes 66... 34 no”

Key MomentAli describes discovering male sex toys (butt plug, male lingerie) in ex's drawer and then hacking his Snapchat to find photos of other men, confirming his homosexuality.

“I saw a bunch of sex toys... a butt plug in there... male lingerie”

Key MomentMadison shares that her father appeared on a prior Whatever podcast episode and they are no longer on speaking terms after the episode aired.

“after the show went out we didn't really appreciate kind of the things that each of us shared so we're not really on talking terms anymore”

QuoteAli states her traditional values: once she becomes a wife, her husband is her leader, she will wake at 4am to make him breakfast, handle all household/childcare duties.

“as soon as I become a wife I am my husband is my leader... if he's getting up in the morning to go to work I'm getting up at 4am to make sure he has a hot breakfast”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship statuses

Brian introduces guests. Ali: single by choice, LA streamer. Elizabeth: single 24 years, messaging online-only German TikToker 'boyfriend'. Amber: 'single' 2 months, still seeing toxic ex. Morgan: purposefully single, focusing on God. Madison: in 1-year relationship with Frankie.

Therapy, mental health, religion vs. therapy

Amber goes to therapy; finds it helpful for addressing toxic relationship patterns linked to father's alcoholism. Morgan is anti-therapy; prefers biblical counsel. Group debates whether therapy prescribes too many medications and what generational mental health decline looks like.

Elizabeth's online-only 'relationship' with German TikToker

Elizabeth considers herself in a relationship with a ~12M-follower German TikToker she has never met, spoken to by phone, or FaceTimed. Communicated only via Instagram stories for 2 months. Brian is skeptical the TikToker is loyal; Elizabeth won't accept the suggestion.

Amber's toxic on-and-off relationship

Amber (22) has been 'single' 2 months but hangs out with her 33yo toxic ex twice a week. Ex moved in rent-free, broke her phone, threw makeup out window, used verbal abuse. Ex drove her to the show. Brian and panel discuss trauma bonding, addiction metaphor, and why she won't cut contact. Poll: 66% of chat thinks she gets back with him.

Ali's 3-year relationship with gay/bisexual ex

Ali dated a man age 18-21 who turned out to be gay/bisexual. Discovered male sex toys (butt plug, male lingerie). Confirmed by hacking his Snapchat while he was at work — found photos of other men. He came out after they broke up. She was blindsided but grateful for the lesson.

Penis size and sexual compatibility

Amber raises question of penis size mattering in marriage if saving yourself. Morgan argues intimacy can be learned together. Brian says body count and experience can be parallel — both can require learning. Group mostly agrees size is secondary to emotional connection.

Age gaps in dating

Discussion on acceptable age gaps. Madison: up to 5 years older. Morgan: up to 4 years older (28 max). Elizabeth: prefers within 5 years. Ali: prefers slightly older once emotionally ready to settle. Brian jokes about passport bros and dating younger women.

Hookup culture, waiting to have sex, body count

Morgan argues women should hold out as long as possible; saving yourself for marriage is ideal. Madison: hooked up with Frankie the first time they hung out alone. Ali: requires mutual exclusivity before sex; never had a one-night stand; body count 6. Elizabeth: virgin. Amber: waited 4th-5th date. Brian: prefers continuity over one-night stands but ok with ~3rd date.

Traditional values and marriage

Ali describes traditional values: husband as head of household, wife manages home/children, wakes at 4am to make breakfast. Morgan agrees: dating intentionally for marriage, engaged in 1-1.5 years. Brian jokes about becoming a monk (celibate). Discussion on sex within marriage and sexual compatibility.

Self-ratings round

Ali: 10/10 ('Latina Queen'). Elizabeth: 7/10. Brian: 8/10. Dr Sydney Watson: 10/10. Amber and Morgan declined to give number on air.

Immigration debate

Brief end-of-show discussion on illegal immigration. Morgan (part Filipino) says come legally. Ali shares grandmother's story — forced into a brothel at 8 years old, immigrated to escape. Brian jokes about dating illegal immigrants for citizenship. Tabled for a future episode.

Male friends and female friend groups

Brian argues most male 'friends' of women want to sleep with them. Amber has male friend Dylan who was watching the show. Morgan says boundaries are key in mixed friendships. Elizabeth: grew up with older brothers, easier to friend-zone men.

Body count reveal

Ali: 6. Elizabeth: 0 (virgin). Amber: 3. Morgan: declined to share. Madison: implied low. Sydney Watson (co-host) drew laughs with a high implied count. Brian: did not share.

Transcript

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Ali Bobasituations yeah and it was one of those things where I honestly was just I'm gonna be honest I was delusional I was so just because like he would feed me certain things and it was like the whole he was insecure to be with me because of

Ali Bobawhat one would I do for work it didn't like that and two he didn't like that I was like super in the gym and he wasn't what do you what do you do for work again um I stream on I'm a video game I stream Call of Duty he

Ali Bobadidn't like that no why he wasn't supportive he wasn't supportive I'm gonna be honest with you most of my friends are male I game with mostly I

Ali Bobahave a couple girlfriends again oh my online only I swear sure yeah sure and we literally just came together and like I think he also I'm gonna be honest

Ali Bobawith you like on Twitch your mic oh it's blocking yeah we just don't want your face blocked too much yeah that's that's good perfect um so if you know I'm sure you know streaming most of your income comes from donations and whatever and most of my donations are for males and I think he

Brian Atlashad a problem with that I think can you you need to suit your mic like scoot it to the very end of the table Yeah like that perfect right there perfect perfect perfect um

Brian Atlasso okay he had an issue with the Twitch streaming but but you don't do only fans no patreon no okay yeah um so he had an issue with it and then yeah

Ali Bobawhich is crazy because I'm saying I don't do any of like the exclusive content that most people do so I was like I feel like I'm PG if anything compared to what other people do these days so right but that was like the main thing and then I finally told them I was

Ali Bobalike look I'm gonna be honest with you this has been a year long of off and on and if I moved back to LA I haven't seen him like I've only seen him like twice

Brian Atlassince I was here yo fdg thank you for the uh gifted 50 membership so you moved back to LA yeah are you so you're living in L.A now I'm born and

Ali Bobaraised from LA but during the pandemic I moved to San Diego okay okay um so you're you've been single since April yeah but I also like I wasn't intimate

Brian Atlaswith him so again it was me kind of it was a one-sided relationship I'm gonna be honest with you one-sided how because I'm sure in his head I'm I'm almost positive have you scoot your mic no no not you scooting your mic that way it's

Ali Bobajust kind of blocking your face a little bit no problem perfect that's perfect perfect yeah um but I feel like it was one-sided just because like I said I literally ended things and three weeks later I saw he was posting

Ali Bobaanother girl already and like they're in a relationship like they're in a football relationship she lives all the way up North and he lives out here and he flies her out and when he used to tell me like yeah hours too far and

Brian Atlashours too far Wait So when you say it's one-sided it was one-sided on my end like so you were giving more or he was giving she was giving me okay okay got it um but you you said you were never

Ali Bobaintimate you guys never had hooked up we were in the beginning when we when we um like the first six months of the situationship he would come see me um every now and then

Ali Bobano no we would literally go on dates and we would go to like we would go to like no boo we would go you know to like just little stuff like that like and it was like it wasn't it was very nice you know I'm available

SPEAKER_00did you find out ux was gay were there any obvious signs you missed but you realized after in hindsight oh yeah do you want to answer it I would love to yeah yeah

Ali Bobaso he he started so like I said we weren't really I'm gonna be honest like I'm not a sexual person when I was younger I was like you know I was in my first relationship and it wasn't you know it was just like a typical like you know I

Ali Bobadidn't know any better and when we first moved in together we only lived together for a year I was cleaning his laundry and I opened one of his drawers and I saw a bunch of sex toys and I was like

Ali Bobaokay seriously one we don't use them and two yes there was a butt plug in there that's awesome I swear full-on like male lingerie everything and I asked him about it I

Ali Bobaconfronted him and I was like male lingerie like a jockstrap like a yeah like velvet I don't I was like whoa like my mind was blown and keep in mind I was probably like 20 at this time so I was just like what is this like so then

Ali Bobayou asked him and I asked him and he says oh I just I have like a dark side of me like I like to be a little freaky and I was scared to ask you like he was just like scared to almost like at like I I thought in my mind he was scared to ask me to do like things in the bedroom

Morganthat we weren't normally doing how long were we all together at that point um two years and we slept together a year into our relationship so we waited yes we waited a year moved in together found this two years later

Ali Bobayep no man that okay wow sounds like a lot of work yeah and then here yeah the the first yeah first year we were younger the first boyfriend yeah I was 18. were you a virgin I was oh I

Brian Atlasmean that makes sense a Year's kind of long enough

Morganwhat about you Morgan like how long did you wait well like in the past depends but now I'll wait two years three years when there's a ring

Brian Atlasright but in the past I'm talking in the past I'm all for you there were hookups so that's fine in the past in the past but you've you've but she has you're walking her walking with

MorganGod yeah but in the past she wants to come with a new identity right you want like I mean I think the year should be bare minimum honestly like even if you're not saving yourself for marriage and you're dating intentionally you're dating whatever a

Morganyear I think a solid three dates three three days three dates and you expect a girl to put out for you oh

Morganwait why does it have to be the girl has to put out for me shouldn't it I'm putting out for her but you said you're not paying for the first date so you say you're not gonna pay for dates and then you expect for her to sleep with you on

Brian Atlasa third date wait what does me paying for the date or not paying for the date it just has to do with the right it has to do with a mutually beneficial sexual encounter

Morganno because you no it's not mutually beneficial actually because it's harming the woman emotionally because we talk about it

Brian Atlasdisavow disavow and erroneous erroneous erroneous I still love you Morgan but um not not like in a romantic yeah but like you know okay but here's the thing if you're not gonna marry that woman

Morganokay then she's now going off to her next relationship with another body is she not after three dates she she slept with the guy when I okay I've said this

Brian Atlasbefore on shows but my goal not my goal but if I sleep with a girl I'm not interested in the one night stand I'm not interested in sleeping with a girl just once and never talking to her again so if I sleep with girl my intention is

Brian Atlasfor there to be a continuity and for me to continue seeing her so my goal isn't just sleep with a girl but why three days why three dates yeah okay you've spent three one hour dates with her you know her for three years I

Madisondon't have any qualms like I I I think that's I mean we can do it sooner even we could do the first day we could do the second day oh man third date my current boyfriend I I actually hooked up with this the very first time we hung

Madisonout alone I will say like you know it can happen if if the man is invested I think okay oh well you have a different perspective like waiting till marriage so I feel

Morganlike well I mean some of my old relationships though did start you know with that yeah but I mean obviously they ended yeah I I in an ideal world like I 100 agree with you like yes would it be

Morganbest for people to like the first person they ever meet like yeah I mean it's very non like societally conventional anymore yeah

Brian Atlasyeah no and I I mean I think like having family that that's wonderful I all for that but I don't think you but you also don't want to get married don't want to get

Brian Atlasmarried right this is very very contradictory maybe like a strong independent Latina one might be able to convince me to marry her but like

Brian Atlasyou know like an AOC big booty latina like Miami does she have a big booty I mean allegedly she's stacked up here but I don't know about that there by the time Morgan this is kind of a Haram

Elizabethconversation to be having do you know who shoddy base I'm just I'm just I love shouting at you so Brian you know you don't plan on marriage or I mean Elizabeth you might be able to talk me into it but you got to take me on a couple dates do you know what a past

Brian Atlasthree days let's go to

Madisonyeah a lot of like not a lot of but a few men in my family have actually been past Pro passport pros and it's come out very successful for them like they found the

Elizabethwoman that they love they've built the family they've wanted to come to America that's kind of how you further your life that's true it's like with someone you

Elizabethtruly love and that's like your ride or die that's what I believe you know

Ali Bobabut like was that how you knew he was gay no so I found out because that was my first suspicion I thought he wanted to use it on the girl I don't do butt stuff that's like not for me that was a red

Morganflag why do you have a butt plug when you have a like when we don't do that that was the one first time did you believe him when he said like oh it's just like my dark side like you didn't further and I did but I undercover Loki

Ali Bobainvestigated so when he was at work this is like the snapshot days right and back then I had his laptop at the time and this is how I was able to hack onto his Snapchat I was being a little in toxica and I was like okay let me just go

Ali Bobathrough his stuff and I literally chance okay

Ali Bobaum but I literally went through his stuff and I like opened his email like I changed his email password because I had his laptop and his email was on there I was like perfect so I switched the email changed the password so he couldn't get in while he was at work if he saw I logged in logged in and I went to the

Madisonsaved category like because you know how you can save photos I saw yeah I'm sure you could guess what I saw I saw a lot of sticks oh my God but like

Brian AtlasI feel like he would have had to go on a step further to confirm do you think he is you know what I mean yeah well he dressed he was very Metro that's why we

Ali Bobagot along did he have the lisp no no no you know like the sort of effect yeah he kind of had the mannerisms a little bit like is that your type no definitely

Ali Bobadudes definitely not it was a face you dated him for three years I was so young that was my first like do you think he was dating you to like I was like oh yeah he's definitely his beard okay would you call Sugar we were the sugar

Ali Bobayou know because you were like in love with her I mean him um that was my first love but now that I'm older and like I've like dated and experienced other things I would say you're hiding behind

Brian Atlasthe mic again I think what would help is if you're talk to me I think it'll help okay yeah that's better is it good yeah but scoot it closer towards you and Scoot it this way like that yeah perfect I'm sorry what was I saying again truly lost were

Ali Bobayou in love oh yeah so that was definitely like my first love experience but I've definitely been in like love before after that and it was it was more of like you know I've experienced love if that makes sense but I couldn't I'm honestly like now that I think about it

Ali BobaI probably can say I've never really been in love with somebody like that like deeply like to where we're spiritually I'm like both sides right because you you said you were blindsided very blindsided and I'm not gonna let it

Ali Bobame up a lot I was very uh like cautious especially now that he's dating like so like shortly after you guys ended things I literally blew up on him I kicked all the out of the house and like that was it and then did

Ali Bobahe admit wait he did you kicked like you threw his out of the house oh yeah I was sobbing like on the floor and my mom and my my best friends at the time just came and got all trash bags got all trash bags and just a bunch of

Ali Bobastuff to like just like get everything out as fast as possible because I was literally like sobbing like it was it was where you guys were living together I think that's you're really wait was he paying rent or he was paying rent to you

Ali Bobato um well to yeah but like it was a mutual place was it the one bedroom place was it one bedroom yeah one bedroom at that time it was like you were both

Ali Bobaon the lease yeah oh you were on the lease together yep okay yeah were you the primary were you the master tenant um I don't know at that time I think it was like a sublease like I was just on

Ali Bobathe lease like it was just what yeah did you moved it did you move into his place I did like we put it in together like to his but he was living there before you yes and you moved in and you threw all his out oh yeah I did

Ali BobaI was providing the home for him to come to home to he's working like all the time and I provided I'm providing that home but he was paying the rent right yeah when you were sleeping with him was he sleeping with other guys no thank God

Ali Bobaokay he wasn't he didn't come out yet he actually didn't really hook up with guys until it was just after I at least he was able to come out so do you think he was ever going to tell you if you didn't

Brian Atlasfind out probably not wait what prompted so you okay the throwing his out of the house your shared apartment it was prompted by the fact that you found out he was gay correct yes

Ali Bobaand what was the like moment you was at the the internet thing when you I saw videos and conversations of him like sending dick pictures of other gay guys

Morgansending pictures cheating yeah maybe it was bi that's what we think like yeah me and my mom when I was a little person here

Morganhow long was he sending you know nude images to other men and like you know emotionally and I mean at that point it's basically physically cheating yeah yeah I never really honestly looked like I was just so done and also embarrassed

Ali Bobathat's why I was very embarrassed question would it would it have been better if it was women um definitely not no I think I think I think I think it

Ali Bobawould have been honestly I don't know I mean it's kind of yeah it can be I think cheating's cheating like regardless did it hurt more honestly that it was a guy yes and no because it's like also too like I can't change you I'm not gonna be the

Elizabethone to change you you know what I'm saying so it's just more confusing mentally yeah do you think you wasted your time you learned because you should learn you and I learned anything from this yeah and that's why when I hear your story I'm like because like I was

Ali Bobalike you know you learned so much from relationships what what Elizabeth what oh what I thought you were looking at me in a certain type of way no it wasn't oh okay what do you think don't worry about it never mind okay it's all

Ali Bobagood but I mean moral of the thing is like I mean it's just like it definitely Built Me it changed me was it shitty at this at the situation at point in time yes but I'm so grateful for it because I

Ali Bobadefinitely wouldn't be here if it was yeah you know

Morganeverything that happens and everything happens

Brian AtlasI do want to come back yeah so you waited a year to hook up with him you've been celibate since April from your one year situationship actually longer than

Ali Bobathat but yeah so you were dating wait when we were like kind of talking in the beginning it was like through the phone so it wasn't like like he came to see me a couple times when I moved back but we

Brian Atlasweren't intimate it was just to go on dates you were never intimate with the situationship that ended in April yeah wait so when's the last time you hooked up with the guy it's been a while

Ali Bobalike section celibate for how long I don't even make it celibate I just can't consider it like just saving my energy and just not you know saving your energy yeah I see sexual sexual interaction is so much energy being exchanged it is

Ali Bobalike that's why it drains you spiritually and physically yeah I I really think so I mean but that's the way I view sex some people can do it sex is draining for you

Elizabetheven with a partner I like to see sex as in I said a special intimate moment with your person you're a partner right or your parents watching is that why you're saying this your parents are watching no this is what I

Morganbelieve I don't care my parents watch or not it's just what I person what this is what I believe yeah okay I mean you're physically giving a part of you emotionally physically to that other

Brian Atlasperson yeah yeah you're tied to that person

Brian Atlasdon't believe what can I go get my glasses no you must remain blind for the remainder of the year

Amberwait are you don't what are you trying to read the there's nothing no I just like I can't like it really hurts to like see you what's your correction level you got contacts what's up no I have glasses you don't have contacts no because

Brian Atlasum it got messed up like I put them on and they were blurry I guess they got me the wrong prescription I actually prefer people viewing me in like a semi-blurry

Brian Atlasstage because then you look like a 10. I got a little acne occasionally yeah

Brian Atlasso like it's almost like you got beer goggles on right now so you're just like wow okay Brian you're right it's okay you're a 15 out of 10. you're fine okay yeah that's how math works but um

Brian Atlasoh God oh gosh Okay so you've been celibate for a minute Yeah by choice the last guy you were with you say you

Ali Bobawant you wait how long I'm gonna be honest with you because like after hearing your thing like I said if the vibe is there it's there but I I'm gonna I haven't had a guy where the Vibes there you've never had them no I've never had the vice

Ali Bobathese days there's no Vibes The Vibes are gone it's terrible it's just all about like I feel like also too guys just like Target like girls that look a certain way I feel like because they just want to date you because you're hot

Brian Atlasthat's true or just I wouldn't date you because you're hot I would date you for how kind you are for your home it should be the inside

Brian Atlasyour sick gaming montages and skills I would date you for all the

Brian Atlasthings you bring to me that are definitely not of a physical or sexual nature the truth is like God doesn't actually care about that you're lying I know I almost believed

Elizabethyou there for a second if he's immature and doesn't know what's going on then it's different but God doesn't care about a girl's accolades okay based Morgan

MorganI totally agree with that he doesn't a guy would marry if if there was a server like at a restaurant no no hate to servers if you're a restaurant server but if a woman is a server at a restaurant and this guy is like some

Morganmulti-millionaire but she's loyal to him and wants to be with him and like will do anything be a housewife whatever he wants he will marry her more than you know another woman that has millions of

Morgandollars and you know a PhD from Colombia a guy doesn't care unless you do only fans yes that's true we do only I did actually ask a bunch of college guys I said Arizona State University last week I said would you date a girl with an

Morganonly fans and I would say it was about 80 percent of guys said no but the ones that said yes were very much low value men like they were high value men they were yeah there was this one guy in particular that told me he would actually show her off and I was like so

Morganyou would be okay with your potential girlfriend selling her body on the internet for other men and you would show her off because you think she's like a trophy and I was but that again like that doesn't make him a high value

Morganman that is just gross right he would be okay with showing her off yeah like there was a guy that like wanted to have date a girl what date a girl with an only fan because it makes him look

Brian Atlascool he would ask his girlfriend's boyfriend's permission yeah to sh Show his girl off his girl off

Morgangood times good times yeah moral story is like you know you said guys don't care about really what do girls have I know but I'm just saying jokey you know but uh

Brian Atlasyou know all right good times I don't know where we were going with that yeah where are we going we were somewhere we're talking about the vibe Vibes Vibes oh I saw on your I don't know if it was

Ali Bobayour Instagram or maybe your Kik you describe yourself as toxica what is that oh my God so that's like my that's like my new name that's my yeah I like it thank you that's like my brand so

Ali Bobahonestly like when I play video games I turn into a different person I'm like I'm honestly I'm not gonna I'm pretty good at video games pretty good I am okay I'm a demon and I get a little

Ali Bobapassionate when I'm playing so I scream curse a little I rage

Brian Atlasare you toxic in relationships

Brian AtlasBrian you think every Mexican girl is talking yeah is it what is it because [Music] your kick ER was it your Instagram she

Amberplays games but that's it huh you didn't answer my question what was your question do you think like every Latino is toxic okay no

Brian Atlasno I don't think so but I mean is there is a stereotype right there is yeah like this fiery Latino yeah you know I think it's more of a passionate I'm a passionate lover I

Brian Atlasthink I don't believe there's like something innately in Latino like I think that's just like

Brian Atlascope to justify shitty Behavior yeah like oh well you should just deal with my shitty Behavior because I happen to be Latina no shut the up anybody can be toxic like we don't need that

Amberyeah yeah I actually agree with that when it comes to relationship stuff yeah I think it's all about culture as well like where you come from like your culture is very different like you know yeah

Brian Atlasyeah okay um so wait hold on I got some notes Here we have okay let's talk about that really quick so you earlier you said and in

Brian Atlasyour pre-show notes to us you said you're traditional very very traditional uh you said old school values yes you say you said you come from a traditional family so I have very old school excuse

Brian Atlasme I have a very old school Jesus I can't speak right now I have a very old school view on dating and I feel like I'm one of the rare ones that are still like that yeah so a couple questions

Ali Bobaum what do you mean by rare ones or like the same I mean I'm gonna just say because social media is such a spectrum you know like it's you're seeing for what you see obviously it's not going to represent the entire world but from what

Ali BobaI'm seeing on social media I see girls that are promoting like and it's not even me being a hater it's just like the whole like for example like only fans thing or the whole like the I think feminism is actually a little bit toxic

Ali Bobain a sense because like feminism promotes that it's like feminism all of a sudden is like oh you show your hoo-ha cool you're feminine that's women's empowerment all of a sudden it's not empowerment it's completely more

Ali Bobadelusional and it gets me up but but it's true I just I think traditionally yeah I'm just a traditional girl like I believe like in what ways are you traditional um I personally believe like

Ali Bobaas soon as I become a wife I am my husband is my leader he is there to guide me in my family and I'm I agree 100. you just tilt the mic down towards you a little bit uh that was a little too much I think a

Ali Bobalittle less perfect okay go ahead your husband yeah so I think like again like once I find my husband he is my I'm pretty much indebted to him like I take care of the I take care of the kids I take care of him I make sure he's okay I make sure if

Ali Bobahe's getting up in the morning to go to work I'm getting up at 4am to make sure he has a hot breakfast and that's yeah that's what my mom did for my dad your wifey material what this is this is good quality because she's good and I just I

SPEAKER_02will marry her Elizabeth I would marry you girl wow okay

Ali Bobalike it's really it's rare wait what else keep keep the list going keep the list laundry done you want me to wash your toilet stains I'll do it but also too you better be providing for me when I need to make

Ali Bobasure like I'm not saying I want a Bentley I want Prada bags I just want to make sure that I'm comfortable and every single day I wake up knowing

Ali Bobathat I'm protected and safe yes Toyota minivan is that cool

Ali Bobayou know they're they're gonna be they're gonna be milking cows yes yeah homesteads are in right I just got canceled right there homemaking but it's okay you're good yeah so like um

Ali Bobabut I don't know I just feel like that's like the biggest thing for me okay but I don't know it's just like that's to me being traditional but also too it's like everybody wants that life and you say that but it's so much more

Ali Bobathan just being a housewife and being cute in your cute little Pilates outfit it's so much more than that because I've seen it like I said I saw my mom do it for us like and it's just I I would Thrive to be in a relationship like my

Elizabethparents would yeah save all my parents as well because I think upbringing is so important because you're kind of shaped by the way your parents raised you yeah

Amberthat's why the nuclear family and having an actual mother and a father in the household is super important because you're raising the Next Generation so basically my dad's an alcoholic he really uh we moved to apartment to

Amberapartment because my dad couldn't contain his financial like things and my mom was the one like always there for us like my dad really just was working came home and that really didn't have a relationship with us like a dad should um

Amberhe had more relationship like my sister that's why my sister's like a daddy's girl and then I'm more of like a mommy's girl because my mom was always there for me and my dad was just kind of like we you know I obviously I couldn't talk to him about like personal stuff or like

Amberwhat I'm you know what actually is going on with my life um it was on and off my mom left my dad for a couple months and then she came back with him and then she we moved and then we moved back and then we moved

Amberto Mexico for four years when I was in high school because we couldn't afford rent yeah kind of sounds like your current relationship see it goes back what I said before

Amberit goes back to what relationship your parents had when you were yes raised because you said that wasn't very important and that's what uh that you like kind of see your parents and that's

Elizabethkind of how you imagine a relationships it's kind of like what do you think this is what love should be like I feel like because your parents are like raising you you know they should look at fatherless homes and the women that are coming out of fatherless homes are most

Brian Atlaslikely you know gonna be on only fans are going to go into things because they didn't have an actual leader in the household showing them what was good but hold on so you're saying that you're you

Brian Atlasgrew up in the kind of toxic environment and that has been a blueprint a framework for your current relate relationships yeah uh perhaps even previous relationships perhaps it might

Brian Atlaseven be the case for your future relationships yeah but you are not beholden like if it's your but like I feel like you're using it

Brian Atlasyou're using it as justification to remain in your toxic relationship like well this is I just kind of have this ingrained in me and I guess I have

Brian Atlasto be in a toxic relationship because my parents had a Toxic Event but you are not you are not chained to the relationship Dynamics

Brian Atlasyes yeah cool turkey son cut this taper off I know this isn't the methadone clinic we're gonna start fresh this isn't a fence

Brian AtlasI'm gonna open up a extremely expensive in in Malibu uh a rehab facility for women in toxic relationships

Brian Atlasbut I need to taper off no we're putting you in there and then no contact with that guy we're gonna sing Kumbaya and I don't know what the they do in rehab I don't know I've never

Brian Atlasbeen there yeah I mean have you anybody here been to drug rehab or anything no Morgan no Morgan I'm kidding um uh okay so

Brian Atlaswait what okay I don't know traditional relations traditional relationships yeah okay so you're traditional yeah wait so okay and previously we're talking about like well in my past relationships I waited really long before sleeping with the guy so I'm gonna run the table on this

Ali Bobahow long do you think you should wait before hooking up with a guy I think if the vibe is there and you guys communicate that like I said before that you were both only with each other then we're good yeah

Ali Bobayeah same so if the live was there by the third date what is it with you on the third date I know it's okay I think that's a good I think so too though yeah it's getting more comfortable yeah fits for you that's

Elizabethfine well it could be the second date yeah it could be the first you never know yeah you've never seen anything I think you would know when you communicate Mutual

Amberyou can move on from from there you never know I mean it's your opinion like whatever you think is right for you first date yeah kidding wait it's okay you think what I think it's depressed on the person

Brian Atlaslike everybody has a different opinion on things like you know sure well okay let me I want to add a little extra thing to this okay uh what's the quickest also that you've ever done

Ali Bobaum three months we're talking consistently three months yeah okay what about well you claim virgin you know so zero don't know next person

Brian Atlasyou're being a little evasive there Elizabeth is there something you want to reveal what what are your parents are watching Mom and Dad Mom and Dad Miss Mrs and Mrs Winn is that how you say your last name yeah that's how you say my last name is

Brian Atlasit when or nwin it sounds like w-in win Mr and Mrs win please turn off the stream right now okay tell us what's up there was some

Brian Atlaslike hunky ice skater dude come on behind the bleachers ice skating dudes yeah no no come on most of them are homo

Brian Atlasual Okay Madison you said that too well I didn't know I didn't I I said gay you said you said it like very I think Madison's got a little bone to pick okay uh so

Brian Atlashow long do you think you should wait what's the quickest you've ever how long you should wait I think it just depends on you okay and what's the quickest you've ever

Ambercouple months probably stop the cap no way no I think no no I think like the fifth date like definitely like yeah like fourth day your current

Ambertoxic boyfriend uh how long did you wait with him like did you do the first day no that was the first day for sure come on no because I didn't go to his house until a

Ambercouple weeks later so second date no definitely like four fourth and fifth oh fourth because the thing is like I was living in San Diego and he was in LA so I didn't really see him that much it was

Ambermedium distance yeah um so it's a fourth date yeah is there a second date well our second day was it was even like

Brian Atlaswe went to Disneyland hang out first like first time meeting second time meeting third time meeting what's the quickest like you gotta pick one fourth fifth fifth

Morganwell you said fourth we'll just say fourth okay fourth okay fine uh Morgan what about you I think of a woman like okay society-wise I think a woman should hold out as long as physically possible because as soon as you add sexual

Morganintimacy into a relationship situationship it just completely complicates things so like Society wise like ladies just wait and you know a man will chase after you and Court you if that's actually somebody you want to be

Morganwith and but also in marriage a woman should never withhold such one as intimacy from her husband Faith wise I think a woman and a man should wait until marriage for that

Morganintimacy I mean that includes like oral too like I don't think a woman or a man like they're when you're going into a marriage you can learn that and you don't need to do that have I done it in the past yes like I am not a virgin and

MorganI will always say that and be open and honest with a partner about that and also I would like my partner would be honest with me of you know where he's at but when going into a marriage as I've gotten older I've realized like

Morganthat just clouds everything and like traditionally like you just don't need that but I also I'm dating for marriage I'm not dating just for fun and I'm expecting to be engaged like I mean after a year to a year and a half like be engaged

Brian Atlaswell yeah I mean you're walking in a different path now right um I have a and you brought up an interesting point like in marriage the wife should not withhold sex um well before Madison have you answered the original question I think it obviously

Madisonit depends but wait Madison you're hiding too much behind the uh personal experience I've never been like I've never been I was never introduced

Madisonto the fact that like you had to wait or like waiting was better so I can't really say like I don't know the fastest I've done it was like first heading out yeah you said yeah the first time and relationships can grow from

Brian Atlasthat and I think that you can also learn with that person like I luckily got the great side of it yeah yeah yeah you got a good guy I mean of all my long-term relationships it's

Brian Atlaslike I've had a five-year relationship two-year uh one year one year uh it was pretty early on for all of them either pretty sure either the second by the

Brian Atlassecond or third hangout we hooked up and I I don't think so long as you're both interested in pursuing something long-term I don't think it's it's kind of arbitrary

Brian AtlasI if but if your standard is like I'm waiting till marriage then obviously waiting makes sense but if it's just like sort of this arbitrary you don't know if you're going to marry that person by a second or third date so then at that

Morganpoint you're just confusing the relationship and adding a like for a woman adding to her body count is really important as if she has to go into another relationship and you don't actually end up together it's more

Morganimportant for a woman than a man yes I agree I I know exactly what you're talking about you know because I feel the same going into a relationship she has a low body count she has three bodies right and then she dates the next guy and okay it's going well they're on

Morganthe same page they hook up but then all of a sudden they break up six months later and then she goes into another relationship and she's just you know at this point adding more men to her roster well now she's creating the inability to have bonds with more and more men

Morganinstead of yes withholding a little bit longer even if it is six months you know to know that guy and if you break up well it's okay because you did not have sexual intimacy with that person to rather than going into another

Morganrelationship one the breakup will be easier because you didn't create that bond with that person in that way when it comes to like I'm talking like actual having sex one's busy but then into the next relationship she is way better off

Morganand ready to be in an actual relationship to be married at that point because what's the point of dating in relationships if it's not procreation in marriage at the end at the end of the day yes that's exactly what I believe

Morganyou've said it yeah sure if you want I have like sex like date three sure but I mean you're just emotionally and physically harming each other if you do

Brian Atlasnot end up with that person true very true what is your opinion have I ever been harmed physically or emotionally

SPEAKER_00by having sex with a woman I think like we're talking more about women yeah I don't know what he can obviously matters More For A Woman Eric donated yeah I think American dollars lady in

SPEAKER_00Black stop using Vibe because that's just code for attractiveness gold medalist flight of Germany and see that dude toxic relationship fix yourself and

SPEAKER_00leave him Morgan you are legit Madison congrats to you and Frankie what nothing nice for me you know what's funny thank you man I appreciate it the whole attractiveness thing

Ali BobaI've been told that I've dated guys that are way below my league I'm just saying I'm just saying because I don't I do not care about what you look like physically after the show I want to see your exes because I gotta

Morganyou wouldn't you would be my balloon well it's crazy because guys who you know below uh more attractive girls League are more likely to actually chase after the more attractive woman because the really good

Amberlooking like Chad dudes aren't necessarily going to go after the super attractive girls because they're insecure they're insecure yeah it's a double-ended sword though true because I mean they're ugly guys that never got girls in high school and then it's like kill the cheerleader they date girls

Amberthat are really pretty because they're taking Revenge out of like they didn't date me so I'm gonna like you know do this to her do this to her you know it just depends on the guy to be honest he can be ugly and he can be a really nice guy he can be

Brian Atlasugly and be a really bad guy that is true you know yeah I mean bringing it back to uh Eric's Super Chat here talking about the vibe uh I think it really ultimately does come

Brian Atlasdown to the physical attractiveness has to be there yeah to begin with I think for their I mean obviously can a guy be charismatic can he be confident can he be funny can that make him more

Brian Atlasattractive absolutely but I think because there's also this thing where behavior that a woman would other fi

Brian Atlasotherwise find flirtatious if the guy is not attractive she's going to label it as creepy so like the exact same sort of behavior if it's coming from a guy you're not physically

Brian Atlasattracted to it's going to be framed as like creepy but like a guy you're attracted to doing the exact same you're like oh flirting yeah so it's like I don't know the Vibes kind of also

Brian Atlasno it depends it depends on the approach yes of course there's like clearly creepy that even if he's attractive it's like whoa okay yeah do you want to

Brian Atlascome check out my knife collection actually I think some chicks actually okay okay there you go I was firearms

Madisonwait what I was approached today at Chipotle what tell us and he wasn't he wasn't like attract like I definitely wasn't attracted to him like not not someone I would physically go for it's a

Madisongirl Frankie wait what Nick go go so basically I was like he had like six friends with him so it was like him and his six friends and I was like we're

Madisonalone I was alone like right before I came here I was walking out of Chipotle and he like walks up to me and he's like oh like you're very pretty and I was like oh thank you so much like I hope you have a great rest of your day and

Madisonthen he was just like egging it on he was like I play basketball like all this stuff he's like you should come to one of my games like can I get your Instagram and then he was just like I have like like cool like

Madisonconversation with him but I I wasn't like giving ideas that I was attracted to him he's like can I get your Instagram I was like no I have a boyfriend oh yeah and then he was like oh well you and your boyfriend should

Madisoncome to my basketball games and I was like that's cute

Brian Atlaslike I wasn't he was still trying that's like what's your boyfriend got to do with me type of yeah yeah what's your man

Madisongot to do with probably never gonna go to one of his basketball games it was just like a nice conversation like it wasn't like creepy or anything even when he wasn't even though he wasn't attractive it was a good conversation he

Brian Atlaswas just not yeah are you trying to say something what you don't like what

Madisonyou're always just trying to frame me no no I kind of am though I always do okay so um

Brian Atlaswait so okay he approaches you you're so beautiful like that he was just like what did he say you're very pretty that's it like just pause and then was waiting for a response yeah

Madisonwait so he he was in line behind you at Chipotle no I was walking out of Chipotle getting in my car and they were outside of the Chipotle okay and then like six friends were just standing there watching us conversate so I was like were they quiet that's a little

Madisonweird yeah and then so he didn't come up to you he was still in his friend group and then he like and he approached and then he he left his friends to approach me but they were also we were also he walked up

Brian Atlaswithin like each other so okay they overheard so okay and then you say I think you have a good day and then what did he say again he's like oh by the way I play basketball you want to know like

Madisonthe exact conversation we had yeah yeah he's like oh where are you from I was like oh I'm from like San Diego like and he was like oh cool like I was just in San Diego like I went out downtown it was really fun and everything and I was

Brian Atlaslike yeah I love San Diego look how bored she is

Madisonno and then he was just like oh like I play basketball too like do you go to like the CC and I was like yeah and he was like oh yeah I go to CC like I play basketball you should come to one of my games can I get your Instagram before

Madisonyou leave and then I was like oh no sorry I have a boyfriend actually no I didn't say sorry I never say sorry I have a boyfriend because I'm never sorry that I have a boyfriend but I was just like I have a boyfriend

Morganit's fine you know B flat like flat or a girl and then there's like versus do more you know yeah and then he respects her and you said you had a boyfriend he respected the boundary and he's like oh yeah and he was like

Madisonbasketball games and I was like maybe and then his friends started laughing and was like maybe and then they all walked away yeah that's chill that's fine yeah I mean I was just I just thought it was funny like he's like oh you're very pretty and

Brian Atlasyou're like thanks and he's like so I play basketball you know it's kind of like check out my Ferrari I don't know um okay wait how where were we we were talking about you being traditional yes I don't know how I've got

Brian Atlasuh so traditional traditional traditional you do traditional things I do uh if I were to

Brian AtlasAlly right yeah if I were to propose to you right with a ring oh my God

Elizabethall right yeah yeah why do you propose like everyone you're opposed to me last time now you got a boyfriend what's up you cheater

Brian Atlashow dare you you broke my heart we were engaged and now you're dating some German Chad he's got way more followers than me you've crushed me

Brian Atlasyou crushed me as Elizabeth I am heartbroken I'm gonna need therapy I'm gonna go see her therapist my life is over because of you oh my gosh I don't know what to say

Brian Atlasyou ruined everything how could you I thought we had something I thought we had something Elizabeth and how dare you backstab how dare you I'm

ElizabethI'm hurt you know what someone said like right after the podcast you are raising up another girl so um I don't know someone said um oh my gosh

Brian AtlasBrian cheated on you or something on the next episode I don't have because you I have zero games you like give the ring to everybody what do you mean no what do you I've done the ring thing no that's not true Madison I haven't done the ring

Brian Atlasthing in a long time right yes but he got his mindset on it this is the first time hearing about this new guy for all I thought for the past two months we were I thought we had a

Brian Atlaslike a non-communicative I haven't talked to you I haven't talked to you but I thought we were like engaged in and now I find out tonight on the stream that

Brian Atlasyou're cheating on me what the Elizabeth wow you think you think the thing with you and your boyfriend is weird we haven't even talked in two months that's weird son

Brian AtlasI've just been busy I'm so busy you know we're busy you know I I so I thought that's what it was that we're so busy and and then you thought we were engaged

Brian Atlasand I find out you're dating this dude he can't give you what does he have that I don't

Brian AtlasElizabeth what does he have that I don't besides way more followers on Instagram

Brian Atlashe has rizz no I don't want to say that I don't know wait but we're engaged now we are so you're traditional

Brian Atlasdo you take my last name yeah yeah um if I decide that I want my kids to be homeschooled oh I want to homeschool my kids I'm not our private school I'm not

Ali Bobaputting my kids in public school especially the way things are going let's say we have a disagreement on something as head of the household do I have final say see there's it comes when it if it's a

Ali Bobasense of morals and you're guiding me okay sure but if it's like an argument like a note like come on your couple we argue like it's normal we don't argue oh we don't we never argue together you you

Brian Atlasit's gonna be pent up for you you hold that in and then the week goes by and you're like yeah whatever it's not a big deal I I don't know I feel like everyone's different obviously

Brian Atlaszero quarrel zero Coral just hold it in you can uh you're gonna have to maybe once a year I'll allow like a boil up from all the pent up ago no once a year I will allow an argument but see but

Morganthat's not leading the household that's toxic yeah no no that's that's like a good taste I know yes our relationship our marriage it's a dictatorship yeah it's a dictatorship okay

Brian Atlasfor that too late now this is a dictatorship Stockholm syndrome let's go um okay so submissive traditional traditional

Morganokay I'm trying to think of what other ways one could be traditional okay let's pull up your huh add a question because you said you're like waiting for you're not waiting for marriage but you would sleep with someone like after a year what's preventing you from that because it

Morgansounds like you know you are religious you do have all these traditional morals these values homeschooling like these are very biblical traditional traditional things and Society traditional so what's you know why why not wait for marriage

Ali Bobathen in that case or like how quickly would you get engaged because that a year would you get engaged that quick if I'm in love yeah and if it's the right man totally I'm not against it I just I just know right now it's just not like I

Morgansaid like dating is so hard it's really hard it sucks yeah finding a good guy finding a good quality guy really hard very rare the masculine yes who are intimidated by women who are

Morganactually strong and want more traditional things because there are men that want traditional things out there but some guys are scared of that because they're like oh she actually knows what she wants oh she wants to raise a family she wants to homeschooler because I am the same I want to homeschool I want to

Morganhave a family I want to be a wife and a mother full-time that is a full-time job but sometimes and Men also want that but sometimes when they're younger they're like almost unaware they're like oh you

Morganlike I need to provide for these things you're like yeah and I will provide back yeah well I mean from a financial approach I feel like a guy's not gonna

Brian Atlasokay let's say a guy goes to college right that's four years so he's 21-22 by the time he gets out of college so certainly not between the ages of 18 to 21 he's like ready to like have kids right right but I mean could could you

Morganbe settled down and the Christian Community it is yeah I was going to say I could be I could be married right now and have a kid and like of course it went wrong Morgan I'm kidding okay I mean I have a feeling I'll be married

Morganprobably by the time I'm like 28 how my first kid like am I invited to them to the wedding to the wedding I plan to have a big wedding so sure if we're still good

Brian Atlaswhat if somebody you like can I be uh like if somebody uh wants a male saw you on the whatever podcast and then he slid into the do you check your DMs I do I I

Morganlove the DMs I I did actually yeah on the podcast any prospects not nothing good nothing good so we gotta keep working on that I want to be

Morganif you want to identify as whatever you want to identify it's short but like not not gonna fly woman no no I'm not gonna fly what about is Blair white coming to your wedding I don't know Blair person

Brian Atlasyou don't know Blair no who's blue would Chia be a bridesmaid no no the wedding okay I don't know where I'm well I'm taking that there um Okay so for sure Brian you can you can come to

Morganmy um fictitious wedding no hors d'oeuvres crab cakes maybe Seafood no though I will have a champagne toast only wedding there will be champagne only I do not want drunk

Brian Atlaspeople at my wedding because I also have children wow there will be crab cakes

Brian Atlasno you don't like you would rather do crab cakes and lobster rolls oh yeah their hat listen you have to promise me that there will be crab cakes at your

Morganwedding whether I I am there or not well you just said you have to be there that's right you have to be there if it's somebody

Morganwho's watched I've never had that exactly yeah and crab cakes I'm trying to I'd be down for cupcakes yes I've never had them like what is that a crab cake yeah

Morganlike I'm Mexican I don't know like I'm just like um an appetizer yeah just like with something like it's like crab bread crumbs like yeah

Morganlike yeah some if you like I like truffle oil okay with some parsley so it's like is it bread underneath these or uh it's like crab that's breaded together bread crumbs and it's like a

Brian Atlaslittle like a Patty okay yeah they're really good okay so Ally you're a very traditional woman very traditional however we need to do a background check on you oh God to make sure that you're actually traditional I don't want the RG

Brian Atlasbecause that's you have to understand I'm a brand and I have to bring people to my page oh wait speaking of which Nick can you can pull up I was gonna just ask about what honestly Instagram Instagram is it really are we checking

SPEAKER_00everybody's Instagram it's it's you guys wouldn't recognize me oh wait before you die when a billy is donated 100 thank you doc good to see you next time you give her the ring

Brian Atlashe did say I think he's our East Coast person so he's not familiar with in and out but uh there's definitely a joke somewhere in there um are we you try you want to get some in

Elizabethand out after this what's up sorry Elizabeth what's up thank you next what's up thank you next speaking of Ariel I'm gonna say Ariana Grande wait are we

Brian Atlaschecking everybody jealous you're getting jealous no you I'm jealous yeah I'm not you're jealous now what's up I got a new girl

Brian Atlasyour parents were very nice yes they are I spoke to your parents they're very pleasant I think they liked me right did they like me they said you were a really nice guy

SPEAKER_00that's a good thing my parents are strictly donated 100 brain and Nick eat my ass from the back

Brian Atlasranged Nick how much do you charge for that couple G's um no it was didn't we go with it was Nick Madison

Madisonwas stay safe on that fun no we went us stay safe that girl and her dad no but whole Squad I didn't go with her

Brian AtlasNick were you there with Elizabeth oh yeah he it was just it was it Eric who was which one the last we we had other people there with us though I

Brian Atlasbrought wait I'm trying to remember right yo fdg thank you for the 50 gifted wait was it was it just me you and your

Elizabethparents it was just me you and my parents who went in and out no didn't we have sounds like a good first date yeah hey with my parents my parents are there your parents likes

Brian Atlasme I think but not everybody can be like a Tick-Tock dancer okay

Brian Atlasum he's making music he's really good music okay I'm sure it is oh what just kidding okay let's pull up our dear friend Ali's

Brian AtlasInstagram page oh why is it why is it at the bottom squirrel scroll through the top scored I love it I don't have a lot honestly I love it scroll scroll down slowly so this is your Instagram page is

Brian Atlasthat wait stop the one with the Herman Miller chair yeah like the Herman Miller chair there's literally one photo with a chair in it

Brian Atlasoh like people I mean I think you're traditional I think is it is that the uh is that a b or a the chair the Herman Miller's or the b or a c it's a b based

Brian Atlasokay is it like the gaming one or like the gaming version It's it's just not talk about the fact that you're like naked kind of thing it's a gaming show that makes the picture is

Brian Atlasthat underwear or a swimsuit it's my e-girl outfit because that's like okay all right yeah close close that route close that out but I will say

Brian Atlasthis scroll down uh the the is the the dock is that you on the dock yeah don't click it but so that's your ass wait hold on now Brian

Brian Atlasuh and then ask again uh pretty reveal uh scroll down oh the

Ali Bobahere's it's kind of hard here's the butt I mean I'm on vacation

Ali Bobawait and then go to the the next one over Nick the next Tab and uh is that you yeah I used to be a big raver I was like a huge rape girl red flag he said don't say red flag because I was raving

Ali Bobabefore it was cool when it was fun before how old were you in these photos um those are I don't know a couple years ago wasn't during the pandemic because when that was a drive up Rave that's

Brian Atlaswhen I stopped I'm sure the raving's been a thing for I haven't never I've been reading since I was 16. I've never been to a rave okay I know I'm so like Grandma listen uh I stopped though I

Brian Atlasdon't know these look these photos um doesn't really come like traditional isn't the first word that comes to mind yeah you know what I mean no no I

Ali Bobatotally get it but yeah let me if I'm allowed to yeah so my thing with that is like I said like I look at it as like a brand kind of thing like that's my money I'd I financially support myself right

Ali Bobanow and where I draw the line is obviously exclusive content and that's I don't do that I don't like to do that it's just because I think it's a little different because in that sense you're essentially paying somebody like saying like hey send me an ass picture five

Ali Bobadollars that's like in my I think that's prostitution you know sure that's worse I suppose yeah but you know what I mean and that's like where I draw the line and when it comes to like for example let's say I did meet a man that's like hey I don't want you posting photos like

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