Adam22, Lena The Plug vs. Lila Rose, Isabella DeLuca, Ruslan | Dating Talk #93

Date: 2023-08-23

Duration: 4h 28m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLena The Plug >

CChristy (DT94)>

BBrenna (DT93)>

MMadison (DT94)>

IIsabella DeLuca >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Ruslan(guest)

SPEAKER_02Lena The Plug(guest)

SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_04Adam22(guest)

SPEAKER_06Christy(guest)

SPEAKER_07Lila Rose(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brenna/Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brenna(guest)

SPEAKER_10Isabella DeLuca(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteLena The Plug introduces herself: 32yo OnlyFans creator and mom, married to Adam22.

“hi everyone I'm Lena the plug I'm 32 years old and I'm an only fans Creator and a mom”

QuoteAdam22 explains Lena's first MFM scene with Jason Love was framed as a "wedding present" joke — but it was actually a pre-wedding agreement. Jason Love later had beef with Adam by talking on podcasts.

“we were talking because we were thinking about doing like a sort of like game show type thing or like an American Idol type tryout thing for us to find the next dude”

QuoteLila Rose states she and her husband practice fidelity as a sacred promise; intimacy is for marriage alone. First response to Adam22 and Lena's open arrangement.

“Fidelity is really really big we think that's part of being married is that it's a sacred promise to each other”

QuoteAdam22 describes watching Lena's C-section and realizing he is committed to her for life regardless of circumstances.

“I'm watching the doctor slice her stomach open and pull the baby out like The Lion King and I'm just witnessing that and just realizing like oh I am sticking around like it does not matter”

QuoteLena explains the Jason Love MFM scene: it was a business decision, not infidelity, because it was fully disclosed. Not cheating because they discussed it beforehand.

“for us if it's not cheating or infidelity because it was all you know talked about... if I was texting Jason right now probably that would be considered cheating but me having... told my husband...that was not cheating”

QuoteAdam22 describes their open relationship as primarily on-camera only; almost never hook up with others off-camera. Distinguishes from Destiny-style full polyamory.

“we almost never in the past like three four years have really hooked up with anybody off camera not that we have anything against it it just hasn't really it just it's primarily a work thing”

QuoteAdam discloses body count of approximately 600.

“like 600-ish 600-ish okay”

QuoteLila Rose cites stat: 56% of divorces list pornography as a reason; the top site for trafficking victims is porn sites.

“56 of divorces list pornographies of one of the partners as one of the top reasons... the top site that trafficked victims are at according to the data is porn show sites”

QuoteLila Rose reveals she was a virgin when she married at age 30 and was mocked for it; advocates normalizing virginity before marriage.

“I got married at 30 and I was a virgin and people were like you're so crazy you're so weird like how could that be”

QuoteRuslan reads Matthew 5:27-28 ("You have heard it said you shall not commit adultery but I say to you anyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery") to argue porn is a sin by Christ's own words.

“this is Jesus speaking it's in red he says you have heard that it was said You shall not commit adultery but I say to you”

QuoteChristy self-discloses body count of approximately 22, describing it as very low given her opportunities as an OnlyFans creator.

“mine's probably around 22... that is a very very low body count... compared to how many opportunities I have on a daily basis”

QuoteLila Rose discloses body count as 1 — her husband only. She was a virgin when she married at 30.

“it's eighteen is Lila... it's just my husband one”

QuoteBrenna tells the story of meeting a man from the phone number on the side of his truck, going on a date and discovering he was a little person, then faking an emergency to escape the date.

“I see this guy pull up in a truck next to me and I'm like oh he's kind of cute and he's like call me... my mom comes upstairs she's like Bren your date's here... and I walk outside and he's a legit [little person]”

QuoteBrenna shares ghosting story: ex-boyfriend of 2.5 years disappeared entirely — all belongings gone; his father called her father to end things. She never heard from him again.

“I came home one weekend he was gone all of his stuff was gone and then his dad reached out to mine to tell me it was over and I haven't heard from him since”

QuoteAdam22 argues he would not pay for the first date if the woman out-earns him; but ultimately paid for Lena's first date (diner). Explains paying is peacocking to signal financial stability.

“I feel like I understand there's like a value to the peacocking that you're doing by paying it's just like sort of demonstrating that you're not broke”

QuoteAdam22 reflects that the intangibles — Lena's loyalty during his lowest moments — made her irreplaceable regardless of her body count history.

“I have been at the lowest points in my life and she was somebody who you know was just there for me 100 of the time... it would have been like a catastrophic mistake in retrospect [to write her off for body count]”

QuoteRuslan cites "The Good News About Marriage" book: real divorce rate is ~38%, and for practicing born-again Christians who attend church it drops to 10-15%.

“the real divorce rate's around 38 when you feel alive when you factor in people who make above average income and get this practice their faith... the divorce rate falls off the cliff... between 10 and 15 percent”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Show Announcements

Brian opens show from Santa Barbara CA, introduces co-host Ashley Sinclair (formerly Kiki). Guests introduce themselves: Lena The Plug (32yo OF creator/mom), Adam22 (39yo podcaster), Christy (33yo OF model), Brenna (34yo publicist), Madison (18yo SBCC student/Whatever staff), Lila Rose (34yo Live Action founder), Ruslan (38yo YouTuber/Christian speaker), Isabella DeLuca (23yo conservative influencer/Think Tank fellow). Relationship status round: Lena married to Adam 7 years; Christy single 5 months; Brenna/Madison single; Lila married 15 years; Ruslan married 15 years; Isabella dating 1 month; Brian longest relationship ~1 year.

Adam22 & Lena The Plug: Open Relationship, Porn Career, MFM Scene

Extended discussion of Adam and Lena's marriage and content career. Lena's first MFM scene with Jason Love (framed as "wedding present" joke). Jason Love had beef with Adam after the scene by "yapping" on podcasts. Plan for future MFM partner selection ("American Idol"-style tryout). Adam and Lena discuss only shooting together (Adam did one solo scene when Lena had stomach virus). Adam explains need to clear sexual thought via masturbation. Discussion of whether their arrangement constitutes cheating — agreed it does not because fully disclosed. Lena: "if I was texting Jason right now probably that would be considered cheating but me having told my husband...that was not cheating."

Pornography Debate: Harm vs. Personal Freedom

Lila Rose and Ruslan vs. Adam22 and Christy on pornography's societal impact. Lila: average porn entry age 13; 56% of divorces list porn; trafficking victims appear on major porn sites; Utah porn law and PornHub withdrawing due to underage users. Christy: parents should parent better; kids shouldn't have iPads. Adam: porn is like alcohol — harmful to some, neutral for most; first saw porn at 11 from dumpster magazines. Isabella: no-middle-ground is unrealistic but age verification should exist. Ruslan: secular removal of God from society correlates with rising STIs, divorce, suicide. Lila advocates for federal age verification law.

Logan Paul vs. Dylan Danis / Body Count Debate

Discussion prompted by Dylan Danis attempting to embarrass Logan Paul by posting about his fiancee's past. Christy's "body count ratio" theory introduced: ratio of opportunities taken vs. offered matters more than raw number. Lena: double standard for men vs. women. Lila: consistent standard should apply to both sexes. Ruslan: body count matters, harder to pair-bond with higher numbers, statistically proven. Adam: 40-body-count girlfriend at 22 made him reconsider, but now would not write off Lena for her history. Christy self-discloses ~22 body count. Brenna: does not know her number. Lila: husband only (1). Ruslan: not disclosed. Isabella: history matters for current relationship, but redemption exists. Adam: ~600.

Religion, Sex, and Morality Debate

Ruslan reads Matthew 5:27-28 (lust as adultery). Lila explains theology: sex is for unity and procreation within marriage; porn creates lust, which is a sin by design. Christy argues she only did content with her boyfriend and does not feel she sinned. Ruslan: porn is like cocaine to cocoa leaf — processed form becomes harmful. Adam: neither masturbation nor porn has negatively affected his life. Christy: "I'm Catholic, I have a very good connection with God." Discussion of God's love as accepting where you are while desiring more for you (Ruslan's Adam-daughter analogy). Isabella: sex is sacred within marriage per the Commandments.

Abortion Discussion

Lila Rose: 2500 abortions per day in the US; sky-high numbers because people don't take sex seriously. Brenna: abortion can be justified in some circumstances (finances, abusive relationship). Lila: never justifiable to kill an innocent child; many abortions are coerced by abusive partners. Isabella: conservative, pro-life, was in an abusive relationship but did not have an abortion. Christy: pro-life, has never had a pregnancy scare. Discussion of financial circumstances as reason for abortion — Brian challenges if that is a valid justification.

Body Count Round (Direct)

Explicit body count disclosure round. Adam: ~600. Lena: will not disclose (advised by Adam not to). Christy: ~22 ("very low given opportunities"). Brenna: does not know / "30ish." Lila: 1 (husband only). Ruslan: not disclosed. Isabella: not disclosed (former engagement referenced). Brian: not disclosed.

Dating App Profiles Review

Brian reviews Isabella's Hinge profile live on show: notes all photos have filters/makeup. Christy shows Coffee Meets Bagel profile (kicked off Bumble for promoting OnlyFans; also on Hinge previously). Brian argues filters on dating apps are misrepresentation. Christy reads her Coffee Meets Bagel bio: "I have to weed out the weak... I hate feminism and I love toxic masculinity... men and women are not equals." Discussion of Christy's new breast augmentation (6 weeks prior). Brian and panel discuss catfishing via filters and whether dating app photos should be unfiltered.

How to Make Men Great Again

Panel asked how to make men great again. Christy: men are natural providers/protectors/hunters; society forces feminine energy on men to eliminate identity and control population. Ruslan: men should be in communities with older couples mentoring them. Isabella: no-fault divorce devalued marriage; people need to take marriage more seriously. Brian: find a traditional woman with low body count, no cluster B personality disorders, and no children from another man before marrying. Lila: marriage is awesome when both partners strive to be their best and serve each other.

Jealousy in Adam & Lena's Relationship

Q&A segment on jealousy in Adam and Lena's relationship (prompted by TTS donation from a fan couple). Lena: early jealousy during threesomes when not sure where they stood; desensitized over time. Adam: mild jealousy when he complimented another girl's Instagram in front of Lena; strong jealousy during Jason Love scene. Lena felt jealous during Adam's drunk podcast with grabby girls while pregnant. Adam: "some degree of jealousy is inevitable and is a sign of a healthy relationship." Ruslan: avoids situations that would cause jealousy. Lila: natural wiring for monogamy makes desensitization concerning.

First Date Paying Debate

Extended debate on who should pay on first dates. Brian: not obliged to pay; prefers splitting as sign of equality. Lena: Adam paid on first date (diner). Adam: paying is peacocking — signals financial stability; also a test to filter women just there for free dinner. Isabella: women contribute by getting dressed and doing makeup (takes time). Lila: paying signals provider dynamic — "I want to be a provider." Christy: would let a man pay, prefers it. Brian explains "gangster" strategy: arrive early, get own drink before she arrives so no obligation. Discussion of "foodie calls" — women going on dates for free food.

Marriage Skepticism vs. Pro-Marriage Debate

Brian: strongly resistant to legal marriage due to divorce laws, community property, alimony. Lila: custody issues exist even without marriage; preparing well for marriage reduces divorce risk. Adam: having a child made marriage feel obvious and important. Ruslan: real divorce rate ~38% (not 50%); drops to ~15% for practicing born-again Christians who attend church regularly. Isabella: people treat marriage as escapable due to no-fault divorce. Brian: three criteria for men considering marriage — no child from another man, no cluster B disorder, low body count. Lena: initiated prenup process with same lawyer as Britney Spears and Kim Kardashian.

Transcript

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Adam22I don't know just not into it but guys having preferences is quite often looked at as if they're being like hateful or negative towards women whereas women are perfectly safe to say that they hate midgets and they don't want anything to

Adam22do with a fat guy or a short guy whatever but like I don't know it is kind of like a weird thing that we do where when a guy has a strong preference it's kind of viewed as like I don't actually anyone who doesn't fit into that cabinet care I just wanted to know

Lena The Pluglike the root of it like what was it why was it like you thought less of those women for some reason or you know uh I mean it's I think partially in the S aesthetic thing I don't think it you're

Brian Atlasjust not attracted to it I'm not attracted to it I do think it can be I do think it can be a potential indicator of some sort of not always but it could be an indicator of

Brian Atlaslike I don't want to date a woman who's like deeply insecure to the point where maybe it's maybe she wants to do it to level up who knows what the motivations

Brian Atlasare but I do have a suspicion that some component of undergoing these invasive dangerous plastic surgeries is you're

Brian Atlasinsecure about your physical appearance to some degree to the point that you're prepared to also I mean there's a you know you're this is someone you want to build a life with uh there's certainly an argument to be made is this like if

Brian Atlasyou're going to be sharing your resources sharing your money joint bank account is she gonna in 10 years have to re-read because you have to redo the fake breasts for example I don't know

Christywhat the cases you have to redo it to do it after 10 years like you might want to but you don't have so you can just leave it I'm not I

TTS Reader-45 I didn't prefer natural over fake because they want the genes from the mother and cosmetic surgery is a false perception yeah that's a good point I

Lila Rosethink that's a good point I think um if there's something like physically wrong like a cleft lip or you know you mentioned like a condition after pregnancy and there's a correction that needs to take place that involves plastic surgery it's totally understandable

Lila Roseum but generally speaking I do think body except you know body acceptance for bodies that are striving to be healthy and care for themselves is a good thing because everybody's different and I think there's someone for everyone

Lila Rosethat's called to be married the way that they are provided they're striving to be healthy sleeping working out eating healthy and things like that so I think it's a good thing in culture to you know not to be judgmental people that choose

Lila Rosethat but it's good to celebrate natural beauty and I do think that unfortunately today because of porn in part and also just you know digital media and all this stuff there are these sort of inflated

Lila Rosebeauty standards that are not not just not realistic but they're actually not the only kind of beauty you know there are all kinds of beauty and my opinion is that any woman who's seeking to be

Lila Rosehealthy and and personally living a beautiful interior Life is Beautiful like she has a unique beauty and there's someone for her especially if she's called a marriage so that's the hope for all of us you know I completely agree on

Christyall of my only fans videos actually with my ex I looked like this I didn't have my boobs they just got them and I don't FaceTime I didn't face up and I think you're more attractive like that thank you and you know what a lot of my fans

Christysaid don't get boobs don't get boobs but you know what I wanted to get them for myself I'm not gonna do it for someone else it's the only surgery I have it's the only surgery I'll ever get but you know what if you needed a hip

Christyreplacement or an ear placement or you were in some sort of accident you would get surgery too dude

ChristyI okay as without tits I get it I just want to do this for myself are you comparing

Christymedically indicated corrective surgery too well you're saying like surgery big deal and I'm not pro plastic surgery like most yeah I don't object to hip

Brian Atlasreplacements yeah I know but it's kind of hypocritical because how's it like well it's so critical so many people that I know actually have had to get

Christysurgery for like health reasons and I I only got one surgery in my whole life a lot of people have had multiple surgeries a lot of people have broken legs arms whatever yeah yeah let me let me just let me just address her thing

Brian Atlasreally quick I'm not opposed to medically indicated surgery but the fact of the matter we can agree that you think I looked hot without tits

Brian Atlassure I'll just agree to disagree stop it it's hot as without tits I just wanted them but okay all right why are you comparing like

Christysomeone who needs to undergo like there's so many people that have had surgery

Isabella DeLucaI don't object to appendectomy it's like not a big deal if someone wants one surgery there's a he's just saying that there's a difference between like a life-saving surgery and like I'm not pro

Adam22surgeries but basically like she got one surgery but she could have got a lot of surgeries so her ratio is really good right true all right and I could have got a lot of surgeries because I was in

Ruslana car accident yes all right all of this sounds extremely complicated where the line is between what's appropriate and what's not appropriate potentially life-threatening procedures like we just saw the young lady who passed away from

Ruslana mommy makeover it was all over the news super sad left behind a whole thing Kanye West's mom yeah Kanye West mom so all I'm going to say all I want to say is and I genuinely I'm not I'm not trying to troll yeah

Ruslanwhat Lila said was this beautiful picture of this Acceptance in a marriage and also Desiring to take care of yourself for your partner to serve your partner right and I've been with my wife

Ruslan15 years we've both been overweight I've been obese she's had kids we've been really we're in better shape now we're lean it's something that's a value of ours my question would just simply be it

Ruslanseems like well we've all tried all of these things we've tried all of these ideologies and all these puzzles that we have to piece together being a Conservative Christian but still being about all these other things that

Ruslanseeming congruent has any have you guys ever genuinely considered like trying Jesus repenting of your sin and really applying God's wisdom yeah for

Ruslanyour life and I'm not and that's not just not so much genuinely asking you you you're Armenian our people have a beautiful Rich history we're the first Armenian Nation we didn't have a written language until we translated the Bible into a written language we have an

Ruslanamazing which the most persecuted church right so like like genuinely like it seems like we've tried all these other things we've tried doing it our own way we're trying all this idea I'm trying all these where's the line and I'll you know have we genuinely ever looked at at

Ruslanthe scriptures and and considered that maybe Jesus is who he says he is maybe he is God maybe he's not a lie maybe he's not a lunatic maybe he's not a good prophet and genuinely repented of our ways and tried it God's way

ChristyI a thousand percent believe in God and Jesus and know all that but you don't understand my point of view

Ruslanacting like I don't have a Bible Christy you've proven your point I asked you a genuine question my answer is yes to your question so you've repented of your sins you've placed your faith in Jesus you've gone

Isabella DeLucato church you've lived your life with God's wish thousand percent yeah that's what I'm doing what you're doing and then that's your opinion are you God that's right

Christynot my fault that Eve ate the apple what are you talking about it's literally it's the first person who sinned God wanted us to all be naked and free can we get everybody else would

Christythat be okay you keep repeating you keep thinking you know God's opinion and you know my thoughts on yeah

Ruslanit's giving us the Bible so that we can live our lives accordingly I understand I have a Bible on you I understand I understand like what would happen if the all of society actually implemented the wisdom

Isabella DeLucaof God like genuine question if people waited until marriage to get married I mean wait wait until marriage to have sex if people didn't go and sleep around and have one night I think people would be way more fulfilled than they are now and I think what

Isabella DeLucaSociety is quickly like with our generation is a lot of people try and fill these voids that they have with so many other destructive things that leads them down a path to further destructive

Christydestructiveness they're not happy and they keep doing like worse things to kind of fill that void but the problem is you weren't made to live like this

ChristySociety was built up against God and how we're made like I don't think I don't think someone wakes up one day and says I want to do only family no that's not what happened and I want to can I finish

Isabella DeLucamy thought of course thank you I wanted someone wakes up one day they say I want to do porn I want to do only fans it kind of starts off with like dabbling into things that you shouldn't and then it leads more down like this path where

Christyyou're now invested in doing what you're doing now that's what Society did I don't believe in societal Norms in general societal Norms

Christyare not godly societal Norms are not what God intended us to do but you're not supposed to live no [Music]

Christyand having a relationship and loving someone do you think God's will is for you to do only fans and porn I don't think God gives a you don't think

ChristyGod no I I don't think I think what I'm doing for my life because he knows that I'm connected to him that's not how this works I don't care that you think

Christyfashion I don't think God doesn't love me because I have a job of course I love you we're not gonna agree on it dude okay can we open up everybody else

Ruslanyeah truthfully I I uh you're asking me about religion specifically about Jesus about changing your faith on the resurrection of Jesus

Brian Atlasand living your life is where I'm a man of God that's all I can say yeah I think I'll just leave it at that so believe me God

Adam22knows the truth um personally you know I've done quite a bit of research and digging and trying to convince myself that Jesus was a real person or that I should be invested in his teachings haven't really uh been too

Adam22convinced so I'm still kind of waiting to be convinced that uh this is something I should put my energy into the vast majority of thinkers that I respect uh or read or listen to are

Adam22atheists so for me personally it's not really an issue like there's just not enough evidence to me that there's anything of value to offer from Christianity I think that if we were to

Adam22be looking for a book that we could kind of Base our morality on I don't really think the Bible is the best book to live our lives based on it just seems like even within the Ten Commandments there's a lot of important stuff that's left out of the Ten Commandments and a bunch of

Brian Atlasthat really doesn't seem like it belongs there so to me it's definitely not happening let's uh let's just try to Circle it back to dating and let me do a couple chats here so I have

Brian Atlaspuffy Vegas this all women I have never met women hello seriously call me at four every woman I've ever interacted gave me a 10 out of 10.

Brian Atlaslike all his photos were with women in Vegas I'm confused he's very upset at you he is paying for their time I would go he uh every woman gives him a 10 out of 10. he might have been paying them

Adam22would you like to apologize to Mr puffy Vegas I would like to invite him to come on to my live streams and donate as much money as he's donated tonight there's this guy seems like I'm sorry for hurting your feelings but I uh had to be

Brian Atlashonest with my answer honesty is the best policy we have Alpha Sigma mindset Brian love the show keep it up blonde o f chick is so delusional I'm currently

Brian Atlascreating a new brand to help men survive in the world thank you cue for the panel how do we make men great again hashtag Alpha Sigma mindset we'll go around the

Lena The Plugpanel on this why don't we start with uh Lenin go around how do we make men great again oh God man it's so hard to think about how to answer this question you just killed that one that was amazing

Adam22I love you um actually let me think of all the things you don't do uh how do we make men great again great again I think what's important is guys like me and Brian who are out here

Adam22are the liberal establishment and creating raw content for men teaching them valuable life skills that will allow them to excel in life and not caring about what Anderson Cooper has to

Christysay about it I think that's how we're going to make man great again no jumper podcast go subscribe just an idea there you have it thank you all right uh what about you men are natural providers they're about they're natural

ChristyHunters they're natural protectors females are a natural caretakers we can push babies out of our vaginas we make

Christyhomes we make families you make men great Again by being protectors by being providers by doing those masculine

Christythings that Society is pushing against them Society is trying to make males take on feminine energy and female zegon

Christymasculine energy and they're doing it so that they no one has an identity anymore so they can control us all so how do we make men great again be providers protectors and caretakers do you think

Brian Atlasmen should stop watching adult content in order to be great again I think men should be their wives so no one else needs to watch it but wouldn't that come at the detriment of yourself maybe

Christybut I wouldn't have been in this situation then I am and if there if men were taking care of their women and women were taking care of their men well so you're saying if you were married I'm

Christysaying our jobs wouldn't exist if men and women were living the way God intended them in the first place I'm just curious how do you wipe

Christymy ass because the nails are girls girls don't poop you know that right this one is this true is this true she pooped in

Brian Atlasfront of me on like this we don't fart either we don't sweat we glisten wow I'm learning Anatomy today science just kidding just kidding I

Christydon't know why uh okay but I've heard the strategy is you have to rap the toilet paper how do you wipe you can get some toilet paper over here I've never taken a in my life I

Brian Atlasdon't do anal you could still uh I never have how do I have these white nails so clean it's not so much the color of the nails I'm just like because doesn't it like

ChristyI'm just thinking the logistics of yeah but you don't think a lot of things through so you know what do you what do you mean I think what what have I not okay so I mean I I do pee and I do white

Christymyself and my nails don't get in my way you know what nails actually like this get in your way or when you're wearing very thin leggings and you try to pull them off and it pokes holes in them

Christythat's the only time it gets in the way you've poked holes in some leggings before when it was back in the day and the sharp nails this was in like 2014 when the sharp nails were in yeah I

Christypoked a lot of holes so you never got any poop on your fingernails no except for my dogs except for my dogs not of mine

Brian Atlaswe uh how do we make men great again go ahead Bren

Brennahurt us so it's like these guys just think the next best thing is a swipe away isn't that what the women think too not really I don't know I feel like it's women who

Isabella DeLucawant the relationships and it's really up to the men to determine if they want to then go ahead and pursue them like in my like from what I hear from my friends it's always the woman who wants to like have the relationship and then it's the man who's like the women overwhelming

Brian Atlasany options for men women overwhelmingly end relationships what's the stat on that yeah well I mean we could I don't know if they've done it yeah where did you get these stats

Brian Atlaswell okay let's speak about marriage women are more likely to initiate divorces but also I would say that this stays true even in relationships but of the women here at this table uh let's

Brian Atlasjust more often than not when it in uh when you're talking to a guy whether it's you've been on one two three dates with them or you've been in a long-term multi-year relationship with

Lena The Plughim more often than not are you ending things or is he ending things uh let's maybe start with you I'm trying to think um my relationship before him was with a girl so I don't know if it counts but

Lena The Plugmaybe with a guy let's say I guess um in the dating space I feel like it was pretty split but I feel like the guys they just ghosted yeah yeah the guys want to play the game

Adam22and bang every single girl that they can and the girls are you know kind of begrudgingly giving up some so that they can try to get the guy to take him seriously girlfriend candidate it totally depends on like what your dating

Lila Rosepool looks like based on what you allow because it's kind of described in La for the most part you know there's a lot of crazy people everywhere people who live crazy lives but there's also a lot of people who are trying to live good lives and I think the key is just people

Lila Rosefinding each other that share the values and that can be really hard I know a lot of singles are complaining like it's so hard to find somebody but you know I think if you're putting yourself into places where there's other people that share your values then you're more likely to find them and you're not just

Lena The Pluggoing to find the people that are looking to sleep together you know or just have sex with you and then leave but I do feel like with the dating apps it's like I think both parties feel like oh people are just disposable like that's so sad yeah yeah no and I remember like I used to my way of

Adam22meeting girls was just going to bars and clubs and just trying to talk to random girls and I learned a lot of like you know real you know helpful techniques and tactics on like how to communicate with people in my life through that and

Adam22then at some point it kind of became like Tinder and Bumble and the game for me in my head of like you know just sort of being in the mentality of trying to get some new girls every week was just like oh I'm gonna sit here for a half

Adam22hour at a time and swipe on this app and write the same message over and over and it just started to feel kind of gross and that's like that's why I think I was kind of primed to get into a relationship around the time I met her because I had become sort of disgruntled

Lila Roseand unhappy with where I was at relationship I think I think it totally depends on your goals going into it because if you're going into like a dating app experience with okay I want to have a hookup or I'm expecting sex before commitment or things like that

Lila Roseyou're going to get a totally different outcome I think typically speaking than if you go into it saying I'm dating to ultimately find the one to marry and that's the person that shares my values I'd raise kids with you know I'd want to

Lila Roselike build a family life project with so it that really I think is a natural filter when you look at who are the options and then you'll also find like yeah dating apps are powerful and can I know a ton of people who met their

Lila Rosespouses through dating apps so they can be really effective but then couple that with you are you putting yourself out there like going to places that you think you could meet that future spouse too I think that combination is back can maximize success but if you're just

Lila Rosegetting together with people and like having sex on that first date or just you know sleeping together before marriage you're that's that's a different value set that you're engaging and that you know what is what is the goal what is the goal of of your dating I think it has to be the question of

Christyevery person getting into it I actually completely agree with you and Isabella I think I've been misunderstood by both of you but that's actually how I go into every single potential date and person

Christythat I give a chance to date that's awesome and I'm very very picky I have my intuition but like that is the mindset that I go into everyone that I

Christygive a chance to and attempt to date whether it lasts a month three months six months a year Etc but and and then going back to your point I do think that

Christythe female naturally does want the relationship more than the man and I think I don't think it used to be that way I think the dating apps created like

Adam22the boy like the It gave guys too many different options no but that's biological because like guys have always been able to create a child or you know have sex with someone and then

Isabella DeLucajust keep it moving and then a woman has to deal with the long-term remember occasions yeah you said too about like the chase like how men are hunters and I do like believe that and I think that the dating apps both for men and women

Isabella DeLucamakes it really easy for women to not be pursued and men not have to chase people think that it's you know men that are just really wanting like to hook up women are just as bad too and I've seen it like even but but at Adam's Point

Lila Roselike you said earlier before Lena like you were sleeping with all these girls and you were unfulfilled and that kind and that that experience of realizing hey this isn't fulfilling me like hooking up with all these girls is not fulfilling me and then you fell in love

Lila Rosewith Lena and you want to build a life with her alone I think that shows like men are I know this is unpopular people don't like saying this but I think men are made for monogamy I do and I think that you know Ruslan my husband there's

Ruslana ton of men living that maybe they're not on social media talking about all the time but I know dozens and dozens of men who are living that yeah and they're happy that way it's a piggyback that monogamy is in the man's best interest if we're talking hunters and gatherers

Ruslanwho's going to take care of the kid your Offspring don't survive if you don't stick around right second thing I want to say is we're talking about what would make men great again I think ultimately is the ability to delay gratification and if you don't have that you're going

Ruslanto just run through as many girls as you can creating more women or high body counts creating more unwanted pregnancies and so I think men to be the priest provider protector got to get back to learning how to delay gratification not just give in to all

Lila Rosetheir fleshly desires Lila what can we do to make men great again did you answer that I haven't answered that yet um Richland had a great point just now how do we make men great again I think men are already made to be

Lila Rosecompletely I think they're made in the image of God and I think that men pursuing virtue and you can't pursue virtue if you don't Ascent to a higher morality like if you say I get to decide whatever morality is and I'm just going

Lila Roseto do what I feel like you're never going to be who you're made to be you're always going to be limited by your next impulse your next lust your next immediate fleeting desire lifelong happiness and all the social data proves

Lila Roseus to lifenong happiness comes through growing in virtue and having for those called to marriage that lifelong committed exclusive monogamous marriage and I want that for men I want that for

Lila Rosewomen and we just have to say this openly and like not denigrate men and say oh men can't do it or women are or and can't do it no we can all rise above and do it yo Matthew thank you man

TTS Readerhey Brian here with Bubala Emily make your tree oh hey guys we love lean and Adam you two are an inspiration for us in our relationship as we are also quite

Adam22non-conventional we wanted to ask have you two ever experienced jealousy if so how did you navigate it isn't this the boyfriend of the girl who was on the most recent stream that we listened to

Adam22on the way here see I'm getting my whatever knowledge up yes that is do we ever experience jealousy for sure especially early on like when we were doing threesomes and stuff she would get quite jealous and you know even me more

Adam22recently with the Jason love plot line I definitely was a little jealous at first I mean for us being people that do porn it's something where we kind of just have to navigate it because it's sort of

Adam22part of the job but I I mean even I feel like a huge percentage of people that I know in relationships you know I have a friend who I've seen him like you know get into an argument with his girlfriend because she went to the store with a sports bra on and just to like

Adam22buy something and that kind of like clicked in my head of like oh like every guy is dealing with jealousy to some extent you know like uh even if it's something way more minor than the stuff like that I might feel or think

Lena The Plugabout I don't know what about for you I feel like in the beginning of our relationship when I wasn't really sure where we stood where we were dating and I wasn't sure like how much Adam really liked me but we were having three sons I feel like I got like a little bit more

Lena The Plugjealous because I felt more in competition with the other girl even though I was like really enjoying the experience and it would bring us closer afterwards but as we did more and more threesomes I got more desensitized to

Adam22seeing him with another woman like it didn't like really do anything for me I mean to me but once in a while like yeah I get like a little jealous because the other day we did a plug talk episode where we interviewed the girl and then sleep with her after it's our genius

Lena The Plugpodcast available onlyplugtalk.com and it's like commenting on certain Instagram pictures she had like oh I've seen this one picture of you you look really hot and I was like Hey like and she told me afterwards I got like a noise yeah she felt a little jealous

Adam22because she was able to actually picture me looking at this girl's Instagram seeing her in a certain pose in a certain picture and being attractive enough to follow her back and DM her and ask her if she wanted to come on the show and so I say that to just say that

Adam22I think some degree of jealousy is is totally normal or even like while she was pregnant there was one time where I did a podcast with a bunch of drunk girls and one of them was like Pawn all over me just like grabbing at me and

Adam22stuff and just being way too extra and she was like very jealous afterwards and it was like almost like a reminder to her of like oh I do care about you because like you know after the pregnancy or while pregnant yeah but

Adam22like you you thought like in that moment you said that you had kind of lost the ability to be jealous because you were so well to be honest it was like the sleep deprivation jealousy needs to exist in a healthy relationship

Adam22I just think it's kind of inevitable at some point you know but if it's not there is the relationship unhealthy not necessarily but I think it's kind of like a sign of healthy relationship but also if it takes over your relationship

Ruslanand you find yourself like obsessing over it especially when the girl really hasn't done anything wrong or vice versa then that's probably a sign that I don't think me and my wife ever put ourselves to situations where the other one is jealous so I don't think it has to exist

Lila Rosewe just have boundaries with each other well and I think like another thing is like being I think you use the word desensitized at one point Lena and I think that we are sensitive as women and as men so when we're in a marriage

Lila Roseespecially or any relationship really to that other person being with someone else because I think again back to monogamy like I think that is we're naturally wired to want that and so the the thing is like what wristline is

Lila Rosesaying and like my in our marriage it's like how do we respect and like protect that vulnerability yeah because we don't want to make the other person jealous you know we don't want to create space for that in the relationship and that's

Lila Rosewhere Fidelity and boundaries can be so powerful to protect that really precious thing which is you're intimacy I mean there's nothing more precious in my life besides my faith than my my intimacy and I know that that you know you've said that that's really valuable to you guys

Brian Atlastoo so Okay Madison uh how do we make men great again

Brenna/MadisonSociety a lot or just people have very high expectations of men and to truly make men great again

Brenna/Madisonhonestly just truly discovering yourself finding your unique purpose in this world like societal Norms aside like don't try to be someone that everyone wants you to

Isabella DeLucabe just trying to find yourself and trying to be someone that you want to be beautiful Isabella what about you um I would say probably adding on to what Lila had said just by embracing their masculinity I think Society puts

Isabella DeLucadown men a lot a lot of that are intrinsic biological Natures like protectiveness and you know all these things and wanting to be a provider as and they label them as toxic and so I

Isabella DeLucathink that men kind of feel afraid to actually be men and I think if they Embrace their masculinity we can make men great again all right I completely agree with that me and you are actually

Brian Atlason like the same page about a lot of things besides for my job says for that promising on the same page she concurs all right we have marquavius Martin here Brian I just sent my picture to your

Brian Atlasemail pull it up on your phone and uh show it let's make sure we do a Google reverser do they not know my name this is really him then after she's online I can reject her please do not

Brian Atlasshow it to the audience you know I need to keep my anonymity because of my company's uh so I'm just going to show it to you you know this guy in real life

Christyagain say it again

ChristyI know that's a good looking guy why don't you know my name what's his rating can I see it I normally only like

Brian Atlasblondes but he looks good he's a handsome guy that's a handsome guy to my DM I would like he doesn't know my name he has saved he's a good friend of mine markovius he has saved me

Brian Atlasfrom a shark attack oh we were outsurfing together in malibujah one time in Hawaii and it was amazing I want to do more of it yeah you gotta do more well you're

Brian Atlasmore BMX guy right you still ride not really anymore for podcasting and old age okay well he saved me we were out surfing Malibu there was a shark and like he just like

Brian Atlaspunched the out of the shark wow saved me are you making this up oh I swear to God it was so sick yes yeah he was like

Brian Atlashe's a very wealthy man he owns like 300 Chick-fil-A's so does he have friends

Brian Atlasa friend yeah he's a legit I think my name is Chrissy it's not blonde you can't have 300 Chick-fil-A oh sorry sorry Waffle House Waffle House my bad Waffle House they're making this up

Christytoday but I don't actually know we uh emails faster

Brian Atlasa big 500 Super Chat from X5 podcast hey thank you man really appreciate your patience thank you the blonde's voice sounds like she ate a

Christyconcrete how come no one knows my name is Christy like I'm not the only blog it's weird that we all know it's not about this yeah exactly like why don't you call me by my name it would be more offensive because it

Isabella DeLucacouldn't because I think I think they just started with blondie in the beginning of the Pod and now it's just kind of I I mean I like being blonde I'm just curious how can one eat a concrete

Brian Atlaspatio yeah a patio yeah a patio the rest of your life I think I I think you're gonna have teeth oh is it gravel maybe like that's a lot of money for a mean

Adam22comment yeah a lot of money thank you but can you just call me Christy from now on because that's what my parents did you ever hear about that guy who ate a car it means Christ actually he like

Adam22took every single different part of the car and like grinded it down into like ball like tiny little chunks and yeah

Brian AtlasI think so yeah isn't there like dangerous chemicals and and like engines and well it probably didn't do like the Oilers yeah okay it used to be like a TLC show and that where people would like yeah where they would like

Christyeat like these things there's like a drywall a mattress a tire I told you a weird story I don't know if I'm allowed to tell it on the podcast though

Christybecause it's probably there it's about someone eating doll heads repeatedly I think that's okay it's actually okay so my ex-boyfriend he

Christyhas a lot of doctors in his family and one of them he had this patient that was a male patient repeatedly eating Barbie doll heads and he kept having to give him

Christysurgery because he kept repeatedly eating the dogs and then finally he was like was he uh I can't come you can't come back to me but the only reason why he was eating the Barbie doll houses

Adam22because every time he pooped him out he would come so it sounds like a well-adjusted guy I think that's worse than porn I'm not gonna lie only being able to come by out

ChristyI don't know why he's yeah up his ass and instead of eat it and

Brian Atlasthen to refuse to keep giving him surgery it was too much yeah yikes what the it was a little bit worse

Brian Atlasokay all right we have SoCal Surfer 805 bro question for the gals I love smashing girls and it's a hobby to make

Brian Atlasgirls come vaginally okay uh with that said fat bro hello why you made

Brian Atlasmake girls come easier what do the girls think about penis enlargement surgery I have seven inches but one of the fatter hog thoughts Haram if it's really seven that's pretty solid to be honest I feel

Brian Atlaslike you should probably just accept what God or whoever gave you yeah don't get maybe use some vibrators too well so show of hands would the girls be cool with a dude who how you gotta take that

Christyto the Grave I would never I would never know I don't think it that surgery actually works isn't that a double standard though yeah see girls are inherently turned off by guys when I'm talking why are you talking

Adam22like I had already started talking so you could just yeah it's true he was talking it's the whole like not interrupting thing that you seem to really be struggling with but like why is it that everybody was talking about Brian like he was some sort of sick

Adam22because he is turned off by girls who've had surgery whereas like every girl seems like they inherently have it within them that they think a guy who puts a little too much effort into it is kind of an odd ball right

Brian Atlasit is a double standard because like a lot of I think a lot of girls would be turned off like if a guy got bicep implants or like bicep they'd be like it looks kind of weird that's how that's my thought even a guy who spends a ton of

Adam22time in the gym and is super serious about his Fitness and his food like a lot of girls are gonna look at him like that's a little weird oh Adam did you see that this was like 20 years ago on

Adam22MTV it was like this weird MTV such a legendary part of my childhood uh yeah he got huge calf implants and that that was like the moment for a lot of us

Adam22where it seemed like we realized like oh dudes have mental illness when in terms of their body too because this guy was so clearly like deranged that he just thought his cabs weren't good enough it

Adam22was a watershed is that yeah but I think in general though like a lot of guys have a really hard time growing their calves so that is a frequent complaint and the stereotypes that black guys have a hard time growing their

Adam22calves do you think part of it could be that the guy isn't willing to put in work to actually get it so that's the Crux though right neither side is willing to put in the work to get it and that's why we frowned upon it but the Cavs in particular it's such a genetic

Lila Rosething and a lot of guys can go crazy on their calves and they'll never grow so I guess that's why there's a lot of stuff to make a happy relationship like there's way more than physicality like

Lila Rosephysical jobs aren't there I mean physicality obviously matters it totally matters but there's a lot more that goes into it I've done a lot of calf raises in my day and I'm not sure they really do too much well it might be my my genetics just

Brian Atlassuck all right we have a chat here from puffy Vegas again yep I dated thousands of women of thousands of women of beautiful women

Brian AtlasI want on your channel now that was the guy that you just showed us the guys uh the it was the black all right okay yeah yeah come on through yeah I'd love to meet you we'll have him on the show

Brian Atlasone of these days all right I think we're caught up on chats here I'm trying to think where we had left off uh you were saying something about sh in one of your pre-show messages chivalry

Brian Atlasis dead yeah and you're upset by that chivalry is dead yeah so like what's an example of guys not being chivalrous anymore even like opening the car door for you

Brian Atlasoh yeah you gotta do that but what's up the sidewalk roll sidewalker yeah I think it's better for the woman to be closer to the side like the where the

Brian Atlascloser to the car is because you know um why well I'm just like well maybe the air conditioner is going to fall down and hit you but also How

Adam22likely is it that a car is going to come onto the sidewalk and hit us and somehow only hit me because I'm on the outside and not hit you as well it seems like you're preparing for something that's incredibly unlikely protect her a little bit more

Brian Atlasyeah so you could like angle this a couple different ways you could say well like let's say you're walking past an Alleyway you want to be because the alleyway is going to be closer yes okay I actually have an

Brennaexample of this for my boyfriend of two weeks a few weeks ago we were walk actually walking down Alleyway and there was this crazy homeless man and he had me walking right by him and in my head

Brian AtlasI'm like wouldn't you just go on the other side no naturally so he let you be closer to the this is getting kind of classist here but um

Brennahow did you know he was crazy is he was homeless therefore he was no he was like oh excuse me he was being

Christycrazy like yeah yeah like screaming out he's like wait you know sounds like a good time it's not that hard to figure out it was

Brennagreat yeah felt uncomfortable chivalry is dead though yes like what is it like I look at my dad and how he treats my mom sure and I I and I talked to them

Brennaabout this the other day like I'm like I'm gonna be 35 in December and you know I thought by now okay I know that'd be like married and but it's like I have so many girlfriends are in the

Brennasame boat because it's just like men aren't built the same way like our dads were back in the day but our women built the same way yeah I mean I think men and women are both to

Isabella DeLucablame like I feel like I also look at my parents relationship and like my mom and my dad have been together since my mom was 16 years old they had me when she was 21 and so like when I turned 23 my mom was like oh I already had like two

Isabella DeLucakids and one on the way at your age I think times are definitely different but I think that like yes I don't think men are as chivalrous but I also don't think women are what they were but I think it's because they

Christystarted having to well actually multiple things one like I don't want a job I want to be a mom but there's not sure there's men anymore so I'm not gonna settle but also like I

Christyhate feminism and feminism mean women I have to start going to work and like Pride themselves in that I don't want a job well I think I don't want to be poor I want to live a nice lifestyle

Christyand until I meet the right man I'm gonna just do only fans and live better than most of my friends and you don't think you attract what you are though um I think me and my ex-boyfriend we

Ruslanstarted dating way before my only fans that wasn't what I was talking about yeah I I believe in the law of attraction I believe in quantum physics I meant like who you are in the season of life that you're in well this is your

Christycharacter it's going to attract that type of person yeah but you why do you think my character is bad just because my hypothetical I would love to attract who I am because I'm super funny I'm super

Christysmart I'm super patriotic I'm super witty I'm super fast I'm super duper hot I would love to attract who I am I think he's just saying yes it would be amazing

Isabella DeLucayou're also very good amazing that's what I'm waiting for I would love you to attract them I think he's just saying like if you're demanding like not demanding but you're saying like Okay I want marriage I want to be able to stay

Isabella DeLucahome I want kids like how can you kind of justify wanting those things about bringing anything to the table do you know what I'm saying I have a lot because how can you demand some people though can I finish please when you demand things from men like I want to be

Isabella DeLucaable to stay home I want to be self-sufficient on a salary I want children I want to be wiped up I want to live like this stay-at-home life but then what do you bring in the table besides like okay I'm hot and I'm funny

ChristyI don't want that dude I'm just saying I'm not gonna settle down and I'm not gonna be poor and I'm not gonna live not like I'm living like life on vacation every day in Miami until I meet that

Christyperson I think one and I I don't think you should be judging me I think we have the same beliefs overall and I think we're on different paths and I like I want you to watch this back because I

Isabella DeLucadon't think I don't know it from reality I get it I get it I get it dude I think what he's just saying I want you back the lifestyle that you're living isn't in line with what you're wanting that's nice it's nice for thinking that

Brian Atlasthank you for thinking that that's what I know but given your dating profile you did say something about like you wish like guys would pick or guys no no it was men should pay for the first day right that's kind of like the chivalrous thing yeah of course they should so that's like kind of a traditional thing

Brian Atlasthe guy should pay for the first date yeah but like

ChristyI'll explain it so you do BG boy girl content right with my with my only with my boyfriend at the

Brian Atlastime now at the time but it's still online correct yeah so isn't it kind of like non-traditional to have like videos of you getting by another dude guys don't seem to give a they actually I mean

ChristyI don't think you can really be like can you really be sure I don't think they care to be honest you guys don't care guys definitely yeah some guys might the the kid has not affected my dating life

Christyyou've been dating a guy for a month dude I've been talking to people longer than that right because I'm judging me I'm not judging you also how old they're not married so what does it matter yeah

Isabella DeLucabut I just got out of a longer release okay but you're saying that because somebody didn't get divorced but that's not one because divorce is also a thing it is that's not what any of us are saying I think we're just saying that

Isabella DeLucayou're demanding traditional things from traditional men you're not a traditional woman and you're not offering anything that's traditional in anything thank you for your opinion I think to like with you for your opinion I think with the

Lila Rosechivalry thing I I get I hear people women complain a lot like oh men are chivalrous anymore I also hear men complain that women aren't being like ladylike or feminine anymore so there's like all these complaints basically I

Lila Rosethink in some ways especially you see this on the internet but the Sexes are at War right like we don't know how to be harmonious together and I think the through line there's two through lines morality like those guard rails of like

Lila Rosewhat is a good what is it to behave well towards each other is one thing and then the second thing is growing in virtues like how do we grow as human beings so that we can try to behave well with each other and love each other well because otherwise we're always going to be

Lila Rosefighting and there's always going to be this either competitiveness or this anger or this just always this disunity but the unity can be found I believe

Lila Rosethrough appreciating men for being like truly Great Men which would include self-control honor humility drive towards what is good service of others

Lila Rosewomen similar other things but also nurture love of children love of family eagerness to serve other people and love other people instead of just being concerned with ourself and our own ideas and and goals and if we focus on those

Christythings as men and women we'll be much more harmonious together I think and have a much happier Society I think that love is unconditional and we're all attracting completely different people

Christywe're all very very different people so like my person that I end up with is going to be completely different with who you guys end up with and that's okay because we're all completely different

Christywe're allowed to be different that's why we're going to end up with who we end up with in the first place yes love is unconditional you think love is unconditional yeah you think there are no conditions in which you would fall out of love with somebody I think love

Christyis unconditional I think if you love someone you love them like my parents love there's no conditions to love I think you can you can know that you're not meant to be with someone that's not

Christybased on conditions but that's because is you know that you just aren't meant to be with them there's a difference between Intuition or being on the same wavelength and conditions like if I'm

Christygenuinely in love with someone and I'm married whoever I decide to marry yeah it's unconditional it's not unconditional but that's why I'm so single you're like why are you single at 33 because I'm waiting to meet my person

Isabella DeLucano because you said you've only been in a relationship for a month I'm also I'm also 23 years old so I don't think that has any relevance to what we were talking about at all in terms of traditionalism but I do want to talk

Isabella DeLucaabout what you said between like Harmony between the Sexes I think women have kind of found themselves in a place where they almost have to be like men and manly like and protect themselves and defend themselves and provide for

Isabella DeLucathemselves and so yeah I think it's hard then for women to be in these relationships where they have to like tone that down when they're not in an environment in the first place where they can even be feminine word okay

Christyunconditional love I mean in your dating profile you say that you think the guy should pay for a date that's a condition um that's like me not wanting to go on a date with a dwarf like I don't know

Christyokay love is unconditional like my parents love me no matter who I am no matter what I do like even if I have kids no your parents love is different than the love you would have for your husband and that he would have for you

Adam22yeah familiar and when I have kids love is unconditional different category are you going to still love your husband if he starts beating the out of you it seems that that's probably the only way to love him would be to separate

Christyyourself from him to pretend I'm not going to say someone to get myself in that situation that sounds like a condition there's no such thing as no it doesn't it's not a condition yes not being an abuser sounds like a condition

Brenna/Madisonthat you need fulfilled in order to be in a relationship do you think every woman that ends up in an abusive relationship goes into the relationship knowing he's abusive I know for a fact no that's not what I'm talking about

Brian Atlasthough so we're just trying to explain words to you thank you thank you no problem but like okay please mail me um a dictionary tomorrow please I obviously I think I have one yeah

Christyand you know it's so badly no one knows my name but what's your ratio of picture books to chapter books zero oh

Brian Atlasbut okay you can you at least admit that there are some conditions under which like in order for you to fall in love with somebody probably certain conditions need to be met like standards and conditions are two

Christydifferent things additional love is unconditional so there are no conditions standards so if you start to date

Christysomeone if your husband's cheating on you so the point of marriage is not can we google unconditional hold on I'm going to send you the conditional first I promise you I'm not trying to be I

Ruslanreally don't give a we're just not gonna agree on it I'm just telling you you're making a categorical error there's a different kind of love that a man has for his wife then

TTS Readerokay just let him speak what is that oh my God thank you Bender the offender donated chat is on fire thank you man Christy you seem very narcissistic you

TTS Readerthink way too highly of yourself to the point of bordering on playing ignorance and you seem to not understand how logic works thank you for the 500 you spelled my name completely wrong it's going to him for the

ChristyI get it like this whole thing is making him so much money because of me you're welcome

Brian Atlasmade you the most money tonight all night wait so but if you got married right so you would the person you marry you would have it's okay yes you are bro What's your deal can you just chill

Brian Atlaslike we've told you multiple times to not interrupt people sorry sorry you're you're literally doing it right now do you just not have any social Grace like can you just not interrupt people

Brian Atlasyou've interrupted I look at you you're like you're kind of you've interrupted people so many times

Brian Atlasyou've interrupted Isabella you've interrupted everybody here at the table

Brian Atlastrying to not interrupt I know it must be difficult for you can you can you stop okay that's why I'm shaking my head I know but it's like almost passive aggressive in the way you're doing it okay

Brian Atlassorry apology accepted there you go okay we're all a happy family now all right um I think you were saying saying something I I was you were talking about your mom

Ruslanand I was just curious like do you feel like your mom because she was in a different era carried herself maybe differently than most modern women do today and I'm not I don't want to use that term in a loaded

Ruslanfashion but like like where's that give and take if we're saying men are built the same like but are women build you know carrying themselves differently so then okay so is it unreasonable then to expect men to act in a way where women

Brennaaren't acting in the way that would attract a man like that I don't know I just think this generation of guys just so completely different but what about

Brennathis generation of women I think the end yeah I mean yeah my mom was a stay-at-home mom that I mean she went to all the board

Brennameetings and my dad was a pilot and flew across the world but um I guess it was diff like I don't want to be a stay-at-home mom um

BrennaI don't know I guess I have a different view on relationships because of my parents but it's also just hard maybe because of my dating past so you're

Brennasaying you don't want what they have no I definitely do want they have want what they have but you don't want to live the way they live

RuslanI think it was it was just different yeah did your last minute chats and we're gonna wrap up my wife is a stay-at-home mom home schools are kids and works part-time with keeping our

Ruslanbooks yeah um it's it is different technology is different dating apps are different but all my wife's friends are stay-at-home moms yeah who have side hustles in her amazing moms teachers Educators I just think it's so different

Brennalike I was saying earlier the social media aspect of things like my dad was a pilot they I uncovered their box of like love letters to each other like it was just so different then like but I think

Lila RoseI think it is possible today I think it's hard I do think it's hard I think there's a lot of people that are you know because of social media because of the sexual Revolution yeah you know I know we've talked a lot about porn but I would say because of porn all these

Lila Rosethings it's a lot harder to have what you're describing but it is possible so you guys give me hope but but we're not like just lucky I think yeah I mean we were very blessed I think they're like we were I think I don't know about your family background

Lila Rosebut I can say like my parents are together like that is a privilege I have yeah um but I will also say like it is possible for everyone but we just have to be that change we want to see we have to choose it like if we want to be that with a man who's going to be that

Lila Roseprovider that protect her who's going to be a man of Honor then our role would be to be that woman of Honor who wants to cherish motherhood you know and not prioritize careerism over it and he's preparing for a life like that

Isabella DeLucaI also think we'll maximize that opportunity for us so I also would add that like even though I'm 2030 a lot of my friends are already in their 30s and the biggest thing that they say is that they feel that like at this point in their lives that feminism really did

Isabella DeLucahave a big impact on them not in the way that it is now but more so that women like we're told like you can do whatever you want you have your whole 20s you have time to be able to settle down and have a family and now like I have a

Isabella DeLucafriend who's 34 who like just ended a two-year relationship and she's like I spent my entire 20s thinking that I had time and now here I am and I don't have time but I also want to like revert back

Isabella DeLucato because I was seeing comments early and like she has two eggs left like don't just assume that I mean the truth is that women are on a biological clock but genetics and the way that you take care of yourself is yeah like they

Isabella DeLucashouldn't just automatically assume because I'm 35 and I I don't have a husband and the white picket fence like there's nothing wrong with my best friend's 34 and she just went to a fertility clinic and she's completely

Lila Rosefine so my mom had me she was 40 and they said no one's saying that you me I mean I am 34 or actually I'm like 35 I turned 35 last month no one is saying that any of us because we're older like we're

Brennadoomeday I just think we have this like as older women I don't want to consider myself that but yeah you just have this and if you've seen the comments I'm like no don't look at the comments I think

Lila Rosethe key is I know I think the key is you know the point or the key here is where is the dating podcast it's like okay what's the way to maximize dating towards your goals exactly yeah are you in Miami too I'm in Nashville Nashville

Ruslanbecause you're in a major city yeah so just just something to consider we're communicating selection biased on both parts you're in Miami you're in Nashville you guys are in the Hollywood scene that's very different than the way

Ruslanthe rest of the country lives yeah right so if you come to Vista California and go to church with me and meet all my friends and my wife's friends and you meet a dozen stay stay-at-home moms right my world is completely different your world's different your world is

Ruslandifferent and so my advice would be maybe be open to meeting some different people in different circles as friends not like to date but yeah and that'll show you that like oh no there's actually a lot of people that still do hold to those values that you I feel

Lila Roselike we're only talking about women who want kids like what about the women who don't want kids well I think we're talking about women who want to be with men that want to be that provider protector and typically those women are seeking a family and

Adam22wanting to have kids and I think most women want to have kids yeah 85 of women will have kids I remember having a conversation with my dad when I was like 18 where I when I was

Adam22graduating high school where I asked him what did you want to do when you were finishing high school or actually finishing college and I remember him just telling me well I wanted to marry your mom and I wanted to build a family

Adam22with her and I remember just being like a young punk ass kid that had all these like dreams of Entrepreneurship and creativity and stuff and just being kind of stumped and just even then thinking

Adam22like this is the generation gap that my parents to them to just have a nice American dream life was the goal and I think that to a lot of like young dudes especially now and probably women too

Adam22it's like you want to like build something and make something out of yourself before you want to settle down because you pretty much accurately know that once you become Steve Jobs that you're going to have you know your pick

Adam22of all the different women out there and that mentality is I guess in some ways it makes sense and that like if you remain single maybe you're going to be able to work harder on your hopes and dreams but I also think that it's kind

Adam22of a pipe dream and for the average person especially given how high the cost of a living is especially in major cities it's like realistically probably the best thing that you could do is like fall in love get into a relationship

Adam22with a girl get married split your expenses have a family Etc once you feel comfortable financially but like you know we just live in a society where we're constantly surrounded by people

Adam22who are putting on examples of doing the other thing which is basically like mindlessly chasing ass and you know highs and money or whatever for your whole life and that is kind of like a weird thing that the manosphere has to

Adam22sort of reckon with which is that you know I think you know somebody like Andrew Tate being like at the Forefront of the manosphere now it's like you can't really necessarily just be pushing an agenda of like yo as many girls

Adam22as possible because Andrew Tate is out here saying like no that is not going to make you happy in the long run and anyone is really being honest with you is going to let you know that's not going to make you happy in the long run to me though it's a nuanced question of

Adam22like how long do you need to be single like what is the ideal number of people that you should probably be thinking you might want to have sex with before you get into a long-term relationship I would just you that was very profound and I think what we're saying is

Ruslanstatistically speaking the majority of men and women will have kids what is the optimal way to build a family if we're talking about dating we're talking about relationship what's the optimal way to cause the most amount of flourishing to

Ruslanthe most amount of people and what is worked through and through through all these civilizations I think that's the Crux of what we're getting on so what you're saying is totally and it's not red pill blue pill to me there's a lot of goofy things from both sides a lot of nonsense being pushed but if we're

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