4'11 Girl REFUSES To Date 5'7 Guy?! | Dating Talk #83

Date: 2023-07-12

Duration: 6h 32m

Guests

Brian Atlas

UUnknown (PA model, DT83)>

AArmani (DT83)>

MMadison (DT94)>

MMatt (StaySafeTV)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Grace(guest)

SPEAKER_03Matt (StaySafeTV)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_05Gia Chacon(guest)

SPEAKER_06Unknown (PA model)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_08Riaan(guest)

SPEAKER_09Kace(guest)

SPEAKER_10Armani(guest)

Key Moments

IntroGrace introduces herself: 29yo, social media/stand-up comedy/OnlyFans, LA. "I do be funny on TikTok."

“my name's Grace I'm 29 I do social media and I do comedy as well”

QuoteArmani (4'11") reveals she refused to date the 5'7" guy who introduced her to her 6'3" situationship partner. Brian shows meme on screen: "sorry I don't take guys below 6 feet" — it is Armani.

“obviously like I'm gonna upgrade friends no offense because that dude was like five seven”

RelationshipRiaan (5'2"): minimum height 5'5" because she wears platforms.

“I'd like to date someone who's at least five five I guess because I wear a lot of platforms”

RelationshipKace (4'11"): boyfriend is 5'7"; has dated men as short as 5'2". Mom taller than dad (5'3" vs 5'1").

“my boyfriend is five seven so he's a short King oh you're four eleven too but yeah”

Key MomentRiaan reveals she got legally married at 20 while on shrooms as a joke with a 1-month boyfriend. Separated Dec 30; filing for annulment. "We did it because we thought it would be funny."

“I am 21 years old I'm originally from the... I'm actually married too I forgot”

RelationshipMadison: ex was 5'6" with no issue; current boyfriend Frankie is ~5'11"; has a promise ring.

“my boyfriend's like 5 11. he sometimes he says six foot but the shortest they all do”

ControversyArmani insists height was only "a plus" and states minimum she would date is 5'7" despite being 4'11".

“the highest was a plus what would you do if what if I'm if I'm trying to date a guy”

QuoteArmani: even a 5'1" muscular wealthy man would be worse because "he's gonna look like a little Roblox dude."

“what if the guy is five foot one but he makes 300 Grand a year Andy's Jack he's muscular no that's even worse”

QuoteMatt to short guys in the audience: "any woman that's into you really loves you. It's a built-in default vetting process."

“short guys in the audience you are so lucky if you're five six you're five seven”

ControversyBrian reveals the meme "sorry I don't take guys below 6 feet" is actually Armani, pointing out irony of a 4'11" girl refusing a 5'7" man. Panel reacts.

“perfect that's actually you yeah um rip yeah he was five seven and you're four eleven right”

RelationshipPA model: minimum height 5'5" due to wearing platforms; does not care much about height otherwise.

“I'm gonna agree with her I'm 5'2 as well I think five five is like the shortest that I would consider dating”

Key MomentPA model reveals she ended her situationship that morning: ~3 months exclusive, no apps, no title. He wanted more time; she wanted commitment.

“I just said like you know I don't see it going anywhere if it's not gone anywhere this far”

ControversyBrian reads Riaan's pre-show: "most people should be non-monogamous." Riaan clarifies she meant exploring non-monogamy, reduce stigma. Gia pushes back strongly with statistics.

“most people should start considering non-monogamy because I didn't mean to cut you off”

Key MomentGia defends monogamy: cites American Family Study; argues for sacrificial relationships; states Christian belief in one man/one woman.

“Partners feel happier and more fulfilled when they're in monogamous relationships”

Key MomentGia describes humanitarian work: Jordan, Iraq (2022), Armenia (2020 Azerbaijan-Armenia war) providing crisis relief to persecuted Christians.

“I was in Iraq in um 2022 I brought humanitarian Aid to internally displaced Christians”

Key MomentMatt cites DNA research: 40% of men historically reproduced vs 80% of women; argues top-tier men access most women.

“if you look at two uh like my wife and I are both white we both got married for the first time”

QuoteMadison shares her mother passed away when she was 11, leaving just her father. Felt safer and more financially secure with two parents.

“unfortunately my mom passed away when I was 11 and specifically I didn't know that”

OtherBrian post-show: panel "a little frustrating" with some bad-faith arguments. Accepts partial responsibility for not having stronger prepared arguments.

“tonight's panel was a little frustrating I mean um I I think she was a little bit bad faith”

OtherBrian and Matt (both left-handed) jokingly demand reparations from right-handed guests for historical discrimination against left-handed people.

“I want all of you to go get your purses and you need to pay us me and Matt here”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions & relationship status round

Guests introduce themselves: name, age, occupation, location. Then go around table on current relationship status. Notable: Riaan broke up with bf 1 day prior; PA model ended situationship that morning; Armani has never officially dated but had 2-year FWB situation; Gia is 7 months into a relationship; Madison has a promise ring from Frankie; Matt is married.

Height preferences in dating

Discussion of height requirements for men on dating apps. Armani (4'11") refuses men under 5'7", despite being 4'11"; episode meme shown on screen at ~32:07. Each guest shares height and minimum preference. Extended discussion on whether men lie about height on dating apps, short kings, and the 6'3" vs 5'7" comparison Armani made.

Traditional relationships, marriage and vetting partners

Brian and Matt discuss vetting partners carefully before marriage. Debate on whether marriage is worth it, the analogy of entering a business partnership. Gia argues relationships are sacrificial not transactional. Discussion of who should pay on first dates.

Social media and modern dating problems

Discussion of how social media and dating apps have changed dating dynamics. Women accused of chasing top 5-10% of men on apps. Brian introduces statistics on singleness.

Marriage statistics and divorce rates

Matt presents divorce rate statistics: national average ~45%, but first-time married couples ~35%, and for white first-time married couples only ~13%. Argues 50% divorce stat is inflated by serial divorcees. Debates "anti-marriage propaganda."

Monogamy vs. non-monogamy

Riaan advocates for people to consider non-monogamy and reduce stigma. Gia defends monogamy as statistically better and morally grounded in Christian values. Grace discusses having opened a previous LDR and it going badly. Matt and Brian cite statistics showing monogamous relationships lead to better outcomes for children, lower abuse rates, etc.

Single-parent households and family structure

Discussion of crime statistics and single-parent households. Matt says 1/4 of US children lack a father figure; correlates with crime across all categories. Guests share personal experiences: several grew up in divorced/separated households. Madison lost her mother at 11. Matt and his brother grew up without a dad after parents divorced when he was in 2nd grade.

Promiscuity statistics and hypergamy

Brian presents data: 63% of men ages 18-29 report being single vs 34% of women same age. Debate on whether women or men are more promiscuous on average. Discussion of Tinder/OK Cupid data showing top 10% of men get most female attention. Matt and Brian argue evolutionary basis for female selectivity (pregnancy risk). TTS donation about 40% of men historically reproducing vs 80% of women.

Abortion and reproductive rights

Discussion of abortion; Gia is pro-life (Christian). Debate about at what point life begins, rape exceptions, contraception. Gia discusses her work with persecuted Christians as background context for her values.

Red flags in dating

Panel goes around sharing red flags they have encountered or watch out for in dating. Topics include lateness, social media behavior, bald guys posting photos, etc.

Wage gap and gender equality

Brian presents wage gap statistics; argues it is an earnings gap not a wage gap, caused by choices in career field, hours worked, and risk tolerance, not sexism. Notes 93% of workplace fatalities are men. Riaan declines to debate without more research.

Feminism debate

Show of hands on who identifies as feminist. Riaan says yes; Gia gives nuanced defense of equal rights/dignity but critiques modern feminism. Grace and others unsure of definition. Brian argues feminism is women's advocacy, not equality; cites feminist opposition to shared custody bills and draft registration for women as examples.

Left-handedness reparations (comedic)

Brian and Matt (both left-handed) jokingly demand reparations from right-handed guests, citing historical discrimination against left-handed children. Comedic segment before outro.

Transcript

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Riaansharing happiness and enhancing each other's lives two people two or sorry wait so let's obviously as well I'm conditioned into thinking that you know monogamy is the default

Riaanyou should be that's good conditioning I love that condition I feel like I have some rewiring of my brain that I have to do because um I honestly haven't

RiaanI don't know too many people who are in non-monogamous relationships yeah but those who I do know are very happy I mean this is what I'll tell you like every single stat suggests that

TTS Readermonogamous relationships man woman there we go I cannot talk 100 thank you Mr meatball longest relationship any of you all have in your family backgrounds and

Matt (StaySafeTV)how do you view those relationships this is what every single stat shows is that monogamous we'll come back to that one monogamous relationships own like kids do better monogamous relationships spousal abuse is lower and monogamous relationships versus non-monogamous

Matt (StaySafeTV)relationships there's less spousal jealousy uh divorce rates are lower you can say divorce rates are crazy high divorce rates are lower and monogamous man woman relationships than than uh the non-monogamous relationships they're

Matt (StaySafeTV)just they just seem to work better also I can look just a basic equation okay 50 of my country's population is men fifty percent of my country's population is women if I'm looking for a foundation with which to build my my country to

Matt (StaySafeTV)build my Society I'm looking at one man one woman because otherwise you have an inequal balance and maybe you've got you've got one woman that has 10 men or one man that has 10 women and that leads to some very curious uh problematic sort

Riaanof socio problems social problems exactly you said your Society but there are a lot of society 80s across the world that monogamy isn't the default and like which one that's actually not you're

Gia Chacontalking like Islamic I'm gonna have to that's actually not get back to us on that one randomly I actually looked into the statistic the other day uh for my work because I was

Gia Chaconum just assessing abuse in cases of uh polygamist relationships a lot obviously um you know and I actually had the misunderstanding that this was very prevalent in Islamic societies and

Gia Chaconalthough it's more common in those societies it's actually less than like one percent of the world is in um polygamist marriages or relationships

Gia Chaconpolyamorous whatever the correct term is but anyway so it's it's like less than one percent and actually if you survey those women who are in those relationships they they don't feel happy

Brian Atlaswait question for you was your previous relationship was it non-monogamous I've only been in monogamous relationships oh so then I'm just curious why the big push to

Riaanwhy the big push on non-monogamy well I just I just feel like there's a lot of negative stigma about

RiaanI just don't really see why I mean personally I've only been monogamous but if well then arguments like I think it should be accepted

Riaanand also I actually bring back no but I saw a statistic actually you guys can look it up but I think only 17

Riaanof societies around the world are holy monogamous and I don't know you guys can fact check that but I think that's a statistic I saw isn't I thought monogamy

GraceI'm pretty sure is a norm when you say monogamy because of Western materialism say that again did you say nagami monogamy oh okay okay there's a missing

Gracesyllable or some [ __ ] yeah um I have a funny way of talking it's all good can you monogamous

Gracewhat there's some moment I'm kidding go ahead go ahead don't it's all good when you say monogamy about like people people who are not

Gracecheat or presume Zoom eating on each other like it's or like two people that are agree to be together but not like they're actually not cheating yeah whatever yeah they're actually not treating like it's two

Madisonpeople who are very committed to each other a lot

Matt (StaySafeTV)but how do they know if they say they're monogamous and they never get caught okay so you're comfortable throwing out the entire concept of monogamy because maybe I don't know how many people some people might be cheating

TTS ReaderI'm just asking okay I'm just trying to get clarification all right okay I think oh oh my God yo Bender good to see you man thank you nine dollars think about this if the

TTS Readerwoman in the non-monogamous relationship gets pregnant by another person who is not her boyfriend slash husband the boyfriend or husband may have to pay for that child even though it is not his

Gracewell that's not even really the point the point is loving the child and having the family unit unless they take a DNA test or take the proper steps to find out if it's theirs or not I mean well he

Brian Atlasdoes kind of raise a somewhat related Point as to why and I I'll just touch on this and we'll continue on with a non-monogamy thing but why let's say

Brian Atlasfemale promiscuity is more looked down upon than male promiscuity let's say for example you're a man and you have 10 wives

Brian Atlasyou know in each instance and assuming everybody's loyal to well the 10 women are loyal to the husband you know that

Brian Atlasif if those ten women have children they're all the one guy's kid however if one woman has 10 husbands

Brian Atlasyou can't determine who the father is historically speaking yes now we have uh we have paternity tests we can establish who the father is however that doesn't

Brian Atlasundo hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and just culture and Society where if you know men have a built in we want

Brian Atlasto be able to guarantee paternity that's a real fear that men have that women can never experience a paternity uncertainty so that's why female

Brian Atlaspromiscuity from men men have a stronger uh revulsion uh like instinct to promiscuity the greater

Gia Chaconcrisis here is that we've created a society that teaches us that we can have casual sex and that we don't need to be committed to one each other to one

Gia Chaconanother and when in reality men and women were created for each other obviously I'm Christian I believe that God created each of us for each other

Gia Chaconand that the union that God had in mind for men and women was one was each of them coming together as husband and wife

Gia Chaconand as he shared it's not just good for the person it's good for society is good for the child Society benefits donated 100

TTS Readerstay safe just because divorce rates are lower does not equate to successful relationships divorce is lower because marriage is lower it's also cheaper to

Matt (StaySafeTV)not get a divorce divorce can be expensive stay coping oh okay you're probably okay so marriage rates been going down for 50 years since the 1970s as have divorce rates so

Matt (StaySafeTV)um yeah if you look at the declining divorce rates and declining marriage rates divorce rates are actually going down faster than the declining marriage rates but no doubt the fewer people that get married the fewer people get divorced because there's fewer people that even have the option to get divorced

Matt (StaySafeTV)um I'm I'm talking about the fact that if if I can spout off all of the divorce stats again everyone's been taught 50 divorce rate it's actually like 45 that number is stat padded by people who get divorced two three four five six seven

Matt (StaySafeTV)eight nine ten times if you're a person that's never been married marrying another person's ever been married your national average divorce rate is around 35 percent um but it's different for various socio or racial economic groups

Matt (StaySafeTV)um it's it's like I said it's not as bad you can still say it's too high it is too high so for my group for my demographic it's 13 the first time married individuals getting divorced

Matt (StaySafeTV)I've got a white wife I'm a white man 13 is what it is still too high I think everyone should you know we need to I would I would make a lot of changes about no no fault divorce things like that I want people to vet their Partners more seriously before they get married

Matt (StaySafeTV)in the first place to help prevent some of these problems from manifesting at all but uh my point with the divorce stats and divorce rates is that it's not as bad as you've been conditioned to think it is my point is I think there's a certain degree in our society of

Matt (StaySafeTV)anti-marriage and anti-family propaganda compelling young men to just opt out of of the of the marriage dating pool and of the child rearing pool that's what I think here we'll talk suffer from that

Brian Atlasokay we're going to talk we're going to talk about the marriage stuff a little later we do need to get cut up caught up on a couple chats here so we have and by the way um Mr meatball we will get back to your question Brandon Mills hey thank

Graceyou man good to see you in the chat again holy crap every time the girl with blue actually uh can I have you read this one um holy crap every time the girl with

Gracethe blue hair speaks I feel like I'm having a stroke can I put this video to 1.5 speed also hi Brian and hi Madison

Gracehey thank you good to see you in the chat Brandon do you have do you have a response to him that was directed to you um closer to the mic um you could probably screen record it and speed it up and watch it in your

Gracefree time on 1.5 speed if you if you want to and also are you sure you're not actually just having a stroke

Brian Atlasokay Brandon Mills there you there you have it directly from her great contributions thank you you so much you as well okay doc van abolis uh Matt I'm going to try your gum also I agree that

Brian Atlasthe collapse of the family especially the loss of paternal leadership has led to decline in discipline of young men as well as poor role modeling for young ladies uh absolutely yeah absolutely yeah like I said a moment ago one-fourth of

Matt (StaySafeTV)children right now in the U.S don't have a dad in the house if you look at all crime across all aspects of crime this is assault this is violent crime this is robbery petty crime this is all

Matt (StaySafeTV)sorts of uh sexual abuse crime there's one common denominator amongst almost every single criminal they come from a single parent household it is very very bad for kids to come from a

Matt (StaySafeTV)broken family so like I said if I could snap my fingers and fix one problem in our society it would be to fix the fix the traditional household is it bad though

Armaniso do I I don't think three independent daughters I don't think my mom what I don't think what matters I don't Matt is not saying you are

Brian Atlasdestined to turn out bad if you did grow up in a single parent household however the likelihood it's better to grow up in a two-parent household if you're a fetus inside of a pregnant

Matt (StaySafeTV)woman's stomach right now you should be hoping I've got Mom and Dad not just a mom and no dad I mean oh yeah here we go here we go they'll find out

Gia Chaconwhat is a hypothetical children do better in Mom and Dad households where they have just the exam exam but also the example and the love

Gia Chaconfrom the dad and also children not only benefit from receiving love from their mom and their dad but also witnessing the love of their parents that they have to each other it proves for more

Gracesuccessful more well-rounded children and that doesn't mean that you can't come from a single parent household and still be like a thriving person and a contributing member to society and

Graceovercome like that's that's statistics but I think he's just saying statistically like in general that's what it shows it's harder it's harder for you coming from personal experience

MadisonI grew up in a two-parent household and yeah my parents were together the whole entire time and unfortunately my mom passed away when I was 11 and specifically I didn't know that I feel like I told you that sorry to

Madisonhear that it's okay and basically it was just like my dad for I'm 18 now so for seven eight years like it's been just my dad and I will say coming from personal experience I did feel a lot safer when I

Madisonwas when I had two parents and like I felt more I don't know I guess comfortable like financially like and yeah just things like that I would say

Matt (StaySafeTV)yeah no it's much more challenging yeah my parents oh sorry go ahead I was gonna say my parents got divorced when I was in the second grade um my brother is four years younger than me he grew up with never having it down the house and I didn't have a dad in the

Matt (StaySafeTV)house from a very young age it's much more challenging I've I've done well I've I'm the exceptional I've thrived but um like it's it's a very hard situation to be in for kids it's very very bad it's a very bad situation we cannot

Matt (StaySafeTV)tolerate hand-waving broken households in this Society we are just our society is too down bad right now things are going too poorly to hand wave [ __ ] up households yeah we need we need good families it's important to have like a

Gracepositive people like a male and female role model in their lives and to like see see that interaction because that's how you learn to love and interact with people when you're older

TTS Readerall right we have Mr meatball here um pulling this one back up what's the longest relationship 100 what's the longest relationship any of y'all have in your family backgrounds

Brian Atlasand how do you view those relationships longest relationship any of y'all have in your family backgrounds what is that first thing our relatives like my parents were in high school I don't know relationships

Madisonis this really related to dating like we didn't do have any of you dated a family member I think it means like okay like for example my answer would be is that what you're talking about Mr meatball

MadisonHigh School sweethearts they've been together for a very long time but I look up to I don't know like yeah I think yeah it was a very positive thing yes yeah oh okay so we'll go

Brian Atlasaround the table oh and Mr meeple I'm trying to maybe redirect this a little bit um what's your current you know your parents married are they separated were they ever married um

Graceand how do you are you were you cool if they got divorced when you were young did it upset you go ahead um well I would say my like the longest like successful relationship in my

Gracefamily that I saw would probably be my grandparents well now let's let's just talk about your parents my parents um my mom has never been married but she was with I mean I call him my stepdad

Gracethey weren't legally married but they had that type of relationship um she was with him for 13 years

Riaanum my mom and my dad got divorced when I was three and then my mom remarried um when I was nine or ten I think to my stepdad

Unknown (PA model)okay my parents got married when I was a few months old and they're still together 24 years later my parents are also still together and

Armanihave been married for quite a while so my parents have been together since high school and they actually didn't get married till I was about 10 or 11 and then they ended up divorcing when I was

Armani14. so after they divorced like I never really saw my dad ever like occasionally maybe once every year and now and then but it was I lived with my mom and it was mainly me and my mom was it his

Madisonsorry do you mind if I asked like was it his choice to leave and kind of be absent yeah he didn't really try to be involved okay um the only involvement was really I

Gracedidn't mean my real dad till I was 21. so like you know it's never too late maybe I'll come back yeah can hope it's not hard for you um I mean he was there for a while but

Armanilike he never really like got to know any of us like I love him he's my dad you know he supported us he was there but like realistically I never got close to him he lived with us and I really didn't even know him I know nothing about his

Brian Atlaspast know nothing about his background just know he's my dad but you said that they were together until you were 11 they got married and then at 14 he left

Armaniso I mean didn't for 14 years from in your childhood he he was present uh for about um when I was little it was like on and off

Armaninot until I was about six was he like there every day like it wasn't like he was gone and then okay he was like physically

Gia Chaconfrom the times like six to like 14 yes uh what about you my parents divorced when I was 11 years old um it was super difficult on so I

Gia Chaconactually have five siblings I have four sisters and one brother it was hard on all of us it's still hard today my dad remarried my mom has not remarried yet

Gia Chaconum and it was definitely tough I didn't even know that they didn't have a good marriage until they divorced and um the older I get the more I realize I

Gia Chaconmean obviously I think that my mom was an incredible mom and she stepped up in so many ways and I can't thank my mom enough for all the ways that she sacrificed for our family but I I do see the wound of how it would have been

Matt (StaySafeTV)better for my dad to be in the picture the whole time that we were growing up Madison what about you kind of said mine already yeah I think this is directed at the women I mean if you wanna oh I would say uh I would look at my grandparents my grandma

Brian Atlasand grandpa they've been married 51 years and it's for me that's like inspirational that's that's crazy that's a half half a yeah by the way I just want to uh thank you guys have uh really been uh super

Brian Atlassupportive tonight and appreciate all your patronage via stream Labs tonight uh that's a bit of a change normally a lot of people are doing it through YouTube but thank you guys for doing it through streamlabs as just a reminder if you super chat through YouTube they take

Brian Atlas30 but if you do it through stream labs they just take three percent so uh YouTube certainly doesn't need the money uh you don't need to be putting uh 30 of your patronage that you intend to go

Brian Atlastowards us into the pockets of uh woke megacorp YouTube so I appreciate everybody who's been doing it through streamlabs streamlabs.com whatever if you want to get the TTS or message in uh

Brian Atlaswe do have a couple here from YouTube we have Alvin Sam stay safe your habit of blaming men descended into enabling bad behavior in women Hedonism is entirely on the woman because she has a choice of either that or modesty traditionalism

Brian Atlasespecially when she has a fertility window your logic is unbearable it's unbearable

Matt (StaySafeTV)um my point is listen young men blaming women and pointing their finger at women is not going to do anything for society it's not it's not going to fix you all you have to do is be introspective and look at your own behavior and

Matt (StaySafeTV)improve your behavior and I promise you if you are a disciplined man you'll find a woman to follow I I know you will I know you will but posting on online complaining about the promiscuous

Matt (StaySafeTV)behavior of women however promiscuous they might be and they are is not going to solve the problem you've got to become better that's just the truth that's just the reality just one quick thing and I think this

Brian Atlasmaybe plays into your point that you made earlier about men have a responsibility in this men ought to be leaders because if men men were leaders then that would

Brian Atlasostensibly fix all the issues in society however isn't it isn't leadership a dance to some degree in to be more specific in order to be a

Brian Atlasleader there have to be people willing to follow you is that correct yep do you think that and I think a lot of women want a guy who's like assertive and is a leader you know you'll often see like

Brian Atlasmemes of on dating apps about like you know a lot of girls say like oh I want a guy to pick where we go to eat I want a guy who has like that sort of assertiveness those leadership qualities

Brian Atlasof like being decisive women well women really like decisive men however is there I think there's a component of what a lot of women have been taught through feminism and stuff

Brian Atlasis women want leaders women are attracted to men who are assertive and dominant and leaders and masculine however there's like this other thing

Matt (StaySafeTV)going on where it's like they want leaders but they don't want to follow because let me let me put it this way I don't think that any highly successful traditional man is having a trouble

Matt (StaySafeTV)finding wife if like I'm gonna I'm gonna just say this I can't blame women for not wanting to have a life of tradition given how 90 plus percent of men are in our society there's not enough traditional men to go

Matt (StaySafeTV)around and so no doubt you've got a lot of women that are fed up with the whole tradition thing because men suck men are fat they're lazy they're playing video games all day they're addicted to smoking weed they're drinking alcohol they're watching porn they're subscribing to only fans men are down

Matt (StaySafeTV)bad how can you blame women for not wanting to sign on board with one of these guys face yourself like that's all it comes down to Don't Stop subscribing to only fans though everything else yes

Matt (StaySafeTV)man stop subscribe unsubscribe from her unsubscribe from her right now do it unsolved no I'm kidding

Gracelisten everybody do what they want to do as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else okay everybody's trying to be a better person because I sure am gotta become a better person all you can do is control

Graceyourself become a better person but I'll say it again there's not the same page except for other than that I love what you're saying onlyfans.com whatever do you know what percentage you know what percentage

Graceof men should subscribe to you that are married no I would not like to know that I'm statistic like it would trip me out I

Gracemean statistics would trip you out what like what what percentage of men that subscribe to me that are married but I I told you I was a dancer for many years so I've spent a lot of time in the club

Brian Atlaswith like a real life um experience of that are you used to it strips

Brian Atlastaught me a lot of things okay let me get these other uh some shots here we have send them uh you know what um let's see here let me let me check

Brian Atlassomething before I have okay guys we have oh my guys we have 3 500 people watching but we only have 867 likes

Brian Atlasum as punishment oh my God as punishment um can I have you Gia right yeah oh sorry your Gia hold on okay um I'm sorry I forgot your name my name is Grace Grace

Gracesorry about that Grace can I have you read this please yeah okay the woman in white is a hundred percent correct an increase in young men not having sex

Graceequal sign does not equal oh okay sorry I wasn't caught up on the lingo it does not equal

Gracewomen being more promiscuous if you look at the same plot you actually see the percent of women not having sex doesn't change but the men's increases

Brian Atlasdramatically in the last few years okay well uh no name first off uh thank you for the uh Super Chat I mean your last sentence there does nothing to disprove

Brian Atlasmy point just because there's not an increase in uh in that specific stat I showed you does nothing to refute my argument

Brian Atlasum so uh an increase in young men not having sex does not equal women being more promiscuous when I say more

Brian Atlaspromiscuous I'm not necessarily saying that there's an increase in female promiscuity although it's plausible there is um I would say there's been an increase

Brian Atlasin promiscuity in both genders uh sense basically the proliferation of dating apps and social media

Brian Atlasum but I think it's made it a lot easier for those top tier men to just have way more access to just casual sex because I mean and we know this by the data released from the dating apps basically

Brian Atlasyou have women who are only swiping on the top five top ten percent of men the top 10 percent of men top five percent of men on dating apps have all the choice all the choice and so it's very

Brian Atlasvery it's it's become much easier for them to uh enact on their capability to be promiscuous and and I think women will happily like oh

Brian Atlashere's an opportunity to sleep with a guy who's out of my league okay I'll do it um but thank you for the Super Chat let's got a couple others so we got to keep it moving Ethan hey thank you for the 50 um invisible Sky friend opinions

Brian Atlasshouldn't be the deciding factor in how marriage and Society Works men and women should respect each other more women are picky and guys will take what they can get relationship wise there needs to be a compromise hey Ethan thing for the

Brian Atlassoup chat um invisible Sky friend opinions okay um well I think I mean uh my understanding Matt uh you you're a pretty secular if I

Matt (StaySafeTV)is that correct I'm actually deep religious I am seriously I'm deeply really I'm not a Christian I'm not a Christian but I am oh okay but but I mean what's your religion yeah yeah well I'm not going to tell you I'm

Gracenot here to proselytize okay will you tell me um it's just interesting record just because I'm curious I'm part of a secret esoteric cult um Scientologist I am

Gia ChaconI am I got no what I don't think you have to be Christian to like adhere to these ideologies and no I don't understand them just based on their statistics well

Matt (StaySafeTV)and I think most the arguments Matt that you make when it comes to marriage are not rooted in you don't make religious arguments No in fact this is one of my biggest criticisms of the religious right like the based Trad right is that

Matt (StaySafeTV)unless the people you're preaching to are already part of the choir they're not going to listen to you I think and you haven't you haven't really been preaching at all from religion oh I brought up the fact that I was Christian once yeah once so I'm not even talking to you but um I see this online where it's like

Matt (StaySafeTV)listen you shouldn't behave this way because the Bible says so or the talmud says so or the Quran says so it's like well if I don't give a [ __ ] about the Quran or the Bible the talmud why do I care what your point is I think you've got to be able to push these ideas or

Matt (StaySafeTV)push the the Trad philosophy if that's what you want from a rhetorically effective way 76 donated 100 stay safe

Brian Atlasaccording to um 76. I'm either Giga chat or a super Sims can we pull up your Instagram right now and no no no no no okay

Gia Chaconso he's just protecting his religion I think that's fine I mean we've talked about enough statistics here that we understand the data proves that monogamous relationships better Society

Gia Chaconlead to more happy and fulfilled Partners lead to the success of children but I also do think we have to ask ourselves like where does does our value come from where does our like innate

Brian Atlashuman dignity come from and what is our reason for being here what is our purpose Wow Let's save that let's save that for the philosophical podcast um Joe Bell I think for the 15 negative

Brian Atlasonly the top 40 percent of men are promiscuous my math shows that that's the minority not majority the key word is most men are not promiscuous whereas most women are understand what people

Brian Atlassay before calling debunked you'll look smarter Hey Joe Bell thank you for the uh Super Chat there uh much appreciated um we I we definitely went around on the

Brian Atlaspromiscuity thing enough as it is but I do want to bring it back to a couple points here uh and we we got away from this rather quick I will touch really quick on the non-monogamy you brought that up so

Riaando you think in your next relationships you will explore non-monogamy I'm not sure yet but if I do want to explore non-monogamy I don't think it'd be fair for people to look down on me for it

Brian Atlasokay and so um and when you say non-monogamy would you would it be like a polycule where it's like you're all like a three-way relationship like you have two

Riaanboyfriends you have I'm not sure what kind of non-monogamous relationship I'd be interested in pursuing I'd definitely have a lot of research to do about that because I know there's so many different

Gia Chaconkinds of non-monogamous relationships but yeah currently I'm not sure yet okay to be clear I'm not looking down on you or anyone because of their relationship status or what they're doing with their

Gia Chaconlives I just know that based off the statistics this is what the Studies have shown and also I believe that every person has dignity and deserves to be loved cherished

Brian Atlasrespected and has and have their dignity upheld um and then Ria just really quick so when it comes to the non-monogamy thing um you you in your pre-show messages to

Brian Atlasus said that you consider yourself a feminist slash leftist uh do your views on on that sort of stuff have any uh okay have they motivated you when it

Riaancomes to your views on non-monogamy maybe I mean I want to talk about the history of monogamy I mean do we know where monogamy came from and why it's Now the default to our society well I

Gracethink okay well I think it's default for a reason I I think there's but do we know how it became to be the defense it's based on procreation I would

Graceimagine because like human for for human civilization to advance they like into my place I would imagine it's based on

Graceprocreation and what makes human civilization Advance um the best you wanted to come in go ahead yeah I do know that humans as a species we have

Kacevery Ultra show young so that means they require a lot of lodges and I think that's where the idea or I guess cultural means of monogamy has kind of surfaced from is

Gracethat need for not only just another partner but a village to really help raise child to survive into adulthood um also I think a lot of people like

Gracewant to be just together it's like the feeling of love and like finding a special person that you can build a life with yeah well I mean I I think I mentioned

Brian Atlasthat this earlier but uh I think men have a vest uh pretty vested interest in monogamy and so far as the paternity certainty component so

Brian Atlasback in the day if a woman had multiple sexual partners that's kind of why that's another reason in addition to just monogamy why virginity was so valued if a woman was promiscuous or had

Brian Atlasmultiple sexual partners there was no way in the past uh you know pretty much up until 40 years ago for people to

Brian Atlasdetermine who is the father of a child and for and sometimes I think perhaps women don't realize how important that is because as a woman if

Brian Atlasyou have a kid you know for certain that that's her child however as a as a man you know absent the paternity test or you know that she's a virgin and she's only been with you there's a component of paternity

Brian Atlasuncertainty which is pretty much if you're as a guy if you're raising a child that you think is yours but is not that's pretty much the biggest L that you can take I also think it's a way

Gracethat in society people like used to control and oppress women what does that how how do wait what like

Graceso much how does that oppress women well because sometimes we'll be told that they're worth less if they have that or they'll be can they'll be

Gracecontrolled and only have certain things that they can do because on the basis that they need to maintain their virginity well I mean okay so there's a religious

Brian Atlascomponent that I suppose started about 2000 years ago I think I think Chastity was valued up until very recently for both men and women

Brian Atlasfor religious reasons chiefly although that's kind of been uh eroded away by modern uh modern modernity I guess you could say but I mean I think if you want to look at

Matt (StaySafeTV)like male female sexual relations for 99.99 of human history you need to get out of the mindset of like our modern dynamic right now we've got birth control we've got abortions we've got so many things that you can use to sort of

Matt (StaySafeTV)interfere with that natural system but that's not how it was for most of human history like as a man if you are uh going to be raising a child you want to make sure with 100 certainty it is your child you don't

Gracewant a woman that is sleeping with multiple men because then you don't know what's going on right and so this is one of the reasons why virginity is so valuable back I understand that and I think that that's true I'm just saying I

Gracefeel like that can be used like on the guise of that to like control women as well like more so I think that like Brian pointed out I think I think that women being

Brian Atlasconcerned about is unity and that can go above her like condition and her right well Matt brought up Matt brought up history Matt brought up a really good

Brian Atlaspoint about birth control uh and so you know ignoring the paternity uncertainty thing this was something that would fall more so upon women you know if you engaged in sex with

Brian Atlassomebody prior to there being birth control like pretty good chance you might get pregnant and can't get a book like I mean abortions are fairly well I mean there's history in any case

Brian Atlasum without birth control and without abortion you know there wasn't what 300 years ago if you have sex with somebody like not really a way out if you get pregnant or there's not really a way to prevent a

Brian Atlaspregnancy so I don't think it's about control it's just the biological reality that if you get pregnant like that's kind of a big deal and especially without Modern Health

Matt (StaySafeTV)Care too I think like the healthcare if you got pregnant as a woman like bro there's a chance you [ __ ] die I think that you can imagine in a world like let me ask you this in a world where there's no birth control and you've got a very high risk of getting pregnant if you have sex with a man are you going to be

Matt (StaySafeTV)as promiscuous in that world as you are in this world probably not because there's a very high chance that man you just had sort of casual promiscuous flippant sex with you might get pregnant you might be tied down for life with that man you got to carry his child into

Matt (StaySafeTV)the world and deal with that man for the rest of your life and so it's from a female's point of view also 100 years ago 200 300 for a thousand years ago as a woman you probably don't want to be promiscuous either it's not a man keeping you down it's you don't want to

Matt (StaySafeTV)be promiscuous because if you have sex with that man you might be tied down forever with that guy you bring his child into this world your body gets pregnant you go through crazy changes right it's in the woman's interest back then at least a different

Matt (StaySafeTV)conversation now that we have birth control I guess but for most human history it's in the woman's interest to not be promiscuous either it's in the man's and the woman's really it wasn't really according to research

Riaanresearch really getting into monogamy like when the Romanticism movement started that's when people started really giving in to the idea of having their one true love and their one true soulmate but prior to the 18th century

Gia Chaconin the 17th century people were just [ __ ] like crazy I don't think that's something people weren't super into monogamy like we are now today it's different because it was what you're talking about is people

Gia Chacontalking about finding their true love or their soulmate whereas before it wasn't so much based on initial feelings or romanticizing a relationship and more

Gia Chaconabout just that dying commitment that this is my spouse and I'm going to learn to love them and commit to love them for the rest of my life and there was like a lot less I don't know

Gia Chaconfairy tale glitter Rosy colored glasses around the idea of love and sacrifice I feel like a ranged marriage marriages and stuff yeah exactly I feel like prior

Riaanto the Romanticism movement um people more so got married for Logistics because I feel like um there were there was research that I

Riaansaw that what's the purpose of marriage what you said um I feel like just financial reasons I feel like yeah to raise kids it's easier to raise kids when you're married I feel

Riaanlike so I mean you mentioned logistic logistic reasons yeah I mean yeah to raise kids yeah but with the history of monogamy um prior to 1 A.D when before

RiaanChristianity started becoming you know more of a thing um monogamy really wasn't that common where according to history like around the world I feel like monogamy based on

Riaanthe research that I've personally seen and you guys can you know of course fact check it um based on the research that I've seen like monogamy wasn't really you know this thing that was going around the

Riaanworld until um the 1850s when Western imperialism became a thing and I mean this is just going around the world saying oh monogamy is the way to go because this is just not understanding this is just

Matt (StaySafeTV)not true at all though if you look at pre-biblical India their Pro monogamy if you read the Quran or the bhagavad-gita they're talking about monogamy they're talking about the beauty and sanctity of a male female relationship if you look at

Gia Chaconum the Quran describes it beautifully and commentary on the Quran it it describes marriage as two Souls becoming one Essence which is really beautiful I

Brian Atlasfeel like the spread of disease is also a big driver for monogamy yeah that I mean that's that's a really good point you bring up there uh if you're monogamous

Riaanbut people who are non-monogamous and you know practice non-monogamy when they when they you know have sex with other people they know to use protection whereas different people I know of a lot

Riaanof people who are in monogamous relationships who still end up getting STDs because when they're Partners cheat on them they're not using um protection yeah but you can get you can also get cheated on in a

Brian Atlasnon-monogamous relationship too absolutely um take a lot of trust and then and then also uh I mean certainly the odds of uh getting an STD

Brian Atlasis uh I would say it's greater and non-monogamous relationships than monogamous relationships but um you mentioned protection I mean

Brian Atlasprotection is not foolproof uh deterrent to getting an STD no but it's a preventative measure it is a preventative measure but like take for example herpes you can even if you're

Brian Atlaswearing a condom like you can still get herpes like because you could have an outbreak like on the base of the [ __ ] am I gonna I'm not gonna describe to

Brian Atlasyou know but I mean let's also be honest too like people really be out here [ __ ] without condoms like let's be honest Khan but I don't come on look and look a smile on their face

Kacewithout a condom come on bro I feel like the problem isn't about monogamy or non-monogamy because I think everyone assumes a certain risk when they do engage in sexual activity I think it's the problem with having a

Kaceconversation and being open with your partners or partner about those different things yeah well I I think uh also when it comes to raising a family I don't know

Brian Atlasif that's a an ideal family dynamic to have like huh like do you want to elaborate well like if like there's one

Brian Atlasmom and like three fathers that might be a little uh there's gonna be like infighting and then like if there's uh if there's Offspring or maybe I shouldn't say Offspring if there's

Gia Chaconchildren I think there's also marriage than just raising children and having children although one of the fruits of marriage is child bearing and having children I mean isn't that the primary reason of

Gia Chaconmarriage it's too solidifying a relationship like you can be married and not have children with someone it's the love and commitment actually like if you look at

Gia Chaconthe purpose of marriage it's to love your spouse unconditionally although that's I mean that people think nowadays that you can get married and that it's not forever although I mean in the design of

Gia Chaconmarriage and in the design of humanity who you commit your life to in marriage should be forever and with the goal that you'll be married until death do you part um so the purpose of marriage is to love

Brian Atlasone another sacrificially and holy and then as a result of that love children are the fruit of it we have two super chats here we have to react to We have Ryan the eating Warrior

Brian Atlashey man good to see you in the chat again I think for the 50 sheep chat man really appreciate it monogamy was enacted to stabilize societies and to help prevent the spread of diseases quick Google search a writing Ryan the

Brian Atlaseating Warrior good to see you back in the chat man TJ King good to see you back in the chat as well ladies of social media disappeared namely Instagram overnight do you think it would be a good or bad thing for the dating Marketplace

Gracewe'll start with you go ahead I feel like it would be a good thing one reason I think it would be a good thing is because I remember that you

Gracewere saying the more someone Scrolls on Instagram and the more they look at it it had some sort of negative effects on how they view other people in their

Gracedating life and um when people are dating uh when people are dating they the more people they see they tend to compare them and if you're just like always going through that comparison I feel like people are never

Gracehappy even if you're not intending on like looking outside your relationship I feel like that's where it can start a lot um a lot of stuff happens in the DM so I

Gracethink dating would be better people can get to know each other people can get to know each other more one-on-one like for me specifically because I do have such like a prominent internet presence I

Gracefeel like it's almost it's difficult for me to get to know people who see me off of there because I feel like it's almost it's different so I personally have a

Gracehard time with people's perception of me just based on my Instagram and then me in real life so it's interesting but I mean I guess it comes with the territory

Unknown (PA model)um can you come back to me on that one um it would definitely be a good thing if social media disappeared we would live more presently and more purposefully I believe

Kaceyeah I also don't really know where I stand on that I think personally I prefer to not use social media as much as for dating I think social media

Kacehas its pros and cons I think it's just changing how people date but I don't know if I'm in the place to say if it would be a good

TTS Readercloud forest show donated 99 all humans have reproductive cells women have egg cells men have sperm cells all

TTS Readerhumans have processes of getting rid of old reproductive cells in women it's called menstruation in men it's called ejaculation ejaculation is male menstruation yo

Matt (StaySafeTV)does that mean you only get to do it once a month for one week once a month you jerk off as much as you want outside of that no

Madisonruin you're like and you get sense of sexual gratification isn't that like a fact like the more you if you're beating off five times a day for seven days straight yeah it's probably not good for you yeah

Madisonthat's probably not good for you probably get like some sort of you know said what happened to Andrea uh the TTS came in but it didn't read so

MadisonI just read it out loud I don't know who Andre is but Andrea Nick do you want to pull up the super chat again yeah

Armaniand then we'll keep going on that yeah it was your answer um honestly I think social media just kind of ruins everything it just kind of gives you more accessibility to other

Armanipeople and like more temptation to other things like I mean you could be in a community relationship post photos with your significant other have them in your bio and people are still going to DM you trying to be like hey like can I shoot

Armanimy shot at you like it's like they don't understand like boundaries of that so yeah I think definitely social media is very impactful yeah I think it would be a good thing I

Gia Chaconthink that um a lot of good points were made around it yes we would live more presently we would be able to experience our partner more presently and I think that we've like lost the beauty of meeting people

Gia Chaconorganically and talking to people face to face and of course I already shared the statistic but for the sake of conversation there was a study that was done that men who follow a lot of girls on Instagram and are spending a lot of

Gia Chacontime on social media feel less attracted to their partner so if we're looking at that statistic and I'm sure it's the same for women who are scrolling and they're seeing everybody's perfect air quotes perfect relationship and

Gia Chaconcomparing their relationship to that or they think everyone's happy that has a negative effect on their view of their own relationship so yes I think social media go away going away would have a

Madisonnet positive on relationships yeah basically you said it perfectly I think the absence of social media in a relationship would create like very much

Matt (StaySafeTV)more intimate cherishable relationships we need to get rid of the internet not just social media the entire internet we need to go back to pre-listen the Industrial Revolution we need to go back

Matt (StaySafeTV)before no pre-agricultural Evolution we need to be nomadic tribes wandering the Flames hunting uh buffalo and bison and squirrels unironically down I'm not even kidding that's what we need to do I

Matt (StaySafeTV)agree we need to go back we're going back we are so back we need to rewind it sell Power gun though before I'm going

Brian Atlasto make I'm gonna become like a brick maker or something I'll be a Mason I don't know what I'll be I don't know I'll be a wood sculptor who knows there's gum before the internet you could just put it yeah we're gonna get

Matt (StaySafeTV)you a Walmart deal listen listen if taking Society back I don't know a couple hundred years means I never play World of Warcraft ever again do it there's that do it okay I'll make the

Brian Atlasdeal and then this one came up while I was gone South 76 I think again for the donation what happened to Andrea I mean I Andrea we used to do videos nine

Brian Atlaseight seven years ago um she's doing her own thing um there's really not much to say just we stopped working together and yeah not really storied there haven't

Brian Atlasactually I think I invited her to come be a guest on the podcast but I she didn't respond I think she's kind of out of the content creation social media space um thank you though man okay so I do

Brian Atlaswant to come back to our our esteemed guest Ria Ria so you're a feminist um do you do you have um armpit hair

Riaanum are you rocking are you rocking the armpit hair or do you want to show like the question is I'm okay on that oh you're okay I feel like I just shave it whenever I feel

Brian Atlaslike it okay yeah do you own the armpit hair like is it like you know yeah it's like no okay yeah it's pretty cool okay you definitely know okay

Brian Atlaswait did Madison do the check armpit check I literally like don't grow armpit hair actually Haram okay cool uh let's see uh and then I had these are just

Brian Atlasnotes that you guys provided for me before the show we have uh let's see uh uh

Brian AtlasLexi are you religious at all um I'm spiritual spiritual not religious gotcha um we have Gia you said you're very conservative but I used to be a little

Brian Atlasmore wild before becoming a Conservative Christian yeah I was a lot of people say oh okay that's some other stuff um what do you when you say you used to be a little more wild uh what what do

Gia Chaconyou mean yeah I mean I was never somebody that slept around or anything like that um my mom was really strict and I in retrospect I think her for that because I think that kept me out of a lot of

Gia Chacontrouble but I definitely used to go out a lot more than I do now um I mean I dated a lot of different people and I feel like I experienced what it was like to date people who

Gia Chacondidn't really respect me didn't value me as an individual didn't see my worth as a woman um for who I am not just you know for the fact that I'm a woman

Gia Chaconum and so yeah so I have like that experience and I mean definitely had some fun moments but I would say overall the life that I'm living now seeking out relationships that are leading to

Brian Atlasmarriage which I happened since I was like 20. um I would say has been more fulfilling and has made me overall a happier person okay so

Gia Chaconthere was a wild past was there a little while a little while not too loud okay which I own by the way because I think that it it doesn't benefit anybody to

Gia Chaconsit here and to you know act perfect or to try to claim that I'm perfect I think everybody makes mistakes and we are all imperfect people and so

Gia Chaconum but I can say in terms of my view of myself how fulfilled I am in my life the career that I've been able to um to find and to create and the purpose that I

Gia Chaconhave found and overall just again happiness and fulfillment out of life is I mean a thousand times more than anything I could have imagined before we have a super chat here from Ryan the heating Warrior I believe

Brian Atlasdirected to you stop the cat Miss marriage

Gia Chaconhonestly actually before I met the person that I'm in a relationship with now I was single for um I mean almost four years so I dated a

Gia Chaconlot of I mean Christian men who were marriage minded um but honestly I was in the idea that I don't want to just marry someone just to get married just to get married which I think even secular women think about

Gia Chaconthey think about the ring and they think about the dress and they don't think about what comes along with being married I wanted to make sure that I found the right person who I could see not only being a good husband but being

Gia Chacona good father and being a good partner somebody that was going to push me to be every thing that I was created to be and so I wasn't like in a rush to get married at all and I found the right person and we're dating but it looks

Brian Atlaslike it's leading towards marriage so wait so you said you were you were single for four years yeah and okay you're 26 you've been in you're in a two-year relationship currently no no

Brian Atlasthat was your longest relationship excuse me like 200 years ago so when you said that like four year single period are you like you were celibate celibate single yep

Brian Atlasfour years for four years yeah damn son okay uh I was so happy I am so happy yeah people in the chat were saying born

Gia Chaconagain virgin is that that sounds like something from like Ultra Trad Purity culture I don't know what that means I'm I I don't know sounds like something

Gia Chaconweird on the internet are you waiting until marriage or I don't want to answer that question I think we all should wait until marriage yeah oh okay wait so I mean

Gia Chacondidn't you just answer the question yeah I guess I I did yeah I think but I don't want to shame anybody that that hasn't yeah we're all waiting yeah we should wait until marriage did you wait till

Brian Atlasmarriage I made mistakes in the past okay so you you you previously you you'd had some indiscretions

Brian AtlasI prefer not to go into detail okay fair enough but now but now at this point uh you are waiting until marriage I think we should wait until marriage yeah okay gotcha and then we have TJ King here to

Brian Atlasthose who said yes would you delete your Instagram who said yes by the way I was up there for a [ __ ] everybody said yes would you delete your Instagram I would delete mine social

Gracemedia exists then I wouldn't even have an Instagram I would I delete myself wait what hold on repeat your statement what

Gracelike the question we said yes to is do you think dating would be better if social media didn't exist so if it didn't exist we wouldn't have

Brian AtlasInstagram at all but no he's he's not asking absolutely my Instagram like willy-nilly today yeah like would you just delete it oh no okay so I was saying like for a man though

Brian Atlaslike if like you're significant other wanted you to delete your social media with you okay we have Mr Cappadocia here hey good to see you in the chat man thank you uh

Brian Atlasboys as young as 12 who have been modestoed by women who got pregnant as a result oh okay have been required to pay those women child support they know how unfair

Brian AtlasSociety is to the fellas and not a single woman on this panel cares they prefer it well this is out of left field okay well there's there is certainly like there have been court cases where

Gracea woman who was older was with a boy I don't prefer a situation like that like what he's trying to say but he's saying well basically I'm just

Brian Atlassaying don't say I prefer that I don't prefer that did he I'm not sure if he okay well in any case um there there have been court

Brian Atlascases where uh they will rule that uh the boy who was let's say statutory uh he's on the hook for child support

Brian Atlasif the woman who took advantage of him got pregnant which is like it's kind of messed up you know and this is a case where the boys underage yeah there's been a couple there's definitely been a lot of cases

Matt (StaySafeTV)like this where a young boy was you know yeah I mean I'll say this this is something that I'm gonna I'm gonna come off as a super simp here I think that when a female adult

Matt (StaySafeTV)does that to a young boy 12 13 14 15 I think it should societally be just as admonished and punished equally as heavy as when it's uh inverse where it's an adult man praying on a young girl

Brian Atlasabsolutely I think I think the standard has to be the same and it's not and it's [ __ ] up but it should be 100 agree 100 agree okay we have the real Mr meatball here oh whoops did that

Brian Atlassorry I think I triggered the wrong oh uh Salk says why do you think sex is fine after marriage I think he's TR he has to be trolling why do you think sex is fine after marriage I think it's more

Brian Atlasreligious thing even even if you get married I just never have saving myself

Madisonyeah no yeah there's no way that was a mosquito that was that big no look at it it's on the outside there do you guys see it yes

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