4'11 Girl REFUSES To Date 5'7 Guy?! | Dating Talk #83

Date: 2023-07-12

Duration: 6h 32m

Guests

Brian Atlas

UUnknown (PA model, DT83)>

AArmani (DT83)>

MMadison (DT94)>

MMatt (StaySafeTV)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Grace(guest)

SPEAKER_03Matt (StaySafeTV)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_05Gia Chacon(guest)

SPEAKER_06Unknown (PA model)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_08Riaan(guest)

SPEAKER_09Kace(guest)

SPEAKER_10Armani(guest)

Key Moments

IntroGrace introduces herself: 29yo, social media/stand-up comedy/OnlyFans, LA. "I do be funny on TikTok."

“my name's Grace I'm 29 I do social media and I do comedy as well”

QuoteArmani (4'11") reveals she refused to date the 5'7" guy who introduced her to her 6'3" situationship partner. Brian shows meme on screen: "sorry I don't take guys below 6 feet" — it is Armani.

“obviously like I'm gonna upgrade friends no offense because that dude was like five seven”

RelationshipRiaan (5'2"): minimum height 5'5" because she wears platforms.

“I'd like to date someone who's at least five five I guess because I wear a lot of platforms”

RelationshipKace (4'11"): boyfriend is 5'7"; has dated men as short as 5'2". Mom taller than dad (5'3" vs 5'1").

“my boyfriend is five seven so he's a short King oh you're four eleven too but yeah”

Key MomentRiaan reveals she got legally married at 20 while on shrooms as a joke with a 1-month boyfriend. Separated Dec 30; filing for annulment. "We did it because we thought it would be funny."

“I am 21 years old I'm originally from the... I'm actually married too I forgot”

RelationshipMadison: ex was 5'6" with no issue; current boyfriend Frankie is ~5'11"; has a promise ring.

“my boyfriend's like 5 11. he sometimes he says six foot but the shortest they all do”

ControversyArmani insists height was only "a plus" and states minimum she would date is 5'7" despite being 4'11".

“the highest was a plus what would you do if what if I'm if I'm trying to date a guy”

QuoteArmani: even a 5'1" muscular wealthy man would be worse because "he's gonna look like a little Roblox dude."

“what if the guy is five foot one but he makes 300 Grand a year Andy's Jack he's muscular no that's even worse”

QuoteMatt to short guys in the audience: "any woman that's into you really loves you. It's a built-in default vetting process."

“short guys in the audience you are so lucky if you're five six you're five seven”

ControversyBrian reveals the meme "sorry I don't take guys below 6 feet" is actually Armani, pointing out irony of a 4'11" girl refusing a 5'7" man. Panel reacts.

“perfect that's actually you yeah um rip yeah he was five seven and you're four eleven right”

RelationshipPA model: minimum height 5'5" due to wearing platforms; does not care much about height otherwise.

“I'm gonna agree with her I'm 5'2 as well I think five five is like the shortest that I would consider dating”

Key MomentPA model reveals she ended her situationship that morning: ~3 months exclusive, no apps, no title. He wanted more time; she wanted commitment.

“I just said like you know I don't see it going anywhere if it's not gone anywhere this far”

ControversyBrian reads Riaan's pre-show: "most people should be non-monogamous." Riaan clarifies she meant exploring non-monogamy, reduce stigma. Gia pushes back strongly with statistics.

“most people should start considering non-monogamy because I didn't mean to cut you off”

Key MomentGia defends monogamy: cites American Family Study; argues for sacrificial relationships; states Christian belief in one man/one woman.

“Partners feel happier and more fulfilled when they're in monogamous relationships”

Key MomentGia describes humanitarian work: Jordan, Iraq (2022), Armenia (2020 Azerbaijan-Armenia war) providing crisis relief to persecuted Christians.

“I was in Iraq in um 2022 I brought humanitarian Aid to internally displaced Christians”

Key MomentMatt cites DNA research: 40% of men historically reproduced vs 80% of women; argues top-tier men access most women.

“if you look at two uh like my wife and I are both white we both got married for the first time”

QuoteMadison shares her mother passed away when she was 11, leaving just her father. Felt safer and more financially secure with two parents.

“unfortunately my mom passed away when I was 11 and specifically I didn't know that”

OtherBrian post-show: panel "a little frustrating" with some bad-faith arguments. Accepts partial responsibility for not having stronger prepared arguments.

“tonight's panel was a little frustrating I mean um I I think she was a little bit bad faith”

OtherBrian and Matt (both left-handed) jokingly demand reparations from right-handed guests for historical discrimination against left-handed people.

“I want all of you to go get your purses and you need to pay us me and Matt here”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions & relationship status round

Guests introduce themselves: name, age, occupation, location. Then go around table on current relationship status. Notable: Riaan broke up with bf 1 day prior; PA model ended situationship that morning; Armani has never officially dated but had 2-year FWB situation; Gia is 7 months into a relationship; Madison has a promise ring from Frankie; Matt is married.

Height preferences in dating

Discussion of height requirements for men on dating apps. Armani (4'11") refuses men under 5'7", despite being 4'11"; episode meme shown on screen at ~32:07. Each guest shares height and minimum preference. Extended discussion on whether men lie about height on dating apps, short kings, and the 6'3" vs 5'7" comparison Armani made.

Traditional relationships, marriage and vetting partners

Brian and Matt discuss vetting partners carefully before marriage. Debate on whether marriage is worth it, the analogy of entering a business partnership. Gia argues relationships are sacrificial not transactional. Discussion of who should pay on first dates.

Social media and modern dating problems

Discussion of how social media and dating apps have changed dating dynamics. Women accused of chasing top 5-10% of men on apps. Brian introduces statistics on singleness.

Marriage statistics and divorce rates

Matt presents divorce rate statistics: national average ~45%, but first-time married couples ~35%, and for white first-time married couples only ~13%. Argues 50% divorce stat is inflated by serial divorcees. Debates "anti-marriage propaganda."

Monogamy vs. non-monogamy

Riaan advocates for people to consider non-monogamy and reduce stigma. Gia defends monogamy as statistically better and morally grounded in Christian values. Grace discusses having opened a previous LDR and it going badly. Matt and Brian cite statistics showing monogamous relationships lead to better outcomes for children, lower abuse rates, etc.

Single-parent households and family structure

Discussion of crime statistics and single-parent households. Matt says 1/4 of US children lack a father figure; correlates with crime across all categories. Guests share personal experiences: several grew up in divorced/separated households. Madison lost her mother at 11. Matt and his brother grew up without a dad after parents divorced when he was in 2nd grade.

Promiscuity statistics and hypergamy

Brian presents data: 63% of men ages 18-29 report being single vs 34% of women same age. Debate on whether women or men are more promiscuous on average. Discussion of Tinder/OK Cupid data showing top 10% of men get most female attention. Matt and Brian argue evolutionary basis for female selectivity (pregnancy risk). TTS donation about 40% of men historically reproducing vs 80% of women.

Abortion and reproductive rights

Discussion of abortion; Gia is pro-life (Christian). Debate about at what point life begins, rape exceptions, contraception. Gia discusses her work with persecuted Christians as background context for her values.

Red flags in dating

Panel goes around sharing red flags they have encountered or watch out for in dating. Topics include lateness, social media behavior, bald guys posting photos, etc.

Wage gap and gender equality

Brian presents wage gap statistics; argues it is an earnings gap not a wage gap, caused by choices in career field, hours worked, and risk tolerance, not sexism. Notes 93% of workplace fatalities are men. Riaan declines to debate without more research.

Feminism debate

Show of hands on who identifies as feminist. Riaan says yes; Gia gives nuanced defense of equal rights/dignity but critiques modern feminism. Grace and others unsure of definition. Brian argues feminism is women's advocacy, not equality; cites feminist opposition to shared custody bills and draft registration for women as examples.

Left-handedness reparations (comedic)

Brian and Matt (both left-handed) jokingly demand reparations from right-handed guests, citing historical discrimination against left-handed children. Comedic segment before outro.

Transcript

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Gracegonna have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age occupation and where you're from go ahead my name's Grace I'm 29 I do social media and I do comedy as well and I'm from Los

GraceAngeles you do comedy what you I suspect we will our do you do stand-up

Gracecomedy you do skits I do stand up I I look look I do stand up I've been dabbling in skits lately too like anything comedy I'm pretty much

Graceinto is that like is that like Tick Tock stuff or um yeah I do be funny on Tick Tock but I would say my main like comedy expression is is doing stand up okay you do be

Matt (StaySafeTV)funny on tick tock okay um if I don't laugh I'm gonna be very mad by the end of this okay yes you have to make an alarm you need to make me laugh yeah he's laughing on the inside but

Gracethat was off of the record off the Record off the Record okay starting now I've been laughing before this and you said you do social media do you do do

Riaanyou have uh do you do any adult content or is it I do only fans okay gotcha uh what about you I am 21 years old I'm originally from the

RiaanI work as a recovery counselor for a psychiatric facility and I'm also an office assistant for a clothing brand okay gotcha what what got you into the working at the uh you said it was a

Riaanrecovery facility what got you into that um well I personally used to struggle with my mental health and if it weren't for certain people I wouldn't be where I am today so I kind of just wanted to give back to my community gotcha

Brian Atlasum if you don't mind us asking was there anything in specific or like is it like Crisis Intervention type stuff or more like low-key type Mental Health Services

Riaanor it's a residential facility so it's basically a voluntary psych ward voluntary cycle yeah like there's no like 5150 holds like if you're having a mental health crisis you can

Riaanum turn yourself into the ER and you can get referred to my facility so you could voluntarily go there directly or do you have to go to the ER first and then they would refer you or yeah you have to go to the ER first you need a referral okay

Unknown (PA model)yeah gotcha okay interesting all right uh what about you hi my name is I'm 24 years old I'm from Pennsylvania and

Brian Atlasum I model online and also in real life okay what do you mean you model online only fans okay yeah only fans model gotcha uh what about you

Kacehi my name is case I am 19. I'm from San Diego and I'm a student at UC Santa Barbara my major is psychological and

Armanibrain Sciences ooh fancy okay very cool what about you my name is Armani I am 18 and I'm from a small town like outside of Sacramento down that way and then I

Brian Atlasgo I'm a student at the community college CC Santa Barbara City College okay the community college and I'm a nursing major nursing major and you two are friends correct yeah we're roommates yeah oh you're housemates but you go to CC and she goes to UCSB yeah

Armanidid you guys know each other from back home or actually I met her through one of my friends oh okay

ArmaniChristian Mingle Farmers Only okay all the above I basically met her through one of my hometown besties yeah she was her roommate in the dorms okay gotcha and sorry did you say what you're

Gia Chaconstudying at Santa Barbara City College oh yeah nursing nursing that's right that's right cool welcome what about you hi my name is Gia Chacon I'm 26 years old I am from Orange County California

Gia Chaconand I'm the founder of for the martyrs which is a non-profit organization advocating for victims of Christian persecution

Gia Chaconadvocating for victims of Christian person what is Christian persecution so it's the persecution of Christians solely because of their beliefs oh so would this be this is predominantly

Gia Chaconpeople who are overseas I imagine like another definitely yeah actually so some statistics one third of the world faces religious oppression and an overwhelming eighty percent of the oppressed are Christians so we're talking about

Gia ChaconChristians in the Middle East I'm sure everybody knew what was happening um or at least watched the news at some point when Isis was campaigning a war on Christians in the

Gia ChaconMiddle East and we saw an 80 decrease in the Christian population and just one generation so it's just an example of some of um cases of persecution of Christians is

Gia Chaconthat because they they fled the area or because they were killed it's both but there was a genocide of Christians um both in Iraq and Syria and actually right now there's a genocide of Christians happening in Nigeria believe

Gia Chaconit or not um in just one year we had over 2 500 Christians that were killed because of their beliefs them is there what's going on is there anything like in South America going on or is it pretty cool actually yeah

Gia Chaconbelieve it or not oh [ __ ] okay yeah so everywhere not everywhere but um first of all communism is on the rise in South America and under Communist governments religious people suffer so any people of Faith are suffering under

Gia Chacona communist government it's the same in China but right now in Nicaragua actually they're imprisoning priests and pastors for refusing to shut down their churches um and Mexico which is not quite South

Gia ChaconAmerica but in Mexico priests are being killed because of the cartel so we're seeing like an increase of priests being murdered because they're a threat to the power of the cartel so it's really a global issue and it continues to

Brian Atlasincrease every year about [ __ ] yo Adam Barnett thanks for the uh 20 uh gifted memberships thank you very much did you have something or nope oh you're just finger gunning

Brian Atlasum and so do you do you like you go into these countries and you try to get them out or how like what what are you guys so we're doing a couple of things yeah so um first of all we try to meet the immediate needs of Christians who are

Gia Chaconsuffering so we've done on the ground work in Jordan with the Iraqi and Syrian refugees um in 2020 when there was the major war that happened between Azerbaijan and Armenia we brought a crisis relief to

Gia Chaconinternally displaced Christians I was in Iraq in um 2022 I brought humanitarian Aid to internally displaced Christians in her bill so a lot of work in the

MadisonMiddle East got it okay uh Madison what about you my name is Madison I'm 18 years old I'm currently a student at Santa Barbara City College studying econ and

Madisonaccounting I work for the whatever podcast I'm a host at a bar and yeah that's all okay cool

Matt (StaySafeTV)my name is Matt or stay safe TV online I uh I'm a twitch streamer and YouTuber and I'm also the owner of the business power gum which is a caffeinated chewing gum

Brian Atlasyes and by the way welcome back Matt uh back by popular demand I think Matt was on uh dating Talk number 79 and a lot we

Brian Atlaswe saw you guys in the comments and it was a wild one that was a wild show and uh a lot of people were like you gotta you gotta have bring Matt back and it was unfortunate too because there was a little situation in that episode so

Brian Atlasunfortunately we didn't get to cover as many topics as we would have liked to during that show but Matt is back so no situations today no crazy situations keep a team yeah but um Matt's Friends

Brian Atlasof the podcast he's come all the way from Washington to be here um awesome guy great guy chat by the way he's a Chad female no Morlock in World of Warcraft he's you can catch him

Brian Atlasstreaming twitch.tv uh Slash stay safe TV correct and he's streams World of Warcraft some other stuff he's he's uh about to embark on the hardcore servers here pretty soon they're coming

Brian Atlasout soon they're coming out soon um just a quick note on power gum last time Matt was here he uh he graciously left uh the team some some boxes of power gum so we've been um

Brian Atlaswe've been numbing on it um and uh we're we're happy to do a little promo uh you know he you can use code whatever at power gum or excuse me

Brian Atlaspower Dash gum.com to get 10 off uh basically it's a caffeinated gone they've got it's what 50 milligrams of caffeine right yep uh there's a bunch of vitamins vitamin D Vitamin B it's super

Brian Atlasconvenient fits in your pocket so I mean I'd say just you know stop wasting your money on Starbucks they dump a bunch of sugar in that crap and I'm not even a coffee drinker and I've been having like no cat like I don't drink really drink

Brian Atlasenergy drinks don't drink coffee I've been having one or two of these a day just as like a little pick-me-up you know and uh it's definitely been super helpful with like work and energy level so um yeah I don't know if you wanted to

Matt (StaySafeTV)tell us yeah it's convenient really I mean I go to the gym every day I have been playing video games all day every day for the last five years as a twitch streamer and I tried all the caffeine products all the drinks the powders the

Matt (StaySafeTV)pills and I'm like all of these suck they're all terrible so I figured I'd try to make something new and so I made power gum which is just a caffeinated chewing gum but it's really really good um we've we've been in business for about two years we've sold

Matt (StaySafeTV)just about well I think I think as of like a week ago we've sold 10 000 boxes of power gum over the last two years we ship internationally um over 50 of people that buy one box of power gum they come back and buy a

Matt (StaySafeTV)second box wow that's like uh that's a better return estimate that's that's a better returning customer rate than like a crack dealer okay it's good not that this is as bad listen okay maybe that's the wrong way to put it but people like

Matt (StaySafeTV)it okay the point is it's a good product so if you buy it I think you'll like it use code whatever 10 off there you go yeah there you go there you go and um there you go

Brian AtlasI was going to say one other thing about it but it slipped my mind you gotta get common if you can chew it you can do it boom that's what I say if you can do it

Brian Atlasyou can do it there you go in any case uh so we are going to go around the table and get everyone's current relationship status so

Brian Atlasoh wait uh that's weird

Brian Atlassorry guys we're having a little tough technical technical issue however uh I'll go adjust that really quick so we're gonna go around the table current what's your current relationship status so are you single friends with benefits

Brian Atlastalking stage situationship relationship um if you are single how long have you been single and also what's just your longest relationship you've ever had and uh let's start with you go ahead okay

Graceum I'm single right now I would say I'm like an ex serial monogamous I was in like multiple serious relationships back to back the longest one was four years

Graceand two of them were um in different countries so they were long distance yeah yeah how long ago was that

Gracewhere were those guys living actually

GraceI dated a guy

Graceand then I dated a Parisian Man Too is it hard during long distance um it was difficult but I feel like there was like a lot of good things about it

Gracelike it was actually probably one of the best relationships I ever had like we cherished our moments together more we got to know each other way more and like when we would see each other we would do

Gracestuff because we hadn't get to seeing each other in a while how often just made you closer yeah but it can get hard like in the end I think that's why we split up because you can only do that

Gracefor so long it starts to feel like a chore like texting every day how often would you guys like see each other throughout your relationship so because he was in the military he had specific

Gracetimes off so like we would always I would spend about a month there at Christmas we would go back and forth he would see me and then I would see him so

Graceit was like very planned out because he had a specific time off so it'd be like two weeks and then two weeks the longest would be about a month and you guys were monogamous when you were even when you

Gracewere apart yes okay so you're you're single correct yes I am okay wait yeah what about the well yeah yeah um so towards the end I was like we were having problems and

Grace[ __ ] you suggested that yes okay I also had like a friend who was like very into that so I think she kind of like planted the seed in my head a little bit

Graceum so I told him that and he was like no no for months and then finally he was like okay we can try it and he ended up being with someone else and I did it oh

Gracewow I'm sorry but I was like you know yeah I couldn't be that mad so how long have you been single about two years okay and you said your longest

Brian Atlasrelationship was what four years okay I don't like other like two-year three-year relationships too though okay what about you I'm single

RiaanI've been single for a day and my longest relationship was a year and a half wait you've been single for one day yeah like I don't know who runs the Instagram account but when I responded

Brian Atlasto the questions I had only been single for like two minutes oh wow holy okay wait so okay and how long was the relationship that just ended like two

Riaanmonths okay two months and was that your longest relationship or no my longest relationship's a year and a half who ended it I did yeah the longest relationship or the most recent

Brian Atlasrelationship both both okay you're a heartbreaker then um so one day ago um by the way uh how long were you dating said person man

Riaanwoman um the person I just broke up with yeah um we were dating for about two months I mean we were official for a month but seeing each other for two months total

Riaanokay man woman yeah uh why did you dump said person um several reasons we kind of just had

Riaandifferent expectations from each other in a relationship like the more our relationship progressed we just or I just realized that

Riaanwe weren't too compatible I'm scared to say too much because he watches this so okay yeah do you want to wave to him into this camera and just be like hey

Riaanis he upset that about the breakup or yeah he's very well no I'm not going to say that um yeah maybe a little he's moved on yeah I think so maybe okay we

Unknown (PA model)should have had him come on and then you guys could have worked it out or that would have been funny figured out all the okay uh what about you what's your uh situation I am single

Unknown (PA model)um I've been in one relationship my whole life and that was um it lasted two years and that was between I was 17 to 19. so

Brian Atlasnow it's been like five years I've been single five years single okay uh I mean in that five-year period what would you say is like the longest period of time that you've been seeing somebody maybe you haven't had a boyfriend but maybe

Unknown (PA model)there was a three-month fling or something yeah I've had a few like situationships um but they've never progressed um

Unknown (PA model)I'm actually uh somewhat in one right now but in the situationship yeah I mean I feel like it's important to get to know someone before you date them so um that's kind

Unknown (PA model)of where that's at right now so um yeah we're just you know getting to know each other is there just one situationship um yeah I'm always exclusive you know I'm never gonna like talk to more than

Unknown (PA model)one person at a time um and if you know for any reason like I were to I would let the other person know like you know that's what I'm doing is the guy that you're seeing is he

Unknown (PA model)exclusive to you right now um yes as far as um I know yeah and uh you know he's he does seem very honest with me so I do appreciate that so I think we're honest with each other

Unknown (PA model)um is it really a situationship I mean you're both exclusive to each other you've been seeing each other for what two months um that's a good question and I have definitely brought that up to him as well I was like what are we doing um is this gonna you know turn into

Unknown (PA model)anything um so it's just you know it's just one of those things um people are complicated and relationships are complicated so so you want it to be something more than it

Unknown (PA model)than it is right now um yes I do but I'm also not gonna wait forever what do you think his holdback is

Unknown (PA model)um I kind of think the same thing he just wants to get to know me as a person and like see you know the different sides of me which I would like to do that as well um I don't know it does feel like a

Matt (StaySafeTV)relationship so um I guess I don't know it's like what's the title when you're in the situationship you don't have like an active Tinder account or anything like

Unknown (PA model)that you're totally locked down yeah okay yes okay so um he doesn't have any dating apps either right now he deleted his as well sounds like you're dating then that's what it sounds like to me it

Unknown (PA model)does but then um like what why don't we have a title you know so wait did you ask for a title yeah and what did he say um he said he said just that like he'd

Unknown (PA model)like to get to know me more first so um we've been talking for about so I kind of understand that I think it is early

Unknown (PA model)is it though is it you know but how much longer are you willing to wait um once you get that figured out I actually just called it off this morning

Brian Atlasoh so wait oh so you're not in this situationship I guess or is it maybe it's gonna be on again off again I hope not you called it off this morning in yeah how did you do it

Unknown (PA model)um I just said like you know I don't see it going anywhere if it's not gone anywhere this far and um he said like what is the reason you know like why do

Unknown (PA model)you want to stop talking and I said you know it I just feel like we should take things more serious or you know like I don't know I just kind of wanted a title I guess but at the same time it's like what

Unknown (PA model)would change if we did have a title I'm not really too sure so yeah well I mean you would know he wants you more I guess I think I was looking for um like a little bit of like reassurance that's probably where what I was looking for well I think this is

Matt (StaySafeTV)what was in Brian's head and this is like I think this is the male point of view if he hasn't given that title after three months he's just kind of having fun with your problem and that's what I realize as well

TTS Readerum that's kind of my thinking too so yeah the marrow of engine donated 100 I have

TTS Readersampled every language French is my favorite fantastic language especially to curse with the numbers

Brian Atlasit's like wiping your ass with silk I love it okay that's there's somebody who's just like dropping like hundreds of dollars every stream to leave like movie quotes

Brian Atlasthat's from The Matrix part of the Matrix not the first one that's from the chat is it the Matrix from the second one or the third one yeah because he makes his first the mayor of engine makes his first

Brian Atlasappearance yeah in any case uh thank you the mayor of engine and then someone who speaks French that was beautiful okay um moving on uh what about you relationship situations yeah I'm in a

Kacerelationship okay I've been in a relationship for two years two years okay started dating in high school and I've known him since middle school since huh what middle school middle school

Brian Atlaswe've been friends since middle school okay yeah but and were you guys but you've been only dating for two years so you guys were friends beforehand okay yeah gotcha cool cool uh does he live

Kacehere or is it this long distance he does he goes to the same school as I do so cool it's pretty convenient um and it's nice he's great good times good times what about you mine's a little um mine's kind of

Armanicomplicated so I just moved here two days ago oh down here I'm from like Sac around that area and like I've had like a situationship ish for like the last

Armanitwo years as I've been single I've actually never dated anyone ever what well you said you've had this situation for two years so you're kind of dating him he's like dating but like not dating

Armaniso it like started as a friend like a hookup type thing it's weird so it's like started as like a Friends with Benefits yeah and then it moved into like no you're just my best friend like we both just kind of like friends on each other

Brian Atlasand then it like but still with Benefits no or they're so better cut off the benefits at that point so it's a two-year situationship started as friends with benefits how long did the Friends with Benefits period last that

Armaniwas a year we were just like yeah I'm bored like okay we can be F uh because I met him in high school you remind that so like the last year of high school was like that and then outside when high

Armanischool ended for us it was just like oh we're just friends friends and then but there's been some occasional no there was no occasional it was just like friends it just like dropped like

Armanithat okay you flirt oh yeah dude I want a free date free meal come on you're using him for free food no what's up I paid for his food too okay but he's

Armanilike a big dude I'm not gonna pay like he's a big for a meal that he's probably gonna finish mine so he's so he spent more money on the food than you have wait hold on no no he's just like six three so he's like definitely eats more

Brian Atlasthan me six three he plays how tall are you just out of curiosity six three four eleven okay so he played like offensive line so he's like a oh he's an o-line dude so he eats a lot and then um

ArmaniI don't know so like outside high school we just came like really close friends but then it kind of like transitioned into more like I think we like each other but like nobody ever made the first move to anything right so like he literally helped me pack like to move

Brian Atlasand everything and like say to my house that whole weekend and everything but then like we never became anything more it was just like oh bye I'm moving but you still like one of my best friends so you were friends with benefits for a

Brian Atlasyear and then just friends for a year

Armanithe last two it was about like six months friends six months like we're basically dating but like not dating so like occasionally hooking up sort of well it turned into more like dates like okay let's go to

Brian Atlasthe movies like let's do this no oh so then no hooking up no hookers occasional hookup occasional hookup but it wasn't like this first year where it was just like all the time just non-stop but then

Brian Atlasalso we're like whose fault was that do you think or is it kind of a mutual for what like well I mean like you guys you said that there was the passion and then the fire and

Armanithen the year a year comes around and then it's kind of Fizzles a little bit and then there was nothing and then it was friendly okay I feel like because he didn't I feel like because um I don't know so we didn't want to like

Armanibe with each other because we were both in like weird times in life it was like our last year high school was like I'm not gonna settle down for someone I'm gonna move to college soon like yeah why am I gonna settle down but then I was like oh I'm gonna take a gap year off College because like I'm I'm still young

Armanilike I'm 18 just starting college right now so I'm like okay but he in the like last year I just realized like maybe we are just better as friends but like if he would have asked me I probably

Brian Atlaswould have said yes but we both were just at weird ports in our life when's the last time you guys hung out hung out what is it long distance now that well you said okay I still talk to him every night oh you

Madisontalk to him on the phone everywhere you call him every night uh he calls me actually oh he calls you stop answering okay but he's like he wanted to he would ladies so like if he's your best friend he wants you but um

Gracewell I was going to say if he hasn't made the move then he doesn't want he doesn't want her right but he's calling her every night so men always do what they want to do you just moved away you're at a very transitional like time

Gracein your life even if you were to like get together right now like you how would that work for you that's what I'm saying I think we both know like we're at weird Parts in our lives like he doesn't even go to school right now and

Armanilike I don't know just keeping in touch just like besties and like maybe if I'm like single when I'm like 35 be like hey hey what are you doing it's okay to not know what you want yeah he was he

Brian Atlasdefinitely showed me what I need and don't need in my life that's good okay so I mean when's the last time that you guys in person hung out in like a romantic capacity

Armanijust moved here do you mean like a date or just like in general whatever well I mean literally like two days ago before you left he literally stayed the whole weekend at my house to help me pack and like clean everything even though I

Armanidid most of it and he just kind of watched me okay I was kind of fake is he seeing other girls okay I don't know well like

Armaniyes and no so like he used to but like recently like stopped and he's like I don't think I'm really looking for anyone besides you well I don't he never said that he didn't say that part okay I think we

Brian Atlasboth know but it's like he doesn't want to say it we both just don't want to admit it yeah okay and so um hold on were you seeing other guys

Armanium I never really look for people I don't look for people like I didn't look for him he just kind of found me he found me through one of my his friends that I actually was like talking to you mean some other guy found you okay so

Armaniactually this weird story I actually met him for one of his best friends who you were dating no oh okay I was talking to for like literally like a week maybe or two and then he introduced me to him and he's like hey

Armanihere's my friend and obviously like I'm gonna upgrade friends no offense because that dude was like five seven in like a little more you're 411 though how are you gonna hate

Armanion a on a five seven guy look at it think about it five seven verse six three why does that matter to you you're 4 11. it's fun you know I don't know five seven guy he was also way nicer he was

Armanimore like a like a teddy bear you know what I mean like a big teddy bear okay there's like this random dude that pretty much probably didn't like me okay you're walking it back so it's actually not about the height it's just well the highest was a plus

Armaniwhat would you do if what if I'm if I'm trying to date a guy yeah if you I like it again I'm gonna spoil this don't get me wrong we love short Kings because they're

Armanisuper sweet do we super well I do I like the thought of a short King someone's gotta love the five foot seven

Brian Atlasguys okay that's actually the lowest it should be the 411 girls 10 girls there's a link sent to the chat Chad's

Brian Atlasgroup just pull up the Instagram wait it's okay 411. so so you were kind of were you somewhat interested in this guy who was five seven I was but I feel like once he started liking me back I kind of was just like

Brian Atlasyou waited too long okay and then he was friends with the six three guy who you've been in a two-year situationship with is that oh oh wait no the first dude and I was kind of talking to him because I was bored

Armanibut but the 63 dude was one of his really close friends okay Eric do you have the image

Brian AtlasI we have a meme related to this oh no oh uh could you oh that's fine so sorry I don't take guys below six feet that's

Brian Atlasperfect that's actually you yeah um rip yeah he was five seven and you're four eleven right yeah but I'm more like are you sure you're not like four ten and a half

Armanithat I was 4 10 she's like you're not that short how tall is your mom she says five one and a half isn't that ironic uh like five nine okay

Matt (StaySafeTV)hmm can I talk to the short guys listen short guys in the audience you are so lucky if you're five six you're five seven you know any woman that's into you really loves you okay they're not any of

Matt (StaySafeTV)this you know physical [ __ ] they care about you it's genuine okay the short guys it's actually like sort of a built-in default vetting process that they have with their height they're lucky short guys are lucky here's the

Armanithing though short kings are really nice they're really sweet okay I've had a lot of short King besties that were like the nicest people I've ever met like Lily would get out and pump my gas before I even stopped like the car and I'm like

Armanioh you're so sweet would but would you date a guy who's five seven I'm making eye contact with you like I'd

Armani5-1 and I'm and like I can throw you on the bed that's a no-go what if what if the guy is five foot one but he makes 300 Grand a year Andy's Jack he's muscular no that's even worse because then he's

Matt (StaySafeTV)gonna look like a little like Roblox dude well I'm not saying it's a meatball he's got a good build all right she's a good looking guy no it's so so the height that little is the absolute deal breaker I think the lowest would be five seven

Brian Atlaslowest of five seven amazing all right good times good times okay so it's complicated so do you think there's going to be a definitive breakup with this guy now that you've moved here or do you think it's you're going to keep a

Brian Atlaslong distance thing or I feel like if he was to get a girlfriend back like where we live he'd probably cut me off oh and that brings me back to what I was asking previously I was asking if he was

Armaniseeing other girls like on the first year we were both just kind of like whoever we want like there's no like ties to us you know what I mean I was just like oh you're my friend like I see

Armanievery now and then but like I feel like the closer we got the more end it became more like just a desk gotcha and were you seeing other guys or were you like what was what were you up to before it

Armaniyeah yes but like in the last like six months to like a year well like I don't really like talk to people like I don't go out looking for people I'm just doing my own thing sure but like if someone finds me like

Armanilet's see let's just like Read Manga no uh like you said you don't talk to people so maybe you just like stay at home and like watching the man [ __ ] no I just work a lot keep myself busy okay focus on myself but like if someone

Gia Chaconfinds me randomly I'm like okay that's kind of cool okay rock and roll uh what about you I'm in a serious relationship we've been together for seven months and my longest relationship prior to this

Matt (StaySafeTV)one was about two and a half years okay cool well how'd you meet this guy because they're kind of all over the place yeah so we met through work actually okay yeah in Washington DC of all places and so is it kind of long distance depending

Gia Chaconon where you are and where he is or no we we don't live that far away from each other he's in California also oh okay okay and you're here enough to it's kind of normal yeah so I'm from Orange County so yeah it's very normal all right cool

MadisonI'm in a very lovely committed monogamous relationship with my boyfriend Frankie we've been together you're kind of sinking behind her if you can like oh I like can't really I'll just have to maybe Scoot a little

Madisontowards the mat there we go perfect we've been together for about like 10 and a half months

Madisonrock and roll do you have like a promise ring or something I do I always show it to them it's a promise ring okay wait what's the promise we love each other forever forever okay forever

Gia Chaconso a promise to ring is like it's like a pre-engagement ring almost like a commitment

Matt (StaySafeTV)or marriage when I hear promise ring I think of the Jonas Brothers like a decade ago

Matt (StaySafeTV)is that what it was it means they're not having sex yeah oh okay like a celibacy ring or something I didn't know that was a thing uh Matt what about you uh I have been

Matt (StaySafeTV)married for almost three years in September and uh we've got a two-year-old daughter and a son in one month so my wife is very very very pregnant

Brian Atlasright now and she's watching right now so hi hi Kathy hi Kathy congratulations congrats congrats um so you said Your son's uh due in about a month yep in August so hold on I

Brian Atlashave a question for you World of Warcraft announced that they're releasing hardcore rounds confirm or deny let's say the the realm releases on the due date let's be honest

Matt (StaySafeTV)you're gonna be home she's going to be a single mom yeah that's what no no I'm kidding of course that's terrible no if if listen if that comes out if the New World of Warcraft stuff happens on the due date

Matt (StaySafeTV)then I'm not playing wow then you got to be a dad for a couple weeks and you gotta you know help with the infant with the newborn stuff it's priorities well I was about to say you need to get your priorities straight because I mean

Brian Atlasthere's only one opportunity to be like you know fresh hardcore fresh what about fresh first born son that's cool I guess that's that's badass that's not bad news

Brian Atlasokay very cool so I just had one question just to bring it back to you so you just broke up with your boyfriend yes has there been a rebound no it was

Riaanjust yesterday I mean never say never but I actually just remembered something when you mentioned that you were married I'm actually married too I forgot

Brian Atlasum we're just operated what you're legally married I'm legally married

Riaanno it wasn't for that I'm like I'm leaving you're a citizen I'm not a citizen but I'm a permanent green card holder like I'm legal so that's how you got the green card no no not at all okay

Riaanwell I got married last year um but I've been living in America for 11 years now I've had my green card for 11 years okay okay how did you get the green card

Riaanum I'm not sure how the process was but I think my grandpa was already living in California and he petitioned for my mom my brother and I to come to America and

Matt (StaySafeTV)it took two years oh okay my wife is uh from Germany so she's been living in the U.S now and we so she got her green card and it was an absolute uh pain in the ass to go through this is during covet

Riaanall the almost nightmare absolute nightmare wow wait so you guys are separated we are separated we got separated um it was December 30th actually

Riaandid you file for divorce yet or are you planning to we're filing for annulment I just actually did the paperwork today yeah whose idea was it to separate it was Mutual we were not working out at

Riaanall like we were fighting all the time we just knew it would be best for us to separate so we wouldn't end up hating each other how long were you guys together before you got married oh God a month

Riaanyeah and why did you decide to get married um honestly we did it because we thought it would be funny we um I don't really I don't ever want to

Riaanget married I've never really taken marriage seriously and the day we decided to get married um we were actually both on shrooms and what had happened was I I'm a model

Riaanso I did a photo shoot with my best friend and the photo shoot we did was at a house and I posted it on my Instagram and my caption was oh like just got married and bought a house like as a

Riaanjoke and then when I was doing shrooms with my ex he brought up my Instagram post and he was like wouldn't it be so funny like if we got married and I was like yeah like that would be really

Riaanfunny and we were like okay like let's do it if we lost we lost like I'd be able to get my citizenship because I'm not a US citizen so a month later we got married okay listen men in the audience when you

Riaanguys are like 50 of marriages end in divorce okay this is padding the number that's one of them I do because now I have to go to court

Brian Atlasto get an annulment which is a pain in the ass yeah I bet yeah wait you said you didn't take marriage seriously why um was it the drugs that you were on when you decided to yeah later she still

Riaandid it yeah I still did it a month later so it wasn't really the drugs okay I guess I just thought it would be funny I don't know it was a very impulsive decision that I definitely regret how old were

TTS Readeryou when you did this 20 20. okay young people are impulsive uh did you did you have any around me just a donated 100 was there a prenup good to see you back

Matt (StaySafeTV)Mr meepon uh was there a prenup no there wasn't no prenup so did you have any problems dividing resources or money or anything or just it's pretty clean no it was very clean okay that's good

Riaanwow good times good times good times so you are you will soon be a divorcee yes or I don't know if I will be a divorce day because I'm gonna have an annulment so

Brian Atlasit's gonna just avoid the marriage as if you were never married I guess yeah okay you'll be in an annual analy

Gia Chaconso why do you think why do you think you don't take marriage seriously like where did that come from and like what do you think marriage is for like what do you think the purpose of marriage is I feel like

Riaanum growing up I've just never really been around healthy relationships so it's hard for me to really think about that right now especially um

Gracewould you say that after that experience you take marriage more seriously now or do you still have the same outlook on it well now I would definitely take marriage seriously but also at the same

Riaantime I don't really think I would ever want to actually get married besides what I did I don't think that really counts as a real marriage because it was a joke even though it was legal but my

Riaanwhole life I never really planned on actually getting married um I just don't really see a point in involving the government and my

Gia Chaconrelationship even though I did it I know but based yeah do you think that there's I mean outside of just like the legal status of being married do you think that there is something deep and

Riaanprofound about making a public declaration to value your life to someone else oh not really I just don't see the point okay do you

Madisonthink that like your joke marriage or whatever affected the way you think about marriages now or you're just like flat out no not at all now hey good to see you back man he's

TTS Readerabsolutely within her rights to prefer a man who is 0.01 of the population never mind when those guys use you as a spinner and toss you gents make sure you give the same

TTS Readerenergy toss her if she's 0.01 fatter than your preference uh your response to Mr sentience wait wait be fat no I don't think he's calling you

Brian Atlasif you're six three is it 0.01 or is it one I thought it was one percent oh I've seen a lot of people over six three well I think well okay I think it's

Brian Atlasdefinitely less than one percent of people are six three and above I think but I don't think it's 0.01 because I

Gracethink like over six feet is 15 percent so since though sense like for what I see walking around in the world

Brian Atlasyeah well everyone's talking well since we're uh by the way zentians very good to see you back in the chat man it's been a while since we've uh seen you so uh welcome back um why don't we actually go around the table on the height thing thank you for

Brian Atlasbringing that up sentience so do any of you have a height preference when it comes to to dating and also how tall are you so how tall are you and do you have a high preference if so what go ahead

Gracefive [Music]

Gracefive I am so you data guys five five like sometimes I have a hard time like telling how tall people

Graceare the me are way shorter than me it's just not that apparent or obvious to me it's not something that like sticks out would it bother you if you were wearing heels and your and your guy was like an inch shorter than you

Grace've been in that situation um no but I guess if I had to like pick I

Gracewould say tall for like genetic reasons I feel like tall people um are like valued more in society and

Gracehave like better agility and ability so I would consider that for like procreating so so you would want a taller man to have kids with as opposed had to pick

Gracea pick they can help you and it's kind of nice to look at but good thing I don't have to pick so well what does that mean you don't have to pick like there's all kinds like I feel like there's like different like

Graceit's not that important to me like there's other factors like personality and stuff but if I had two guys that I really liked who were like equally as available and had like the same things

Matt (StaySafeTV)and one was tall and one was not I would pick that's all you pick the tall guy and kids are something you want to have

Gracelike I would have kids if it's the right time and I'm in a good situation where I feel like I can nurture them properly and like it's also I can have a good

Gracelife and do the things I want to do but I wouldn't just have a kid because I feel like I need to for some reason and not be like stable enough to support

Riaanthat yeah sure what about you I'm 5'2 and I'd like to date someone who's at least five five I guess because I wear a lot of platforms

Unknown (PA model)but I don't think I really care too much honestly okay um I'm gonna agree with her I'm 5'2 as well I think five five is like

Kaceis five five is like the shortest that I would consider dating okay yes um I'm 411 and my boyfriend is five

Kaceseven so he's a short King oh you're four eleven too but yeah but I'm also short so it kind of works out um okay I've talked and dated guys that were as short

Kaceas five two um I grew up with a mom who's taller than my dad my dad's five one um and my mom's five three so I guess I never really took height into that much

Kaceconsideration I think for me personally I just prefer someone to be a couple inches taller than me and I don't think it's too hard to find that because I'm already so short so uh yeah but

Armaniis it my turn yeah okay well you kind of already went well don't get me wrong though five seven isn't short I'm not calling you guys short Kings you're still like you're like the six foot equivalent to

Armanime to me sure but sorry to offend any five seven or up but anything under five seven I'm so sorry guys have they been coming for you in the chat I haven't been oh yeah rip

Gia Chaconum what about you I'm 5'3 I honestly don't pay too much attention to height my boyfriend is tall which is great but honestly

Gia Chaconum I look at other qualities obviously personality and being able to have a connection is really important but I look at other traits like are they going to be a good leader are they a provider

Gia Chacondo they have other masculine traits that I'm interested in and I think that even um you know outside of physical appearance although physical appearance is important and having that physical attraction I think having masculine

Madisonqualities um is more important mdog I'm 5'2 I honestly don't really care that much about how it like like you said luckily my boyfriend is my

Madisonboyfriend's like 5 11. he sometimes he says six foot but the shortest they all do yeah they all do my ex-boyfriend was five six I didn't have

Madisona problem with it at all I think being taller is a plush so like I think being like guys like shorter girls so yeah yeah just tuning into what you just said there so you said

Brian Atlasyou guys were kind of joking about how like a lot of guys will exaggerate their High lie about their height is that has that been your guys's experience that maybe some of you have been on dating apps where

Brian Atlasyou know a guy claims he's six feet but actually he's like five ten or you know maybe he it's a he's a different height maybe he's five six and he says he's five nine something like that have any of you

Unknown (PA model)experienced that on for example a dating app yes the guys do it to be honest even if it's just like an inch or like two inches more sure like

Brian Atlasand I maybe a show of hands from the table do you guys think it's wrong for men to misrepresent or lie about their height on a dating app do you think it's wrong it's like catfishing you don't

Armaniwant a girl I don't think it's wrong it depends to what extent because like I understand like I round up a little bit if you want to round up like maybe like an inch I'll give you that but

TTS Readerextensions donated 100 we'll come back to that hey thanks 0.3 inches is one percent of the U.S male population I was just being hyperbolic but I wouldn't

TTS Readerneed to explain it as much seeing as how majority of this panel's favorite color is clear with a personality to match any men who claim these girls should reconsider

Brian Atlasum favorite color is clear okay uh zentiences are don't take it personally he's our resident roaster I think he's been he's been throwing back the whiskey so

Brian Atlasum and he recently my understanding is he was in Vegas um I was actually in Vegas with him and uh he's got deep [ __ ] Pockets

Brian Atlassentience I'm talking like made a [ __ ] are you interested maybe I could get you guys connected in any case me and him were in Vegas and Like I said Deep

Brian AtlasPockets he made up [ __ ] Millions on Doge and gme like the stock [ __ ] um million like seven figures on or excuse me eight figures on Doge and he

Brian Atlaslost uh he lost a million dollars we were playing um what's it called back around huh blocker out huh block her up huh

Brian Atlasmakagra

Madisonum what's the one where the the Agumon oh roulette roulette oh my God Jesus

Brian Atlashe lost a million dollars an actual one million dollars for like the next five years sentience is a degenerate Gambler I I

Brian Atlasactually I was tempted to check him into a rehab facility so he's he's a little salty so if he takes it out on you guys tonight I just want you to know don't take it personally he just lost a [ __ ]

Madisonton of money just saying okay um is he a gambler he lost a million yeah I know but like in general like is he consistent with gambling or was that just like a one-time thing

Matt (StaySafeTV)I mean with gamma you normally end up losing well I gotta asked so when Brian said that sentient was a millionaire you perked up so is that the number one thing you're looking for in a man's

Gracemoney um no but I feel like people like assume that about me a lot so I like to joke about it okay so you just kind of play into it yeah but really it's not as

Graceimportant no it's not that it's like not the most important thing what's the minimum amount of money a man has to make in order to date you we'll come back to the high thing after that

Matt (StaySafeTV)um if he's making what if he's like a giga Chad he's six foot three top one percent but he's making looks good makes 50 uh 50 Grand a year

GraceI would date and someone I would like settle down with or like get married to okay you know like if I was just dating someone as long as they like can pay for their own stuff they don't want me to

Gracepay for things they have like money to do stuff they're not always in a bad situation and they have some sort of ambition and like Drive in their life then I they could make like just a

Graceminimum amount of money to do those things but if I was like gonna build a life with someone then I would need a pretty good amount of money to have the life

TTS Readerthat I would want but I like to work too yeah and I like to make mine too I'm not looking for somebody probably like 21.99 better to live in a desert than with a quarrelsome and nagging wife

Brian Atlasgreat wife that doesn't nag you what what if she started out what if she started out as a great wife but then you know there was a steady decline into

Matt (StaySafeTV)just a total grating personality you know so why do you think that happened why did it happen did you not do was it your failure as the man to not vet that woman properly enough no because that's the point of the dating processes

Gia Chaconthey're not providing for her emotionally and I think well sorry go ahead continue maybe you're not fulfilling your all the duties that you should be as a husband and so she feels

Brian Atlasa lack because of that no I don't think so I I think in these situations I think in these situations the man is never to blame in these no

Brian AtlasI'm kidding yeah I'd say it's hard to attribute who's to blame in this in these situations but it's often a complaint that you hear from Men about uh their partner being you often don't

Brian Atlashear women complaining about men not being nagging you hear other complaints but you don't often hear women complain about men nagging them let me let me give a situation let's say I'm going to make a business a multi-million dollar business and I'm you know I'm going to

Matt (StaySafeTV)go into business with a business partner it's you okay we're making a business multi-million dollar deals are on the table and we've only known each other for three or four months we don't know each other that very well yeah and after

Matt (StaySafeTV)two or three years I find out that you're a rat scumbag you've been embezzling money you've been screwing me over every step of the way most people would blame me for not vetting you well enough and I think

Matt (StaySafeTV)that's fair right I'd be at fault for not properly because we got into business pretty on short and I think both people would have accountability I mean well obviously you shouldn't be you transgressed right but I didn't I didn't do my due diligence in

Matt (StaySafeTV)in vetting my business partner sure that's how I look at a marriage also right I think when I'm looking at this is my advice to most people if you want to marry someone you want to see how they are in the fall winter spring summer you want to see do they get seasonal depression do they do things that make you uncomfortable are they

Matt (StaySafeTV)annoying around the house are they how are they dressed there's 10 million different little micro variables you need to vet out and this is the process of dating um and so part of it is like well what if your wife becomes a psycho five years

Matt (StaySafeTV)into the marriage well I think I think more often than not you can vet for them I think so and I think people I think people are not approaching dating from that mindset and I think they probably should

Brian Atlasyeah I mean certainly I certainly I think each partner has a responsibility like you said to do their due diligence and screen for potential things that could be an issue down the road my my

Brian Atlasthinking is though however is that I do think and look I think I don't think one party Bears all the blame or all the responsibility uh or accountability I do

Brian Atlasthink that there's a potential once you've been put for example and I think this is typically when it comes to the women once you've secured the bag AKA wedding okay

Brian Atlasmarriage um you know it kind of does give an opportunity first for potentially either partner to uh start feeling a little

Brian Atlascomfortable in that relation and comfortable in a bad way you know so um for example comfortable disrespecting your partner potentially um so

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