03:49:38Brian Atlaswho are not being misrepresenting who are misrepresenting um because what what happens is you have
03:49:50Brian Atlasmen who are more than prepared to sleep with a girl who is less attractive than them so men will sleep with women that they would
03:50:01Brian Atlasmen will sleep with women of a certain attractive attractiveness level that they would never commit to just just based off purely their physical appearance because men
03:50:12Brian AtlasNot all men but a fair amount of men will sleep with women that are less attractive than them because they welcome the easy access to sex that's interesting I've actually heard the opposite from the red pill community
03:50:25Farah Khalidithat like you should like [ __ ] the nines and tens but you should date the six and sevens because they're way less likely to be narcissistic way less likely to cheat way less likely to advertise themselves on Instagram now I'm with Brian on this one I think that that men will do that they have much lower
03:50:38Brian Atlasstandards for who they will sleep with versus who they will get into committed relationships based off physical attractiveness Yeah Yeah well yeah and among other things yeah and and the difference is is generally speaking I would say in order for a woman to sleep
03:50:51Brian Atlaswith a guy if we're speaking just off of physical attractiveness for a woman to sleep with guy he needs to be at least physically attractive enough for her to consider being in a relationship with
03:51:02Brian Atlashim now the same typically isn't the case for men men will sleep with women of say a lower physical attractiveness
03:51:14Brian Atlasbut they would never be in a long-term committed relationship with them so I guess where I'm trying to draw this back to the rating system if if women
03:51:26Brian Atlasdon't have a reasonable self-assessment of their own physical attractive kind of well if if yeah because because
03:51:37Brian Atlaswomen can fairly easily sleep with men that are more physically attractive than them but not only more physically attractive than them women can very easily sleep with men who have more
03:51:47Brian Atlasstatus than them who are uh have better personalities than them who have more money than them and so
03:51:59Brian Atlasrelating this back to I guess your original question um and and why it's important for women to have a reasonable self-assessment of their own physical attractiveness um
03:52:12Farah Khalidisorry I see what you're saying so like if the girl thinks she's a 10 but she's a five and then the guy she's dating is like yeah I want to date you but you're it'd be easier to parse through whether he's lying or not if you have like an accurate assessment of your own look if
03:52:24Brian Atlasyou know where you stand then you're because you might be chasing after like a certain tier of man with the hope of get locking him down for a relationship
03:52:35Brian Atlaseven though that's very low likelihood or impossible because he's just so physically attractive and women have access women have sexual access to these like really attractive men that again
03:52:46Brian Atlaswill never commit to them and so if they have a Unreal a delusional self-assessment of their own physical attractiveness then they're going to think I deserve that guy but the guy who
03:52:58Brian Atlaswould actually be prepared to commit to them they overlook him and think well they think they're settling for the guy who's actually there looks equivalent who's actually on their level but they
03:53:09Brian Atlasview it they're going to view it as I'm settling so uh yeah yeah that happens all the time yeah and uh
03:53:22Brian Atlasso I'm sorry but what was your original question about hookup culture I kind of went on a bit of a artist Andrew controls hookup culture men or women yeah and I I think women do because they
03:53:32Brian Atlascontrol access to sex and and your point was that well some men are going to be deceptive and misrepresent their intentions I think that's I think that's wrong um I think both people are lying
03:53:45Orion Tarabangenerally on the first date the guys pretending that he wants a relationship and on the first date the woman's pretending that she's okay with keeping things casual and I think that actually
03:53:55Orion Tarabanthat's a good Trojan Horse to get into a relationship a lot of guys are going to be spooked if you show up on the first date asking and demanding where is this going what do you want what are your
03:54:06Orion Tarabanplans that's not really what that sounds like a job interview and that's going to be off-putting to a lot of guys who might not be interested in getting to know you
03:54:18Orion Tarabanafter that point it's like how do I know what I want from you when I'm just meeting you so being willing to go with things is sort of like the Trojan Horse to get into a relationship
03:54:31Orion Tarabanthink about some of like the best relationships that you've had if you've had a lot of experience oftentimes it's when you're like ah you know this is just for a summer or it's nothing serious and you know he's going to move
03:54:43Orion Tarabanaway in a few months so it's not going to go anywhere and then you end up developing these really intense feelings for each other partly because there are these like limiting factors that make it
03:54:53Shelby Allysafer for you to be yourself and to show up in more like authentic and emotional ways yeah I think the best relationships usually come at the most unexpected times and I don't think it's the best
03:55:06Shelby Allyidea to ask like where is this going what are you exactly looking for on the first date because you just met them and you I think you should get to know them first a little bit it's also not natural and you're putting
03:55:18Alicia Tunisialike too much pressure into something that's supposed to be seamless and natural and you know two people that are trying to get to know each other and also I mean in general like even using any sort of dating app like already it's kind of like
03:55:30AbigailI don't know it's not very natural it's not organic I disagree with that because because there's a lot of there's a lot like I think it's more of a Time Saver if you ask upfront because usually guys
03:55:43Abigailalready know what they want you know like I've I've asked before um like like hey what are you looking
03:55:52Abigailfor or I've been asked and I'll say oh well I'm looking for a relationship and what about you the guy will say oh
03:56:01AbigailI'm just looking to hook up so you know if you don't know that up front you the whole time you'll be pursuing a relationship with that guy
03:56:12Orion Tarabanand in his mind he's just trying to hook up and did you sleep with that person no see it's a self-correcting problem the next time that guy is asked that question even if he wants to hook up he's not going to say that
03:56:27Orion Tarabanwell some guys are honest though yeah they're honest until they realize their honesty isn't getting them what they want so if you punish the truth you're asking to be lied to
03:56:38Brian Atlasalso just to come back to farha did I say right far for her yeah to come back to your point um you were saying that well women typically they're interested more so in
03:56:50Brian Atlaslong-term in relationships and men are more interested in casual sex but yeah I mean I mean I've heard you say that sex is the precipice of a relationship have I
03:57:00Farah Khalidisaid that yeah is precipice even in my vocabulary I was thoroughly impressed are you sure precipice you said precipice I said precipice yeah sure it's not like some other red pill guy or so you said sex isn't the presence of a
03:57:12Farah Khalidirelationship in modern dating so I would only see hookup culture you know the onus being on women if you didn't believe that and you thought women should hold out until they're in relationships but you were saying I think your point was that uh
03:57:24Farah Khalidiwomen have it better in terms of dating because they're able to secure men for [ __ ] and then from there they could develop it into a relationship sure so my point was um it would be consistent for you to say like women control hookup culture if
03:57:36Farah Khalidithey hold out sex until they're in relationships but then not being consistent with your other point and the other thing I was going to say I've also heard I think you've said this as well it's a higher percentage of women who believe they're in a monogamous
03:57:47Farah Khalidirelationship than men which kind of proves that men are sleeping with other women on the side and not being honest about it with women right I think you're referencing that there's
03:57:57Brian Atlasa Pew study that came out recently that said that within I think the ages of 18 to 30 I don't know the exact age range maybe let's say 18 to 30. 63 percent of women
03:58:10Brian Atlasin that age demographic considered themselves in relationships whereas something like 20 to 30 percent of men in that same age cohort considered themselves single right I guess my point was that kind of just proves maybe men are misrepresenting
03:58:23Farah Khaliditheir intentions because those women could think they're in monogamous relationships or a lot of my female friends in college have thought like oh this guy told me he's only seeing me and then if I become friends with the guy I find out he tells me he's like oh yeah no I am sleeping with other women so I I yeah that's why I'm saying like I
03:58:36Orion Tarabanthink men control hookup culture men control I mean I don't think so because I think the desire to sleep with multiple women has been around since men have been on this
03:58:47Orion Tarabanplanet but it wasn't really possible until there was a loosening of let's say social mores about that and even if that desire has been constant for thousands of years why haven't there been hookup culture for
03:59:01Farah Khalidithousands of years like what's changed in recent times feel like she pointed out the sexual Revolution and say it Farah feminism
03:59:13Brian Atlasthe difference is that now people are more likely to have sex before they get into relationships sure yeah yeah well I and I mean you you did say one thing which I disagree with a little bit and you said that while women want
03:59:26Brian Atlasrelationships more and men are kind of more interested in casual sex I don't know if that's actually true because I mean there's there's a whole lot of women that seem to very willingly and happily maybe happily isn't the right word to engage
03:59:38Brian Atlasin hook up culture that will sleep with guy once with no intention of seeing him again we'll be traveling hope hook up with a guy while she's traveling she's on spring break hook up with a guy there
03:59:49Brian AtlasI mean um are you from California okay so like where the city we're in we're we're in Santa Barbara UCSB is one of the number one party schools in the
04:00:00Brian AtlasU.S and here in this little square mile Isla Vista there's a pretty rampant like hook-up culture and I'd say in a lot of I don't know if a lot but in a lot of
04:00:11Brian Atlasuniversities especially in college there's definitely like hook up culture people are going on the weekends partying hooking up um and uh this Trope that women are so
04:00:24Brian Atlasdesirous of of having relationships I don't I think there's there's there there's a truth to that but I think I
04:00:36Farah Khalidisee a lot of women pretty happily engaging in hookup culture yeah I guess it depends by the location and like the campus scene but even the women who do participate in hookup culture knowing that it's just a casual hookup like this
04:00:48Farah Khalidiis purely anecdotal but I see again like from my friends in college they'd still be waiting around to see if that guy will text her so they still have emotional interest and they're hoping it'll develop into something more she's hoping she can change him yeah I think
04:00:59Orion Tarabanthe idea of hook up culture like there's just totally random casual sex and that's it he's probably overstated in social media and in our culture I think that same peace study suggests that men
04:01:11Orion Tarabanand women both are having less sex today than they did 10 years ago it's like I I think that there's actually becoming less of that because men and women are
04:01:22Orion Tarabangetting like not on the same page as much these days for lots of different reasons and that's why men often have problems with with online issues and and women often
04:01:33Orion Tarabanget caught up in social media there's we're not really seeing eye to eye in a lot of ways anymore and dating is riskier in some respects than it's ever been
04:01:45Bernadineum I don't know if you already moved on but like the question about the hookup culture and who has control of it yeah like my personal take is that it is women because like you said we're gate keepers of it if we understood like the risk that
04:01:58Bernadinewe're taking when we sleep with a man who's not committed to us we could literally get pregnant by him and not have him around the next day so like you don't want to get pregnant and have to
04:02:09Bernadinecarry that child for nine months without support without that strong provision and that strong protection and so we need to think long
04:02:18Bernadineterm and I also think that fathers are a huge influence in stopping hookup culture you know because they can teach their daughters the importance of this they
04:02:31Bernadinecan be that strong Father Figure to tell them not to have sex with any man that they must commit themselves to you for life because then that's a form of protection for your heart you know not just your body but your heart and your spirit and your your mind that way you
04:02:44Bernadinedon't have to be depressed you don't have to worry about an unplanned pregnancy you don't have to worry about being a single mom and things like that because you're taught that you are valuable that you are precious you know
04:02:56Bernadinethat you must commit to a man who loves you and will raise children with you because you need that and so I think it's both women for sure because they
04:03:06Bernadineget to say yes or no but I think fathers will bring that Revolution back when they're when they teach their daughters what a strong man looks like and what to
04:03:18Bernadinelook for in a future husband and they get to be that standard in that example and they can change you know the way that things are going wait so so far do you think that
04:03:29Farah Khalidiit's men are to blame for hookup culture or you think it's both a blame thing I guess I was saying who creates the culture of casual sex I'm not even vilifying who creates the culture of casual sex okay and I would say it's
04:03:40Bernadineprobably the party that wants casual sex right I think it's feminism and fatherlessness which but happens at the same time because wives are taught to leave their
04:03:52Brian Atlashusbands and then daughters grow up without their fathers but the thing is is that far fewer men are capable or do engage in hookup culture
04:04:03Farah KhalidiI don't think that's true what's the what's the next was it like a third it's more than women that can't uh yeah but I'm still saying that leaves open like the two-thirds of
04:04:14Brian Atlasmen who are able to [ __ ] well but two-thirds two-thirds of men can't easily participate in hookup culture the the one-third of men I think
04:04:25Brian Atlasthe stat is the report that uh in the past year they've not had sex um but that doesn't mean that the other two-thirds of men are just able to crush it like every [ __ ] weekend like just
04:04:36Brian Atlasgo out and bang a new chick um I would say that's reserved for the top tier of men I would I want to say the top 10 percent of men are able to
04:04:46Brian Atlaslike consistently get with a new girl once a week maybe I mean that's pretty remarkable but um whereas the
04:04:57Brian Atlasability to I would say almost any woman even unattractive women if they were so inclined could [ __ ] a new guy every single day of the of the week and for
04:05:09Farah Khalidifor a guy to be able to do that that's reserved for like men not only good looking men but men with status yeah I guess hookup culture usually uh refers to like college campuses so
04:05:22Farah Khalidithere's already a certain status there in terms of being able to afford College get into college so I feel like men who go to college maybe are more attractive than like the average sample so they probably have easier time [ __ ] like I think the insult population at college is probably a
04:05:35Farah Khalidilittle bit smaller than it is for the general population well I mean I think hookup culture extends Beyond college but I certainly that's that's usually where the conversation takes place I'm just saying um who do you think has more to benefit like the guy or the girl for trying to
04:05:49Farah Khalidiconvince women that you'll be more empowered you'll like have way more fun having casual sex is it like the cohorts of women who are like comforting each other because they can't get a text back from a guy they hooked up with last week or no women can have multiple orgasms so
04:06:01Orion Tarabanit's a tough tough one there in terms of uh who gets the benefit from a sexual yeah is there anybody else that's like sex positive here I mean I like sex and I is is there any women here that don't
04:06:12Orion Tarabansee a sexual encounter that didn't end in a committed relationship not a sin or a mistake excellent I don't know what you asked like does any sexual encounter with a man that
04:06:24Amberdoesn't end a committed relationship a sin or a mistake so can it be a positive absolutely experience I don't think it's necessarily bad sleeping with people I
04:06:35Amberthink it's more so the amount of people you're sleeping with and how available you're making yourself to those men because I feel like us as women we do
04:06:45Amberopen the gates to allowing men to be the way that they are sometimes but I guess it also just depends on the person too
04:06:56Orion TarabanI I just want to bring it back to you so uh and if anyone else wants to jump in you know feel free yeah I'll say one more thing here I think that there's like this eternal arms race between men and women
04:07:08Orion Tarabanand I think it kind of boils down like this is that all things being equal men generally want as much sex as they can get with as little
04:07:18Orion Tarabantime and expenditure of resources as possible and with the most freedom on the other hand I think that most women want as much time energy and
04:07:28Orion Tarabanattention and securement of resources they can for the least provision of sex all other things being equal and that's sort of like the negotiation between men and women that occurs in the sexual
04:07:41Orion TarabanMarketplace when women say that like it's bad to have sex outside of a committed relationship on some level what they're saying is that they're giving it away too cheaply
04:07:52Orion Tarabanand it's like okay well why is that well it's like the idea here is you might be able to get more for your sex than you're currently getting and that's a problem for you sister right
04:08:04Abigailokay I think they're we're going to wrap up here pretty soon um but uh what about what about
04:08:12Abigailum like if because they're for like you you guys you should um be committed when you have sex with someone
04:08:23Abigailwake up everybody but what about what if you do commit to somebody and the sex is whack
04:08:34Orion TarabanI think that's an excellent point I'm with you on that one it's like for me a sexual relationship is where you get to have sex I know that sounds obvious but it's like the only legitimate relationship you have in society where
04:08:45Orion Tarabanyou can get that it's like your job is where you can get money there's like no other relationship that you have that exists in society where you can get money so why not really prioritize the
04:08:56Orion Tarabanfinancial dimensions of your job it's like everything else that you can get from a marriage you can get um you can get outside of a sexual
04:09:09Orion Tarabanrelationship except sex like you can get partnership you can get commitment you can get loyalty you can get support you can even get children you can get money time and attention you
04:09:20Orion Tarabancan get all those things what's unique to a sex relationship is sex and I think it makes sense to prioritize that so you're you just going back to your
04:09:30Abigailpoint you're saying well what if the sex is black yeah like like don't like what's wrong with giving it a test drive before you come in ain't nothing wrong
04:09:40Brian Atlaswell um I one thing I would point out is is for you to be bad in bed as a woman you have to severely be [ __ ] up in some
04:09:52Brian Atlasway like it's like I just can't imagine it happens it happens it's so easy like it's so easy to be
04:10:06Brian Atlasgood in bed maybe that's because most men just are really stoked to be there I think yeah most men if they're again like supposedly they're they're [ __ ] yeah but I think there's a higher performance
04:10:17Bernadineburden on men sexually speaking than women but uh I think you can find out you know before you actually have sex you can find out if you have sexual chemistry
04:10:28Bernadineit's not just the actual genitals how involved well if you have chemistry looking at each other holding hands you know being around each other if you have that connection emotionally mentally
04:10:41Bernadinelike you can talk for hours and it feels like it's only been two minutes there's so many factors that communicate connections and so you can find out before you actually have
04:10:53Orion Tarabansex if you have chemistry could you find out if you have emotional Chemistry by having sex
04:11:01Orion Tarabanwhat you're saying is that you can kind of find out that you have sexual chemistry without having sex which I'm curious about so you can if I and if it's like just had sex with a woman could I know if we had like
04:11:12Bernadinecommunication chemistry you find out before you have sex no I'm saying in my hypothetical situation no you find out if you have communication Chemistry by communicating right correct yeah so you find out if you have sexual Chemistry by having sex so why can't you find out if
04:11:25Bernadineyou have chemistry from communication which if you have chemistry there it's not the same thing then how am I I have an amazing sex life and we saved it for marriage and in fact but she's
04:11:38Shelby Allynot gonna she's not waiting until marriage I just wanted to mention I know but you don't have to sleep what's up what's up go ahead go ahead um I respect everyone's beliefs as I mentioned I'm
04:11:47Shelby Allynot necessarily sex positive for myself but um I I still think sex is great I mean I I do love God and that's why I'm waiting but I mean I would want to do it
04:11:58Shelby Allyminus the two minus the two but I'm forgiven I'm forgiving indiscretions yeah but but I do think sex is I mean I want to have sex I think sex is good good times but okay just to go back to your point really quick um
04:12:11Brian AtlasI you're saying what if the sex is black I don't think that's a thing that really guys think about that's more I think that's the thing chicks think about like bro I've never I've never been worried
04:12:22Brian Atlaslike oh man one of the what what if like the sex is because for me with the girl who just lays on her back the whole time what okay if you know how to take leads
04:12:34Orion Tarabansexually then like but how do you know that if you're a virgin too and no one taught you it's like there's this idea that men just sort of are supposed to know what to do
04:12:45Brian Atlasbut I guess the point I'm trying to make is is that at least for me I've never personally encountered like a girl has to [ __ ] up to make the sex
04:12:57Brian Atlaslike you have to intentionally try to make the sex bad somebody can learn well yeah you can learn but like I I'm never thinking like oh man what if the sex is whack with her now I
04:13:09Brian Atlasthink women can think that because women typically look to men to lead in the bedroom but like if you're a guy and you have some degree of sexual experience you can take a girl who's never had sex
04:13:20Brian Atlasand had have great sex with her but I don't think the reverse is necessarily the case I don't think a girl a lot of girls I don't think want a guy who is sexually inexperienced unless of course
04:13:32Brian Atlaslike you're waiting until marriage you want a virgin whatever but like most women who are not waiting until marriage and are virgins want to have to teach a guy how to [ __ ] them certainly one of the things that's most attractive to
04:13:45Orion Tarabanwomen is confidence how do you have confidence in something you've never done before because you will pay that confidence with her confidence is the felt experiences
04:13:54Alicia Tunisiathe confidence your first sexually well you do kind of have to take it for a while a guy has like confidence in like everything women can tell yes of course they can because they can tell
04:14:06Brian Atlasthe difference between fake confidence and real confidence you think that women can tell the difference I think I think fake I tell you but but you were talking about a pillow princess right I don't think like a guy
04:14:19Brian Atlaswould care there's a lot of ways that could go wrong though I mean I could tell a girl like okay I want you in this position I could move you like most chicks wouldn't want to like but do that for a guy like okay let me
04:14:32Brian Atlasteach you how to [ __ ] me whereas like I'd be fine teaching a girl how to [ __ ] what if you put her in a doggy and then she's like this oh her Arch is dog [ __ ] like she doesn't know how to arch her
04:14:43Abigailback yeah yeah I guess that could be kind of or or or I'll teach y'all push her down what if she's going like down on you when you feel her teeth
04:14:53Orion Tarabanlike that I give great [ __ ] instructionals I I can teach a girl how to give a good [ __ ] what if she doesn't not by example though I don't not by example I mean I think in general if you're hiring somebody for a position
04:15:06Orion Tarabanit's like what's more attractive somebody who's like willing to learn or someone who already knows what to do do you think women definitely willing to learn by his past previous sexual partners I don't think either partner
04:15:19Bernadinewants to be compared to previous parts so it's not like oh I'm so glad you've slept with 50 women now you can do that with me like no I wouldn't most women would not want that uh well they wanted
04:15:30Brian Atlasbut but you can you can gather you can gather sexual experience within the confines of a long-term relationship people that have like this idea that the more sexual partners you have the better
04:15:41Brian Atlasin bed you are is is erroneous because I I would say that someone who's had maybe a handful of long-term relationships has probably had more sex than someone who's just like having one-night stands here
04:15:53Brian Atlasand there so you're having more sex so I think you're going to be more experienced in that realm you get the quality and the quantity so this idea that a woman who's only had one or two or three sexual partners is going to be worse in the bedroom than the woman who's had 100 one-night stands I
04:16:07Brian Atlasactually I don't think so at all I think a woman who's had one two three long-term relationships and and has had a lot of sex with those men um I mean to be fair she should be a virgin but um yeah and pushing that
04:16:19Bernadinerhetoric doesn't really encourage the whole like gate keep your body message to women because if you're saying if you're saying men need to have that experience with other women well guess what those other women are going to be
04:16:31Alicia Tunisiaincreasing their body count so because I think it's different for women like women have way more risks uh
04:16:40Alicia Tunisiayeah for like even a one night stand like you can get pregnant you know STDs like hello like there's so many risks and then of course like even the smallest thing where it's like you'll never hear from the guy again and you're
04:16:53Brian Atlasdoing so much for like a stranger like if you're that horny why can't you use a toy okay uh just bringing it back to farha here did I say your name right
04:17:04Brian Atlasdid I say it right this time okay um so just really quick on the hookup thing and then let's I have one or two soup chats and then we're gonna wrap the show um
04:17:15Brian Atlasagree or disagree and perhaps I can open this up to the rest of the panel who is more capable of being promiscuous men or women
04:17:24Brian Atlaswomen okay I mean so wouldn't that lends itself a bit to women have more control when it comes to hook up culture we already talked about this women are The Gatekeepers of sex but I was saying men misrepresent their
04:17:37Farah Khalidiintentions they misrepresent whether they're being exclusive to that woman and that could lead the woman to kind of open up the gate under a false premise but do you think all women who
04:17:48Brian Atlaswho are engaging in sex they're it's always like going in with the intention of having a long-term relationship I'm sure there's women that go out to parties go out to clubs and they're like
04:17:58Brian Atlashe's hot hook up like I don't think all women have sex in pursuit of a relationship necessarily not all do you think I think it's very socially
04:18:09Orion Tarabanunacceptable to admit that but women will give sex goes down at the club yeah goes down at the bar
04:18:19Orion Tarabanthe women will provide sex even not under false pretenses and think about traveling too [ __ ] it goes down when
04:18:30Brian Atlaswhen you're traveling you know that there's no shot of anything long term if you're doing [ __ ] Euro Rail Pass in Europe
04:18:42Brian Atlaslike people hook up when they're traveling so well there's no expectation of long-term there kind of what makes it safer it's like I think that a lot of men have this idea well I think women
04:18:53Orion Tarabanhave this idea that all men want sex and that's true um but it's not the only thing that we want and I think the converse is that men can have this idea that all women want a relationship
04:19:03Orion Tarabanand I don't think that that's as true as the opposite it's like women want a relationship just from the people that they want to have the relationship from like a lot of guys will lead with the relationship as if it's like
04:19:16Farah Khalidithat's all a woman wants that's the be-all and end-all of her like objectives here does that make sense yeah I think it's like two bell curves like there are definitely a lot of men
04:19:29Farah Khalidiwho want relationships and there's a lot of women who want casual sex I was more so talking about like the averages in relation to the traveling thing I don't think flings fall into the category of hookup culture because hookup culture pretty much means like emotionless sex I think like if you travel and you're like
04:19:42Farah Khalidion vacation for two weeks or a month it's not a long-term relationship but I think if there's emotions involved or it's like a romantic thing that I don't think that puts it under culture I think
04:19:51Brian AtlasPaul I mean I I would think like uh if you're in in Mykonos or some kind of some place for three days and there's a guy and you [ __ ] him like
04:20:03Farah Khalidithat's hookup culture I guess some people consider if you had the romance it's no longer hookup like casual hook well I think if there's no Prospect of a long-term relationship it falls under the umbrella of hookup
04:20:15Brian Atlasculture cool Good Times um I'm trying to think there's I had one more question then um okay uh
04:20:24Brian Atlaswho who let me ask the women who here who here has made a guy wait for sex show of hands share of hands made a guy wait for sex
04:20:37Brian Atlashave you made a guy wait for sex yeah
04:20:43Brian Atlaslike you liked him um maybe he wanted to have sex and maybe it was the first or second date and you're like let's wait a little bit you liked him he wanted it but you're
04:20:57Brian Atlaslike let's wait right I think that was pretty much everyone except farha right
04:21:06Brian Atlasso for those of you who answered that how many times has a guy made you wait for sex once one time
04:21:19Alicia Tunisiahas a guy ever made you wait for sex just vocalize if you can no but that's not usually I mean that's
04:21:30Alicia Tunisianever what I'm looking for so I mean as a woman it's like I feel like you have to keep that because I feel like that's a really important part of your body and your soul I mean guys are
04:21:42Alicia Tunisiathey don't work that way meaning like I'm sure if you walked up to them and you said that which I don't I mean I'm sure they would say yes and of course I'm on social media and they want to do that all the time that doesn't mean that
04:21:53Brian AtlasI'm gonna say yes sure has a guy ever made you wait for sex of your two indiscretions okay what about you no actually which is a nice thing to be
04:22:05Brian Atlashonest has a guy ever made you wait for sex no wait close a little closer you can scoot your channel no Tegan no guy never made you wait for sex Madison back there has a guy ever made you wait for sex
04:22:16Farah Khalidiwho Frankie one of your he made you wait for sex okay you know I think would be an interesting question asking them like has any guy ever sexually rejected them like they've wanted sex from them
04:22:27Farah Khalidiand the guy I said it's pretty rare I think I've done that yeah I've actually rejected the chick sexually labia too small no no uh
04:22:42Brian Atlasit's kind of I'll tell you after the show how about that okay I'll tell you after the show but yeah um but I mean that kind of plays into
04:22:51Brian Atlaslike again women control access to sex women are turning making men wait men are not making women wait so like again hook up culture kind of you know it's kind of on the
04:23:03Orion Tarabanwomen don't you think but men can't control it too I agree because I don't think a woman can technically make a man wait it's his decision to do so and if that's not a good Prospect for
04:23:15Orion Tarabanyou as a man you can walk and I would encourage guys to do that especially with women who have who are not saving themselves for marriage who
04:23:26Orion Tarabanhave given sex up earlier in the relationship than you currently are with that particular woman and the reason why I encourage that is because
04:23:35Orion Tarabanum it's a it's kind of a barometer for how attracted the woman is to you by how how little she needs in return in order
04:23:45Orion Tarabanto exchange sex for a relationship and the higher a woman's attractiveness attraction level is to you the easier relationship you're going to have
04:23:57Orion Tarabanthe more effortless it's going to be the more you're going to feel like lucky and happy to be there and so it's just sort of like not worth it if you're gonna be like
04:24:10Orion Tarabanwilling to accept sexual treatment that she was not willing to give to other men in her past more more but bro I guess the point I'm trying to
04:24:23Brian Atlasmake is women have more access to being promiscuous you know like an average dude can't just be like running through chicks
04:24:32Brian Atlaslike an average chick you can nah bro no way average men like don't average men in order to get sex like it's usually within the confines of
04:24:45Brian Atlasa relationship so you'd be surprised so what I guess the the just really related to the like who controls access to sex and like who's to I know you weren't really
04:24:57Brian Atlasframing it as who's to blame for hookup culture but a larger proportion of women engage in hookup culture than do men because only a much smaller percentage
04:25:09Brian Atlasof men are capable of engaging in hookup culture whereas basically all women can participate in hookup culture but not all men can participate in hookup culture and this is evidenced by the
04:25:20Brian Atlasfact that for example in cells exist it's so bad for them they are involuntarily celibate they're trying to get laid they can't yeah like I said before I wasn't
04:25:31Farah Khalidirefuting that women could easier like more easily [ __ ] but but more women participate in the hookup culture I was saying which party do you think is propagating hookup culture more and I
04:25:41Brian Atlaswas saying probably the gender that enjoys casual emotionless hookup hookups well I'm not sure it's not apparent to me that that's the case for men I think men are
04:25:52Orion Tarabanperfectly satisfied in long-term monogamous relationships I don't know if that's necessarily true I think that a lot of men have to make a virtue out of a necessity and that Oh
04:26:03Brian Atlasyou mean like so you're saying out of necessity men because that's the only uh way in which that they can gain access to sex I think to for a lot of men yeah okay and I think that if those guys could snap their fingers and change
04:26:15Orion Tarabanplaces to a guy who has let's say effortless optionality with hundreds or thousands of attractive women uh I think that would be
04:26:23Brian Atlasa difficult choice not to that's fair so men men are monogamous out of necessity yeah okay although I think there's some
04:26:33Brian Atlasmen that are just like they have uh virtue I guess and they're not they're not beholden to their animal instincts
04:26:45Orion Tarabanand have sexual discipline necessarily believe that a person is non-virtuous because they have sex with more than one person well I'm not saying that but for example they might
04:26:56Orion Tarabanum perhaps a virtue that they hold is uh chastity they would not have that virtue now who would not have that the man in that case which man the man who was having
04:27:09Brian Atlassex with multiple women oh definitely would not have the virtue of Chastity no but but there are some men that choose to be disciplined in their absolutely there are there are small subset of men
04:27:20Orion Tarabanbut there are some out there are you saying that most men are dogs I'd say that all things being equal men want as much sex as they can with the fewest expenditure of resources possible
04:27:31Orion Tarabanword feels like an essential to them totally there's these great videos of women undergoing sexual reassignment surgery
04:27:42Orion Tarabanwhen they go from female to male where they first get on tea testosterone and it's like yeah and I highly encourage people to Google this on or look it up
04:27:54Orion Tarabanon YouTube because it's like they understand men for the first time when they're being exposed to testosterone it's like they get it and it's it's a way that
04:28:06Orion Tarabanum I just don't think that most women have access to that feeling that like it's on a cellular level on some level I'm glad that my libido has waned as I've gotten older because
04:28:19Orion Tarabanit's so obnoxious it's like being a guy when you're younger sort of like having this like three-year-old in the back seat behind you kicking your seat every 30 seconds saying like can we have sex yet can we
04:28:31Orion Tarabanhave sex yet how about her how about her go talk to her can you can you do this it's like that doesn't necessarily mean that men will act on it all the time but it is it's Relentless and it is not a very
04:28:44Orion Tarabanpleasant place to be and I think it's only after that Ebbs in your 30s that guys kind of can like they're they're it's like this Liberation and they start to care about
04:28:56Orion Tarabanthings other than sex more and it's almost like in the 30s yeah that's kind of testosterone levels are dropping exactly and it used to be that early
04:29:06Orion Tarabanyeah well it's like at that point I think they realize this is kind of like what it might feel like for women they get to focus on other things well you can also increase your testosterone
04:29:18Bernadineit doesn't have to decrease with age it depends on your health and your mentality my husband's in his 30s and his T is going up sorry dma word no testosterone never
04:29:29Orion Tarabangoes up over a life span organically it only goes down you can trt you can slow the well that's not in like your 70s like in the 1950s Manhattan still all
04:29:41Brian Atlasright let me let me get this last Super Chat I know I always say I need that in the show and then that goes on for another hour all right Caesar Quintana thank you man Brian you're 100 right both my wife and I are Trad Catholics
04:29:51Brian Atlaswait did I read this one I don't think I wouldn't accept accept my mother-in-law meddling she convinced my wife to move to Ukraine with my child Google my name it was an international incident I went
04:30:04Brian Atlasto Ukraine to bring my son back when the war started and holy [ __ ] so she kidnapped her son yikes Good Times okay don't get married I guess um all right uh pull up the uh twitch really quick uh let's shout out
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04:30:48Brian Atlasproceed in life if you don't twitch.tv slash whatever I had one last question for you over here um did you say you had like 10 side side
04:31:00Cassidy Williamspieces right now what's going on yeah you got 10 side pieces or something they just like into the mind they just hit me up like they're not really side pieces have you hooked up with any of
04:31:11Brian Atlasthem or no no I haven't even met some of them like in person okay wait but I kind of forgot this are you like uh are you currently seeing anybody right now or you're proper single single
04:31:22Cassidy Williamsproper single there's not there's not a guy you have your eyeball on not really like I'm like texting like a person or two but we're not we haven't like hung out or anything are you you're trying to
04:31:34Brian Atlaspursue it not necessarily you're trying to seeing where things go okay when's the when's the last time like you hooked up with the dude um
04:31:45Brian Atlasum maybe like less than a month ago less than a month ago okay wait did I ask you if you have a brother yeah I do have a brother is he is he like running through chicks how's he doing with the girls you're bro
04:31:58Cassidy Williamsokay he's doing okay he's got a girlfriend or you said he's older than you yeah he's almost 24. almost 24 he's got a girlfriend no no girlfriend multiple side pieces I don't know I don't really talk about that you don't talk about that oh he lives in
04:32:10Brian AtlasWashington so oh you can only see him like a couple times a year okay yeah do you do you think your brother would be capable of having as many options as you no why is that
04:32:21Cassidy WilliamsI just feel like just in general I feel like guys don't have yeah yeah like my guy friends will like compare like our Tinder accounts and stuff and like if we swipe on like 10 people
04:32:33Brian Atlasif I get like seven matches in those ten swipes they'll get like one yeah it's pretty brutal uh for men on on dating apps and I mean even generally speaking men men don't really have
04:32:45Brian Atlaslike women in the pocket the same way that women have men in their pocket like a lot of women will have dudes in the friend zone like dudes that would be at
04:32:56Brian Atlasthe drop of a hat would be ready to be in a relationship with you ready to sleep with you men don't really have that even though I'd say like decent looking guys don't have like a back like a on the back burner just like chicks
04:33:10Brian Atlasthat are just down to be in relationship relationships with them down to [ __ ] them so there's an interest it's interesting there that the kind of difference uh it's almost like men want to be more promiscuous than women which proves the
04:33:24Farah Khalidipoint about Hunter right I'm not following because if women were the one who wanted casual sex more than men why wouldn't her brother have 10 women wanting to [ __ ] casually
04:33:35Orion Tarabanwait hold on I'm trying to parse that I think you're right about the desire I think that most men want to have casual sex more than women do but I think the argument is that most men can't because
04:33:47Orion Tarabanwomen are The Gatekeepers of sex and so these women in hookup culture are having sex with a small subset of men who are very much into it word okay by the way guys we're going to
04:33:58Brian Atlasbe doing an after show hosted by Madison so be sure to tune in for that it's going to just be live here and then we're going to do it for like 30 minutes
04:34:08Brian Atlasdo a short after show uh the after show we will lower the TTS trigger and the read trigger is going to be 50. um just so we have a shorter after show
04:34:18Brian Atlaslast time the after show drug on for like three hours so um last call before any final thoughts from anybody before I wrap up speak now or forever hold your peace
04:34:29Abigailweren't you still gonna sing oh god oh rip it's probably too late you know that song At Last my love that's just like not for myself
04:34:42Shelby Allythey're seeing one of yours it's good though that's good though it's good yeah I've got a terrible let's all sing let's do some karaoke
04:34:53Brian Atlasanybody last thoughts last thoughts oh let's pull it up pull it up let's he got 100K hell yeah congratulations boom hey fantastic thank you now you can
04:35:06Brian Atlasget a verified make sure you apply for verification because once you hit a 100K you can apply for verification on YouTube you just type into a form and I can send you the link if you need it thanks they don't don't they don't automatically do it it's just something
04:35:18Brian Atlasto be aware of um uh final thought for me uh just touching on the the marriage and divorce thing you know the vowels used to mean something till death do us part
04:35:30Brian Atlasused to mean something um but now it's uh till I am mildly bored of this relationship do us part and uh if I were to get
04:35:43Brian Atlasmarried it's for life like I but but my fear is is that the way a lot of these relationship relationships or marriages play out it's
04:35:55Brian Atlasmore often the case than not it's not for life and what are the other vows in sickness and in health and so I don't know um
04:36:06Brian Atlasyour words have to mean something and if you say the words till death do us part I think you should mean that so but unfortunately people's words mean
04:36:16Abigailvery little in today's day and age uh anyone else final thoughts um so check out your goth band on MySpace um no I am I am actually um in a um
04:36:29Brian Atlaswe're starting a show in called AV Baddies what AV baddies AV yeah audio visual
04:36:39AbigailClub baddies no Antelope Valley Antelope Valley yeah baddies yeah are you one of the baddies yeah can men be baddies yeah
04:36:49Abigailthere's there's men too can I join you can join I can be an AV baddie so check that out it's um
04:36:58Brian Atlason my my profile on her Instagram yes it's a group like is the cartel like you guys smuggling drugs over there in the desert or what's up it's um it's it's gonna
04:37:10Abigailit's like a TV show TV show yeah I think they're kind of trying to do it I'm not sure how they're trying to do it they didn't say but we're pretty much I can't really say too much about it
04:37:21Abigailum but yeah check it out wait what do you do for working everybody's on Instagram what do you do for work um twitch Twitch streaming your Twitch streamer okay so when you're starting a
04:37:31Brian Atlasshow called AV bodies amusement park huh you work in an amusement park yeah you know what's weird I kind of pegged you as someone who would work at an amusement park you seem like you work at like Six Flags or some [ __ ]
04:37:45Brian AtlasI'm just is that the park do you actually work at Six Flags uh yeah I [ __ ] knew it dude I knew it you're are you one one water ride are you a water ride type of chick are you
04:37:57Brian Atlasmore like roller coaster roller coaster okay so you like strap people in and [ __ ] yeah are you a Carney no no that's different than a amusement
04:38:07Bernadinepark person okay um very cool anyone else final thought um it's not affiliated with your show but if any of you ladies are interested
04:38:17Bernadinein enrolling in my course you can enroll with a major discount using the code whatever oh [ __ ] that's by the way that's my Instagram I don't get the cut that's just she's just doing my
04:38:30Brian AtlasInstagram's Fearless dot femininity so it's linked in that bio um yeah one last final thought far how can I hook you up with Destiny he's he's the homie so I'm just like trying to yeah I mean I see him at like every day
04:38:42Brian Atlasbut if you want to be but genuinely like is there you know is there something there you think um I wouldn't date somebody who's married now
04:38:52Brian Atlasyou could join this polycule does he have a poly maybe I should ask him I don't know well he's polyamorous so I'm not you're not no but if if he wasn't married like is he your type
04:39:04Brian Atlasbecause he's you said your type's like super intelligent dude so yeah rules me out but um but is he would be your type okay what if I convince Destiny to
04:39:16Brian Atlasdivorce his wife to pursue you exclusively with is that I think I'd honestly rather date his wife she's really cool oh right you said that you'd rather date his wife okay I
04:39:28Brian Atlascould put in a good word there too yeah you're it's funny like you're way more in touch with them than I'm just being ludicrous but okay whatever all right guys um so be
04:39:39Brian Atlassure to stick around for the after show um last call guys hit that like button please on your way out if you're not sticking around for the after show thank you for tuning in tonight you could have been anywhere in the world but you're here with me I appreciate that thank you
04:39:50Brian Atlasto everyone who super chats and supports the show your patronage is uh really appreciated guys thank you so much for everyone who uh supports the show especially after uh these past couple weeks uh heads up oh actually oh big thank you to the panel thank you all for
04:40:04Brian Atlascoming I know some of you a lot of you came from out of town so appreciate that um any women who want to be on the show DM at whatever on Instagram we will be live again Tuesday at 7 pm Pacific that's
04:40:16Brian Atlasgoing to be our last show for a couple weeks because I'm taking a break um I've been having some issues with my neck uh it's been pretty bad so I need a couple weeks off
04:40:26Brian Atlasum to uh just recuperate but we will uh we will be back with some killer shows uh so we do have our last show on Tuesday 7 P.M Pacific um we will see you guys next time have a
04:40:39Brian Atlasgood night guys we will see you later Eric could you hit the lights for the after show please all right and we're out if you guys want you know Madison go ahead
04:40:54Miscyeah anybody want to stay for the after show
04:40:59Tegan Powellum how long is it 30 minutes can we talk about something fun though
04:41:09Tegan Powelloh this was four yeah I was like snoozing
04:41:22Madisonnice meeting you hello everyone
04:41:37MadisonI'm waiting for the comments to come in
04:41:43Madisonlike he was the guy that asked about Memorial Day check my DMs okay we'll see what it what did you say who said that Metro Matt
04:41:57Miscum it might be kind of oh I see I don't want to read it out loud but
04:42:08Madisonthank you thank you very much Metro Matt appreciate it thank you Rams four what
04:42:24MadisonI I've been hosting do not see me I've been replying to the comments some oh Metro Matt dm'd me
04:42:34Madisonbut I won't say what he said okay chat come in I'm getting on board here I'm gonna actually use Ryan's computer to figure this out
04:42:57Madisondid y'all cook some steak this week no I didn't get sent any steak so I couldn't cook any steak by the way I didn't drop my baby earlier Brian took
04:43:08Madisonit from me and threw it on the ground um uh I don't know do I play any sports no but I did like
04:43:18Madisoncheer in high school not really a sport leave Frankie and marry me no I'm I'm Never Gonna Leave Frankie awesome Madison
04:43:31Madisonright here Tegan is wifey material what do you have to say to that thank you can I dance for you no are we doing the super chats
04:43:49Madisonall right the super chats are 50 or 49.99 or 50 to read and yeah
04:44:00MadisonMadison they never read my posts he's bugging right now I don't see your post Ripley glass all right you can do a flip in the air
04:44:10Madisonif I'm thrown in the air whatever cringe talk to the guests how's your guys's experience being on the podcast you know
04:44:22Tegan Powellthere's experience it was an experience have you ever done anything like this before more I did the radio show before this oh cool so what'd you talk about on
04:44:32Tegan Powellthere uh transgender in sports actually so it was a heated heated conversation
04:44:41Madisonis it white under the counter that's mine Eric
04:44:49Madisonit's mine does wait okay [Music] um oh wait we have a new Super Chat
04:45:00Madisonall right sweet tooth said I sent you an instant message but you and Brian never answered me about the stakes honestly I don't know who DMS me like whatever
04:45:13Madisonwow yeah so do I so Ryan I can't really like I'm not actually I don't uh Brian has like 300 pending messages right now so
04:45:24Madisonhe can't get back to you guys exactly like right away about the stakes but my DMs are open
04:45:31Madisonand I just didn't know your Instagram username so is that actual Pizza
04:45:43Madisonokay oh did you but yeah anyway I saw I saw some comment about uh this or a DM about the stake
04:45:54Madisonbut I just didn't know if that was the same person that was asking me on the podcast so who is this
04:46:04MadisonMadison it's in the whatever igdm I do have an in no Tegan insta what does that mean wait
04:46:16Tegan Powellmy Instagram is t-e-a-g-a-n-p-o-w H Brian did you put the Instagrams in there
04:46:26Madisonum by the way I said my DMs are open if you're willing to send me something not for whoever pays fifty dollars for money questions getting blocked you don't know if what
04:46:42MiscI'm talking about you bro my dad Brian
04:46:48Madisonokay bye Eric hi Madison tell Brian to make a Discord server what are we talking about I don't know I usually just like read the super chats
04:47:01Tegan Powellbut not that many are coming in right now okay well we can talk about some weird weird stuff yeah bring something up what do you all want to talk about Brian get over here