Dave Rubin, Timcast Mary vs. Kicked Off Erin! (HEADACHE) | Dating Talk #112

Date: 2023-10-25

Duration: 5h 13m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLexi (Escort)>

AAaron (straight8)>

LLauren (Brothel)>

AAngie (DT112)>

TTracy (DT112)>

FFallon (DT112)>

AAbigail (DT112)>

JJosanne (DT112)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Dave Rubin(guest)

SPEAKER_02Angie(guest)

SPEAKER_03Josanne(guest)

SPEAKER_05Lexi (Escort)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Aaron (straight8)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Fallon(guest)

SPEAKER_09Tracy (Lexi)(guest)

SPEAKER_10Abigail(guest)

SPEAKER_11Kiki(host)

SPEAKER_12Lauren Roses(guest)

SPEAKER_13Mary Morgan(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian Atlas opens show from Santa Barbara, CA.

“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast... I am your host Brian Atlas”

IntroAll guests introduce themselves: Lexi (23, Bunny Ranch escort/OF/stripper), Aaron/straight8 (24, streamer, straight edge, vegan, new relationship), Lauren Roses (31, Bunny Ranch courtesan/musician/PR, returning guest), Angie (19, movies/clothing brand), Tracy/Lexi (23, poker player, Alaska), Fallon (18, UCSB sociology), Mary Morgan (23, Timcast commentator), Abigail (20, nanny/gymnastics coach), Dave Rubin (47, Rubin Report, FL, gay married).

Key MomentDave Rubin defends sex workers as individuals doing nothing illegal while not endorsing sex work: "I will defend a human being who is sitting across from me who is doing nothing illegal with her life." Lexi thanks him for treating her like a human being.

“I will defend a human being who is sitting across from me who is doing nothing illegal with her life”

QuoteDave Rubin on finding a partner: "you just have to find somebody that will push you in ways that will make you a little bit better."

“the trick is you just have to find somebody that will just like push you in the ways that will make you a little bit better”

ControversyDave Rubin leaves show after Aaron suggests he debate Sam Seder. Rubin calls Seder "a horrible horrible human being" and calls Aaron "a troll." Offers books to other guests but not Aaron.

“oh you're a troll I knew something was up with you this whole time”

QuoteMary Morgan: "feminism is based on an insidious lie that there is no difference between men and women and that we should be expected to act exactly the same way."

“feminism as an ideology is based on an insidious lie that there is no difference between men and women”

Key MomentBrian states he would disown his daughter if she entered sex work and refused to stop despite all his interventions.

“then yes I would it would be so disappointing to me that I would probably disown my daughter”

Key MomentLauren Roses reveals she has MS and prefers open relationships where her partner can have another woman, out of insecurity about her illness being too much for one person.

“I have MS and so sometimes I think it gets too crazy for people to handle... I want the man to have another woman because...”

QuoteKiki self-rates 7/10. Aaron self-rates 10/10. Brian rates Aaron a 6.

“a solid seven 10 to 10 baby I'm a six I'm a six I'm a 6.5 today”

ControversyAaron accuses Brian of "clip farming" with sex workers — profiting from dunking on them while claiming to condemn sex work. Brian becomes frustrated after ~4 hours of debate.

“this whole show is clip farming this whole show is supposed to be clip farming... you can make your money clip farming and dunking on like all the three fours”

QuoteBrian shouts down panel: "yo yo yo shut up it's my show I will choose when we move on"

“yo yo yo shut up it's my show I will choose when we move on or don't”

ControversyAngie (19yo) reveals she had 4 online sugar daddies as a minor (~17yo), sent partial nude photos via Snapchat, made ~$6,000. Never met any in person. Shocked panel.

“the most was like a thousand in one day like for like 20 pictures... I went to LA for a weekend and that was like 3,000”

Key MomentLexi reveals she has a sugar daddy (48yo NYC man, never married) who gave her his credit card with no spending limit; she is starting to develop feelings for him.

“he's actually given me one of his credit cards so I just use his credit card and then at the end of the month he pays it off... I am starting to catch little feels for this man”

Key MomentLauren Roses reveals she had a sugar couple (married doctors from Chicago).

“I don't have a sugar daddy currently but I remember I had a sugar couple and they were so cool... they were doctors and Chicago”

Key MomentTracy reveals she was charged with two felonies at age 17 for weapons offenses (drive-by shooting) and served ~2.5 years in adult prison.

“I was um 17 got out when I was like 19 almost 20... adult prison yes I didn't get charged as a juvenile so I went straight to prison”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship status round

All guests introduce themselves with name, age, occupation. Brian goes around table asking relationship status, longest relationship. Notable: Aaron first relationship ever (3 months); Lauren single since 2021; Tracy newly single after abusive 1.5yr relationship; Lexi single 2.5 years (not seeking relationship); Angie in first relationship (live-in immediately); Dave gay married with twin 1-year-olds.

Sex work debate: dating, respect, parental acceptance

Extended multi-round debate on sex work and dating. Topics: most men do not want to date sex workers (Brian/Mary) vs. simps exist and actions speak louder than words (Aaron). Lexi says parents are supportive of her legal escort work. Lauren describes MS and open-relationship preference due to illness. Mary argues sex work is degrading and debasing. Dave Rubin defends individual rights while not endorsing sex work. Debate on whether viewing/paying for sex work while condemning sex workers is hypocritical (Aaron's line of questioning vs Brian).

Dave Rubin segment: politics, abortion, Disney, libertarianism

Dave Rubin discusses his political philosophy: classically liberal/libertarian-leaning. Voted Trump twice, previously Gary Johnson. Begrudgingly pro-choice; supports state-level abortion regulation; opposes federal abortion ban. Defends DeSantis removing Disney's special privileges as leveling the playing field. Discusses weed legalization concerns. Brian asks if most conservatives share Dave's fair attitude toward sex workers. Dave recommends his books to three guests before leaving.

Dave Rubin exit: Aaron suggests Sam Seder debate

Aaron asks Dave if he would debate Sam Seder. Dave calls Seder "a horrible horrible human being" and "a trash human being." Aaron persists. Dave says "oh you're a troll, I knew something was up with you this whole time." Dave leaves, giving books to some guests. This is the "kicked off Erin" event referenced in the title (Dave leaving, not Aaron being removed).

Pre-show notes: Tracy prison story and relationship history

Brian reads Tracy's pre-show notes. Tracy reveals she was charged with two felonies at 17 (weapons offenses, drive-by shooting); served ~2.5 years in adult prison. Buddhist. Father: Vietnam vet, traditional values. Sister: sex worker, father accepts it. Met ex at club in Alaska; moved in quickly; relationship became abusive; left state and moved to Texas to escape abusive ex-boyfriend.

Feminism debate: damage to dating and relationships

Panel discusses whether feminism has damaged male-female relationships. Mary: feminism asks women to be second-rate men; based on lie that men and women are equal. Aaron: feminism enabled women to have careers and relationships simultaneously; it's a false dichotomy. Dave had argued feminism sold women on career over family wrongly. Lauren: experienced silencing from sex-worker-exclusionary feminists. Abigail: feminism has good intentions but became damaging; women more fulfilled raising kids. Tracy: ambivalent.

Dave Rubin hypocrisy debate (post-Dave)

Aaron argues Dave Rubin's question ("why do you bring sex workers on if you think it's bad?") implied Brian is hypocritical for shaming sex workers while profiting from their presence. Brian disputes the hypocrisy framing. Aaron accused of "clip farming" the show. Abigail tries to clarify Aaron was summarizing Dave's point, not making her own argument. Brian tells everyone to "shut up, it's my show."

Self-ratings round (looks 1-10)

Brian asks everyone to rate their looks 1-10. Kiki (SPEAKER_11): 7. Aaron: self-rates 10 (Brian refuses to rate her, then says 6). Abigail: 6-6.5. Lexi: 6 (Brian says 7). Brian: 6. Partial ratings only; not all guests rated.

Ho phase and past relationships round

Brian asks who has had a ho phase. Lexi (escort): her whole career is her ho phase. Aaron: never (too busy with school/quarantine). Lauren: Playboy days were her ho phase. Tracy: ambivalent. Fallon: no. Abigail: had brief period finding herself after controlling upbringing. Josanne: never. Brian: declines to answer (man of God).

Sugar daddy discussion

Brian asks who has had a sugar daddy. Lexi: yes, 48yo man in NYC who gave her credit card with no limit; developing feelings for him. Lauren: had a sugar couple (Chicago doctors). Angie: had 4 online sugar daddies as a minor (~17yo); never met in person; sent photos; made ~$6,000. Tracy: declined to answer about current new guy. Others: no sugar daddies.

Men's preferences for women: income, height, physical standards

Debate on whether men are "intimidated" by women who out-earn them. Brian: not intimidation but career-focused women adopt masculine traits; money does not make women more attractive. Aaron: dismissing high-earning women as too masculine is unfair without getting to know them. Discussion of height preferences (women wanting tall men): Brian accepts it has biological basis. Debate on whether women's physical standards (body type preferences) are unfair. Brian: women are pickier about physical traits than men; things women care about (height, penis size, physique) are mostly outside men's control.

Body count and partner preferences roundtable

Discussion of whether body count matters for men. Lauren: 1000+ (professional). Tracy: 3. Others declined or unknown. Brian says over 10 is high body count; would not date women with high body count. Aaron: men having that preference is fine if consistent. Mary: does not object to men preferring low body count. Angie: thinks caring about body count is dumb/insecure. Mary: many women rejected for being sexually inexperienced (virgins). Brian: men rejecting virgins is about timeline, not body count itself.

Dating men who out-earn women / career-focused men as fathers

Aaron asks Brian to consider the reverse: woman who prefers a less career-focused man to ensure he will be a present father. Brian tries to distinguish biological realities. Aaron accuses Brian of straw-manning. Lexi shares anecdote of sugar daddy in Texas with 3 baby mamas who praised their co-parenting because he was too busy to parent himself.

Men's preference for not dating transgender women

Brian asks panel if they object to men choosing not to date transgender women. Most guests: no objection; it's a personal preference. Fallon: no objection, they should not have to, does not make them gay. Josanne: not really her concern.

Closing and wrap-up

Brian wraps up. Thanks panel. Notes show was "torture" but show went on ~5 hours. Dave Rubin's segment described as feeling short in retrospect. Brian raids Twitch Discord; thanks subscribers.

Transcript

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Brian Atlason you for standing up by yourself we were really proud of you for that oh yeah thanks I mean I I don't really like engaging in like any beef or drama tried

Brian Atlasto avoid it so I mean I responded I don't think I was overly aggressive with it I just stated My Views I said I was going to do a more thorough response

Brian Atlasbecause I mean I just heard like it was the day before the show that I heard the him kind of talking trash or whatever so

Brian AtlasI didn't really properly formulate my response to it but um I spent a solid 20 minutes on the previous show talking about it so uh not going to really talk

Josanneabout it tonight I don't would you ever debate Marin on like the disagreements that mean no a boxing match sure or like any any other like taller than me he has

Brian Atlasmore reach he's like it I'm kidding it's fine no I wouldn't I no I don't okay what what was the question sorry oh just if you boing thing derailed it no I was say like would you ever debate my

Brian AtlasRen on anything yeah sure I disagree with him on stuff and I mean I certainly disagree with him on kind of the recent drama between me and it's not even drama it's just like people were asking him he

Brian Atlasresponded but anyways look I'm not going to get into it if you you can see my previous response maybe I'll I'll address it more thoroughly in a future episode but I can't I I That's Mike Davis by the way I'm not gonna I'm not

Brian Atlasgonna get more into it on tonight's show um but good to see you in the chat Mike Davis thank you very much appreciate it so uh where were we uh I forgot what

Brian Atlaswhat were we on I forgot you were surprised that like women would like still date her or whatever even though she I'm not surprised that there are women who would date her that's or men

Brian Atlasthat would date you what I what I'm what I've always been trying to say is for the majority of people I would say whether they're man or woman man or women uh most people don't want to date

Brian Atlassomeone who's a prostitute well I would date somebody like that so I'm saying I think you're missing like I think you're just not trying to listen to what I'm saying I'm not saying that there's zero people that like there's people that

Brian Atlaswould date you that's not what I'm saying I'm saying for the majority of people the majority of people don't want to date a prostitute I heard that do you disagree with that it seems like you want to push back and say no I said yes

Lexi (Escort)99% of people disagreed like three or four times within the span of when you asked me the first time okay but I'm saying now like if a girl is doing only

Lexi (Escort)fans or is it a a legal escort at the Bunny Ranch or whatever and I'm into her or whatever we could be dating and then what a girl who comes to visit you at

Lexi (Escort)your place of work a coworker like a a person I work with I'm saying an individual that has that does only only fans I'm saying I'm

Lexi (Escort)say I meet a girl that only does only fans would she date you is that and we date hit it off we hit it off I mean it could happen we could get married that's what I'm saying like that' be perfect

Josannefor me disagree with your statement at all I don't disagree with your statement all that man around around don't care about you do escort or sex work you know you're just saying you don't think it's

Aaron (straight8)common like most women wouldn't be cool with it I think most women and most most men would prefer to not date someone who's been involved with talk about like a queer woman I actually think she wouldn't care if she was an escort with

Aaron (straight8)mostly male clients she might be jealous or not like if you were like serving other women the thing is I dating I would be dating another sex what does sexuality have to do with political affiliation because we know a

Josanneprogressive think about that okay like that's really not like being okay with gay people or what do you mean no that's not I didn't say gay people well what did you mean by that I know I know the road you're going I ask you what you

Josannewhat you just ask what you meant I don't know what you mean sorry repeat that I you you were saying like we know what progressives think and I was like I was just making a comment about seual pushing for we know what they're pushing for they're pushing for the

Josannenormalization of sex work that's what you guys are trying to do right now so you say yeah a queer person or somebody that's like more Progressive yeah that's like the same people yeah go for it go

Josannewith a progressive person if you want to but most men in general aren't okay dating is sex worker that is not an opinion it's a fact no it's an opinion I feel like no

Josanneit's a fact opion I feel like it's an opinion you feel like it's op you feel like it's a fact an opinion or a fact no there is no do you know what a fact is care about

Josanneyour feelings okay Define what a fact is then how are you where are you getting facts from pull up the facts real quick right now I don't think I don't know if think no exactly because you can't say

Brian Atlasthat it's a fact if you don't if you don't have the backup and also I wanted to add no I don't need a study to be done and look up into the sky and know that the sky is blue it's just're talking but you're talking about somebody that isn't going to be with a

Lexi (Escort)sex worker how are you going to tell two different men if they're going to be with a sex worker or not that's not up to you to decide or for you to even assume that they wouldn't pick sex workers I think it's pretty easy to make

Brian Atlasthe assumption that most people would not want to date a prostitute a good people that have are have what small minds like you how is it small-minded

Lexi (Escort)because it's like how is that small go and sell your body in that's how you feel and that's how you think and not everybody's going to think that about people that are with their Rel are in a

Brian Atlasrelationship and they both do things like that together you guys you guys are stop you guys are missing the point

Brian AtlasI've repeatedly said over and over again I'm not saying that it will be impossible for you to find a person to date you I'm not saying that every

Brian Atlassingle person on the planet would not date a prostitute I am saying most so when I'm saying most I'm saying more than 50% it could be 51% it may very well be

Brian Atlasthat 49% of people would date you what I'm saying is most so at bare minimum 51% I would say the majority of people would not date a prostitute can I and I would say it's 5050 but do you think

Fallonwait really quick you would say it's 50 exactly 50/50 exactly 5050 I would say it's 50/50 and that is my opinion right can I say something go ahead I think a lot of people would say that

Fallonthey wouldn't but if they made that connection they would I mean I think it it go ahead go ahead go ahead go ahead no you can say what you got say go finish your statement finish your

Brian Atlasstatement go ahead I want to play off with what you're going to say so I want you to no finish your you were in the middle go ahead I lost my train of thought now because you were saying that

Josanneif the connection was there then yeah I think I think it would play a role in that still doesn't make the majority nor the 50% that mean I'm

Fallonsaying that I don't know I don't know any statistics I don't know that but I'm saying I think if you did a study I think more people would say that they

Brian Atlaswouldn't than would be stop stop stop stop stop I have a clarifying question that might let's see how tall is your

Brian Atlasboyfriend six 2 how tall are you 57 you're 5'7 he's 6'2 would you date a guy who's shorter than you I would you would I would really if the connection was

Brian Atlasthere I would that's such cab okay it's not do how are you going to I think there needs to be like of

Brian Atlascourse we can say like if the connection is I don't even know what that really saying that you could think that you weren't going to and then you when you

Brian Atlasfall like most most people are not going to give a person a chance for a supposed connection to even develop because the primary thing people are going to screen on is just is there just a base level of

Brian Atlasphysical attraction that's the first step then a then a connection can can develop however it's unless you're like withholding the fact that you guys are

Brian Atlasprostitutes and playing these dudes and waiting until months into the months into the relationship before revealing you're a prostitute if you're upfront with the fact you're that you're a prostitute and you should with romantic

Brian AtlasPartners there's not going to be the ability for a connection to develop because most men's standard is to not date a prostitute okay you're a you seem like a very pleasant person however

Brian Atlasyou're a prostitute that's an immediate nogo otherwise I think you're an attractive girl and you have a very pleasant personality but because you're involved in sex work it's an immediate disqualifier it's a deal breaker there's

Brian Atlasno scenario even though you're you seem like honestly one of the most Pleasant women we've ever had on the show you're an attractive girl I just wouldn't and I'm not saying this to be mean or

Brian Atlasanything I wouldn't date you because of the work that you're involved with and that's the end of the story in the same way that there's plenty of women who don't want to date me because I've got

Brian Atlasthis ridiculous podcast and I'm out there on the internet I don't I don't object to women not wanting to date me because I'm out there and I have you

Aaron (straight8)know maybe controversial opinions I think think that's fine I'm not going to you think it's a better preference for people to immediately disqualify somebody from dating them just because they do sex work do you think that's a

Brian Atlasgood thing there's a lot of there's a lot of fish in the pool and yes I think you in the same way that women disqualify men very quickly for a myriad of reasons yes sex work is a perfectly valid immediate disqualifier yeah I'm

Brian Atlasnot I'm not saying whether or not people are empowered to do that obviously you can do that but I'm asking like would you say that people ought to be doing that they ought to be doing that if if I were to give if I were to advise men if

Brian AtlasI were to advise my audience who are watching if I were to advise my son if I were to advise my male friends or just men in general yes I would strongly recommend not dating

TTS Readerprostitutes it's crazy Common Sense here I just was trying to see have I taught you nothing I have given you all the ammunition you need to shoot down anyone who says sex work or high body counts

Aaron (straight8)are okay and why most people would reject some someone who lives that life educate them on their genital herpes I think I think they're saying like they know most people probably wouldn't but they wouldn't want to date

Aaron (straight8)the people who would disqualify them on that basis anyway and they'd keep looking no sorry what could you repeat that sorry I was reading the chat just that's okay I just think that all they were saying is that it's fine for it's valid for people to have those

Aaron (straight8)preferences but they're not interested in dating people with those preferences that's totally fine but that's not what heing called small minded well what he was saying is just that most people wouldn't which

Aaron (straight8)they're probably he probably right but like what you were saying is that if they if they got to know a sex worker like they might go in with that bias but then if they actually had the opportunity to for whatever reason to get to know a sex worker they could fall for one I agree with you I think it's

Mary Morganpossible that infatuation would last what like 3 months before their objection to a prostitute's work would become a I don't think they would act on it I think they would like oh I'm in love with the stripper but doesn't

Aaron (straight8)change the fact that like I don't see this as comptible with my I don't see this as comptible with my life or whatever so I'm not going to date her but that's different than like the word connection with

Mary Morganinfatuation a guy can be infatuated with a woman who does sex work for a while but does that last into a real relationship that will end in marriage

Mary Morganno like their objection to her line of work will eventually end that relationship do you guys know anyone at the Bunny Ranch who is like a sex worker at the Bunny Ranch and married yes there's plenty of women that are married

Mary Morganat the but we just can't dis do you think they're in like unhappy marriages about men who are already uncomfortable with dating women in that line of work then they just should even if they end up turn your phone over she's saying they're not small-minded because she

Josannecalled those men small minded and they're not and she's trying I mean your preference is your preference but just if you're if you don't want to then just don't what we're saying is that most men would not and you guys are willing to

Josanneadmit that I was speaking ad into it because you're talking about like I think we're just injecting Nuance into it because you're talking about a descriptive claim right observations

Aaron (straight8)about the world it's probably true that most people don't want to date a sex worker I agree with you okay than you we never disagreed with that yeah I'm saying is that it's Poss there's other variables that you're not considering

Aaron (straight8)that could change that and what people what the preferences that people Express are different than their actions and I'm saying that I think that there's plenty of people even though they say that would immediately disqualify it I think there's more people than you guys are

Josannewilling to admit that would change their mind if they actually met a sex worker that they happen to be connected with but the main question we were starting from here is if we would Okay We're looping We're looping like we completely

Brian Atlasderailed but that was the main question that's fine all right so um Lexi you have a crazy dating story um you have a few you said you were in a toxic

Brian Atlasrelationship for about a year and a half and your ex did what to you yeah my my ex um I tried to leave him and this is

Tracy (Lexi)after I had gotten out of prison of course um I got into very very toxic abusive relationship he smashed my car

Tracy (Lexi)windows and slashed my tires yeah and then he was beating me a lot one the day that I had actually moved out of my sister's house I mean not my sister's house his house moved

Tracy (Lexi)into my sister's um he came over and he was like he was beating my ass yeah so in defense of that uh he already knows that I've said i' I stabbed him like

Tracy (Lexi)yeah so I I had to take action and so yeah that's just a crazy did you catch catch some time for that one or no I did not no I did not was it yeah it was self-defense you know we didn't call the cops or anything but I he ended up in

Tracy (Lexi)the hospital we didn't say anything we kind of just like you know that's dang I'm sorry he fell no it's okay can I ask what initially attracted you to him

Tracy (Lexi)he was a a really close friend of mine growing up we were actually um we grew up in the same neighborhood so I guess over time you know as you grow and you get older people change so did you ever

Tracy (Lexi)see red flags in him no I did not it was liter on throughout um the relationship when I started to see the red flags he was actually doing drugs is when I found

Tracy (Lexi)out when um everything started going downhill he was doing um MH cocaine so was that the case the whole time or you just found out about it later or he

Tracy (Lexi)started I think he started doing it like uh while we were in the relationship like I think he got off and he was sober I guess and then uh we met and everything was good and then he started back on doing it again that's when

Tracy (Lexi)things started going downhill like I said so I wasn't attractive to his toxicness you know like it just that's what it fell into like people have great relationships in the beginning and then

Tracy (Lexi)later on it gets really abusive you know how like in the beginning you go through the honeymoon stage and then you're not happy it like that happens and that's just life in general yeah I don't think women go out of their way to date

Aaron (straight8)abusers I think what you're saying start relationship becomes toxic and then that's when you realize like oh I'm in a relationship with somebody who's abusing me and then you've been taught to subvert and and a lot of women

Tracy (Lexi)um stay in those toxic relationships it took me a very long time to get out of that relationship I actually had to leave State I moved to Texas because it was like from him yeah after that um

Tracy (Lexi)that had happened it was like okay I need to leave out of state and is that a lot of women that are in abusive relationships figures that out sooner or later like you you got to do what you

Tracy (Lexi)have to do I know you love and care about that person and you might the toxicity of like a relationship like when you think of blue face and like cran I guess you know like they were so in love and stuff like that but they're hella toxic for each other you know and

Tracy (Lexi)then they had their kid and they separated way that was love I meant to cran it was love you know to it was business yeah exactly also I just wanted to point out I I know

Brian Atlasyou brought up I know we this is from way back earlier in the conversation I know you brought up your dad and I wasn't trying to make the point that I thought he was weak because maybe I

Brian Atlasthought you what I was say trying to say though I was surprised that it sounded like you you said that your dad was supportive of your sister engaging in sex work which to me is surprising in

Brian Atlasthe same way that it's surprising that her parents um I mean I do think your role as a father is to protect your children and I do think I

Brian Atlasmean your role as a father is to keep your son out of prison and your daughter off the stripper pole so that you can take that for sex

Brian Atlaswork like I do think men have a duty to try to I mean raise their children so they don't end up becoming either criminals or sex

Tracy (Lexi)workers yeah I mean I guess I guess I did fall into the category of being a criminal in my family you know I me I'm the only person that actually went to prison that time and then my sister you know she does only fans but at the same time might the way I grew up with my

Tracy (Lexi)father and me being Asian and you know him coming from La after the war and then coming here to America he had to learn certain things and you know certain stuff like that so it's just like he's not judgmental and he taught me not to be judgment Al towards other

Tracy (Lexi)people like if that's your perspective that's what you want to do go ahead and do it I have a sister that's super feminine energy like she doesn't have no man she works at she makes like $100,000

Tracy (Lexi)a year no not yeah she makes like six figures right and then I have another sister that's a tech worker and I do have a sister that actually is on drugs right now so my whole family is just everywhere and so that's why for me I

Lexi (Escort)take in perspective of everybody's life and their I can tell that you're such a like genuine kind kindhearted person because of the way you were raised I can tell that your parents did a wonderful job raising you I only grew up with my

Lexi (Escort)father I didn't grow up with my mom my mom actually put me in foster home well he did a good job because you know like for you to come out into the real world and not judge others and see them for who they are as long as you're not a lot

Tracy (Lexi)of people can't do that as long as you're not coming into my world and being you know coming into my home and my house and being like hey I'm going to with your man like you know like women in I feel like in the sex industry knows

Tracy (Lexi)how to line theirself up when it comes to you know these women over here that you know you guys want to be married and have a man you know all that stuff I feel like in the sex industry they know

Tracy (Lexi)where that line crosses she's not going to hop into your crib and be like yo I'm trying to man don't think she I'm saying just in a perspective the end of the day

Brian Atlasat stop at the end of the day ultimately what even if your father does everything he he can at the individual level you can he tries his best you can

Brian Atlasstill get involved in these situations um so I certainly at the individual level you can't fully put the blame on the parents because people can be otherwise good parents and the kids can

Mary Morganstill end up making mistakes or getting involved in in either crime or sex work but I mean if a daughter goes to her father and says I'm going to become a sex worker or I'm a sex worker and he

Aaron (straight8)doesn't make any effort to discourage that I think that is a failure to protect his daughter from the world and that is a natural instinct that every father should have I think your socioeconomic status is

TTS Readerprobably going to be more likely to determine whether or not your children are going to be sex workers or my Davis donated $100 Brian you don't got to make this

TTS Readerwhole press conference response to F and Def all you got to say is you capitalist country I'm married to the money so spoken by an expert in the

TTS Readerfield plus you have an edge with prety girls to equal as Dums degenerate

Brian Atlasuh yeah no I mean uh I feel like I already addressed it but yeah just they're basically uh Hypocrites I

Aaron (straight8)mean that's that's really all I have to say I mean it is what it is um so I was just saying I I don't think it's all about values I think what's going to end up being a more likely thing that determines it is whether or not like

Aaron (straight8)what your socioeconomic background is because I don't think most sex workers have gone to college I don't think they have higher education they probably have are less likely to have even graduated high school and that is all stuff that's like associated with people who are of

Brian Atlaslike more limited means you know the wealthier you are is it more tempting is it more tempting to turn to crime and to sex work if you are in a financially

Brian Atlasdifficult position I suppose plenty but there are plenty of people who are in just as bad or Worse Financial positions that don't turn to crime and don't turn

Mary Morganto sex work well what you just said really flies in the face of this like narrative that sex work is empowering because you're recognizing majority Wasing I never said I'm not saying it's

Mary Morganyour narrative I'm just saying there is a general narrative in the discourse about sex work that it is empowering for the women who do it um but you're recognizing that the majority of the time those sex workers are turning to it

Aaron (straight8)out of desperation not because it makes them happy you're the I guess the the phrase like turning to it is like loaded I'm just saying it's like just very neutrally I think it's a lot more likely that if you're raised in an environment like a socioeconomic environment that

Aaron (straight8)you have like less money if you're raised in poverty you're probably not going to have higher education that's already going to make you more likely to do it if you have more wealth in your family you're probably going to get education you're probably going to have a like a white color job it's way you're

Aaron (straight8)way less likely to do sex work I think it's going to have way less to do with like the personal values that are instilled like there are examples of it like Lawrence Fishburn right his daughter is a is a porn star and like he

Aaron (straight8)just like I think he just owned her it's very very like R yeah Bas yeah is that what you would do if you're if like you got married and your daughter became a porn star against like everything that

Josanneyou told her went against all of your values that being a six worker is going down the wrong path basically as being would you prute if my daughter was a prostitute if your daughter grew up to

Aaron (straight8)be a porn star or a prostitute would you a No a porn star if your daughter grew up to be a porn star would you would you I would yes okay you would Dishon your daughter for being would you dis your daughter for being so when we say disown

Aaron (straight8)though are we saying like never talk to her again he completely shunned her he never he doesn't speak about her like when he's been asked in interviews he doesn't even talk about her I would make

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Brian Atlasthank you man appreciate it so to answer your question first off I would make as vigorous an attempt as possible one to raise her correctly so that she would not even consider that as an option if

Brian Atlasshe was considering it I would again make as vigorous and strong a case against it as possible if she got into it I would continue making as vigorous

Brian Atlasand strong a case for her to stop if she continued then and it was like then yes I would it would be so disappointing to me that I would probably disown my daughter that's crazy I would that's

Lexi (Escort)crazy to me because if you love that's unconditional love you have kids that's you you're supposed to love them unconditionally always be there for them if your kids turn to like became had a drug addiction right would you like I

Brian Atlasdon't think it would be right to dis your it would sort of be the same thing I would I would see you said your disgusting to turn

Lexi (Escort)your back on an it's it's disgusting for me that you're willing to turn your back on your own offspring that's disgusting to me so say whatever you want to be disg for valid reason how there's no C

Brian Atlaslet me ask you a question there's no circumstances under which you would not turn on your children or perhaps like your parents what if they committed some heinous

Aaron (straight8)crime we're we're talking about what if they abused you if my parents abused me would that be would that be or your children ABY you would have to separate yourselves from them but if my parents

Aaron (straight8)wanted to come to me and apologize for something like that and then demonstrated through their actions that they never would doled but you acknowledge then I would never cut them off out of my life knowledge there are

Brian Atlassome circumstances your child could do some act in which you would distance yourself from them or disown them you you acknowledge that right I know but I'm speaking in the sense of like sex work right now yeah you said abuse and

Brian Atlaswe're just talking about sex your daughter becoming a porn star would be you would never that's how thoroughly disappointed I would be in my daughter if she was involved in sex work yes for you as as

Aaron (straight8)your as her father I think you're supposed to be there for her even through like the roughest points of her life those are choices she's making a choice to do making the choice disown her and I'm saying I don't think that

Brian Atlaswould what is dising exactly means you just no longer like speak you no longer speak to them you sh I want to ask the chat I'm just curious about the chat like if would do you guys agree with me

Brian Atlasdo you disagree with me agree with me disagree one if you agree with me two if you disagree with me I'm just curious because hey maybe I'm wrong maybe it would be wrong to disown your daughter if she was is she saying mean things to

Mary Morganlike constantly person saying mean personally I would not disown my daughter but I think you guys are thinking of love and unconditional love as unconditional acceptance of their choices and that's not the same thing we

Aaron (straight8)accept that they want to turn around change but as they don't change there's no that's why I did the example of like if your son struggled with like substance abuse right was continually harming themselves by being addicted to

Aaron (straight8)like heroin or something like that I don't think that by you not disowning them is you saying oh well I'm happy the fact that you have a substance abuse I think you're being there to support them as their father are saying it's like keep lending them 20 bucks every time

Josannethey need it literally when does it become enabling at some point like like to yeah that's you see what I mean well said enabling uh no I don't think like not dising your child they do sex work

Josanneis not dising okay it's not dis zoning is just cutting ties with okay like the dis zoning I don't know to what legal level I don't know I don't know I I would I would say that actually for

Brian Atlasexample you see this when it comes to politics families like become um what's the word for it uh like splintered

Aaron (straight8)splintered over politics so I think this is also a valid reason pathetic though I think people who like if if like you are not talking to your your parents because they voted for Trump or Biden I think that's no but but I I'm saying that

Brian Atlasthat's I actually think that that's perhaps even a lesser thing well I mean people have different values I mean I'm not trying to compare one to the other but AB Che thank you for the 20 men appreciate it yes so yeah I I don't know

Aaron (straight8)what the I don't think any of us would disown a family member over politics like my parents are I know people do that I think unfortunate I think it's like a stupid thing I think like if you

Aaron (straight8)disown your family over a political disagreements barring like extreme fundamentalist I think you would come to regret that and like when they die on their deathbed I think that you'd see like just how stupid and inconsequential it was to like separate

Josanneyourself from your parents over it's funny because I hear a lot of kids that are like liberal Progressive dis own their Trump supporter parents yeah that's CR if they're that's up

Josannethat's so stupid to me that super I just don't know if it's to place change to make a job position uh I I'll get to that yeah I think so are you saying Progressive kids

Aaron (straight8)should accept conservatives older than them their parents people around them yeah I don't think that you should be shunning your parents or family just because they voted for Trump that's insane thank or vice versa if you're a trump supporting

Aaron (straight8)family and you disown your kid cuz they support Biden that's insane uh Abby right it's Abby Abigail but yeah Abigail if your daughter you want to have kids right I do if your daughter like would

Abigailyou disown your daughter I couldn't I couldn't disown my daughter no I mean if she if my daughter was doing something that I thought was damaging and she kept doing it and kept doing it and kept doing it um I would realize that the way

Abigailthat I'm going about trying to uh get her away from that is wrong I would try to evaluate and determine a better way of going about it but no I wouldn't I

Abigailcouldn't just cut ties with my child same if like my um my son was doing something like uh yeah using drugs or drug dealing and I thought it was wrong

Abigailno matter the amount of disappointment I would feel I just that's my son I cannot turn my back on him I will try to I will try to um keep them from doing it and if

Abigailwhat I'm doing isn't working like I said I would change what I'm doing um and if I did have to cut ties it wouldn't feel good it's not what I want to do but um like let's say if my

Abigailchild wanted nothing to do with me because they felt that I was like pushing my beliefs onto them and I was wrong and they wanted nothing to do with

Abigailme uh I would wait for them to uh to come back and I would pray and I would hope that they would but no I would never be the one to cut off ties with my

Aaron (straight8)child I would not disown my child I think you're going to be more willing to like or more likely to actually entrench the fact that she would be like in that industry if you disown them I think the thing that would if you were like really dead set on like getting

Aaron (straight8)your daughter out of being like in the sex industry or porn stars I don't think disowning them at that moment is going to be the thing that makes them like realize like oh yeah maybe I shouldn't be doing this if anything they'll be like my family abandoned me them I'm going to like do this for sure

Aaron (straight8)I think if you show love and vulnerability and say like we're here any time for you I don't support ites the zoning mean actually I know that's we we determined cut ties that's what we

Aaron (straight8)said Sony means like you're you're my mom and I'm just going to never talk to you again you're no long my mom please move the mic over and speak into it sorry yeah like if your mom looked at you and was like you're not my daughter

Aaron (straight8)anymore I'm never going to speak to you again don't tell people that we that you're my child I'm not going to basically sign anything not you just never speak to them again you can do that though it's possibly I think the

Brian Atlaskids can it's probably easy I've already stated I've already stated that I would attempt first off I would attempt to raise her so so that just wouldn't even be a Poss possibility to

Brian Atlasbegin with but of course despite parents' best best efforts kids still up or they get involved in these things so whatever I would try to dissuade her if she was again

Brian Atlasconsidering going into it I would try to convince her not to if she got into it I would make another good faith effort to stop her from doing it an intervention yeah I would make efforts so it wouldn't

Brian Atlasjust be like an instant drop immediate disown but at some point it would yes I think eventually like if uh I mean it's it's depending on what right obviously

Brian Atlasthere's there's degrees and severity to it but if she was a prostitute for example I mean it's going to be very hard for me to well if she reached out to you again and said I've put that behind me I no longer want to do this

Aaron (straight8)there can be reconciliation there can be reconation that's not the same thing this isn't too personal are you religious or like a man of God I claim to I claim to be a man of

Aaron (straight8)God take God's name in vain right like do you think a Christian are you a man of God go ahead with your like do you think that Jesus or God would ever

Mary Morganinstruct like his children to like you as a man turn your back on your child I mean the story of the prodigal son is he he comes back and repents and the father accepts him back and that's I think what

Aaron (straight8)Brian referred to there still possibility like the Christian thing like I don't see that as I think Christianity is all about forgiveness I think the whole point is supposed to be that you would never turn your back on your children or do you disagree you

Brian Atlasthink that's like The Godly thing to do I guess I can't speak for how other people on like how you you personally like how you view your relationship with Jesus I've already told you I've already told you what my position is on this

Brian Atlasright if after multiple best efforts attempting to get her to not engage in this Behavior I failed it would be in

Brian Atlasthe same way that like we all choose to be if if somebody is not behaving in a way that we find appropriate then we we are of course within our right to cease

Brian Atlasbeing in a relationship with somebody or having a relationship with someone so if my daughter kids are not just any that's not just a relationship biological connection yes I know but the the the

Brian Atlasdegree of disappointment that I would feel would make it very difficult for me to have a relationship with my daughter but you are saying that you

Aaron (straight8)know that relationship could be rekindled if she put that P what if she did it behind your back for years you somehow never managed to find out that she had been doing escorting 5 years you'd be thoroughly

Aaron (straight8)disappointed but it didn't manifest in her actions or behavior because for 5 years she kept it a secret from you that she was escorting if you found out 5 years later she's been ESC for the last years no she doesn't stop I'm saying that you you find out somehow very

Aaron (straight8)specific she's been escorting no no I just want to see that because you were like no I like in the first scenario or whatever you knew the entire time you're like I try to stop I try to intervene and I'm like what if she's been doing it for 5 years and you never know yeah you

Brian Atlasnever knew I I suppose to some once you find out would you would I what her for that Ian certainly to some degree ignorance is bliss in that situation but um would I dis is she continuing to do

Brian Atlasthe work that she's doing yep again I would it wouldn't be an immediate disown but I would say I did not know this let's try to correct what

Brian AtlasI see as dysfunctional behavior and I would try to I would try toide her it be if you didn't know her 5 years what do you mean because I'm saying for 5 years she kept a secret good yeah but you're

Brian Atlassaying that like dun somebody if if you were in a relationship for 5 years you had a husband and he was cheating on you for 5 years but you didn't know about it that doesn't that doesn't change the fact that there was infidelity I'm not

Aaron (straight8)saying it would change the fact that that she was an escort it would make her an escort in the circumstance that you're saying I'm not say it wouldn't change the fact that he cheated on me you're saying like how can it be dysfunctional if you didn't

Brian Atlasnotice dysfunctional whether I know it whether I there there can be dis there's dysfunction in the world whether I know about it or not doesn't change the fact that it's dysfunctional what's

Aaron (straight8)dysfunctional about sex work to you really I yes I disagree with you I need to know why you think that okay the the damage that

Aaron (straight8)okay first off sexually transmitted diseases very high risk of that SDI you guys and that's a legal brothel they get tested more than anyone and we get tested once a week on the dot do they

Brian Atlastest you for herpes every you get tested that have be honest do they test you for herpes be honest Abby I actually why are you turning to her do they test you for herpes

Brian Atlasdon't they they they get a swab every week and they test us for they test you because there's a higher risk they test they need to test us for on the pet you don't want to answer because the truth is in the sex work industry in the porn

Brian Atlasindustry they don't test for herpes because if they did there would be no industry because everybody in the porn industry will get herpes we had a girl on the panel two

Brian Atlasweeks ago who has Herpes she's actively working in the sex industry despite the fact that She has herpes and this is just like an Open Secret in the porn industry they check for gonorrhea they

Brian Atlasdo HIV they do syphilis anything that they can check for I believe they don't check for for HPV they don't check for herpes if you work in the porn industry you will get herpes on a long enough

Brian Atlastimeline she got it within 6 months of getting it they don't test for herpes because it would be the end of the porn industry is it by herpes do you

Mary Morganmean do you have herpes no I don't have herpes they don't test RIS so far beyond just getting an STI though HPV is the

Aaron (straight8)most common STI it's way more common and you're asymptomatic by kids get C and that's a former herpes finish his list why it's damaging you're fear Monger about Herpes unless you mean

Aaron (straight8)specifically like warts or like related to like genitals yeah there's a lot of different types of herpes and I think the the first one is there's a different types of herpes and I'm pretty sure

Aaron (straight8)there's one type you work to have herpes or H just sharing drinks and no they don't even recommend that you get the HPV vaccine past the age of 24 about her like well there past the age of 24

Aaron (straight8)because you probably you probably already have it it's that common okay okay the risk of doing it was like super risky and I'm saying like yeah it's so risky but it's way more common you were acting like it's specific to sex workers

Aaron (straight8)but HPV and herpes herpes simplex super common super common that's probably why they don't even bother testing for it there there's H there's uh HSV one hsv2 and that's from one one of them is from

Lexi (Escort)getting yeah one is more common than the other and one of them is like you can Contra like sharing drinks like if I had herpes are you guys really defending

Aaron (straight8)herpes I I'm just a little confused here I I'm saying that you're confused on how widespread those STI are because the general population is likely to have those anyway and they don't need to be

Lauren Rosesthat's incorrect here and if you're saying that like person I could go to my doctor and test myself for herpes and show that I'm clean like I have Kaiser Brian can I

Mary Morgancontinue listenting can you get off your phone please go ahead Brian I would like you to continue listing the risks Beyond just STDs because there are many more that you didn't one and then that was it

Brian Atlasso sorry so the question was what what is the damage of doing sex how is it dysfunctional I said how it how is it dysfunctional well I I do believe

Brian Atlasthat that sex is what as you have more sex you you delink intimacy from sex and it just becomes

Brian Atlassport it's just like it it it loses its intimacy um so and I think sex is a way that you and your partner ought to bond so um I feel like it sounds like what you're saying is that it makes it

Aaron (straight8)dysfunctional for that person and the partner that they may or may not be with but does it make them dysfunctional as a human being overall well your sexuality is extremely Central to who you are as a person so yeah I'm not saying that it's

Aaron (straight8)not you you think that doing sex work makes you dysfunctional as a human being overall yes yes and that's why you disown them you're just because this all started with like you saying that you

Brian Atlaswould have to do it because sex work is so dysfunctional I'm happy to answer your question but I've repeatedly wanted to move away from the sex work conversation we've been on it for 3 and 1 half hours and you

Brian Atlasguys keep wanting to bring it back to the sex work convers like I'm happy to answer your question but like first off can you maybe try to give the other girls an

Josanneopportunity to speak like oh my God the answer is yes by the way okay

Brian Atlaswe got over the Mary I I almost want to like pass it to Mary because I'm just like I almost I'm frustrated with the conversation Mar what are

Mary Morganthe on the ways in which you think it it's dysfunctional to engage INX did you want to continue the conversation about sex work on that and then we can move on Yeah well yeah you listed STDs you guys get tested so often because you have a

Mary Morganhigher risk of getting them that's a fact and then um you mentioned the fact that it hurts your ability to link

Mary Morganintimacy with sex which I believe that is the purpose of sex it's supposed to be a way that two people connect with each other spirit and physically and if

Mary Morganyou're doing that as a transaction that is not a real human connection you cannot have a real human connection with someone that is also a transaction so

Mary Morganyeah it hurts your ability to pair bond in the future um I have all sorts of reasons that I think it's dysfunctional that aren't in common with Brian because

Mary MorganI'm religious but we don't even have to get into that like just on the surface level those are those are things that are extremely important and when it came to the conversation about disowning kids

Mary MorganI think what it's really about is our fundamental disagreement is do we think it's a parent's duty to discourage their child from going into sex work some people at

Mary Morganthis table think yes it's a parents duty to protect them from that and discourage them from that and it seems like the rest of you don't think that it is a parents duty to do that I don't think that was the main contention but we can

Aaron (straight8)move on I agree move on oh my God okay um Brian you have the mic when you were like We're looping on this it's like just change the the topic

Brian Atlasyou're the moderator trying I mean I've tried but you guys continue bringing it back to the all right um grid One Motorsports the entire right side of the panel is make the best argument for is

Brian Atlasmaking the best argument for passport Bros I have seen in a while like cuz I was literally asking Lexi about her prison thing and then within like immediately it's back on the sex work

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Brian Atlasmen are broken not 304s okay thank you wax all right there you have so much there you have it from wax okay we have uh let me see here we

Brian Atlashave grid One Motorsports no man that knows his worth wants to date marry or even have coffee with a Village bicycle how hard is this to understand sure some dudes will take the free sex but that's

Brian Atlasit yo grid one thank you man appreciate it uh danger close Canadian 100 thank you man appreciate it so if s work is work can a boss at any type of workplace

Brian Atlaschange or make a job position that requires giving BJ and smashing it would have to be follow that to it would have to be done at a legal establishment like the broel at Bunny

Brian AtlasRanch there should be a driveth through that's like a drivethru like the guy just like it's they drive up in their car stick their a

Brian Atlasdrivethru drive-thru we'll call it MC you should go over the bunny R and Pitch this yeah I'll talk to him um yo Kenny blinkin ship

Brian AtlasBrian pretty cringe of you to dodge Dave's question in bad faith you know why you have these girls on the Pod the same girls you use as clickbait in your thumbnails to rack up the

Aaron (straight8)views to be on here thank you Kenny blank literally a definition of bad faith by you hypocrite are you okay with being clickbait be on there I don't why I'm not sure why you're doing the finger snapping for to Kenny what because I

Brian Atlasthink it's so funny because it's true if you agree with it then why are you okay with being clickbait thumbnail what true to dodge Dave's question I mean i' I'd have to watch it back but was somebody

Brian Atlasbasically interrupted me and then the it was a to be fair the conversation was moving very fast there was a lot of super chats coming in

Aaron (straight8)I it was just based on it was basically saying that you know why did I think Dave was like what is your purpose for having these women on if like unless cuz he I guess he was saying that like you

Aaron (straight8)guys disagree a lot clearly like if you want I'm not sure what like what he's trying to get at though I don't think he was like I thought I thought he was insinuating that you're being judgmental even though you're the

Aaron (straight8)one inviting like women who disagree with you and and have different like backgrounds than you purposefully and then you come on they have agency they're choing I think being judgmental is not

Brian Atlasgiving someone a seat no was it's just not what what is I mean like so am I only I Kenny are you making the argument that I'm should only invite on women who

Brian Atlasagree with me first off that wouldn't make for a very interesting show if everybody just agreed uh people constantly h on in the online space debate people that they disagree with

Aaron (straight8)yeah but he was saying it's a symbiotic relationship you invite on the 304s the bimbos so you can btfo them for like in the in the debate about us and post on Twitter how you would never date a

Lexi (Escort)like when why are you why are you doing air quotes that is true as because exactly why I air qued it because it was your words not mine aired

Lexi (Escort)it people air quote as if to suggest it's not actually true no I said I quoted you right so that's what I'm saying so why are you here then

Brian AtlasI I'm sort of likeing like for starters the initial times that you guys were on you reached out to me to come be on the show I

Brian Atlasinvite on people of different view points and backgrounds it's not like but this time you invited them back right yeah I asked right I he was like why do

Brian Atlasyou do that why do I invite because I book people to why do I invite people back on to the show I'm just kid they make show entertaining because

Lauren Roseshe's running a business you can dunk on them right you can dunk on them so you can show these three4 who's the boss is that not the whole setup of the show or what this is Free Speech I've I've tried to get on so many podcast and you know what they said you're a sex worker no

Lauren Rosesthanks even I knew two of the hosts and they wanted me on but apparently the booker didn't like me and she said we don't want sex workers on the show and it's just like it is so cool to go on podcast like this because here is a

Lauren Rosesvoice that exists in society a silent minority majority whatever and I am given a seat at a table real suppression real misogyny is not giving someone a

Lauren Rosesseat to even talk and and and and literally I'm so sick of like of media being like that and it's just like I've been in media for years and it's so hard be you know having a been a sex I don't

Josannewant to yeah we'll move on but anyways yeah I'm a I'm a musician actually and I you know how it is it's like they look down upon that and they lay but I don't do I don't do that and they're still

Josannethey stole my audio fingerprint so this stroke kid stole my audio fingerprint took down like my stuff is still there they're stealing their royalties that they owe me still by the way don't use

Brian Atlasdistal kid guys the are we talking about what the are we talking about what the does dist kid have to do

Josannewith this conversation I'm like we're like on oppos I get suppressed too so does it have anything to do with you being a sex worker being like everything

Lauren Rosesand and I'm not suppressed here I have a mic here I have a seat here I am not suppressed here but I get suppressed for being a conservative who is not like that essed here can you please not do

Kikithe Roman you're here I know that's perfect that's I'm noted feels good it feels good one microphone at a time donated $100 oh my

Lexi (Escort)God this is violet Mary do you want to respond to this no rejected go ahead you asked me what

Lexi (Escort)my point on or why I came on the podcast and that's what we were saying is that he gives us a a chance to talk about our sex work life or whatever and that's what we're here to do is educate people

Brian Atlasand talk about lives and all that okay just to bring it back to Kenny's Super Chat it's just it's a little confusing to me because are people not allowed to

Brian Atlashave interact with people that they disagree with thank you Dave Dave Ruben does speeches at colleges typically to Li I well I mean

Brian Atlasperhaps I don't know what audiences but surely liberal people come to his audience they do q&as I I don't really know what it would be much but it

Brian Atlaswouldn't be much of a debate if you didn't bring us and other people that don't right you know what I me bring on people I disagree with because it's

Brian Atlasthat's a a good forum to be able to have these conversations I could bring on a whole like an echo chamber so everybody could just agree with I

Aaron (straight8)guess but I bring on people who disagree with me and we have a debate it that question in the context of us discussing like preferences related to like porn consumption would you date a sex worker and not have to bring you back to that

Aaron (straight8)but that was the context of it I think he felt that you were being I guess kind of disrespectful to them and he was saying that like you're being somewhat hypocritical too because he was saying you benefit from sex workers existing because you bring them on your platform

Aaron (straight8)and you get to have discussions about it you get to put beautiful women in your thumbnails and that you financially profit from that by having this show where people can donate super chats to you and it's all because the women are pissing them off that's why people

Brian Atlasdonate to you and I think half half of what the super chats are is to talk about the women and so first off actually in today's thumbnail there are no sex workers in

Brian Atlasthe thumbnail it's you it's a girl who ended up flaking and it's actually an AI you never put a sexil I have but that

Brian Atlaswould be representative of the person that's on the show so me posting a photo like I can I can I I I'm still like kind of failing to see the point Dave was

Aaron (straight8)saying how are you going to shame sex workers when you literally benefit from sex workers existing by bringing them on your platform and using them for money for click for clicks for views and for this conversation that was what I think

Brian Atlaspoint out I still fail to see are you suggesting that I'm not allowed to bring on it's just the way you go about it sometimes I think the way

Aaron (straight8)on their podcast and you say how can you sh platform them I'm just it's not my argument I'm trying to understand what I think Dave was coming from when he asked the question I think we all agree it's a

Josannebad point yeah I just think it it's like I think there's nothing wrong with running a business too if anything there's nothing wrong are doing they're running a business make it that neutral something that is

Brian Atlasdegenerate okay hold on like okay okay I'm just like it's kind of a

Brian Atlasdifficult thing to like wrap my head around

Brian Atlasbut I'm just it's I'm kind of annoyed honestly um the we can move on yeah good idea no so you're just not supposed to give people a seat I guess I guess I'm

Aaron (straight8)supposed to just pack and leave because like Society like say I I think I thought Dave was trying to imply he being hypocritical I don't think he was saying that you supposed to have the the whole conversation

Brian Atlasoriginated at I would not date a sex worker that does not preclude me from having the because I would not date a sex

Aaron (straight8)worker does not preclude me from inviting sex workers onto my show I didn't think he criticized you for having the conversation I think he was criticizing the fact that you said sex

Aaron (straight8)work is bad for society to shame women who do sex work even though he was pointing that did I say that I don't I'm trying to characterize I think Dave Ruben's impression of you was and he's looking at your business

Aaron (straight8)model and he's saying part of your business model part of your business model is having 304s and hoes in your thumbnail and you benefit by dunking on them that's it we can move on that's all I'm saying I just think you're trying to clip Farm cuz that's not really what he

Aaron (straight8)said but let's move on okay okay this whole show is clip farming this whole show is supposed to be CLI farming you came here we all know that's why you came here no I think that's what you do like your whole thing is clip farming but there's nothing wrong with that I'm saying

Aaron (straight8)that's just what you do she's not you can make your money clip farming and dunking on like all the three fours and women invite on as many sex workers as you want you're free to dunk on them no one's no one's forced to be here everyone here is like coming here voluntarily think he was just

Mary Morgansaying it was hypocritical that you say it's bad for society you benefit from it in like a roundabout way then I B isn't here to say what his point was so why does it matter to

Brian Atlasdebate what his point was yeah but I okay I benefit if I

Brian Atlaswere let's say let's say I was a I was an atheist and I invited on a religious person to debate them I disagree with their position I don't share their

Brian Atlasposition you would then be able to make the like this is just

Brian Atlaslike I'm so I've been bombarded with this line of questioning for four hours now and it's so tiring I can't even think straight but

Aaron (straight8)um what's your point I was only trying to summarize where it wasn't my point I'm only trying to like understand where you you seems confused about what the Super Chat was saying it had to do with Dave rubin's question I said Remember

Aaron (straight8)the context I think Dave Rubin was trying to insinuate that you were being a hypocrite he kept being like I'm not coming for you bro I'm not saying I disrespect it I'm just saying like this is what I see and that in a small way even though you say sex work is like shameful you're benefiting from it in a

Aaron (straight8)small way I think that was his point it's not mine I'm benef well in if I'm telling but I think what you're saying I'll still man you what you're saying is that if you were an atheist you R an atheist podcast and you were critici if you said to a Christian guest your

Aaron (straight8)worldbe is bad for society and they turned to you and they were like it can't be that bad cuz I'm here and you get to make money from my appearance it wouldn't make Christianity good that's what you're saying it's not an endorsement in that way just just because I invite somebody onto the

Brian Atlaspodcast it doesn't mean that I need to agree with their positions and it whether you could certainly make the argument that if I invite on somebody

Brian Atlaswho's a sex worker and we there's a clip or something of them talking about sex work that I somehow benefit from like

Brian AtlasI'm when the I don't see what the issue is when you guests on you know you're going to disagree with them right for the most part not always not always I gu I guess he was he just

Aaron (straight8)seemed skeptical he seemed skeptical to me that you were open to some of the ideas from like sex workers because if you fundamentally disagree with gives people a voice people a voice and not

Josannenot I don't think that's what sex workers a voice it's the person behind Beni from the person the Friendship hold on jie Aaron is not

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