Adam22, Lena The Plug vs. Lila Rose, Isabella DeLuca, Ruslan | Dating Talk #93

Date: 2023-08-23

Duration: 4h 28m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLena The Plug >

CChristy (DT94)>

BBrenna (DT93)>

MMadison (DT94)>

IIsabella DeLuca >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Ruslan(guest)

SPEAKER_02Lena The Plug(guest)

SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_04Adam22(guest)

SPEAKER_06Christy(guest)

SPEAKER_07Lila Rose(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brenna/Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brenna(guest)

SPEAKER_10Isabella DeLuca(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteLena The Plug introduces herself: 32yo OnlyFans creator and mom, married to Adam22.

“hi everyone I'm Lena the plug I'm 32 years old and I'm an only fans Creator and a mom”

QuoteAdam22 explains Lena's first MFM scene with Jason Love was framed as a "wedding present" joke — but it was actually a pre-wedding agreement. Jason Love later had beef with Adam by talking on podcasts.

“we were talking because we were thinking about doing like a sort of like game show type thing or like an American Idol type tryout thing for us to find the next dude”

QuoteLila Rose states she and her husband practice fidelity as a sacred promise; intimacy is for marriage alone. First response to Adam22 and Lena's open arrangement.

“Fidelity is really really big we think that's part of being married is that it's a sacred promise to each other”

QuoteAdam22 describes watching Lena's C-section and realizing he is committed to her for life regardless of circumstances.

“I'm watching the doctor slice her stomach open and pull the baby out like The Lion King and I'm just witnessing that and just realizing like oh I am sticking around like it does not matter”

QuoteLena explains the Jason Love MFM scene: it was a business decision, not infidelity, because it was fully disclosed. Not cheating because they discussed it beforehand.

“for us if it's not cheating or infidelity because it was all you know talked about... if I was texting Jason right now probably that would be considered cheating but me having... told my husband...that was not cheating”

QuoteAdam22 describes their open relationship as primarily on-camera only; almost never hook up with others off-camera. Distinguishes from Destiny-style full polyamory.

“we almost never in the past like three four years have really hooked up with anybody off camera not that we have anything against it it just hasn't really it just it's primarily a work thing”

QuoteAdam discloses body count of approximately 600.

“like 600-ish 600-ish okay”

QuoteLila Rose cites stat: 56% of divorces list pornography as a reason; the top site for trafficking victims is porn sites.

“56 of divorces list pornographies of one of the partners as one of the top reasons... the top site that trafficked victims are at according to the data is porn show sites”

QuoteLila Rose reveals she was a virgin when she married at age 30 and was mocked for it; advocates normalizing virginity before marriage.

“I got married at 30 and I was a virgin and people were like you're so crazy you're so weird like how could that be”

QuoteRuslan reads Matthew 5:27-28 ("You have heard it said you shall not commit adultery but I say to you anyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery") to argue porn is a sin by Christ's own words.

“this is Jesus speaking it's in red he says you have heard that it was said You shall not commit adultery but I say to you”

QuoteChristy self-discloses body count of approximately 22, describing it as very low given her opportunities as an OnlyFans creator.

“mine's probably around 22... that is a very very low body count... compared to how many opportunities I have on a daily basis”

QuoteLila Rose discloses body count as 1 — her husband only. She was a virgin when she married at 30.

“it's eighteen is Lila... it's just my husband one”

QuoteBrenna tells the story of meeting a man from the phone number on the side of his truck, going on a date and discovering he was a little person, then faking an emergency to escape the date.

“I see this guy pull up in a truck next to me and I'm like oh he's kind of cute and he's like call me... my mom comes upstairs she's like Bren your date's here... and I walk outside and he's a legit [little person]”

QuoteBrenna shares ghosting story: ex-boyfriend of 2.5 years disappeared entirely — all belongings gone; his father called her father to end things. She never heard from him again.

“I came home one weekend he was gone all of his stuff was gone and then his dad reached out to mine to tell me it was over and I haven't heard from him since”

QuoteAdam22 argues he would not pay for the first date if the woman out-earns him; but ultimately paid for Lena's first date (diner). Explains paying is peacocking to signal financial stability.

“I feel like I understand there's like a value to the peacocking that you're doing by paying it's just like sort of demonstrating that you're not broke”

QuoteAdam22 reflects that the intangibles — Lena's loyalty during his lowest moments — made her irreplaceable regardless of her body count history.

“I have been at the lowest points in my life and she was somebody who you know was just there for me 100 of the time... it would have been like a catastrophic mistake in retrospect [to write her off for body count]”

QuoteRuslan cites "The Good News About Marriage" book: real divorce rate is ~38%, and for practicing born-again Christians who attend church it drops to 10-15%.

“the real divorce rate's around 38 when you feel alive when you factor in people who make above average income and get this practice their faith... the divorce rate falls off the cliff... between 10 and 15 percent”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Show Announcements

Brian opens show from Santa Barbara CA, introduces co-host Ashley Sinclair (formerly Kiki). Guests introduce themselves: Lena The Plug (32yo OF creator/mom), Adam22 (39yo podcaster), Christy (33yo OF model), Brenna (34yo publicist), Madison (18yo SBCC student/Whatever staff), Lila Rose (34yo Live Action founder), Ruslan (38yo YouTuber/Christian speaker), Isabella DeLuca (23yo conservative influencer/Think Tank fellow). Relationship status round: Lena married to Adam 7 years; Christy single 5 months; Brenna/Madison single; Lila married 15 years; Ruslan married 15 years; Isabella dating 1 month; Brian longest relationship ~1 year.

Adam22 & Lena The Plug: Open Relationship, Porn Career, MFM Scene

Extended discussion of Adam and Lena's marriage and content career. Lena's first MFM scene with Jason Love (framed as "wedding present" joke). Jason Love had beef with Adam after the scene by "yapping" on podcasts. Plan for future MFM partner selection ("American Idol"-style tryout). Adam and Lena discuss only shooting together (Adam did one solo scene when Lena had stomach virus). Adam explains need to clear sexual thought via masturbation. Discussion of whether their arrangement constitutes cheating — agreed it does not because fully disclosed. Lena: "if I was texting Jason right now probably that would be considered cheating but me having told my husband...that was not cheating."

Pornography Debate: Harm vs. Personal Freedom

Lila Rose and Ruslan vs. Adam22 and Christy on pornography's societal impact. Lila: average porn entry age 13; 56% of divorces list porn; trafficking victims appear on major porn sites; Utah porn law and PornHub withdrawing due to underage users. Christy: parents should parent better; kids shouldn't have iPads. Adam: porn is like alcohol — harmful to some, neutral for most; first saw porn at 11 from dumpster magazines. Isabella: no-middle-ground is unrealistic but age verification should exist. Ruslan: secular removal of God from society correlates with rising STIs, divorce, suicide. Lila advocates for federal age verification law.

Logan Paul vs. Dylan Danis / Body Count Debate

Discussion prompted by Dylan Danis attempting to embarrass Logan Paul by posting about his fiancee's past. Christy's "body count ratio" theory introduced: ratio of opportunities taken vs. offered matters more than raw number. Lena: double standard for men vs. women. Lila: consistent standard should apply to both sexes. Ruslan: body count matters, harder to pair-bond with higher numbers, statistically proven. Adam: 40-body-count girlfriend at 22 made him reconsider, but now would not write off Lena for her history. Christy self-discloses ~22 body count. Brenna: does not know her number. Lila: husband only (1). Ruslan: not disclosed. Isabella: history matters for current relationship, but redemption exists. Adam: ~600.

Religion, Sex, and Morality Debate

Ruslan reads Matthew 5:27-28 (lust as adultery). Lila explains theology: sex is for unity and procreation within marriage; porn creates lust, which is a sin by design. Christy argues she only did content with her boyfriend and does not feel she sinned. Ruslan: porn is like cocaine to cocoa leaf — processed form becomes harmful. Adam: neither masturbation nor porn has negatively affected his life. Christy: "I'm Catholic, I have a very good connection with God." Discussion of God's love as accepting where you are while desiring more for you (Ruslan's Adam-daughter analogy). Isabella: sex is sacred within marriage per the Commandments.

Abortion Discussion

Lila Rose: 2500 abortions per day in the US; sky-high numbers because people don't take sex seriously. Brenna: abortion can be justified in some circumstances (finances, abusive relationship). Lila: never justifiable to kill an innocent child; many abortions are coerced by abusive partners. Isabella: conservative, pro-life, was in an abusive relationship but did not have an abortion. Christy: pro-life, has never had a pregnancy scare. Discussion of financial circumstances as reason for abortion — Brian challenges if that is a valid justification.

Body Count Round (Direct)

Explicit body count disclosure round. Adam: ~600. Lena: will not disclose (advised by Adam not to). Christy: ~22 ("very low given opportunities"). Brenna: does not know / "30ish." Lila: 1 (husband only). Ruslan: not disclosed. Isabella: not disclosed (former engagement referenced). Brian: not disclosed.

Dating App Profiles Review

Brian reviews Isabella's Hinge profile live on show: notes all photos have filters/makeup. Christy shows Coffee Meets Bagel profile (kicked off Bumble for promoting OnlyFans; also on Hinge previously). Brian argues filters on dating apps are misrepresentation. Christy reads her Coffee Meets Bagel bio: "I have to weed out the weak... I hate feminism and I love toxic masculinity... men and women are not equals." Discussion of Christy's new breast augmentation (6 weeks prior). Brian and panel discuss catfishing via filters and whether dating app photos should be unfiltered.

How to Make Men Great Again

Panel asked how to make men great again. Christy: men are natural providers/protectors/hunters; society forces feminine energy on men to eliminate identity and control population. Ruslan: men should be in communities with older couples mentoring them. Isabella: no-fault divorce devalued marriage; people need to take marriage more seriously. Brian: find a traditional woman with low body count, no cluster B personality disorders, and no children from another man before marrying. Lila: marriage is awesome when both partners strive to be their best and serve each other.

Jealousy in Adam & Lena's Relationship

Q&A segment on jealousy in Adam and Lena's relationship (prompted by TTS donation from a fan couple). Lena: early jealousy during threesomes when not sure where they stood; desensitized over time. Adam: mild jealousy when he complimented another girl's Instagram in front of Lena; strong jealousy during Jason Love scene. Lena felt jealous during Adam's drunk podcast with grabby girls while pregnant. Adam: "some degree of jealousy is inevitable and is a sign of a healthy relationship." Ruslan: avoids situations that would cause jealousy. Lila: natural wiring for monogamy makes desensitization concerning.

First Date Paying Debate

Extended debate on who should pay on first dates. Brian: not obliged to pay; prefers splitting as sign of equality. Lena: Adam paid on first date (diner). Adam: paying is peacocking — signals financial stability; also a test to filter women just there for free dinner. Isabella: women contribute by getting dressed and doing makeup (takes time). Lila: paying signals provider dynamic — "I want to be a provider." Christy: would let a man pay, prefers it. Brian explains "gangster" strategy: arrive early, get own drink before she arrives so no obligation. Discussion of "foodie calls" — women going on dates for free food.

Marriage Skepticism vs. Pro-Marriage Debate

Brian: strongly resistant to legal marriage due to divorce laws, community property, alimony. Lila: custody issues exist even without marriage; preparing well for marriage reduces divorce risk. Adam: having a child made marriage feel obvious and important. Ruslan: real divorce rate ~38% (not 50%); drops to ~15% for practicing born-again Christians who attend church regularly. Isabella: people treat marriage as escapable due to no-fault divorce. Brian: three criteria for men considering marriage — no child from another man, no cluster B disorder, low body count. Lena: initiated prenup process with same lawyer as Britney Spears and Kim Kardashian.

Transcript

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Adam22talking about the optimal flourishing environments because we're all going to eventually have kids majority of us anyway how does that look um if you're a guy I mean I think it's probably you know you spend however many years being single and sort of figuring

Adam22out what you like and what you don't like and then at some point once you get into the relationship you just take it serious I think once as a guy in my life when I decided that I wanted to actually treat a girl good it wasn't really that hard for me to then end up in a

Adam22relationship with her you know whereas when I was trying to do the thing of like trying to be this Playboy or trying to like be getting drunk and up and just kind of treating women like pieces of then that was like it's very hard for you to land in a relationship when you're not showing the

Adam22girl respect but if you as soon as you flip the switch and start like actually treating her like you give a about what happens to her or how you're treating her usually it's that's right it's not that complicated well you know it's like powerful too is we can learn

Lila Rosefrom other people's experiences because I do think like you sharing your experience Adam like other people sharing the experience like hey this is how I lived and it didn't make me happy and so then I wanted to you know get married or whatever it is I do think

Lila Rosethat people don't have to sew their Wild Oats like I think that is a mythology in our culture today of like oh when you're young for your promiscuous and then you settle down I know so many couples who were young and they were each other's first and they settled down and they

Lila Rosehave this beautiful life that they built together now that's not everybody's story obviously but I think that we need to kind of make that normal again because right now if you're a virgin and you know you get married you know I got married at 30 and I was a virgin and

Lila Rosepeople were like no one was like oh you're so crazy you're so weird like how could that be and it's like why don't we normalize that instead of saying it's weird I mean literally people get made fun of for being virgins especially Men actually which is so sad it's true and

Lila Roseit should be the opposite it should be like no let's celebrate that not to shame people who aren't but let's celebrate living that people say it's traditional but living that that way because it leads to and has led to so many beautiful marriages like your

Brian Atlasparents and you know my parents and other people who have those role models so really quick on chivalry uh so do you do you think chivalry is dead yeah but maybe I just haven't been

Brian Atlasaround the right guys yeah well to quote the great Dave Chappelle he says chivalry is dead and women killed it oh harsh

Brian Atlasin one way somewhere yeah I don't know well I think like okay when it comes to like this expectation dating app skills it more than a certain gender yeah well I think there's a whole bunch of factors there's

Brian Atlasjust what's going on with you I know I know but like can you not interrupt please okay

Brian Atlascertainly I think social media dating apps have plain to play the big factor but I think that when it comes to like who should pay on the first date guys doing these sort of traditional things like a lot of women seem to just

Brian Atlasblithely assume that traditional gender roles uh assigned to men are something that they are entitled to the benefits of by magical default instead of it being

Brian Atlassomething that ought to uh that women have to help culture and nurture for it to be there for men and so I think like

Brian Atlasin order for you to like you should be the type of woman that's deserving of the traditional if you want traditional treatment you ought to be a traditional woman and that just comes back to our Point our argument that we were having

Brian Atlasearlier is is if you're not a traditional women you oh excuse me if you're not a traditional woman you cannot expect traditional treatment from Men

Brian Atlaslike I think I'm a traditional woman are you I mean you said you've had like what 30 plus previous sexual partners

Brennayou say you're what like 33 or something 34. don't listen to them yeah you're doing great I don't think there's anything wrong with that like I go to church

Brennaevery weekend I'm like very spiritual I know what I want like sometimes you just you haven't met the right person yet and there's nothing wrong with you it's just yeah there's there's men out there that

Brian Atlasare that don't really care about body count but there's a lot of men out there that do yeah if I was your boyfriend I would let you slide thanks all right well there you have it here we go if Adam 22 was your boyfriend dude

Lena The Plugyou'd let it slide there you go I'll let you some other guys too whoa you know I want to do that he's not shovel wrist you don't wanna oh um

Lena The Plugyou're rich I don't feel like all men want the traditional gender roles I feel like if I stop paying for half of everything Adam would not be happy who paid for the first like was their first date did you guys do dinner for the

Lena The Plugfirst day we went to to a diner and then we went and got 7-Eleven cheap wine did you all split the bill or no I think he paid oh okay all right he's a gentleman it was a diner Adam 22 is a gentleman

Brian Atlassee I I wouldn't pay for the first date really yeah I don't pay for the first day wow do you expect a woman to no I don't expect her to pay for me but I think we should split the bill wow that's right

Lena The Plugso you want a traditional woman but then you want to do some things yeah

Lila Roseall men want like the traditional thing right now that we have to give what we want to get right I mean what it comes down to but both men and women it's the only way guys

Adam22no still no bodies it can't be bodies but I really be a virgin who splits the Bill thank God I like when I've been on a first date and I pay which is like really any like if I just start talking to a girl in a bar I'm gonna start you

Adam22know paying for drinks or whatever it's just a way of saying like look I am financially stable I'm not scared to spend seven dollars on buying you a drink or twenty dollars on a cheeseburger or whatever it is you know it's like I I feel like I understand

Adam22there's like a value to the the peacocking that you're doing by paying it's just like sort of demonstrating that you're not broke but I do like in terms of the principle I like where he's going with it and it's kind of like a

Adam22nice test to find out how much the woman is just there for free TGI Fridays you know yeah yeah I mean it's no one is there for free on a date with Brian Brian well there's

Brian Atlasthere definitely are uh women who partake in foodie calls yes I've never heard this before in my life wait you've never heard that no yeah

Brian Atlasit's a foodie call wow and maybe it's not maybe it's not a dinner maybe it's an experience the guy's gonna take her to uh take her to a concert or take her on some experience

Brian Atlasor right fly her out take her on a vacation buy her take her shopping on the first day which is that that to me is way too much but uh yeah but uh as a guy you do kind of have

Brian Atlasto be cautious of that and I look I do think if you don't pay the for the first date as a guy you are going to lose some girls like some girls are gonna have an issue with it I do think it's a good screening mechanism to find women who are

Brian Atlasvery that have high interest they're so interested in you that perhaps even if they would prefer a guy to pay for the date then but they're they're still going to pursue it with you I think women pay their dues in other ways though like they're getting

Isabella DeLucadressed they're doing their makeup they're doing their customer okay you guys take like 10 minutes

Brian Atlashold on I thought women wear makeup for themselves and not for men no I I mean I wear makeup for for men yeah oh the patriarchy wins again so the pain for

Lila Rosethe first date is a sign of chivalry because it it signals the dynamic which is that I as a man ultimately want to be a provider right and like I'm telling

Lila Roseyou I'm signaling to you as a woman that you know this continues we'll fall in love we choose to marry each other we get married whatever that I want to try to provide so that you're able to have babies I mean that is a very like

Brian Atlasfundamental natural principle that I think is beautiful yeah and I I think if we were more like in an old order sort of way when it comes to dating when like

Brian Atlasbeing more traditional I think in the past maybe you'd go on you'd date like one or two people and then the first second or third person that you ever

Brian Atlaspursued romantically ended up being your husband or wife now in today's day and age people are going on dozens of dates hundreds of days and it's easy to do so

Adam22you know like you can usually go on a couple dozen dates over the course of a year and like whereas my parents growing up I mean it would have been pretty tough to even meet that many people you know let me just read this one

Brian Atlasis it not going to read okay screw this chick saying required surgery that enables you to physically continue normally in life like you're hip joint wearing out or in my case blew out my quad tendon

Brian Atlasthat required surgery for me to walk plastic surgery is the same off my name is Christy I don't know why no one's saying my name they just don't this is like solipsism

Brian Atlasum but I I'm not I'm not trying to talk too much because apparently I'm talking way too much so it was just when you interrupt I wasn't interrupting I'm just participating in the conversation if somebody is talking and then you start

Brian Atlastalking that is Interruption but it's also I think I just man explained that by the way what's that I'm participating that's great I I have no problem with you participating but if somebody else

Brian Atlasis talking just let them finish their thought then you can add to it so Adam thank you for the uh TTS much appreciate thank you Adam thank you Adam yep you were by the way you thank you that's a thank you from Christy by the way make

Adam22sure you get her name right k-r-i why is that guy calling you Christy method

Isabella DeLucaon math oh okay wait okay we were talking about paying for the first date wait so don't you think though if you're selective with the women that you're choosing you don't

Brian Atlashave to worry about women using you for a dinner date well the thing is though is that even unassuming women like women you wouldn't think

Brian Atlasare let's say Hustlers of voice crack nice uh like there's some very unassuming women who are quiet and shy and introverted and

Brian Atlaslike their hustlers so you can't always tell interesting you can always tell like they're either they could be really promiscuous or they're like dating a whole bunch of other people so have you ever been in a

Brian Atlassituation where you went to go split the bill at the end and she was like I'm not paying half no because I do some gangster what do you do Brian all right here's what that here's what you do first off first

Brian Atlasoff you should try to do something for free what yeah exactly I got you Lena exactly what are free right definitely you don't do

Brian Atlasyou never do a dinner date dinner is terrible because if it's you on the first date you want a quick out like if it's awkward or it's not going well you don't want to be sitting there waiting for your food like that way so you maybe

Brian Atlasyou go for a drink or you go for a tea coffee right you go to Starbucks now what you do is there's a couple different options if you don't even do the three thing right

Brian Atlasyou just arrive early or you arrive on time and here's the thing like most of the time women are late for days I'm just saying I'm just saying women are

Brian Atlastypically late for first days so you can just arrive on time and just she's gonna be 10 minutes late right Adam you've been on first days right they're usually pretty low on average probably more so more often than not um

Brian Atlasso you just get your drink you go to the bar you get your drink then you go and sit down and when she arrives you don't walk up to the counter to help her get a drink you're like oh I'm saving the booth uh do you want to go and get

Lena The Plugyourself you're not willing to buy a girl 3.50 come on it's not about the money it's not about the money it's about the principle that she'll pay for her own cup of coffee she will yeah so she wants to

Brian Atlasknow that you're down to pay for it too it's fine though it's fine the other thing is you could if there's like a waiter that's going to come bring a check again you get there on timer early she's gonna be late

Brian Atlasand then you tell the waiter when you bring the checks two two checks

Brian AtlasI don't think you're going to meet your future wife yeah that's great this is great I have saved so much money over the years being very

Brian Atlasfrugal that's the sexiest thing for most women is frugality by the way they love a Frugal man but you may have saved money but I feel like you probably would have uh lost experience some more well but you're trying to keep a low body

Lena The Plugcount right where are you you might have met a really cool girl who was just like turned off by the not wanting to pay for the coffee I went on a date with a guy who was gonna pay the bill but then he was asking how much a soda cost which is like clearly the cheapest item on the

Brian Atlasmenu and that just turned me off and I never saw the guy again it's not about the money I know it's more about the principle you know is this where we've gotten to in dating in 2020.

Brian Atlasyour own food listen see Chevrolet's dead and you're the reason why you're not gonna meet a traditional wife splitting coffee no I can still be a girl I can still meet a girl with a low body count and she's cool with me not

Lila Rosepaying for them not saving the opportunity for someone to charge her for her own coffee you never know because there's a thing you want ultimately I'm gonna guess me correct me if I'm wrong I'm wrong I'm

Lila Rosegonna guess there let me just you want a woman that wants to be a wife and a mother that that's a high priority I thought it was gonna be an easy yes

Brian Atlasyeah well and I guess then the whole you pay for that I can have I could have like a long-term partner but uh I'm not in I I don't want to get married

Brian AtlasI'm I'm strongly leaning towards yes but I have to uh of course find the right person to uh have kids with so but you don't want to marry their mother what's that you don't want to marry the mother of your children

Brian Atlasno because of the state of uh the marriage laws and divorce laws in this country it's uh I don't think it's a good move financially for America yeah

Brian Atlaswell I think looking at Kevin Costner he had a prenuptial agreement with his wife I don't know the full details of it but a lot of men my understanding is prenups

Brian Atlasare not bulletproof true all I mean conceivably the woman could say you know let's say you were having a contentious divorce the woman could easily say that

Brian Atlasshe agreed to the prenup under duress and therefore it's invalid why would you trust someone enough to be the mother of your children but but you wouldn't trust

Brian Atlasthem enough to marry them yeah but I mean how many people get married and have kids with people only for it to not work out but do you think that was wise for them well I I just weren't a great judge of character it turns out yeah but

RuslanI mean or it could it could be the case that maybe people people change can I can I propose something uh sure it seems like every other facet of Life learning

Ruslanto drive getting a degree getting certified to cut hair people have to go through some sort of process to get some sort of training and get some sort of certification but the two most important decisions that we will ever make who we

Ruslanhave children with and who we will marry we think we're just going to make it on a whim no planning no education no systems no Target and it's just going to work out I don't know worse people you're conservative though right

Brian Atlasabsolutely so I don't know that seems like a bit too much government internationally I said nothing about government oh okay I think the government should be well no but you were mentioning like a driver's license like having a life well I think he's

Ruslanjust saying that there is like a longer process that goes in things oh okay I'm not talking about the government I think the church should be doing this stuff I think people should be in communities where there's older couples mentoring them that are decades ahead helping them

Brian Atlaswalk through this well I'm look I'm an egalitarian as when it comes to paying for the first date I'm an egalitarian you're an enigma bud I believe I believe in equality I mean that's

Lila Rosethat's I don't think that's equality in terms of equal dignity I mean it depends what you mean by equality well you don't expect a woman to be a man right

Brian Atlasum yeah no I don't expect her no like obviously there's just there are going to be certain roles that I I'm gonna fall into uh I mean I mean I I get why a lot of

Lila Rosepeople are jaded today because divorce rates are so high and there's so much broke so many broken families but like risland was saying there are systems there are things you can do to really prepare and and date like very

Lila Roseintentionally to have maximize the best outcomes possible and people still have free will so it's not like your spouse is never going to make a mistake because I make mistakes in my marriage like you're going to make mistakes but by

Lila Rosereally preparing for marriage and really getting to know the person that you're going to marry before marrying them get to know their Community their family all these things I think it it makes sense to make take the risk for the sake of the kids too the risk of saying yes I'm

Brian Atlasgoing to commit to you for life no matter what sure well I mean just to bring it back to the paying for the first date thing I

Brian Atlasas a guy like if I'm first going on a date with a girl I don't I don't know her yet so I don't know if she's worth it in the same way that women are not obliged to

Brian Atlassleep with a guy on the first date I feel like I'm not obliged to pay on the first date to get paying for someone's coffee is like sleeping with them no it's obviously different but I I I don't personally see the understand the

Brian Atlaspushback against equally investing into the start of a relationship and just me personally as a preference I do I actually like it when women simp for me like I like it when a woman is that into

Christyme in fact it would be not only should it be uh split I think it's better if she pays for me that's some G that's some gangster I think I think no I like it there's a

Isabella DeLucasingle girl here I don't know about you but all of us at least four can I agree I think I think part of the things that Society has normalized is kind of like marriage isn't what it used

Isabella DeLucato be I think people don't take it seriously I think 53 years of no fault divorce in the United States has been completely to our detriment where people kind of just like enter a marriage and they feel like they can get out anytime

Isabella DeLucathat they want so I think that having no value of marriage leads people to think that like oh well I'm looking at marriage as like a contract sure yeah yeah so I mean I I guess

Brian Atlasif I could determine if a girl was actually like if she was traditional let's say she had a low body count she wasn't promiscuous she was feminine Etc under those circumstances I'd be much

Brian Atlasmore open to paying for the first date however like if I'm dating a woman who's 30 she's professional she's got a career

Brian Atlaslike it to me it the whole reason men used to pay was because women were not like out there making money but if I go on a date with an attorney and actually I think I did went back when

Brian Atlasa long time ago if I go on a date with a woman who's an attorney let's say she's out earning me why ought I to pay for her under those circumstances

Lila Roseattorney working full-time when she's a mother of your kids and just do that continuously

Brian Atlasit depends my financial situation if if I I think I'm in the financial spot where if I decided to have kids I would be able to provide and have her just take care of the kids I would be

Lila Roseable to do that but if I wasn't then I might be more interested in her continuing to work meaning you'd be the breadwinner and she would be the

Brian Atlasand you take care of the Babe she'd be the breadwinner excuse me I mean if very few women would be satisfied with that Arrangement but uh

Brian Atlasbut do you I wouldn't no not really although it would be kind of awesome to like if she's just rich like some billionaire heiress yeah I'm gonna quit my sh but then she doesn't have to work she could still be the mom

Brian Atlasuh I know we're going a little late so uh speaking of kids thank you for your guys's patience no wrap up here in just a sec but uh yeah I don't know

Brian AtlasI don't know there's a way to tip the scales in your favor in a marriage man that's all I want you to know yeah I'm just like the I've heard some absolute horror stories of men just

Brian Atlasgetting divorced they're financially ruined and it's just brutal and I've also um I sat in I went to Family Court

Brian Atlasonce not not I was uh it was like a small small claims case um and we were waiting for us to get to the small claim stuff and prior to that

Brian Atlasthere was a family court proceeding and it was a divorce proceeding with uh involving custody of children and it was the most depressing thing I ever saw these two people who I suppose

Brian Atlaspreviously loved each other to be so cold towards each other and you know fighting over the kids and the and just the financial component

Isabella DeLucayeah I just hear you I don't see what what can I get from Marriage that I can't get from a long-term girlfriend but I think that's just like why who you choose is so important like my mom works

Isabella DeLucafor a law office that deals with like a lot of divorces and the story is that she comes home with sometimes are so like disheartening and yeah sometimes it makes me like a little nervous to get married because it's like is this what it's like but I think who you choose is just super important I look at Meghan

Brian AtlasMarkle and Prince Harry like they're the perfect example of like why who you choose to marry is so important I I guess but I mean how many like what is the divorce rate how many people going

Brian Atlasinto marriage think yeah we'll probably be divorced and inevitably they end up divorced I think no prenup is going to save you if the woman is motivated enough but Brian you're still gonna have custody issues even if you don't get

Lila Rosemarried so like you're not going to escape the Brokenness and I would just say like if you go into social support if you go into it expecting the worst outcome or fearing the worst outcome and that sort of like organizing how you

Brian Atlasmake your decisions then I do think you're not gonna set yourself up first success ultimately I mean I think that's just being smart though is recognizing the potential uh

Lila Roserisks I'm sure there's plenty of men that got married who after the fact after their divorce or like maybe I should have thought that through a little more well definitely think it through I don't sure I mean that's

Adam22responsible I just I don't think you should ever sign a contract with somebody who's rewarded for breaking it I never really put that much importance into marriage but then we had a kid and

Adam22all of a sudden it just felt so much more important like oh I actually am going to spend the rest of my life with this girl like I should make it official you know like that just kind of once we had the kid it just seemed glaringly

Adam22obvious to me whereas I was kind of in the same spot where I just didn't see a reason to you know involve the government in My Relations and never could have imagined myself doing it yeah look and if other people want from a

Brian Atlasreligious perspective I have no issue with marriage I more so and this is something I'd love to see conservatives doing because I feel like conservatives are definitely more on the side of men

Brian Atlasthan Liberals are uh but I I do think there ought to be a look at the marriage laws and the divorce laws uh to perhaps better protect men

Brian Atlasyou know when it comes to you know there's alimony community property just there's there's a lot of potential negatives when it comes to uh marriage I'll just say this last thing on marriage and then well if anyone has a

Brian Atlasfinal thought I'll give it to you and then we'll wrap up I would say if you're as a man you're dead set on getting married the the least that you can do is make sure of these three things she does not have

Brian Atlasa child from another man she does not have any cluster B personality disorder or other mental health issues and she's either a virgin or has a low body count I think those are probably the best

Lila Rosecircumstances for marriage well but it is cautious if you're going into it without striving for goodness and health yourself it could it'll still be a train it can still be a train wreck

Lila Roseeven if she's all those things so it just it always takes two to tango in a marriage like you have to both give ever give everything you can to be the best and to be the healthiest yeah I guess like kind of my one of my

Brian Atlasissues with marriage is that and I know a lot of people again from a religious perspective no issue but your religion does not

Brian Atlasexclusively preside over your marriages the state presides over your marriages not biblical values I mean they do but

Brian Atlaslike ultimately if a woman is unhappy in a marriage she goes to the state she doesn't go with God so I guess that's my she probably

Christygoes to God first and then if that doesn't work then she gets divorced I think she's praying not to get divorced because your last thing have any of you broke up with a guy because you were bored with him

Adam22be honest no I think that's a valid reason I've never broken up with someone from boredom no for sure I've stopped talking to girls because I just got bored it's like the most reasonable thing there you go yeah there you go could get what if you get bored in

Adam22marriage um anybody final thoughts before we wrap up here I just want to say that like I feel you when you're like citing your stipulations for marrying a girl in like low body count or whatever but what I'll say is that

Adam22it's the intangibles when it comes to a girl because I can say that I have been at the lowest points in my life and she

Adam22was somebody who you know was just there for me 100 of the time cared about resuscitating oh yeah this is what is that yo Nick I think it turned the lights off

Adam22in the in the bathroom or something has that been that just started right I think it's the fan and oh okay all right sorry about anyway my point was just that like

Adam22the value that you can get in a relationship or whatever is like there was just times in my life where I was going through the hardest possible and like she cared for me like as if it was herself going through it you know

Adam22and like that is like something that if I had been like when I met her like oh you got a couple dozen bodies or whatever so I'm not going to take you seriously it would have been like a catastrophic mistake in retrospect so I would encourage dudes out there just to

Lena The Plugnot write a girl off just because she'd been around the block I was the one who drove the whole prenup process so it's like not every girl's just there to like take your money and leave when you're down and like I don't know I just feel like there's like all these you got a lot of money too but then also yeah but

Lena The Plugit's like I have the same prenup lawyer as Britney Spears and Kim Kardashian but I don't know I just like you know you're saying like oh dude did you ever leave a guy because you were just bored like is that what you really think girls break

Adam22that's the number one reason like it's nothing but but it does happen but I feel like guys guys break up with girls because they're bored too sure yeah I think it's a pretty good reason you know I've just never done it if you're just

Lena The Plugnot interested anymore then I mean it sounds like it's probably I mean you could work on it but you might I feel like maybe that's what guys got when the girl's telling her why she's breaking up with him he's like oh she was just bored of me but like maybe she was making some really valid points but he was not

Ruslanhearing yeah I would just add the there's a book called the good news about marriage and it dispels this entire myth that there's a 50 divorce rate that when you actually look at the numbers I was never actually a rate that was a projection when no fault divorce

Ruslanpassed but the real divorce rate's around 38 when you feel alive when you factor in people who make above average income and and get this practice their faith and attend church regularly the divorce rate falls off the cliff

Ruslancompletely and I think there's something to that do you know what it falls down to I believe 15 people practicing born-again Christians who or Catholics who attend church take their faith seriously it's between it's between 10 and 15 percent

Lila Roseit's better my last word is marriage is awesome but as Isabella wrestling a lot of people said at this table it's about trying to be the best you can be serving God serving other people and then dating

Lila Rosereally intentionally you know not dating for Less not dating for just hanging out but dating it for is this someone I could marry ultimately and striving to be the kind of person you'd want to marry I also wanted to say just like one

Brenna/Madisonlast thing I always had like a just like a slight bone to pick with like open relationships because I just thought they were kind of fake but like talking to you guys today like I can tell your guy your guys's relationship is really

Brenna/Madisonreal you know what I mean and like about like the what Lila said they're like 92 percent of um non-monogamous monogamous relationships are failures and like the

Brenna/Madisonnumber one factor to that was if you didn't have a healthy relationship to start with but you guys really seem like you do have a really healthy happier we also don't really have like the typical polyamorous relationship where we're like you know oh it's Friday night and

Adam22she's off banging some dude and I'm banging some girl you know it's like that that's what I picture when I think of the average like open relationship and I do definitely imagine that those uh have a hard time lasting you know for

Christyus it's more of a on camera thing so but yeah anybody else anybody else since everyone cares about rates so much I don't know why they don't understand the ratio thing but that's why

Adam22don't understand why it's a lot of things seem very hypocritical that's where I'm gonna end and the YouTube shorts editor who can put together the best ratio talk a compilation from this

Adam22we will all gladly comment and con and engage because we all are looking forward to something absolutely all right well uh oh we have one last

Brian Atlaschat here we have Scott females on the panel need to stop talking about divorce like as if it was a 50 50 initiated act it is not females overwhelmingly

Brian Atlasinitiate divorce 80 percent they keep the kids 50 of what the man has worked for if marriage is so important sign the Purina at the very least get a prenup I that's

Adam22a strong recommendation okay cool especially if there's a big imbalance in terms of income because like we know couples who got married when they like when they were both on the same level like broke and then one person ended up

Adam22making you know millions of dollars per year while the other person basically stayed broke and man that person really wishes they had a prenup so if there's any kind of like potential differential going into the

Brian Atlasfuture for income that's when the prenup really becomes important now I think but there's certainly uh probably some women that are going to have an issue with uh signing a prenup and and only fans is the rare situation

Brian Atlaswhere like the woman might end up making a hundred times more than she was making sure the beginning of the relationship yeah just reminder prenups are not bulletproof they can't you know they can you can get minute if you're motivated

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