4'11 Girl REFUSES To Date 5'7 Guy?! | Dating Talk #83

Date: 2023-07-12

Duration: 6h 32m

Guests

Brian Atlas

UUnknown (PA model, DT83)>

AArmani (DT83)>

MMadison (DT94)>

MMatt (StaySafeTV)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Grace(guest)

SPEAKER_03Matt (StaySafeTV)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_05Gia Chacon(guest)

SPEAKER_06Unknown (PA model)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_08Riaan(guest)

SPEAKER_09Kace(guest)

SPEAKER_10Armani(guest)

Key Moments

IntroGrace introduces herself: 29yo, social media/stand-up comedy/OnlyFans, LA. "I do be funny on TikTok."

“my name's Grace I'm 29 I do social media and I do comedy as well”

QuoteArmani (4'11") reveals she refused to date the 5'7" guy who introduced her to her 6'3" situationship partner. Brian shows meme on screen: "sorry I don't take guys below 6 feet" — it is Armani.

“obviously like I'm gonna upgrade friends no offense because that dude was like five seven”

RelationshipRiaan (5'2"): minimum height 5'5" because she wears platforms.

“I'd like to date someone who's at least five five I guess because I wear a lot of platforms”

RelationshipKace (4'11"): boyfriend is 5'7"; has dated men as short as 5'2". Mom taller than dad (5'3" vs 5'1").

“my boyfriend is five seven so he's a short King oh you're four eleven too but yeah”

Key MomentRiaan reveals she got legally married at 20 while on shrooms as a joke with a 1-month boyfriend. Separated Dec 30; filing for annulment. "We did it because we thought it would be funny."

“I am 21 years old I'm originally from the... I'm actually married too I forgot”

RelationshipMadison: ex was 5'6" with no issue; current boyfriend Frankie is ~5'11"; has a promise ring.

“my boyfriend's like 5 11. he sometimes he says six foot but the shortest they all do”

ControversyArmani insists height was only "a plus" and states minimum she would date is 5'7" despite being 4'11".

“the highest was a plus what would you do if what if I'm if I'm trying to date a guy”

QuoteArmani: even a 5'1" muscular wealthy man would be worse because "he's gonna look like a little Roblox dude."

“what if the guy is five foot one but he makes 300 Grand a year Andy's Jack he's muscular no that's even worse”

QuoteMatt to short guys in the audience: "any woman that's into you really loves you. It's a built-in default vetting process."

“short guys in the audience you are so lucky if you're five six you're five seven”

ControversyBrian reveals the meme "sorry I don't take guys below 6 feet" is actually Armani, pointing out irony of a 4'11" girl refusing a 5'7" man. Panel reacts.

“perfect that's actually you yeah um rip yeah he was five seven and you're four eleven right”

RelationshipPA model: minimum height 5'5" due to wearing platforms; does not care much about height otherwise.

“I'm gonna agree with her I'm 5'2 as well I think five five is like the shortest that I would consider dating”

Key MomentPA model reveals she ended her situationship that morning: ~3 months exclusive, no apps, no title. He wanted more time; she wanted commitment.

“I just said like you know I don't see it going anywhere if it's not gone anywhere this far”

ControversyBrian reads Riaan's pre-show: "most people should be non-monogamous." Riaan clarifies she meant exploring non-monogamy, reduce stigma. Gia pushes back strongly with statistics.

“most people should start considering non-monogamy because I didn't mean to cut you off”

Key MomentGia defends monogamy: cites American Family Study; argues for sacrificial relationships; states Christian belief in one man/one woman.

“Partners feel happier and more fulfilled when they're in monogamous relationships”

Key MomentGia describes humanitarian work: Jordan, Iraq (2022), Armenia (2020 Azerbaijan-Armenia war) providing crisis relief to persecuted Christians.

“I was in Iraq in um 2022 I brought humanitarian Aid to internally displaced Christians”

Key MomentMatt cites DNA research: 40% of men historically reproduced vs 80% of women; argues top-tier men access most women.

“if you look at two uh like my wife and I are both white we both got married for the first time”

QuoteMadison shares her mother passed away when she was 11, leaving just her father. Felt safer and more financially secure with two parents.

“unfortunately my mom passed away when I was 11 and specifically I didn't know that”

OtherBrian post-show: panel "a little frustrating" with some bad-faith arguments. Accepts partial responsibility for not having stronger prepared arguments.

“tonight's panel was a little frustrating I mean um I I think she was a little bit bad faith”

OtherBrian and Matt (both left-handed) jokingly demand reparations from right-handed guests for historical discrimination against left-handed people.

“I want all of you to go get your purses and you need to pay us me and Matt here”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions & relationship status round

Guests introduce themselves: name, age, occupation, location. Then go around table on current relationship status. Notable: Riaan broke up with bf 1 day prior; PA model ended situationship that morning; Armani has never officially dated but had 2-year FWB situation; Gia is 7 months into a relationship; Madison has a promise ring from Frankie; Matt is married.

Height preferences in dating

Discussion of height requirements for men on dating apps. Armani (4'11") refuses men under 5'7", despite being 4'11"; episode meme shown on screen at ~32:07. Each guest shares height and minimum preference. Extended discussion on whether men lie about height on dating apps, short kings, and the 6'3" vs 5'7" comparison Armani made.

Traditional relationships, marriage and vetting partners

Brian and Matt discuss vetting partners carefully before marriage. Debate on whether marriage is worth it, the analogy of entering a business partnership. Gia argues relationships are sacrificial not transactional. Discussion of who should pay on first dates.

Social media and modern dating problems

Discussion of how social media and dating apps have changed dating dynamics. Women accused of chasing top 5-10% of men on apps. Brian introduces statistics on singleness.

Marriage statistics and divorce rates

Matt presents divorce rate statistics: national average ~45%, but first-time married couples ~35%, and for white first-time married couples only ~13%. Argues 50% divorce stat is inflated by serial divorcees. Debates "anti-marriage propaganda."

Monogamy vs. non-monogamy

Riaan advocates for people to consider non-monogamy and reduce stigma. Gia defends monogamy as statistically better and morally grounded in Christian values. Grace discusses having opened a previous LDR and it going badly. Matt and Brian cite statistics showing monogamous relationships lead to better outcomes for children, lower abuse rates, etc.

Single-parent households and family structure

Discussion of crime statistics and single-parent households. Matt says 1/4 of US children lack a father figure; correlates with crime across all categories. Guests share personal experiences: several grew up in divorced/separated households. Madison lost her mother at 11. Matt and his brother grew up without a dad after parents divorced when he was in 2nd grade.

Promiscuity statistics and hypergamy

Brian presents data: 63% of men ages 18-29 report being single vs 34% of women same age. Debate on whether women or men are more promiscuous on average. Discussion of Tinder/OK Cupid data showing top 10% of men get most female attention. Matt and Brian argue evolutionary basis for female selectivity (pregnancy risk). TTS donation about 40% of men historically reproducing vs 80% of women.

Abortion and reproductive rights

Discussion of abortion; Gia is pro-life (Christian). Debate about at what point life begins, rape exceptions, contraception. Gia discusses her work with persecuted Christians as background context for her values.

Red flags in dating

Panel goes around sharing red flags they have encountered or watch out for in dating. Topics include lateness, social media behavior, bald guys posting photos, etc.

Wage gap and gender equality

Brian presents wage gap statistics; argues it is an earnings gap not a wage gap, caused by choices in career field, hours worked, and risk tolerance, not sexism. Notes 93% of workplace fatalities are men. Riaan declines to debate without more research.

Feminism debate

Show of hands on who identifies as feminist. Riaan says yes; Gia gives nuanced defense of equal rights/dignity but critiques modern feminism. Grace and others unsure of definition. Brian argues feminism is women's advocacy, not equality; cites feminist opposition to shared custody bills and draft registration for women as examples.

Left-handedness reparations (comedic)

Brian and Matt (both left-handed) jokingly demand reparations from right-handed guests, citing historical discrimination against left-handed children. Comedic segment before outro.

Transcript

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Armaniaround Pro I want anything how do I do it I've never I don't really drinks I don't maybe we don't need to do it do I just well it's not on camera if you want to

Gia Chacondo it first do this I'm sorry I don't drink so I don't know how to do this [Music] if I were you I would twist

Brian Atlasis it gonna is it gonna like is it is it too strong it's gonna exit it's not like not like shaking up is it you'll be fine full Sam I'm dude I'm kind of scared not gonna

Brian Atlaslie don't be scared I'm [ __ ] scared bro I don't drink so I you know oh [ __ ] bro I'm gonna hit the [ __ ] monitor I'm gonna break

TTS Reader[ __ ] Brandon Wells donated 100 bro I'm two weeks holy [ __ ] dude I'm not strong enough yes you are dude I I literally can't do it dude look at my Danger

Gia Chaconous open champagne bottles yeah point it point it that way

Gia ChaconI just want to go like this yeah oh is that possible hold your hand over the over it yeah yes yeah

Brian AtlasI was not expecting that you've never done that I've never done I don't drink okay I thought it just no matter what oh it's pink oh [ __ ] am I not pouring

Brian Atlasthis right I'm getting the Fizz [ __ ] okay

Brian Atlasyou said you wanted some okay we'll do that all right this is dedicated to our Patron Brandon who so this should actually be a trigger from someone

Armaniso okay um do I just not know how to pour you're supposed yeah I thought that's for beer I think champagne's okay well it's also

Brian Atlasjust bubbly nice and bubbly it's gonna happen whoops you're fine I'm sorry okay um if you guys want to pass those down to the uh alcoholics over there on that side of the table uh cheers

Brian Atlasto our did you get one no there's one okay cheers to our comrade Mr Brandon Mills

Brian Atlasfor his generosity in this hour of need thank you very much man

Matt (StaySafeTV)oh it's not bad it's not bad um some some people bought power guns so you have to do uh did you want to shout them out or yeah listen I'll shout them out I listen I cannot put on that outfit

Brian Atlasmy wife will divorce me I'm not even kidding you actually you signed the contract before the start of the show you are Legally Legally bound to put on

Matt (StaySafeTV)a school girl outfit listen well Justin Justin W bought power gum now I know your address Justin just kidding uh we have we have Craig oh Craig is one of my

Matt (StaySafeTV)viewers I know his first name last name we have David David S bought power gum we have Edward E bought power hey thank you guys very much thank you guys very much so power

Matt (StaySafeTV)gum is my own uh my own business I am the only I'm the only guy I am Mr Paragon it's all me and uh this is a product I've been selling now for around two years

Matt (StaySafeTV)and I made it because all the other caffeine products suck I got sick of uh all the caffeine pills and the caffeine powders and the canned energy stuff it's just all it's got a lot of problems I'll say the

Matt (StaySafeTV)big the best thing about power gum is it's like a very nice clean burn it doesn't have that big spike and then the crash on the back and it's just a very nice burn what's the best way I can put it word okay let's get these final few and then we're going to wrap up

Brian Atlasum can you pull up the final Instagrams and then

Brian Atlasuh sure we could show as fans really quick we got s-fan we needed it we need a new

Brian Atlasone now yeah this is s-fand he's also yeah uh s fans Chad Paladin he's like a rep Paladin though so like in classic it's like kind

Brian Atlasof poverty DPS but he is like top in terms of Paladin players he is pretty up there in terms of skill but it's like he's kind of gimped himself by playing like you know oh kind of

Matt (StaySafeTV)subpar class just well he's a very righteous man he's a great guy he's a great great man Champion let's do the next one

Brian Atlasthis is Mitch Jones oh he plays a mage right in World of Warcraft uh yeah so that's uh Mitch uh that's what's up I have a feeling

Brian Atlaslike uh a girl over here Rita might be interested in this guy I don't know he's white though so I don't know I mean that's your words right you don't you don't like white guys apparently um

Brian Atlasuh this is Mitch Jones I think we get the idea uh so yay or nay on Mitch Jones

Brian Atlasno no huh okay no huh I must say no as well okay all right pulling back up

Brian AtlasMitch Jones he's a another twitch streamer Mage okay all right next one you can probably just Ctrl tab

Brian Atlaswell I okay uh this is Frederick he is uh from Canada he uh he's um

Brian Atlashe's Canadian so I don't know if that might be a con for something the little man PPC a little piece of [ __ ] [ __ ] um and pull it pull up that photo with the uh

Brian AtlasThunder Fury so that um that's him with a sword so I was just curious like you know give he he so he's had two Rogues in classic who've had Thunder Fury which is like pretty good for a rogue right

Brian Atlasum he's big big Rogue player uh he plays Hunter a little bit too uh what are you doing them yay or nay

Brian Atlasno no no it's tough out here I'm gonna have to say no as well what the [ __ ] I would should we should we film the

Gracekeyboard photo oh my God options open for Brandon no I'm just kidding okay I'll come you told her her shoes you're gonna hook her up with Brandon but you didn't tell me you're gonna hook me up with Chase

Brian Atlaswait wait what chase you mean the Christian guy [Music]

Brian Atlasuh I'll see what I can do uh let's do the next one um we gotta think about two more

Brian Atlasoh whoops sorry didn't mean to do that uh this is this is what's his first name this is not uh sorry use what's his first name Joshua it's Josh it's Josh

Brian Atlasum I I think that was just like uh like that was like it for a photo shoot yeah her sister also married him probably um so this he's definitely single um this is are you sure don't worry about

Brian Atlasthat girl this man is not single I'm sorry this man is not single no he actually see a ring he is not it's his sister um so given the photos let's assume he's

Brian Atlassingle right let's assume he's single um do you you go for him do you date him he's a really good guy really great guy and he made it to um he made it to like 60 on his Mage in

Gracehardcore that's impressive which you know it's like maybe it's so funny you're telling us all these like water Warcraft statistics like it matters to us

Gracenothing matters well like yeah like we don't we don't that means so do you yes or no

Matt (StaySafeTV)no no okay all right let's he's like a super attractive guy he's shredded he makes a ton of money would you date him I would I'm not gay

Brian Atlasbut the fact that you're married didn't come up for her uh next one uh that's yeah Josh okay next well let's

Brian Atlasget real life right this is um what's I forgot this savix I don't know savix's first I don't know his name first is friends names we were we're Us in the gamer Community

Brian Atlaswe refer to each other with our gamer tags yeah but you're not like hey Brian

Matt (StaySafeTV)yeah like this is stay safe yep that's not Matt this is Stacy so much harder to try out when you're like stay safe TV huh we don't text we only FaceTime every

Brian Atlasnight no we never like you and you're okay uh wait did we oh let's pull it back up scroll down scroll down let's see some more photos this is savix he's

Brian Atlasum what does he play is he kind of a is he a rogue he's normally uh oh he's normally a red Paladin but also a rogue player okay

Brian Atlasall right okay what a nice guy he's like a good guy you know he's a good guy uh yes or no

Brian Atlasoh okay no you don't okay I'm gonna say yes oh

Brian Atlasokay I must say no oh wow damn tough crowd here okay uh savix is killing it bring it back up

Brian Atlasoh that's fine that's fine oh is this oh um wait oh this is I'm sorry this is that I don't know why you have that there I'm sorry that okay

Brian Atlaswe're not doing that because you're married and stuff but um okay never mind okay family oh thank you Who Matt yeah I'm not correct he's definitely Korean oh the previous guy

Brian AtlasSavage the guy who looked kind of green yeah I don't know okay uh yo common people thank you for the 50 is that uh British pounds seems so hard to debate females you could say one plus

Brian Atlastwo equals three and someone will say but maybe two was that's sick that day bad timing sending this after that 1K Super Chat rip me yo common people thank you very much for your uh soup chat uh

Brian Atlasappreciate it man TJ King ladies name each other's red flags name each other's red flags you two are friends so like what's wrong

Armaniwith her and you tell me what's wrong with her keep in mind we've only been living together for about two days I met her yesterday okay just rip it

Brian Atlaswhat's my red flag what's her red flag there's just be brutally honest

Armanidoes she leave the toilet seat protein powder oh yeah I weigh out my protein powder instead of measuring I have a little scale because they come with little cups well like sometimes the cups aren't like I don't measured right you

Armaniknow so like it could be like 35 grams or 33 grams in it I want to see how many like the proteins how's that a red flag I accept all your red flags oh thank you

Graceum name each other's red flags yeah

Gia Chaconabout us yeah let's start with you and we'll move that way go ahead my red flags yeah we'll start with you and then I don't have red flags stop the cow I know

Gia Chaconum no I'll be honest I think in in my past relationships well red flag like in the initial like dating stage or when you're in a relationship like things that people have said

Gia Chaconokay just your own self-assessment sir and I've definitely had to work on that I have to I had to realize that you know just because

Gia ChaconI see potential or I see like a good game plan doesn't mean that I need to like get everybody in line with that so um I've worked on not

Brian Atlasfixing everybody that I encounter is that is that a red is that a red flag though not for the yeah but it's like

Brian Atlasthat's I mean probably some wouldn't a partner view that as a good thing kind of

Gia Chaconoh like you're nagging and [ __ ] or I know I've actually never been said that I've been a nag a nagger but so how do you fix like if encouraging them to or trying to get them to do something that

Gia Chaconthey don't want to do that betters them in my opinion isn't that kind of knack isn't that no it's not in a Naggy way it's like in a like you should do this but they don't want to do it it's not

Gia Chaconlike Naggy it's just like maybe I'm like I see sometimes like potential for them that they don't see so then they view it as maybe being like critical or something like that I don't know

Brian Atlasokay well you guys already kind of went here how about you reveal what what are your own red flags what's your red flag oh probably like the amount caffeine I drink that's a red flag how much how much do you drink dude I mean okay I had

Armanito cut back a thousand milligrams yeah a lot of coffee 50 milligrams it's going to totally replace all that other stuff be

Armanicareful but like literally I would you know wake up I'd go to work drink coffee then I'd have you know those like um like energy drinks you know they're like 200 milligrams Celsius

Armanior like uh like ghost goes once those are my favorite I drink like two of those throughout work you know I'm not sure go to the gym double scoop my pre you know and then yeah how's this a red

Armaniflag though well like the heart problems yeah but like in the context of a relationship like I'm not well I'm just very uh you're just a spaz like when well not like that I just mean like that's probably bad for me that's the

Brian Atlasonly reason that's not like a red flat like a red flag in the context of like a romantic relationship like what what would be considered red flag then like they slash your tires have you slashed

Brian Atlasanybody's tires I can't get that impression for me is that because I'm Mexican whoa what the [ __ ] whoa why would they race how did you how did you get yeah get to that because I'm a woman

Armanino I've never slashed anyone's tires Mexican women unbelievable yeah be careful Latinas will get you yeah but I don't know what's a what's a red flag here's mine when I'm when I'm like when

Matt (StaySafeTV)I'm irritated I get kind of like dismissive and short and I get kind of like and then okay if I'm if I'm tired and hungry and irritated I get cranky and I'm like okay that's called hangry I

Brian Atlasget angry oh I get I get very dismissive I I guess I get hungry there you go I love food you love food that's your red flag can you make that noise again what the

Armaninoise you just made what what noise it's like an ant yeah yeah it's like Peter Griffin no I can't do it you called me out on it or like a 1920s mobster yeah she yeah

Kacemy hopes up we can see it after the show what about you I'd say for me my red flag is that I schedule like everything in my life so

Kacethat's not a red flag I don't know but like in my own relationship like it's made me very like strict wait so hold on yeah you schedule everything so it's like okay

Brian Atlasyeah gonna be a little foreplay at 10 20 that's when there's penetration is that like is that the degree of planning that you do no

Brian Atlasthen how is it a red flag actually I'd love that if a girl was like okay Brian there's going to be 10 minutes of foreplay like if we have a date I'll plan like everything at 10 10. we're gonna do 10 minutes of floor play then we're gonna do I don't know if I

Matt (StaySafeTV)that that's that's a little too assertive I think but yeah and then at 10 20 there's going to be insertion okay do you do you want a dominant woman not

Matt (StaySafeTV)do you want a dummy mommy is what they say no I'm I don't want that okay no like riding crops black no black leather okay no no no you can be honest if you're

Brian Atlasincredibly submissive you can just own up no I'm not I'm not if you're just a submissive man you can accept that we can talk about that I I do like when when like there can be like a little I

Brian Atlaslike when women do initiate okay but I'm like dominant okay I like submissive this isn't such an oxymoron I like submissive initiation okay

Brian Atlasif that makes any [ __ ] sense whatsoever no I get I get that okay like for example you could be submit like a girl could be submissive and be like ask you permission to do something in a

Matt (StaySafeTV)submissive way um but she she the question is initiating huh her asking that question is initiating and that's what you want sure okay all right anyway

Brian Atlasso wait what we were talking about your red flags which apparently I was going to red flag though no but I mean that

Brian AtlasI get really butt hurt I don't think that's wrong though I think that's like perfectly reasonable yeah I think it's reasonable that's like boundaries I totally because I think it's rude to be late to cancel plans to be flaky yeah

Brian Atlasum I think a lot of people are way too comfortable especially with cell phones now to just like add a whim either cancel plans or people like are very blase about being late but I think it's incredibly rude let's talk about dating for example if someone's like 30 minutes

Brian Atlaslate to a first date I think that's a really bad first impression super rude even worse if they uh it's okay like if someone's like 10 minutes late and they apologize then it's no big deal but if like they're super late or they're

Gia Chaconsomewhat late but they don't like give you at least a token apology yeah and they're like I think I think that's a bad look well I think at 30 minutes it's like deliberate at that point it's like you I mean oh you should

Matt (StaySafeTV)you have to try yeah you don't wait longer than you think they're trying to make a power play is what they're trying to play that's at the beginning of the relationship because like now I'm like two years in so it's like can you accept it I know I just try to be more

Brian Atlasunderstanding if yeah well I think they're like some people temperamentally are like less like and I think it's also a cultural thing too yeah like in certain countries it's kind of like a

Brian Atlaslittle bit oh if someone says show up at a certain time I don't know if I think they've said this about like Italy and Spain it's kind of a little more like casual it's just like being late isn't a big deal but like in

Brian AtlasGermany or like it's like really [ __ ] rude to be late yeah and at least me personally I think it's really rude like to be late because usually I'm like ready like 15 minutes well you're watching from Germany yeah

Matt (StaySafeTV)this Pops in my head so if we're in the US I say hey see you tomorrow or I'll say hey I'll say hey see you later in the US it's like well we might not ever see each other again in Germany if you say hey see you later they'll say uh win

Unknown (PA model)when will we see each other tomorrow at nine yeah it's definitely it's much more literal uh red flags for you um I am an extremely picky eater

Brian Atlasso it's really hard to eat out with me it's hard to eat healthy yeah because I just I want what I want and so and are

Brian Atlasyou also indecisive where you want to eat yes so you're super picky so a guy might be like and you're indecisive too so a guy might say okay well let's go get this and then you're like no no I

Riaandon't want that yeah exactly okay that's how it goes yeah okay good times yeah good times what about you red flag I would say

Brian Atlasum I'm an overthinker as well overthink her okay so like the guy doesn't text you back after five minutes and you're like he's definitely cheating on me type [ __ ]

Gracenecessarily I feel like I definitely I think I've chilled out a little bit okay yeah what about you I think I can be like really stubborn to the point where I'm bratty mm-hmm

Matt (StaySafeTV)kind of a crazy family okay I get that how is how is your family crazy

Gracemy mom is like really into other cultures to the point where sometimes she like dresses

Gracelike she like verges on transracial also she's just kind of like just because just because she's wearing different clothes or no

Gracecultures to every conversation like the food she eats also she's just like generally in

Gracegeneral a character my dad is also a a character as well he wears like crazy tie-dye shirts and he lives in

Gracethis like Casino in Vegas he lives in a casino yes he's always got like a different business well I met him when I was 21 but ever since then he's always got like a different business

Gracecard for some weird project he's working on one time was like a poker chip one time like he one time he was in like the UFO uh Discovery business he had a

Graceholographic one it's kind of a lot but whoa I got a pretty interesting family I don't know if it's a red flag but it's certainly worth noting so if we're dating one day I meet your

Gracemom she might be Jamaican the next day I meet her and she's no it's nice it's

Graceit's gotten really into like we're Jewish so she's also gotten really really into that culture over time but okay I mean I try and you know

Graceunderstand her but my family is in Ohio too which might be another red flag I'm from Ohio huh yeah that's a red flag Ohio definitely huge we don't need a

Brian Atlashuge red flag no one from Ohio okay last Super Chat Joe Hall thanks for the uh 50 soup chat no message merci beaucoup my friend okay before we wrap up here um

Brian Atlasdoes anyone have any final thoughts before we wrap up are you doing the after show tonight I think not it's pretty late on it's pretty late unless we could do like 10 minutes we'll do 10

Gia Chaconminute after show and then rap um final thoughts anybody speak now or forever old sure I just want to encourage everyone watching now and everyone who listens to this podcast and

Gia Chaconeveryone on the podcast that you were just created for a purpose and when it comes to relationships and dating I really want to encourage people to seek

Gia Chaconout love and Fidelity and to not be afraid to sacrifice and to love wholeheartedly and I think you'll find that you're more fulfilled and happier

Gia Chaconwhen you do that so those are my final thoughts also if you're interested in anything I spoke about at the beginning my non-profit organization is for the martyrs and again we are raising

Gia Chaconawareness about the crisis of Christian persecution over 360 million Christians around the world are facing death imprisonment loss of their businesses

TTS Readertorture and even death of their family members solely because of their faith so Bender the offender donated 99 as a person from Ohio we don't claim blue

Gia Chaconhair so if you're interested in learning more about Christian persecution or just understanding these statistics you can follow us on Instagram at merch for the

Kacemartyrs or go to our website for the martyrs.com anybody over here final father um I'll just say thank you to everyone for sharing their perspectives and equally hearing out mine

Brian Atlasthank you very much for coming thank you for letting us on here yeah oh thank you guys for coming yeah thank you for everything well so I just have a question for you you requested you requested to be on the show um I feel like you came here well I

Brian Atlasdon't I'm not I'm not trying to like paint you in a certain way but is there anything that I've said that you disagree with like in previous shows that you wanted to like debate me on because I you know because

Brian Atlasyou you you said you're a feminist liberal whatever and so I was curious if like you had any uh yeah you're like okay I'm gonna show

Riaanthis guy no but I actually I I haven't seen too many of the podcast episodes actually I just found out about it um two days ago from my ex

Brian Atlasum oh your ex-watches yeah he does is that why you guys broke up you're like how dare you watch this [ __ ] no terrible podcast we're so done

Riaanum I think there was seeing the conversation I have no idea there was a conversation about the about the wage yeah being real is that what you wanted to talk about it's not something I wanted to talk about but

Brian Atlasit's something that I definitely remembered okay anything else or so you don't believe the wage Gap is real no not really I don't I think it's a myth

Matt (StaySafeTV)it's been debunked has it yeah it's been the fun it got thoroughly debunked thoroughly by multiple Anonymous sources multiple multiple people from inside the

Matt (StaySafeTV)Pentagon inside the head's gone the CI yeah the CIA it actually got rebunked and then it got debunked again um

Brian Atlas100 good stuff y'all wage Gap is not real oh wow without I don't know how quickly he typed that up that [ __ ] if the wage Gap is not real

Matt (StaySafeTV)then why did he make a hundred dollars and these women just made zero wow think about that that's great actually we're not getting paid intentionally sorry say that again like when they made

Gracethose ways that statistics that you said are debunked since they're debunked do you think they were put out intentionally wrong or it was like a mistake that made them not real like what like from from what I mean Brian do

Graceyou want to answer first like what the question is is it Miss Lee what like so people believe that there's a wage yeah based on these statistics but you said it's debunked right so do you think

Brian Atlasthose statistics weren't or intentionally put out wrong or it was just somehow a mistake well I mean the wage Gap essentially is it's it's very it's a very misleading

Brian Atlasnumber because the office I mean there you hear different numbers but you hear for example women make 79 cents on the dollar as compared to Men Women Make 83 cents on the dollar as compared to men

Brian Atlashowever that's that's not how you do any sort of statistical analysis so what the wage Gap does is you know there's multi-varied analysis of it's a very the

Brian Atlaseconomy is a very complex complex thing you cannot just simply and this is what the wage Gap is it looks at all the money that the women that women make in this country and you compare to all the

Brian Atlasmoney that the men make in this country I think we can all agree that's a fairly oversimplified way to look at differences between the genders aggregate wages don't compare saying pay

Brian Atlasfor same work and when you compare differences in wages for same work it's usually less hours worked yeah so the wage Gap that's often cited again some

Brian Atlaslet's say it's 79 cents to the dollar compared to men that's taking all the money that women make comparing it to all the money that men make you're not accounting for

Brian Atlastype of job type of educational achievement that they've had when it comes to degree attainment you're not looking at uh Hazard pay which meant

Brian Atlastypically are more likely to receive Hazard pay it's not looking at uh did I did I already say hours worked it's not looking at specific career Fields it's

Brian Atlasnot looking at uh seniority it's really not looking at anything besides really really basic numbers so you think it was wrong because it was just done incorrectly there

Matt (StaySafeTV)I think there was probably some agenda I think I think it's pushing some sort of some sort of like yeah I think it's pushing some sort of equity agenda versus some sort of equality like opportunity of equality versus Equity of outcome I think it's pushing some sort

Graceof agenda was such a commonly believed thing and like who put it out when you're saying it's like off well I think if it's the narrative that man men bad yeah

Matt (StaySafeTV)for or we're done no it's what Brian said also men are more willing to work overnight shifts which generally pay higher they're working to do overtime also women generally not all women but a lot of women will take two or three years off of their career and they'll have a

Brian Atlaschild and then maybe they'll get into a career it just was like a lot of factors that weren't included it was lacking a lot of nuance yeah you yeah the question you need to ask yourself is not whether

Brian Atlasit exists and by the way so there's no pay Gap or wage Gap there is an earnings Gap but the question you need to ask yourself is not whether it exists but

Brian Atlaswhy it exists and the answer is it's not sexism there's many reasons for earnings Gap uh one of the big ones I forgot to mention aside from hours worked and uh career field uh you know you look at

Brian AtlasCollege which actually the majority we don't look at the gap in college where it's like 60 women who are going to college getting degrees ever since then that since 1979 there's been more women who are going to college than men we

Brian Atlasdon't really look at that anymore as soon as it it's it's inequality when men are advantaged but once women are envantaged in some Paradigm all of a sudden it's oh well now you've had equality even though it's not

Brian Atlasum you're not looking you're not taking into account when it comes to the earnings Gap women's own choices so women make certain choices that lend

Brian Atlasto uh the supposed wage Gap or what is in actuality earnings Gap for example if you look at the top 10 paying fields of

Brian Atlasstudy in University men predominate in the top 10 I don't know if it's either the top five or top ten uh majors whereas women predominate in the lowest paying Majors or disciplines in

Brian Atlasuniversities so but it doesn't take into account you know different hours worked by men different types of jobs many other factors and I mean we can talk about gaps though there's all kinds of gaps we

Brian Atlascan talk about uh the you know more likely to die on the job Gap 90 93 of workplace fatalities are men so we can talk let's talk about gaps

Brian Atlasum you know you can you can make the argument that should a job where you're likely to die at should that pay more well it happens to be the case that there are more men in jobs where you're likely to be to die you're more likely to be injured

Brian Atlasyou're more for example let's we could talk about the more likely to be electrocuted to death Gap the more likely to be crushed to death Gap the more likely to fall to their death Gap more likely to be injured on the job Gap

Brian Atlaswell these this is all predominated by men but we don't really talk about that so you know Good Times did I I kind of rambled there but I

Riaandon't know if you ever wanted to have a back and forth on the wage Gap I feel like I need to do more research before I speak on the topic okay

Brian Atlasgood times I think that's a that's a good opinion to have that's a good thing yeah that's fine yeah what's that I said good night yeah yeah um

Brian Atlasyeah we're gonna wrap up here soon uh okay last question I had let me just double check make sure we're not missing any chats I don't want to like screw anybody over here oh do we have okay we have a cup coming in um

Brian Atlasjust oh really quick on this whole like kind of some of the feminine stuff just show of hands who here considers himself to be a feminist Chopin's raise them high if you are I've not taken a feminist studies class so I don't really know I mean I want to say

Gia Chaconyeah Haram what do you mean by feminists I feel like like women advocating for women or like just like yeah like a

Gracefeminist but not extreme can you like I believe I used to know what like you're like the definition of a feminist is I've been thinking about sure because I feel like a lot of it has like extreme

Brian Atlasconnotations but I don't know if that's like actually sure well okay feminism is an ideology um my you probably shouldn't ask me what my definition of it is no I just want

Brian Atlaseverybody like the definition no I mean they're you you can ask if you've been feminists and they will all give you different definitely I just want to know like the official one well okay the most like from Webster or whatever sure if if I'm being charitable

Gracefeminists purports that they fight for equality but I mean that's that's really not true see that's why I was reluctant because I feel like the like definition of

Matt (StaySafeTV)feminism to some isn't the same like yeah no I think I think it's a fairer assessment right so feminism seven years ago meant something different than feminism means today like I feel like

Gracenow it has like extreme connotations and like woke connotations but like to some people it might not mean that so sure sure um yeah I mean so just in the last two or three years the word feminism has

Matt (StaySafeTV)changed in some ways that we probably shouldn't get into in the podcast clear definition oh I'm sorry no I mean like you know feminism 70 80 years ago was talking about giving women the right to vote and own property and get bank loans and things like this and now feminism

Matt (StaySafeTV)these days has shifted from a quality of opportunity to a quality of outcome which is not not exactly super desirable it's sort of it's not even possible Right for reasons we just talked about with Brian

Matt (StaySafeTV)in the wage Gap and feminism is starting to become yeah I feel like even the meaning of the word feminism can be like taken in many different ways well you're also seeing right now sort of a civil war within feminism itself where you

Matt (StaySafeTV)have feminists that are accepting of trans women and then feminists that are not these are called turfs right the radical Trend yeah and so there's sort of the the feminist Civil War so I don't

Graceknow so I feel like there's a war between the two

Gia Chaconwell men and women should have equal rights and equal protection under the law men and women absolutely have equal dignity but men and women are not the same and I think today's

Gia Chaconfeminist movement and maybe even the beginning of or at some point the feminist movement movement transformed from advocating for equal rights and equal protection to now saying that not

Gia Chacononly are men and women supposedly the same which they're not that somehow men are bad and that's what I think a lot of the narrative is coming out of out of today's feminist movement because like I don't believe that like I don't think

Gracemen are bad like I don't feel like against men if anything I want to try and like understand them more and like coexist with Memoir but I do believe like women should be treated equally

Gia Chaconwith respect so equal but not the same men and women are different but they have they should have equal rights equal protection and have equal dignity

Brian Atlasword okay so you're uh you consider yourself to be a feminist correct so since you can you have a sense of what that means what just really quick what's your like sense of what if being a

Riaanfeminist is or what is feminism um Gia I feel like worded it perfectly um we actually had a conversation about this before we went in and I feel like she said it perfectly

Matt (StaySafeTV)that men and women are different but they're both necessary and should be respected with equal rights absolutely really are you sure that's with you yeah why what do you what did you think it was gonna be well I mean

Brian Atlasyou know what though I think a lot of people will claim that's what it is but um

Brian AtlasI don't really think feminists really fight for equality today well even because we have equal rights under the law yeah and I mean even historically but uh to some degree but I

Brian Atlasdon't think feminism is a true equality Movement we have something called egalitarianism which I think is much more uh appropriate term for people who are seeking true equality uh I mean feminism

Brian Atlasin my estimation is in the most charitable sense is women's advocacy there's nothing wrong with women's advocacy however that's not the same as equality or someone who

Brian Atlasfights for equality because you you wouldn't for example find feminists uh try if there was something

Brian Atlaswhere men were either discriminated against or where men had some sort of detriment in society feminists are not

Brian Atlasfighting for men in any capacity and in fact if if equality would were to come in some conceivable way at the detriment

Brian Atlasof women feminists would fight against said equality to secure the preferential treatment of women

Brian Atlasso let's take for example uh the draft right now men are the exclusive only men in the United States are

Brian Atlassubject to military conscription forced military conscription women are exempt you're never like feminists will fight tooth and nail to prevent women from

Brian Atlasalso being subject to the draft even though that would be equality no I don't I don't think military conscription is a desirable thing but let's be honest we cannot it's we're not

Brian Atlasgoing to be able to get rid of the draft for I mean there's there's geopolitical reasons why you cannot get rid of a draft but um yeah

Matt (StaySafeTV)more yeah and so and so yeah so you don't see women advocating for hey we want to be a part of Selective Service that's not a talking point of modern feminists right you don't see modern feminists uh pushing back against 64

Matt (StaySafeTV)percent of um male infants getting circumcised no one no one's no no feminist is talking about that right about it well I think a really good

Brian Atlasexample is in Florida there was a bill that was proposed to I think default it would be split custody in the case of if there was a divorce or you know the

Brian Atlasparents were having a custody dispute uh the bill was proposed to create equality whereas both men and women could have like guaranteed split custody and it

Brian Atlaswould not just default to women and a bunch of women's organizations feminist organizations actually fought against fought against that bill I don't know

Brian Atlasthe specific uh details of the bill but one of the biggest I think now now which is a major feminist women's organization uh they uh they fought against the bill and

Brian AtlasI think the the governor at the time I forgot who it was uh ended up vetoing uh the bill so it didn't get passed so I mean feminists will fight against

Brian Atlasequality if said equality comes us conceivably at the detriment of women in some way so uh I guess a lot of feminist

Brian Atlasorganizations are against assumed shared uh custody of of children um and it's not I think I don't know what the breakdown is by the various States in this country but I definitely know that uh typically women are going

Brian Atlasto be if there's a custody dispute more likely the the family court system there's a bias there the women are more likely to be awarded uh majority custody or full custody I'll know the exact

Brian Atlasdetails well in California well perhaps that's one way California has a good I'm not sure I'd have to look at up the uh state-specific details when it comes to custody of children

Brian Atlasum I have one one question for you though so uh feminist um do you believe that women are oppressed do you believe that well I believe that

Brian Atlasmen have more privilege than women you have you believe men have more privilege than women okay yeah um but so do you believe women

Riaanum sorry um I feel like sorry let me gather my thoughts I'm feeling very sleepy um it's late maybe we can have you back on yeah that would be great actually so

Gia ChaconI could come back with more research sure um like the press secretary yeah

Gia Chaconnext time we'll all bring our laptops a little piece of paper PowerPoint tell you what we'll save it for next time how's that sound okay what was the

Brian Atlasquestion again uh what I was just asking uh well we can save it for next time how's that sound okay but I want to prepare and research and oh I was just asking so it's like well your feminist like do you

Matt (StaySafeTV)think that that women are oppressed and why huh okay yeah sure what what is male privilege I guess is part of the question male privilege in what ways are men privileged

Riaanmany ways I'm so sorry I'm really blanking out right now it's almost it's almost one in the morning yeah really really it's so late very late okay I think that's let me

Brian Atlasjust double check okay we're good okay uh I'm before we wrap any last last thoughts before I wrap up are you left-handed I am oh are you looking I think she was asking me I am

Armaniokay that's some no that's some big red flags right there what the [ __ ] do you know like a scholarship for that 12 we're the top 12 percent dude more white people

Armaniget divorced than are left-handed people right making a fake statistics yeah I think uh honestly we can talk

Brian Atlasabout like you know racial privilege gender privilege but like handed privilege yeah honestly I want reparations I should get reparations

Brian Atlaswho here is right-handed me the show of hands who's right-handed is there any left-handed people here oh what's up bro okay on average left-handed people solidarity

Gia Chaconand more likely to be left-handed than women I don't think so I'm not sure

Brian Atlasmy brain where I'm like that might be true yo here's here's what listen is anyone here in favor of reparations no okay we are left-handed you guys are

Brian Atlasright-handed I want you guys to get your purse purses right now and give us money for what you guys have inflicted Upon Us historically we are on our list we are historically oppressed as left-handed

Brian Atlaspeople have you seen [ __ ] scissors [ __ ] that [ __ ] [ __ ] scissors son everybody have you seen desks when you're a kid the desk oh the desk the little thing the little nub that's the desk nub it's on the right-handed side

Brian AtlasSun true do you know how much I suffer do you know how much I suffered at huh what does that have to do with your left arm your arm is like on the arm

Matt (StaySafeTV)oh I guess people have longer arms you know back in the day the teachers used to beat it out of the kids so if you were a kid and you were inclined to write with your left hand they'd walk around with a rod and they'd smack your hands yeah she's just trying to feel it

Brian Atlaslisten abuse I want all of you to go get your purses and you need to pay us me and Matt here for the Discrimination that we have

Brian Atlasfaced so much without history throughout our lives okay millions of dollars I want 20 bucks from each of you if I have 20 bucks in my purse oh that's why

Brian Atlasyou're about Brandon okay no no okay cool um we're gonna wrap there I want to uh give a big big thank you should we do uh body count really quick we should do

Matt (StaySafeTV)one more power gum listen oh my God you should go by power gum I'm telling you if you are sick of all these other trash energy supplements power gum look let me let me open this up here

Matt (StaySafeTV)it's a little sleeve Shameless shame you are Shameless you are [ __ ] you guys want a power gum yeah please slide it open and try

Armanisomething yeah there you go they're really good you're gonna like them okay yeah best energy ever got him hooked

Matt (StaySafeTV)six more attics chew through it give it 30 seconds get it chewing oh my God I'm telling you wait okay while you guys are chewing no privilege body counts

Brian Atlasbody count should body um anybody want to share their body

Brian Atlasreally good so guys uh last call please hit that like button on your way out guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime sub thank you for tuning in tonight you could have been anywhere in the world but you're here

Brian Atlaswith me I appreciate that thank you to everyone who super chats donates and supports the show should we do it after show anyone want to stick around for the after show are you guys all cool for a little while that's fine I think Matt do you want to

Brian Atlasrun the after show well uh yeah sure yeah I need to go back okay cool um thank you to everyone who soup chats donates and supports the show uh big thank you to the panel really appreciate it thank you guys for coming uh we went really [ __ ] late I need to figure out

Brian Atlashow to end these shows sooner um so thank you guys for your patience while we went super late here uh any women who want to be on the show DM at whatever on Instagram we will be live again

Brian AtlasSunday wait stay Tuesday actually we we might do a show with adam22 from no jumper uh he's been kind of uh you know in in the news recently because

Brian Atlasof uh some things with his wife letting his wife do a scene with another dude uh we might have him on on Friday maybe it's the details are getting worked out

Brian Atlasso we might do an off show off day show on Friday if not we will be back Sunday at 7 pm Pacific thank you so much for tuning in there is one Super Chat that just came in really quick I'll read it

Brian Atlasreally I'll read it very fast uh men build women occupy from Francisco Sanchez Jr okay thank you for uh triggering the ladies on your way I appreciate that Jeff the truth bringer

Brian Atlasthank you for that okay cool uh thanks again for tuning in everyone very much appreciated Sunday 7 P.M Pacific our is our next show we'll see you next time guys hope you guys have a good night

Matt (StaySafeTV)amazing are we still live or is it oh okay

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RiaanI'm so sleepy I thought that was a [ __ ] real person

Brian AtlasAlly you like it yeah

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Matt (StaySafeTV)sit on next time okay oh I peed I'm feeling so good hi Chad

Matt (StaySafeTV)it's your favorite uh tradcon simp is what someone called me it's your favorite Trad con simp

Matt (StaySafeTV)ly yo what's up

Matt (StaySafeTV)I know right here anywhere you want what's your name again Case Case hi okay and you're just going to school in the area

Matt (StaySafeTV)okay wow San Diego what are you studying second brain psych and what brain science brain science okay okay

Matt (StaySafeTV)I uh I've been streaming full-time now for five years is what I've been doing oh okay streaming on Twitch every day [Music] really what I like to do it's a

Matt (StaySafeTV)beautiful Fusion of playing World of Warcraft and complaining about politics and we talked a lot about some of these issues and stuff but uh I think like those

Matt (StaySafeTV)yeah yeah no doubt no I think I think I guess namely I'm kind of speaking to young men in the audience in this audience or my audience because I think a lot of people would

Matt (StaySafeTV)acknowledge are sort of a young men's mental health epidemic no one really is giving a [ __ ] about young men I think every single young man this is the problem this is the reason why I hate young men okay or men in general I hate

Matt (StaySafeTV)them men are super eager to acknowledge you have men's mental health it's [ __ ] up no one gives a [ __ ] about us no one's talking about it but the second you start proposing some sort of solution it's like okay we need to be disciplined you need to stop smoking this or

Matt (StaySafeTV)drinking this or jerking off to this or doing then it's like oh well uh no no it's like well listen if you're gonna acknowledge there of some sort of issue we have to actually get nitty-gritty and

Matt (StaySafeTV)talk about ways to actually sort of Rectify these issues so then you have guys like this angry Casper who gets mad about it loser angry Casper loser l l angry

Brian AtlasCasper sorry I'm I'm berating your chat right now okay oh by the way we're gonna lower should I just [ __ ] Meme and lower the TTS to like 10 bucks or something

Brian Atlasum dude set it to one oh this one came through while we were gone

Matt (StaySafeTV)do you manufacture or do you use a contract manufacturer uh let me see do you remember oh no I have a manufacturer I work with yeah us-based manufacturer two years ago well two and a half I was

Matt (StaySafeTV)shopping around so I'm looking at Chinese manufacturers I'm looking at Canadian Mexican I settled on us because I well really I just wanted to make it in the U.S if you make it in China who knows if

Matt (StaySafeTV)there's arsenic or rat poison in your uh in your gum for the guy that said I'm a I'm a messengerist apologizing here's the thing like with some of the takes I'm giving I'm actually concerned that they're

Matt (StaySafeTV)misogynistic that they're actually anti-woman because I tend to put more how can I put this agency or emphasis on the decision of man which

Matt (StaySafeTV)I think I think maybe if you're like brain dead that's like yeah you're you're hand waving all of the female Behavior but it's like really I'm just kind of putting extra emphasis on the

Matt (StaySafeTV)behavior of man uh which is like maybe kind of misogynistic Maybe am I a misogynist I come off as misogynistic to you you think

Armaniyou have that to really show like major red flags yeah cool you're actually advocating sometimes for women yeah so I was like slave but well I'm like this is one of the problems with the whole red pill Spirits like it's super super every

Matt (StaySafeTV)man is super eager to blame women for all their problems but then they have zero percent introspection and realizing that okay you know what I'm actually responsible for some of the ways that I am conducting myself but also the way in which society is evolving men kind of

Brian Atlasneed to uh is that for does anybody want like a kind of Browning banana anybody I'm all right thank you okay just thought I'd offer thank you

Brian Atlaswhat what did I miss oh yeah I'm gonna okay yeah I'm talking about why men suck pretty much okay so you guys one of you goes to CC one of you goes to UCSB

Armaniand then it was love was it Love at First sighted when you met each other I mean she has no real red flag she's like really the nicest person I've ever met so I'm like kind of happy I met her

Armaniwait but I like said your protein powder thing I'm sorry someone I actually ran the chat someone said that's really actually a green flag so it is a green flag I just had to say something yeah I

Brian Atlashave to make sure it's precise my fault Oh wrong okay we're gonna make TTS uh we're gonna do TTS 10 and up if any of

Brian Atlasyou psychos want to [ __ ] just that might be a mistake but you said it to 10 you said ten dollars oh for TGs let it rip what is TTS that's the Texas speech when the robot oh so we're just gonna

Brian Atlastalk over it oh cool yeah by the way I was disappointed in you because you did not hold like insane psycho status [ __ ] icon or oh I can still do that if you want

Armanioh hey my girl in blue came back for the afternoon y'all gotta convince Brian to have me on the show oh shoot should I come back and you join

Matt (StaySafeTV)friend I'm also in purple so we love a little colorblind Brandon only 10 when I first met you it was a thousand only ten really did you just meet him today yeah I mean it is and he was dropping a

Armanithousand dollar donuts and now he's dropped down to ten so I'm like uh I don't know only 10. what do you guys think of the popcorn thing is it kind of funny or is it kind of wait can you reiterate though the

Brian Atlaspopcorn right yeah I don't really I didn't get it well like there's there's a bunch of memes where it's like someone's eating popcorn it's kind of like oh this is an entertaining moment oh

Armanino yeah pretty good though oh [ __ ] is it at least like buttered yes please yes I was actually waiting for you yes six hours here without your hands like needy children

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Brian AtlasI'm here to support Brandon on it yo meatball thank you man um what's that stupid like thing from uh thank you sir can I have something with

Brian Atlasme you know what's up or something you sir can I have another I just want popcorn okay wait what just pour me some popcorn

Armaniokay thank you oh my God it's okay the table's cleaning okay you can eat off the table I'm okay we need to make corn illegal

Matt (StaySafeTV)wow because because because because that's why corn syrup is making everyone fat and dumb we gotta get rid of it corn equals fat people we gotta get rid

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