Dave Rubin, Timcast Mary vs. Kicked Off Erin! (HEADACHE) | Dating Talk #112

Date: 2023-10-25

Duration: 5h 13m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLexi (Escort)>

AAaron (straight8)>

LLauren (Brothel)>

AAngie (DT112)>

TTracy (DT112)>

FFallon (DT112)>

AAbigail (DT112)>

JJosanne (DT112)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Dave Rubin(guest)

SPEAKER_02Angie(guest)

SPEAKER_03Josanne(guest)

SPEAKER_05Lexi (Escort)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Aaron (straight8)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Fallon(guest)

SPEAKER_09Tracy (Lexi)(guest)

SPEAKER_10Abigail(guest)

SPEAKER_11Kiki(host)

SPEAKER_12Lauren Roses(guest)

SPEAKER_13Mary Morgan(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian Atlas opens show from Santa Barbara, CA.

“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast... I am your host Brian Atlas”

IntroAll guests introduce themselves: Lexi (23, Bunny Ranch escort/OF/stripper), Aaron/straight8 (24, streamer, straight edge, vegan, new relationship), Lauren Roses (31, Bunny Ranch courtesan/musician/PR, returning guest), Angie (19, movies/clothing brand), Tracy/Lexi (23, poker player, Alaska), Fallon (18, UCSB sociology), Mary Morgan (23, Timcast commentator), Abigail (20, nanny/gymnastics coach), Dave Rubin (47, Rubin Report, FL, gay married).

Key MomentDave Rubin defends sex workers as individuals doing nothing illegal while not endorsing sex work: "I will defend a human being who is sitting across from me who is doing nothing illegal with her life." Lexi thanks him for treating her like a human being.

“I will defend a human being who is sitting across from me who is doing nothing illegal with her life”

QuoteDave Rubin on finding a partner: "you just have to find somebody that will push you in ways that will make you a little bit better."

“the trick is you just have to find somebody that will just like push you in the ways that will make you a little bit better”

ControversyDave Rubin leaves show after Aaron suggests he debate Sam Seder. Rubin calls Seder "a horrible horrible human being" and calls Aaron "a troll." Offers books to other guests but not Aaron.

“oh you're a troll I knew something was up with you this whole time”

QuoteMary Morgan: "feminism is based on an insidious lie that there is no difference between men and women and that we should be expected to act exactly the same way."

“feminism as an ideology is based on an insidious lie that there is no difference between men and women”

Key MomentBrian states he would disown his daughter if she entered sex work and refused to stop despite all his interventions.

“then yes I would it would be so disappointing to me that I would probably disown my daughter”

Key MomentLauren Roses reveals she has MS and prefers open relationships where her partner can have another woman, out of insecurity about her illness being too much for one person.

“I have MS and so sometimes I think it gets too crazy for people to handle... I want the man to have another woman because...”

QuoteKiki self-rates 7/10. Aaron self-rates 10/10. Brian rates Aaron a 6.

“a solid seven 10 to 10 baby I'm a six I'm a six I'm a 6.5 today”

ControversyAaron accuses Brian of "clip farming" with sex workers — profiting from dunking on them while claiming to condemn sex work. Brian becomes frustrated after ~4 hours of debate.

“this whole show is clip farming this whole show is supposed to be clip farming... you can make your money clip farming and dunking on like all the three fours”

QuoteBrian shouts down panel: "yo yo yo shut up it's my show I will choose when we move on"

“yo yo yo shut up it's my show I will choose when we move on or don't”

ControversyAngie (19yo) reveals she had 4 online sugar daddies as a minor (~17yo), sent partial nude photos via Snapchat, made ~$6,000. Never met any in person. Shocked panel.

“the most was like a thousand in one day like for like 20 pictures... I went to LA for a weekend and that was like 3,000”

Key MomentLexi reveals she has a sugar daddy (48yo NYC man, never married) who gave her his credit card with no spending limit; she is starting to develop feelings for him.

“he's actually given me one of his credit cards so I just use his credit card and then at the end of the month he pays it off... I am starting to catch little feels for this man”

Key MomentLauren Roses reveals she had a sugar couple (married doctors from Chicago).

“I don't have a sugar daddy currently but I remember I had a sugar couple and they were so cool... they were doctors and Chicago”

Key MomentTracy reveals she was charged with two felonies at age 17 for weapons offenses (drive-by shooting) and served ~2.5 years in adult prison.

“I was um 17 got out when I was like 19 almost 20... adult prison yes I didn't get charged as a juvenile so I went straight to prison”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship status round

All guests introduce themselves with name, age, occupation. Brian goes around table asking relationship status, longest relationship. Notable: Aaron first relationship ever (3 months); Lauren single since 2021; Tracy newly single after abusive 1.5yr relationship; Lexi single 2.5 years (not seeking relationship); Angie in first relationship (live-in immediately); Dave gay married with twin 1-year-olds.

Sex work debate: dating, respect, parental acceptance

Extended multi-round debate on sex work and dating. Topics: most men do not want to date sex workers (Brian/Mary) vs. simps exist and actions speak louder than words (Aaron). Lexi says parents are supportive of her legal escort work. Lauren describes MS and open-relationship preference due to illness. Mary argues sex work is degrading and debasing. Dave Rubin defends individual rights while not endorsing sex work. Debate on whether viewing/paying for sex work while condemning sex workers is hypocritical (Aaron's line of questioning vs Brian).

Dave Rubin segment: politics, abortion, Disney, libertarianism

Dave Rubin discusses his political philosophy: classically liberal/libertarian-leaning. Voted Trump twice, previously Gary Johnson. Begrudgingly pro-choice; supports state-level abortion regulation; opposes federal abortion ban. Defends DeSantis removing Disney's special privileges as leveling the playing field. Discusses weed legalization concerns. Brian asks if most conservatives share Dave's fair attitude toward sex workers. Dave recommends his books to three guests before leaving.

Dave Rubin exit: Aaron suggests Sam Seder debate

Aaron asks Dave if he would debate Sam Seder. Dave calls Seder "a horrible horrible human being" and "a trash human being." Aaron persists. Dave says "oh you're a troll, I knew something was up with you this whole time." Dave leaves, giving books to some guests. This is the "kicked off Erin" event referenced in the title (Dave leaving, not Aaron being removed).

Pre-show notes: Tracy prison story and relationship history

Brian reads Tracy's pre-show notes. Tracy reveals she was charged with two felonies at 17 (weapons offenses, drive-by shooting); served ~2.5 years in adult prison. Buddhist. Father: Vietnam vet, traditional values. Sister: sex worker, father accepts it. Met ex at club in Alaska; moved in quickly; relationship became abusive; left state and moved to Texas to escape abusive ex-boyfriend.

Feminism debate: damage to dating and relationships

Panel discusses whether feminism has damaged male-female relationships. Mary: feminism asks women to be second-rate men; based on lie that men and women are equal. Aaron: feminism enabled women to have careers and relationships simultaneously; it's a false dichotomy. Dave had argued feminism sold women on career over family wrongly. Lauren: experienced silencing from sex-worker-exclusionary feminists. Abigail: feminism has good intentions but became damaging; women more fulfilled raising kids. Tracy: ambivalent.

Dave Rubin hypocrisy debate (post-Dave)

Aaron argues Dave Rubin's question ("why do you bring sex workers on if you think it's bad?") implied Brian is hypocritical for shaming sex workers while profiting from their presence. Brian disputes the hypocrisy framing. Aaron accused of "clip farming" the show. Abigail tries to clarify Aaron was summarizing Dave's point, not making her own argument. Brian tells everyone to "shut up, it's my show."

Self-ratings round (looks 1-10)

Brian asks everyone to rate their looks 1-10. Kiki (SPEAKER_11): 7. Aaron: self-rates 10 (Brian refuses to rate her, then says 6). Abigail: 6-6.5. Lexi: 6 (Brian says 7). Brian: 6. Partial ratings only; not all guests rated.

Ho phase and past relationships round

Brian asks who has had a ho phase. Lexi (escort): her whole career is her ho phase. Aaron: never (too busy with school/quarantine). Lauren: Playboy days were her ho phase. Tracy: ambivalent. Fallon: no. Abigail: had brief period finding herself after controlling upbringing. Josanne: never. Brian: declines to answer (man of God).

Sugar daddy discussion

Brian asks who has had a sugar daddy. Lexi: yes, 48yo man in NYC who gave her credit card with no limit; developing feelings for him. Lauren: had a sugar couple (Chicago doctors). Angie: had 4 online sugar daddies as a minor (~17yo); never met in person; sent photos; made ~$6,000. Tracy: declined to answer about current new guy. Others: no sugar daddies.

Men's preferences for women: income, height, physical standards

Debate on whether men are "intimidated" by women who out-earn them. Brian: not intimidation but career-focused women adopt masculine traits; money does not make women more attractive. Aaron: dismissing high-earning women as too masculine is unfair without getting to know them. Discussion of height preferences (women wanting tall men): Brian accepts it has biological basis. Debate on whether women's physical standards (body type preferences) are unfair. Brian: women are pickier about physical traits than men; things women care about (height, penis size, physique) are mostly outside men's control.

Body count and partner preferences roundtable

Discussion of whether body count matters for men. Lauren: 1000+ (professional). Tracy: 3. Others declined or unknown. Brian says over 10 is high body count; would not date women with high body count. Aaron: men having that preference is fine if consistent. Mary: does not object to men preferring low body count. Angie: thinks caring about body count is dumb/insecure. Mary: many women rejected for being sexually inexperienced (virgins). Brian: men rejecting virgins is about timeline, not body count itself.

Dating men who out-earn women / career-focused men as fathers

Aaron asks Brian to consider the reverse: woman who prefers a less career-focused man to ensure he will be a present father. Brian tries to distinguish biological realities. Aaron accuses Brian of straw-manning. Lexi shares anecdote of sugar daddy in Texas with 3 baby mamas who praised their co-parenting because he was too busy to parent himself.

Men's preference for not dating transgender women

Brian asks panel if they object to men choosing not to date transgender women. Most guests: no objection; it's a personal preference. Fallon: no objection, they should not have to, does not make them gay. Josanne: not really her concern.

Closing and wrap-up

Brian wraps up. Thanks panel. Notes show was "torture" but show went on ~5 hours. Dave Rubin's segment described as feeling short in retrospect. Brian raids Twitch Discord; thanks subscribers.

Transcript

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Lauren Rosesthis never been there okay but you were you were answering the question oh yeah um I I think just very compassionate very caring uh for me that you know obviously the Situation's a little

Lauren Rosesdeviated uh so probably someone with an open mind in a sense where like maybe there might be another lady in the relationship to kind of balance things

TTS Readerout and kind of Oh my beat cheap 99 biggest tail in today's society is the lack of human interaction and all

TTS Readerthanks to #me to and # beli women BS it's why men are lonier and going blackpilled but thanks to dating apps I don't use SL against for having me

Mary Morganapproach women in public much easier yo cheeks yeah I mean I'm not sure it is me too like I just don't think that Normie men really even care or know about or research those types of

Brian Atlasthings I think it is more related to the dating apps and the overall lack of social connection and community that we have going on yeah I I think well I

Mary Morganthink me too is a component probably the bigger thing is social media oh why are people not getting married it's because of no fa divorce like I just don't think

Mary MorganNormie men even know about like you know Family Court statistics they aren't researching these things they don't really know or care about those things I

Aaron (straight8)think a lot of guys have worried about like being fely accused online concerns I feel I I feel like I heard this I heard this in high school from like Normy dudes that I went to school with where they worried that like

Aaron (straight8)just about being falsely accused of have like you know there is that concern definitely but I just feel like Normie men don't really like engage with I the concern is there but I don't I don't

Aaron (straight8)know if it's enough to have a chilling effect so deeply that they wouldn't be like engaging with women period like the real answer is much more boring and depressing it's just that people aren't having social connections

Lauren Rosesanymore The Retreat I went on uh obviously like a Sex Therapy camp but I I would because I can only speak from my experience but I would strongly recommend it to men who've experienced

Lauren Rosesfalse accusing um there was men women there and it was a very like healthy releasing space and I've never witnessed that in my life I always saw a man as

Lauren Rosesthe stoic figure and and you know just TV and just grown up and I I finally got to see real men just kind of tell their stories and be um vulnerable and it I've

Lauren Rosesheard so many stories and I'm like wow wow this is what they keep inside like wow like I'm so sorry wow this is what they're keeping inside um it was profound I I just was silent for literally two days watching and

Mary Morganwitnessing and so um I wanted to revisit your answer to the question of what men should bring to the table in a relationship you started going into something about how there should be

TTS Readeranother woman yeah in a relationship virgin donated $100 brickson bring out the fruit salad

TTS ReaderBTW Aaron are you a virgin that's the world on the street anyway the word on the street did you answer the question I'm don't think we got to that no I think we moved on or whatever no I'm not

Aaron (straight8)a virgin oh wait why were you resistant to saying that before I should have just been open that he didn't want to answer the question at that time but like yeah I'm not a virgin women have sex with men

Mary Morganthey're not in love with all the time mhm okay so you were saying there should be another woman in a relationship relationship yeah in my relationship

Lauren Rosesclarified um okay she has other men is my guess no I I want the man to have another woman because like since so I have MS and so sometimes I think it gets

Lauren Roseslike too crazy for people to handle like emotionally like oh my God like I don't want my like I'm a pleaser I'm a bit of a pleaser in relationships like I want the man to be happy I want everybody to be happy even like you know women when I

Mary Morganhave friends I want them to be happy and I this is just a insecurity that I have recently but so you want another woman to be involved in your relationship out of

Tracy (Lexi)insecurity I I guess I guess that's where I'm at right now like in dealing withal I think what she's trying to say in my opinion is that you would rather have your man be with another woman and

Tracy (Lexi)also you so out of the blue you're not shook that he's like cheating on you or you know doing some shyy behind your back I just fall back yeah yeah yeah yeah well so if if I get sick or

Lauren Rosessomething and and and I just feel like oh my God like he's unhappy now I'm even more unhappy I mean wouldn't you hope that someone sticks by you through that moment and like loves you

Lauren Rosesunconditionally like that is the ideal don't we agree yeah I'd hope and and I just I think it's just the insecurity of oh my gosh what if it's too much for him what if he just wants to break up because he's like I can't deal with this

Lauren Rosesdating a person with a disability and and it's happened before where um that's been like oh you know I don't see girls with disabilities and and it's just I'm like okay like you kind of get like

TTS Readeryeah beaten cheeks donated $99 Mary as you are below an Nory you don't know how low middle class men think like I do I speak to them daily in

TTS Readernon- big cities many of them are very well aware of the matriarchal hold women have in regards to the sexual Dynamics women have over normies huh yeah that makes sense

Abigailbecause if all these men on the internet are speaking out about how they're worried that they're going to get falsely accused if oh grid One Motorsports donated

TTS Reader$100 Mary a cool dark Health but enough of us Normy men have watched enough men have the lives burned down by divorce and accused of all sorts of horrible

Mary Morganthings that we 100% pay attention nothing is new Under the Sun I guess what I was referring to is men that don't like watch podcasts like this one like men who aren't super engaged with

Mary Morganthe discourse about dating and stuff like that online like that that's what I meant by the term Normie and also to clarify I don't live in a big city I live in a very rural area in West Virginia well Dave as our resident

Aaron (straight8)Boomer here okay could you say that you're 47 right wait are you actually a boomer or are you J I'm JX I was accepting it though yeah okay would you say like were you ever worried about

Dave Rubinbeing falsely accused during your time in college no it wasn't really a thing do you think it is now or like do you just yeah I guess well me too kind me too kind of went sideways but I it

Dave Rubinwasn't you know I think it's interesting cuz I'm usually not around a bunch of like early 20s girls like this and it's interesting it seems like everyone's very in their head about what's going on in the world or in Life or something I

Dave Rubindon't I actually don't mean that very judgy really you all seem very sweet and lovely but like something about the internet has really like just broken people it's very obvious to me I don't mean that I don't mean you guys are broken I mean that I do politics for a

Dave Rubinliving trust me everyone in politics is broken but something about the internet that we thought was going to make us more social right it's called social media it made us way more antisocial and anxiety I mean we're all noting at the

Dave Rubinsame time like everyone's feeling that thing it's really weird I mean I I was born in 1976 that's not like I'm not that old and I remember it's funny my gu is

Dave RubinPhoenix was one of is my producers here he's around you know early 20s like you guys and like I always joke it's like you have no idea what the world was like pre- internet and actually it was was

Dave Rubinpretty good it really was pretty good like you could just like I'm be right like no it was it was really awesome and and so many things also I think it has to do with timing also that you can get

Dave Rubinanything you want whenever you want it like whether it's sex or gratification all of that but it's not even just that it's like you can binge watch a show where back in the day like you had to watch a show if if you wanted to watch

Dave Rubinit Seinfeld at 9:00 on Thursday is like you couldn't watch 10 episodes in a row you guys have heard of Seinfeld right you got the reference okay but like so so something about the speed of all of this and also like this one will blow

Dave Rubinyour mind at the beginning of the internet when the internet first came out like you could scroll down to a page like if you just went to like CNN.com or just any you were buying something like you were buying a shirt on H&M or something like you'd scroll down the

Dave Rubinpage would end that was how the internet worked like you could get to the end of a page where now we have infinite scroll and this guy there's a guy that developed infinite scroll I don't I don't remember his name but he basically regrets it because he realized that he

Dave RubinUnleashed something that allows us to just Doom scroll all day long and like I get plenty of hate online if I wanted to I could spend all day long just having people just tell me horrible things but like at some point you just disconnect I

Dave Rubindo I do a month off my phone and computer and electronics and news and everything every August I've done it for six years I would definitely Rec recommend you guys try it like literally nothing have no idea what's going on in

Aaron (straight8)the world for a month and do you think um your sexuality Maybe influenc your experience with like not having to worry about I guess like false accusations or feeling that sort of anxiety or no uh

Dave Rubinmaybe I guess I mean like is me too even a thing in the probably not I mean I guess maybe to some extent there's always power dynamics in a relationship right or in just meeting somebody you're hooking up or something but like there's

Dave Rubinsomething different if it's two guys or two girls there is something fundamentally different I suppose related to who would be harassing who or something difference there's a great

Dave Rubinmovie do you ever see the movie disclosure it's with Michael Douglas and Demi Moore it's like from probably like 95 or something and and in the movie She's his boss and she sexual sexually

TTS Readerharasses him Jones donated $100 Brian you're a modern-day philosophical chat that all young men need to take notice to highest

TTS Readercompliment to the panel what do you want from a marriage material man s workers why do you want men to respect you when you don't respect yourselves are we going to finish going

Mary Morganaround with the what men should bring to the table are we going to put that to to rest he kind of just that yeah it's kind of similar like what do you want from a marriage material man

Mary Morganalso he's as uh s workers why do you want men to respect you when you don't respect yourselves do they want men to respect them though feel like you kind of forfeit that you forfeit the

Lauren Rosespossibility of men respecting you when you become an SW right wait uh well I think that I think that like I and what I'm thinking that you're meaning is obviously not like anything physical or

Lauren Rosesbeing like Oh my gosh like screaming in your face or nothing like violent or anything but but I'm probably like oh like were you thinking of respect in a sense where oh if if you're seeing

Lauren Rosesmultiple men he he can see multiple women too not like physical like oh you deserve to get socked like something like that but and that's what I'm assuming that's not what that was well

Mary MorganI'm also talking about just your male clients uh I don't believe that they respect the women that they are paying to penetrate some don't and that's where

Lauren Rosesum oh yeah some do you can finish oh yeah yeah some some don't and that's where lately um now that I'm 31 I I'm kind of like finding my voice I feel like in my 20s I was just very quiet and

Lauren Rosesjust kind of went along had good girl conditioning and went along with with the the program a lot and um I noticed it I it got me which I was going to comment on something you said that was really neat like you were talking about

Lauren Roseshow women um were doing white like kind of subverting a very early um how do how do I say they're doing wife things for their boyfriends thank you I would subvert to the wrong man in a sense

Lauren Roseswhere like I would you mean submit so so so I'm learning submissions earned and submission is when you trust someone and they're safe they're a safe man and and and you know uh but subversion is like

Lauren Rosesthey're not safe they're just there and it's because they're a man you're and that's I would notice I would do that and I would notice that's when dangerous situations would happen with clients and now I'm realizing like hey if someone is

Lauren Rosesis hurting me or or saying some things I'm going to end it I'm no like this is not okay and um and I have my boundaries and uh if if someone respects it then I'm like okay then I'm I'm going with

Mary Morganyou and I'll submit to this experience but I won't subvert to an experience that's uh aggressive of any type well I'm glad that that's a possibility for you but I would assume that for the vast

Mary Morganmajority of sex workers in the world they do not have the ability to corre protect themselves or advocate for themselves in those situations at all like third world countries and that's I mean not even just third world countries

Mary Morganit's everywhere they they I mean part of that line of work if you want to call it work mhm is being respected and dehumanized

Lauren Rosesand objectified like that is I was dehumanized for the first time um I I I'll let you say your piece but I I actually finally realized at age 30 what

Lauren Rosesdehumanizing meant and I didn't know what it meant for so long and I have a story but I'll yeah you share your piece I forgot what I was going to say so tell your story well well oh well I thought

Brian Atlasyou said you need to think what the story is but I think I I think that uh maybe what the Koy Jones is trying to get out here is M when it comes to a

Brian Atlasrelationship most men would not want to be in a relationship with a sex worker whether in the P like past or present but you can't speak that for all and for everybody well sure there's of course I'm not speaking for all but would you

Brian Atlasdisagree generally speaking men don't want to date prostitutes and porn stars and no there's plenty of men out there that's not what I said that's how I said generally speaking I would say most men do not want to have long-term

Brian Atlasrelationships with women who are involved with sex work I disagree you you think the majority of men so more than 50% of men want to date and have long-term relationships with women who

Lexi (Escort)are involved in sex work it's 50/50 dude you think so ex would dat 50% of I don't know I'm not talking numbers and stuff I

Brian Atlasdon't know that I'm just saying that we're all different and and who knows like I'm not okay you have to understand I'm not saying that it's impossible for a woman to if you have a past of sex

Brian Atlaswork current sex work prostitution whatever it is it's not going to be impossible for you to find a long-term relationship or a husband however I don't think my statement is wrong which

Brian Atlasis what I'm which is the majority of men do not want to date or wife up a prostitute okay or a girl who's done porn disree with that

Mary Morganbut well I mean you kind of are not seeing the bigger picture right cuz the only men who would date you are the ones who do feel okay with the fact that I want to bring it back real quick to the

Lexi (Escort)whole um how we're not respected in all this you know what I mean how disgusting is it for people to come to sex workers and or think about sex workers and think that we deserve not to be respected just

Lexi (Escort)because of our industry uh very um it shows that you're very narrow-minded it shows that you lack

Lexi (Escort)empathy it shows a lot actually um we are human we are people we give we're very open-minded we're compassionate people can come to us at the Bunny Ranch

Lexi (Escort)and we can sit down and have one-on-one conversations with people they feel safe with us and people like you guys and I'm not saying like you guys but people that

Lexi (Escort)do believe in what I don't um it's scary it really is scary that we have a group of people that are like so narrow-minded like that I don't

Brian Atlasbelieve that you deserve to be disrespect one sec one sec let's define the terms here a little bit so when you say narrow-minded Also let's define respect right so I pulled it up

Brian Atlasdictionary Oxford dictionary respect number one a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities qualities or achievements and then the other one is due regard for the feelings wishes

Brian Atlasrights or traditions of others so when we use this term respect I think it can some sometimes be interpreted differently than other people I don't think what the super chatter is

Brian Atlasnecessarily saying is that we would like TR like we view you we would treat you in a rude or mean or

Brian Atlascontemptuous sort of way because of the work you do I don't think that's really it it's just like a old Penny can I add

Abigailsomething sure um so you're saying that they deserve respect regardless of their industry and you're being narrow-minded by not respecting someone because of their industry but I guarantee there's

Abigailsome sort of Industry some sort of job some guy would have and he said respect is deep admiration that you're not going to deeply admire him for the work he does and respect is not deserved ever

Dave Rubinyou earn respect and some men don't respect sex work and it it just because it doesn't benefit you doesn't mean it's bad I also think you guys probably have a lot more power than you think well you

Dave Rubinprobably both know that you have a lot more power where maybe they don't see the power that you have the guys are paying you you're really in charge of this thing I remember I had a buddy who used to love going to strip clubs and we'd go to the I would go with him and it was like whatever and it was funny

Dave Rubincuz if I would tell the stripper that I was gay they'd want to grind on you like double time to see what would happen so and like physical contact is nice so that was fine but like but I would always think like you know the the sort of normal way to think about it was

Dave Rubinsomehow the girl was disrespecting herself and she's out of control and blah blah blah but it's like the girl was usually they were earning money to go to college or something blah blah blah both of you seem like you have a good head on your shoulders and at some if I had to guess like at some point you

Dave Rubinprobably will be out of this line of work and you'll probably find a guy and you'll probably have kids yeah yeah you will like that's kind of how life works like life you don't just stay in the same mental or physical state and I think spiritual State forever and you'll

Dave Rubinprobably and you'll look back and you might go ah maybe maybe some of that wasn't great maybe some of it was but if you're saving some money now and like doing something that gives some people pleasure like I get why it's why people can be all judgy about it but I I think

Lexi (Escort)you guys are going be fine and at the end of the day my parents are happy with what I'm doing my parents support me with what I'm doing my grandparents my uncle is probably watching this right now so wait just to be clear your

Brian Atlasparents about what I you doing prostitution I'm a legal escort in Nevada sure okay that's what that means that's

Brian Atlasyeah yes are a prostitute I am leg doing things I'm not hurting anybody I'm not what saying but your parents my parents support you doing prostitution my

Lexi (Escort)parents are happy with the way I'm living my life I bought an RV I'm on the way to buy a house I have done so much for myself being in this

Dave Rubinindustry I do have the right head on my shoulders and my dad knows that um by the way people prostitute themselves for a lot of other stuff besides sex you

Dave Rubinknow she's not yeah yeah yeah no I didn't mean that I I didn't mean that to her do I mean like trust me I come out of the world of politics like people sell out and do anything for money and say what they believe and then they act contrary so like you know prostition I

Lexi (Escort)don't know why it was so hard for you to wrap your brain around that though because it's like it's you you it's like parents don't tend to be okay with stuff like that and that's what my parents like me

Abigailfor they love me for me that doesn't happen happens you get surprised it's not common for parents to be okay with their kids yeah yeah so it's surpris my parents are happy that I'm not hurting

Lexi (Escort)nobody I'm not hurting myself and I am making money and I am going to be doing no that's that's good I'm always leveling up in life and why wouldn't my parents be proud of me succeeding in

Brian Atlaslife well they're perhaps proud of you for the success but it is it is surprising somewhere where it's done legally and safely sure but I mean it it's surprising that your let me ask you

Mary Morgana question do you think your parents would prefer you to be an attorney a a doctor versus a all of a sudden that would mean you do something else with your life and you

Lexi (Escort)have an equal amount of independent my parents are so proud of me for being independent and free I'm absolutely free I'm Travel RV they would want me to do what's best

Mary Morganfor me my parents want me to do whatever I'm happy with and whatever I'm content with and that's what love is you you could be happy and content and independent

TTS Readerwithout doing sex work makes be happy to connect with individuals on a different leveles donated $100 Brian your platform has the

TTS Readerdiscussions most people won't SL will not talk about thank you man appreciate it let me clarify most men would not respect the self-worth of osw nor would not want to be with my girl worked Works

Brian Atlasan honest job which is why she is my pride and joy mhm this I I don't know if that changes so much would not respect the

Lauren Rosesself-worth of a sex worker so okay I was going to say my my mom so my mom wasn't too happy about sex work cuz you know she's pretty conservative

Abigailthat's common yeah it's it's more common especially for older people if you're old enough to be a parent she's a baby boomer yeah then you tend to not want your child to to be selling their body she loved that I did the Tantra Retreat

Lauren Rosesshe likes that I'm getting into the holistic side of the sexuality and she's hoping that maybe one day I have my own you know my own holistic Tantra practice

Aaron (straight8)she she likes that so she's she was kind of rooting for that I think parents are going to adopt a more libertarian mindset towards their children engaging in sex work if they see that their child is like safe and financially

Abigailsecure that is that if that occurs as a product of job then I think they're going to be more likely to be like you know what maybe maybe I was being more judgmental here's the thing though you were deeply offended that he was surprised that your

Abigailparents support it and I'm saying the only reason he's surprised is cuz parents because they're old and not usually libertarian don't seem to don't often support it so there's nothing just

Lexi (Escort)let her talk to talk offended abouted I'm just saying why did you raise your voice and get upset that I said it was just super weird that he couldn't comprehend

Tracy (Lexi)that's just and I debunked that I explained why weird I come from a very religious background so I'm actually Buddhist and I have a sister that is actually a sex worker and my dad was in

Tracy (Lexi)the Vietnam War so he's super OG like old school you know um wife should cook clean you know stay at home take care of the kids while he provides and does everything that's what I grew up with but as my sister is a sex worker he

Tracy (Lexi)doesn't mind he doesn't care and he says like hey you are your own individual person you can do what you want to

Brian Atlasdo the we need the masculine instinct to come in and shame thiser Behavior like I'm living my life for myself and nobody

Brian Atlaselse my dad is like like I said religious the reason saying my life hold on but so you're saying your your father your cousin she's a sex worker no my sister is a sex worker your sister is a

Brian Atlassex worker and your father is cool with it my father does yeah he's cool with it you know why he's he's uncomfortable like disavowing or shaming it or feeling like it's brought dishonor

Brian Atlasis because the current social climate that we're in is very liberal it's very Progressive and if you take a stance on any of this you're going to get the

TTS Readerbrunt of the current social be 304 those choices are the to make but let's not deny that men do not value anything they pay for as much as things

TTS Readerthey earn men win a woman's love menn a woman's trust these are valued above all else I like I like so Dave I wanted to part of that I like the L part of that

Brian Atlashold on so that's just that blows my mind though like he your your father's cool with your sister doing when you say sex work we're talking stripper or what uh she does like only fans and stuff like that so her content that's

Tracy (Lexi)different than that's a little different I yeah she also does like meet up with people and like for work and like she gets paid for yeah oh she escorts too yeah ex yeah that's what she does so my

Tracy (Lexi)dad doesn't mind he doesn't care like he says that you can either go out and be an independent woman or you could be a stay-at-home wife and this is exactly why Society is is failing is we don't

Mary Morganhave strong men saying no this is not okay for you to do so you're saying that my dad is to hear perspective as the only

Mary Morganparent on this panel people are not listening would you be okay with your children even though they're very young now would you be okay with either of your children becoming sex workers no

Dave Rubinwell of course my preference would be no and I'm not I'm again I don't mean to it's weird to have two people here that obviously seem like great girls so I'm not making this about you guys at all so my the preference I think for every

Dave Rubinparent would be no but I think what your dad is probably saying about your sister is she's out there making a living for herself she's I assume she doesn't live with them like she's got her own place

Dave Rubinshe's like own she has her I get that it's not it's not ideal in that in in a certain sense of living but you know life is about figuring out there's a lot of people that are going to live on the margins and you got to kind of figure

Dave Rubinout ways that that can work as a society so tell us why your preference is no no because as I said because it wouldn't because I don't as I said to them like at some point hope I bet if I was to ask either one of you at some point you probably want to meet a guy that you'd

Dave Rubinreally fall in love with and like be with him and have kids and have a family and everything else they may not be quite there yet so it's just sort of a it's a step of getting to somewhere that you want to be I'm not I'm not sitting

Dave Rubinhere selling sex work at all but I'm also I think it's a little hypocritical in in a sense that that virtually everyone watches porn everyone does whatever they do a lot of I did well I'm not talking about anyone at this table

Dave RubinI'm talking about like isn't it something like 70% of the internet traffic is porn something like that like everyone is using all of this stuff or being part of it to some extent and then like looking at the people that are openly part of it and trying to explain

Mary Morganwhat their life is and giving them for it it just seems incredibly ironic I want to dig into why you're saying your preference for your children is for them to not I'm saying the same thing for

Dave Rubinthem I think ultimately if if she met the the greatest guy tomorrow and was like I want to take care of you I want you to be the mother of my children blah blah blah I suspect you would think that

Brian Atlaswould be a better choice 100% yeah Dave Dave when it comes to uh just be just because you consume something doesn't mean that you have to actively participate it in other words just

Brian Atlasbecause you of participation right but like for example I like to watch the NFL I don't want to go play in the NFL and go get CTE and go

Brian Atlasget a bunch of concussions I'm not obliged I like to watch the NFL if I think there are certain health risks for my son to participate in playing in the

Brian AtlasNFL while I might enjoy watching the sport I might admire their athletic ISM I might say to my son H you know it might not be listen you're probably not going to play professionally maybe you

Brian Atlasdon't play in high school and get a bunch of concussions that's going to you up um similarly with porn just just because you watch porn doesn't mean that you are you are then obliged to

Brian Atlaseither date a woman who does porn or you're not you're not obliged to encourage your son or daughter to watch or to to become a porn act actress just

Aaron (straight8)because you watch it I I don't think it makes you hypocritic do think said I think he saying like your actions speak Lou than your words and if you are ently speaking out against porn but then consuming it that's like a massive

Aaron (straight8)contradiction for one and then two in the example of like football or sex work if you say that you're anti-sex work but then you are supporting only fans models or you are consuming pornography paying and like putting money towards it you

Dave Rubinare helping like grow that industry and create and like you know voting with your dollar effectively by the way you can also have an ideal in life that you're that you're aiming towards that you're not always getting to but that you're working towards so there might be

Dave Rubinsome things you're doing along the way that that if you're trying to get in a specific direction and you see what the end goal of what you want in life is what whatever that might be whether it's that you want to be married and have kids or or you want to build a great

Dave Rubinbusiness or whatever if you're going in that direction and doing it honestly and forthrightly like I my general feeling is that things will work out but do we

Mary Morganagree at least that that doing sex work is not an ideal path toward finding eventually I didn't say I didn't again I

TTS Readersaid several times I suspect and she agreeing with me Buddhism directly disagrees with self fulfillment through selfish desires It is believed to be a hindrance to True Enlightenment and the

TTS Readerproper Pleasures meant to be experienced in life so you're either full of it or not familiar with the practice Buddhism okay I'm I well I think kind of the so the

Brian Atlasinitial conversation was your sister she's an escort she does only fans these two women are escorts they do they

TTS Readerprostitute so sorry okay grid one motor donated $100 if my son brought home a prostitute as a girlfriend he and I would have a

TTS Readerlong talk about where I Eed up teaching him values and morality after the sofa and chairs with plastic

Brian Atlasokay that was thank I love that one no so they're involved in prostitution um your father is happy with it you said that your parents are

Brian Atlassupportive my parents know that I do only fans and all of that yeah right and I think kind of where that that whole that whole thing stemmed from was I was saying that and I'm I'm not

Brian Atlassure I think maybe Dave you introduced the porn component into it so that's kind of where my train of thought was with my argument but uh you said most women or most men wouldn't want a data

Brian Atlassex worker right yeah yeah yeah and and I do think like I don't know I don't think it's a parent should be like encouraging or co-signing sex work I

TTS Readermean we're not saying that oh my God our parents are like rooting for us to loose energy donated $99 with all due disrespect most guys don't want gross 304s that have been ran

TTS Readerthrough and got more bodies than John Wick L for the parents gay simp and four eyes cap a screechy voice troll Brian

Aaron (straight8)it's time to Frank Castle f is Sparta #f them # 18 uh I agree with you Brian that like

Aaron (straight8)most men if you ask them would say that they don't want to date a sex worker they don't want to date anyone who's involved in pornography or the porn industry but I think actions speak louder than words and if you if you pulled 100 random dudes from the street and asked like if they had the

Aaron (straight8)opportunity to go out with like Mia Khalifa or like Sasha Gray do you think that they would they would say they don't want to if they do it's cuz they're horny for her not because they want to sh they

Aaron (straight8)still do it this my point like they can say they like I would do like go out on a date with Mia Khalifa Sasha Gray because they see them as sexual objects who they want to hook up with he said he

Abigailthey wouldn't want to Wi Mia Khalifa they might even if they say yes they might think they want a wife Mia Khalifa because she's hot but that's that's not do you think out of like if you if

Mary Morganyou pull 100 American guys they wouldn't want to she's a kind of nasty and I'm not talking about Mia Khalifa's marriage broke down as a result of her porn career she said that her husband

Mary Morganactually admitted to her that he was no longer comfortable with the fact that there were existing videos of her having sex with other men on the internet she said that that did contribute to the end of her marriage goad but I'm I'm just

Aaron (straight8)asking if you P if you pulled like 100 American guys yeah and ask them would you like would you like to go on a date with Mia Khalifa right now you have the opportunity to do you think that the

Aaron (straight8)majority would say no depends what street you're on average American guy got all the American they go with Mia Khalifa would they go out on a date with think of someone

Aaron (straight8)who in general not one cuz men have different Purp out of 100 guys how many do you think would say no to Mia a date with Mia Khalifa well okay so do they think it involves sex it doesn't matter

Aaron (straight8)just a date that's it's a broad question like just a date they want to court M Khalifa for marriage the the question the only question that they're being asked that these hundred men are being asked is would you go on a date with Mia

Brian AtlasKhalifa right now we have a simp epidemic so it could very well be the case that a high proportion of them say yes but and my personal standard is is I mean if you've done porn cuz there's

Brian Atlassome guys standard is well I would date them casually like I'd hook up with them but I'd never take them seriously for a long-term relationship or marriage I if a girl's involved in that kind of work I

Brian Atlasdon't want I wouldn't even want casual sex with her I don't want to kiss her I don't want to have go on a date you think I think a lot of men probably I don't know majority minority

Brian AtlasI think a lot of guys also just wouldn't want to even pursue it anyways but I do think there there's a lot of simps there's a lot of simps and there's a lot

Brian Atlasof men who get very little attention from men or holy excuse me sorry I misspoke there's a lot of people that don't that get very little attention from women

TTS Reader$100 the first day I moved to LA I met a girl I really liked found out she had an O and I didn't care the more we hung out the more feelings developed and the more

Mary Morganthe O became a problem so we broke cup once the surface novelty wore off I had to end it see this is this is what happened with Mia Khalifa's marriage so

Aaron (straight8)I could pull my audience but I I suspect you'd say well it's not representative well I was just asking you average American not your because do you think your audience is like comprises of like the average American guy well I I would

Brian Atlassay like they a large portion of my audience maybe would agree more so with my position on this so I don't know if it would be representative of the average average American guy so you talked about you said for your personal

Aaron (straight8)preference no but you really think that the average guy in America is saying no to a date with M Khalifa okay can I add something it's hard to say I don't I don't think so I think they if they had the chance they might say I would never date a sex worker but if they had the

Aaron (straight8)opportunity to date someone like simp epidemic s epidemic of you were saying earlier that like you know men need to step up and tell women that they're not going to accept like you know

Aaron (straight8)girlfriends as Pro like girlfriends asers and stuff like that but I'm saying if I agree with you the majority of guys already don't want that but yet sex worker sex work industry is only getting larger and larger so I don't think male

Aaron (straight8)condemnation is putting women off of wanting to enter sex work at all and then especially when it's seeing it's so lucrative for some of them you know very few but for the few that it is lucrative for it's just encouraging that all right let me add something encouraging what

Aaron (straight8)from men to what if men financially support only fans or sex workers in some way then that's an endorsement of that behavior in a small way because you're voting with your dollar and you're expanding the industry there's a financial incentive there for women to

Aaron (straight8)enter into it right as long as I don't deny that simps exist I know that there are men who coign on talking about the average guy I think the average guy consumes pornography and the average guy is also consuming like only fans and

Aaron (straight8)stuff like that like I don't think that the subet of men means that they would want to marry the women I never said that they'd want to marry them but Brian made the claim that they wouldn't even consider them and I'm saying I don't think that's true he said he wouldn't consider them for marriage so his

Abigailinitial point was that um he doesn't think guys want to have a long-term relationship or to wife a girl who's done sex work and then you were like so

TTS Readerif you pulled all these men and ask them if they would go on a date a date isn't marriage I never said a date was marriage I don't think these girls chose

TTS Readerto come into the prostitution business it came into them PS no Mia is a terrorist sympathizer let's not get into that

Abigailthat's true uh but his initial point was married Mar and long-term relationship and you brought up a completely separate point of one date and he said yes that

TTS Readerthey probably would because simps exist so what are we arguing it's just about a relationship Max donated $100 I assume would take the M date if

TTS Readerthey think she's hot and might get laid out of it but the majority of them wouldn't want something longterm with her since all their boys have seen her naked guys don't want to wife that it's

Aaron (straight8)Common Sense hence it's you really hesitant to say that most guys wouldn't take a date with her it seemed like you thought like maybe they take a date but we have simps or like they wouldn't be really doing it to

TTS Readerlike get to knowwhere be doing it to hook up stas Decay donated $99 yo welcome stochastic bra sorry I'm late long day as you know I'm after this

TTS Readercoming it's totally legal at first my parents didn't like it I've retired them and now they're proud of me everything is legal people who are negatively

Brian Atlasimpacted aren't my problem legal so confused this is probably he's a slum maybe Dr donated

TTS Reader$100 thank you thank you guys you so much so absurd no mentally healthy man would date or marry a sex worker has nothing to do with narrow-mindedness to the girl in the

TTS Readerback yes your father is a weak man I am disgusted by m k not even with 10 foot pole that is my father is not a weak man he was in the Vietnam War so he actually

Aaron (straight8)served this country so he is not a weak man I really disagree with that um just says weak virtue my only point is that guys may say that they wouldn't do it but when they the the opportunity is presented I think a lot more men suddenly would start doing it action

Brian Atlasspeak louder than words I've done a social experiment on Tinder you've done a social experiment on Tinder y yeah but is I've been doing it isn't it the case if I recall the previous show you were on you said that if you're just casually

Brian Atlasdating a guy you do not disclose that you're a they don't even make it past the texting Point like I'll I'll be like yeah but you said you will meet up with guys hook up with them be on Dat dud outside of my job I do not you don't

Brian Atlastell them go and hook up with guys yeah I think you should I think we talked about that last time no I'm good no I don't think I'm saying you should I'm good I don't want to go hook up with people no no no sorry I didn't mean that I mean you should you should disclose even if it's a casual sexual encounter I

Lexi (Escort)do think you should I honestly think I'm gray seexual and mean so it's like uh when I just gray sexual yeah like what

Lauren Rosesdoes that mean it's F do you know what it is did you pull that um I like like kind of men and women and and uh men and women both bisexual not bisexual you're just not

Abigailreally affected by sex one way or the other right that makes sense and so I'm not like exactly like I'm so outside of

TTS Readermy work in my profession I'm trying to $99 that shirt should say skip me your T-shirt cuz your T-shirt says pay me

Mary Morganyour only fans okay subscribe to my only fans I'm currently having a sale so you're saying grace sexual is you are not affected by sex what does that mean

Lexi (Escort)like outside of work I don't just go and date guys and hook up with guys outside of work I just not what is gray sexual

Lexi (Escort)Define Gray sexual please I don't I don't I'm not I don't like you love who you love yeah it's like what does that mean it means I don't need to have sex

Abigailall the time so it's like I don't know I'm not what it's like if you're looking at it in your brain to Google it or whatever maybe when it comes to sex oxytocin that's what gets released just

Abigaildoesn't really get released very much for her so she's just in aected one way or the other when it comes to sex no matter the gender no matter whatever like I like what I like and

Lexi (Escort)like wait okay hold on that's what great sexual sounds like it would be not okay maybe that's but I'm just you are desensitized I'm not desensitized not you might be desensitized there might be

Lexi (Escort)a little desensitization just a tad a little bit of with a partner that I want to pursue there needs to be an emotional connection for me to be able to want to pursue that okay that's not a sexual

Mary Morganorientation that is normal sexuality right Dem sexual if I could pull out my phone right now just go back to the needing it needing an emotional connection to have sexual attraction

Mary Morganthat is normal sexuality that's you need the definition you don't need to get up I'll just look it up she's about to Google gray sexual here while she does that hold on I need to read this chat that's the first time heard of gry sexual hold on yeah me too stop stop

Brian Atlasguys stop bendra the offender thank you man Ladies If a woman you know just had their first child PRI prioritized her career and 10 years later she didn't did not know she was going to pass on do you think the mother should have gone

Brian Atlasfurther in her career now imagine if you were that mother oh first child PR H wait I just for the really quick to you let do you want kids one day me yeah yes

Brian Atlasdo you want to have kids do you have kids no I have no kids do you want a daughter son whatever you want some kids would you let's say your daughter came

Brian Atlasto you and she was like hey Mom I want to start escorting I want to want to become a prostitute would you be like go for it honey or would you try to direct

Tracy (Lexi)her to not go down that path I mean it depends you know that's her life or his or hers you wouldn't give her counsel as no I'm saying like I would but it's just

Tracy (Lexi)like I don't really know how I would explain it I guess yeah I me like my kid like the way I grew up like I said my dad you know Woman cooks and cleans and stuff like that but like I said my dad also taught us to be very independent so

Tracy (Lexi)my sister chose to go down as a sex work routine my other sisters they're they work like we all work regular jobs you know but I feel like maybe I don't think my daughter would end up doing that but

Brian Atlasif the possibility were to occur I'd probably give her some safety notes on what but would you do anything to try to prevent her from doing it telling her how disappointed you would be trying to

Brian AtlasI don't know what kind of maneuvers you could make to try to discourage her from getting into that profession I don't think I would ever tell my daughter like I'm very disappointed in you shame on you because that's what you want to do

Tracy (Lexi)see we need to bring shame back love your daughter you got to bring Shane back me wrong but I like I said I don't think my daughter would even ever considered being a sex why do you think

TTS Readerthat like that sorry donated $99 you're either straight or you're gay you're either male or female it actually leaves me with a dark depression that

Abigailthis is the dating Market I get to choose from also heck and Madison C all right thank you Brandon thank you you said you said you love your daughter so

Abigaillove is not acceptance acceptance and love don't go hand inand at all in fact if you love somebody and you feel something is right you want to push them to what is right you're not going to accept them do that it's something that

Abigailyou think whether I'm not even talking about sex work if you think something's damaging to your child whether it's sex work or not whatever it is and they're going to do that you're not going to be like okay sweetheart I love you so I'm

Lexi (Escort)going to accept accept that you're doing something damaging love is an acceptance so why are you guys so stuck on letting people do what they will and what they want to daming and your child you're not

Lexi (Escort)going to want your child to do something that you think is Dam most I'm speaking for myself and she's speaking for her sister so I'm saying like to you why do you care so much about what I got to do

Mary Morganwith my life right like you know what I'm saying my daughter wants to go ahead I'm not hurting nobody I'm not hurting nobody we are we care that you

Tracy (Lexi)are doing this with your life because we think that it's a damaging thing to do care no you don't that's just like saying I would care if my daughter was gay or not like if that's what she that's totally different totally

Mary Morgandifferent I actually do think that what you do for a living is damaging and debasing and degrading and I I actually do care you do in your life you might be

Abigailright Mary Morgan might not directly care about you but she's on here to preach what she thinks is right just like you're on here to preach what you think is right to the public she doesn't care in a ho and that's what I'm

Abigailsaying why we're you asked why we're basically why we're preaching this and that's because it's not just about you it's about the general public that's watching this this is what we think is right so we're going to talk about it and you're doing the same but not

Lexi (Escort)everybody's going to live up to your your standards and not everybody's going to want to do exactly what you want them say the same thing to what you're saying and I but I know that though I'm not trying to convince anybody else how to live their life and what to

Abigaildo I'm living my life for myself I'm doing what I got to do but to live freely so so why are you know what I'm saying why you on this podcast yeah I was just about to say that because why

Tracy (Lexi)are you saying I'm for sex podcast as much as how we are all on this podcast we have our own different opinions and everything Sports donated 00 I want to get these

TTS Readertwo girls my other TTS did not trigger because of a bad word I guess did I read you should shame your kids when they do something shameful W is shameful we know

TTS Readerit is shameful because we have spent an hour attempting to justify it morals get I think that means the opposite if

Brian Atlaswe have to debate over it so much I think it's grid one he said U gross AF no way I'm risking Mr Happy for a ride on I can't say that word sorry uh for a

Mary Morganride with a girl um okay I wanted to know actually why are you on this podcast cuz we came together we came together why they invited me back and I'm here to talk

Mary Morganabout debate debate about what we're talking about show us some different opin and we're saying our opinion and your response is why do you care so much

Mary Morganwe told you why we care and you're saying you don't care like there's no way that we canro what you said somebody telling somebody else how to live their

Lexi (Escort)life I don't think that that's you caring like if the person is doing well and is living their life how they're living that is what I was talking about

Mary Morganmy point is I don't think that you are doing well I don't think that is possible I don't think that is compatible with what you do for a living which is letting men the beauty of America is that it doesn't doesn't

Dave Rubinmatter what you think relative to her life as long as she's not breaking the law I actually don't necessarily disagree with you philosophically like when you ask me would I want my kids to go into sex work the answer is obviously

Dave Rubinno but then what I said to though for the reasons that you're arguing right I'm not I'm not yeah I'm not I'm not defending sex work per se but I will defend a human being who is sitting

Dave Rubinacross from me who is doing nothing illegal with her life that clearly he's running a hell of a podcast making a ton of money while to talk about these issues so people care about these things and she was brave enough to come here and talk about it so I'm not

Dave Rubindisagreeing with the with the philosophical precept that sex work has issues obviously but it doesn't mean that everyone involved in it is somehow deeply corrupt or or somehow ruining

Dave RubinSociety or anything else again I would say and you both nodded when I said that maybe one day you'll find a guy and then you'll be like all right I did that and you might regret it or not regret it or have kids or not have kids but like you're probably not going to be doing it

Dave Rubinwith when you're 60 I don't think you guys have illusions that you will but like at the end of the day like you want to what do you want to do you want a jail her like what do you want to do with her and I think I the legality I

Lexi (Escort)thank you so much for reacting that way you know what I mean because although like you say you don't agree with it completely and whatever you're still kind compassionate and you're treating

Brian Atlasme like a human being and thank you this this all stemmed from you were Nick can you can you okay this all stemmed from you saying that your parents were

Brian Atlassupportive or I forget the exact wording and I or was it respect I don't know exactly I was just a bit surprised because that's typically not normal for

Mary Morganparents to be like really enthusiastically happy I mean they child being involved they weren't jumping for joy or anything like that sure you know

Brian Atlasokay but okay I feel like we got here we you two two haven't really been able to speak much I want to try to bring you in I think you both were kind of shaking your heads in Al know disagreement a

Angielittle bit your thoughts and then your thoughts go ahead I just think it depends on the person and if they like what they're doing and they're happy I feel like it should be should be like a question like if they're doing what they're like they want to do and they're

Fallonhappy and if it's not damaging to them maybe it might be damaging to you if you did it but for her it's not so okay what about you I agree with what she's saying and I mean the mic please into sorry we

Fallonstarted talking about this because someone said something about them not having respect for themselves but I don't think that's the case at all

Fallonif I'm being honest and I don't think anybody who they're with or anything doesn't have respect for them

Falloneither I mean if we're being honest like what what he said like like about watching ing porn and stuff and like paying for only fans and

Fallonall this stuff like you're playing into it and supporting it yeah you're supporting it but and then everyone who's disagreeing with what they say and

Fallonhow you were surpris I understand why you were surprised about her parents um being happy but I don't understand

Fallonyou being surprised about her parents supporting herh because I think you're a parent I mean I'm I'm not but I'm saying

Fallonlike if I did have a child of course like if it was them getting into like this type of work like

FallonI wouldn't be like super excited enthusiastic about it but anything that they do like even like you brought up

Fallonthe football example and how it was similar I don't think that that's similar at all what you said about the similarities I think that made sense but

FallonI think the two things aren't similar and yeah I just I think like if I had a kid like no matter what they're doing like I'm going to support period no matter what what if they're drug

Fallondealing now that's actually hurting somebody yeah that's hurting if they're not hurting anybody they're not hurting themselves is it though because

Lexi (Escort)legalized legal sex work we were advoc we we're on a legal BR where we get tested once a on the spot for STDs mhm for HIV and AIDS we provide you a safe

Aaron (straight8)spot to come hang out with the girls at the Bunny Ranch sure so yeah like I'm not I'm not surprised that her parents are supportive of it especially because you've gone like through the legal Avenues you're doing it at one of the

Aaron (straight8)few legalized brothel that there is in the United States and like I've seen HBO's cat house and like they have monitors they have I don't know if they still have but they have cameras watching all the interactions it's like it's legal it's above board so if there

Aaron (straight8)ever were to be a scenario where a parent is actually like more than fine with their parent being a sex worker I feel like it would be them because they doing legal I don't necessarily think it

Brian Atlasmeans that that that like perhaps a parent might not be enthused if their child is a I'm trying to think of a um I don't know well the question is do you

Dave Rubinwant to do you want to legalize do you want to institutionalize or criminalize your morality so again I'm not defending sex work but are like ultim do you want to put them in jail like what is what do

Dave Rubinyou want people to do people who are make who are prostitution is the oldest business in the history of the world so it's going to happen one way or another that's just a fact it's just a fact but by the way by the way I can I can also

Dave Rubinmake partly the other argument which would be that I I do smoke weed every now and again I used to smoke a lot of weed but I smoke weed maybe once a week for like five minutes to watch a Sims and then go to bed but um the more weed has become legal I actually do see it as

Dave Rubina problem because if any of you guys been to New York City lately the city has completely Fallen apart because it stinks like weed everywhere CU everyone's stoned everywhere or go to San Francisco or even out here in Santa Barbara like it smells like weed everywhere over time that's not good for

Dave Rubinsociety so I can make a sort of counterargument to it uh but at the end of the day you you can have your own personal moral beliefs that you can instill in your family and hope that your children will take those and build families that are similar or you got to

Brian Atlasbe like I'm going to jail an awful lot of people or kill an awful lot of people if I can hold on hold on hold on if I can bring it back I think this ultimately stemmed from a conversation we're having to kind of bring it back

Brian Atlasinto context with dating I I think we should maybe stray away from sex work bad sex work good let's try to bring It Center it back to how it relates to dating yeah and I think generally

Tracy (Lexi)speaking most men do not want to date women who are sex workers I feel like that also just I think they'll say that that depends on your partner though like if that it

Tracy (Lexi)literally depends on your partner like you have to have that connection with your partner and talk all the time like with that partner that you have so say if she's a sex work like Sor sorry you are a sex worker right but if a man were

Tracy (Lexi)to come up to you and you guys started getting to know each other a little bit more and like maybe a year goes by and he said hey I don't want you to be a sex worker no more I want you to you know get a regular job maybe and I could take

Tracy (Lexi)care of you like you'd probably be like yeah yeah of course like I said it depends on your partner talking I'm look men are allowed to have a preference standard or

Brian Atlasboundary sure but this push back on men having this standard of not wanting to date women who are prostitutes it's like

Brian Atlasto me do do you guys think that there's a large majority of men that want to date women who are or were involved in prostitution most men do not want to have long-term romantic relationships or

Aaron (straight8)probably even casual short-term relationships with women who are or were prostitutes I don't think that's a controversial I'm with you I don't think they want long-term relationships with sex workers but even the shortterm and hookup I definitely think they'd be like

Brian Atlasa lot of men would be way more open to that idea than you're willing to admit well let's let's all we also have cuz sex work is such a broad thing because that that could be anything from

Brian Atlastasteful lerie photos to like Street yeah so prostitution large majority of men would not want short-term or long-term romantic dating with

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