Dave Rubin, Timcast Mary vs. Kicked Off Erin! (HEADACHE) | Dating Talk #112

Date: 2023-10-25

Duration: 5h 13m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLexi (Escort)>

AAaron (straight8)>

LLauren (Brothel)>

AAngie (DT112)>

TTracy (DT112)>

FFallon (DT112)>

AAbigail (DT112)>

JJosanne (DT112)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Dave Rubin(guest)

SPEAKER_02Angie(guest)

SPEAKER_03Josanne(guest)

SPEAKER_05Lexi (Escort)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Aaron (straight8)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Fallon(guest)

SPEAKER_09Tracy (Lexi)(guest)

SPEAKER_10Abigail(guest)

SPEAKER_11Kiki(host)

SPEAKER_12Lauren Roses(guest)

SPEAKER_13Mary Morgan(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian Atlas opens show from Santa Barbara, CA.

“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast... I am your host Brian Atlas”

IntroAll guests introduce themselves: Lexi (23, Bunny Ranch escort/OF/stripper), Aaron/straight8 (24, streamer, straight edge, vegan, new relationship), Lauren Roses (31, Bunny Ranch courtesan/musician/PR, returning guest), Angie (19, movies/clothing brand), Tracy/Lexi (23, poker player, Alaska), Fallon (18, UCSB sociology), Mary Morgan (23, Timcast commentator), Abigail (20, nanny/gymnastics coach), Dave Rubin (47, Rubin Report, FL, gay married).

Key MomentDave Rubin defends sex workers as individuals doing nothing illegal while not endorsing sex work: "I will defend a human being who is sitting across from me who is doing nothing illegal with her life." Lexi thanks him for treating her like a human being.

“I will defend a human being who is sitting across from me who is doing nothing illegal with her life”

QuoteDave Rubin on finding a partner: "you just have to find somebody that will push you in ways that will make you a little bit better."

“the trick is you just have to find somebody that will just like push you in the ways that will make you a little bit better”

ControversyDave Rubin leaves show after Aaron suggests he debate Sam Seder. Rubin calls Seder "a horrible horrible human being" and calls Aaron "a troll." Offers books to other guests but not Aaron.

“oh you're a troll I knew something was up with you this whole time”

QuoteMary Morgan: "feminism is based on an insidious lie that there is no difference between men and women and that we should be expected to act exactly the same way."

“feminism as an ideology is based on an insidious lie that there is no difference between men and women”

Key MomentBrian states he would disown his daughter if she entered sex work and refused to stop despite all his interventions.

“then yes I would it would be so disappointing to me that I would probably disown my daughter”

Key MomentLauren Roses reveals she has MS and prefers open relationships where her partner can have another woman, out of insecurity about her illness being too much for one person.

“I have MS and so sometimes I think it gets too crazy for people to handle... I want the man to have another woman because...”

QuoteKiki self-rates 7/10. Aaron self-rates 10/10. Brian rates Aaron a 6.

“a solid seven 10 to 10 baby I'm a six I'm a six I'm a 6.5 today”

ControversyAaron accuses Brian of "clip farming" with sex workers — profiting from dunking on them while claiming to condemn sex work. Brian becomes frustrated after ~4 hours of debate.

“this whole show is clip farming this whole show is supposed to be clip farming... you can make your money clip farming and dunking on like all the three fours”

QuoteBrian shouts down panel: "yo yo yo shut up it's my show I will choose when we move on"

“yo yo yo shut up it's my show I will choose when we move on or don't”

ControversyAngie (19yo) reveals she had 4 online sugar daddies as a minor (~17yo), sent partial nude photos via Snapchat, made ~$6,000. Never met any in person. Shocked panel.

“the most was like a thousand in one day like for like 20 pictures... I went to LA for a weekend and that was like 3,000”

Key MomentLexi reveals she has a sugar daddy (48yo NYC man, never married) who gave her his credit card with no spending limit; she is starting to develop feelings for him.

“he's actually given me one of his credit cards so I just use his credit card and then at the end of the month he pays it off... I am starting to catch little feels for this man”

Key MomentLauren Roses reveals she had a sugar couple (married doctors from Chicago).

“I don't have a sugar daddy currently but I remember I had a sugar couple and they were so cool... they were doctors and Chicago”

Key MomentTracy reveals she was charged with two felonies at age 17 for weapons offenses (drive-by shooting) and served ~2.5 years in adult prison.

“I was um 17 got out when I was like 19 almost 20... adult prison yes I didn't get charged as a juvenile so I went straight to prison”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship status round

All guests introduce themselves with name, age, occupation. Brian goes around table asking relationship status, longest relationship. Notable: Aaron first relationship ever (3 months); Lauren single since 2021; Tracy newly single after abusive 1.5yr relationship; Lexi single 2.5 years (not seeking relationship); Angie in first relationship (live-in immediately); Dave gay married with twin 1-year-olds.

Sex work debate: dating, respect, parental acceptance

Extended multi-round debate on sex work and dating. Topics: most men do not want to date sex workers (Brian/Mary) vs. simps exist and actions speak louder than words (Aaron). Lexi says parents are supportive of her legal escort work. Lauren describes MS and open-relationship preference due to illness. Mary argues sex work is degrading and debasing. Dave Rubin defends individual rights while not endorsing sex work. Debate on whether viewing/paying for sex work while condemning sex workers is hypocritical (Aaron's line of questioning vs Brian).

Dave Rubin segment: politics, abortion, Disney, libertarianism

Dave Rubin discusses his political philosophy: classically liberal/libertarian-leaning. Voted Trump twice, previously Gary Johnson. Begrudgingly pro-choice; supports state-level abortion regulation; opposes federal abortion ban. Defends DeSantis removing Disney's special privileges as leveling the playing field. Discusses weed legalization concerns. Brian asks if most conservatives share Dave's fair attitude toward sex workers. Dave recommends his books to three guests before leaving.

Dave Rubin exit: Aaron suggests Sam Seder debate

Aaron asks Dave if he would debate Sam Seder. Dave calls Seder "a horrible horrible human being" and "a trash human being." Aaron persists. Dave says "oh you're a troll, I knew something was up with you this whole time." Dave leaves, giving books to some guests. This is the "kicked off Erin" event referenced in the title (Dave leaving, not Aaron being removed).

Pre-show notes: Tracy prison story and relationship history

Brian reads Tracy's pre-show notes. Tracy reveals she was charged with two felonies at 17 (weapons offenses, drive-by shooting); served ~2.5 years in adult prison. Buddhist. Father: Vietnam vet, traditional values. Sister: sex worker, father accepts it. Met ex at club in Alaska; moved in quickly; relationship became abusive; left state and moved to Texas to escape abusive ex-boyfriend.

Feminism debate: damage to dating and relationships

Panel discusses whether feminism has damaged male-female relationships. Mary: feminism asks women to be second-rate men; based on lie that men and women are equal. Aaron: feminism enabled women to have careers and relationships simultaneously; it's a false dichotomy. Dave had argued feminism sold women on career over family wrongly. Lauren: experienced silencing from sex-worker-exclusionary feminists. Abigail: feminism has good intentions but became damaging; women more fulfilled raising kids. Tracy: ambivalent.

Dave Rubin hypocrisy debate (post-Dave)

Aaron argues Dave Rubin's question ("why do you bring sex workers on if you think it's bad?") implied Brian is hypocritical for shaming sex workers while profiting from their presence. Brian disputes the hypocrisy framing. Aaron accused of "clip farming" the show. Abigail tries to clarify Aaron was summarizing Dave's point, not making her own argument. Brian tells everyone to "shut up, it's my show."

Self-ratings round (looks 1-10)

Brian asks everyone to rate their looks 1-10. Kiki (SPEAKER_11): 7. Aaron: self-rates 10 (Brian refuses to rate her, then says 6). Abigail: 6-6.5. Lexi: 6 (Brian says 7). Brian: 6. Partial ratings only; not all guests rated.

Ho phase and past relationships round

Brian asks who has had a ho phase. Lexi (escort): her whole career is her ho phase. Aaron: never (too busy with school/quarantine). Lauren: Playboy days were her ho phase. Tracy: ambivalent. Fallon: no. Abigail: had brief period finding herself after controlling upbringing. Josanne: never. Brian: declines to answer (man of God).

Sugar daddy discussion

Brian asks who has had a sugar daddy. Lexi: yes, 48yo man in NYC who gave her credit card with no limit; developing feelings for him. Lauren: had a sugar couple (Chicago doctors). Angie: had 4 online sugar daddies as a minor (~17yo); never met in person; sent photos; made ~$6,000. Tracy: declined to answer about current new guy. Others: no sugar daddies.

Men's preferences for women: income, height, physical standards

Debate on whether men are "intimidated" by women who out-earn them. Brian: not intimidation but career-focused women adopt masculine traits; money does not make women more attractive. Aaron: dismissing high-earning women as too masculine is unfair without getting to know them. Discussion of height preferences (women wanting tall men): Brian accepts it has biological basis. Debate on whether women's physical standards (body type preferences) are unfair. Brian: women are pickier about physical traits than men; things women care about (height, penis size, physique) are mostly outside men's control.

Body count and partner preferences roundtable

Discussion of whether body count matters for men. Lauren: 1000+ (professional). Tracy: 3. Others declined or unknown. Brian says over 10 is high body count; would not date women with high body count. Aaron: men having that preference is fine if consistent. Mary: does not object to men preferring low body count. Angie: thinks caring about body count is dumb/insecure. Mary: many women rejected for being sexually inexperienced (virgins). Brian: men rejecting virgins is about timeline, not body count itself.

Dating men who out-earn women / career-focused men as fathers

Aaron asks Brian to consider the reverse: woman who prefers a less career-focused man to ensure he will be a present father. Brian tries to distinguish biological realities. Aaron accuses Brian of straw-manning. Lexi shares anecdote of sugar daddy in Texas with 3 baby mamas who praised their co-parenting because he was too busy to parent himself.

Men's preference for not dating transgender women

Brian asks panel if they object to men choosing not to date transgender women. Most guests: no objection; it's a personal preference. Fallon: no objection, they should not have to, does not make them gay. Josanne: not really her concern.

Closing and wrap-up

Brian wraps up. Thanks panel. Notes show was "torture" but show went on ~5 hours. Dave Rubin's segment described as feeling short in retrospect. Brian raids Twitch Discord; thanks subscribers.

Transcript

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Abigaildebating uh Brian's point or anything she was trying to clarify the Super Chat that's all so she can't really it's not a good hold on it's not a good idea to

Abigailargue with Aaron about Dave's point because she doesn't really know exactly where Dave was getting with it she was just trying to summarize I was trying to guess where I thought he was coming from she was trying to clarify the Super Chat

Abigailso now the Super Chat has been clarified Aaron's not a good person to argue with this about because she doesn't know really what Dave was and Dave isn't here and Dave isn't here she said so we should move

Brian Atlason I'm just trying to parse it I'm just it's not clear to me we don't need to we need yo yo yo shut up it's my show I will choose when we move on or don't

Brian Atlasokay I'm just still trying to parse it it's again I don't think it's hypocritical if I'm if I am somehow able to

Brian Atlasmonetize the putting a person in a thumbnail and that further generates clicks it I don't think that makes me a hypocrite

Brian Atlasif I it would make me a hypocrite if I was against sex work and I engaged in sex work I I that I okay whatever I don't know I thought I guess I to me it just

Aaron (straight8)seemed like Dave was trying to insinuate that you exploit it in some way that was what I got from it but she doesn't she's not well he didn't say that he didn't even he didn't I know that's why this is all conjecture I'm just trying to guess at like what I thought he was getting at

Aaron (straight8)cuz like I don't know why he would need to make the caveat like I'm not coming for you dude unless he thought that that his question might insinuate that like yeah you kind of do profit from it but I mean you could you could make that argument about any of the

Brian Atlasconversations that I have on the show even outside we have panels where there's no sex workers on the panel there's do I profit from women having a high body count I mean like I'm I

Brian Atlassuppose I'm profiting from if there's a clip that goes viral when I'm debating a woman and I disagree am I profiting off the fact that I know there's Degrees of Separation but he's trying to like say that like connect the dots and in a

Aaron (straight8)small way in a roundabout way just by engaging in that sort of like contentious debate with them because of their background like you end up benefiting from it because you can use

Aaron (straight8)in one way or another I suppose I mean but like it to me I it again I'm it it's like saying somebody's like oh you say you're Pro human rights but I noticed that you shop at Walmart and you

Brian Atlasbuy clothes that were made by like child Believers or in sweat shops or whatever you're a hypocrite okay we that's what he was saying we have bendra the offender I predict Brian will take some time off in the near future yeah I

Brian Atlasmean y I was just looking out for you okay sorry yep um let's see I have we have a TTS that's coming

TTS Readerthrough hold on it's coming in pull up twitch oh hold on never mind donated $99 Aaron requires the last word have her silent for 5 minutes and the show

Brian Atlaswill move on people were paying a lot to shut you up last time you were on nothing nothing's changed did we get all the okay we got all those uh go to

Brian AtlasTwitch twitch.tv whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime sub if you have one uh let's see we have uh Frasier thank for the Prime oh Violet thank for

Brian Atlasthe tier one appreciate it okay um let's see I wonder if we had I had some more show notes Here uh from let's see I

Brian Atlasthink we're all caught up there um oh we have this one hold up ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 we'll go around the

Kikitable go ahead a solid seven 10 to 10 baby I'm a six I'm a six I'm a 6.5 today cuz my hair's a little

Abigailfrizzy I'm a six right now I'm a six I'm a six seven um maybe like a seven or an eight

Brian Atlason a really good day three you're 10 aarin are you just saying that

Brian Atlasto to what what about you so you think I I oh sure I consider myself six I give myself six yeah okay I think that's too modest I think seven thank you Aon I appreciate it so you think you're a 10

Brian Atlasthough you you think you're on part with the most beautiful women in the world world that's your own that's your own self that's your self assessment of your physical attractiveness I'm not going to R you

Aaron (straight8)I'm like I'm not going to rate you but you're not a 10 okay but you're not going to rate me I'm not going to rate you but you're not a 10 I think somehow I'll manage to sleep at night still I'll be okay that's fine I'm not trying to insult you but just say it with your chest ran just say you don't think of

Brian Atlaslike you don't think I'm that attract I didn't foot around it you're not a 10 okay what am I oh oh I'm not going to again I don't need to R you no you don't need to I'm asking you to just say it with your chest what do you think I am then I don't feel I don't really feel

Brian Atlascompelled to rate you but you do you want the answer I get like six okay give you six okay you should rate all of us then we're on the same par you said you're a six I'm a six wow yeah I don't

Brian AtlasI don't think I'm like Brad Pit over here I like that's

Aaron (straight8)not but you think you're 10 you think you're wait this is super Niche but I remember you have this you have a prank video video where you're messing with prostitutes in like the red light district and there was I don't know who it was you were like with one and she said in this accent what you think you look like red pit and then she

Brian Atlaslike slammed the door is that what you were thinking of right now when you said that or no no I didn't cross I know what you're referring to but no that didn't it just reminded it just remind me of that wow you you did a deep dive on my channel fan I've watched you since

Josannemiddle school you have a prank Channel it wasn't recently that I saw my feet when I was like in you know High School in Quebec like all right we have Jazz 23 here Society doesn't need sex workers they just take advantage of lonely men

Brian Atlasthey have no skill and take the easy way out it'll never be respected we should give a percent of the money they make to people we actually need like blue color workers there you have it I think we yeah we should definitely uh you know

Brian Atlasredistribute the wealth of like a syntax sex workers what do you guys think about that redistributing their like a sex worker syntax type of thing what uh let's see where do I want to go

Brian Atlaswith uh I mean sing sing Single um who oh I I have a couple here hold on one sec the reaction to no we don't have to pull up the video um sorry I'm pulling this up

Brian Atlasreal quick oh this is not the right one one sec guys somebody's singing Happy Birthday outside I don't know if you guys hear that one sec someone's

Brian Atlashaving a good time facts somebody is having a lovely time okay let's see here

Brian Atlasuh I want to open it up to you3 over here since you haven't had a huge opportunity to uh weigh in is there anything anything dating related that any of you three would like to uh speak

Tracy (Lexi)on I'm just here to live my life like I said I don't take I don't really care about what anybody else is doing in their life you know their life is their life my life is my life um what your

Tracy (Lexi)perspective is to date that's your perspective um if you want a housewife then that's what your perspective is I'm just here to live my own life like I don't care what anybody else is doing in

Tracy (Lexi)my opinion that's just how I feel you tell us like why you're here I'm here to just hear you guys debate and put my own input into it like I said like I've been through a lot of different scenarios and

Tracy (Lexi)seen a lot of things to where genuinely I just listen and I like just take that into consideration you know fair enough like your consideration of how you are

Tracy (Lexi)like you had really good pointers and so do you and so do the sex workers and these women here like that's just how I feel about it for me that's just how you

Tracy (Lexi)said you're newly single right yeah have you had a rebound yet rebound rebound like a new guy is there a new guy in the picture yet I'm currently in the makings and workings but I'm not going to say

Brian Atlaslike Hey we're together and stuff like that we're we're both um just trying to figure ourselves out right now are you currently a team do you have are you dating different people no just the one

Tracy (Lexi)guy I'm not I wouldn't say we're dating we're um that's my partner I guess but we're just getting to know each other right now I'm not saying like that's my man and I'm r or die you know like we're

Tracy (Lexi)just getting to know each other like different perspectives on how we are in the future maybe we might not like who you know their opinions or his

Brian Atlasopinion stuff like that so has anybody here ever had a ho phiz starting with

Aaron (straight8)you my life in my industry is my whole phase at work so yeah

Aaron (straight8)simple what about you no I I got my associates degree like while I was in high school and then I went to college and then there was the quarantine so no time for like coing out for

Kikime um I think my Playboy days were my hope phas when I was in Playboy it was it was hard to ignore it and hard oh you in Playboy damn I had jet black hair then I didn't have the whole

Tracy (Lexi)face hope phase as in like sleeping with multiple different men at one time yeah a pH of it no

Fallonno um I have tell us about that oh God I was actually going to like lie and say no

Fallonbut um honestly I my mom is super strict I'm adopted alongside my older sister she

Fallonalso goes to UCSB um but I think both of us just coming out

Fallonof my mom she's super uh mentally abusive and toxic so like more me she was able to like go hang out with

Fallonfriends and do stuff but I wasn't ever allowed to like leave literally at all unless it was like School sports

Fallonum but yeah so like moving out and coming to college it wasn't bad but like just

Fallonfinding myself and like I mean I had a I went through some stuff to like actually find myself

Fallonbut I'm not proud of it and I wouldn't say it was the best thing but I'm not like ashamed of it because I am who I am

Josannetoday because of the things that I've been through that was beautiful go ahead never had a ho face personally

Aaron (straight8)no I'm boring sorry Brian ho face yes no come on we all have to answer answer come on we all know he's in the

Brian Atlasquadruple did just like I uh let's um I'm a man of God I'm a man of God I The

Aaron (straight8)Voice man of God Father Brian man of God doesn't want he's renounced his like sin sinly I don't know his your past

Brian Atlasdepravity I um maybe this isn't really related to H but uh sugar daddies have any of you ever had a sugar daddy

Brian Atlasyes did we talk about it last show I think we might I can't remember I think we might have what's like do you have sugar daddies

Brian Atlascurrently yes do they spend a lot of money on you yes life on easy mode okay um what are we talking here how much do they

Lexi (Escort)spend um so basically he's actually given me one of his credit cards so so I just use his credit card and then at the

Lexi (Escort)end of the month he pays it off is this but do you hook up with him or um he lives in a different state he lives in New York so I don't see him often um he

Lexi (Escort)you have his credit card yes do you have a spending limit no damn damn I would be what did you say what does he do for a living I will not

Lexi (Escort)disclose that information do we have any information about him sounds than he's a very high Valu man like his age anything um marital status he's single what does

Lexi (Escort)he get out never been married before um and what was the last question that you said age age um

Lexi (Escort)yeah 48 what what does he get out of just giving you his credit card and you spending his money um we actually have like a great

Lexi (Escort)little relationship um like yeah uh we fly we meet each other in different cities and stuff like that and we hang out he's really busy with what he does

Lexi (Escort)with work so he doesn't get a lot of time to like hang out and relax so when he does get that time it's really important for him to be relaxed and like

Mary Morganno drama and for us to have a good time is he your only sugar daddy um currently yes are you his only sugar baby yes wow do you think you might be lying about

Lexi (Escort)that no okay and I actually am starting to catch little feels a a for this man but yeah okay what about you no I don't have a sugar daddy and I've never had a sugar

Kikidaddy uh I don't have a sugar daddy currently but I remember I had a sugar couple and they were so cool and they they were sugar coup they were cool cool

Brian Atlasfolks they were doctors and uh Chicago that's all I can say yo Ricardo are you still watching by the way Ricardo let me know um you had a couple sugar daddies in the

Brian Atlaspast no a couple like a husband or a wife and they were okay uh what about you have you ever had a sugar daddy I have okay uh have you had more than one or was it just one I've had multiple multiple how many like total probably

Brian Atlasfour can you scoot into the table I had like four total probably four total okay uh you're 19 uhhuh have they all been within like the past year like the past three years I never like I never met up

Brian Atlaswith anybody you had a sugar daddy when you were underage yeah yeah okay um but and you had four sugar daddies but you never met up with any of them in person how would you meet them seeking the website how would you meet Snapchat

AngieSnapchat but how would you meet how would they find you I would just like send them pictures and then but how would they find you initially how would they know um actually it was on my friend's Tik Tok live and then she like shouted me out and then yeah oh they

Brian Atlascontacted you on Snapchat I see okay uh so you had four sugar daddies total not the same time total yeah yeah yeah um and what I just read that what the Super

Brian AtlasChat please don't read that out loud what um so anyways so four four sugar daddies um so you never met them though

Angieso what was the exchange that would occur they would just give me money and I would send them pictures pictures yeah like just yeah like nudes nudes and

Mary Morgannot like bad nudes but like ludes maybe what are teasers feet picks that type of I've done that feet picks they're like boobs so

Mary Morganyou wait a minute you were underage for part of this and you were sending them like actual they knew too that's a major

Angieyikes yeah that's disgusting um how much were they paying the most was like a th000 in one day like for like 20 pictures and would you talk to them on

Brian Atlasthe phone or just all text you never like actually spoke to them okay um how much total from all four do you think you made maybe like 4,000 total total not

Angieyeah not that okay but they would just like send you here's A1 $20 a picture like 20 bucks a picture yeah like one time I went to LA and I spent like okay probably more than 4,000 then CU I made

Mary Morganyeah I went to um La for like a weekend and that was like 3,000 that for that do you worry about the fact that those pictures of you are now out there no cuz

Aaron (straight8)my face wasn't in it not no face no c yeah plus would you let them screenshot no yeah and like I depending on when you had Snapchat or whatever like I'm pretty sure those third party apps where you

Aaron (straight8)like can save the snap without it like telling them or like banned at this point no it's I do it and who got boyfriend to get someone's like guys one at a time please I did one of I used one of those like third party apps to save

Aaron (straight8)somebody's story once before I knew about like screen recording and they it logged me out and it said like you're in violation or whatever and I got banned for like 48 hours and it gave me back yeah no you don't need an app you just

Angiehave to remix it how how get into it on like being younger somebody get you into it I was kind of just like joking around like seeing if I could like make money and like you just Googled it no I just

Angielike was on like the Tik Tok live with my friend and then we were just like oh like on the grind yeah we just like we're joking with it like every time I wasn't like that serious about it but I was trying to like so you were on Tik

AngieTok yeah on to live TI Tok live and friend was like go snap my 17-year-old friend for we just like put our like Snapchats in there and then yeah wait so you said it was are you friends with

Brian Atlasthis person like are you friends with this person still yeah was it more than 4,000 I don't know if you don't know you said it was more than 4,000 yeah okay how much do you think 6,000 yeah okay CU

Brian Atlasthat weekend I went to LA was like the most I've made life on life on easy mode though I mean there's no 18old think it's easy to uh can I please finish my just let me finish okay uh I didn't feel

Brian Atlaslike I was like dading myself either like I didn't feel that that's why I I can understand I don't want to bring that up again though sure it's just like life on easy mode because uh yo doc FAS thank you for the gift to 20 memberships

Brian Atlasum there's not like eight 18-year-old guys who can just make $66,000 it's okay uh what about you have you ever had sugar daddy yes I have actually when I gotten out of my relationship and I

Tracy (Lexi)moved to Texas I did we didn't do anything sexual you just had one yeah I just had one um I went on throughout your life throughout your life just one yeah just the one how did you meet him um I went on seeking Arrangements

Tracy (Lexi)because like I said um I'm a two-time felon so it was really hard for me to try to find a job so I went on there I met this older gentleman um and he was like hey like I'll pay for your bills your groceries and I just want to hang

Tracy (Lexi)out gen he actually had kids and like a wife but he genuinely actually just wanted to hang out like like have somebody to vent to I noticed that older men like that they genuinely just want to have a conversation with somebody

Tracy (Lexi)that they kind of don't really know yeah but you never met him right no we met met met yeah we met in yeah in Texas how long were were you talking to this guy it wasn't too long it was long

Tracy (Lexi)it was like 6 months 5 months and then I just it's just like I guess like when I started working my regular job it was kind of like uh I don't really need sugar daddy you know I just do my own

Brian Atlasthing so just got out of that and then that was that okay um so what was the nature of the exchange

Tracy (Lexi)we would literally just hang out like I never kissed him we never held hands we didn't do any sexual activities it was just like he just wanted to hang out with somebody what would a hangout cost how much is hang like we would go to the

Tracy (Lexi)mall like no how much would it cost cost he' PID you right that's Sugar Sugar yeah he'd paid me like $500 like for one for one hangout yeah for like one hangout sometimes we do like twice a month you know and then twice a month you like buy you stuff outside yeah yeah

Tracy (Lexi)yeah so like we would even go to the grocery store together he like hey you want to go to the grocery store together and he'd pay for all of my groceries and then I just go about my day and go home how much like uh you said you were

Tracy (Lexi)seeing him for six months like if you had a estimate how much he total paid you how much would you say say like 10,000 maybe oh 10,000 10,000 in total cuz you know he was buying me groceries

Tracy (Lexi)and paying my phone bill and stuff like that so I'd say in total probably like 10,000 okay where are these men

Brian Atlasyou uh what about you um yeah I have it was just feet pcks though have you had a couple yeah have you ever sent like feet picks maybe you didn't have a sugar daddy but you just like sent feet

Tracy (Lexi)piics for like he was really like yeah he was really weird he sug daddy different guy he no he was an older different guy no same same guy oh you'd send him feic yeah cuz he was like

Tracy (Lexi)really like old or I don't even know how old he was I think he was like 65 or something like that so I don't think he could like I don't know it was it was really different for him it was more

Tracy (Lexi)like he paid me for a friendship but he like wanted like toe pictures of me I guess men in that category that like toes and like

Tracy (Lexi)feet and that are kind of weird I mean that doesn't they're all really rich these they with the weird feminine they're INB

Lexi (Escort)the guy that paid for my tit he was a foot guy 100% someone someone paid for the titties yeah and he was titties were paid for Yeah by a foot guy on the internet that I've never met before foot

Josannedudes in I like veryy people are like the weird this Kings out there for some reason no yeah I think there's just like a correlation like if you're a feety a

Brian Atlasfoot guy you just are very ambitious you you make no I feel like wait just going back to you your so you said said you you had a one sugar daddy

Fallona couple sugar daddies uh what was the story there did you meet him in person um Instagram actually he but did you ever meet up with him in no he was in my

Fallonrequest and I like thought it was a joke and I was just like cuz like I'll get like texts all the time that are like oh hey and it's like a paragraph that's

Fallonlike this big and there's a bunch of emojis and it's like fake but I'll like play into it cuz I think it's funny

Fallonum but yeah it wasn't a joke and the most I got off one

Fallonpicture is probably like $1,300 for yeah people pay a lot for feet F ridiculous feel like they have so much

Lexi (Escort)money that it's just like they they have like the weirder the more money you have the weirder The Kinks get yeah no I agree oh but also not be ashamed of but fetishes are genetic if you guys didn't

Brian Atlasknow yeah that's true what are you talking about they're genetic yeah it's genetic I'm pretty sure it's usually trauma related to be honest you can look it up it's well not I mean not always but you think there's zero Healthy Foot

Aaron (straight8)dudes in this world cuz like not only are they in defeat but they have to compulsively like spend thousands on it it's because the I don't know how to explain it people have gotten like really comfortable I feel like it is

Aaron (straight8)really common now to see like if you go on YouTube there's videos of like influencers like oh her foot compilations there's like sneezing compilations weird go when the Barbie movie came out there was a whole thing

Brian Atlasabout her feet because when she like Steps out of her shoes yeah yep yeah I think they're too comfortable they're going to add the feet people to lgbtq

Brian Atlasit's going to be part of the acronym it's going to be lgbtq I AF for feet for foot they're going to cuz they they're face it's going to become part of theed they are impressed group they're an

Brian Atlasimpressed group I'm here for like foot guy rights for what rights yeah foot guy rights yeah while we're at it we need reparations for left-handed people true

Brian Atlasso right I think we need reparations just saying um well so 1300 was the most you've ever What's the total like if you had to put a number on it What's the total you made from sugar daddy type or

Fallonfeet Pig type total everything and you're 18 right mhm yeah

Fallonlike 30k 30k 30k 30k your friends over there only made six we need receipts now cuz you could you want to see my bank

Fallonaccount cuz I I need receipts sis okay that's definitely to call the IRS honestly you

Falloncould go on Twitter and just search I byy feet and you could get like 500 bucks from like one picture be right back no I'm actually serious that's like a real thing you there actually is fot guy oppression cuz I was thinking about

Aaron (straight8)it I don't know if you guys know who Bob Odenkirk is if you've seen better call Soler Breaking Bad he's a guy who plays Saul he got like on on Twitter because they saw in his likes just in his likes he had liked pictures from

Fallonlike a clearly like a foot fetish account uhuh no people go crazy over so it's like actually weird and then like

Fallonhe would like pay for like my like pedicures and like tell me what color to

Aaron (straight8)get and I get the line between like that being like sugar baby stuff versus just like individual transactions kind of comes into play cuz I feel like with sugar daddies those arrangements usually it's like you get a monthly budget and

Aaron (straight8)they they like kind of there's a mutual exchange there where they're like you're going to do XYZ I'm going to provide this this sounds more just kind of like individual transactions but yeah well I mean if I like Ever Needed like

Aaron (straight8)if if you could just like hit them up and get M ask them I would like he would just send me money like then yeah it's like sugaring I guess yeah but if he's like no I'm not sending you money unless you send me feed pick it wasn't like I

Brian Atlascould just text him whenever and just be like oh like you trying to send me money for yeah okay um I I could go around the table here but I don't think just yes or

Josanneno have any of you had sugar daddies no actually act oh no I have a I mean I have a friend that um I have a friend that is actually a

Josannecandy distributor so we used to call him a sugar daddy oh oh my God that's fun I thought you an actual yeah but we used to come him the sugar daddy because he was like a candy distributor and he

Brian Atlaswould bring us like big boxes of candies but okay yeah but otherwise no I mean what I would say to that it's I mean you

Brian Atlasoften hear like male privilege honestly female privilege like you guys have life on easy mode oh 100 I'm I'm a woman and I'm

Josannelike they have life on easy mode I mean you could well you choose not you choose not to engage in I don't know if it's a choice or if it's just the Ops that are like this isn't just women because you're were like oh I wish guys could do

Aaron (straight8)it you could but you have to do gay gay for pay cuz I feel yeah because if there if there's like you as a young man can make this money doing sex work stuff but you have your clientele will probably be gay men

Brian AtlasI don't think women really pay for sex now I would still I would still argue though that there's I mean there's far fewer gay men than than that are prepared to

Brian Atlasbe like sugar daddies than there are straight men who are because obviously there's far fewer gay men than there are straight men but yeah but per capita you know like proportionally like there's

Aaron (straight8)few fewer gay men overall so obviously like compared to straight people yes like just by raw numbers there's G be more but like percentage wise I don't think so I would still argue that that and I'm just pointing out you had

Aaron (straight8)an opportunity if you just hit up some like you know dashing like gay older dude who's willing to get your feet fix Ryan you probably could have done it you just have to find the right dude men have this opportunity you're

Brian Atlassleeping on it you guys just go find a gay sugar daddy who will do it for you yeah but there's far I would argue that there's far fewer opportunities for men if you want it from a woman yeah there's

Brian Atlasno way most women Ro no even even if you did do that route I would still argue that you're not gonna be nearly as competitive as a woman yeah I agree I don't know but those gay sugar daddies

Aaron (straight8)aren't looking for women at all it's not that's not but there's just there's far there's far fewer there's less gay men there less gay men there's less gay men but wouldn't that mean like I don't know sometimes you can Corner a market like

Aaron (straight8)there's less gay men there's less people willing to do or like not willing to do but doing like queer sex work anyway so I feel like it might actually make them more likely to do we just talked about foot fetishist that's a rare like

Aaron (straight8)minority right as far as like sexuality or like Kinks go common I don't have the stat guess I'm saying kink like a foot fetish is kind of uncommon but yet they

Aaron (straight8)make up a ton of the dudes willing to pay for this so being gay is kind of uncommon but they can make up a larger share of gay men that are like willing to do it or a larger share of men that are willing to do it yeah but that there's a differential there

Brian Atlasbecause like the there there's absolutely minimal or no Market like the the equivalent would be if there's just like swarms of women who wanted like

Aaron (straight8)feet picks from like young hot dudes but that doesn't really exist so I mean there is a differential there if you care about getting it from women then it doesn't exist if you just care about getting the bag then as long as you're

Brian Atlaswilling to sure but even then yeah but even then like it I don't think it's a one to hard it's probably harder to come by just a little bit yeah I would I would say even if you were inclined to to do that as a guy I still say it's

Lauren Rosesprobably going you're not going to be as lucrative lucrative as a girl who's just engaging in it with with men there there was this thing I saw on uh I don't know where I saw it but so men in other

Lauren Rosescountries are now so male escorts they're not necessarily providing sex but they're they're pretending to be a boyfriend so a girl who's traveling alone can be I love that what it's going she buy some lunch and she buy some food

Josanneand and gives him money but he pretends to be the boyfriend so she's left alone as she travels alone they have that like can have like um like a girlfriend like I know that because like a cycling told

Josanneme about that you can like order like yeah rent a girlfriend rent a boyfriend too feel safe a boyfriend experience I'd rent a boy like that some of them don't even say anything I need you they're just they don't even say anything I

Josannedon't want to be alone yeah it was like I could get paid to ride my bike I mean like and show girls around without you know some guy following them Brian you said you're saying you wouldn't do that do what get paid to show up and pretend

Aaron (straight8)to be somebody's boyfriend for the day just so that this girl could hang out and do her thing without people bothering her yeah literally just wholesome I think that I think kind of healthy like I think would you give the boyfriend experience literally no sex just would you be willing to work at

Aaron (straight8)one of these boyfriend exp she'll cover your I mean what like if I was like 18 at any point would you ever be willing at any point in your life to be as part like do a boyfriend experience for a

Brian Atlasfemale this isn't sexual no nonsexual this is non a platonic friend still going to pay you're getting paid to hang out with them she pay you I think that's okay she I think that's

Brian Atlasokay I don't know like I don't know if just from a purely I I don't think I have a moral issue with it but just from like a would I be interested in doing it

Brian Atlasmhm easy mode probably I think that's a cool like taking you on Tri I don't think I object to like if it's just like a purely platonic friendship I think that's fine but if there's a lap dance

Brian Atlasthere's something a little like kind of it is kind of sad though that that that's a thing I don't know not like I I think it's okay I just it's kind of sad like I don't think that like

Aaron (straight8)even if Society were like less isolated less lonely I think there might still be a demand for it because that boyfriend experience is one you could only buy because they're talking about trying to buy an experience for with a guy that doesn't exist he's like the manic pixie

Aaron (straight8)dream boy like he he's falling over himself like you know being I guess super chivalrous like almost like a like a caricature like a simp would be being friend in some countries being a friend or

Josannefriendship or Charisma is considered a skill that can actually be monetized simply that you're paying the person for their time as like I'm like let's say I'm an introvert and I want to hang out

Josannewith somebody well there is no oh I feel like I'm bothering you or anything you pay them for their time and for the fact that they're coming all the way there to hang out with you for a few hours then

Brian Atlasokay um moving on I want to go around the table on this and I hopefully we can get everybody's answers are there any preferences that men have when it comes to dating that you think are wrong or

Unknownyou object to or you think are superficial maybe um I don't think I'm ready to answer this right now um we can come back to

Lauren Rosesyou if you want goad yeah come back to me I think that you know I'm I'm a musician so I always say like follow your heart like so sounds corny yeah

Lauren Rosesit's like it's like I feel like if someone they don't follow their heart you know maybe okay okay but it's like you think about it and you're like damn like I I should have followed my heart like and and it's

Lauren Roseslike like I don't want to be 90 and not follow my heart like that's I don't want to be sitting in a bed and be like damn I thought about that person and I I should have I could have long because I broke all my rules because

Brian AtlasI well that's that's beautiful but that's not the I know it's not musician moment here moment what are you saying she asked what the question was oh I mean that's that's beautiful but that's

Kikinot really the question I what uh what what uh it's like a beauty pageant where they just like don't listen they

Brian Atlasjust uh the question is so the question is are there any preferences or standards or boundaries that men have

Brian Atlasthat you yeah disagree with or you think are insecure or that uh you think are wrong or that you think are they shouldn't have or yes if

Lauren Rosesthey're like hey I don't want to date you cuz you're a sex worker and I I'd be like all right I honor that but damn like I wonder if one day you'll think about me kind of thing and and I I you

Lauren Rosesknow obviously being a musician you and just art I you know I wonder if like I'm going to think about it so it's like I wonder if one day they'll think about it or just forget it or think yeah do you

Brian Atlasthink if and I'm going to touch tou on this very quickly and move it on if we like got you set up as a twitch streamer do you think You' we could get you to

Lauren Rosesstop doing sex work I if so I always said the if there's somebody out there that wants like a like a genuine like

Lauren Rosestantric emotional experence not even to spend not to spin it back at all it's like a genuine experience and and a giver like me to give all of myself to them I feel like because I enjoyed doing

Lauren Rosesit I would I would feel guilty that I was hiding that gift from people that need it and if they did if they're like I really want to experience that from you so I would feel like I was I was

Lauren Roseshiding it but if being a twitch streamer would help me um grow in a sense where I could be more of like an advocate for that and they can find people similar to me I would say absolutely yeah like the

Lauren Rosesthe bigger the platform i' I'd get I'd hope I'd grow and and bring advocacy there's probably plenty of girls just like me and and I would hope for that

Aaron (straight8)yeah um yeah so okay Big Dreams uh what about you I don't know Skip what do you mean skip I've thought of one I think it's dumb when men are intimidated like

Aaron (straight8)if their girlfriend or prospective partner out earns them okay mhm I I literally think that the majority of that in almost all instances unless someone can think of an example is going to trace back to insecurity and

Josannelike I mean if he's conscious about it yeah that's pretty insecure I mean if you're like consciously saying like I don't want to date a women that makes more well I wouldn't say it's insecure I'd say that's just his innate instinct

Abigailto want to provide for his woman and it's mascula just emasculating to feel like you're not being the one providing for her I wouldn't say that's a wrong

Aaron (straight8)thing to do is even like cuz I'm like like if it was just a little bit more and he's still like saying like no I have to be the bread winner totally like the fact that you make $3,000 a year

Brian Atlasmore than me is like a no is like a noo that's messed up to me it's not clear if if it's because of intimidation I don't think men are intimidated by women who are successful

Brian Atlasor by women who make a lot of money my ex if they're not willing to because they make too well what is it about then my ex was definitely it's typically more so it's less about the actual money and

Brian Atlasmore about like perhaps you know if if you become hyper successful in business that typically means cultivating certain personality traits that may not

Brian Atlasnecessarily be conducive in a relationship like for example a woman who's a lawyer which I think good for you fantastic however in order to be a lawyer you're probably going to be someone who's temperamentally

Brian Atlasdisagreeable you have to be disagreeable you're probably going to be a bit more in your masculine you're going to be to some degree argumentative and I don't think that that certainly I mean look certainly a male lawyer can be

Brian Atlasargumentative too in a relationship although typically you you know okay I'll save that for later but I mean you're going to adapt certain more masculine traits and most men probably

Aaron (straight8)don't want to date like hyper masculine women yeah and quarrelsome women so but that's silly because they're looking at the income and they're seeing it as a proxy for all of those like perceived negative traits and if that's like kind

Aaron (straight8)of an automatic no like she can't be earning more than me because I know for sure she's going to adopt those like masculine traits and I'm not going to like that that's what I'm criticizing it's like whether it's intimidation insecurity like just that kind of like

Aaron (straight8)ick Factor is silly to me cuz until you get into it until you know for sure that like yeah this person out earns me and I think part of the reason that they out earn me is because they have these like dominant characteristics that I don't really Vibe with then that's fair cuz I

Aaron (straight8)guess you gave you gave them a chance but to just be biased out from the start and and disqualify them as like no I could never be with someone who out earns that's silly to me well he wants to provide for his woman and he and he doesn't have the power if she's out

Abigailearning him yeah there that's intimidation to me well man's supposed to have that sort of power that type Ty of power in the relationship that's that's like instinctual if that's what

Brian Atlasthey wanted they I guess deny themselves the opportunity to date somebody just on that basis alone it's silly to me but but we even have women who've come on the show and I've seen examples of this women who are successful High earners

Brian Atlasbut they still they they still consider consider themselves traditional women and but the sort of traditional Order of Things typically was the man's The Breadwinner the woman maybe she has a

Brian Atlasside what like small thing but he's the bread winner and she takes care of the internal household so you have these hyper successful women who make a lot of

Brian Atlasmoney but they they still look to the man to fall into his traditional roles when it comes to being a leader perhaps being dominant and being masculine in

Aaron (straight8)the relationship but that can potentially cause conflicts so what if she out earns you just by a little bit but she is like submissive and docile in like every other respect and he still

Aaron (straight8)says no I'm not going to do it because I think maybe it'll lead to it or like for sure just know what you say that that's intimidation or insecurity I again I don't think it has anything to do with intimidation or insecurity I think what

Brian Atlasmen often find is women who are hyperfocused on their career typically tend to adopt uh character traits which

Aaron (straight8)are perhaps not always but not like rich just out earns cuz she could be out earning him at like a like a blue collar job like if she's a nurse and he is a

Brian Atlasteacher she might make slightly more that doesn't mean she's like she's like grinding or whatever it just mean she's like those I think we can both acknowledge though that there are men who are probably totally fine with and

Aaron (straight8)who have no issue with their uh dating a woman who makes more more money than they do yeah and I think that's like based if they if they don't see that as an issue or as like an immediate like preference that they need to disqualify a woman for for dating then I think

Brian Atlasthat's a good mindset and and me personally like I would not be intimidated by a girl who earns more than me however it could very well be the case that again not all women but it

Brian Atlascould be the case if she does out earn me then she's hyperfocused on her career uh she might have adopted certain personality traits that I don't want in a partner so it's not

Brian Atlasabout being intimidated I'm just not attracted to like really hyper masculine women so but I agree with you there can be

Brian Atlassuper feminine women but they're just killing it and they're they're able to sort of compartmentalize to some degree between their relationships and their career um would you be comfortable with it if your partner out earned you

Aaron (straight8)significantly personally I wouldn't care but I would you judge a man for like I guess looking at that as a metric to see to try to predict that's fine in the I I

Brian Atlasthink I think men can if because there's a there's a huge cohort of women who want men to also be providers and they don't want to contribute equally to the household income so just

Brian Atlasin the same way that women are allowed to have that preference men certainly the men who don't want to date women who earn more than them they ought to date women who earn less or who want to be

Brian Atlasstay-at-home wives like it's just a it seems to me like it's a mismatch of values those men probably tend to lean traditional I think the issue is is you have women who are these hyper

Brian Atlassuccessful boss babe types yet in their relationship they want they still want the guy to be the the leader they want the guy to take initiative do all these things but in order for your man to be a

Brian Atlasleader you need to be a follower and I think a lot of women right don't want to be followers in their relationship yet they yet they desire traits they desire leadership traits but they don't want to

Aaron (straight8)be a follower yes do you think that like the boss babe types are the are the type to want a man to still be a leader or do you think they're completely fine the relationship that kind of like wears the

Brian Atlaspants so to speak I don't think typically like women are I mean even really successful women they actually probably want even more masculine men to almost have to like they're super

Aaron (straight8)masculine so they have to like get someone who's super masculine I guess I don't know to like level it out yeah I guess it's just weird like I look at you know women that I went to school with or

Aaron (straight8)like friends of like I have two friends that are in law school right now and like the idea that they would ever like struggle to find a partner even with like all of their success even if they're still demonstrating that like disil I'm just saying I think if that

Brian Atlaswas the reason why they were having trouble it would be silly to me it's not I mean it's a woman's career doesn't make her more attractive to a guy like your your

Brian Atlassuccess your money does not make you more attractive to to men people I think just end up dating within their socioeconomic backgrounds for the most part sure for the most part like what you're saying

Aaron (straight8)like I don't think a man would ever like I guess look at like a like a super wealthy dude would you're saying like oh he might be dating like a Target employee or something like that it's like maybe he'd be open to it but it's just not common St statistically I think

Lexi (Escort)it's actually very common I agree with Brian I no I agree with okay all right some common grounds here we got some common grounds all right because high

Lexi (Escort)value men don't care how much their women make high value men don't care if you're freaking a janitor or an Annie they do care they do they don't care if you don't make as

Lexi (Escort)much but they care if you make too much they just want to make sure you don't but they care if you make too much yes that's that's what's I also agree with that no I it's not money because partner that you're

Lexi (Escort)with literally go ahead finish your just because of I've met some guys like that that try to do it in the control aspect of oh I don't care what you do for work

Lexi (Escort)so you work your Target employee and then she's relying on him for money you know what I mean and then that goes sour and then then what I can understand that

Brian Atlaspart right but I can also understand like it's not about the money like if it's about it's about one kind of how you're going to be prioritizing your time for example if we're talking

Brian Atlaslong-term dating I assume at some point there's you know if you want to have children a woman who really prioritizes her

Aaron (straight8)career over having kids that is part of the calculus of if a man's going to want to get involved with a woman so let's flip it do you think it would be reasonable for a woman to say I actually don't want a really like Su financially successful and career focused guy

Aaron (straight8)because I'm scared he's not going to be there for me emotionally or to take care of his kids but I mean that's sort of been the the setup for time I know and it's hypothetical though for this woman do

Aaron (straight8)you think that that's like ridiculous of that woman to make the assumption that because he's financially successful and career focused that he couldn't be a good father and a good boyfriend emotionally

Aaron (straight8)no you think that's fine or you think it doesn't make sense can you repeat it one more time okay you have a woman who is telling you that she's not interested in dating a

Aaron (straight8)man who is that financially successful or career focused and like actually sees that as somewhat of a negative trait because she's worries that he's not going to be there to raise his kids and that he's not going to be there emotionally because he's too busy

Aaron (straight8)because he's too busy with his career are you asking me if that would be a valid concern for a woman to have yeah do you do you think that makes sense yes like do you think it's possible for men to be good Fathers and also career

Aaron (straight8)focused yes okay why isn't it possible for women to be career focused and good Mothers I didn't say that I Mak thetion based of the reverse of it no one one

Aaron (straight8)has no connection with the other know because you were saying too much money because they would be May too masculine too career focused and they wouldn't be able to be at home and do like domestic duties well there there's a there's a

Brian Atlasfirst off there's a biological difference when it comes to actually carrying a child and giving birth to said child that's a little you don't think single fathers can be good Fathers as good of fathers as like you are really putting I did not say that

Aaron (straight8)you didn't say it explicitly but the things that you're saying are leading me mother I I actually think single fathers typically do better than single mothers okay in raising children so that's not

Brian Atlaswhat I said at all okay but I'm not sure where the connection is coming from okay here's the thing uh men and women are literally this is like that Jordan

Brian AtlasPeterson interview with with Kathy Newman on like BBC or whatever so what you're saying is no that's not what I'm saying how about the words that come out the the words that come out of my mouth

Aaron (straight8)is what I'm saying and I did not say that okay do you understand Brian that sometimes things that we say can have implications beyond what we explicitly say yeah when you argue with semantics of like the words that you pick you know

Aaron (straight8)it's literally strong jumping to conclusions then fine I jump to a conclusion no you're just here to clip Farm literally okay like are we moving on I don't know where to go from stra maning

Aaron (straight8)straw maning that's not really nice you know okay look sorry I was being mean I didn't I didn't mean to be mean I don't

Aaron (straight8)know like always with these like scenarios okay um I'm trying to isolate variables and test like how far you go with it because in just in one respect

Lexi (Escort)you were willing to you're arguing willing to can I say something so I had this sugar daddy in Texas and he had like three baby mamas and three

Lexi (Escort)different kids with them and he would literally he was such a terrible father because he would always tell me how like he was like oh my God

Lexi (Escort)my baby M do all the work like bless them because in the real world like when I go home to the house those kids are way too much for me to handle and deal with and I'm so glad that I get to leave

Lexi (Escort)that house and go to my condo at the end of the night and sleep by myself so it's like and he's like a very high like he makes a lot of money you know what I mean and for me to hear that I was like

Lexi (Escort)ew like you're a shitty dad because you and he buys the baby M's like Teslas and they all live on the same like all on the same street in a nice house and stuff like that but it's just

Lexi (Escort)like at the end of the day his presence is gone yeah his presence is gone and he's working and that's kind of what she was saying and that's why I was yeah putting that story in there cuz I was like wow that's crazy he financially provides but I think a lot of women

Aaron (straight8)would feel like there's something missing from their relationship if and that's not going to be compensated for the fact that he's financially providing for them if you don't have a partner who's there for you emotionally if you don't have a partner who's there to be a present father I think that's a

Aaron (straight8)disadvantage and not only that but like think of their kids too like or like I think women would take a man with a more modest salary who's more present in his kid's life than a man who is more

Brian Atlasfinancially totally different conversation okay yeah that's a totally different conversation you were your original thing was are men in men are intimidated by women who make a lot of

Aaron (straight8)money it's a totally different who out earn them not who make a lot of money that's different I just said out earn you can be both you can both be in poverty okay you can both make 20,000 a year but maybe like you he makes 20,000

Aaron (straight8)she makes 25k a year or I gave the example of a nurse and a teacher okay what about you seriously what's an unfair preference

Brian Atlasthat like men can have for women um having like the perfect body I think okay it's an unfair preference for men

Angieto care about a woman's to specifically only like women like if they have like a big but or like big boobs or like you know like just like have a specific do you think if you ask most

Brian Atlasmen they would say that a woman needs to have a perfect body in order for them to date them I know a lot of people that like can you speak closer to the I know a lot of people that feel that way what if he has the perfect body is he allowed

Abigailto have that preference or is that only for the men who are out of shape I feel like it I would argue a man with like a really nice body can be

Angieallowed to prefer women with nice bodies do you think it's okay for women to have height preferences I feel like it just depends but I just feel

Angielike it's just unfair for what's unfair what's UNF consciously that's a what stop what's unfair for a guy to just

Brian Atlaslike a girl to have I mean I guess that just goes for hookups mostly what what I mean what does it matter if it's for a hookup or for a relationship I just feel

Brian Atlaslike that's is it let let me okay is it do you think it's unfair for a guy to care about a woman's physical appearance I mean I think it's unfair

Brian Atlasfor them to only care about the physical appearance fair enough okay I don't know do you think men only care about women's

Brian Atlasphysical appearance no but I'm do you think a a majority of men only care about a woman's physical

Brian Atlasappearance no okay I didn't mean to like push you into a position that cuz your previous

Brian Atlaspoint was you think it's unfair for men to want women who to to desire a perfect body what was the original question is there any preference or standard that men have that you feel is like unfair or

Angiethat you disagree with or maybe it's uh okay do you think it's unfair when they have that but you're not saying that all men have that preference I'm just saying that it's unfair that when they're like oh I just want like that that's to be one of their preferences like oh they

Abigailhave to have the perfect your answer doesn't really answer his question cuz he's asking uh preferences that men generally tend to have okay yeah that doesn't answer your question I thought what she was saying is that if a man has

Aaron (straight8)like unrealistic body standards for his girlfriend that is superficial and not attractive to her that's what I like if you're expecting your girl to look like a Victoria Secret model before you'll

Brian Atlaseven like consider dating her that she's saying that's pretty superficial I would argue though that most men don't ex don't expect to date women who are on par with Victoria Secret model no

Aaron (straight8)probably not I think most men just want like average physical fitness but on that note though what I would what what I would say is that

Brian Atlasactually uh women are far pickier when it comes to women are far pickier when it comes to phys physical looks than men are yeah yeah true okay in what ways I

Josannedisagree I mean speaking for myself personally I'm not saying it's a fact please speak into the microphones guys if you're going to talk um okay um I would say that when it

Brian Atlascomes to things that are outside of either gender's control women care about uh far more things than the reverse there are far more things when it comes

Brian Atlasto just purely physically speaking that women care about versus men a lot of the things that make women physically attractive that men find physically attractive are in your

Brian Atlascontrol The Only Exception would be like breast size there's no way to really I mean breast augmentation yeah but I I think like when you're without surgical intervention but

Brian AtlasI I don't want to advocate for surgical intervention because I'm against it but of the things that are are in your control that the vast majority of men will find attractive a lot of that you

Aaron (straight8)have oh my God bro you do have in control so um well I think she was saying with like how common plastic surgery is and how it's like trendy for a lot of

Aaron (straight8)celebrities and models to have things like breast augmentations most men don't find that attractive I think she was just saying if men adopt the preference of having of like wanting women who have lip fillers who want women who have botox who have breast augmentations that

Aaron (straight8)at that point these are unrealistic and like very demanding standards because the average woman shouldn't have to get surgical intervention to be seen as like attractive to men no bring that you guys probably agree on that on what sorry I

Aaron (straight8)that the average woman shouldn't have to conform to a societal standard of beauty that has to include surgical intervention or like cosmetic uh like enhancement like fillers Botox breast augmentations to live up to like a

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