ØF Lawyer vs. Lauren Chen HEATED DEBATE! | Dating Talk #92

Date: 2023-08-21

Duration: 4h 04m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJasmine Jafar >

MMadison (DT94)>

EEmily Rainey (DT92)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Emily Rainey(guest)

SPEAKER_02Shia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Haley(guest)

SPEAKER_04Jasmine Jafar(guest)

SPEAKER_06Lauren Chen(guest)

SPEAKER_07Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

Key Moments

QuoteJasmine Jafar introduces herself as 28yo OnlyFans creator AND licensed attorney, earning low-to-mid six figures per month on OnlyFans vs six-figure annual salary as attorney.

“my name is Jasmine Jafar I'm 28 and I am an only fans creator and a licensed attorney... only fans is six figures a month”

QuoteLauren Chen introduces herself as 29yo TPUSA contributor and Blaze TV host/YouTuber.

“my name is Lauren I am 29 and a TPUSA contributor as well as a Blaze TV host and YouTuber”

QuoteJasmine describes quitting her law firm job for OnlyFans as a "no-brainer" — more time, money, happiness, and freedom.

“when I saw that it could definitely be a career for me it was like a no-brainer so more time money happiness freedom”

QuoteJasmine describes father's ultimatum to stop OnlyFans; she refused for the first time in her life. Family didn't speak for months before reconciling.

“he calls me and he's like you know what this is a terrible thing... and that was the first time in my life that I was just like no”

QuoteEmily Rainey arrives late (~20 min in) and introduces herself as 26yo social media and OnlyFans creator, in a 4-year relationship.

“yes hi I'm Emily Rainey I'm 26 and I do social media and only fans... I'm in a relationship”

ControversyJasmine Jafar vs Brian Atlas (and Lauren Chen) heated debate on mandatory selective service / draft. Jasmine argues draft is not a live issue in 2023. Brian calls her dismissive of men's concerns. Jasmine muted twice via viewer donations during this debate.

“the biggest issue for a man in 2023 right now is that he had to spend 10 minutes registering for something that is very likely to not come to fruition”

OtherViewer pays $500 to trigger Jasmine's microphone mute during draft debate.

“$500 to I think that does trigger a mute that's fine I'm tired of this issue anyway”

OtherBrian Atlas mutes Jasmine for 10 minutes after TTS chat insults her credibility as a lawyer.

“Nick it's a 10-minute mute on number nine is it all right sorry Jasmine”

QuoteAfter being unmuted, Jasmine jokes: someone can pay another $500 and she would be quiet for that.

“I'm back oh God I'm sorry I'm sorry guys someone can pay you another 500 I'd be quiet for that”

QuoteLauren Chen explains she changed her YouTube handle from "Roaming Millennial" to her real name because older conservatives at in-person events were confused by the screen name.

“I started doing in-person events and with a lot of older people and they were really weirded out by a screen name they did not understand”

ControversyExtended debate between Jasmine and Brian on promiscuity statistics (GSS data). Jasmine argues access to hookup culture does not translate to behavior. Brian argues women are more promiscuous by capability. Jasmine dissects his logic: missing bridging premise.

“you're missing the middle so premise two would have to be women are acting on this accessibility therefore women are more promiscuous you don't have that second premise”

QuoteHaley reveals her husband is a dedicated Eve Online player with spreadsheets, fleet meetings, and post-fleet debriefs.

“my husband is a pretty dedicated Eve player... he has spreadsheets out and they have meetings about it and then like post fleet meetings”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Show Announcements

Brian opens from Santa Barbara, CA. Recovering from illness. Hurricane and earthquake (5.5) in area; 8 guests flaked. Guests introduce themselves: Jasmine Jafar (28yo OnlyFans/attorney), Shia (26yo model/hotel), Haley (20yo flight instructor/UCSB), Lauren Chen (29yo Blaze TV/TPUSA). Emily Rainey (26yo OnlyFans/social media) joins ~24min in. Politics round: Jasmine = libertarian-left, Shia = apolitical, Haley = fairly progressive-left, Lauren Chen = right-wing/conservative, Madison = moderate/slightly right-leaning.

OnlyFans & Adult Content

Extended discussion of Jasmine's career pivot from attorney to OnlyFans (6-figure monthly income vs 6-figure annual as lawyer). Family background: Iranian immigrant parents, both sister and mom are lawyers. Parents initially disowned her for months before reconciling. Don't-ask-don't-tell policy with family now. Lauren Chen argues adult content not healthy for society; wants stricter age restrictions on platforms. Shia and Emily also do OnlyFans. Discussion of impact on future relationships (Jasmine says it won't affect her dating prospects with liberal men).

Political Leanings & Values Alignment in Dating

Brian asks panel about political leanings and whether they matter in dating. Jasmine: only dates liberal men; would not date conservative. Lauren Chen: right-wing/conservative, shares values with conservative husband. Haley: fairly progressive-left. Madison: moderate/slightly right-leaning. Jasmine argues politics reflect values alignment.

Feminist Debate: Workforce, Gender Roles, and Equality

Extended debate primarily between Jasmine Jafar and Lauren Chen with Brian moderating. Topics: women in workforce, happiness studies (DINKs vs parents), loneliness epidemic, social media's role in disconnection. Jasmine argues correlation/causation issues in blaming women's workforce participation for loneliness. Lauren and Brian argue meaningful connections have declined.

Male Selective Service / Draft Debate

Debate on whether women should register for the draft. Jasmine argues draft is not a relevant issue in 2023 and would abolish it entirely. Brian argues men's mandatory selective service registration is a real legal burden (felony + federal benefit disqualification for failure to register). Lauren Chen proposes service guaranteeing citizenship model (Starship Troopers-style). Chat suggests mandatory 2-year service for all. Discussion of Ukraine as example of wartime male conscription. Jasmine muted twice via viewer donations during this segment.

Reproductive Rights & Child Support

Discussion of men's reproductive rights (or lack thereof). Jasmine argues biology explains the asymmetry (child in woman's body). Brian argues legal paternal surrender and financial obligations post-birth are inequitable. Discussion of Roe v. Wade reversal. Lauren Chen raises mandatory paternity testing proposal and child support transparency. Panel generally agrees child support should be tracked/dedicated to child.

Male Emotional Vulnerability

Panel asked if men crying or being emotional would change romantic feelings. Emily: loves emotional men, boyfriend is large man who cries (makes her fall more in love). Haley: vulnerability makes her feel she created safe space; net positive. Lauren Chen: attractive if contrasted with confidence; dislikes men who cry regularly. Shia: uncomfortable with excessive emotion from anyone. Brian's World of Warcraft hypothetical: man crying over losing loot roll in-game. Lauren notes husband rages about Eve Online with spreadsheets and post-fleet meetings.

Dating Norms: Who Pays, Who Asks

Round-table discussion on first date bill splitting. Jasmine: person who asks should pay (expects man to pay if he asked her; she would pay if she asked a man). Shia: fine splitting separately. Emily: would not object and would sometimes offer to pay whole bill. Lauren Chen: fine splitting, did pay for dates when single. Madison: would love man to pay but fine either way. Brian argues men are default initiators and therefore bear both asking and paying burdens — inconsistency with Jasmine's egalitarian positions elsewhere.

Attractiveness Ratings & Self-Assessment

Discussion triggered by Brian on utility of 1-10 scale. Jasmine argues scale is juvenile and subjective (cites cultural variations in beauty standards, Statue of Aphrodite). Brian argues self-awareness is important especially for women to avoid delusional dating expectations. Lauren argues someone out there will find you beautiful but reality-checking matters. Emily says her self-assessment fluctuates day to day. Haley notes uniqueness of individual preferences.

Body Count, Promiscuity Stats, and Pair Bonding

Extended debate on body count and promiscuity. Jasmine argues lifetime body count does not correlate with marriage likelihood (cites studies). Brian disputes using 2018 GSS data showing 1-in-3 men under 30 sexless vs 1-in-6 women. Jasmine counters with 2021/2022 GSS data showing women more sexless. Brian argues women have more access to hookup culture therefore are more promiscuous by capability; Jasmine disputes that access translates to behavior. Lauren Chen argues correlation between body count and pair bonding risk. Debate on whether hookup culture is overrepresented in manosphere discourse.

Firearms Ownership in a Partner

Final round question: would you date a man who legally owns a firearm? Jasmine: yes, no issue. Emily: yes, provides security. Lauren Chen: yes, husband has several. Haley: context-dependent; hesitant about urban setting but could accept. Madison: fine. Brian's home-invasion scenario sparks extended discussion with Haley defending non-firearm deterrence options. Lauren Chen notes UK/US difference in home-invasion rates attributed to firearm ownership.

Transcript

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Jasmine Jafarat least are prompted about especially if you're kind of IM you get like an email when you're 18 like I just don't know how it works like how does it do you get that in the mail like no but I mean in every single post office in the United States there's

Jasmine Jafargoing to be something like this how many of you guys have seen that like I well it who knows it's not a part of our lives in America and it hasn't been for a long time besides the fact that people

Jasmine Jafarcan just say men have to register and women can't and I agree that's unfair no one should have to register but of course people are not going to be people are figuring out how to put food over their head flut on their table a roof over their heads nobody cares about the

Jasmine Jafardraft right now it's not a thing it's very easy for you to be so dismissive over something that is actually quite important but it's not important to anyone's daily activities of living in

Jasmine Jafar2023 and it's not it's not who how how is it because in the event of a war it would be very important but we've had Wars since the that we haven't used we

Jasmine Jafarhaven't even spoken other than in these we haven't we haven't even talked about in except in these spaces the possibility of reinstating the draft every time we talk about going to war we we have a military full of volunteers

Jasmine Jafarand I think the government would do more if we needed more recruits to incentivize people to volunteer paying them more which I think they should get paid more giving them more benefits I think those are ways we could recruit people we have not we have not had an

Brian Atlasenemy that necessitated a draft I mean we went through 911 and we still didn't necessitate the draft because our well okay now we can have an argument over whether it was appropriate to have invaded the middle it wasn't in my

Brian Atlasopinion but that doesn't mean that you did anyway so why not why didn't we use the dra mistake however there are two opponents that occur to me where a draft may be necessary for example China or Russia and when that time comes then we

Jasmine Jafarcan talk about it but right now I don't think when that time comes what are you talking about it's not happening right now nobody's talking about using okay right now if we went to war with China and Russia I think it would be a huge deal and we would all be discussing what

Jasmine Jafarto do but I think the first step wouldn't be to okay get on the news the draft is reinstated everyone pack up all men pack up go to your local airport and get ready to be shipped out I don't think that's how things would go I think

Jasmine Jafarone we do have a the biggest military in the world full of volunteers currently we I don't know if we need more people on Alvin Sam donated

TTS Reader$99 Jasmine you're failing to understand the draft itself is not the argument the requirement to apply is and that is significant to man's daily life because

Jasmine Jafarit carries legal consequences if we refuse to apply the biggest issue for a man in 2023 right now is that he had to spend 10 minutes registering for something that's very likely to not come to fruition then men have it far better

Lauren Chenthan I thought they did but I guess it's not just the time it takes to register it's the legal weight behind what you're registering for like as a man just in terms of principle is it fair is it right that you should have to volunteer for the or reg register for the dra if

Jasmine Jafarright but shouldn't don't you understand people who want to tackle that now like shouldn't that be a bigger deal sure I and if you if that's an issue that you're really passionate about sure but I think that if we were to make a list of issues going on in our country right

Jasmine Jafarnow it wouldn't be in the top 20 in my opinion now if there's some guy who just feels like he's being psychologically tormented because he's so afraid of going into the draft then sure but a lot of a lot of Americans are are concerned about other things that are affecting

Brian Atlastheir daily life instead of but let's say there was some event I mean again it's very dismissive yeah we haven't had a draft in a very long time is it looking like there's going to be a draft

Brian Atlasno but if there's some scenario where hits the fan there's not gonna be like a protracted discussion over oh should we uh do the draft like it's gonna come quick and it's gonna be like

Brian Atlasokay you're drafted in in addition to that he did mention some of the other things so it is technically uh let me see here it is technically a felony

Brian Atlasfailure to register may be fined up to $250,000 imprisoned for up to 5 years uh in in addition to being subject to prosecution failure to register may cause you to permanently forfeit

Brian Atlaseligibility of certain benefits so f Federal and many state laws require registration age men to be registered with the Selective Service to remain eligible for applying for the following benefits Student Financial Aid

Jasmine Jafargovernment employment employment with the US Postal Service job training and US citizenship for male immigrants yeah so like I said I don't like this I I want this to be changed but I don't think I think for men there are a lot of

Jasmine Jafarthings we should be focusing on the education Gap the issues with I want you guys to make more money to get paid more for your work I wouldn't right now be picketing for eliminating the draft because even though you have to register and even though there could be those

Jasmine Jafarconsequences like you said they're not usually enforced I haven't heard of a case at least maybe I'm just unfamiliar with any case where someone's no in peace okay in peace time certainly they're not going to be enforced although the when it comes to criminal

Brian Atlasprosecution not really being enforced however the negative consequences that I just listed that's there's that's not a question of enforcement like if you don't register for the draft then you're

Jasmine Jafarwhen it comes to you know the financial aid I talked about getting certain jobs like this is what I mean if someone had a petition and they're like to abolish the job I would sign it but am I going to spend my time my resources my energy right now fighting for this

Jasmine Jafarissue I don't think like I said if we if we pulled Americans right now it's about to be a voting year what is your top issues I don't think the draft would even get like 3% and that's because there's just a general lack of caring

Brian Atlaswhen it comes to men's issues no I think it's just a general lack of to come on something about something that's not happening I was just it is happening though there is a requirement for men to register for the selective service now

Jasmine Jafarwe're not in war it's not war time so there's not care about because it's not affecting their lives if they it was affecting their lives I think it would be a voting issue it's clearly not it's only the only people care about it are

Brian Atlasthe Manis spere it's never going to be an issue because it's it's just the deao it's the default men are just viewed as the Disposable sex no I think it's not an issue because men are worried about how they can feed their families they're

Jasmine Jafarnot worried about potentially being k into a draft which doesn't seem like it's coming to us anytime soon $500 to I think that does trigger a

Haleymute that's fine I'm tired of this issue anyway hold on let me see uh you come in go ahead well I don't know if I can follow that but I was just going to mention how it's important to remember

Haleythat as technology advances the need for physical people in the military is being reduced and so you know as we progress um um I think that the issue of the

Haleydraft potentially could be resolved in the fact in the way that no one would need it we just wouldn't need it and also another thing I think is important to remember is that in when there's some sort of War people usually want to

Haleysupport their country and their side and their are is usually a bit of an upake in volunteers onar donated $11 I'm a litigator of lawyer I'd run

TTS Readercircles around you in court you literally have no credit ability by denying the possibility of a war big enough to need a draft no real lawyer would be so shortsighted so stock

Brian Atlaspretending to be you clearly AR shortsighted uh Nick it's a 10-minute mute on number nine is it all right sorry Jasmine it's we we'll get you back

Brian Atlaswe'll get yeah yeah um you were you were saying that I'm sorry it's cuz the TTS came in and interrupted you a little bit oh there's usually an uptake in

Haleyvolunteers that want to support their country in some sort of event you know um just yeah so I don't I think it is possible that we can move forward past the need for a draft but I mean it would

Brian Atlasrequire a war that had some like righteous cause I mean the last time the draft was used was in Vietnam and I mean I don't think there was a big push from civilians to be like whoa this is like a

Haleyreally good cause here no no I totally agree with that yeah I just I mean that's just a small percentage in some cases historically that's been the case um so of course it depends on the situation but yeah I think the technology thing is pretty relevant in

Haleythe fact that that could is currently reducing our need for physical Manpower in our military yeah I mean Warfare is being fought differently but um but yeah like compared to Vietnam the last time

Haleywe had a draft there's no way we need that many bodies again like well we should we shouldn't have been in Vietnam well of course I agree with that absolutely um but yeah I think that because of the way

Emily Raineythat we're fighting war and that's changing um I think that that could eliminate our need for a draft there you have it okay uh Nick can you pull up oh I was just going to say one thing um actually a couple things um I feel like

Emily Raineyif there was to be like a draft first of all I feel like a lot of men actually wouldn't want like their women to be involved in the draft I feel like they would fight really hard to protect them not being involved I also think that if

Emily Raineythere was a draft I actually think a lot of women would actually want to be involved in the draft to stand up for the country and be more equal to men

Emily Raineyjust with how like things are these days um and also is if this is such a huge deal which I agree that it is and I think that it could actually possibly

Emily Raineyscare me too if I was a man um but I I don't understand why men then aren't like fighting more for us to just like all try to abolish the draft cuz I think most women if not all women would like

Brian Atlassupport that um claim that there just shouldn't be a draft because there's not really solidarity amongst men in the same way that there's solidarity amongst women uh they've done studies on this

Brian Atlasand uh women have a strong ingroup bias for other women and men have a slight outgroup bias for women so there's not like going to be that same level of

Brian Atlassolidarity there's also not like the uh the giant machine that is feminism that's just like pumping out and digging its nails into like all these

TTS Readerrecruitment numbers for US military are at an all time alone entitled Generations want student loan debt forgiven but aren't willing to sign up for 4 years of military service to get

Brian Atlastheir tuition paid for also young adults are too stupid to pass samp yo Raven thank you very much for the very generous TTS thank you guys

Brian Atlasthank you everybody tonight for all the uh very generous TTS is much appreciated uh all right let me read it oh Nick can you pull up uh twitch shout out to everyone on Twitch guys go to

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Brian Atlasyou got one we have wait did we do this one oh wait no hold on bender the offender ladies who do you think gets more praise in today's

Shiasociety boss babes or bluecollar men I yeah sorry you're you got another five minutes go

Shiaahead I think boss babes I mean it's definitely much more in the media and all that about like oh this is a woman

Shiaown company this is this this that um so I would say nowadays who hears a boss babe shove hands Lauren are you a boss babe Lauren I don't I don't think anyone would call

Emily Raineyme a boss bab a boss bab no I think they would yeah I think I would yeah for sure cuz you're you're successful you got a you know presence online yeah what

Lauren Chendo you consider yourself like a political pundit commentator what what would you define I'm flexible just please don't call me an influencer I've had people and I was very offended or a

Lauren Chenvlogger that I don't like either um I mean I I think I've definitely done well for myself in terms of a platform but I feel like when we hear the term and maybe I'm wrong in this but when I hear the term boss babe it's someone who's

Lauren Chennot just successful they're also a a leader entrepreneurial they're probably like they have um kind of like Ambitions to grow almost an Empire maybe I'm

Lauren Chenreading too much into it but I don't just see it as oh you're a successful woman can a guy be a boss babe am I I'm a boss babe

Brian Atlastotally I can be a yeah you are there you go all right there you have it there you have it all right thank you Bender

TTS Readerthe uh TJ uncore investor 05 donated $99 pay 304 with a bar license from

TTS ReaderGroupon no draft would you prefer that the Nazis won World War II this is a big issue we are on the Forefront of the most brutal ww of FC you care more about

Brian Atlasabortion so you can get railed while we die in the Chinese jungle yeah sorry hey we her Bender the offender muted her mic so uh she can't

TTS Readerrespond but I will respond on behalf of her janen donated $99 let's do away with the draft V Implement a 2-year mandatory service for all individuals regardless of second

TTS Readermaybe than some brats would learn responsibility after being put through the ringer isn't freedom of choice or whole thing in the United States we do have to pay

Brian Atlastaxes can't choose not to do that but uh I mean there's a lot of other countries that have the uh that I

Brian Atlasthink yeah absolutely wait I know Israel Singapore South Korea I think perhaps Sweden I know Switzerland has compulsory

Brian Atlascompulsory male military service there's definitely a lot of countries where the men have to do military service but the women are

Brian Atlasexempt even from like doing a civil type thing so uh TJ I respond on behalf of

Brian AtlasJasmine she concurs with everything you said she full-heartedly agrees with every single point you have made is that what you're saying World War II that's

Brian Atlaswhat he said you just agree with him on pretty practically everything but uh TJ appreciate it man all right we have

Brian Atlasuh let's see oh yeah Bender he did this one uh yeah I'd say so um I definitely think uh men who work blue colar job

Brian Atlasshould get a little more uh praise I guess uh they're the ones that hold up this Society you know it's all that all

Madisonright we have Josh Berg here uh Maddie can you read this the reason I'm so driven to financially provide for my wife is because I don't want her to work not because she can't but because I want her to have the most comfortable life

Brian Atlasshe still works because she's working to pay off her debt that she has okay thank you Josh Berg appreciate it uh and I didn't I we were having a back and you can't even well you can talk in a minute so I'll just talk at

Brian Atlasyou and then you can we were talking about like hypergamy and men not really caring about a woman's income and I mean I think there's a biological evolutionary basis for that

Brian Atlasbut the other argument I would make is one of the reasons men don't really particularly care and I've made this argument before is that women don't really share their resources with men

Brian Atlasthe same way that men share their resources with women so it's even if a guy was inclined to care about a woman's success or in income a lot of women are not prepared especially early on in a

Brian Atlasrelationship to provide to the same degree that like a man would for example like paying for the first date uh a lot of women not cool with paying for the

Brian Atlasfirst date uh certainly there are some women who are fine with it but like as a guy going into a first date there's certainly never an expectation that she's going to pay for the whole date

Brian Atlasyou might be a bit more egalitarian and think okay well maybe we'll split the bill but as a guy it's kind of a crap Sho you don't know like oh is she going to be cool with spling the bill a lot of women

Brian Atlasaren't uh I'm just a lot of guys are going to be like okay let me just I'll just pay for it just that to cover my bases so it's like hold on let me rant I got to rant for a little more then then

Brian Atlasyou're unmuted uh so we don't derive a benefit from women's success or their money uh certainly up front in a relationship the

Brian Atlassame way that women might cuz that and I'm not saying all men move like this but there's definitely men who take a girl on a date nice date pay for the de pay for the dinner um might treat her to

Brian Atlasa concert take her out you know somewhere you know sometimes spend 50 bucks 100 bucks on the first date um there's even simps out there that they're going to pay for

Brian Atlasshopping spree and which is a small I'd say a small proportion of men but there's definitely men who are going to lead with their money in that sort of

Jasmine Jafarway so uh Nick you can unmute her I'm back oh God I'm sorry I'm sorry guys someone can pay you another 500 I'd be quiet for that there is that but I would say that maybe you're right when it comes to just

Jasmine Jafardating but when it comes to family creation women are just as likely as men to uh support their family and their offspring so for that maybe you're right I don't think like and I don't think people care for like a first date or in the dating phase how much money woman woman makes especially if they're

Jasmine Jafarexpected and they they are planning to provide all that but when it comes to actually long-term relationships which is what the studies are showing that men are starting to care more and more about woman's income about her education is a

Jasmine Jafarbig one I mean maternal education has a big impact on kids those kids end up doing far better um having far higher proficiency levels in math science they end up doing far better in school moms who are Highly Educated expose their

Jasmine Jafarchildren to activities that stimulate their cognitive development um there's a study that showed that like kids who have parents that are have more and a bachelor's degree hear like 30 million more words by age like something than kids who have parents on welfare like

Jasmine Jafarthese are things that you should definitely be thinking about college educated women have lower divorce rates um and their marriage I actually heard that no that is just an absolute it was even published in 2023 2023 strats came

Jasmine Jafarout they were in Forbes again and and especially when you look at longevity a woman with a college degree is uh almost 80% likely to have a marriage that lasts at least 20 years a woman without a I heard it's more likely if she's college educated to initiate a divorce but

Jasmine Jafarthat's what you're conflating so you're conflating so you have selection bias so you're looking at couples who are already getting divorced and then you're saying in those couples that are getting divorced the women are more likely to initiate if they're college educated you're right but those women are less

Brian Atlaslikely to be in that position in the first place so you have a selection bias by just looking at college or people couples that are getting divorced well wouldn't is it really a selection wouldn't you be look of the people that

Jasmine Jafarare getting divorced wouldn't you be looking at that yeah but of the people that are getting divorced but they're more less likely to be in that group in the first place do you see what I'm saying okay I see what yeah so that's that's where that people this fear Manis

Jasmine Jafarfeere constantly conflate those I called it out on fresh and fit too it's very easy you could look this up super easily so if you're going to look at the couples that are getting divorced and I think it makes sense a woman who has more resources is more likely to initiate and leave a s shitty situation

Jasmine Jafarbut college educated women are less likely to be in that situation in the first place and you're just looking at people who are already in that situation well then but I've also heard that uh women who are the bread winners are more likely to divorce their husbands but

Jasmine Jafaragain college but it's not even just among the cohort of people that are getting divorced it's just is more likely so that has been true it's been narrowing but that is true but that still doesn't negate the fact that those

Jasmine Jafarwomen who are more educated especially if you have higher than like a um bachelor's degree like your divorce rate goes down to 25% which is half of what the general population is

Brian Atlasokay okay cool cool cool stuff cool stuff good story good story but in any case when it comes to dating for example uh men don't really derive a benefit and

Jasmine Jafarfrom a woman's success or M well that study I mentioned that Karin did showed that they put people they put like millions of dating app users and they put their faces and they put their income and both men and women were more likely to rate someone as more

Jasmine Jafarattractive um both men and women if including men were more likely to rate a woman as attractive when she had higher income so they're starting to care at least on dating apps now I don't know if these people dating for marriage or what

Jasmine Jafarthey were dating for I think this would be a bigger deal if you're looking for marriage and it's also the bigger deal for women if they're looking for long-term relationships you we talk about time women who are looking for shorter term relationships care more about the physical attractiveness of

Jasmine Jafartheir of their um significant other women who are looking for longterm relationships care more about other things disavow like okay you can talk about the studies

Brian Atlasright but I mean maybe we can ask all the girls here at the table and perhaps we ask this to you last time uh would you if on the first date the guy asked to split the bill would you take quarrel

Jasmine Jafarwith that depends if he asked to take me to dinner if he asked me then I expect the person who asked to pay so yes okay I mean here we'll go around the table and I'll address that what about you I

Emily Raineywouldn't have a problem with it I would be fine with that and sometimes I would even offer to pay the entire Bill myself okay yeah I think it's Case by case but I I do I don't

Emily Raineyknow I oh sorry I think it's so like circumstantial because I do kind of agree that like if you're asked to be like whined and DED and then all of a sudden they're like oh so you got half I do think that would be kind of like hm

Emily Raineybut yeah so I think it just depends on like the conversation the relationship before because also if it wasn't like that like they were all like big gang I'm going to take you out then I wouldn't mind splitting at all so yeah I think it kind of depends yeah I actually

Shiawant to add to my answer kind of going off of yours I would be slightly mad if they asked to do like havies like if we did Separate Checks I'd be fine because I don't drink and normally drinks are

Lauren Chenexpensive so if we went half on and they were drinking I'd be like okay uh Lauren what about you um I've split the bill on dates I've paid for a lot of dates too I

Lauren Chenthink I I don't like the idea that you should have to have a financial investment just to get to like if I were single I don't think it should be dependent on a financial loss potentially for you just to get to know

Madisonme Madison I would most definitely love if a man paid for the whole entire thing but I don't mind at all either okay so

Brian Atlasyou mentioned that if the guy asked you yeah then he should pay right more often than not who's asking for the first date the guy are you are

Jasmine Jafaryou are you advocating for some type of affirmative action here Brian I'm not asking for affirmative action but it just happens to be just like it happens to be with firefighting that more men can meet the standard men ask women out

Jasmine Jafarmore that is true so more like they're more likely to because they ask in my opinion they the person who asks is hosting when someone says can I take you out to dinner I assume you want to take me out to dinner yes if you word it like

Jasmine Jafarthat but if you for example you're like do you want to grab some food that's a bit more ambiguous or like are you free for dinner yeah yeah so for me it's still that person asking personally it's what I think I think the person that you

Jasmine Jafarwould take an issue I would and one of the reasons for that is I would assume because one if he asked and two because still we're in this Society where he's expected to pay and he's forgoing that and he didn't even mention it first of

Jasmine Jafarall I've never had that happen but if it did I would assume he's just a cheap and stingy person and me from the culture I'm from like I am fighting to pay for everybody and it's not just a gender thing I just went to lunch with a colleague he's like in his 50s old

Jasmine Jafarcolleague Mormon guy in his 50s I paid like he took out his wallet I said no let me pay I constantly try to pay for my friends we're always fighting for the bill so it's not about that but for I'd be afraid that he's one of those people who's going to be like I'm not even friends with people who are like can you

Jasmine Jafarvenmo me for the Skittles because I don't even know like how to be friends with someone like that I'm like afraid to hang out with them because if they're running into the gas station and they're like do you want anything I'm like no because I'm so afraid that they're going to be so perplexed by having to pay for

Jasmine Jafarsomething of mine so a guy who's automatically showing me that behavior I don't even split checks with my friends it's more like okay I'll get you you get me next time so I would never want to be with a have a friend or a a significant

Jasmine Jafarother who likes to split checks it's just not part of me or my culture and I like that part of my culture so okay but you do acknowledge that it is a stereotypical gender role to expect a

Jasmine Jafarguy to pay for the full state it is okay well I mean how do you reconcile that with your rather egalitarian view on other things I don't think that it should be I don't think the St I don't think the stereotype should be in place

Jasmine Jafarin the sense of because he's a man he should pay which is why when I just went to dinner I mean to lunch with a colleague and he's a man and he's much older than me I asked to pay so I think that was that was in a romantic it wasn't a romantic scenario and I said if

Jasmine JafarI ask a guy out I'll pay and after the first date like if I want to see you again and I'm like then after that they don't have to pay for every date but usually if you ask me to be there in the first place then I think you should pay

Jasmine Jafarand if you don't pay then I'd be like oh he's just like a cheap stingy person that's would be my impression of it and it's like you asked me to be here and you're not paying now he well the guy

Brian Atlasasking you to be there you you admitted yourself that you don't really ask men to go out on dates no so I mean if men are de facto the ones that have to ask

Jasmine Jafarwomen for dates then they don't have to ask women they just have to ask me if I if you want me to go out cuz I barely leave my house so there's no way I'm asking a random guy to go out on a DAT I'll barely go out to see my friends right so even you somebody who's not

Jasmine Jafarreally out and about you're still expecting a guy to take on the burden of having to initiate yeah I I mean I he has to take the burden to initiate and the bottom

Jasmine Jafarline is just the way things work it may not be fair life is not fair but far more men want to go out with me than I do with them initially now that's how it is though are initiators yeah so

Lauren Chentherefore if men are initiators I think they should pay for the first date yeah but that's Sor I have a question for you so would you would you be open to like if a guy asked you to do something where

Jasmine Jafarlike hey do you want to go for a walk or a run like would you would that be an acceptable date idea or maybe not walk around cuz I always wear heels but I'm okay with like oh you know there's fireworks going on at the park tonight do you want to go do that yeah I don't

Jasmine Jafarexpect them to take me on some expensive lavish date in fact that would kind of make me uncomfortable because I still have that part of me that like cuz I I make good money like when I'm out at a restaurant I just order whatever the I want if I knew someone else was paying for it I would be like okay let

Jasmine Jafarme not get this appetizer let me not like I I do have that in my head and it's actually more uncomfortable but yeah right well I guess it's just convenient that if you're position is

Jasmine Jafarwell whoever asks should pay it does sort of glance over and Overlook the fact that men de facto are the ones who are initiating and who are asking women out on dates I think that's just the reality I don't think that that's that I think women who want to ask a men out on

Jasmine Jafardates should and I don't think there's anything but overwhelmingly women don't yeah and that's just the reality of it is what it is like men are going to ask women out more and so because of that because they're in that role then yeah they might they're going to have I think

Brian Atlasthey should so when it comes to something that perhaps is uh negatively impacts men it is what it is I don't think it's how it should be well no but

Jasmine Jafaryou said it you do think so because you said that men should the first you think it should no I don't think that women men should be asking women out more than women ask men out I just think that's the reality of the situation what do you

Jasmine Jafarmean is it wishful thinking I'm saying it shouldn't you think what I'm saying it shouldn't H it shouldn't I'm not saying that I think that it should be the case but it is the case and that's just the reality just like I said it's the reality that women carry children

Jasmine Jafarthe way the dating Market works if we're talking about reality and this is the truth and the red pill it is the case that men generally are more likely to be the Chasers and the initiators of dates and unless you want to implement some kind of affirmative action here yes

Brian Atlaslet's Implement what else to do about that women will be legally obligated to hit on one dude a week there we go by law if you don't it's a felony you get thrown

Brian Atlasin jail sorry you didn't talk to enough dudes um all right let me do a couple chats here we have

Brian Atlasuh did we do this one did we do this did we did we do this one no who's Lauren me oh sorry sorry okay yeah yeah

Brian Atlasmy bad I'm looking at this side of the table Lauren yeah yeah okay do you want me to read oh yeah can you read I'm sorry I don't have my glasses oh that's fine uh Madison can

Madisonyou read it Lauren IND digitals Arcane depth your aidite Exposition sign embracing variegated

Brian Atlaspar I like cannot pronounce any of Madison did not have general education I didn't no those are hard this is a very well-crafted

Brian AtlasJasmine read it I I'm not read embracing variegated paradigms your crafted Prof excuse me

Brian Atlasprofundities epitomize wisdom Zenith intellectual Alchemy Becky wisdom seekers in

Jasmine Jafarutmost reverence wow I definely like a poem com people comment on her versus me like why can't I get this even negatively just give me this kind of

Jasmine Jafarword choice it's beautiful might have something to do with your my what your chosen profession I reckon yeah and that

Madisonmen are less educated I think tend to have a bigger issue with it all right we have Ryan the eating Warrior uh Madison it's cool the way she laughs about the draft I laugh about roie Wade being

Madisonoverturned for someone claiming to be so educated you're coming off kind of tarted NGL oh my God I mean at least you use the write your a win is a win

Madisonokay I've known thousands of women in my life and Jasmine is truly the most annoying of all please don't ever bring it back on the show wow damn first of all why does every single person spell

Brian Atlasmy name differently that's commented like I've it's been spelled so many ways that is a good question that is a good question why a z m e can they not

Madisonspell her name who knows it is a mystery that will elude us for decades okay uh Madison go ahead it's so foolish for this woman to say there's no need for a draft basically all big Wars had drafts

Madisonwe would have lost to the Nazis without a draft all these dumb things you say were protected by that draft foolish people as it's not World War II anymore so much

Jasmine Jafarhas changed since then it's like we already have the biggest military in the world I don't think our concern as a society right now should be how do we expand our military through the draft

Jasmine Jafarand or thinking about some scenario like again I think there's a reason that this is not an issue when it comes to voting if it was if people were really worried about this men or women it would be because our politicians like to exploit

Jasmine Jafarwhat people are worried about in order to win people are worried about the economy inflation how to feed their kids they're worried about how how to pay off their debt they're not like I'm just waking up every morning like rocking like I is today the day is to say the

Brian Atlasday I'm going to get drafted that's just not happening cute cute cute but uh okay we already talked enough

Madisonabout all right they're going to mute me uh thank you Austin Smith though appreciate it if a man you're interested in admitting something made him cry or you saw him cry would your your feelings

Emily Raineyfor him change stop the cap no I love that I love whenever men show emotion and cry no I'm not it's not cap such

Emily Raineyit is not such it is not actually my boo Baloo said he never cried like before we got to be together and he's a huge dude and like sometimes

Haleyhe does cry and I just like fall like more in love so no cap I second this yeah it's men being able to be vulnerable in

Haleyfront of me makes me feel like I did something right in giving them the space to show their emotions and to trust me enough as their partner to be okay being

Lauren Chenthemselves in front of meur oh sorry your thoughts Lauren um I I I think there's a limit I think as a woman it

Lauren Chenwould be very hard to have a partner who cries regularly you know I yeah I me do you like women cry regularly no yeah so I think I think

Lauren Chenthere's a time and a place uh but you know in general nobody should cry regularly yeah I agree I I I think in general it it's attractive when a man is more stoic and I I agree though even for

Lauren Chenwomen I'm not looking for someone who cries a lot as a friend that's that's annoying uh I understand that like you want to feel like the only person that your partner can be vulnerable with cuz

Lauren Chencuz he trusts you more than everyone and I think that's what women talk about when they say I I want a man to cry in front of me but I don't think any woman wants a man who makes it habit let's just put it that way man or woman it's

Lauren Chenlike I don't know if you guys saw Elemental the new Pixar movie but I hated that crying water guy cuz he was always he was so annoying like why water that's why water doesn't need to be

Shiaalways crying so that was frustrating your thoughts um I might get a lot of hate for this but it kind of makes me uncomfortable when kind of like

Shiayou said when anyone's really emotional around me I myself am not an emotional human and so I actually had to have a conversation with one of my friends the other day cuz you know it was one of

Shiathose things where was just paragraphs of feelings and you know this is is actually during Elemental my sister's like that she's probably watching this she started balling NE watching that and

Shiaand I was so uncomfortable I was like what are you doing like that's my in the movie theater so anyways like I was

Shiasaying um so it not just men but if anyone is too emotional I'm uncomfy I shut down I'm like no please go talk to someone anyone

TTS Readerelse yeah I think this idea of I don't I don't believe this idea

Brian Atlasthat oh all right Arab Money 52 donated $1,000 I got one I got one here dude Arab Money hold on I'm going to

Emily RaineyPO sure yo [Laughter] thanks hold on I thought I was being muted what's up

TTS ReaderI thought I was being muted Arab Money if you want you can mute Jasmine let us know it is above the oh thank you m Matthew McCarthy donated 99

TTS Readerthanks for throwing me under the bus chhat is going in on me haha I only cry around you haha my last one for the night I think I need to nap so I can

TTS Readerdrive Bella home Brian first time in Santa Barbara it's gorgeous love you boal love you you're welcome yo Matt thank you for uh the uh T TTS uh this is

Brian Atlasfor uh for Arab Money here all right hold on all right let's see wait Jasmine can you come stand over here I think the

Brian Atlaschatard this all right hold

Brian Atlason yay all right who want who wants some champagne can I legally drink this no uh damn

Brian Atlasyo Arab Money 52 uh thank you man by the way what's your actual name here I'm going to message you and ask you for your actual name um I am still getting over my my illness I don't know if you can hear my

Shiavoice I sound scuffed uh Lauren I don't drink it I'm not a big drinker either I actually I don't drink never had a drop never never

Shiaeven tried it come on do I've never had a drop you want don't peer pressure hurt not at all yeah wait AE it doesn't taste good how old this is a a

Brian Atlasuh it's a all right I'm going to have a little okay and I'm a lightweights holy I almost well if anybody changes their

Brian Atlasmind uh it is there all right this is to you Arab Money 52 uh did you message me what your name is he he says just say my

Brian Atlasname is Mitch Jones okay to Mitch Jones Mery buku for the very gener your very generous patronage by the way he actually sent one a$1 th000 one over

Brian Atlasbreak um unfortunately I wasn't able to trigger it it's kind of scuffed but uh Arab Money 52 Mitch Jones uh I

Jasmine Jafardedicate this Che hey there you go Sal oh my

Jasmine JafarGod I never drink I never drink does no one here drink that's I'm not I'm I'm not a big drinker I go to UCB I mean you should

Brian Atlasyou should thank you man appreciate it your patronage is uh very much appreciated uh I'm forgetting where we were was somebody oh about like men crying things

Brian Atlaslike that oh yeah men crying yeah I don't know this okay this idea that women are attracted to men who are vulnerable I I disagree with I don't think it's the case because if that was

Brian Atlasthe case like for example a lot of women say they like men who are confident but wouldn't it be vulnerable to like step to a girl and kind of be a little awkward or a little a little shy or a little nervous that would be being

Lauren Chenvulnerable however I think women are not attracted to that that's the thing being vulnerable is being confident sometimes the vulnerability is only attract if it's contrasted with the confidence

Lauren Chenbecause you don't want to no one wants uh I mean it's just true in general like a a very awkward uncomfortable guy who doesn't make eye contact people don't

Lauren Chenwant that but what they want is a I'm sorry it's the liquor um what women actually want is they want someone who is very confident

Lauren Chenand frankly masculine to then show exclusively to her in certain moments vulnerability therefore showing that he trusts her more than other people that's what's attractive it's not just blanket

Haleyvulnerability and you can have both you can it goes both ways and you know everyone kind of sounds like vulnerability when it's

Emily Raineyconvenient yes that that would be accurate she missed it okay there you go there you have it ladies and gentlemen okay well actually if I think about just my personal like relationships with friends two of the happiest

Emily Raineyrelationships that I know one is actually my friend who's a man who's dating a woman and one is a woman that's my friend who's dating a man and the man that's my friend is really really like

Emily Raineyemotional and I would say vulnerable like with his woman and kind of just with people in general but he's also really confident and they have an extremely happy relationship and then my

Emily Raineyone of my girlfriends who's with a man who's um or no yeah who with who's with a man who's extremely emotional they also have a really happy like amazing relationship and then I can

Emily Raineythink of two girlfriends who are dating men who are more closed off and don't really show that side and like she's pretty miserable with him so okay here's a scenario I'm going to paint a scenario for all of you here at

Brian Atlasthe table let's say you've been dating a guy for a year and he's big into playing World of Warcraft now he's in one of the top

Brian Atlasrating guilds on his server he plays Alliance and he he his Guild it's loot Council so

Brian Atlasthere's a lot of favoritism in the loot system and he was overlooked in a major loot decision so gr they KT NAX

Brian AtlasRamis gresle drops now he thinks he's in line for gresle which is the B best in slot uh sword for Rogues and warriors

Brian Atlasright now he thinks he's in line for gresle but someone new to the guild gets gressle instead of him and he's so upset

Haleythat he starts crying starts crying over gressle I mean it's nice to see no it's nice to see that he cares about something and if that's something he's

Haleyinterest War I mean if that's something that he's passionate about then that's something he's allowed to be passionate about that's not my choice or that he's totally within his rights to be to cry over something he cares

Lauren Chenabout I mean my husband is a pretty dedicated Eve player so I understand how for some men this isn't just it's not just games it's a hobby and it's their social group so I think it's per like if if that really mattered to him then I

Brian Atlaswould be sad that it didn't work out for him your your husband plays Eve online okay I'm not familiar with the uh I've heard of the game it's like a space MMO

Lauren Chenor something like that I think oh it is he would say it is so much more than that but yes I heard it's pretty hardcore like uh it is he has spreadsheets out and they have meetings about it and then like post Fleet

Lauren Chenmeetings it is intense have you ever seen him get worked up about Eve online yes I have heard rants about inner Eve drama as

Haleywell and that's the thing I no no but I care about it because he cares about it wow that's a keeper right there just like if there's something I care about I want my partner to also back me up on

Brian Atlasthat and support me with whatever I care about it goes both ways to an extent okay my argument didn't work very well all right all right there you have it folks

Brian Atlasthey don't mind if you freak the out about shitty loot drama okay uh let's see we

Madisonhave Jonathan D Madison do the 37y old six figures two kids married 15 years I watch because my son found Tate why do these shows complain about men doing

Madisoneverything why would I want women drafted when they aren't as good militarily we are the men and life isn't fair stop

Brian Atlaswhining well there you have it folks uh equality that's why you would want it uh you know so you don't want a meritocracy now well I don't think it's

Jasmine Jafarwanting to want progress or something better is what I would say word I was just saying like do you want a meritocracy or do you want like do you want those that are best for the job

Jasmine Jafarbecause you seem to be anti-affirmative action which I don't necessarily disagree with you when it comes to things like gender for women getting in like in stem um jobs and stuff but even if they're not as well equipped that's

Jasmine Jafarwhat affirmative action is do you think for the military that that would be something you you'd be in favor of would you be in favor of lowering the standards for at least physical standards so that women could get in

Brian Atlasmore in those roles no equality I'm not in favor of lowering physical standards and whether it's police military firefighters I'm not in favor of that yeah so am I so then you're not for

Jasmine Jafarequality there what's not equ it's not that's not equality well the whole point of like programs like affirmative action is to promote diversity and equality that's Equity though not equality okay it's fair Equity like equal wouldn't

Brian Atlasequality just be there's the women are have the opportunity but it's the same standard across the board you both have to do 100 push-ups or whatever it is so if women were required to sign up for the draft but they just weren't

Jasmine Jafarpicked because men were better suited and so they want to take Men first because they're better suited would you have a problem with that would I have a problem with if they were if they had a draft and everyone we obviously all need to go to this war so they were trying to

Brian Atlastake some people first and then they run out they're like okay we have enough people would you be okay with more men being in and women because that's that's already a thing I mean even in the volunteer forces men are more likely to be com like Frontline combat soldiers so

Jasmine Jafarwould you have an issue if the draft was opened up to men and women but women weren't accepted because they they would rather take Men first because of they're more suited for the military would you have an issue with that I mean there's

Brian Atlasthere's certainly an argument to be made about phys physical capability so practically speaking like if the argument is that men are better combat soldiers mhm uh and they've done studies

Brian Atlason this the military's done studies on this for example men are uh far less likely to be injured in like high impact running scenarios especially with weight a woman's much more likely to get like an ACL Terror I think

Brian Atlasthey've done studies on like ACL terrors in the military and women are much more likely to uh because of just the innate differences in our anatomy yeah

Jasmine Jafarso so if women were um had to register for the draft but they just weren't being drafted for the reason that you just for the reasons you just stated would that be a problem for you because they would need more men that or people

Brian Atlasthat are fit physically that's question uh when I think when it comes to defense I think the person who's best suited for the job should do it so if it was men

Jasmine Jafaroverwhelmingly and women were SEL they were had to register but they were never drafted because they'd rather take men were you well there yeah there's just certain better for the country there's just certain biological anatomical

Brian Atlasrealities that men are likely to be better uh soldiers when it comes to combat okay yeah I agree just saying if you agree just for purely physical reasons not not to say that like a woman

Jasmine Jafarcouldn't do it I agree but generally speaking men have like certain physical I'm saying if our military was 50% men and 50% women I think it'd be a worse military than if

Haleyit was the majority men and you know only a small percentage of what our military does is like physical combat jobs that require the physical fitness that males may have over females

Haleybiologically may have have you know for that position is what I'm saying um so you know that does that's there's plenty of places for women um to be in our military and to be useful in a draft situation that's yeah for sure yeah

Brian Atlasthere's definitely all kinds of uh roles in the military that are not related to like direct uh like a combat Frontline

TTS Readerposition so yeah oh here we go donated $100 Lauren has established herself as the smartest woman on the panel sorry

TTS Readergez you try too hard and you come across as irritating stop letting your mouth run ahead of your super tentorial synaptic activity relx your brain in

Jasmine Jafarcase you missed it super tentorial I'm sure you looked this up and found a way to write this comment and I'm really proud of you and I just feel like if this audience was happy with me I'd be doing something wrong

Brian Atlasso B all right we have uh let's see oh wait we did this one this one did he send it twice hold on no this is a

Madisondifferent one oh oh but I can't read that I cannot read that it hurts my brain come on M give it a shot here give

Madisonit a crack oops oh didn't mean oh okay we'll get to that Lauren within digitals esoteric tapestry you're

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UnknownOBU well you I think uh and I if you're not subscribed on YouTube I I hope you do cuz you can hear me talk a lot a lot more on there I'm still in school for a

Madisonreason guys just saying all right we have the cast man go ahead Maddie the draft is likely to happen now because of the recruitment crisis they just activated the inactive guard for the

Madisonfirst time since right before the 2003 invasion of Iraq also the CFR is writing articles questioning the possible need of a draft there you have it folks we are going to

Brian Atlaswar and Jasmine is going to be on the front lines uh the Resurgence of logic thank you Brian you seriously need more men because these three ofos are so clueless about the male experience say

Brian Atlasthe world say the word and I will fly let me trigger it again oops to out to debate with these bad faith actors I would relish the chance

Jasmine Jafarto point out the flaws in their loic mute jazz in real time # mute Jazz okay there you have I'm willing to aliean you can debate me DM me on Instagram we'll do a live debate I'm not she'll do it

Madisonoff camera there you go I'm willing to do it here or off camera all right we have KV Moga thank you Brian a lighter question actually Madison can you read this Brian a lighter question you are helping of girls intentionally or not to

Madisonsell more subscriptions on your platform if the guys who pay for these subscriptions are called simps what should the podcast host to be called maybe of p m PS oh

Brian Atlasoh I'm a pimp uh I suppose that is that is one way in which you could I think you'd need to be getting a cut of their income for that to be all right Jasmine let's

Jasmine Jafartalk I mean are you going to give me part of the like $1,500 people spent to talk about

Brian Atlasme nope uh yeah I should people have suggested that that I start asking for a cut from

Brian Atlasthe girls but affiliate marketing I don't think I don't think uh that would happen but uh

Brian Atlasuh well Jasmine maybe you can from your last appearance mhm how' you do it was good fresh and fit was a lot better oh excuse me like

Jasmine Jafarwith the subs I'm sorry with the subs I think my I talked more on there but yeah it's decent yeah it's decent I did a poll the other day on where people found

Jasmine Jafarme and I put podcasts and articles and everything um together and that was around like 133% of my income Doc venil is donated $100 did not look it up Nick can you

TTS Readerauthoritative comprehension via ER addition and derivative experiential analysis you on the other hand are parting Destiny's talking points I'm smarter than you cry baby cry definitely

Jasmine Jafarsounds like a comment made by a person that um has very amazing intellect he says he's smarter than you yeah exactly it must be it must be true must be true and again I don't think

Jasmine Jafarthese are I don't think it's my talking points or his talking points these are just things like if you look up the stuff that you hear them say it's sometimes false like a lot of like the college educated stat you guys constantly conflate or um talking about

Jasmine Jafarhow women far off in divorce when women far off far worse financially after divorce than men and are less likely to repartner yes that is women fare worse yeah men far off worse psychologically but women are more likely their standard

Jasmine Jafarof financially yes their standard of living goes down they're more likely to be in poverty seek government assistance please look this up men are more likely to suffer um alcohol drug abuse um un

Jasmine Jafaralive themselves um get sick like all of those things so psychologically men fa off worce after divorce but financially women Fair off Force please look that's just wrong on its face why is it wrong

Jasmine Jafaron it face it's just wrong on its face because when it comes to fairing worse men overwhelmingly pay child support and alimony yes but the woman's standard of living still goes down after divorce and

Jasmine Jafarthe man man's is less likely to that's why I'm saying look it up so yeah but that's not clear to me if that's them fairing worse financially they're more likely for their standard of living to decrease after divorce they're more likely to seek government assistance

Jasmine Jafarmore likely to be in poverty like child support you mentioned it I think only like 20 something per like it's not like everyone who's ordered to pay child support does in fact the majority don't so the major the majority don't pay child support I think I'd have to look

Brian Atlasthat up look not going to yeah but you can also look up the divorce stuff I'm talking about that is well well speaking of Child Support I mean it's one of the ways in which we still have debtor prisons which doesn't exist for other

Brian Atlaskinds of debts what do you mean like well men ex almost men exclusively if you don't pay child support you're likely to be uh thrown in jail well they're going to garnish wages before they do

Jasmine Jafarthat also child support payments from women to men are going up it's not gendered they're okay they're growing up but I mean it's still insignificant again the it's the rules the laws are

Lauren Chengender neutral Lauren you wanted to come in on something um not that I remember but I have opinions about child support how would you all feel about child support being determined uh based off like

Lauren Chenmandatory paternity testing as well as actually having to I know I've heard a lot of men complain about their child's support not actually going to the child like needing I guess better documentation more transparency in terms

Shiaof the child support payments I'm fine with that valid sounds good to me yeah I think it makes total sense

Brian Atlasyeah I think that in the same way like with uh SNAP benefits food benefits you okay empty I'm going to get okay

Brian Atlasum there should be a uh limitation on what you can spend with child support like if you have SNAP

Brian Atlasbenefits you have food benefits you can only buy food with that card so I think you should only be able to you can't go get your nails done it needs to be for

Emily Raineythe child it needs to be dedicated for the child on a credit card a card issued by the uh court or something I mean I think also the point of Child Support is because like the the person who's paying

Emily Raineythe child support isn't like like watching the child all the time like they're seeing them what maybe a one or twice a week at the most um a lot of times so I think and sometimes they just

Emily Raineydon't see them at all um like someone who's very close to me um so I I don't really think I mean I think it all kind of evens out I mean I do hear the argument and I don't even necessarily

Emily Raineydisagree with it but I just think if you're primarily watching and taking care of the child and you spent ,000 on them that month but then their $200

Emily Raineychild support card you like got gas with it or something that wasn't necessarily directly correlated to the child it's still like you spent the, so I don't really I think it kind of like evens out but I mean I I also don't disagree with

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