Goth Girl SLASHED Her Boyfriends WHAT?! | Dating Talk #78
Date: 2023-05-29
Duration: 5h 55m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Orion Taraban(guest)
SPEAKER_02Bernadine(guest)
SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_05Alicia Tunisia(guest)
SPEAKER_06Cassidy Williams(guest)
SPEAKER_07Abigail(guest)
SPEAKER_08Amber(guest)
SPEAKER_09Farah Khalidi(guest)
SPEAKER_10Tegan Powell(guest)
SPEAKER_11Madison(guest)
SPEAKER_12Shelby Ally(guest)
Key Moments
00:07:04
IntroFarah Khalidi introduces herself: 24, TikTok creator and OnlyFans creator
“my name is Farah khalidi I'm 24. I'm a tech talk Creator and I'm also one only fans”
00:08:29
IntroBernadine introduces herself as 32; Tegan Powell follows immediately after
“my name is Bernadine I am 32. I”
00:18:29
QuoteFarah reveals she is a virgin despite doing OnlyFans
“I'm currently single I've only been in one relationship... we didn't [censored]”
00:52:46
QuoteFarah defends being a virgin OnlyFans creator: asks what intercourse has to do with taking photos of yourself
“I would ask them to Define what they think intercourse is and then ask how they think that relates to taking photos of yourself”
00:58:35
OtherBernadine promotes her femininity/relationship online course and announces it to the panel
“my program I have like my students messaging me every other week now saying I'm engaged or married”
01:43:59
TopicRatings round begins — Brian asks guests to self-rate physical appearance 1-10
“let's go around the table what do you rate yourself in terms of physical appearance on a scale of 1 to 10”
01:44:16
QuoteFarah rates herself 10/10, up from 1/10 on a previous episode
“honestly I give myself like a 10. last time I said one”
01:44:56
QuoteShelby refuses to give a rating number; says everyone is beautiful (Christian worldview)
“I think everyone's beautiful I personally don't do ratings”
03:04:12
ControversyAbigail reveals she slashed ex-boyfriend's mattress with a knife, scattered his clothes and blankets in the desert, and stalked his new address
“I slashed up his bed so that way he won't bring other women... I scattered them around the desert”
03:07:32
QuoteAbigail also found ex's new girlfriend's info, threatened to email her boyfriend, and physically showed up at ex's house
“I found out her boyfriend's email and his social media... I showed up to his house”
04:38:17
OtherBernadine promotes her course with discount code 'whatever'; Instagram: fearless.femininity
“if any of you ladies are interested in enrolling in my course you can enroll with a major discount using the code whatever”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Guest Introductions
Guests introduce name, age, occupation. Round of relationship statuses and longest relationships.
00:09:30
Relationship Status & Dating Apps
Each guest's current situation. Covers situationships, long-distance, virgins on OnlyFans, arranged marriage pressure.
00:35:00
Arranged Marriage & Indian Families
Alicia discusses family pressure around marriage by 35; arranged marriage as fallback. Farah open to curated introductions.
00:47:30
Flowers & Gift-Giving on Dates
Whether first-date flowers are turn-on or cringe. Orion's adorer/adored framework. Gift personalization vs. script following.
01:03:20
Dating Multiple People Simultaneously
Brian's discomfort with women dating 5+ men per week. Farah/others argue women's selectiveness. Debate on female vs. male option asymmetry.
01:09:23
Skincare / Pimple Ad Read
Sponsored segment on skincare. Panel discusses whether acne/pimples are distracting on dates.
01:34:56
Zombie Apocalypse Hypothetical
Would guests survive or give up in a zombie apocalypse? Walking Dead vs Last of Us zombie comparison.
01:43:59
Self-Rating & Sexual Marketplace Value
1-10 physical appearance self-ratings. Orion's normalized SMV framework. Debate on objective vs. subjective attractiveness.
02:41:40
Marriage, Divorce, Blood Covenants
Bernadine's Christian perspective on lifelong marriage and blood covenants. Divorce statistics. Brian's skepticism of marriage contracts.
03:04:12
Ex-Revenge & Property Destruction
Abigail reveals she slashed ex's mattress, scattered his clothes in desert, and stalked him. Discussion of tire-slashing and revenge behavior.
03:25:00
Female-Initiated Divorce & Feminism
Why women initiate ~70% of divorces. Bernadine argues feminism since 1960s caused decline. Farah/Orion debate pair-bonding and hypergamy.
04:00:00
College Hook-Up Culture
Discussion of hook-up culture at UCSB/Isla Vista. Whether people actually want relationships vs. casual sex.
04:20:00
Sex Before Marriage & Body Count
Premarital sex debate. Body count and pair-bonding. Tegan on sadness of high body counts. Alicia on double standards.
04:30:00
Final Q&A / Audience SuperChats
Extended audience donation reading, relationship hypotheticals, Brian discusses podcast direction and online drama.
04:40:39
After-Show (Madison hosting)
Madison hosts a brief after-show with remaining guests and chat interaction.
Transcript
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Abigailum my name is Abigail I'm 28 and I am a twitch streamer and I work at an amusement park you said you're 20. 28 28 yeah okay and your
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AbigailTwitch streamer what do you what do you stream video games or yeah video games and I just talk about random stuff while I'm gaming okay what's your go-to game
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Abigailum I've been playing a lot of Halo and chivalry um and I'm starting to get on Call of Duty Cold War zombies okay welcome
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Farah Khalidimy name is Farah khalidi I'm 24. I'm a tech talk Creator and I'm also one only fans
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Alicia Tunisiakind of you just tilt your microphone down towards you ever so slightly thank you all right what about you um I'm Alicia Tunisia and I'm 29 and I'm a digital
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Shelby Allyhi my name my name is Shelby Ally I'm 21 years old and I'm a part-time actress model and I'm in school for communications got it sorry what was your age again I forgot to write it down 29 29 and then you uh my name is Shelby
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AmberAli I'm 21 years old all right what about you hi I'm Amber I'm 24 and I'm a Creator on only fans okay hi I'm Cassidy Williams I'm 21 and I'm a
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Cassidy Williamsrecording artist recording artist what kind of music um it's like pop like alternative Sabrina Carpenter it's Amy gray that type of stuff
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Brian Atlasso your singer yeah let's hear something right now yeah what's that song um
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Brian Atlasyou know that song Cinderella song look what's it anybody know that song uh loneliness I mean yeah that's not like what I said that's not what I sing
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Cassidy Williamsthough what are you saying like pop that's not pop okay all right well we'll come back to it we'll come back yeah for sure for sure
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Bernadinewe'll hear some bars go ahead my name is Bernadine I am 32. I
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Tegan Powellwelcome my name is Tegan Powell I'm 19 years old and I am a college student and athlete at Kane University as well as a swim coach you're you said 19 yes okay
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Orion TarabanI'm Orion taraban I'm a psychologist I run a couple of businesses and I also have a podcast Channel called psycax get it to 100K guys
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Brian Atlasum have host a ridiculous podcast Okay so uh we're gonna go around the table once more so please tell us your current relationship status so
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Brian Atlasare you single situationship talking stage relationship uh are you part of a polycule are you married
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Brian Atlaset cetera Etc and then just also the longest relationship you've ever been in go ahead um
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Abigailum somewhat in this situationship but I'm just not ready to be like committed at the moment um longest relationship I've been in was like two and a half years
00:10:13
Brian Atlasokay so you're sort of in the situationship um [Music] I'm not like unsure about it so you're but you're kind of semi
00:10:24
Abigailquasi-sort of seeing a guy right now yeah how long have you been seeing him um like
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Abigailmaybe a month one month okay are you you want more are you happy with the situationship or well I I was also I also talked to other
00:10:46
Abigailpeople um but not but not like hanging out or anything I mean like like just online by the way how do you describe your aesthetic would
00:10:57
Brian Atlasyou consider yourself goth yeah I would say so yeah goth okay is there any other sub-genre of uh appearance that you'd consider you fall under like Emo or scene or the
00:11:10
Abigailscene is seen still a thing I don't know I I don't I don't really like follow any genres I just stress what I like is My Chemical Romance your favorite band no no no
00:11:21
Brian Atlasyou don't [ __ ] with My Chemical Romance um I heard like a couple songs bro hold on hold on but you said you're more goth than our
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Abigailemo is there an emo component no emo is more like they're like emotional and they're they're known for like
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Brian Atlasum okay I'd rather not say for okay I think I'd know where you're going with that um so do you listen to Rammstein Rammstein uh
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AbigailStein yeah he's good well does what I listen to more is like I like Deftones I like oh yeah Deftones good yeah and um I like some of the newer bands like I
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Abigaillike static dress um and a couple others I also like um like goth music like twin tribes I'm not super familiar with goth music
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Brian Atlasbut um were you a goth kid in like when you were in school too because you're 28 so have you maintained your gothness throughout your entire life or is it a
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Abigailnew development or I would say it's new um because when I was younger um I was I was more like casual
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Brian Atlasum because I um I grew up kind of poor and then uh then for a little while I had like a chola face a chola face yeah okay I detect a bit of an accent are you were
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Brian Atlasyou born in the U.S yeah okay got it um so you had the Chola phase then that went into goth did the guys you date are
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Abigailthey Jude goth dudes or like Jude like preppy I date anyone you date anybody yeah anybody yeah they don't have to be God
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Brian Atlasum like usually the type of guys that I attract or like gamer nerdy guys gamer nerdy guys would you go for like a wasp
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Brian Atlaswasp type dude like white Anglo-Saxon Protestant like from Martha's Vineyard Martha's Vineyard
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Brian Atlaslike just a preppy is that like a show I think it's a geographic location but they might it could be a show potentially
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Abigailyeah I I don't know I'm pretty open to anybody as long as the vibe is good you know as long as and like there's like attractive like attraction sure but so
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Brian Atlasyou're currently in a one month situationship thing is he a get goth dude is he kind of goth too or yeah he's goth too well that's like a home run for
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Brian Atlasyou like to find a goth dude it's kind of it's kind of whatever yeah okay rock and roll we can get more into that too but oh you said you're also talking to some other people at the same
00:14:09
Brian Atlastime is that right yeah but it's is there a goth dating app um there is I want to get on it to be honest um it's called alt scene alt scene it's
00:14:21
Brian Atlasa dating app it's a website not an app let me just download that [ __ ] okay I'll have to check it out later is that what is you're on that yeah is that where you
00:14:31
Brian Atlasmet your current situationship no I met him on uh Farmers Only oh Bumble you said what Farmers Farmers Only no it's an up-and-coming dating app I encourage all
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Abigailof you here at the table to check it out I think it's a fantastic place to uh I don't know if I could um I click with a farmer dude fair enough okay
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Brian Atlassorry all the farmers in the chat she's off market for you okay um moving on Vara Uh current relationship status
00:15:05
Brian Atlaswait did you just unplug it oh yeah just plug it back in it's fine party Foul good time that's that's pretty funny
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Brian Atlasum does this mean it's not probably I reckon is it working you can't speak into the mic yeah I think you're good be gentle on the microphone please
00:15:28
Farah KhalidiI'm currently be nice to it sorry sorry go ahead go ahead I'm currently single I've only been in one relationship and it was three years long three-year three-year relationship okay how long have you been single
00:15:39
Brian Atlasabout a year one year and the three year one ended a year ago yes okay got it um any any dates since your last appearance
00:15:50
Brian Atlason the show no nothing nothing let me Wing man for you I would love that I got you do you destiny
00:16:02
Brian Atlasyeah I've been trying to there's what's the success on that do we have a date planned I can arrange okay I can arrange are you down for Destiny I honestly have more sexual chemistry with his wife
00:16:14
Brian AtlasI can I can put in the word I'll put in a good word um okay um and but so on lash on the last show you said that uh you were virgin
00:16:27
Brian Atlasum but you're in a three-year relationship yeah um so it was we didn't [ __ ] you know okay yeah did was was there like uh because you know amongst I I
00:16:40
Brian Atlasdon't think well I don't know if I've asked if you're religious at all but I know among some religious people there's there's loopholes um no loopholes no religious loopholes not religious no
00:16:53
Brian Atlasokay got it um was was he religious or just he also didn't want to uh um he was Christian Christian guy okay was he waiting until marriage um yeah
00:17:05
Farah Khalidiand uh I forgot if I asked this last time are you waiting until marriage I think I said I was just waiting until I'm in like a stable relationship and that could be marriage or it could just be a high level of trust with someone okay got it
00:17:19
Brian Atlasalthough but you you were in a three-year relationship did you not oh but he was waiting is that right so you would you did you feel that with him but he just didn't want to have sex
00:17:30
Farah Khalidihe definitely still would have done it to be honest even though he was I mean a lot of religious people say they're waiting I mean yeah yeah okay but you didn't feel that level of
00:17:42
Farah Khalidiconnection with him I did I just honestly I'm just at like a slower track than other people like I didn't even have my first kiss until I was 19 and that's kind of when we met so I was just we probably would have gotten there sure
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Brian Atlaswhat do you say to people I mean because you do only fans and I suppose you're on your last appearance that's why it came at a bit of a surprise to me it's not often you hear someone who does only fans for example who's also a virgin so
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Brian AtlasI mean what do you say to people who uh call into question or who who question you know given the category of work you do that
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Farah Khalidium I would ask them to Define what they think intercourse is and then ask how they think that relates to taking photos of yourself because I I don't think there must be an overlap that's probably what I'd say
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Brian Atlasthere doesn't have to be but only fans gets lumped into sex work yeah which is kind of a very loose term you
00:18:38
Brian Atlasknow so that could mean anything from being a street walker to taking tasteful lingerie photos so
00:18:47
Brian AtlasI think some people uh might conflate hey if you do this type of work that it could correspond I've got like virgin
00:18:59
Farah Khalidistrippers I've met even like virgin porn stars who do like CGI porn so I would say there's also a ton of Christian girls on only fans or also virgins I would just say like there's a wide range
00:19:09
Brian Atlassure uh what about you relationship status longest relationship single and two years okay how long have you been single um
00:19:22
Alicia Tunisiaabout a year okay why did he dump you um I dumped it oh excuse me I'm sorry I'm sorry uh we were gonna do long distance but then he went to business
00:19:32
Alicia Tunisiaschool and we just didn't see it working but we we're good friends that's about it sure what about you I am I'm kind of talking to someone but
00:19:47
Shelby Allymy last early
00:19:51
Shelby Allylongest longest relationship um um four years ago
00:20:00
Brian Atlasit was fortnite Fort uh was it the fortnite kind of close to that so two weeks is your longest yeah you could say that wait hold on just point of clarification what's the longest period of time you've ever seen a guy
00:20:12
Brian Atlasum it probably five months it's just not officially five months five or six months so it was a situationship yeah pretty much okay and currently you're in a complicated situation how long have you been with Mr
00:20:24
Brian Atlascomplicated um it it's been about five like the same amount of time five months yeah oh so you're that was the guy you were talking about I know it was different it was someone else that was last year different five months well you're on the
00:20:36
Shelby Allyprecipice here because your previous longest I know thing was five months so it's gonna be a victory if we get to the next month why is it complicated um uh because he's just really far
00:20:49
Shelby Allyyeah Dubai no a different country though different country yeah Europe no no Latin America somewhere Far Far Away
00:21:03
Shelby Allyum which country uh or how about continents give us continents if you don't want to be um he is in I'll just Antarctica huh yeah it's close it's actually very close to that it's very close to that it's
00:21:15
Brian Atlasdoing scientific research yeah Antarctica but uh which where is he at okay it's he's in Australia okay um so how many times have you hung out
00:21:26
Shelby Allyin person uh many times when he was here okay uh and do you want are you are you guys in a relationship no
00:21:36
Brian Atlasare you seeing other people right now um I mean my options are open but he's probably he's gonna come back what do you mean your options are open
00:21:49
Brian Atlaslike are you going on dates yeah I'm going on dates okay yeah but when he comes back you're gonna try to make it not complicated yeah pretty so you want you want him to be your boyfriend
00:22:02
Shelby Allypotentially in the future in the future does he want you I I know we haven't fully talked about it yet you haven't you guys been complicated for five months well he was
00:22:13
Shelby Allyhere but then he uh he had to leave so he went to Australia and he's going to be back in a few months is he uh uh he's he's like content creator oh yeah comes from Australia he
00:22:24
Shelby Allywas here uh just doing some work when did he leave uh like a month ago a month ago yeah okay do you think he's seeing other girls um I I don't know probably not probably not
00:22:38
Shelby Allyyeah yeah how many you said he's a content creator what yeah is he on YouTube or twitch or uh you YouTube how many Subs does he have uh are you gonna try to find him no we're not gonna okay oh gosh
00:22:49
Brian Atlasuh five million five million all right chat no I'm kidding oh my gosh 5 million he just went back to Australia a month ago um
00:23:01
Shelby Allyfive million you sure he's not seeing any other girls um I'm not not positive
00:23:15
Brian Atlasum just here and there nothing serious I I like him so so he's your your main chick Main Chick he's your man he's your main chick and you've got some side side
00:23:27
Shelby Allychicks just having a little fun I mean he's gone right now but I do like him okay how many side chicks do you have I I don't keep count is it a Baker's Dozen what are we
00:23:39
Brian Atlastalking about no no it's not too many okay yeah fair enough fair enough three around three okay fair enough yeah interrogating you now okay go ahead what about you
00:23:51
Amberum I'm single I've only ever had one relationship and it was for four years but I've been single now pushing three years I've tried dating but it just hasn't been working out for me
00:24:03
Ambertry dating hasn't been working out why is it not working out or what do you mean by that it mostly has to do with the fact I do only fans which I completely understand the stigma against
00:24:13
Amberit I understand some people can either can view it in a bad light but it also depends on what kind of content you do and I don't do anything to risque so I think it's more so just hard for me to
00:24:26
Amberfind the right person that respects me the way I should be respected and vice versa sure what kind of content do you do on of is it BG solo content I do solo content mostly
00:24:40
Brian Atlasthat's about it I haven't really done anything with other people okay and just you do only fans do either of you do only fans okay um are you currently like seeing anybody
00:24:53
Amberthough is there one some guy in the picture who's a sneaky link or no I don't do that kind of stuff I'm not a hookup person I don't do situationships if you want to date me you want to date
00:25:05
Amberme and that's that I I don't have the time for dealing with multiple people at once it just seems like too much work sure what about you
00:25:17
Cassidy Williamsum I'm single I've been in one technically two relationships one was like three months I think and that was actually official the other one was he asked me to be his girlfriend and then
00:25:29
Cassidy Williamsthe next day he was like actually never mind I have commitment issues I was like okay um but then we were still like on and off just for like two and a half years
00:25:38
Brian Atlasbut he was kind of trash wait you were on and off with the guy you tell them you were on and off with the guy who asked you to be his
00:25:49
Cassidy Williamsgirlfriend but then backed out the phone yeah so like we were talking also it was really weird so I was 17 almost 18 and here's 20. so illegal
00:26:01
Cassidy Williamsum but anyway [Laughter] um and so he we were like talking for like a month or two and then he texted
00:26:12
Cassidy Williamsme on Snapchat and he was like do you want to be my girlfriend and I was in my community college in the cafeteria and I was like sure and he was like okay cool and then literally like that night or
00:26:23
Cassidy Williamslike the next morning he texted me and he was like actually like I can't do this never mind but like we can still talk and I was like I was 17 so I was
00:26:32
Cassidy Williamslike okay cool so we were still talking and then um I don't know it was like it was so bad like he didn't have a job he was like about to get a felony and
00:26:45
Cassidy Williamsum I was just going back and forth like with him [Laughter]
00:26:57
Cassidy Williamslike trying to like figure out what was going on I was like paying for his [ __ ] I paid for him to make the haircut one time it was like forty dollars he said he would pay me back he still has it it's been three and
00:27:08
Cassidy Williamsa half years um and wait you're still trying to shake him down for the thirty dollars no no I don't even
00:27:19
Brian Atlastalk okay but yeah yeah we're right here and say give me my money [ __ ] pay me Josh give me my money [ __ ]
00:27:32
Cassidy Williamsanyways but yeah so we were just like that's not his name right no it is okay okay it's okay he's aware he's aware so anyway
00:27:44
Cassidy Williamsum yeah we were just going back and forth and um then I just ended it because also I'm from Washington and he lives in
00:27:53
Cassidy WilliamsWashington and I live here now so we're just we're done you're done yeah when did that end um probably like
00:28:04
Brian Atlaslast summer it's like almost here last summer like the end of last summer okay and you get so you guys were on and off again for two and a half years or something yeah something like that um but that ended a year ago what's
00:28:16
Cassidy Williamsgoing on recently anything closer to the mic please nothing really I've just spent like you know like I'm on Tinder I like talk
00:28:27
Brian Atlasto people Tinder yeah any other dating apps Bumble that's it oh also hinge but hinge is weird so well I think hinge is actually probably one of the better dating apps out there but um
00:28:40
Cassidy WilliamsI got banned on that so we don't talk about that okay um yeah so I'm on those so I like talk to people but it's never like led to anything serious so so you got nothing right now
00:28:52
Cassidy Williamsin the pipeline anybody on the bench anybody on the roster no I mean I'm talking to this guy um in L.A because I'm about to move to LA so he's like up there but we'll see what
00:29:05
Cassidy Williamshappens what do you mean he's up there like you know he's like up on the roster like he has a chance he has a chance yeah is there are there some other guys on the roster there's like guys that text
00:29:17
Brian Atlasme there's guys that text you yeah but like they don't really have a chance they just text me but they know that they don't have a chance no so you just what do you mean they so
00:29:29
Cassidy Williamslike they just text me like they slide up on my story and they text me and they're like what do they say I don't know like if I post like a mirror picture they're like oh my God you're so hot let's hang out and you just don't
00:29:41
Brian Atlasrespond I either leave them on red or I send like a heart and that's it okay yeah how many how many of these dudes do you have um that are just texting you like they'll just text me yeah that you know are
00:29:54
Brian Atlasinterested in you but you're not interested in them um
00:30:01
Cassidy Williamslike right now actively probably like between five and ten but like they kind of rotate in and out like sometimes people will just text me like from a
00:30:12
Cassidy Williamswhile ago and they're like hey like I'm blah blah from Tinder and they're from like six months ago and I'm like I don't even know who you are like how do you remember who I am you know are they
00:30:23
Brian Atlasmessaging you on Tinder or texting you or either Tinder or SnapChat yeah okay and are they texting you at like midnight or something on a Friday no just like throughout the day but is it evident to you that these five to ten
00:30:36
Brian Atlasguys are like they're interested in you yeah it's not just like some [ __ ] [ __ ] no okay uh question do you have a do you have any male siblings yeah I have an older
00:30:47
Brian Atlasbrother older brother okay um does he have like five to ten chicks just in the shadows wanting to [ __ ] him no
00:30:57
Brian Atlasit's interesting how that works it's very the male and female experience is uh very very different I'll just say that um okay well maybe we'll come back to
00:31:09
Bernadinethat let's keep it moving what about you I am married can you hear me I'm married uh my husband and I have been married
00:31:18
Bernadinefor 11 going on 12 years so we've been together for like 13 years though any kids five five kids wow congrats thank you all right and uh what
00:31:30
Tegan Powellabout you I am single I've been single for about a year and a half and I was in about a year-long relationship okay it was done like high school relationships it was uh
00:31:45
Brian Atlasfor a year and a half yeah just about while you've been in college yes um why is that why is I mean do you let me let me ask you a
00:31:57
Brian Atlasdifferent question um do you currently I mean a lot of people say they're single but they have something going on there's some guy in the picture um do you have some guy in the picture no ever since I uh me and my boyfriend
00:32:11
Tegan Powellbroke up I really kind of just distance myself from all of that stuff and worked on myself nothing dating apps no um I did have some dating apps for a little bit my friends
00:32:22
Tegan Powellconvinced me to get on Tinder I really genuinely did not enjoy it whatsoever um and then uh not Bumble I was never on Bumble hinge is is interesting I think
00:32:33
Tegan Powellthat's a fun app but I don't know it doesn't feel genuine to me so I ended up deleting all of them how long were you on Tinder for not long at all I don't even know to be honest like it just wasn't something
00:32:46
Brian Atlasthat I was sure did you go on any uh dates from Tinder no no okay you're just on there to check it out and yeah it sucked yeah it's a fair assessment
00:32:57
Orion Tarabanum Orion what about you relationship status I am currently unmarried so that's a big one people ask about that on the channel I am seeing somebody okay I have uh had a number of long-term
00:33:10
Orion Tarabanrelationships I've had a couple that are between six and seven years and I've had a lot of different kinds of relationships with a lot of different folks um a lot of experience there okay
00:33:22
Brian Atlasum what's the longest relationship you've had I had a couple that were between six and seven years okay got it got it and uh you you also have a private practice right uh
00:33:33
Orion Tarabanpsychology therapy Private Practice I do I have a few businesses one of one of them is my clinical practice I am a psychologist I work primarily with men I specialize in
00:33:46
Orion Tarabanmen's Mental Health I have a pretty full roster with that and also with the YouTube channel I now talk to men and women from all over the world who reach out for consultations okay rock and roll by the way Eric can
00:33:58
Brian Atlaswe check in on his channel did we get him to 100K
00:34:04
Brian Atlasoh did you close it out killing me killing me yeah it was pretty close it was on Pace to to make it there today so yeah I think I think we probably hopefully pushed you over
00:34:14
Brian Atlasum so uh okay cool good to know good to know um let me know when you have that Eric uh Maddie or Archduke tell us your what are you doing to that baby what the [ __ ]
00:34:30
Brian Atlasoh okay got it okay go ahead pull it up 100K oh okay we're we'll check on later all right go over there go subscribe go sub to his channel he's got some great videos guys uh link for that is in the
00:34:42
Brian Atlasdescription um Okay so I had I had one one of you guys in your messages Alicia right um you wrote in your messages
00:34:54
Brian Atlasum the love that exists in movies is real I believe I in finding my soul mate I believe the right one is there for me just a manifestation away
00:35:07
Alicia Tunisiaoh yeah so
00:35:11
Alicia Tunisiaassembling of random thoughts but do you have any questions so I can talk more about it yeah so I mean you mentioned soulmate you believe that the right one is there for me yes the love that exists
00:35:23
Alicia Tunisiain movies is real I really believe in the one I believe in like a soulmate connection and I I'm the type of person like I don't sleep around I can be celibate for long periods of time so I I
00:35:35
Alicia Tunisiareally want to like find the one in the next couple of years I have a time limit because I'm Indian and I come from a really strict family where they will I don't know if I can say the word but
00:35:46
Alicia Tunisiathey would like arrange can I say look can I say kill or that's fine okay well they would kill me if I had to only fans that's how strict my family is oh like
00:35:56
Brian Atlasthey would murder me Good Times okay um but what um you said you have a time limit what so are you would they also
00:36:08
Brian Atlasannihilate you if you didn't get married by the time you're 35 what probably no they wouldn't they would they would really yeah you said you were you said you're Indian I'm Indian your mom is going to murder you
00:36:21
Alicia Tunisiayeah I probably don't or just get you an arranged marriage oh like that's a little different than murder well right yeah something okay it's either either one of
00:36:31
Alicia Tunisiathe two it's okay so either murder or Arrangement either murder or being disowned or being forced into a marriage one of the three would it be important to Marry another Indian
00:36:43
Alicia TunisiaI don't think it's necessarily important to them at this point they don't mind but it is important for them to see their daughter have a good partner I would love to have you in my course in
00:36:55
Bernadinemy program I have like my students messaging me every other week now saying I'm engaged or married so my heart goes out to you I don't want any courses oh [ __ ] okay shots fired
00:37:07
Bernadineshots fired how much you charge for your courses um the original price is 297 but you can get a special enrollment link through my free Master Class
00:37:19
Bernadineit's um like a whole online course and then the group chat and then I also feature some of my students on my Facebook that has been successful
00:37:29
Bernadineum yeah so it's just a lot of support a lot of information it's a Sisterhood and a lot of prayer goes on in the group chat so it's really awesome we go through the process together and we're there for each other so
00:37:41
Brian Atlasokay all right um but so you said you you don't have issues having long periods of celibacy no I don't but how long have you been celibate well I didn't say I'm
00:37:52
Alicia Tunisiacelebrating right now I am right now but the point is what I'm saying is like I do kind of crave a partner but I'm a perf oh I'm a perfectionist which comes with a lot of
00:38:03
Alicia Tunisiachallenges when I see partners and basically having too many options kind of fried my brain and also I'm very much a perfectionist in everything that I do so I'm trying to tone down my
00:38:15
Brian Atlasmasculinity because I am masculine like I'm very much a go-getter I'm aggressive type of girl okay so you're trying to tone down your masculinity do either of you have a comment on that
00:38:28
Orion Tarabanand I know you've spoken on I think you've spoken on this masculinity femininity stuff sure I think that all men have masculinity and femininity and all women have masculinity and femininity and generally
00:38:40
Orion Tarabanwhat works in attraction is sexual polarity um you seem very feminine to me just from looking at you but you certainly describe some behaviors that additionally associated with masculinity
00:38:50
Alicia Tunisiawell I think I should go get her in my career Ling I do acting I've been on social media for about eight years really successful with that on top of that I went to UCLA and I have a degree in
00:39:03
Alicia Tunisiapolitical science and business so I've kind of just been like go-getter like a full rounder like really like goes after my dreams like that's Dream Chaser but thing is is that I still appreciate a
00:39:14
Alicia Tunisiaman and I'm still willing to be I'm not traditional at all but I'm more of a moderate does that I hope that makes sense I think so yeah we can talk more
00:39:23
Orion Tarabanabout it so yeah that's kind of my two cents but I'm yeah that's me I'm wondering though you said that the love exists in the movies I think it really depends on what movies we're talking about can you give me some
00:39:36
TTS/Miscexamples of that's me just like romanticizing you know and I don't talk about astrology Mike Davis donated 200. thank you Mike Davis I don't mean to make this personal but only in this
00:39:48
TTS/MiscWestern backward culture can a hippo have a roster and these females who will shriek at Mike Davis was seconds away from bursting in laughter so STFU sorry just addressing the elephant in the room
00:40:04
Brian Atlasum do you ever that's obviously directed towards you uh do you have a response to Mike Davis okay he's the resident hater by the way
00:40:15
Cassidy Williamsokay sorry resident roaster do you have a response to Mike Davis um I feel like I shouldn't really address this because you don't deserve attention but anyway
00:40:27
Cassidy Williamsum yeah I can have a roster thank you you can be attractive no matter what size or weight you are so that's all I have to say but I do have a roster you
00:40:39
Brian Atlascan check my Tinder I have over a thousand matches goodbye you have over a thousand matches on Tinder okay all right I mean I think uh
00:40:51
Brian Atlasone one thing though I would point out though is when I think there's two different places that some men might put you so
00:41:01
Brian Atlasyeah it's not really a W for women to have a bunch of guys that want to [ __ ] you the W is guys who are prepared to uh commit to you who are prepared to be in
00:41:11
Brian Atlasa relationship with you and you're prepared to marry you yeah um because it's as a woman it's pretty easy to find a guy to sleep with you but yeah sure it's harder to find a guy who's prepared to commit to you and as I said
00:41:24
Brian Atlasbe in a relationship and be married to you okay moving on uh thank you Mike Davis appreciate it what were we talking we were talking about the Disney movie yeah
00:41:34
Alicia Tunisiawe were talking about feminine qualities and masculine qualities yeah and I was talking about how like I want to be a little bit less masculine and focused more on being a little bit more feminine
00:41:45
Alicia Tunisiadid you get that feedback like no no feedback from anybody it's like self-awareness too much self-awareness and perfectionism because I'm a perfectionist what is the love that
00:41:57
Alicia Tunisiaexists in movies what does that look like to you like cheesy romantic love so what would a guy do to fall into that category honestly I'm not like hugely
00:42:08
Alicia Tunisiamaterialistic person but those little touches do make it kind of like a movie you know what I mean like the gifts the thoughtfulness handwritten letters roses like it's just cutesy stuff but I
00:42:21
Brian Atlaswouldn't call myself like the most materialistic girl in the world I have a question for you you said like some of the cutesy stuff handwritten letters flowers Etc um at any for example and you're 29 at
00:42:32
Brian Atlasan earlier point in your life did you ever have a guy ever do anything like that for you get you the flowers kind of any romantic gestures I did were you
00:42:42
Alicia Tunisiaturned off by that no when you were younger like I said I was very focused on my career and my entire in my entire High School career I didn't even date or touch anybody the first time that I even
00:42:54
Alicia Tunisiahad my first kiss was I think it was like 19 or 20. so before that I didn't I just I was not like the male species didn't exist to me basically because I was very focused on school and my parents
00:43:08
Brian Atlasbasically I mean they pretty much kept me in a jail cell and I wasn't allowed to do anything a jail cell yes it sounds like a very you had a very strict upbringing I did yeah I have a question
00:43:20
Bernadineso when did your parents feel like you should go pursue a relationship now because first you said they were wanting you to focus on school and career when did they say okay it's time for you to get married
00:43:31
Alicia Tunisiathey think now's the right time to do do that like on my timeline they think that I should actually not you know maybe
00:43:40
Brian Atlasholy [ __ ] wait hold on Yo stay safe thank you for uh rating he's a twitch streamer yo stay safe thank you man by the way guys we're gonna have stay safe on the show on Tuesday that's going to
00:43:51
Brian Atlasbe a good show uh stay safe is a uh twitch streamer and he's a [ __ ] World of Warcraft Chad solid warlock player too by the way just
00:44:03
Alicia Tunisiasaying I don't know if you're still playing warlock but uh okay sorry go ahead continue yeah thank you Stacey appreciate it I think that this is like a good time now because for them it was
00:44:14
Alicia Tunisiaalways about like Financial Independence it was all it was always about like achieving like I come from parents that are like very much into they're very much into achieving your goals and like being a
00:44:27
Bernadinego-getter being aggressive like right yeah I want you to focus on school and career and then all of a sudden you know switch your mentality and find the
00:44:38
Alicia Tunisiamotivation and time to now pursue relationships so I think they can give you a little Grace maybe some maybe let's see but probably not because they they move at a very fast pace and
00:44:50
Alicia Tunisiaif they kind of decide something then they want to like see the result and that's kind of how it worked out for me like in my life like everything has moved really fast you know for social media or for like
00:45:02
Bernadinegetting into my dream school like life moves fast there's like basically no like there wasn't like much of like a timeline based on what I've seen like I don't think you have a ton to work on I
00:45:13
Tegan Powellthink you are pretty like Pleasant and feminine you know and warm so have you ever slashed a guy's tires no I've never done that I was just wondering Tegan you had something ahead yes do you think that your parents
00:45:26
Alicia Tunisiarelationship leads by a good example for what you're looking for and no I okay I I don't think it does that's not what I want but I do love that they end up together all the time like even after
00:45:37
Alicia Tunisiathey've been divorced that they're together now and like it's a forever type of love and there's like extreme loyalty those are like good things like I can pick up the good from what they
00:45:48
Farah Khalidihave but there's also a lot of bad that I see and I definitely don't want to like emulate that in my relationships have your parents curled any options for you like in case you need that backup for arranged marriage and also do you
00:46:00
Farah Khalidithink it's possible to find the one via arranged marriage at all or no because you could still have that romantic aspect I'd say it's actually more likely you'll find someone with those Traditional Values he'll Court you through that marriage I'm not against arranged a marriage necessarily but
00:46:14
Alicia Tunisiahonestly if it's if it's a right match like The Vibes right I don't think that I would feel weird I don't think it would feel forceful but I do think that you know that I have I would have to like date
00:46:25
Alicia Tunisiathe person first get to know them but it would be I mean I'm open to that if it's the right match did your parents have an arranged marriage he did my parents had her they did and it was yeah anybody else here at
00:46:37
Brian Atlasthe table their parents had an arranged marriage are you Indian are you Farah are you open to an arranged marriage I mean I'm always open
00:46:49
Farah Khalidito having options presented for me it's kind of just wingman thing I wouldn't like want them to coerce me into it but you know what I mean I don't think there's anything Insidious which is showing you know what I mean potential pairings
00:47:00
Brian Atlasif I had someone in mind for you for an arranged marriage would I marry them could I become their second wife usually it's the parents that do the arranging of the marriage I think but you can
00:47:12
Brian Atlasthrow the options at me I'd like to know you want I got okay maybe I'll throw something in your direction too yeah my DMs are open for certain people um so just going back to the movie thing so
00:47:23
Brian Atlasuh just show of hands here who has had uh anyone here had someone buy them flowers from a romantic like let
00:47:35
Brian Atlaslet's say not in a long-term relationship but like early on like first date second date maybe third third date someone's show of hands you've been bought flowers early on
00:47:47
Brian Atlasthat's in Pratt Tegan nothing no rip all right yo r.i.p's in the chat for Tegan um okay so I need to I need to offer goats what um okay that's is that are you talking about the
00:47:59
Alicia TunisiaDowry hello um isn't it usually the woman the woman yeah definitely has to do that if it's if it's super traditional what's your Dowry but things have changed now and this is the United States so it's like
00:48:12
Brian Atlasis there a dowry not necessarily it would depend on the family I need listen I need at least a dozen cattle I need farm equipment so there's got to
00:48:23
Brian Atlasbe at least a tractor a plow get me in touch with your dad I'll see what I can do um so okay Tegan hasn't had anyone buy them flowers question for those of you who
00:48:34
Farah Khalidiwere bought flowers was it be honest like was it kind of a turn off yes first day I find it super formulaic and unless I'm expressing an interest in
00:48:46
Brian Atlasflowers I think it's just I think it's a little bit cringe I'm gonna be honest do you think flowers are cringe on a first day if I'm dating someone then now it's a bit much maybe too soon yeah
00:48:57
Abigailright what about you I think it's nice um just the only thing is um it's kind of like I kind of have like a limit like
00:49:06
Abigaillike okay this is cool but above that I'm like okay that's kind of corny and I don't really like it if in terms of the gift giving early on
00:49:18
Abigailuh gift giving um gift giving yeah I like yeah free stuff it's cool um yeah I think it's cute I mean you
00:49:30
Alicia Tunisiaknow I I didn't get turned off by it I actually was like oh that's sweet and that was hard for me because you know it is hard to accept a gift when you're I don't know when you're in your masculine
00:49:41
Alicia Tunisiaand I feel like I function in my masculine a lot more uh but I was just like oh that's sweet and it wasn't even like a big gift it was just it was just thoughtful sure it was thoughtful and for once I didn't take it as like you
00:49:53
Alicia Tunisiaknow like I'm usually turned on by other things so I was turned on by something nice for once okay what about you uh yeah I like flowers I I don't mind them I appreciate it it's a nice gesture okay
00:50:05
Brian Atlasmaybe a better question is like and I do you lose respect for the guy if he buys you flowers on the first date
00:50:18
Amberafter our first date send me send me apartment I loved it I thought it was this the sweetest thing ever I think showing appreciation for someone is important and it just makes you like them a little bit more
00:50:31
Cassidy Williamsokay yeah I went on a date in like January and we were doing like a movie night with like wine and stuff and he asked me what kind of wine I wanted and he went to three different stores to find it and then he was late because of that so then
00:50:44
Cassidy Williamshe pulled up and like had a bouquet of sunflowers in the back and like I just thought that was nice
00:50:53
Brian Atlaswait this was a first date yeah bro you went to three I'm sorry that's that's kind of sad yeah that's that's a no like I called him and I was like where are you like it's been like 20 minutes and
00:51:06
Cassidy Williamshe's like oh I'm just checking out at Albertsons like I went to Target to find the wine you asked for and I couldn't find it so I went to this store and now I'm at Albertsons but I'll be there in a second and I was like okay and then he picked me up and then he was like open the back door and I was like okay so I
00:51:20
Brian Atlasopened the back door and then there was a bouquet of someone guys stop well stop it um please don't do that guys okay
00:51:31
Brian Atlasum all right Bernadine what about you sorry did I say was that your name yeah okay okay I thought I [ __ ] it up there okay people usually get it wrong if they burn a debt or something oh [ __ ] yeah flowers are nice yeah that's nice Tegan
00:51:43
Brian Atlasoh you didn't get any flowers RP's in the chat for Tegan um who knows maybe after the show though um Orion do you have any thoughts on this do you think it's uh you think it's a bit much to go all out like that and
00:51:55
Orion Tarabanget flowers for a girl on first date I've never gotten flowers so let's go do you get on this one Chad well I was much more romantic when I was younger and I
00:52:06
Orion Tarabandid a lot of things that I saw in the movies and I did them with a great deal of sincerity and it generally did not work out very
00:52:15
Orion Tarabanwell for me and it didn't lead to the kind of reaction that I was hoping for uh I think the reaction I tended to get was oh yeah that's very sweet which you
00:52:27
Orion Tarabanknow several of you ladies expressed but it certainly didn't work to uh it didn't lead to sex and it didn't lead to a relationship one of the things that I talk about is I
00:52:40
Orion Tarabancall it the fundamental rule of Attraction which is that people want what they want not what wants them okay so there's another principle at play here which is
00:52:52
Orion Tarabansee if you follow me on this one it's not possible to for two people to like each other exactly the same amount do you guys believe that that's true do you believe that the man should want the women more
00:53:04
Orion Tarabanno so let me talk a little bit more about this so first of all we're saying it's not possible for two people to like each other exactly oh flan life thank you for the 50 gifted we'll we'll do the fit check in just a
00:53:16
Orion Tarabansec man thank you so much for the support appreciate all the uh uh memberships man thank you so much um go ahead so if that's true then that means that there's always somebody in a relationship who likes the other person
00:53:28
Orion Tarabanmore and there's always someone in a relationship likes the other person less I call this person the adorer and this person the adored and they're actually like gender neutral like men could be here men could be here women could be
00:53:39
Orion Tarabanhere women can be here and um when a when a person is pursuing when they're showing interest what they're doing is they're putting themselves in the position of the adorer and the adore is actually where everyone
00:53:51
Orion Tarabanreally wants to be both men and women I think that that's actually true and that's because when you're in the position of the adore you get all of these feelings you get to be with the one that you love
00:54:03
Orion Tarabanyou get it's it the thought of them makes your heart race when they don't text you're worried and you're anxious when they do text you're relieved when you get to see them you're really excited and you're into it the person who adores gets to have the emotional
00:54:16
Orion Tarabanexperience the adored doesn't the adored has a much greater muted emotional experience because this person gets to be with the one that they love and this person gets to be loved by the
00:54:30
Orion Tarabanone that they're with and that's a very different experience now they're pros and cons to each it's not actually better to be the adored or the adore though people generally have preferences one for the other
00:54:41
Orion Tarabanbut when a when a man comes out of the gate with with buying flowers and going out of his way it really does put him in a place of the
00:54:52
Orion Tarabanadore very easy early and it creates a big gap in that attraction because the fact of the matter is is that no one has like earned that yet
00:55:02
Orion Tarabanand that's why it kind of comes off as uh untrustworthy It's like because there's nothing that the woman has done yet to demonstrate
00:55:13
Orion Tarabanthat she's worthy of his affection and so it comes off as even though it's in his um as just kind of like desirous of wanting to be liked
00:55:23
Orion Tarabanwhich isn't generally why we like people we don't really like people who want to be liked we don't respect people who want to be liked and it's very hard for women to be attracted to men that they
00:55:34
Orion Tarabandon't respect and so by giving unearned gifts It generally reduces a woman's respect for a man which over time it doesn't they can think it's sweet they can think it's
00:55:47
Farah Khalidicute but these aren't serious contenders for a woman's affections I completely agree I think um kind of what you just said like the woman hasn't really earned it yet so if I just match with a guy off hinge he immediately brings me flowers without us even talking the phone I'm thinking he
00:55:59
Farah Khalidijust wants to impress whoever's walk out that door has nothing to do with me so like the most recent time a guy bought me flowers is on a first day I found a cringe on like the fourth date he bought me like a Brita filter and a water bottle and I thought that was super romantic because I told him I'm super
00:56:11
Farah Khalididehydrated because I never have like drinking utensils and that I found romantic so it's not so much that women don't like gift giving it's I think that they don't like impersonal gifts well what they what I think you correct me if I'm wrong what you really liked about that is that the guy was paying
00:56:24
Orion Tarabanattention exactly but it wasn't really that it wasn't based off this idea of a movie of like oh girl flower that's true and it wasn't that you really wanted a Brita like you probably could buy a Brita for yourself it's that somebody
00:56:35
Bernadinewas listening to you and demonstrated that with a small gesture yeah yeah I think by definition a gift is unearned like you don't deserve it it's just given to you because out of their heart they just want to give you something I
00:56:47
Bernadinethink part of it is as modern women we don't really appreciate flowers as much as women did a few decades ago but yeah if it's a present then that they know you specifically want it feels less
00:56:59
Bernadinegeneric you know what I mean but a gift is a great idea regardless it's just it feels more specific when it's you know it feels personalized technically I would agree with that I think all gifts
00:57:10
Orion Tarabantechnically are unearned to the extent that they're true gifts and they don't come with any strings attached but it's interesting you said um would you say something along the lines of um no gift
00:57:21
Orion Tarabanis it's be nice if he gave you you a gift well that's part of what I'm getting at is he doesn't really know who you are yet and so what he's what he's doing is he's going through a script or