Men Make NO EFFORT?! What Do They Bring To The Table? HEATED DEBATE w/ Feminists! | Dating Talk #131
Date: 2024-01-31
Duration: 6h 12m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_01Jake(guest)
SPEAKER_03Ariana(guest)
SPEAKER_04Kayla(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_08Lily(guest)
SPEAKER_09Toia(guest)
SPEAKER_10Vanika(guest)
SPEAKER_11Shay(guest)
SPEAKER_12Katie(guest)
Key Moments
00:02:54
IntroGuest introductions begin. Kayla opens as first guest: tooth technician, 24, Joshua Tree CA.
“my name is Kayla I'm 24 years old I'm from Joshua Tree California and I am a tooth technician”
00:03:15
IntroToia introduces herself: 20yo UCSB economics student, Bay Area. Says she is "so single and so happy about it."
“hi I'm toia I'm a 20-year-old from the Bay Area I go to school here at UCSB and I'm a student”
00:03:16
IntroKatie introduces herself as non-monogamous/polyamorous with an overseas lover.
“my name is Katie I'm 29 I'm originally from Vermont and I work in child care”
01:34:24
Key MomentBrian states his personal rule: if he goes on a first date and is interested, all other men must be out of the picture before a second date.
“my personal standard on this is if I go on the first date with a girl and I'm interested in pursuing her all the other guys have to be a rap”
02:34:42
QuoteJake discloses that his own promiscuous past has "come back to bite" him with principled women.
“if I could take back time I'd probably be a little bit more frugal with it if I was your age”
03:09:06
OtherNaraj mock proposal moment: Brian puts a ring on Vanika's finger on-air. Vanika says she would consider marrying Naraj if he is willing to wait while she builds herself.
“he drove you here yes because my car broke... will you marry Naraj”
03:48:06
OtherToia reads her lengthy written list of partner requirements live on air, covering ~20+ detailed criteria.
“emotional and not afraid to admit their feelings existential and or philosophical interested in the world driven and ambitious...”
04:04:12
QuoteJake states his ideal woman must 'fear God', preferably be a virgin or very low body count, feminine, submissive, and want to have a big family.
“she has to fear God she has to be a Godly woman she has to not has to but preferably a virgin if not a very low body count with only Partners feminine submissive loyal and just wants to have a family and multiply”
04:07:24
OtherBrian reads out his detailed partner preference list on air — including preference for natural bodies, no plastic surgery, no big labia plasty, moderate looks, introversion, low body count.
“any race is fine but I do have a slight preference for white women... strong preference for no plastic surgery no fake tits no fake lips no BBL”
04:38:00
ControversyJake claims feminism is "the worship of the devil" and cites book Occult Feminism by Rachel Wilson.
“feminism is the worship of the devil... you can read a book called occult feminism by Rachel Wilson”
04:45:12
Key MomentKayla reads out Mallerie Millett quote on destroying the American family through promiscuity and homosexuality.
“why are we here today she asked to make a revolution... how do we destroy the American patriarchy by destroying monogamy... by promoting promiscuity eroticism prostitution and homosexuality”
05:31:48
ControversyBrian's warfare argument: male suffering in WWI/WWII and forced conscription outweighs all women's collective grievances historically and in modern day.
“that sole grievance that men have nearly exclusively experienced outweighs in orders of magnitude more than all of women's Collective Grievances and that is Warfare”
06:08:00
QuoteBrian closes show noting circumcision as modern-day male bodily autonomy argument.
“most men in this country are circumcised upon birth... they have their genitals mutilated I know you're laughing I'm sure it's funny to you”
Topics Discussed
00:02:54
Introductions & relationship statuses
Guests introduce themselves with name, age, location, occupation. Panel discusses current relationship statuses including long-distance, polyamory, situationships, and singlehood.
00:26:49
American men vs international men
Discussion on whether American men lack effort compared to international men. Toia and Shay argue international men (European, Israeli, Australian) put in more effort and are more mature. Jake and Brian push back.
00:35:00
Do men make enough effort in dating
Main debate: whether men make adequate effort in modern dating. Panel discusses LA dating culture, hookup culture at UCSB, and what constitutes effort (flowers, dates, communication).
01:34:24
How long to wait before sex / the waiting standard
Extended debate on whether women should wait to have sex vs sleeping with someone immediately. Discussion of double standards when women sleep with some men immediately but make others wait. Reddit post about woman sleeping with FWB while making boyfriend wait.
02:27:00
Ho phases & past promiscuity
Panel discusses personal "ho phases." Kayla describes overlapping dating at ages 17-19. Katie discusses polyamory. Jake reflects on his own promiscuous past and regrets.
03:00:00
Do men need to pay on first dates
Brian argues men should only pay for traditionally-minded women. If a woman is non-traditional, she should expect non-traditional treatment (50/50).
03:06:00
Penis size discussion
Tangential discussion after TTS donation. Guests estimate ideal penis size via hand gestures on camera.
03:09:06
Vanika / Naraj proposal moment
Brian stages a mock marriage proposal between Vanika and her admirer Naraj (who drove her to the show after her car broke down). Vanika tries on a ring but declines immediate marriage.
03:13:00
Polyamory / open relationships
Katie discusses non-monogamy and having a primary overseas lover. Brian and Jake argue polyamory is bad for society and family formation. Destiny divorce cited as example.
03:36:00
What guests are looking for in a partner
Guests share their dream partner lists. Toia reads her lengthy written list. Brian shares his detailed preferences including dislike of plastic surgery, preference for natural women, introverts, low body count.
04:00:00
Feminism: history, the patriarchy, wage gap
Jake quotes feminist Mallerie Millett on destroying the American family. Discussion on whether women are oppressed, the wage gap, STEM participation, and the definition of patriarchy.
04:53:00
Are women better looking now or in 10/20 years
Light topic: guests say whether they think they will be better looking in 10 or 20 years. Most say yes; Brian says he peaked at 19 and won't be better looking.
05:30:00
Men vs women oppression: warfare & conscription
Brian argues male-specific suffering from warfare and forced military conscription outweighs all women's collective grievances. Guests debate selective service, bodily autonomy, circumcision, and historical context.
Transcript
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03:46:46
Kaylamake a revolution they answered what kind of Revolution she asked the culture Revolution they chanted and how do we make a culture Revolution she demanded by destroying the American family they answered how do we destroy the American
03:46:58
KaylaFamily she came back by destroying the American patriarchy they cried exuberantly and how do we destroy the American patriarchy she she replied by taking away his power power and how do
03:47:10
Kaylawe do that by destroying monogamy they shouted how can we destroy monogamy their answer left me dumb struck breathless disbelief from my ears
03:47:21
Kaylawas I on planet Earth who were these people by promoting Pro promiscuity eroticism prostitution and homosexuality they rounded so I mean that's the sister
03:47:33
Brian Atlasand one of the founders of the National Organization for Women the preeminent and leading uh women's organiz in the US I mean it has its Genesis in basically attempting to destroy the American
03:47:44
Brian Atlasfamily also if you look back at like early feminism is incredibly uh it was a very rather racist movement like they didn't want they want white women to vote they wanted to
03:47:56
Jakesecure the vote for just white women and some of the most famous feminists like Margaret Sanger for example is a eugenicist she believes in culling population and she's also you know responsible for one of them for like you
03:48:09
Jakeknow Family Planning all of the abortions that happen now she's basically responsible for that so these people are Dark Twisted people and then this is seeped into our society today and we don't we don't even realize what we're
03:48:21
Brian Atlaswhat we're believing before we go further on that conversation though I do want to go around the table maybe I should have asked this first um who here considers themsel a feminist starting with Kayla I don't I don't think I'm
03:48:33
Kaylaeducated enough on the topic and I just got really overwhelmed with how many loud girls were yelling at me or like shouting around about it um okay that's
03:48:42
Brian Atlaskind of based yeah it's good uh what about you yeah okay I don't consider myself feminist no
03:48:52
Shayyes to a degree I believe in uh gender roles though you believe in gender roles what are those um like I believe for certain situations other people might
03:49:03
Shaynot needed in their life but for me I do believe that um like with my partner I expect them to make enough money to take care of me but I also plan on getting
03:49:15
Shayenough money for myself regardless if I have a partner but I love the idea of him financially taking care of me even if I have the financial means to take care of myself because I think that that
03:49:25
Shayum creates an environment where I can be more feminine I can be more in that feminine role of like cooking cleaning taking care of the kids I don't think that fits everybody uh I think that's
03:49:37
Shayvery personal to me I believe that guys should open the door for me I believe flowers pay for first aides yeah um and but I believe that investment comes back I think when you're in a relationship if
03:49:47
Shaythey're paying for all the dates um My love language is gift giving so if I'm financially able that might mean I'll buy him his like dream car right it's
03:49:58
Shaylike great scenario there if like all the finances work out I don't expect him to financially support me because I'm not able to financially support myself I expect to have a high-paying job that's
03:50:10
Shaymy goal I'm not going to be a stay-at-home life but I think it creates this environment that allows me to be in my feminine okay um I have a question can it go likewise like a man can also
03:50:22
Vanikaexpect the same thing like you asking him for the date and you paying first time and then he can give you a like you are investing first and then he's giving
03:50:33
Shayyou like back the same thing I wouldn't go on a date uh a second date with a guy if he didn't pay the first time time so that's a very feminist position of yours but would you say that you're a feminist
03:50:43
Shaywhen it suits you not when it suits me but I believe that uh women should have the same rights as men I believe that we should be paid what rights are you fighting for uh I mean right now we're
03:50:54
Shaywe have the same rights but the idea of feminism came from a history you said you're a feminist so that must mean that you're sort of like leaning towards there being more rights given to women what rights it's it's supporting that
03:51:06
Shaythere's a continuation that women have the same rights as men and that we get paid the same and stuff like that we have the same rights what's wrong I'm not saying that we don't I'm saying that it's a continuous support because the
03:51:16
Shayidea feminism started so you're saying there's no need for the movement but you are still I think there's an advocate of the movement well for me personally there's not an industry that I'm in that I'm like fighting for this but I know that there's a lot of feminists that are
03:51:29
Shayin a certain industry where they don't feel like they're treated as equally as men and I support their um fight for that equality well there there is though I mean it was lated in the
03:51:40
Brian Atlas1960s uh there's equal pay and if you can prove that you're not being paid equally for the you know the the same level of seniority the same work that's being done you can bring a lawsuit yeah and we've like moved towards that but
03:51:53
Shaywe're still seeing situations where there is an equal pay and that's what this great conversation of like talking about your wages that's starting to happen now on on the wage thing really quick do you think for example um NBA
03:52:05
Brian Atlasplayers uh do you think WNBA players should be paid the same as NBA players um no so male basketball players female basketball players no strictly because there's a higher view sure there's more
03:52:17
Shayviewers for the MBA which is a direct translation of you know their profit their funds um the Investments I think that with sports is a little difficult because it's based on viewers it's
03:52:29
Lilysimilar to like a TV show you two are feminist do you think on the N NWA versus WNBA do you think that they should be paid the same NWA I think that there should be a gross rate calculated per view and then we should all just
03:52:41
Lilybase it off that like a strict standard for every single viewer online like per viewer you make this amount of money and I think we should set that for men and women so that it's equal or you could just look at the profit and just do it according to that
03:52:54
Lilyright like how much money they're bringing in exactly yeah and then base it off of that and then okay would you say that that's a feminist position uh I think feminism is bringing the idea of men and women equal so I feel like
03:53:07
Lilythat's setting an equal standard men and women are equal I personally do think that they're equal in what Regard in almost every regard do you think that women are as strong as men yes mentally
03:53:17
Brian Atlasand physically whoa wait before we answer that one I do want to get everybody's input on that are men and women physically the same strength
03:53:27
Brian Atlasgenerally speaking no no I mean can you scoot your mic closer to you like no no no scoot it scoot it just scoot it okay no no in terms of like like muscle mass and
03:53:39
Toiawhat we're able to acquire strength how much you can lift General strength no okay typically no okay on
03:53:50
Brian Atlasthe average no well on the average on the average yeah on okay it could be and then there's that like super mother strength you know and then there's like the vagina don't don't that's typically
03:54:02
Brian Atlasbut don't walk back your statement you said that men and women are equal in mental acuity and strength physical
03:54:11
Lilyphysical and of the mind yes but you I'm a little confused because the on the average your typical woman she's a 55 frame versus a typical man is a like
03:54:22
Lilywhat 5'11 5'8 right I don't know so generally speaking generally speaking generally speaking no but I'm talking about like strength and like Valor and like no but you said physical strong that's what you said maybe I'm comparing
03:54:34
Kaylait to myself because I consider myself a pretty physically strong person so in my aspect yes no but we're in general then no every time I has a question like what if a guy who is like doing exactly the same you were doing
03:54:45
Kaylasame B same string same everything and you did the same thing do you think that competing like he you would win what you talking about I just kind of feel like
03:54:55
Brian Atlasguys like genetically are just born stronger than a girl being born oh I think she walked back I don't um okay just I want to try to wrap up on a couple things here or well CU there's
03:55:07
TTS Readerbeen a few conversations threads that haven't been finished really quick we're going around grid one Motorsport $100 red is right there is inequality as
03:55:18
TTS Readerwomen have more rights than men are harder to fire than men and have lower hiring requirements than men. life on easy mode men and women are not equal at all okay uh yo grid one really
03:55:32
Shayappreciate it man thank you for your thank for that um if he looks up any of the like major companies you're looking at the percentage of women women and men the majority is men and though we're working towards making it equal that is
03:55:43
Brian Atlasjust false because if it was easier to um hire women or women were more inclined to be hired then that percentage wouldn't be the case well I mean one thing that occurs to me what is the primary motive of a business what is
03:55:55
Brian Atlasthe purpose of a business profit to make money right so if it was actually true that you could hire women and pay your Workforce let's say a company of 10,000 people you could pay your Workforce and
03:56:06
Brian Atlassave 20% 30% on salary wouldn't the companies just hire women if it was actually true that you could just pay women
03:56:16
Shayless but for these large corporations that are uh governed and run by men um men yeah yeah governed they're all governed by
03:56:28
Shaywomen look at the HR department the HR departments hiring departments if you're talking about current day we're also talking about equal pay why when you when you say equal though why do you
03:56:38
Jakethink needs to be equal don't in in terms of like um your professional life it should be equal you think that there should be the exact same amount of men and women in the exact same amount of
03:56:50
Shaypositions getting the exact same pay I don't think a company should be based um like trying to get the numbers 50/50 I think it should be based on um you know your resume your experience I that's why
03:57:00
Jakewomen get paid less because we have less because women have they generally are less qualified how's that well because women have take time out for maternity
03:57:10
Jakeleave right a lot of women that's after they get hired yeah I know but okay so they have to take time out for maternity leave and there's like men are willing
03:57:20
Jaketo work a lot harder as well men are willing to work a lot longer hours like if if a man works a lot longer hours then he's going to get paid more especially in in sales jobs Etc do you
03:57:31
Jakethink that's a factor oh well where are you saying that women won't work those hours well it's a fact men work longer hours than women and also they have different interests as well I mean men will tend to go into
03:57:43
Jakestem fields and stem Fields pay more whereas women tend to go to Pink jobs they tend to go to child care like those you're talking about the facts not the Cs that women could do those things we could be there but they W because
03:57:55
Jaketypically find that there's more women in my stem field classes than men personally yeah but it's classes but you look into the workplace and then they're absolutely dominated by men because men are more interested in things and women
03:58:06
Shayare more interested in people I don't think that's true because um current day I I the majority of my friends are into banking investing economics look at the you look at the industry these
03:58:18
Jakeindustries are dominated by men and these are also Industries where you have to work really hard until you're 30 35 to start making money women tend to take time out because they go and take maternity leave and they want to have
03:58:30
Jakechildren because they're smart and they realize that what's more important in life whereas men will work their asses off 80 hours a week until they're 40 years old maternity is about 3 months do you think that there's a lot of women
03:58:42
Jakewho exit the workforce or who are at least very disadvantaged by it no who do you think's more interested in in uh stem Fields men or women science technology engineering and Mathematics I think that there's a mix you think that
03:58:54
Brian Atlasit's equal want see you can pull it up there up too 2third of those employed stem occupations were men about 1/3 35% were women
03:59:06
Brian Atlasum so I mean do you think it's like this this uh thing of supposedly men making more money than women is that due to you think that's due to sexism
03:59:17
TTS Readerhistorically Burns donated $200 wage Gap doesn't exist men typically work higher paying jobs more hours and typically ask for raises more
03:59:28
Brian Atlasoften I mean there's like various factors that go into this when you start if you just compare all the money that men make and all the money that women
03:59:39
Brian Atlasmake there's a it's not a wage Gap it's an earnings Gap um but if you start narrowing it down to okay well this career field here's the hours worked like for example men work if you look at
03:59:52
Jakeall men versus all women men work more hours than women do okay let's talk about a job that isn't hourly yeah but like it doesn't matter if they're hourly because if you're working at a career and and you're a man who's just say in a science job right
04:00:04
Jakeand you're working 80 hours a week compared to a woman who's working 60 hours a week then you're going to get ahead faster and if you if you stay at that company for 10 years and you really get ahead then you're going to be on a lot better money than a woman who's had
04:00:17
Shayto go and leave the job for a while do maternity leave come back leave come back and is also interested in different things as well and historically through a comparison of people that work the same hours that had the same position
04:00:30
Shaythere was a wage Gap there was historically and that's like feminism has existed through years but the argument is am I a feminist yes because it took feminism to get us to the point
04:00:39
Brian Atlaswhere we are now to get that equal do you realize how how different the job availability was a 100 years ago but that doesn't ex the fact that
04:00:51
Brian Atlaswomen and men got paid differently for doing the same job for the same hours but here's the thing like equal pay feminism can really only when it comes to Workforce um participation can really
04:01:02
Brian Atlasonly exist when there are comfortable air conditioned office jobs you you didn't hear feminists in the 1800s saying I want to go into the coal mines and get black
04:01:15
Brian Atlaslung you were you because for the longest period of human history most jobs were like extremely physically laborious but also that's still true today though if you look around today
04:01:27
Jakethe highest echelons of earners are all men because you know like we said before but then AB the lowest as well all of the most difficult jobs the Ice Road Truckers like you said the coal miners whenever you go to foreign countries and you see people digging ditches on the
04:01:40
Brian Atlasside of the road it's never women and I don't see you guys fighting for those positions have videos wait wait wait wait I'm sorry I have to play video related to that Nick can you play those uh I want you to maybe mute the audio
04:01:52
Brian Atlasbut it's the the the the ship videos can you pull that up y yeah really uh before you do that we were going around the table I think asking everyone are you a
04:02:01
Vanikafeminist I would say someone yes are you feminist feminist like I say I don't have the equal same thing I'm not okay do you have it Nick yep uh okay go ahead
04:02:13
Arianaand play it it's kind of weird with the screen is that cool
04:02:21
Brian Atlasyeah okay um all right well that okay I don't know what's going on there um so this is uh some you know some okay
04:02:32
Brian Atlasoh okay all right um okay yeah that's a oil rig or something out in the sea all right that's a guy
04:02:43
Brian Atlasjumping between two ships I don't know if he's going to go weld something uh okay there's a dude jumping out of a helicopter in the
04:02:50
Brian Atlasocean uh yep okay uh you know um oh that that looks fun you know oh that looks like a good time you
04:03:01
Brian Atlasknow you know just sinking in 50 foot waves no big deal um so if you had to wager you know what the percentages like between men and women
04:03:15
Brian Atlaswho occupy that the jobs that are you know the jobs on that ship uh what like what would you
04:03:24
Brian Atlaswager is the gender breakdown there 99% are male it's probably male I mean so we should probably analyze aside from just the money that people make let's we should analyzed other sorts of gaps right so there's dangerous job gaps for
04:03:37
Brian Atlasexample there there's you know men are more likely to die on the job Gap men are more likely to be electrocuted to death Gap men are more likely to be crushed to death Gap men are more likely
04:03:47
Brian Atlasto drown to death Gap uh do you know what Delta p is Delta P so this often happens with like under SE uh under SE uh uh underwater underwater divers um
04:03:58
Brian Atlaswhen there's a pressure differential if there's enough pressure um there's pipes right and if there's a uh like there's different ways this can occur but basically you can get like sucked into a
04:04:09
Brian Atlaspipe and just basically your body can be um imploded in like half a millisecond I think the gender gap there is pretty significant um more likely to work outside in the heat or cold Gap um more
04:04:22
Brian Atlaslikely to work undesirable disgusting and dir Dirty Jobs Gap well a diet wall uh so I mean there's all kinds of gaps are those gaps due to sexism against
04:04:33
Shaymen um well I think all this whole conversation of feminism and sexism is based on history in history there were those gender rules where the men went to war the men worked those hard jobs the
04:04:44
Shaywomen stayed home still do right sure but the reason that women started going to school learning to read started even working as teachers and and going to law
04:04:55
Jakeschool and all that was because of one feminist no it wasn't then what was it no it wasn't well it was a series of women who did and most women at the time didn't want to vote I don't mean one
04:05:06
Shayindividual person I recent that but it was a group of feminists that pushed for women most women didn't want it most women didn't want the vote but F want
04:05:16
Shayamendment is allowing it's it's moving towards equality it's allowing people to do what they please so it's saying that if a woman wanted to get educated that she was allowed to go get educated the
04:05:28
Brian Atlassame as a man it's not denying her the opportunity so you're saying that women can't get educated that's not what I'm saying well what's interesting about the education argument is uh since the 1980s
04:05:39
Brian Atlasmore women have been going to college that's 40 years now um is it is it due to sexism or is there is there like this mandry against men in society now
04:05:49
Brian Atlasbecause I'm at UCSB I suspect the the breakdown is it's 6040 60% women 40% men is UCSB the school you guys go to is it
04:06:00
Brian Atlasa deeply sexist institution because there are it's the 20% more women going to that that's not equal well I don't think equal opportunity necessarily means that everything that
04:06:12
Brian Atlaswe see is 50/50 there are some schools that accept more men than women there's some school actually no like AC globally and certainly in the US there's at almost
04:06:23
Jakeany institution the women outnumber the men but you just said equal though that's why you said equality for women that's what feminism is all about it's giving them the same opportunities but they have the same opportunities and in
04:06:35
Jakemany cases they far exceed it but I'm talking about do you think that maybe your brain is a little bit poisoned by the fact that like a lot of women just complain a lot about this when actually they've got a pretty good lot in life
04:06:47
ShayI'm not saying our life is bad I'm explaining that I'm a feminist because I supported all the work that it took to get here to get where to get to equal rights so you do think you have equal rights yeah right that was never my
04:07:00
Jakeargument my argument you guys but you would but you were literally just saying that you want women to be 50/50 in corporate jobs do you think that now that we've told you this do you think that that's kind of a ridiculous position I didn't say that I want women to be 50/50 in corporate jobs I was
04:07:13
Shaytalking about how in corporate positions you said that men have these interests they have more interest in these manly things investing this and this and I'm saying I'm seeing a change in that I'm seeing that the majority of the women I know are looking into stem or looking
04:07:26
Jakeinto that that times are changing and that feminism means that we have the opportunity to um but if you look at all of the if you look at like the literature on this in terms of Behavioral psychology women are bi
04:07:37
Jakebiologically more interested in people whilst men are biologically more interested in things women are more nurturing whereas men are more inclined to be protectors and providers so we're going to go into those more high paying
04:07:49
Shayjobs and that's why throughout history that's how it's been but feminism is about women that want to pursue the same careers as men having those opportunities because we didn't always
04:08:01
Jakehave those opportunities can I ask like Brian just showed you a bunch of videos of men out on oil rigs and getting smashed about by waves do you think that it's kind of ridiculous that there's a movement of women saying that they want
04:08:12
Jake50/50 and equal treatment in the top air conditioned Corporate Offices when men are out here literally dying at work every single day but those men also have a decision they chose to apply to job
04:08:23
Jakeand women don't want to go near it with a 10-ft pole that's their decision also but feminism is about allowing those decision feminism is about getting what you want convenient for you it's preferential treatment it's about it's
04:08:35
Jakeabout usur usurping men when really at the at the bottom rungs they'll they'll never ever go for those bus iagree to bring this back a little bit to dating I and it's related to the wage Gap stuff I
04:08:46
Brian Atlaswant to go around the table um and I think your answer was you prefer a guy to like pay for on the first date correct and you said there wouldn't be a second date if the guy didn't pay for the first date correct loose enery
04:08:59
TTS Readerdonated $100 these softy feminist houses would not last 2 seconds in these extremely physical dirty tough jobs get your equal
04:09:09
TTS Readerpay asses in a sewer oil rig Coal Mine no yeah I thought so out of here oh wow okay LP coming in with some
04:09:21
Brian Atlashuh it's it loose energy is like the response to small dick energy I guess anyways um so going around the table uh let's say you go on a date with
04:09:32
Brian Atlasa guy and he asks you out and he says you know you go get dinner and and the check comes or he tells the waiter oh let's split he wants to split the bill will there be a second date would you
04:09:44
Brian Atlasprefer and would you prefer if he paid for it if I really liked him I wouldn't mind who paid but you would you prefer the guy to pay I mean if he could yeah but if he
04:09:56
Toialike so you wouldn't ditch the date if he only had a penny in his bank account what about you I said earlier today that yeah paying for a first date or flowers
04:10:05
Toiafor me Isn't a huge deal it would be something that like I it would possibly raise something in my head to consider and I would think about it but it
04:10:15
Brian Atlaswouldn't be like the end all okay but you would you would like it right have you you've been on dates though right um of the dates you've been on do you know how many First Dates
04:10:28
Brian Atlasyou've been on 10 20 maybe like where someone has properly asked me on a date like you went out to go get food with a guy okay that 10 20
04:10:37
Brian Atlas30 40 50 10 10ish okay has the guy more often than not has the guy paid for the date um yeah if he asked me on the date sure yes what about you more often than not Kayla more often than not has the
04:10:49
Kaylaguy paid for the date way more often have you ever paid for a first date I think so yeah if I initiated have I ever paid for a first date yeah and then no
04:11:00
Katiewhat do you want do you prefer the guy to pay for the first date prefer yes but would there be a second date if he doesn't if the situ that you said if they were like and the bill came and they're like oh let's split it mhm if
04:11:11
Katiethey were in guy or girl I mean this cuz again bisexuality that on any date if someone even if it's not romantic honestly if a friend invites me out till like if I get invited out and they're
04:11:23
Katieass saying oh like then I kind of do have a slight expectation bands donated thank man appreciate it women only want equal rights when it benefits them
04:11:34
TTS Readereither draft or physical standards in such things things like the military well there's definitely a saying and it goes feminist until the check comes but so short quick answer you prefer the
04:11:47
Unknownprefer yes but I wouldn't say no to a second date now what about you uh I think whoever did the asking should pay do have you ever asked a guy out yes on a date okay that's
04:11:57
Brian Atlasfair you do realize though just in response to that um most men very rarely almost never will get asked out by a woman
04:12:08
Brian AtlasI know right so I mean but but to say who whoever should pay it's it's basically your answer is Def essentially men should pay but my answer I said that saying that I have asked a guy out on a
04:12:20
TTS Readerdate sure but we can we should also acknowledge that while you you're perhaps an outlier itated $100 theme of the night if I like him
04:12:30
Brian Atlasenough he can do whatever he wants to me your fathers must be missing from your lives yo Odon dude I haven't seen you in a while man hey welcome back thank you for the uh patronage man appreciate it
04:12:42
Brian Atlasuh theme of the night well put sir okay uh and you I prefer him to pay on the first date and you said if he doesn't pay for the first date there won't be a second date yeah if a guy asks you on a
04:12:53
Vanikadate I think it's he should pay okay what about you I would prefer it but I don't mind splitting okay it I will split and I don't it's not going to
04:13:04
Katiechange my opinion about like I will date him for the sure so we've heard some women here some women say well uh what's up I about the equal play thing I was want to put in a fun point I don't know
04:13:16
Katieif you saw that comment earlier about the men some guy posted about equal pay that they were like the reverse that they want equal pay for only fans and which is really interesting at point
04:13:28
Katiethat I never really thought about if we on equal pay well then that's equal for them to come up too not just women to rise but yeah um and I thought about about that industy just wanted to share that out there yeah I think there should
04:13:39
Brian Atlasbe more represent you know okay anyways um well the point the point I'm trying to get at here is um some of you said well you know You' you'd maybe be okay with it if you know the guy split the bill maybe you
04:13:52
Brian Atlaswouldn't even mind but you did hear some of the girls answers who said they either strongly prefer the guy to pay or there wouldn't be a second date now let's assume in the general population that 30% of women there if the guy
04:14:04
Brian Atlasdoesn't pay there won't be a second date 30% of women right let's assume that's the number perhaps it's more perhaps it's less that's still a very large portion of women right now I think there's a whole lot of factors that
04:14:15
Brian Atlasimpact uh the supposed supposed uh wage Gap earnings Gap whatever you want to call it a lot of factors you know hours worked the
04:14:26
Brian Atlasprofessions that are pursued by various individuals um the willingness to take hazardous and dirty jobs um the more men for example are more like more willing to relocate for job um men are more
04:14:38
Brian Atlaslikely to work nights men are more likely to uh work overtime but let's remove all of that let's just say let's just look at what I like to call a mating pressure now I think finding love
04:14:52
Brian Atlasfinding a partner is one of the most important things that a lot of us will do in our lifetime if there is a mating pressure from 30% of the population that demands that the men be providers in the
04:15:04
Brian Atlasrelationship and demands that men pay for first dat wouldn't that even on its own remove all the these other variables I listed The Mating pressure that women place on men to be providers to pay for dates she
04:15:16
Brian Atlassaid she wouldn't go on a second date with the guy if he didn't pay wouldn't that in and of itself explain why men make more money because you as women put
04:15:26
Jakepressure on men to make more money I would is that a Checkmate I don't know um I'd agree with that and also we don't care about how much money you guys make so there's no mating
04:15:38
Katiepressure for you guys whereas for us it's an immense pressure but there is a whole pressure if we slept with too many people then yeah yeah but we're talking about pay Gap though yeah we're talking
04:15:48
Brian Atlasabout pay Gap but what about spending Gap yeah oh women drive 70 to 80% of all consumer purchasing through buying power and
04:15:58
Brian Atlasinfluence isn't also the case that um women take far more out of uh like taxes and Social Service than men do I think I
04:16:08
Brian Atlasdon't know but but I mean if the expectation on men is to pay for first dates and we need to impress you by being able to pay for first aides and provide for you and let's say there's 30% of women that want to be
04:16:21
Brian Atlasstay-at-home wives that don't want to work and want men to be the primary and sole bread winner wouldn't that Soul variable again remove all the others
04:16:33
Brian AtlasI've mentioned that so variable just completely explain away the wage Gap would it would it be fair to say that men are more motivated to make
04:16:43
Brian Atlasmoney than women are because of the mating pressure that women put on men I would say it's a factor I would say it's a major what
04:16:54
Jakeabout what about the fact that like our primary reason to be on this Earth is to reproduce oh yeah every sing every single fiber of our being wants to wants to reproduce I also have another one
04:17:04
Brian Atlasthat's that just occurred to me so you mentioned like high like uh men occupy higher positions of power that also happen to be really well paid right um
04:17:15
Brian Atlasso do you think women are attracted to high status men like famous musicians professional athletes actors or men who are at the top of their like if they're
04:17:27
Brian Atlasat the top of their profession like women find high status attractive they find men who have prestigious jobs attractive yes but that also Al be is because it becomes it comes with
04:17:39
Lilyambition if a man is up there in a rank he's like doing so well it's because he's ambitious because he's talented driven it comes with all these good qualities that embody like getting to
04:17:49
Brian Atlasthat high top power sure I so I have a question okay so do you guys know Drake yes just his looks like remove his status remove his Fame remove his wealth
04:18:00
Brian Atlaslooks wise would you agree he's like an average looking guy he's not like remarkably physically attractive I agree now question if you put Drake in like a nightclub or a bar and like there's a CO
04:18:13
Brian Atlaslike a hundred women who are like trying to pursue a guy and then there's like a really goodlook guy but he has no status he has no money and you put Drake in a bar nightclub whatever do you think
04:18:26
Brian Atlaswomen are going to be like pining over that like really attractive guy or they might but do you think like if they could pick do you think they'd rather get with like the really high with Drake
04:18:38
TTS ReaderI'm trying to think maybe there's a better than Drake here but for a horizon 5 donated $100 a woman working a 9 to5 job is definitely
04:18:48
Kaylaunattractive oh I mean I don't know about that but um so what what do you guys think like who are the guy who are the women going to gravitate towards I think the
04:18:59
Kaylacute guy with no money no job think or whatever uh-uh is just not marriage material which is not my tie that's okay that's
04:19:12
Katiefair can I ask nobody wants to answer the question is that true do on the flip do is that attractive to you guys for us I would AR banking job okay let me here let me change it up so you've got Drake
04:19:25
Brian Atlaslike average looking guy but like super wealthy one of the most famous rappers that's good um very high status um I I shouldn't frame it as what you're going
04:19:35
Brian Atlasto pick do you think there's going to be more women pursuing him than pursuing like just that normal but like good-look much more good-look guy our ego will yes
04:19:47
Lilythe better looking guy or we'll go after Drake okay yeah to add on to that I feel like it's more because oh my God I could pull Drake versus like oh my God I want Drake it's more of like if this person
04:19:59
Lilyof this High status is attracted to me I get validation through that sure that's like like imagine like a super model up to you and she's like super into you like wouldn't you be into her cuz she's pretty yes but you'd also get the
04:20:11
Jakevalidation that a super model like Cindy Crawford is into you some of them super Ms be goofy valid it would be it would be validation yes but like you wouldn't look you wouldn't look twice at them for like a relationship one of those girls
04:20:23
Brian Atlaswho's just been around all the time ex so so just to finish my point here now if you do the reverse right let's say like let's put
04:20:32
Brian AtlasBeyonce in a club and then you have like a 21y old like stunning girl but who's got like a 100 followers on Instagram
04:20:42
Brian Atlasbroke no money no singing chops but she's like extremely beautiful I would argue most and assume
04:20:52
Brian AtlasBeyonce Single right um most of the guys in that club despite Beyonce's insane status and success and wealth most guys would pursue the beautiful 21-year-old nobody over Beyonce and i' I'd say over
04:21:05
JakeBeyonce over Beyonce rich women no no no no they don't like and it's also because of her status that's a headache for us I don't
04:21:16
Jakewant a girl who's out there in the bright lights and like on like shooting music videos all the time and traveling all the time then that's insecurity yeah that's you being insecure why is it insecure why do you have a problem with a woman being in a spotlight and why
04:21:29
Jakedoes that take away your Spotlight it's not about taking away my Spotlight it's just the fact that you want a humble modest woman you don't want a woman woman who's running around and just out in the streets all the time and traveling all the time you want you want
04:21:41
Jakea woman who's kind of a part of your frame rather than doing her thing all the time so you want her to be a part of your life versus having like a her own life absolutely because one day she's going to have children and I want her to focus on the children I see I don't want
04:21:53
Jakeher to be focusing on Career I don't want her to be focusing on travel anything like that I want her to be focusing on children and family I guess you want her to just sit home or you want her to be like a working see I think it's funny when I when when people
04:22:04
Jakesay things like do you want her to just sit at home do you think that that's like an innocuous task having children no I didn't say that I'm just saying like you said like a goal going out so
04:22:16
Vanikaif a goal is going on work then also people going to look at her you know yeah so I would I would look that you want a goal to be just sitting like being a housewife or go being like out working no housewife yeah housewife yeah
04:22:29
Jakethat's weird well I it's weird because you're looking at it through the prism of a woman you're looking at it as a woman who wants a man to be working whereas when we look at women it doesn't really matter to us if you're if you're not and what if she want to work if she wants to work she can absolutely but
04:22:42
Jakethen they're going to be same problem the insecurities and everything like what do you mean that's what you said she going to go out and a lot of people going to see her and sa insecurities I'm not talking about seeing you from day to day I'm talking about being a celebrity
04:22:55
Jakethat would be just a headache I wouldn't I wouldn't want if she's beautiful I think then also it's a problem at the work too if she is beautiful well look ideally man from anywhere ideally what you'd like is a woman who just works part time but then focus on the kids but if she's got something she's passionate
04:23:08
Jakeabout that's a good thing you want them to have hobbies and to be interesting and have lots of interests but you don't necessarily want them to be working 9: to 5 and going every day to work because then it neglects the children and the
04:23:20
Lilychildren have to go to child care so you want like a part-time job for her and that's okay for you right a part-time job would be okay but ideally not so it really is a turnoff if a woman like wants like a night like a tedious job
04:23:31
Jakelike a time consuming job or a job where she's in why why would she want that why would you want that what do what do you mean she has a right to like she can I know she's you I know she's got a right to but why would you why would you want
04:23:43
Jakethat though if your husband earns enough money for you to not have to go to work why would you want to go to work if your husband says you don't have to work well for me I want to pursue a career and something that I'm passionate for for example like I in the beginning we told
04:23:55
LilyI told you guys I I wanted to study immunology and become a professor that's it takes a lot of time you know that's timec consuming um but that's what I'm passionate about and you know like that's what I want to do like I have so
04:24:05
Jakemuch passion for this in thistime and I I understand men would feel the same I that's good that's your that's your prerogative and that's no problem but you guys were looking around like I was strange because I said I wanted a woman
04:24:16
Jakewho didn't want to have a career why is my preference strange but yours is not cuz I think it's suppresses a woman's urges but if you find a woman do you think that a woman has an urge to have children and to raise those children yes okay so I don't think it suppresses the
04:24:30
Brian Atlasures I think it frees her to have children I want to add to this and I do want to say I um I actually I have no issue if women want to pursue uh a
04:24:40
Brian Atlascareer I don't I don't object to it um I think I don't think Jake does either I think but from a dating perspective and I I kind of stepped away there for a
04:24:50
Brian Atlassecond I don't think a woman's career her ambition her how much money she makes um for me and I think for perhaps a lot of men uh I don't think most men
04:25:02
Brian Atlasreally find it more attractive now I I do want to just add a caveat here so you don't think I'm a raging uh I I actually I'm very much in favor of women for example going
04:25:13
Brian Atlasinto stem um I I actually think it's a very uh useful um career path because for example take cancer for example or
04:25:24
Brian Atlastake various diseases that we don't have solutions to yet uh I think we should be throwing all of our uh intellectual Vigor at these problems whether that is a uh men women or both uh I think we
04:25:36
Brian Atlasshould be using the uh exploiting is not not the right term well we should be exploiting the intellectual uh Power of everyone that
04:25:47
Brian Atlaswe can to solve these problems which I do think eventually will have a solution I think everyone here has probably known somebody who's had cancer or has a family member who's had cancer or some sort of disease so uh I'm very much in
04:26:01
Brian Atlasfavor actually of women get getting into stem so we can tackle uh these uh you know various ailments that people eventually uh come across but from a
04:26:11
Brian Atlaspurely romantic perspective I don't think men really uh care all that much about a woman's income or her success I'd be I'd care more about her having interests thing that she's passionate
04:26:23
Jakeabout and if she's running a little business that's operating at a loss and that keeps her happy and interested I'm happy with that but having a 9 to-5 job while you're trying to raise children for me it wouldn't be something that I'd
04:26:35
Jakebe that I'd like because you'd want them to be focused on the children and I think that a lot of guys have that preference but they're sort of not not allowed to say it these days because then they get all the women who jump down their throat and say oh you want us to be you know chained up to to an oven
04:26:47
Jakeno there are a lot of women out there who who hear that and think yes I would love to do that I would love to just be a mother love to stay home but then there's always this reaction when we say that where people sort of especially no
04:27:01
Jakeoffense but women who consider themselves feminists they get like up in arms about it and there's a lot of women who who love that who want that so thank you super gym photography for the get to 10 Subs on Twitch thank you so like uh
04:27:12
Vanikawhen a woman is pregnant to the like first year like of the baby still she still she feeds the baby I got it like she can stay home and she needs the proper care and kids need that to be
04:27:24
Jakelike Mom to be around but I think it should be on the men too like equally taking care of the kids no not during child raring not not during it the infancy of the child why do you think
04:27:35
Vanikabecause the child attached to its mother it's biology child needs its mother's teach I got it for one year a baby is feeding okay the mom has to be close but I think it's equal responsib it's it get it gets all few together put it this way
04:27:48
Jakedo you see what's happening in the schools these days what's going on I'm I'm teaching do you see the kind the kinds of things that they're teaching in schools these days or in preschools they've got all kinds of different nefarious flags hanging up around the preschools where they're indoctrinating
04:28:01
Jakelittle kids into different ideologies okay so if you're somebody who has certain conservative values like I do I do not want my kids being shipped off I want them to have my values so I want them to be at home with my wife potentially even being homeschooled
04:28:14
Vanikadepending on how bad this stuff gets you didn't get my point I'm trying to say is like you are reducing her working hours because you want her to focus on kids but I think I'm not reducing her listen I'm not reducing her working hours she
04:28:27
Kaylawon't want to work do you think that that's like crazy that a woman would want to work there's nannies too that can stay home I don't want a nanny my kid my kid I mean I
04:28:38
Katiedon't either I think there's a complete honesty to that I think I used to a few years AG or the last maybe two years I would have been this more I still
04:28:48
Katiewouldn't call myself feminist but I had a wall up against men and I was a little angry about some things that I went through um and so I I was I was like I'm independent I can be I can be very
04:29:01
Katieindependent I have been for the last few years I've been by myself been doing my own thing taking care of myself and it wasn't until this year that I that is flipping for me and that I have realized that I have worn myself out I don't want
04:29:14
Katieto be like this any I mean I want to be able to take care of myself and now I know I can take care of myself but I do want that well mean to be able to go into our feminine is to be able to once you get a little bit old towards the
04:29:26
Jakewall that they call it that's when you start seeking masculine God and small it is interesting that it kind of is flipping that it used to be that way and and the reason why it is that way though
04:29:38
Jakeis because like the indoctrination is so vast that it's like you're fighting me about saying that you're going to reduce your wife's working hours not F I'm not fighting with you very first thing is like I'm just putting my opinion like no no but but but you're saying to me
04:29:50
Vanikayou're going to reduce her working hours no that's want her to no it's a very basic thing like I would say um kid needs like both Mom and Dad both you want a mother to take care of the kids
04:30:03
Vanikaand focus on them on the values they don't should not feel alone everything everything cultural value whatever you want to put in the kids but I think it's it's from the both side it should be from the both side not only like from
04:30:16
Jakethe mother it should be like from the father as well it's the father's job to provide for his family but yeah she the emotional support of the child and the love of the child needs to come from the mother that's what you
04:30:26
Jakethink woman can what you think that's what you think I guess I guess forther out history from time in Memorial is all wrong and it's actually the women who are the providers after all and Men we are not saying that
04:30:38
Vanikait's equal like you have a wife or like I have a partner so I want to get married when I will be in the equal status like I will be having a good job or my business is good whatever would you want to work full-time when you're
04:30:50
Vanikapregnant no I I didn't say that listen to me first what I'm trying to say so why you're not equal though because your wife's your your husband is going to be the provider if you if you I'm saying like at at what time when there is no
04:31:01
Vanikaequality I I'm saying you can't be you are not pregnant that's why you have to go out and exactly that's why the man needs to be the provider after that take care of the baby together what if you only have three babies so what so then
04:31:14
Vanikathe man has to be the provider cuz you're going to take on now if I take it on me I'm not I'm not giving but to three kids I'm going to be stick to like one or two then what okay all right um C
04:31:25
Brian Atlasmore couple more questions here and we will try to wrap up soon so um I need to read a couple chats we have billam the Mars these ladies would rather be deleted from a home Intruder than have a
04:31:37
Brian Atlasboyfriend with a gun to protect their lives LOL ladies quit letting your fear control your lives okay from billiam the Mars there you have it thank you bli we have one SEC here it's going to come in
04:31:50
Brian Atlaswe have flan life can Walmart Lord sing us a solo who's Lord I know the M Lord day is I don't know how to pronounce Mercy buku
04:32:01
Brian Atlasfor the Canadian 50 man who's Walmart Lord though who's that what does she look like who looks like her what was her song what was her one hit wonder do you know who Lord is
04:32:12
Brian AtlasI I want to be oh God voice crying okay all right thank you plan life um Aaron Chambers we don't want the word to go out that we
04:32:23
Brian Atlaswant to exterminate the Margaret s population Margaret from Margaret Sanger founder of Planned Parenthood how many of you girls knew that you condemn her statement but you won't change your vote
04:32:34
Brian Atlasclever okay oh there's something recently from an interesting post on planned parenthood's Instagram page that I saw that was interesting maybe Nick you can find it
04:32:47
Brian Atlasit was just a weird billboard it was about virginity I thought it was peculiar um I actually it'll lead up into our last thing and then we'll hopefully get to W we'll wrap here
04:32:56
Brian Atlaspretty soon um there's that that okay um Nick can you just pull up there the planed parent Instagram it's not related to abortion don't worry we're not going to talk about
04:33:09
Brian Atlasthat oh well done can you put this on the other side uh virginity a completely madeup concept a term that was created to control and shame people mainly women
04:33:21
Brian Atlasyour daily reminder that virginity is a social construct not a medical term um well I don't know if people are actually trying to make the argument that virginity is a medical term so this
04:33:34
Brian Atlasis a bit of straw man here but um it's interesting uh I I don't understand a completely madeup concept what does I'm not sure what that
04:33:46
Brian Atlasmeans though virginity being a completely madeup concept well if somebody hasn't had sexual intercourse then they are
04:33:57
Kaylavirgins huh I think like yeah I guess there's there's a lot of people like very small population like nuns and stuff who like will never have sexual encounters it's a real thing yeah the
04:34:08
Brian Atlasnuns the nuns out there um uh but term those created to control and shame people mainly women uh I mean agree disagree with that guys I think
04:34:18
Brian Atlasit's definitely made to shame people yeah okay shame women yeah virginity but how so I'm confused like shame women how shame women who are virgins or shame
04:34:29
Brian Atlaswomen who are not who are not both well then so it's not a term that that was made up to shame women I mean I think it's a silly sign what do you mean a
04:34:40
Toiasilly sign oh the sign's silly okay it it's yeah what any thoughts I mean virgin is a word it's the the factual definition virgin is is
04:34:51
Brian Atlasa thing yeah I do think virginity can be shamed yeah well what I actually interestingly find that's related to virginity is uh well could be related to virginity I think what they're trying to
04:35:03
Brian Atlassay is is that women are shamed if they're promiscuous or have a high body count or are not virgins uh but it occurs to me that men
04:35:13
Brian Atlasare shamed in sort of this opposite way if men are virgins or men are uh involuntarily celibate or incels they tend to get shamed that
04:35:24
Brian Atlasway so that's always interesting to me any thoughts I would say women are also shamed for being virgins really and no but maybe by by who by
04:35:36
Brian Atlasteased I have heard women come on the show and they say yeah I've heard from women who were like yeah I was a virgin or I wasn't really doing hookup culture I'd only been with one guy and all my my
04:35:46
Brian Atlasfriend group would make fun of me for not like having hookups or uh shamed me for being a virgin so uh which I think is wrong but it's like an expectation though it's like if I've tell told guys
04:35:57
Brian Atlaslike this is when I lost my virginity they're always really surprised they like 19 like that's crazy and you're you're 2 right I I don't think that that's bad no I don't think it's bad
04:36:10
Brian Atlaseither I I'm just saying that we got people losing that in junior high school and that's a bit young could be a bit young you know at least wait till
04:36:20
Toialike you a little later on shame well maybe I also like women tend to feel shame maybe if they're still a virgin
04:36:29
Jakelater on in life too sop a sop until until normally it's like it's because of a religious conviction you don't really get many girls who aren't religious and waiting for till
04:36:42
Brian Atlasmarriage does anyone here a virgin any virgins Nick Nick raised his hand okay no virgins here okay Maddie Rose her hand I don't know about that one
04:36:56
Brian Atlasuh uh yeah well related to that sign um do you guys
04:37:07
Brian Atlasyou often hear men preferring women with a low body count or even preferring uh virgins uh do you think it's do you object to men caring about a woman's
04:37:16
TTS Readerbody count do you object to that and if so why starting with let it bother me Apollo Apollo shoda donated
04:37:25
TTS Reader$100 another great Brian thanks the girl in pink is semi- based but needs to read more oh as always Madison is the only
04:37:34
Vanikanine present panel gender normative roles build the world how are they wrong I still don't get did can someone please explain it to me and it's not
04:37:45
Jakereadable from here she he said you're semi based so it means you're semi you're semi in touch with reality but you need to read a few more books and
04:37:53
Jakethen okay thank you for that yeah are you talking about the thing I told I I was talking about I think just it's like a synopsis of of the episode it's a bit of a cliff notes of your performance
04:38:06
Brian Atlasthank you it's beautiful wait so okay we're going around uh oh do you object to men carrying about body
04:38:14
Toiacount no okay it could be a valid con like it's if they're triggered by it then they they need to communicate it
04:38:25
Katielike I don't know okay am do I agree with it yeah
04:38:33
Brian Atlasor I don't know I mean everyone I don't know say it again do object to a man do I object having a preference for a woman with a low body count or having a
04:38:47
Katiepreference for a woman who's a virgin okay yes if if I was to get with a guy and then I told him my body count and he was to turn me away then I would object that and i' would be like I object I
04:38:57
Arianahave other things so yes I I guess I object that okay I don't object that I think you can have a preference yeah no I don't object it fully I but I think
04:39:10
Brian Atlasyour path shouldn't Define you and that goes both ways I do not object either okay pass shouldn't Define you
04:39:20
Brian Atlasuh okay well I'm curious what's everyone's body count starting with Kayla go ahead 12
04:39:30
Brian Atlasokay three more than that who you want to give us a
04:39:39
Vanikarange between 15 and 20 okay I'm pass skip five
04:39:47
Unknownone I want to keep keep it personal range range range less than you want to do a less than oh under five like it's not crazy that's fair under
04:40:00
Brian Atlasfive multip three and that's the real number not mine I was on it whatever your answers were you got to multiply by three and that's the real number you
04:40:09
Nickyou guys turn body count oh I I don't reveal my body count for guys it's divide by three yeah it's divide by three for guys Jake do you want to
04:40:21
Nickreveal it's between me and the Lord he did have a ho phase right did you say you had a hoase at one point you're honest about that yeah um it's at least
04:40:31
Brian Atlasone for me okay good talk uh all right last thing um Stiffler normally asks this question
04:40:42
Brian Atlasbut he's not in the chat today Stiffler wants to know uh rate yourself on a scale of 1 to 10 just your looks if you had to rate your looks on a
04:40:54
Brian Atlasscale of 1 to 10 I know this is going back to you beauty is a subjective um Kayla starting with you scale of one to 10 two just
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Brian Atlasyour your own self assessment of your looks you can't factor in your personality you can't factor in okay you know how fantastic of you know a Super
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KaylaChat reader you are you can't factor that in okay just physical appearance I'm going to give myself a nine because I feel myself getting
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Kaylaprettier and doing things to you know look you know look a certain way that I'm heading toward getting prettier J smile going on there thank
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Katieyou for telling me probably from drinking yeah why say serious it does look kind of good though I ain't hating it yeah now we is it what
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Brian AtlasJoker are we talking like The Suicide Squad Joker or like Heth Ledger Joker okay cuz I don't know if she's going to get like a what's the tattoo he has on
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Katiehis forehead anyways um 7.5 okay that's yeah my looks m my body count just keeps going on so 15 and
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TTS Reader20 out of 10 multiply like 6 a donated
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TTS Reader$100 gender normative roles means the man hunts money provision Etc and the woman produces offspring nurtures Etc
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TTS Readerdespite recent popular ideas this is what built the world why is this wrong exactly right exactly right and we all need to embrace it it's the yin and yang of the universe you guys keep looking at
04:42:39
Jakeeach other and laughing what what have you got to say so do you think men should always pay on the first day absolutely okay 100% okay and open the door and earn flowers and be taller not
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Shayflowers flowers is a different story get the flowers out of here yeah uh do you guys disagree with that you don't think that there's a I don't think that statement is wrong I think that's what built the world but
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Shayagain what I'm saying I think feminism allows those that don't want to pursue that lifestyle to have the opportunity to right okay but do you think that there is a natural order to the world in a yin and yangang that if if if adhered
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Shayto actually create something quite beautiful a Unity yeah but I do feel that a lot of individuals don't feel that I personally feel that but I know a lot of women that but we're not talking about the fringes we're just talking about in general that exists and if
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Jakesomebody wants to embody that in their relationship and their family that's surely that's a fine thing yeah yeah I notic every time we say something you guys look at each other and like laugh as if there's something outrageous because of your toxic masculinity Jake