Goth Girl SLASHED Her Boyfriends WHAT?! | Dating Talk #78
Date: 2023-05-29
Duration: 5h 55m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Orion Taraban(guest)
SPEAKER_02Bernadine(guest)
SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_05Alicia Tunisia(guest)
SPEAKER_06Cassidy Williams(guest)
SPEAKER_07Abigail(guest)
SPEAKER_08Amber(guest)
SPEAKER_09Farah Khalidi(guest)
SPEAKER_10Tegan Powell(guest)
SPEAKER_11Madison(guest)
SPEAKER_12Shelby Ally(guest)
Key Moments
00:07:04
IntroFarah Khalidi introduces herself: 24, TikTok creator and OnlyFans creator
“my name is Farah khalidi I'm 24. I'm a tech talk Creator and I'm also one only fans”
00:08:29
IntroBernadine introduces herself as 32; Tegan Powell follows immediately after
“my name is Bernadine I am 32. I”
00:18:29
QuoteFarah reveals she is a virgin despite doing OnlyFans
“I'm currently single I've only been in one relationship... we didn't [censored]”
00:52:46
QuoteFarah defends being a virgin OnlyFans creator: asks what intercourse has to do with taking photos of yourself
“I would ask them to Define what they think intercourse is and then ask how they think that relates to taking photos of yourself”
00:58:35
OtherBernadine promotes her femininity/relationship online course and announces it to the panel
“my program I have like my students messaging me every other week now saying I'm engaged or married”
01:43:59
TopicRatings round begins — Brian asks guests to self-rate physical appearance 1-10
“let's go around the table what do you rate yourself in terms of physical appearance on a scale of 1 to 10”
01:44:16
QuoteFarah rates herself 10/10, up from 1/10 on a previous episode
“honestly I give myself like a 10. last time I said one”
01:44:56
QuoteShelby refuses to give a rating number; says everyone is beautiful (Christian worldview)
“I think everyone's beautiful I personally don't do ratings”
03:04:12
ControversyAbigail reveals she slashed ex-boyfriend's mattress with a knife, scattered his clothes and blankets in the desert, and stalked his new address
“I slashed up his bed so that way he won't bring other women... I scattered them around the desert”
03:07:32
QuoteAbigail also found ex's new girlfriend's info, threatened to email her boyfriend, and physically showed up at ex's house
“I found out her boyfriend's email and his social media... I showed up to his house”
04:38:17
OtherBernadine promotes her course with discount code 'whatever'; Instagram: fearless.femininity
“if any of you ladies are interested in enrolling in my course you can enroll with a major discount using the code whatever”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Guest Introductions
Guests introduce name, age, occupation. Round of relationship statuses and longest relationships.
00:09:30
Relationship Status & Dating Apps
Each guest's current situation. Covers situationships, long-distance, virgins on OnlyFans, arranged marriage pressure.
00:35:00
Arranged Marriage & Indian Families
Alicia discusses family pressure around marriage by 35; arranged marriage as fallback. Farah open to curated introductions.
00:47:30
Flowers & Gift-Giving on Dates
Whether first-date flowers are turn-on or cringe. Orion's adorer/adored framework. Gift personalization vs. script following.
01:03:20
Dating Multiple People Simultaneously
Brian's discomfort with women dating 5+ men per week. Farah/others argue women's selectiveness. Debate on female vs. male option asymmetry.
01:09:23
Skincare / Pimple Ad Read
Sponsored segment on skincare. Panel discusses whether acne/pimples are distracting on dates.
01:34:56
Zombie Apocalypse Hypothetical
Would guests survive or give up in a zombie apocalypse? Walking Dead vs Last of Us zombie comparison.
01:43:59
Self-Rating & Sexual Marketplace Value
1-10 physical appearance self-ratings. Orion's normalized SMV framework. Debate on objective vs. subjective attractiveness.
02:41:40
Marriage, Divorce, Blood Covenants
Bernadine's Christian perspective on lifelong marriage and blood covenants. Divorce statistics. Brian's skepticism of marriage contracts.
03:04:12
Ex-Revenge & Property Destruction
Abigail reveals she slashed ex's mattress, scattered his clothes in desert, and stalked him. Discussion of tire-slashing and revenge behavior.
03:25:00
Female-Initiated Divorce & Feminism
Why women initiate ~70% of divorces. Bernadine argues feminism since 1960s caused decline. Farah/Orion debate pair-bonding and hypergamy.
04:00:00
College Hook-Up Culture
Discussion of hook-up culture at UCSB/Isla Vista. Whether people actually want relationships vs. casual sex.
04:20:00
Sex Before Marriage & Body Count
Premarital sex debate. Body count and pair-bonding. Tegan on sadness of high body counts. Alicia on double standards.
04:30:00
Final Q&A / Audience SuperChats
Extended audience donation reading, relationship hypotheticals, Brian discusses podcast direction and online drama.
04:40:39
After-Show (Madison hosting)
Madison hosts a brief after-show with remaining guests and chat interaction.
Transcript
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02:51:56
Tegan Powellpart of them leaves when men have sex with women they feel nothing so men have to be aware of when they're having sex with a woman that they're taking apart away from them because that's the way it
02:52:07
Orion Tarabanworks I don't I don't believe it no I I think that that suggests that sex just inherently cheapens women yeah have you ever heard from the of the
02:52:18
Abigailquote that says um oh um that that like pretty much like the man is a key and a woman is a lock and the logs
02:52:30
Orion Tarabanthat can be accessed by many keys is useless or something like that I think it goes something along the lines of a uh you know what you want to talk about you can open many locks at a bad lock is
02:52:42
Farah Khalidiopened by every key something like that I think a master key can open many locks but a lock that can be opened by many keys is a shitty lock I think I think we're [ __ ] up the order a little bit but yes generally yes
02:52:53
Brian AtlasI think which came first I think it goes like a lock that can be opened by any key is a shitty lock but a key that can open many locks is a master key yeah some something yeah but
02:53:06
Bernadineyeah I think you do the the the lock first and then the key the problem is if men are sleeping with women they are causing the body count to go up well I
02:53:15
Orion Tarabanthink causing problems it's a mutual yeah it's more of a woman's choice of course because women are The Gatekeepers of sex especially unless we're getting into non-consensual relationships which I don't think any of us are discussing
02:53:29
Orion Tarabanit's like if a woman doesn't want to have sex it doesn't happen it's not something that men are imposing on women it's women that are something that women are choosing to do absolutely and that's why the sexual Revolution was
02:53:40
Bernadineso bad because it told women go have sex be loose you know sex in the city was so popular even the show Friends was so popular just have sex sleep around and it told women that that
02:53:50
Bernadinemade you sexy and desirable and powerful and that's what opened the gate in society women open the gate now they're just having sex and so they're not gatekeeping their bodies in their wombs anymore because a sexual Revolution told
02:54:03
Bernadinethem that was empowering for them and it's not like it's been horrible you can see the effects of it now like abortion rates are way up you know depression and mental illness in women like 22 percent
02:54:15
Farah Khalidiof the population have depression and mental illness problems women specifically even traditional women who like live on a farm with like the guy who they lost the virginity to they have an increase in depressive symptoms as
02:54:26
Orion Tarabanwell in modern society so it's not important because Society itself is just so depressing and degenerate yeah I know I'm just saying it's not related to the body count did you want it but it is yeah I'd like to talk um I'm I'm with
02:54:37
Orion Tarabanyou I'm not a big fan of marriage and we can get into why that might be in a moment um I like having options I remember I'm also the child of divorce who is the child of divorce it's like I
02:54:50
Orion Tarabanlike the fact that I don't have to choose among the four women who live in my Village I like the idea that just because I had sex when I was 18 because I was a ball of hormones and I
02:55:03
Orion Tarabanjust needed to do something that I didn't have to make a lifelong commitment to the person I think that optionality is generally a good thing for both men and women because it facilitates getting into
02:55:16
Orion Tarabanrelationships where there's actually excellent fit between two people as opposed to just being limited by what's available now optionality comes with a dark side but I think that we actually
02:55:26
Orion Tarabanlive in a society that has unbelievable opportunity when it comes to entering into relationships these days like more opportunity than there's ever been in the history of the world
02:55:39
Orion Tarabannow with when it comes to marriage it's like yeah I've seen up close my my parents divorce took three years it was really tough and I work with guys all
02:55:49
Orion Tarabanthe time who are going through divorces and absolutely the liability is divorce disprofessionally disproportionately affect men like without a doubt
02:56:00
Orion Tarabanbut that's kind of the general argument that I hear from guys against marriage is it's like it's so risky but I'm going to give another potential argument which
02:56:09
Orion Tarabanis well what do you get as a man from Marriage that you can't get without getting married like just a few moments ago you said you
02:56:20
Orion Tarabanwouldn't risk it for the love of your life and my rebuttal is why can't you just love each other without getting married what does love have to do with marriage what are you considering marriage paperwork
02:56:32
Bernadinelike what do you count as marriage because I didn't count my wedding dress or the wedding rings or the ceremony or the government paperwork as marriage well it's a wedding yeah so um to me a
02:56:42
Orion Tarabanmarriage is a civil commitment and personally I think the reason why marriages fail today is because it's a fundamentally very humble institution
02:56:52
Orion Tarabanand we've put so much on top of this that it's basically become unsustainable like I think it at heart marriage is about creating a context in which to in which to raise children I think that's
02:57:05
Orion Tarabanit did you mean literally that you have four women in a village it's like my grandmother was was raised in a village like that in Ukraine and
02:57:15
Orion Tarabanher husband four wives you're not talking about no I'm saying that there's like four women who could potentially choose for a wife and like if it's not one of those four it's too
02:57:28
Orion Tarabanbad so sad but I remember when my grandmother divorced my grandfather in her 60s she said that's when her life began like I understand that the divorce rate is very very high
02:57:39
Orion Tarabanlike I don't say looking at a 55 divorce rate there's absolutely no way that I would put my head in that news um but divorce is also it's good that it exists
02:57:51
Orion Tarabanbecause it gives people an out out of really difficult situations now there's got to be some space in the middle between like implementing divorce
02:58:03
Orion Tarabanonly under these really extreme French cases and 55 of the time there is a great deal of of space between those those two places um there is a great deal space and like I said I think a big reason is male
02:58:15
Farah Khalidiadultery I think that would close the space in the same way you were saying it's a huge risk for guys disproportionately for them because women are the ones who um usually initiate divorce 50 you know 50 of the time it's like they're gonna get divorced you could say the same
02:58:28
Farah Khalidithing for women like one out of four chances that your husband's gonna cheat on you aren't necessarily attractive odds either but guys don't really talk about that they just talk about the fact that like oh what what's going to get into a marriage if the woman's gonna divorce me but they don't realize the fact that the woman already takes on
02:58:40
Brian Atlassuch a huge risk as well in getting married I mean in terms of infidelity that's the risk of a woman when she gets married for a woman when she gets married is the risk of infidelity yeah
02:58:51
Brian Atlasthe one in four chance that her husband will have sex with another woman well my understanding when it comes to infidelity is like I said before and I know you challenged it but the rate is comparable between men and
02:59:03
Orion Tarabanwomen when it comes to infidelity it's I could be wrong right I think it's higher more men yeah it is as I understand it um what about
02:59:14
Orion Tarabanthat but infidelity is a really complicated thing like for some people cheating is porn
02:59:23
Farah Khalidiand for other people cheating means like repeated violations of the sexual contract the one in four refers to actual adultery not um like
02:59:33
Orion Tarabansubjective instances okay felony fine so even in that case there's a huge range in reaction some people are like nope this happened once I'm done the whole relationship is over even if we've been married for 20 years even if we have
02:59:47
Orion Tarabankids other people they're finding ways to work with the situation like it's not an automatic termination so the the infidelity rate can't by
02:59:59
Orion Tarabanitself explain the disproportionate rate in female-initiated divorces because not every woman who's cheated on divorces her husband oh I didn't say it was 100 of the reason I was saying that's definitely a
03:00:11
Farah Khalidisignificant way to tighten the Gap a little bit between what you were saying of the 55 and then like but to go any further it's like why why wouldn't she get divorced
03:00:22
Orion Tarabanit's like if I could work a job and if at a certain point I didn't want to work there anymore and I could take half the salary that I was making by not
03:00:33
Orion Tarabanworking like I'm going to get more and more dissatisfied with the work that I would still have to put in at that job it would take extremely High character
03:00:44
Orion Tarabanand and incredible Integrity to put in the same amount of work and effort knowing that you could stay at home indefinitely for half the paycheck and then get another job with that time sure but you're the one who's talking
03:00:56
Farah Khalidiabout smv and as a woman ages her smv goes down so that's a huge risk because what are the odds that another guy is going to date her you know what I mean with a with a kid and who's a dwarf I would say some guy will but if women are hypergamous it won't be the type of guy
03:01:09
Farah Khalidishe wants so that's a big factor I don't think women are getting divorced for fun or for this like idea of laziness and just collecting the paycheck I don't think women want to get divorced I I refuse to believe that mothers are that callous that they're like I'm just going to collect the paycheck and then
03:01:22
Abigailfind another husband I don't think that's what they're thinking of in their 50s when they have three kids at home yeah or they stay together for the children I don't think that's a good idea I think well I mean that's just some of the
03:01:35
Brian Atlasreasons that I've seen that why they stay in a marriage oh it's certainly something that people endorse a lot you had to stay together for the children but I mean if what's going on in marriages is so
03:01:47
Brian Atlasterrible for women and with the risk of infidelity then I mean do you agree with me that marriage in general whether it's for a man or woman is is a bad move I'd say bad move I said it's a risk but it's a
03:01:59
Farah Khalidirisk within your control like I said it's not flipping a coin or something you decide whether you're going to cheat you decide whether you're gonna get divorce you decide whether you work on your communication it's not like jumping off a plane and 50 chance the
03:02:09
Brian Atlasparachute's gonna open or not I think but people fall out of love I mean I I would say most relationship breakdowns aren't even necessarily I don't even
03:02:19
Brian Atlasthink it's necessarily someone's done something wrong yeah right things don't have to be bad in order to end yeah so and look I'm a businessman right you know I'm a
03:02:31
Brian Atlasbusinessman because you find me at my place as a business and I just I don't sign contracts that don't benefit me so well that was kind of my point is not
03:02:43
Brian Atlasonly is it a disproportionate risk but what's the what's the upside there really is the upside used to be she would sleep with you can I see the upside can I say my
03:02:57
Tegan Powellperspective on the outside you mean the upside as a man as from marriage in general well we're talking about it from the man's perspective okay what's the upside the marriage the upside in marriage is that well a lot of people don't
03:03:07
Tegan Powellunderstand is that men and women complement each other in the craziest way possible men and women have completely different brains we're completely different creatures but when you work together and you communicate through things men have a fantastic
03:03:20
Tegan Powellperspective on certain things and women have a fantastic perspective on things long-term relationship
03:03:34
Brian Atlasraise children in a long-term relationship yes you don't yeah but you don't need you're talking about you can get all of the things you listed in a long-term relationship you need not get is this are you talking about like
03:03:45
Bernadinemarriages without the the papers you know what I'm saying no I'm talking I'm just you can you can just be in a long-term how do you relationship okay how does both parties know
03:03:59
Orion Tarabanbut you don't even know that if you get
03:04:03
Brian Atlasthere but I know that because I don't base our marriage off what I listed earlier but but you but you're talking from the religious perspective correct even Godly even Godly Pious people get
03:04:15
Bernadinedivorced I know because honestly this is a personal story my husband and I have been through problems like we've been married for going on 12 years now but that doesn't mean we never had problems we had lots of problems and we had you know times
03:04:28
Bernadinewhere we didn't think we were going to make it but when I understood that marriage wasn't you know all the external stuff and I understood it was the consummation that's what sealed it for me and I know not everyone can
03:04:41
Bernadinerelate to that because they've had past partners but that's fine like when you're in Christ you make that vow to him in front of him and you make that it's not just a vow it's a covenant that
03:04:51
Bernadineyou make right but not not all people subscribe to the uh religion that you do and it's not religion it's not even just strictly religion
03:05:04
Bernadineokay I wasn't planning on going like in in detail but listen my husband and I we got married when we were both 21 okay he was a virgin I was a virgin here's the
03:05:14
Bernadinething this is not a religious thing it is a human thing like I said before have you ever heard of blood covenants huh blood covenants blood covenants is this some like True Blood vampire [ __ ] or oh
03:05:27
Bernadinelike you can go back to the Vikings era and the Viking civilization you guys did a blood Covenant yeah you know how in like War times um two opposing parties would like cut their hand right here and make a blood
03:05:40
BernadineCovenant say they're not going to betray each other you know what I mean you know what I'm talking about I was actually going to bring that up earlier but that's not yeah I've seen it you seem like someone who would do a blood type blood covenants are a thing my people
03:05:52
Brian Atlashave you ever slashed someone's tires by the way just curious I have done worse than that oh we'll come back to the marriage really quick let's just dive into this you've
03:06:02
Abigaildone worse than slashing tires like um well I would say what did you do well my my well both of my last relationships
03:06:14
Abigailum like I I would um well for my first one I damaged his things
03:06:25
Abigailyou damaged his things can you be more specific please um like I slashed up his bed so that way he won't bring other women that wouldn't stop me no I'm kidding okay
03:06:39
Farah Khalidium he wouldn't be comfortable at least I mean guys will give us a cardboard box we'll throw it down but if a girl saw that she'd be less like a [ __ ] you
03:06:49
Brian Atlasthat's true but if we could get away with a cardboard box we would be living in cardboard boxes um so you you took a knife opened up his bed did you put like a fish in there got
03:07:02
Abigailthe Springs everything you took out the Springs it was completely holy [ __ ] disassembled disassembled the bed what else you destroyed did you burn his My
03:07:13
AbigailChemical Romance CDs no um so my the other one um I pretty much uh you're leaving out so many details tell us it's kind of embarrassing spill it
03:07:26
Abigailspill it it's all good this is what nobody's watching this okay well I'm not proud of it I'm not proud that's totally fine but basically um you can confess later he he moved down with another girl and
03:07:38
Abigailum I ended up finding out all her information and I and um I pretty much like shanked her no okay I kind of threatened to tell
03:07:50
Abigailher boyfriend that she was seeing because I ended up finding out that she was in a relationship and I found out her boyfriend's email and his
03:08:00
Abigailum social media but I didn't do it though I I said I was going to do it and then I would um this is pretty half a dollar to his um landlord and tell him to call me so I
03:08:12
Abigailcould talk to him um and like I showed up to his house and I found out where he moved and things so you're you're stalked your I stalked him
03:08:24
Brian Atlasa letter ex-boyfriend well no I only let's talk about property damage though tell them let's tell us more about the property damage well that was just it just the bad thing it's a bad that's it
03:08:35
Brian Atlasthat's not that uh it's pretty bad but okay yeah you said you damaged his stuff but you just
03:08:46
Brian Atlasstatute of limitations how long ago was this it's probably a misdemeanor so was it within the past year um no no charges were pressed or anything thing but like how how was this like three years ago because if it's a
03:08:58
Brian Atlasmisdemeanor you're you're good no I no charges for prices I didn't get in trouble he doesn't watch the podcast the bed that's it you said you did way worse than slash tires I mean well well
03:09:11
Abigailthe stocking and stuff and um and the stocking and stuff was there and stuff or just the stocking
03:09:22
Brian Atlasum yeah I feel like there's something you're not there's something else you're just like I don't know if I want to see it I did that [ __ ] yeah did you light his clothes
03:09:32
Abigailon fire I did take his clothes and I scattered them around the desert a lot the desert lot yeah were you in New Mexico
03:09:43
AbigailI live in like a desert Town you're in a where's that Lancaster is that the desert I don't know it's like a it's just a lot of okay you're in the desert yeah so they have like a little barriers
03:09:56
Abigailis there like a cactus or some [ __ ] nearby oh yeah their work cactuses yeah okay I just and I'll important details blankets too you took his blankets all of his
03:10:06
Brian Atlasblankets you're like a bedroom terrorist you [ __ ] up his bed you took his blankets how's he gonna sleep it's cold in the desert I guess he can't that
03:10:17
Brian Atlascould technically if he succumbed to hypothermia you'll survive manslaughter okay okay so that's the word anyone else here slash tires I think maybe you over here me be
03:10:30
Amberhonest you slap some tires in your in your day I never have I haven't done anything crazy I want to know if doing all that did it make you feel better in the end or like do you regret it now
03:10:42
Amberlike looking back on it you're like wow I was kind of kooky for doing that or do you just think it's like an accurate reason to respond to something that's
03:10:51
Abigailsomething well like I said I'm not proud of it but that I was just reacting off emotion at the moment because I was just so angry so um that's how I did how I took out my
03:11:05
Abigailanger um because I felt betrayed by the person um so I wanted to just get like my leg back in some way you know like I don't want to just walk away and like I don't
03:11:17
Brian Atlasknow sometimes sometimes I'm kind of like I'm tired of like being the bigger person you know has anyone else here slashed anybody show of hands any Tire slashers in the group anybody
03:11:29
Abigailany tires you know what happened to the girl that you like oh they're still together wow good I gave them something to bond over yeah if anything yeah like so if
03:11:41
Abigailany so to anybody that thinks about that like just don't do it because you're just gonna push them together that's right you know they're they're gonna for sure like they're gonna be like oh my god oh I
03:11:53
Brian Atlascan't believe it and comfort each other and you know like it just it doesn't work tell us wait when it comes to the stalking were you just how many uh
03:12:04
Brian Atlastimes would you call in a row like 20 times in a row from blocks numbers are you the blocks number type of stalker I I use the Text Now app and I would regenerate a new number every time he
03:12:15
Brian Atlasblocked the number I regenerated the new number so in in one day in the 24 hour period what's the most amount of times that you tried to call him like 50. 50 times yeah it's got my X beat
03:12:27
Brian Atlasum uh okay 50 times
03:12:33
Abigailemails were you emailing him yeah emails emails sending him uh what kind of I sent him videos like trying to talk to him what kind of movies I made fake accounts what kind of videos are we
03:12:45
Brian Atlastalking here like nude videos or like I'm gonna murder you videos no no nude videos just more like just more like question question were you holding the knife in any of the videos no
03:12:58
Abigailno was the knife in the background in any of the videos no okay I never I never threatened to like hurt him or anything it was just more like okay more like I was like you were coming back
03:13:09
Abigailokay it was like a tamed it wasn't like a scary stalking it was like an annoying stocking yeah just being annoying just trying to like went trying to like get him back trying to talk to him trying to
03:13:20
Brian Atlasconvince him um and he was saying no yeah no how many how many days were you calling him like was it just a one day 50 calls in a day
03:13:30
Abigailor was that like it was just a one two three and then as and as time moved on like like probably like once in a while I would like try to contact him but I was
03:13:42
Abigailjust blocked on everything so it just became more difficult and then at the end I was like you know this isn't working this isn't helping so I should just drop it I'm not gonna lie it's kind of hot when the girl's that obsessed
03:13:54
Abigailwith you just okay um I kind of was obsessed with him like that's how I am with my partners like I do become like the obsessive type
03:14:04
Abigailum so you know how like earlier he was um you were talking about the door and the in the door the doors I think we looked out for that we were talking
03:14:16
Abigailabout yeah I'm usually in like the door I feel like that's what's up you know it sounds like and I and then you and then you hadn't made you hadn't made a comment that that it's better to be a door how tall are you I hated being
03:14:29
Brian Atlasoutdoors she's my height wait you're four what I'm four eleven Sure hold on
03:14:34
Abigailfor 11 games [Music]
03:14:46
Abigailit's just um like for once I would like to be adored you know because because it hurts when the person does not reciprocate you
03:14:58
Orion Tarabanknow word and then I feel that yeah I feel it yeah that's often what happens is that people get fed up about having their affections not being reciprocated and they try to find somebody who does adore them and generally they get really
03:15:11
Orion Tarabanbored because the person who's being adored doesn't have that emotional experience and it can be really hard if you're not used to it like for certain people it really works but for other people they actually want to have that feeling and
03:15:23
Brian Atlasif that feeling isn't there the relationship kind of isn't worth it for them word let's go back to marriage really quick then we got a couple super chats and then uh actually let me do the soup chats then we'll do the marriage thing
03:15:34
Brian Atlasokay we have wait I did this one okay we have ROV uh 99 is Big Mama based Brian shout out the 805 but Oxnard sucks sock
03:15:45
Brian Atlascheck Brian I'm actually normally I wear black socks but I got white socks they kind of goofy looking tonight so um is who's Big Mama
03:15:57
Brian AtlasI have no idea shout out to 805 what's up Oxnard doesn't really count though we 805 is Santa Barbara proper okay and then we have sweet tooth hey thank you man uh as a high voltage electrician
03:16:10
Brian Atlasyou're welcome Brian thank you for all your work eh like I said with the trucker man bro you are the backbone
03:16:21
Brian Atlasof society Electro we don't need podcasters you know you know we need hard-working men that are going
03:16:31
Brian Atlasto contribute to the infrastructure of society and it's a shame that um feminists hate men because men are kind
03:16:44
Farah Khalidiof Awesome I don't know I'm looking up for her you're putting us against electricians how dare yes yes you couldn't finish the end of your compliments you turned it on us
03:16:55
Brian AtlasI was but keep going keep praising him oh yeah of course you know just because uh I feel like men don't get enough appreciation there's
03:17:06
Brian Atlastoo much vilification of men in society when let's be honest if all men disappeared tomorrow [ __ ] would hit the fan major
03:17:16
Brian Atlasand it's because of men like sweet tooth questionable a little questionable name you know I'm just saying but it's because of men like sweet tooth electricians people who work in
03:17:27
Brian Atlasinfrastructure transport that Society functions and these men are not appreciated do you think of all women disappeared [ __ ] wouldn't hit the fan
03:17:37
Brian Atlasyou would all Thrive well so ciety would continue functioning really yes it would it would not be good but like
03:17:49
Brian Atlasif and I'll really we can talk about like hypothetical situations but if you compare all men disappearing to all women disappearing within 72 hours you
03:18:01
Brian Atlasbasically have it wouldn't be good for if all women disappeared but like the basic necessities like to keep Society functioning society would continue functioning where anxiety wouldn't exist
03:18:13
Brian Atlasif women stopped giving birth to well sure if either gender if either genders just well actually here's the thing though what those sperm
03:18:24
Brian Atlasbanks you okay you need power the here's the thing men keep Society functioning what about when men left and every woman became like Rosie the Riveter [ __ ] didn't
03:18:36
Brian Atlasreally hit the fan well there were still men involved in the uh the infrastructure of the country Not all men were sent off to are you I assume you're talking about World War II
03:18:45
Brian Atlaswhere women were involved in the the war effort yes largely women did I mean not all men went off to war but uh women did show up for the war effort
03:18:58
Farah Khalidiand took on jobs that would have otherwise been jobs occupied by men so does that prove that women can make jobs if
03:19:08
Brian Atlaswith the appropriate planning and time but the the specific scenario is if all women disappear or all men disappear you
03:19:17
Brian Atlaswouldn't have the necessary time to introduce women into these critical uh fields so men are vilified and undervalued because if you gave women 24 hours to
03:19:30
Farah Khalidiresume Society after their disappearance we would need more time like I'm not following her I'm not following the question you're saying men are vilified because if they disappeared tomorrow women can take over they're not vilified
03:19:40
Brian Atlasbecause of that I'm saying that there's there's this uh sort of underlying thing where it's cool to like [ __ ] on men and like hate men and there's the patriarchy
03:19:50
Brian Atlasand men are trash and you hear all this [ __ ] from like typically feminists and I don't think that there's enough appreciation of the hard work that just
03:20:00
Brian Atlasnormal men do to basically keep Society functioning I agree with that the the infrastructure in this country in in all
03:20:09
Brian Atlascountries is created maintain is created hold on what am I is created and maintained by men sure I just don't think feminists undervalue that labor like feminists a lot of them are socialists they believe in unions they
03:20:22
Farah Khalidibelieve in raising the minimum wage and that affects these guys who are like electricians and the one doing like the heavy manual labor and keeping Society Running like I don't think feminists are undervaluing these men maybe like a few rad fems on tick tocks and kill all men
03:20:34
Brian Atlasbut I don't think that's I mean it's kind of feminism it's kind of the mainstream like feminist take there's contempt for men by Mo I would say most feminists okay I don't think that's true on social
03:20:46
Brian Atlasmedia everything's polarized for clickbait same way I don't think you guys represent the average male View sure well I mean here's the difference though I mean you're saying it's these
03:20:56
Brian Atlasradical feminists but uh feminism has seeped its claws into pretty much every system and every uh pretty much every realm of of human life
03:21:07
Brian Atlasthe the mainstream media you have Academia every single University in this country has a feminist study or a woman study or gender study program which
03:21:18
Farah Khalidipreaches feminism yeah I didn't say that I said radical feminism like this notion of hate like male hatred I don't know if that's well stepped into every corner of life would you say that the one of the core tenets of feminism is the patriarchy
03:21:31
Farah KhalidiTheory that seems I mean in in mainstream feminist Academia they teach patriarchy theory Sure do you think uh teaching about like racial oppression is uh
03:21:43
Farah Khalidihatred against white people I guess I'm not saying why doing gender studies no I know I'm saying let's stay focused on gender studies is hatred towards men
03:21:51
Brian Atlaswell here's here's how I think it is is because if your your core message that you're preaching is patriarchy and
03:22:01
Brian Atlaspatriarchy Theory and you're teaching vast swathes of women that men are oppressors and that women are oppressed
03:22:10
Brian Atlasthen you are essentially teaching women to have contempt for men because if you're pitting men and women in this war that again if men are the oppressors and
03:22:22
Brian Atlaswomen are the oppressed typically you don't teach someone who is oppressed to have any positive feelings towards the oppressor class now I reject that men as a class are oppressors
03:22:35
Orion TarabanI see it in the language I always thought this was interesting it's like because of feminist movements we generally don't say even firemen or postmans like fire persons we don't say stewardess anymore like there's a lot of
03:22:47
Orion Tarabanlanguage policing with respect to that movement but the movement for equality between the genders is called feminism in the good point antagonists towards
03:22:57
Brian Atlasthat process is the patriarchy I just think that's really interesting it should just be egalitarianism but it's feminine and it's interesting you make a really good point because
03:23:09
Brian Atlasthere's this push okay we can't have policemen fire firemen anymore it has to be firefighters but in the the very movement itself it's gendered feminism
03:23:20
Orion Tarabanthe supposed movement for equality is gendered and and the main obstacle towards that equality is gendered
03:23:31
Farah KhalidiI don't know how we got to that by the way by the way what um why are you are you staring daggers at me that's your Smoking Gun that the word feminism has feminine like it's not my
03:23:43
Brian Atlaswell I mean it's it's one of them yeah yeah but well it's more just that's not my biggest grievance with feminism but it is interesting to me that a lot of
03:23:54
Brian Atlasfeminists push for renaming certain occupations so they're more gender neutral however the supposed movement that is at the Forefront of
03:24:03
Brian Atlasfighting for equality continues to call itself feminism when it should just be egalitarianism I guess semantics I don't think well I
03:24:16
Farah Khalididon't think it's semantics because feminism is an ideal ideology that's basically steeped in men men hatred I don't know I don't see it that way but feminism's super broad I'm sure there's like I said there are a lot of feminists
03:24:27
Brian Atlaswho genuinely well if you step into a like a feminist feminism 101 class at any University in this country they're going to teach patriarchy Theory which
03:24:38
Brian Atlassuggests that women are and were oppressed and that men are to be blamed for that by virtue of their gender yeah those Clauses aren't teaching you to hate the male electrician they're
03:24:51
Farah Khalidisaying that people who occupy positions of power have tended to can you just tilt your microphone down they aren't teaching women to hate like the male electrician or like male homeless people they're saying patriarchy theories that saying people who hold positions of
03:25:03
Bernadinepower have tended to be male and they continue to tend to be male so feminism attacked positions of positions of power including husbands and fathers their position of power and authority in the
03:25:16
Farah Khalidihome so it's it's attacking everything from the family yeah it's done a lot I think the fact that now you know it's considered rape if you oh sorry if it's considered grape if you grape your wife that's a
03:25:28
Farah Khalidiproduct of feminism that's would you consider that also being male hatred I'm not sure what was the question what's the question um that's a feminist thing that happened before it wasn't considered grape if a
03:25:41
Farah Khalidiman graped his wife that was just considered like a part of your marriage so when feminists were the ones who pushed for that or that's part of feminism do you consider that hatred of men that's actually why that came out
03:25:52
Orion Tarabanand I think 16th grape seventies and I think the argument for that was that there's sort of a lifelong consent
03:26:02
Brian Atlasif one of just point playing period if someone is not not consenting and like that's wrong Point playing period I don't care if you're married if
03:26:13
Farah Khalidione partner is not consenting to sexual activity but they consider the consent implied like our dialogue of consent is getting pushed by feminists in these so-called man-hating spaces
03:26:24
Farah Khalidithey considered the consent assumed in feminist spaces or you mean like like you're saying that lack of consent is always bad but I'm saying yes they would consider just the fact that you got married
03:26:37
Farah Khalidiwell they're they're all the sex is consensual within that institution of marriage like the definition of consent changes with the times and the the cultural scene that's not like the root or the is this like a gotcha or something I mean like how's it a gotcha
03:26:50
Farah KhalidiI'm saying you gave you were talking about consent and I was saying they would have probably yeah that's super sensual I mean you brought up that question what question I mean this is the that's the one example you brought
03:27:00
Brian Atlasup of in the past consent was assumed and look there were all kinds of shitty uh shitty uh ways in which people uh moved
03:27:13
Farah Khalidithroughout the world historically right but they were saying slavery for feminists were looking out for wives in that instance you wouldn't consider it that being hatred times well hold on I mean I'm I'm not saying that every single thing
03:27:25
Brian Atlasthat feminists have done or or have fought for are bad things I believe in equality between the genders I think this is because feminism has evolved but I mean I mean if the example
03:27:37
Brian Atlasyou're giving certainly disavow if if one part regardless of their uh marital status if one person is non-consenting then that yeah that's that's pretty bad right
03:27:49
Farah Khalidibut even today feminists will say in the metoo movement like a lot of consent isn't being respected but then some men will say oh they're just man-hatting feminists they want to call us all grapists so I'm saying it's the same conversation just in a new era
03:28:01
Brian Atlaswell I mean that's one component of feminism but I don't see how that's really related yeah I don't know how that's super related I mean I know that for example that sort of violence is is you
03:28:14
Brian Atlasknow perhaps something that disproportionately impacts women um so it is gendered to some degree but I mean there's all kinds of examples if we can bring it though back to the patriarchy um
03:28:26
BernadineI just I don't know I don't even really remember where we are where we were kind of going but if it makes you feel better under the patriarchy you know before
03:28:36
Bernadinefeminism grape and murder were already illegal and punished by the patriarchy by men men punished men who did those awful Acts
03:28:48
Shelby AllyI just wanted to say that I believe that men and women are are very important in today's society and I have a very um opposing opinion and I would believe
03:28:59
Shelby Allythat men are in some ways even more um capable of some things that's what I believe uh it says in the Bible I know it's very controversial um but that's that's what I believe I think men and women are obviously very
03:29:11
Shelby Allycapable and very strong in a lot of aspects but I think men do have certain abilities that maybe women don't okay oh I think it was because of the electrician Super Chat that came in well
03:29:23
Brian Atlaslet's get this one we have Speedy D on silent thank you man trying to find the decent women the country with no history of promiscuity is basically impossible as a man who has never had hookups of any
03:29:34
Brian Atlaskind I will not accept a woman's past of hook up and promise cutie it's all a mess speeding the on silent thank you for your donation I appreciate it and uh yeah good for you man you Everyone's
03:29:47
Brian Atlasentitled to their preferences standards and boundaries and you should not feel obliged to accept someone's past promiscuity um Okay so uh I'm trying to remember where we were
03:29:58
Brian Atlasyou were telling us about your slashed story or you didn't slap anyone here slashed any tires on trying to remember oh we were talking about marriage okay let me get back to marriage really quick I wanted to touch on that really quick
03:30:10
Brian Atlasokay so look my whole thing is is you should never sign a contract with someone who is rewarded for breaking it so no sane informed man would or should sign that contract with Tegan did you
03:30:22
Tegan Powellhave something yes I think the only difference between what you're saying and actual marriage is just the concept that like if you're in marriage you're less likely to want to
03:30:34
Brian Atlasgive up on that relationship because of the money issues if that's what you're saying you know so what you're saying is marriage is two people staying together under threat of a lawsuit from the other I mean
03:30:45
Brian Atlasthat's also kind of sounds like love to me isn't it huh isn't that also kind of why you well that's why that's why I'm against it but your argument is well because of the financial ramifications they're more likely to stick it out but
03:30:58
Tegan Powellwhat I'm saying that's like an argument I'm just saying that's kind of sure another way to look at it so sure but that's kind of just like if if someone believes that marriage is what it takes to be committed to someone then they're going to do that if not then they don't
03:31:11
Brian Atlashave to get married you know yeah but I don't think the basis for my commitment should be my fear of losing half my assets I think it's I I should I want to stay with somebody because I love them
03:31:21
Brian Atlasand I you know well of course yeah not because I'm not not because of fear um and but here's the thing though usually in marriage it's the man that
03:31:31
Brian Atlasloses in that situation when the divorce does occur right the negative outcomes of divorce disproportionately impact men that's why I wanted to
03:31:43
Bernadineyeah go ahead my husband and I have gone through rough patches where we didn't think we would stay married um for me what changed my heart and my mind was understanding that we made a
03:31:56
Bernadineblood Covenant it's not some weird freaky witchcraft type of thing it's literally something humans have been doing forever so like I said he was a virgin I was a virgin when we got married and obviously
03:32:07
Bernadinewhen you have sex um you know there is blood because you're a virgin and when I understood that we made a pact and a covenant in blood
03:32:18
BernadineI knew that even if I couldn't stand him I hated him I wanted to leave him he's my husband no matter what I do no matter where I go if I separate no matter what I do he's my husband and
03:32:31
BernadineI'm you know his wife and if I slept with another man I am committing adultery before God because I've made that pact with him and like I
03:32:42
Bernadinesaid this is something that people have been doing since the beginning of time um in Wars um in you know even religious settings and in the Old Testament for this to make sense to people and
03:32:55
Bernadineespecially Christians in the Old Testament when the Israelites Israelites sinned they sacrificed animals and that was their offering and that blood spilled was the way that their their sins could
03:33:07
Bernadinebe forgiven and then in the New Testament it wasn't animals it was Jesus Christ that was sacrificed and his blood was spilled so that whoever believes in him would be saved and their sins would
03:33:18
Bernadinebe forgiven so blood Covenant is the most powerful type of Covenant you could make and as Christians you know you understand that in the you see it in the Old Testament you see it in the New
03:33:30
BernadineTestament and when you get married you are making that pact if you're both virgins you made that pact if you're not and you have a history that pact is made in the blood of Christ and like I said I
03:33:41
Bernadinedon't believe in born-again virgins as in your biologically a virgin again your hymen is intact again when you gave your life to Christ no it's not but the blood of Christ forgives you and you made that Covenant with your husband regardless of
03:33:52
Bernadineyour past you made that pact and that Covenant in Christ does that make sense so I'm saying all that to say look I'm not I don't condemn anybody with a past because like I said our society is so screwed up we're 60 years past the
03:34:04
Bernadinesexual Revolution we have a lot of work to do here but I'm just sharing my perspective that I don't view my marriage based on you know our ceremony our wedding day or even our wedding ring
03:34:16
Bernadineor our paperwork that we sign at the government one time for like 30 minutes at their office we're married because I made a blood Covenant with him and there's no separating that there's
03:34:27
Bernadineno what God put together let no man separate it and there's no divorce for me there's no separating from me there's no adultery for me because I gave my life to him and I'm creating life with
03:34:39
Bernadinehim we have five children and we're gonna have grandchildren and this is a long-term lifelong thing and not just that it's a generational thing and so it's not just a religious you know pact
03:34:49
Bernadineit's even a biological a scientific pact and I wish that we could you know slowly get back to that understanding and even though we have mistakes and we've done things wrong we could teach the Next
03:35:01
BernadineGeneration to do it better than we do and just in the same way that the sexual Revolution screwed us up we can go back they taught us you know sexual Revolution and feminism and all of that
03:35:12
Bernadinetaught us that this is the way to go about life is to sleep around well we can be the change we can tell the Next Generation starting from right now 2023
03:35:22
Bernadinethis is how you do life I've done it the other way and it hurt and it messes up we have so much divorce we have so much abortion we have so many you know just people just sleeping around and we don't know how to love each other we don't
03:35:35
Bernadineeven know how to talk to each other as men and women and we see that fruit of all of that and weak to me the change and say this is not how you do it son this is not how you do it daughter you can be the change I've tasted the fruit
03:35:47
Bernadineof the sexual Revolution hookup culture of this degeneracy and I don't want you to taste it I want you to do better than me and that's what we get to do as you know husband and wife as mother and father and that's what Lawson and I get
03:36:00
Bernadineto do that's my husband that's what we get to do for our children and then they get to teach their children and honestly it feels so helpless because the world is so messed up but it's not helpless in the same way that
03:36:12
Bernadinethey screwed us up we can change it we can change the director the we can change the direction that it's going and we can change the sorry we can change the rhetoric does that make sense
03:36:24
Bernadineyou can change it you see the fruit of it you don't like it be the change that was moving well said well said that
03:36:35
Bernadinewas good that was good wow you're not like saying oh I'm a virgin I got married when I was you know young and I was a virgin like I don't have any self-righteousness in myself the only righteousness I have is in
03:36:47
BernadineChrist so I'm not better than any of you yeah well and so it's just that we need Jesus and we need to change things and we need better for our children does that make sense sure and I appreciate you opening up
03:37:00
Brian Atlasabout that I mean just going back though to um you know you mentioned blood Covenant and religion and Jesus um I mean the the problem with all that though when it
03:37:12
Brian Atlascomes to marriage and and this your train of conversation there started off kind of because I brought it back to marriage is that what people who are Trad cons traditional conservatives is they feel to realize
03:37:25
Brian Atlasthat the state provide excuse me you fail to realize that the state presides over your marriage not your biblical values so
03:37:36
Brian Atlaswhen the woman is unhappy she's going to the state not God so even women who are Godly and Pious even
03:37:47
Brian Atlasif you're a man in your Godly and Pious it is not a bulletproof path towards an everlasting marriage that is never subject to the negative ramifications of
03:37:58
Bernadinedivorce and the paperwork women can leave right if they're just not happy if the marriage is not healthy they can just leave whether or not the man has any money for her to get from the divorce so the
03:38:10
Bernadineproblem is just that men and women wives and husbands need to understand each other and thankfully my husband and I stayed together because we learned the truth and we learned how to work through our problems
03:38:22
Bernadineand we did it in divorce and that's the whole reason why we do any of this stuff online you know coaching and all of that is because we learned some things the hard way and we want to pass on what we learn because it saved our marriage does that
03:38:36
Brian Atlasmake sense well and I I mean first off I obviously want to congratulate you because it sounds like you have a good marriage and I'm not saying that people can't have good marriages um I I guess just my whole thing is is
03:38:48
Brian Atlasthat as a guy it's it's not I it's it's a risk and you know I think Orion was making a
03:38:58
Brian Atlasreally really good point here is you know when the financial incentives are there for women to pursue a divorce it could be like
03:39:10
Brian Atlasyou know it looks very tempting to just be like you know what I can get all this money I'm kind of we're arguing blah blah blah okay let me just leave I
03:39:22
Brian Atlascan get this money if if there's if you put in front of somebody hmm okay I can get paid fifty thousand dollars a year let's say your your man's a high earner he's going to pay some certain alimony payment we've heard of astronomical alimony
03:39:35
Orion Tarabanpayments in the six figures seven figures eight figures um I perhaps you know look well I guess one of my points here is that this is a really high bar and we
03:39:47
Orion Tarabandon't see this in relationships in society very often like what jobs do people that exist in the world where like no matter what you cannot be removed from that position like Pope
03:39:59
Orion Tarabanlike Supreme Court Justice like and and those folks are vetted over Decades of a career and I'd like to think that what we've
03:40:11
Bernadineseen throughout most of human history is that when we give people a place where under no circumstances they can be removed we see a tendency towards abuse well the Bible says that
03:40:24
Bernadineif there is adultery it's grounds for divorce if there's abuse and you're physically like endangered like you're in a life or death situation you should separate you know what I mean
03:40:34
Bernadineand if it's not worked out then yeah I mean but most people divorce before those things happen and I think if women felt like loved or whatever and man felt
03:40:47
Bernadinerespected in their marriage they wouldn't get divorced so it's not the money that wives are after I don't believe that I believe that they're seeking emotional relational intimacy
03:40:59
Bernadineand the problem is across the board wives and husbands are the problem wives and husbands can be the solution well I would I would I agree with you to a certain extent I think that if if a man feels respect and woman feels loved
03:41:11
Orion Tarabanthey're not going to leave the relationship but that doesn't necessarily mean just because they feel loved or respected that they should get married well because again why like why is it
03:41:24
Orion Tarabanthat women catch the bouquet at weddings so they could get married next right exactly why isn't there anything equivalent about that for men ever
03:41:35
Alicia Tunisiabecause it's different for men exactly and men don't truly men don't have to get married it's more about a girl like even exactly marriage is about security Hinduism that's right Indians like even with that it's kind of similar to this
03:41:49
Alicia Tunisiawhere it's like once you get the arranged marriage like your parents set you up and this is not even like that long ago but like even my parents like they had no choice like they were like set up and it was like a
03:42:01
Alicia Tunisiadone deal okay so it's like yeah that's basically it but what I'm trying to say is like for men it's different like men they don't have to do that like it's not like a death sentence
03:42:11
Bernadinemen want to marry because they want to procreate and they want sex and they want a woman like that's just common but all that was happening before marriage
03:42:22
Orion Tarabanhappened but so it shouldn't be well that's a moral judgment and I think that basically marriage it's also a biological thing you know marriage I think started as a
03:42:34
Orion Tarabanas a way of instituting social control because when when women having sex so I think it has to do with a form of social control because it's bad for society to have a bunch of like parentless kids running around
03:42:46
Orion Tarabanthat's why I say that inherently the institution of marriage is about creating a context in which children can be raised everything above that the
03:42:54
Orion Tarabanreligiosity the romance the legality the status is not something the institution of marriage is designed by nature to sustain and that's why marriage fails
03:43:06
Orion Tarabanlike marriage didn't even become a covenant in the Catholic church until the 16th century Jesus was not married the popes do not get married
03:43:18
Orion Tarabanso like religiosity is something that was added to marriage further down the line and then even further down the line there was a conflation of two concepts
03:43:29
Orion Tarabanthe love affair and the like let's say the family arrangement and like the love marriage was born
03:43:41
Brian Atlasand and I think that love marriage has actually done more damage to the institution of marriage than social media feminism well let's let's move off of uh
03:43:50
Brian Atlasthe marriage thing here but uh look it's kind of vanilla as a dude in today's day and age to get married um if if we want to see a return to
03:44:01
Brian AtlasTraditional Values and or return to marriage I think a couple things need to happen divorce needs to be stigmatized which used to be the case but is no longer the
03:44:13
Brian Atlascase that's never going to happen uh the other thing is there needs to be a rewriting of marriage laws if you want to see people start getting married again get rid of alimony
03:44:24
Brian Atlasit's it's a holdover of days where where basically women couldn't go out into the
03:44:32
Brian Atlasworkforce and make their own money and perhaps there are some scenarios where alimony may be warranted but you know if you want men to start
03:44:46
Brian Atlasgetting married get rid I mean perhaps get rid of no fault divorce or just do a rewriting of the marriage laws where men aren't financially destroyed in the event of
03:44:56
Brian Atlasdivorce I think it's that's probably the most realistic way to bring people back towards marriage and
03:45:06
Brian Atlaswe should probably see conservative politicians pushing for a rewriting of the marriage laws if they value marriage but I it's not clear to me if
03:45:16
Brian Atlasconservatives really are prepared to um do any sort of redo of how marriage or how divorce plays out in the United
03:45:28
Brian AtlasStates so I think that's the big thing um if you want to see people getting married again divorce has to be
03:45:36
Brian Atlasstigmatized on the social level and they need to rewrite the divorce you know marriage laws divorce laws and perhaps we need to return to Traditional Values
03:45:48
Brian Atlasbut personally but but the only the only one that can really be changed I don't think that there's I don't think you're going to convince
03:45:59
Brian Atlaslike hyper liberal people that to to return to Traditional Values you can I think people who are conservative or traditional can maintain the status quo within their communities and you can try to bring people the more Traditional
03:46:12
Brian AtlasValues but it's not like hookup culture is here um so yeah I I don't I don't think there's
03:46:22
Brian Atlasgoing to be a huge uh incentive for men to be dying to get married especially a lot of men are waking up to the uh absolute destruction that occurs to them when they do get
03:46:34
Brian Atlasdivorced so yeah um let's see do we have any soup chats Eric we have Dustin Bond following Trad rolls where women stays at home and raises kids giving up career Pursuits and man goes to work providing for the family
03:46:46
Brian Atlaswithout the consequences of dividing Financial Resources if divorce occurs the man has unreasonable leverage and power over his partner uh without the dividing if divorce
03:46:59
Brian Atlasoccurs the man has unreasonable leverage and power over his partner okay word right that makes sense yeah we're I mean the the argument for
03:47:10
Brian Atlasalimony is basically look if a woman a woman chose to uh disregard pursuing a career in an effort to uh raise a family I mean well that plays a bit into child
03:47:23
Brian Atlassupport too but um there is some argument there but I mean that doesn't undo the fact that the man just gotta [ __ ] pay alimony in the divor the family court system has a bias
03:47:37
Brian Atlasagainst man so not look if you guys want to protect yourselves protect your finances don't get married Point Blank period okay
03:47:46
Brian Atlasum we have uh let's see here we've got I think that's that's it on the chats um so I we were going around the table and we're gonna try to wrap up here pretty soon
03:47:58
Brian Atlasum did anyone want to come in with like something dating related that well I think you went right um sure you just brought up hookup culture
03:48:10
Farah Khalidiso who do you think controls hookup culture like who sets the tone for it with men or women women why why yeah well because women control access to sex
03:48:23
Farah Khalidiright they're The Gatekeepers of sex but don't you think guy is kind of like lie and manipulate women like I think a lot of women want relationships but a lot of guys want casual sex so don't you think like the nature of modern courting is that guys will wine and dine girls and
03:48:36
Farah Khalidithen the girls are kind of like Risk them up and lead them on to believe like they do want a relationship sure don't you think guys are the ones who kind of carry the weight of hookup culture just by the nature of modern courting well I
03:48:47
Brian Atlasdefinitely I definitely think that there are certainly men out there that are going to misrepresent what they want they're going to say I want they're going to say I oh I want a relationship blah blah blah and then they hook up with a girl once and then never talk to
03:49:01
Brian Atlasher again um I think that's wrong I think you ought to be uh men to some degree play a role but you have to ask yourself what percentage of men are playing that game and it's a
03:49:14
Brian Atlassmall subset of men um and I think this also plays into and it's one of the reasons why I asked the question well what do you rate yourself on a scale of one to ten and and this is why I give the pushback if a
03:49:26
Brian Atlasgirl for example who at least in my view isn't a 10 but she considers herself a 10. um women need to be realistic because women do need to be careful about men