ØF Lawyer vs. Lauren Chen HEATED DEBATE! | Dating Talk #92

Date: 2023-08-21

Duration: 4h 04m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJasmine Jafar >

MMadison (DT94)>

EEmily Rainey (DT92)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Emily Rainey(guest)

SPEAKER_02Shia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Haley(guest)

SPEAKER_04Jasmine Jafar(guest)

SPEAKER_06Lauren Chen(guest)

SPEAKER_07Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

Key Moments

QuoteJasmine Jafar introduces herself as 28yo OnlyFans creator AND licensed attorney, earning low-to-mid six figures per month on OnlyFans vs six-figure annual salary as attorney.

“my name is Jasmine Jafar I'm 28 and I am an only fans creator and a licensed attorney... only fans is six figures a month”

QuoteLauren Chen introduces herself as 29yo TPUSA contributor and Blaze TV host/YouTuber.

“my name is Lauren I am 29 and a TPUSA contributor as well as a Blaze TV host and YouTuber”

QuoteJasmine describes quitting her law firm job for OnlyFans as a "no-brainer" — more time, money, happiness, and freedom.

“when I saw that it could definitely be a career for me it was like a no-brainer so more time money happiness freedom”

QuoteJasmine describes father's ultimatum to stop OnlyFans; she refused for the first time in her life. Family didn't speak for months before reconciling.

“he calls me and he's like you know what this is a terrible thing... and that was the first time in my life that I was just like no”

QuoteEmily Rainey arrives late (~20 min in) and introduces herself as 26yo social media and OnlyFans creator, in a 4-year relationship.

“yes hi I'm Emily Rainey I'm 26 and I do social media and only fans... I'm in a relationship”

ControversyJasmine Jafar vs Brian Atlas (and Lauren Chen) heated debate on mandatory selective service / draft. Jasmine argues draft is not a live issue in 2023. Brian calls her dismissive of men's concerns. Jasmine muted twice via viewer donations during this debate.

“the biggest issue for a man in 2023 right now is that he had to spend 10 minutes registering for something that is very likely to not come to fruition”

OtherViewer pays $500 to trigger Jasmine's microphone mute during draft debate.

“$500 to I think that does trigger a mute that's fine I'm tired of this issue anyway”

OtherBrian Atlas mutes Jasmine for 10 minutes after TTS chat insults her credibility as a lawyer.

“Nick it's a 10-minute mute on number nine is it all right sorry Jasmine”

QuoteAfter being unmuted, Jasmine jokes: someone can pay another $500 and she would be quiet for that.

“I'm back oh God I'm sorry I'm sorry guys someone can pay you another 500 I'd be quiet for that”

QuoteLauren Chen explains she changed her YouTube handle from "Roaming Millennial" to her real name because older conservatives at in-person events were confused by the screen name.

“I started doing in-person events and with a lot of older people and they were really weirded out by a screen name they did not understand”

ControversyExtended debate between Jasmine and Brian on promiscuity statistics (GSS data). Jasmine argues access to hookup culture does not translate to behavior. Brian argues women are more promiscuous by capability. Jasmine dissects his logic: missing bridging premise.

“you're missing the middle so premise two would have to be women are acting on this accessibility therefore women are more promiscuous you don't have that second premise”

QuoteHaley reveals her husband is a dedicated Eve Online player with spreadsheets, fleet meetings, and post-fleet debriefs.

“my husband is a pretty dedicated Eve player... he has spreadsheets out and they have meetings about it and then like post fleet meetings”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Show Announcements

Brian opens from Santa Barbara, CA. Recovering from illness. Hurricane and earthquake (5.5) in area; 8 guests flaked. Guests introduce themselves: Jasmine Jafar (28yo OnlyFans/attorney), Shia (26yo model/hotel), Haley (20yo flight instructor/UCSB), Lauren Chen (29yo Blaze TV/TPUSA). Emily Rainey (26yo OnlyFans/social media) joins ~24min in. Politics round: Jasmine = libertarian-left, Shia = apolitical, Haley = fairly progressive-left, Lauren Chen = right-wing/conservative, Madison = moderate/slightly right-leaning.

OnlyFans & Adult Content

Extended discussion of Jasmine's career pivot from attorney to OnlyFans (6-figure monthly income vs 6-figure annual as lawyer). Family background: Iranian immigrant parents, both sister and mom are lawyers. Parents initially disowned her for months before reconciling. Don't-ask-don't-tell policy with family now. Lauren Chen argues adult content not healthy for society; wants stricter age restrictions on platforms. Shia and Emily also do OnlyFans. Discussion of impact on future relationships (Jasmine says it won't affect her dating prospects with liberal men).

Political Leanings & Values Alignment in Dating

Brian asks panel about political leanings and whether they matter in dating. Jasmine: only dates liberal men; would not date conservative. Lauren Chen: right-wing/conservative, shares values with conservative husband. Haley: fairly progressive-left. Madison: moderate/slightly right-leaning. Jasmine argues politics reflect values alignment.

Feminist Debate: Workforce, Gender Roles, and Equality

Extended debate primarily between Jasmine Jafar and Lauren Chen with Brian moderating. Topics: women in workforce, happiness studies (DINKs vs parents), loneliness epidemic, social media's role in disconnection. Jasmine argues correlation/causation issues in blaming women's workforce participation for loneliness. Lauren and Brian argue meaningful connections have declined.

Male Selective Service / Draft Debate

Debate on whether women should register for the draft. Jasmine argues draft is not a relevant issue in 2023 and would abolish it entirely. Brian argues men's mandatory selective service registration is a real legal burden (felony + federal benefit disqualification for failure to register). Lauren Chen proposes service guaranteeing citizenship model (Starship Troopers-style). Chat suggests mandatory 2-year service for all. Discussion of Ukraine as example of wartime male conscription. Jasmine muted twice via viewer donations during this segment.

Reproductive Rights & Child Support

Discussion of men's reproductive rights (or lack thereof). Jasmine argues biology explains the asymmetry (child in woman's body). Brian argues legal paternal surrender and financial obligations post-birth are inequitable. Discussion of Roe v. Wade reversal. Lauren Chen raises mandatory paternity testing proposal and child support transparency. Panel generally agrees child support should be tracked/dedicated to child.

Male Emotional Vulnerability

Panel asked if men crying or being emotional would change romantic feelings. Emily: loves emotional men, boyfriend is large man who cries (makes her fall more in love). Haley: vulnerability makes her feel she created safe space; net positive. Lauren Chen: attractive if contrasted with confidence; dislikes men who cry regularly. Shia: uncomfortable with excessive emotion from anyone. Brian's World of Warcraft hypothetical: man crying over losing loot roll in-game. Lauren notes husband rages about Eve Online with spreadsheets and post-fleet meetings.

Dating Norms: Who Pays, Who Asks

Round-table discussion on first date bill splitting. Jasmine: person who asks should pay (expects man to pay if he asked her; she would pay if she asked a man). Shia: fine splitting separately. Emily: would not object and would sometimes offer to pay whole bill. Lauren Chen: fine splitting, did pay for dates when single. Madison: would love man to pay but fine either way. Brian argues men are default initiators and therefore bear both asking and paying burdens — inconsistency with Jasmine's egalitarian positions elsewhere.

Attractiveness Ratings & Self-Assessment

Discussion triggered by Brian on utility of 1-10 scale. Jasmine argues scale is juvenile and subjective (cites cultural variations in beauty standards, Statue of Aphrodite). Brian argues self-awareness is important especially for women to avoid delusional dating expectations. Lauren argues someone out there will find you beautiful but reality-checking matters. Emily says her self-assessment fluctuates day to day. Haley notes uniqueness of individual preferences.

Body Count, Promiscuity Stats, and Pair Bonding

Extended debate on body count and promiscuity. Jasmine argues lifetime body count does not correlate with marriage likelihood (cites studies). Brian disputes using 2018 GSS data showing 1-in-3 men under 30 sexless vs 1-in-6 women. Jasmine counters with 2021/2022 GSS data showing women more sexless. Brian argues women have more access to hookup culture therefore are more promiscuous by capability; Jasmine disputes that access translates to behavior. Lauren Chen argues correlation between body count and pair bonding risk. Debate on whether hookup culture is overrepresented in manosphere discourse.

Firearms Ownership in a Partner

Final round question: would you date a man who legally owns a firearm? Jasmine: yes, no issue. Emily: yes, provides security. Lauren Chen: yes, husband has several. Haley: context-dependent; hesitant about urban setting but could accept. Madison: fine. Brian's home-invasion scenario sparks extended discussion with Haley defending non-firearm deterrence options. Lauren Chen notes UK/US difference in home-invasion rates attributed to firearm ownership.

Transcript

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Jasmine Jafarage and occupation go ahead my name is Jasmine Jafar I 28 and I am an only fans creat and a licensed attorney when you say licensed so you

Brian Atlaspass the bar yes which state I don't like to say okay I could tell you off air but just for privacy reasons cuz I'm still a member yeah I'm still a member

Jasmine Jafarof a bar in some some State yes so I'm a member of the bar and I could represent you in that state as an attorney but I don't practice right now in the sense of

Shiait's not part of my day-to-day sure yeah okay I'm Shia I'm 26 and I'm a model and I also work in a hotel I'm Haley I'm 20 I work as a

Haleyflight instructor and I'm a student at UCSB studying geographical Information Systems flight instructor so you know how to fly that's correct I teach other people how to fly do you own a aircraft

Brian AtlasI do a little one you own an aircraft yeah it's the family airplane what the the family airplane okay what uh what's

Brian Atlasis it a Cessna that's correct it's a 172 1981 it's really cute a 19 it's from ' 81 yep the ones I fly every day at work are even older wow okay how long have

Haleyyou been flying maybe 3 or four years at this point do you also own a horse no but person I used to uh Fox Hunt regularly Fox Hunt yeah like the old English Sport with hounds and

Brian Atlassenting and such I've been to Ireland for it and yeah it's PR fun W you went to Ireland yeah to foxes yeah in the winter too

Brian Atlasthat's how dedicated I am wow okay uh and are you wanting to go into Aviation as a career or yeah that's the plan right now you want to fly commercial or what yeah Airlines would be would be the

Haleyend goal they they make decent money right yeah pretty good and right now they're such a pilot shortage it's the right time to get into it so you want to fly like a

Brian Atlas747 well probably a 787 but yeah is that is that like the nicer one that's coming out is it big yeah it's a jumbo jet yeah I like the transatlantic stuff what do

Haleyyou think about like the uh hyp what is it coming uh like they're redoing the Concord you know what I'm talking about well there's reason the Concord failed in the first place and I don't think that they're going to be able to fix those problems what what's is it

HaleyHypersonic is that what it's called Hypersonic flight yeah I thought they were the I think American Airlines is trying to reintroduce you know I don't know why cuz the noise issue of the Sonic Boom is

Haleyyou can't go you have to be over the ocean it's and also they're not very efficient like you you can't make that much money you can go really fast yeah like short flight right yeah it's cool

Lauren Chenbut it's not very profitable all right uh what about you uh my name is Lauren I am 29 and a tpusa contributor as well as a Blaze TV host

Madisonand YouTuber all right welcome you said 29 correct Okay Madison my name is Madison I am 18 years old I'm

Madisonthe secretary to Kiki on the whatever podcast and I'm a host at a bar as well as a student at Santa Bar City College studying business I

Brian Atlaschanged okay welcome everybody so we're going to go around the table once more what is your current relationship status are you single talking stage situationship Friends with Benefits

Brian Atlasrelationship married polycule sex cult uh uh also how long have you been single if you're single and what's your longest relationship ever go ahead so I am single I've been single since November

Shiaof 2020 um and my longest relationship was around 4 years um I'm single I've been single since last December and my longest

Haleyrelationship was sevenish months I have a boyfriend and my longest relationship was about a year I'm married and my longest relationship

Madisonis uh with my husband we have our 7eventh anniversary coming up in October all right I'm taken I'm in a very committed relationship with my boyfriend currently 11 months almost 12 and this is my

Brian Atlaslongest relationship your current relationship you said is that your uh one-year one no this one's only been s or 8 months did

Brian Atlasyou take him up on flight does he fly too no he doesn't what but we've been flying a bit what's that always sunny joke like taking someone on a boat because of the

Brian Atlasimplication is that the same with Aviation like if you take someone up to fly because of the implication you know you know I have not heard that you don't know don't know okay all right there's

Brian Atlasso I guess not you'd have to be familiar with the reference okay um had the first time you ever took him up did he squeal was there any squealing from the

Haleyboyfriend he didn't stop smiling so oh he was stoked he was very excited would it be would it be like a turnoff for you had he been terrified yes and the previous boyfriend was a little scared

Haleyand he only went flying once and didn't last much longer after that so it's a deal breaker for you if your partner isn't well it's keen on flying it's not that scary I don't

Brian Atlasknow you're the I mean you're the pilot so yeah if they can't trust me I mean that's going to be a problem but in like a little small dingy

Haleyaircraft you know yeah but I'm this is what I do for work it's yeah okay very cool it's not like I'm just some Rando off the street here word well you kind

Brian Atlasof are but uh no literally in this case all right so uh Jasmine you're single yes but you you shoot with a guy correct cuz you make content that's true okay

Jasmine Jafarbut you're not in a I guess since you said Friends with Benefits I guess it would be a friends with benefit situation okay depending on how you're going to Define that and so

Jasmine Jafarjust going back to your career so you are a licensed attorney however you don't practice because you do only fans yeah so I quit my job at my firm last

Jasmine JafarApril I want to say so I could focus on my only fans career and I'm very happy with that decision what's the uh kind of money comparatively speaking that you're

Jasmine Jafarmaking compared to being an attorney so attorneys like six figures a year only fans is six figures a month so quite a difference you make six figures a month yes mid six figures low six like most

Brian Atlaslow usually okay oh okay now why cuz I mean being an attorney I think it's a fairly uh well esteemed

Brian Atlascareer why did you you you just you're self-described 30 fo lawyer and you also said I was just too sexy to be a lawyer true in

Jasmine Jafaryour bio huge natural gcups I supposed to do much more profitable jealous okay

Brian Atlasum so you were recently on uh fresh and Fit I was and you got into quite a back and forth with my what was the big argument that you guys

Jasmine Jafargot into about I think we argued about everything like I was talking the whole time that was one of the issues other people had so we got into quite a bit his views are a lot more radical than

Brian Atlasyours so I kind of disagree with him on pretty much everything so well yeah I think you guys touched on body count quite a bit did There's and then also just you felt

Brian Atlasthat I shouted you guys out I said you guys are more profession did you catch that I I don't like to talk poorly I but uh I guess thank you for the shout out although you were kind of throwing them

Brian Atlasunder the bus in so doing but they deserve it oh God okay don't get me into trouble here all right um so uh the big thing though that I saw that you got into an argument about was

Brian Atlasuh you know there's a debate between you two that because of that you do only fans that's going to have a negative impact on your future relationship prospects

Jasmine Jafaryes so I don't think it will disagree agree I don't think it'll yeah I don't think it'll impact my future dating prospects that may not be the case for everybody the kind of guys I like to date whether now or before I started an

Jasmine Jafaronly fans wouldn't be the kind of guys who have an issue with it the one area that may be impacted is I want to keep doing BG content so the kind of guy like wouldn't have an issue with me doing only fans but it is fair maybe if he

Jasmine Jafardoesn't want to be on my only fans so that's something I might have to navigate but the only fans on its own won't be well what's the type of guy that you want to date somebody who shares my values and doesn't value

Jasmine Jafarthings like sexual Purity or correlate modesty whether it's digital or in person with morality somebody who you know liberal shares my values and that's pretty common especially in Academia I

Jasmine Jafarmean Academia leans left you don't find people even like conservatives um they may have personal moral quals with it but they're not like at least in lawyer world they're not like 304 like they're not they don't

Brian Atlasengage like your audience does so you want to date a more liberal guy yeah always and do you consider yourself to be liberal yeah libertarian left probably Center left depends on the

Brian Atlasissue okay uh well let's actually go around the table cuz I think politics is very uh intimately tied to some degree to dating exactly because obviously you want to be with someone who shares your

Brian Atlasvalues uh what's everyone's like political leanings whether you're left right moderate apolitical I think I'm apolitical so is

Lauren Chenthat where you're just not political pretty much yeah so a political uh fairly Progressive left yeah fairly Progressive okay well I I introduced myself as you know working with tpusa and Blaze TV which if you're

Madisonfamiliar with them I don't I don't think it surprise anyone to know that I am right-wing okay um I would say I'm pretty moderate a little more right leaning just because

Brian AtlasI grew up with my family just naturally being pretty traditional so ties okay um so we can definitely dive into some of

Brian Atlasthe more politics related issues later on in the show but uh so I think one of the things that you were talking about is you won't have an issue getting a guy

Jasmine Jafarwho's a lawyer is that your type a lawyer not really I dated a guy in law school but but besides that they're not they can be I like guys that are smart I like guys that I feel like are on the

Jasmine Jafarsame level as me intellectually mentally and those things but like for instance before I even started doing this so before like two years ago I didn't have an Instagram or anything like I had no digital footprint and there was one guy

Jasmine Jafarthat I like went on one date with and he made a comment like oh it's really nice you don't have an Instagram cuz girls that look like you are usually showing off their bodies on Instagram I ghosted him after that like I'm just not into that kind of

Jasmine Jafarthinking at all so when I say what did he say he said oh it's nice you don't have an Instagram because usually girls are showing off their bodies on Instagram so I didn't have an Instagram and a lot of guys thought that was cool but I care why you thought that was cool

Jasmine Jafardo you think it's cool cuz I'm just more present that I want to live life that I don't really spend my time on social media that's cool but if you like that I don't have an Instagram because I'm not showing my body off even when I wasn't I

Brian Atlashad no interest in men like that then or now so a guy wanting a girl who has limited or no social media presence or isn't posting revealing photos that to

Brian Atlasyou is a deal breaker May a deal breaker absolutely okay and that was then and now so do you why do you think men might care

Jasmine Jafarabout um thing there's a multitude of reasons all of which are deal breakers so he could just have more religious or conservative social values which I don't and that's never going to work um he could be insecure he could be

Jasmine Jafarterritorial so there's not a single reason I could think of that I would not consider to be a deal breaker okay so that's just for me now maybe different

Jasmine Jafarfor other people so your perfect guy right my perfect guy on this one this one thing he doesn't want he wouldn't be my perfect guy like

Jasmine Jafarthat's literally the foundation of what you're looking for first is people who share your values so it he couldn't even begin to be my perfect guy if sure well

Brian Atlaslet's go around the the table on that so would you have an issue dating a guy would it be a deal breaker as it is for

Shiaher for a guy to not want you to be posting revealing photos on social media I mean it's kind of tricky for me now um

ShiaI've recently gotten into modeling again and um I usually do swimwear and so my body is posted a lot um so if he has a

Shiaproblem I don't think it would be as strong in a deal breaker but it would probably be a topic of conversation quite frequently between us cuz sure that's part of it okay that's not

Haleysomething I typically post that's just not what my Instagram looks like so it's never something that's been an issue and your Instagram is oh hold on bender the offender donated $99 he thank

Brian Atlasyou Bender one of the topics that she debated myON on is the corn industry is ethical I can do that again uh maybe touch on it later but hey Bender good to see you in the chat man thank you appreciate it uh your

HaleyInstagram's private correct that's correct okay all right it's not that exciting I used to race mountain bikes so it's mostly pictures of that Aviation

Lauren Chenphotos yeah lots of airplanes too okay uh Lauren your thoughts um it wouldn't be a deal breaker if my husband said don't post procket of photos of yourself I don't do that and I think that's I

Lauren Chenmean tacitly our understanding that I wouldn't do that my husband is I would say even more socially conservative than I am and uh I I think it's true what you said about value so for he and I that's something we share so it's not an

Madisonissue I don't really think it's a deal breaker either I mean you model so I guess for every other model that's like a whole different story but I think it's perfectly reasonable for someone that

Shiawant that so what you're saying is neither of you two could date Jonah Hill no I don't think Jonah Hill would want to date me I think type and the feelings Mutual yeah

Brian Atlasno I believe our remaining guest has arrived Nick if Nick if you want to go ahead and grab him uh we have one last person joining

Brian Atlasus uh if you're just tuning in uh hurricane so it's uh and earthquake yeah there's also an earthquake guys oh that's right we should have pulled it up

Brian Atlasum here a shoot that's what I forgot to uh do well when Nick is back we can pull up but basically the path of the hurricane just barely missed uh Santa

Brian AtlasBarbara so we're so far doing okay but uh so okay major deal breaker yes but you used to not post revealing

Jasmine Jafarphotos and the guy liked that yeah that was a deal breaker so he liked what you were doing he liked so yeah a few years ago I was just a

TTS Readerlawyer um oh hold on just a sec donated $99 men don't want women who show themselves off online it shows you have no self-respect or that you feel like

Jasmine Jafaryou have no other value than your body no it shows that you don't have respect for me or that you think I don't have any other value than my body that's not how I feel we don't want women who uh it shows

Brian Atlasyou have no self-respect or that feel like you have no other value than your body um I have tons of value to myself he may not think so but who

Brian Atlascares what he thinks uh his name is what was his name whatever um user 227 something yeah by the way guys my voice is all up because I was uh sick

Madisonso yeah it's uh I have a question for Jasmine um what made you kind of like transform from your attorney job to just

Jasmine Jafardoing only fans so I guess I got to go back to like the reason I was an attorney I grew up in a Iranian immigrant household so they have like really stringent academic expectations on us it's like the traditional doctor

Jasmine Jafarlawyer engineer path my mom's a lawyer my sister's like everyone in my family is a lawyer so I kind of was it's not like I was doing it because I was like I've always wanted to be a lawyer it's what I've wanted to do since I was a little girl I'm justed into it like book

Jasmine Jafarsmart and so I knew it wouldn't be like too difficult to become one so when it was getting closer to graduation I was like everyone else was really excited to graduate and I was like this isn't what I want to do but I thought I didn't have a choice so it was actually when I was

Jasmine Jafarstudying for the bar that I just started the only fans not knowing that it would turn into what it is and then when I saw that it could definitely be a career for me it was like a no-brainer so more time money happiness Freedom how did you like

Jasmine JafarDiscover it cuz you said you like didn't really have any socials like you never really posted things yeah so I heard of it in 20 like 20 when the pandemic was was happening and um so I heard of it but it was just not something I thought

Jasmine JafarI could do CU I didn't have any social media I actually had a friend in law school who one too and she started it first I was like okay if she can do it maybe I can do it so that's kind of how it started what was your first

Jasmine Jafarimpression of hearing it because I thought it was cool like I was like cool way for people to make money okay yeah especially women

Jasmine Jafarsure okay all right yeah okay mhm okay so you're whole family's lawyers uh my dad's an engineer but like my sister and

Jasmine Jafarmy mom are lawyers and like a my cousin mom and my sister before anyone ask she's a lawyer she's a normal lawyer not only fans lawyer she she does she actually still doesn't cuz people ask

Brian Atlasthat no my sister's a goodie two shoes do you have any brothers no no brothers just a just one sister one sister okay what did what was your parents reaction to you starting uh only fans

Jasmine Jafarthey were pissed they were really mad um I told them myself and they didn't talk to me for a few months they knew before I got my firm position and when I got that they kind of texted

Jasmine Jafarme like okay it's really good you got this job now you can quit the whatever and I was like no so there was like actually a moment where I had like an ultimatum so I'm really close to my dad and when he found out now I know

Jasmine Jafarthey had like some family meeting because my dad is never this like like well spoken and so he called me and he was just like super calm he's like and I was super both emotionally dependent on

Jasmine Jafarmy parents and at the time financially so they supported me through law school I did get a full ride to to my school so they supported me with all the other finances and stuff and my dad had actually recently bought a house and um

Jasmine Jafarfor me to like live in and stuff and he calls me and he's like you you you know what this is a terrible thing you're doing you don't have to do this this is only for girls who are from those kind of families like all of those

Jasmine Jafartraditional stereotypes you get with like the adult content industry and he's like okay if you stop now it's fine like if you stop now it's fine you can keep the money or I think you should donate

Jasmine Jafarit to charity but just stop now go go down the right path and that was the first time in my life that I was just like I remember being on the phone I was just like no and they were like so

Jasmine Jafarconfused cuz that's not something that I ever normally did and that's just so our people in our culture aren't raised like that and we don't normally do that so they were pissed they didn't talk to me for a few months but now they got over it

Jasmine Jafarso my dad actually set up my ring light in my pleas when did you reveal how long ago did you reveal to your parents oh like within a few months of me starting it because we were so close that I wasn't going to be good at keeping the

Jasmine Jafarsecret I was still using like my Dad's credit card for everything and now I have my own money and it was just going to it was going to come out anyway okay are you back on good terms yes so

Jasmine Jafarit's kind of now we have kind of like a don't ask don't tell policy at least with my dad with my like they know but they're just like okay don't talk to me about it and then with my mom I'm always like trying to debate her and get it so she actually is afraid to talk about it

Jasmine Jafarwith me because she knows I'm just going to be ready to go okay you have a problem with sex work let's hear it kind of thing so she kind of just does a note don't ask don't tell kind of thing too

Emily Raineyokay well welcome to the panel um hello let's have you uh name age occupation please yes hi I'm Emily Rainey I'm 26

Emily Raineyand I do social media and only fans relationship s yes um I'm in a relationship how long

Emily Raineyum actually yesterday was 4 years since we met but we became official November four years ago so okay yeah all right welcome thank you and you uh did you say

Brian Atlasyour career social media and only fans okay oh all right yeah uh are you and your father on good terms we are so me and my father are

Jasmine Jafarsuper close like super close he spoiled me my whole life so he he couldn't actually stay mad at me he lasted about 3 or 4 months but that was like the longest he'd ever been mad at me and now

Brian Atlashe's just like all right and now he just lexed me on saving the money you know sure yeah uh you do only fans did you R reveal to your parents that you uh make

Emily Raineyadult content um well they know I do only fans I haven't necessarily revealed that I do adult content but I'm pretty sure they have a good idea

Emily Raineyyou haven't come out of the closet to them yeah like I've never explicitly said yeah I mean I've said like oh yeah like I post like topless

Emily Raineybut I've never said like anything past that I think they suspect it but I honestly can you just scoot your microphone a little bit to the left oh

Brian Atlasthis way yeah perfect good okay well welcome uh Lauren what are your thoughts on uh adult content do you think adult

Lauren Chencontent should be banned um banned is uh all my libertarian followers are going to be like no it shouldn't be banned I think it is not healthy for individuals or for

Lauren Chensociety whether it should be banned by the government uh I tend to be more small government so outright banned I I I could have a you know conversation with someone who agrees with it being

Lauren Chenbanned and I could maybe have some common ground I'm at the very least in favor of um very restrict age restrictions like we're beginning to see some states introduce and uh I I just think that you know if if you're proman

Lauren Chenwhich I am um you know it's amazing that you're doing so well on only fans but I think it's important that we have a conversation about the majority of women who are not doing so well on only fans and who do regret uh you know participating in different sex work uh

Lauren Chenbecause it's any I feel like anytime we talk about only fans as content creators it's usually focusing on the people who are making millions and I think that incentivizes a lot of women to get into it just for the money when odds are there's not going to be any money for

Jasmine Jafarthem and it it may be something they're regretting so I agree with you that there are things people should look at before starting only fans there are consequences to it and you're right it's people who are just trying to jump into it for a quick Buck to make money I

Jasmine Jafardon't recommend that those girls start it I was really lucky because when I started I had this whole other career in front of me so I didn't do anything I was uncomfortable with I was kind of like okay if I make money like whatever but people who are like I need money let

TTS Readerme start it I don't think that you should especially if you're younger yeah I agree with you there didn't they do some band oh hold on Wy coot oated

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Jasmine Jafarplaying field I'd be c i I don't do divorces but I'd be weary of that that sounds like inadequate disclosure which could throw out a prenup

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Jasmine Jafardidn't listen to her parents why would she listen to me your response to Bender um if if he's sitting across from me wondering why would she listen to me then yeah we're not

Brian Atlascompatible he should get up and leave there you have it absolutely there you have it Bender uh TJ just to address your uh chat here that came in

Brian Atlasuh offshore asset protection I think that's you have to be pretty wealthy for

Brian Atlasto become worth it I think to like put your assets offshore that's usually like people that have

Brian Atlaswhat mid seven fig what looks like your jats your parents M no have some offshore it also depends on how you make your money I mean if you're making money the United

Lauren ChenStates you have to pay Uncle Sam like if you're if you have offshore revenue streams then you would maybe be able to structure things in terms of like shell corporations but the US has worldwide

Brian Atlastaxation so the IRS will get you wherever you are I guess but uh taxation is theft oh based okay there you have it

Brian Atlasum but uh yeah is it's pretty complicated I thought like when you're in billionaire status that's when you're thinking about

Jasmine Jafarmoving your offshore I don't know a good divorce strategy because if you had a prenup I think that would be considered an adequate disclosure and that would throw out your prenup I'm I'm

Jasmine Jafarnot 100% sure like I never did divorce but do you believe in prenups yeah I 100% believe in prenups I think everyone should get a preup are you going to have a prenup 100% I don't even I don't want

Jasmine Jafarto get married okay um but I would maybe get married for the social economic whatever benefits there are and but I wouldn't get married in the sense of we're going to be together forever till death do was part like I I'm not okay in favor of that but if I were to get the

Jasmine Jafaractual legal marriage I would 100% have a prenom whether they made more money or I made more money I mean I guess if they made more money and they're like whatever then sure but uh Jasmine can I

Jasmine Jafarhave you read this chat please absolutely if any of you idiots in the chat sub to these o these girls o I will find out and shame you publicly this

Jasmine Jafarlawyer wants a simp cuck beta as a guy who has no masculine traits that kisses her sloppy forts after a day of shooting worst decision was leaving La for o oh that was hard to read the grammar and

Jasmine Jafarspelling in your in these audiences like it's not even like sixth grade proficient but sure publicly shame people go for it you seem very happy okay there you have it we have

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Brian Atlasword I am fervently anti uh labia and on on that note actually plastic surgery not a

Brian Atlasfan okay you got any plastic surgery Jasmine no but I have filler Jasmine no these literally these are real no I'm not talking there I believe you there but where do you have lip filler yeah

Jasmine Jafarbut that's not plastic surgery that's filler okay cosmetic yes I have do it fall under cosmetic surgery I have filler in my face is that all you do you

Jasmine Jafarhave no I just told you lipo no Jasmine don't lie to me no I've looked like this since I was like literally people who went to middle school and

Jasmine Jafarhigh school with me can tell can tell you this is I was known in middle school and high school as a girl with the huge tits and the tiny waist so unless I got it when I was like 13 cuz that's when my

Jasmine Jafarreputation started as a girl with the huge tits yeah and they're my tits are clearly real you guys are all two clicks away from figuring that out you should go check it

Jasmine Jafarout people that are natural in the world like that yeah I'm pretty sure what what what you want to see no I don't want don't

Jasmine Jafarbut but I have your Twitter though yeah you sure you didn't get the like for the Twitter but I did sleep I sleep in a corset a lot and that's

Brian Atlashelped but I've always had a really like look at my rib cage like this is just where my rib cage is all right okay all right if you say so P Pico Stein thank

Brian Atlasyou very much for your very generous donation uh much appreciated uh anybody body else here ever considered doing plastic surgery so I've actually had two plastic surgeries but they were

Haleyreconstructive after Mount by crash on my face so you see how the side of my lip is a little lopsided and then I also have a scar on the side of my nose so

HaleyI've had some I've had some surgeries for that but not just but to to fix a uh not for purely cosmetic not purely

Haleycosmetic but you know I was I had him do a few extra things while I was there okay all right thank I'm not against it like I've done cool sculpting

Lauren Chenbut that's not I've had filler under my eye I get asked about that all the time um I don't want to hide it but I also don't want to be the person where it's like you have to get it like I don't want to be promoting it but I also don't

Lauren Chenfeel like I should hide it so it's kind of it's hard to I would definitely like if I have kids I'm going to get a mommy make over like the next day so okay yeah there you have it folks

TTS Readerthere you have it we have uh oh San Diego Fuego donated $100 hey brickson love the show I'm 21

TTS Readeryears old and I go to UC San Diego my girlfriend is a feminist last night we had an argument she kept talking about male privilege question for the panel do

TTS Readeryou think male privilege and all white privilege exists yeah we can talk about that go ahead Jasmine do I think it exists yes male privilege yeah White Privilege both yeah especially if we're

Jasmine Jafarlooking at it worldwide is there what about female privilege yeah I think gender and equality can go both ways okay yeah I agree I mean there's even pretty privilege there's like almost anything

Haleycan be a privilege in some way yeah true I agree with that and I Al also think it's important to uh determine the situation it's in like for in my line of work there's so few women that it

Haleyabsolutely male privilege is super strong um but you know that definitely is not the case across the board in you you mean in aviation in aviation male privileg is pronounced in

Haleyaviation yeah it's hard cuz there's so few women I think only it's maybe 4% four to 6% of commercial pilots are women um and

Haleybecause of that of course companies are always trying to diversify so there's always a lot of push to just hire women regardless of their ability level and because of that generally men in the

Haleyindustry try to typically treat women um as if they're not as skilled be just because of how companies tend to hire people based on diversity hire type

Haleysituations and because of that um men are definitely treated better and thought of as better Pilots across the board uh we go question though do you

Jasmine Jafarthink do you think there's like so if there's a discrepancy in the workforce do you think it's always explained by sexism no well partially right so I mean I Richard Reeves's book just really explained this and I don't remember who

Jasmine Jafarthe researchers he referenced was but like for instance we often hear that women like people and boys like things and that may be true on average but they did a study where I think there's like 5 to 15% female engineers and like a small

Jasmine Jafarpercentage of nurses but they did a study that if there was complete gender equality and people were free to choose whatever profession they want it'd be about 30% male nurses and 30% female

TTS Readerengineers so it's showing that yes in general Alvin Sam donated $99 Jasmine it's laughable and hypocritical that you have ethical

TTS Readerdiscernment about the corn industry but you cannot accept ethical discernment from Men about female modesty which is what our mothers and grandmothers expect out of a woman our grandmothers and

Jasmine Jafarmothers our great-grandmothers were racist like there's a we've obviously evolved and if you guys want to get into a discussion on ethics and where you get your ethics we can that'll be deep a

Jasmine Jafardeep philosophical um conversation but we can get it we can do it if you want I think you were oh yeah so it would be around like 30% yeah 30% um

Jasmine Jafarfemale engineers and like 30% male nurses or something around that don't call me on the exact percentage so yes there would still be more male um Engineers than female Engineers but there would be more female Engineers than there are now so it's not all

Brian Atlasnature and it's not all nurture it's it's a mix but I've I've read or heard of other studies where or for example in certain Scandinavian

Brian Atlascountries where they've done the most to try to equalize things but between the genders uh you actually see more pronounced differences in what context like it this was just a study done when

Jasmine Jafarit comes to the types of employment that people pursue I like I said you'll still see a difference on average but how large that difference is in what well like for I think uh for example countes

Brian Atlasthat are perhaps a bit more uh engulfed that that have higher rates of poverty uh it's actually you're more likely to see women become engineers in those kind of uh societies so you're saying in in

Lauren Chencountries that have more pro-social policies maybe women are able people are able to get Buy on a one um person income and maybe they if you want to jump in I think I'm familiar with your the study that you're talking about I know Jordan Peterson references it so

Lauren Chenthe Scandinavian countries they're probably best known for being very Progressive socially they have a lot of like Pro equality and egalitarian policies when we look at their economies they're actually more gender segregated

Lauren Chenthan economies like the US in terms of women gravitating more toward things like early childhood education or Child Care men gravitating toward things like in the stem field so there's less gender

Lauren Chenequality displayed real world in job professions when we have more I guess personal freedom and agency uh I don't know the study that you're referencing though and how it was conducted James W

Jasmine JafarI I'm it's in Richard Reeves's book um and he's talked about it before like on Michael sartin's podcast too so that was that study I also would think in countries like that there are more Pro pro- family policies that allow people to get by on like a onep person income

Jasmine Jafarso I think it would make sense that there would be a lot of more women maybe in those societies who can stay home and choose to stay home because one part person has to or unless you want to um pay for child care um stay home and

Lauren Chenmaybe in general women are more likely to make that choice any response I I don't know the rates are for like I guess women in those countries choosing to be stay-at-home others but it's interesting

Lauren Chenbecause those like very pro- family uh policies do exist in those Scandinavian countries and I often hear them brought up when it comes to things like in the US there's no guaranteed maternity leave

Lauren Chenand the the population uh I guess it's it's in decline because of the the birth rate I think it's 1.6 in the US and obviously replacement is 2.1 so any time people bring this up uh it's very common to say well it's because we don't have

Lauren Chenpro- family policies of course people can't have kids it's too expens ensive we we don't have child care we don't have mat leave or paternity leave the it's interesting because the countries that do have those pro-social policies Pro family policies they actually

Lauren Chensometimes even have lower birth rates than the United States uh so it's not necessarily the case that oh if we just give people more government benefits or guarantees when they have a family they'll be encouraged to have a family

Jasmine Jafarum which is I didn't necessarily say that I think one of the reasons the from what I've read that the birth rate is declining here is because we have less young young people teen pregnancies just adolescent risk behavior has just gone down in general less drunk driving less

Jasmine Jafarthat's also one of the reasons people are having less sex that you always point to men having less sex and women under 30 is because especially under 25 um is because people are getting married later they're starting families later

Brian Atlasthey're having kids later so that is also contributing to a lot of these stats word I don't really buy into this privilege concept though I don't believe

TTS Readerin male either way but you believe in female privilege oh for sure yeah Bron Ms donated $99 thank Jasmine is it heard you talk about how the size of your breasts will

TTS Readermake more money than being a lawyer one that is incorrect however despite that is money more important in your life than self-respect value and serving the community in better ways okay so no

Jasmine Jafarnothing is more important to me than my self-respect and my values but you don't share my values so they're my money is definitely more important than your values in your respect of me also it is definitely correct that you could make

Jasmine Jafarmore money doing this hold on just a sec can you read this actually it didn't come through me yeah do you think if a man buys something like a fleshy Pro which you would probably call a I don't

Jasmine Jafarknow what that word is machine diminishes a man's masculinity is there a double standard when it comes to societal acceptance of women buying sex toys compared to men oo a correct overall correct yeah we could talk we could talk about that um but what I was

Jasmine Jafarsaying is like my my job as a lawyer when I was doing a lot of estate planning was like I was helping rich people avoid paying estate tax like you think that's a better help to the community I mean there's just like this pressure on sex workers like oh my God

Jasmine Jafarwhat are you doing to help the community when a lot of other jobs some attorneys You could argue aren't doing much to help the community either do you think you could create like a discount code

Jasmine Jafarfor people that are low earners for your content uh I keep I keep my price is really low it's only $6.99 I could be charging a lot more especially with the amount of content I have on there I also

Brian Atlasgo live once a week completely naked so do you think there should be like a government the government should you know in the same way that there's like SNAP benefits like Cal fresh like uh

Brian Atlasfood benefits like maybe like a monthly allowance for um I think if we were to monetize all porn then yes but it's it's not all monetized yet though so

Brian Atlasgovernment funded yeah if if we monetize all porn sure I'm kidding let's not do that um okay so there was another one that came through that we were trying to read um

Brian Atlashold on let me pull that one back up uh he was talking about use of uh uh adult toys and he says that there's a double

Brian Atlasstandard when it comes to social societal acceptance between men and women on that uh let me ask this let me frame it like

Brian Atlasthis would it be a uh turnoff for you if you found out that like a potential boyfriend a guy that you're going to

Brian Atlasdate he had some toys that were made from men for male use like what like a Fleshlight type of no that wouldn't

Jasmine Jafarbother me the only thing that would bother me if it was like a toy like that indicated he had a fetish that I didn't have and that fetish was really Central to his sexuality like I just like me and my partners to be really sexually

Jasmine Jafarcompatible so if he had a lot of like butt toys it's not my thing to engage in that with guys I don't think there's a problem with it but I wouldn't find us to be super sexually compatible which

Shiathat would be my issue okay um I wouldn't have a problem at all um I usually date people that live far away from me so I understand that everyone has needs and you know your

Shiapartner's not there to fulfill them um I think I would be a little taken aback if they tried to use it while I was there um especially like a flashlight I I

Haleydon't think I would see the point if I was there but no yeah I agree with that if I'm there then I would be a little bit weirded out by that like I would maybe feel like

Haleysomething was wrong with me or something like that but you know in general it's not a problem yeah I don't see it as a problem

Emily Raineyreally at all um I like personally want someone who is really sexually active and like wants to like explore different things so I just wouldn't mind at all I

Lauren Chenmean it's not like a real person so okay uh Lauren um well I think you're right that there is a double standard the way that Society views sex toys for men versus women I think we're at a a

Lauren Chenstage where women are very much encouraged to be you know embracing their own sexuality and things like that whereas at any time it comes up something to do with a man whether it be something like a flashlight they sh

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Madisonword okay uh Madison your take on the whole thing if uh Frankie was I think it's a little bit odd if you were um too have sex toys not only just men but like

Madisonwomen as well it's different if you're in like if you're in a relationship I understand why both of you would want sex toys maybe just spice it up a little bit but for the reason that also I think

Madisonsex toys like completely transform your like sensation of sex as well okay like the more you do utilize them

Brian Atlasword yeah I'm not opposed to uh spicing things up a little bit in the it's fine I'm fine with

Brian Atlasit okay all right um we've gotten a lot of chats that came through I forgot exactly where we were we were talking about male privilege and I came in with a hot take that I don't believe in only

Brian Atlasfemale privilege exists for you pretty much okay pretty much but uh no I mean I think when you when you look at privilege and this is maybe an

Brian Atlasinteresting take I think you need to look at the totality of somebody's circumstances to establish if they genuinely have privileges because like a male like I would argue upon birth men

Brian Atlaslike what male privilege do men have I mean they they have their genitals mutilated upon birth that doesn't strike me as a privilege um so depends on the so for instance if you want to be a

Jasmine Jafarleader and you want to be like in in politics or you want to hold any of these high-powered leadership positions those are usually occupied by men and there are a very small proportion of men

Jasmine Jafarit's an apex fallacy that well yeah I understand that there isn't like every man isn't up there but if that's what you want to do so it depends what we're talking about I also think there's plenty of um uh areas where men are falling behind or men are struggling

Jasmine Jafarsure but you it goes both ways so there for instance you talk about it all the time men can be more promiscuous that's a double standard and women get shamed for it women sex workers get shamed more than male sex workers I mean pick your

Jasmine Jafarissue and it can go one way or the other and we all have pril all of us that are sitting here all of you that are watching that have internet that have food you guys all have privilege privileges can come in so many forms but this oh go ahead Lauren sorry I I was

Lauren Chenjust going to say that I think you guys are both right where there's no such thing as being able to look at someone their immutable characteristics and say I know you have more or less privilege than me it really depends on the situation in some circumstances it might be more beneficial to be a female or a

Lauren Chenmale but I would say if we're talking just in terms of the legal system purely I would say that females tend to have more privileges because of things like you just mentioned diversity hiring when it comes to being a pilot I can't think

Lauren Chenof you know any law that currently exists where it's like oh you're a man you're more likely to get in we're going to put your resume to the top just because of that where I can think of many circumstances when that does apply to be being a female so I would agree

Jasmine Jafarthat there should be a push like we've pushed for women to get into stem jobs one of the things I'm a big proponent of is pushing men to get into more what like Rees calls heel jobs health education Administration literacy so I agree with you that there should be a

Jasmine Jafarpush um but the reason that that's not that hasn't been the case is because historically for a long time we've had a social system where men hold held the majority of the social political and economic power so in some ways like with

Madisoneducation We Are outpacing Men by a lot so we've kind of not only narrowed the Gap we've reversed it but it depends on the issue I agree with her I was going to say an example of male privilege would

Madisonbe like in the flight industry initially men were um more they're seen a l more men more in that industry that's what I'm trying to say

Jasmine Jafarbut it's also the factors that men were taking more risks to be in that industry like which is what I mean there's like a whole part of the manosphere that literally constantly uses the example like if your plane was clashing do you

Jasmine Jafarwant a male pilot or a female pilot like basically insinuating that female Pilots are not as competent as males and I think that's societal um that's societal stereotype is an example of male privilege people assuming that because

Lauren Chenyou're a woman you're not as competent of a pilot as a man but it's male privilege that I mean a a type of so-called male privilege that has only Arisen because females are getting jobs that they might otherwise not get so it's I I see what you're saying if you

Jasmine Jafarare currently a pilot you're going to be assumed to be more confident if you're a man because you are not a diversity hire I don't think that's the only reason people have always thought women were worse drivers so they think if she's a bad driver on the road then she's probably a bad driver as a pilot I don't

Jasmine Jafarthink it's just because everybody assumes You're A diversity higher I think people genuinely think women can't drive or women have worse spatial reasoning I mean that is true on in average though that we have worse spatial reasoning yeah but that but to

Jasmine Jafarto use an average and to stereotype an individual is is is the problem right so yes on average men maybe do would are more likely to be an engineer but if I look at you would be like she's definitely not an engineer because men on average are more likely to be an

Haleyengineer that would be a stupid way to think you wanted to come in um well I was going to say you know there definitely is an underlying issue um but I think University hires make it worse

Haleyfor women in many Industries not just Aviation and then also to your point about or women just naturally being worse spatial reasoners um I actually work in the cognitive geography Lab at

HaleyUCSB and I can tell you that that's uh not entirely true um there are a lot of exceptions to that and it's really more based on the individual for each person's spatial abilities and cognition

Lauren ChenI mean that's not entirely true like on in aggregate because that's I guess the psychometric testing usually shows that men tend to do better not that it's like every man is better there's big overlap I think with that so yeah you're right

Lauren Chenon average but there is a big overlap there's more Intergroup variation than Intergroup variation on that did you have more or no I mean I I wouldn't deny that it's just that there there are the average differences

Lauren Chenwhether even with IQ right we men and women have same average IQ but the variation among men is greater which is why you have more men at the tail ends right you have more male Geniuses and you have more male I mean the Gent way

Lauren Chento say it is people who perhaps do not Excel academically um but on average we are the same I could easily see that being the same with Matthew mcarthy donated

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Jasmine Jafarfamily I was so lost that entire I didn't get that got to give us some

Brian Atlascontext okay well and you brought up this uh this talking point that uh about in a

Brian Atlascatastrophic flight scenario how certain people would prefer a male pilot over a female pilot this is a manosphere talking point I mean didn't Andrew Tate famously say this and Andrew Tate did

Brian Atlassay it but I think he added I think you're omitting the other portion of that and he said well there are certain things that women I think women are better at uh than men are for example like child childcare related things yeah

Jasmine Jafarthis is exactly my point so I'm saying it cuts both ways these gender stereotypes cut both ways so he's biological basis for these stereotypes like I said there may be some biological basis but to believe that culture

Jasmine Jafarculture and socialization doesn't make an impact also is you don't think there's like a innate temperament there may be a slight like on average maybe yes but that's but there's also social

Jasmine Jafarand socialization and culture which is why you see men and women behave differently in different cultures so in in like Western culture we're a little more egalitarian but if you look at the East countries that are more in poverty

Jasmine Jafarmore war stricken those countries there are more rigid gender roles still so to believe that culture and socialization have no impact is just stupid right we're not all bi it's not all biolog

Jasmine Jafaranybody's making that argument though that there's no societal impact on people what do you well when you're saying that oh it's just innate that women are worse um as I didn't say that you're saying they said that I'm saying

Jasmine Jafarthat that's an example of them using gender stereotypes and that's fueling gender equality because they're saying oh I would rather have a male pilot because women are not as good at driving well a lot of Pilots if you're a female and you're going to be a pilot you're

Jasmine Jafarprobably actually just as good at driving as men you're not looking at everybody you're looking at the women who chose to be Pilots so I don't think that's a I would personally I don't have a gender preference if my plane is clashing on who's I have a question for

Brian Atlasyou and I I know you wanted to come in um I mean is there training for as a pilot do you get trained for Stress Management in like

Haleycatastrophic situations absolutely you and as a flight instructor part of what I'm responsible for teaching people is aeronautical decision making you know learning about hazardous attitudes and

Haleyhow to mitigate them and how to process and manage different stressful situations um we also do lots of inflight actual training simulated engine failures simulated engine fires