Brian REJECTS Her LIVE?! 200+ Body Count?! Valentine's Day SCAM?! | Dating Talk #135

Date: 2024-02-14

Duration: 6h 37m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLily Phillips >

AAndrea (DT135)>

HHazel (DT135)>

JJade (DT135-LV)>

NNatalie Winters >

AAtlantis (DT135)>

BBecca (Team Vulnerable)>

EEmanuel (Team Vulnerable)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Emanuel(guest)

SPEAKER_02Jade(guest)

SPEAKER_03Atlantis(guest)

SPEAKER_04Becca(guest)

SPEAKER_05TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Hazel(guest)

SPEAKER_10Natalie Winters(guest)

SPEAKER_11Andrea(guest)

SPEAKER_12Lily Phillips(guest)

Key Moments

IntroLily Phillips self-introduction as "online slag / porn star"

“hello my name is Lillian Phillips I'm 22 I'm from Darbyshire England and I am an online slag otherwise known as porn star or only fans ho whatever you want to call it”

ControversyBrian explicitly rejects Lily live on show: would not date her due to porn career and body count

“even if I was inclined to do that I wouldn't even want to have casual sex with a woman who's promiscuous or who's done porn or who has a high body count cuz those things are pretty much deal breakers for me”

OtherLily reveals she had a labiaplasty ~2 years prior for cosmetic reasons; went clubbing the night of surgery

“I actually went out like clubbing the night I got it done cuz they got me on... I did have sex like a week after I had it done and the stitches came out”

QuoteBrian states he has not performed oral sex on a woman since the "Bush Administration" (~2007-2008)

“I haven't gone down on a girl since the Bush Administration”

ControversyLily discloses 200+ body count and provides breakdown: ~150-200+ civilian, ~50 scenes

“definitely triple digits I couldn't tell you what it is... probably not more than 200... in the hundreds... about 50 [scenes]”

ControversyLily describes hot tub incident on family ski holiday involving approximately 10 men

“there was a hot tub and there was also a sauna... having sex with a couple of them... two [intercourse]... four or five [other acts]”

Key MomentBecca reveals husband had erectile dysfunction on their wedding night due to porn addiction

“your husband literally can't get it up for you... he's struggling with this so much that he's having Ed and can't get it up for me”

ControversyJade reveals ex-partner was secretly addicted to gay porn; discovered via Wi-Fi router history; he used her credit card for OnlyFans; had filed a marriage license but never married

“I went through the Wi-Fi router... he was actually severely addicted to porn even got to the point where he was using my own credit cards to buy only fans”

Key MomentBecca gives testimony: lost God in college, believed she was only good for sex, found redemption; encouraged Lily that she is not "too far gone"

“I had you know I grew up Christian completely turned away from God when I was in college and I started believing certain things about myself that I was an object... you rated yourself a six and that's ridiculous you are so so beautiful”

QuoteBrian explains "dating creep" concept: once a woman dates a high-value man it's hard to go back

“once you start dating a certain caliber of man you start like having dating creep... it's like hard to like date the normal average guy once you've had a taste of like a certain tier of man”

QuoteNatalie Winters states OnlyFans and porn are part of a broader agenda to destroy Western civilization

“there are corporations that want you to be sitting there and saying that because they want you to buy into this narrative because they are intent on the destruction of Western civilization”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and relationship statuses

Guests introduce themselves; discuss current relationship statuses, situationships, and OnlyFans business model.

OnlyFans debate: empowerment vs. societal harm

Extended debate between OnlyFans creators and Natalie Winters/Manny/Becca on whether OnlyFans normalizes objectification, harms relationships, contributes to declining birth rates and Western civilization.

Porn addiction and Team Vulnerable nonprofit

Manny and Becca discuss Team Vulnerable; Manny's 15-year porn addiction, ED on wedding night, recovery. Programs for couples, singles, and parents.

Valentine's Day commercialization

Discussion of Valentine's Day spending (men ~$190 vs women ~$96 average), gift preferences, whether it is a scam.

Foodie calls and women using men for free meals

Study cited: ~33% of women have gone on dates purely for free food. New York Post story of woman who got groceries free for 2 years via dates.

Marriage pros/cons and prenuptial agreements

Brian explains why marriage is a bad deal for high-earning men: community property, alimony, legal costs. Debate on religious vs civil marriage.

Violence/BDSM in porn and 50 Shades of Grey

Discussion of aggression in mainstream porn (88% statistic), choking trend post-50 Shades of Grey, impact on real-world relationship expectations.

Dating apps and modern dating challenges

Women claim men who use dating apps aren't real men. Roleplay experiment: women pretend to be men hitting on Madison. Discussion of Tinder match disparity.

Tinder bizarre date story (Andrea)

Andrea shares story of a wealthy bisexual man from Tinder who wanted to pay for plastic surgeries and customize women like "Barbie dolls"; had paid for transgender partner's surgery.

Brian's Hearthstone/World of Warcraft tangent

Brian goes on extended tangent about quitting World of Warcraft in April 2020, his Hearthstone rank (rank 33 world, Warlock 1623 wins), why video games are addictive.

Body count discussion and hypocrisy debate

Lily reveals 200+ body count. Round-table body counts disclosed. Debate on whether men with high body counts are hypocrites for wanting low-body-count partners.

Lily's personal life stories

Lily shares: university sex life, hot tub incident (~10 men, family ski holiday), sex party, 4 encounters in one day, thoughts on body count mattering.

Jade's ex-partner porn addiction discovery

Jade reveals 2-year quasi-engagement ended when she found ex watching gay porn via Wi-Fi router history; he had been using her credit card for OnlyFans.

Self-ratings (1-10 looks)

Guests rate their own physical attractiveness. Hazel claims 10. Brian rates himself a 5. Debate on realistic self-assessment and hypergamy.

Hypergamy and dating marketplace dynamics

Brian's extended analysis: average women chasing above-average men; lifestyle creep in dating; men get front-end rejection, women get back-end rejection.

Transcript

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Lily Phillipsno if I I guess if I could take care of myself then maybe yeah but You' only be you'd only be 29 as

Brian Atlaswell so oh that's true I that's not that's not I think yeah but so okay the the the question here is not we're referring to the

Brian Atlasattractiveness of age and not other factors so if you were your best weight and health at 25 you would be more attractive than your best weight and health at 35 you can't like so it's

Brian Atlasyou're conflating like this super unhealthy overweight itself at 25 to like this potential Peak weight and health at 35

Brian Atlasbut if you compare that's not an equal comparison if you compare your Peak self at 25 to your Peak self at 35 5 I mean I think it's the answer to this is

Lily Phillipsundeniable indisputable yeah yeah I don't argue with that I mean neither you're right you're right Brian you want a

Brian Atlasdebate all right uh still tens still tens okay I'm going to keep pushing back a little bit then

Brian Atlasuh let's see um I'm trying to think where I go with this um we stumped here I'll tell you here hold

TTS Readerloose energy donated $100 you're 10 said no one ever even Stevie Wonder seea high calorie

TTS Reader304s the two meat balls need to chill the out Brian Abdul is sending extra large rocks # delusional number8 at 18 the

Brian AtlasRocks fir get the RO get the Rock Yo Thank You LP appreciate it uh we have Marcus David somebody like shaking the table I think it's it's all good it's all good every man would rate you with

Brian Atlaswhatever you'd want to hear take you to bed and then that's it prove it wrong let's see okay thank you Marcus David do you guys have a response to this I have God they're brutal tonight yeah I have a

Hazelpotential man that I could be in a relationship with so no that why aren't you in the um I don't feel like I'm ready for a relationship but he does everything that a man would do for his

Brian Atlasgirlfriend oh okay I'll tell you kind of why I push back on this is because

Brian Atlasum do you guys want an average woman or oh my God what I saying yeah well they might be they might go that way do you guys want an average

Hazelman average Define average an average man do you want an average average looking sure average looking just average average the do I want an average man I

Brian Atlaswould probably prefer someone that's not so average yes I would I would like a 10 out of 10 woman who's a billionaire sure but whether I can get it or not that's another question um would you be do you

Andrearecognize that you may very well end up with an average man or have to I wouldn't say have to well you don't certainly you don't have to just you love who you love that's what it comes down to at the end day if he's average I

Andreamean you think he's average maybe to the other person but to me I me think he might be the hottest guy in the world that doesn't mean everybody else is going to think that okay so it's like am I settling no

Hazelcuz I love him I think he gorgeous Love is Blind so an average man could be everything to someone that's in love okay but there's just there's just

Brian Atlassort of the the statistical reality if we assume that most people are average or fall within the average then Aren't They isn't it fair to say that they

Brian Atlasought to partner up with somebody who is also average no not necessarily this kind of interestingly enough goes back to our do the conversation about a guy with a

Brian Atlashigh body count Desiring a woman with a low body count when I see is a lot of average women don't want average men so again a lot of women desire traits and partners that they themselves possess

Brian Atlasyou have average women who are chasing after men who are quite frankly out of their league and so my push back on the whole self assessment of being a 10 thing really

Brian Atlasjust boils down to uh what I see as a major issue going on in the dating Marketplace average women don't want average men a average women think they're above average or a 10 thus you

Brian Atlashave average women that are going to be chasing after exceptional or above average men you have average women who are going to reject men who are commensurate to them in terms of their appearance or their social social

Brian Atlasstanding or social status so you're going to reject the men who are actually on your level you're going to if you happen to find yourself down the road in a relationship with this sort of man

Brian Atlasafter you've perhaps attempted to chase after men who are outside of your league um you're going to ultimately end up having contempt contempt for the men that you end up settling with um you're probably not going to be satisfied in

Brian Atlasthe relationship because you're going to be pining for this exceptionally attractive guy who perhaps you got his divided atten a lot of women get caught up in these situationships friends with benefits

Brian Atlasbuddies one night stand situations uh boys whatever it may be and uh but you'd almost prefer having the

Brian Atlasdivided attention of a hyper attractive man because you can get his sexual attention you're not going to get his romantic attention you're not going to get his marriage attention you're not going to get his relationship and

Brian Atlascommitment attention uh because there's there's a differential here so as a man if I can sleep with a girl there's a pretty high likelihood that I

Brian Atlascan get her in a relationship but you can't say the the same in the reverse like if you can sleep with a guy that doesn't mean you can necessarily get him into a relationship so this is where

Hazelwomen get into trouble because when you have the you could definitely definitely get him into Rel is that what you think gets you gets you into a relationship p that's really I've never

Brian Atlasheard you need to bring a lot more to the table than sex to get in yeah right but you you just cited your wet wet ass I thought if you have if

Hazelyou I could get a man into a relationship if I try you think so any man um no I'm not saying any man but if I really want to I feel like I could the majority you think so

Brian Atlasmhm okay I mean it's a it's a bit of a delusional uh take so you you think that of the men that you could that

Brian Atlaswould sleep with you you could get them all into most of them or all of them into relationships majority she's managed to get 5,000 so far

Brian Atlasso I'd like to think so anyways um it just occurs to me that like I got Madison's number didn't I

Brian Atlas[Laughter] well here's a here's a complaint that I hear from a lot of women they're they're struggling to get commitment they're in situationships they get cheated on and

Brian Atlasit does occur to me that perhaps not all the time but perhaps are these women and I I don't think women are fully beholden to their hypergamous nature but are they chasing after men

Hazelwho are quite frankly out of their league me personally I don't chase after men okay you don't pursue men I mean never

Brian Atlashad to they pursue her okay well you're currently in a relationship sort of I mean you were kind of vague about your relationship status

Hazelbut but what yeah I don't I don't presume men men presume presume me

Hazelum what I if I had to yes and I think I look I think I've had enough experience to know who to go after and

Brian Atlaswhen I see a boy I could tell and I wouldn't be going after the boy here's a big difference right so okay as a man

Brian Atlasif a man can have sex with a woman who of a certain physical attractiveness level that he would I'm not saying all men do this right but there's enough out there where where it can certainly present a problem in the dating

Brian AtlasMarketplace so a man will sleep with a w a woman maybe even keep her around for casual sex might even keep her around as a friends with benefits but just based

Brian Atlasoff of her looks she will never get commitment but that almost rarely happens the other way and so what ends up happening women can sleep outside of

Brian Atlastheir league as a guy I can't sleep with women out of my league like for casual sex like I can't like if I'm going to just go for casual sex and I'm not

Brian Atlasinclined to do it like I might I'm going down I'm looking down right now the girl I want to be in a relationship with I want parody there I want her to be on my level looks wise right but like for a

TTS Readercasual sexual encounter Nikelodeon donated $100 if it's so easy call up ombre and make it official she said it out loud she gets everything a girlfriend needs

Hazelfrom a man without the relationship probably hitting hting dudes on the side sad is it true I'm hitting dudes on the side I no I'm asking if it's true I'm

Hazelnot hitting dudes on the side I make most of my content is girl girl content sure now here's the difference so for for a thank you Nickelodeon for a woman

Brian Atlasto I'm trying to think the best way to articulate this it's it's sort of like a little complex uh thought but for a woman to have sex with a guy typically

Brian Atlashe needs to be at least physically attractive enough for her to see herself being in a relationship with him but the same can't be said for

Brian Atlasmen exactly they go after the easy ones right so and so but when and a when a woman goes for casual sex she might actually she's going to like okay well if I'm going to have casual sex it's

TTS Readergoing to be with a really H the reverse with men I want the women at the table to rate themselves in in comparison to the lady in the first seat with Denim and if above why feminine

TTS Readercute and realistic self-rating we need more of it in society uh well I mean all the women have already rated their their looks I'm not sure that's quite strange they they did already I don't know if

Brian Atlasyou s were here when they already did the one to 10 I don't know I mean if you guys want you can in comparison completely underrated

Beccayourself they just saying that lilan is the hottest one I guess they're saying what they're saying I don't know if you look at her Twitter underated yourself L

Lily Phillipsyou're very beautiful thank you but not true so where was

Brian AtlasI I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you and why I think it's important for women to have a realistic selfassessment of their own physical

Brian Atlasattractiveness in the dating Marketplace is if you've gas yourself up to the point where you think you're perhaps more attractive than you actually are

Brian Atlasyou're perhaps going to chase men who you think are on your level but actually are out in in actuality in reality objectively are out of your league

Brian Atlasthey'll never give you commitment you're going to spend your 20s go jumping from next exciting guy to next exciting guy next talk guy next

Brian Atlasboy uh you're going to start getting baggage and Trauma and all this stuff and then you're going to wait to settle down in your 30s and you're going to settle down you're going to view like

Brian Atlasyou're settling down for a guy who's actually on your level who there's parody with it's probably a terrible that's a catastrophic recipe likely for divorce

Brian Atlasum because you're going to view your partner with contempt oh why couldn't I get one of the hot dudes in my youth you know when I was younger to commit to me he's not not as good in dead he's not as hot he's not as

Brian Atlassexy and uh that's what's going on not all women of course but a lot of women spending their 20s just casual sex yeah

HazelI agree I feel like a lot of women that are dating men um these days are not not doing it in a smart way you have to pick your men you're going to pick the men

Hazelyou sleep with cuz like he said most of the men that you sleep with are not going to commit to you and they won't even take you on dates they don't see you creating with them y yeah but the

Brian Atlasguy here's the problem the guy who is prepared to commit to you he's he might not be as attractive he

Hazelmight not be as attractive as the guys who I love the dad bot I'm not I don't want a man with a six-pack I don't look

Brian Atlasjust look for looks but the the the different the differential here is that as a guy if I'm like trying to hit up a girl who's out of my

Brian Atlasleague men get rejected on the front end women will get rejected on the back end you might get rejected like months down into a situationship when this guy had no intention of committing to you and I

Brian Atlasthink frankly that's a scummy way for men to move but let's be realistic there are men who are going to move like that and the the reality is I mean women are choosing a lot of these men if you look on dating apps for example women swipe

Brian Atlason only like the top five top 10% of men so it just sets women up to be in the situation where while short for their short-term strategy to pursue these like hyper

Brian Atlasattractive men they might be able to get sex with them so that's where I that's kind of where I'm going with like well as a guy I can't shoot out of my league and like just I can't get I can't get

Brian Atlasanything from a girl who's out in my league I can't get casual sex I can't get a relationship I can't get nothing so I get the instantaneous rejection whereas like women you can secure sex from like men who are like way out of

Brian Atlasyour league you you guys might even have dudes who are in your DMs like athletes musicians rappers but you're just they're not going to give you commitment though but we we've had 19-year-old

Brian Atlasgirls who've been on the show who got 500 followers who go to us UCSB and they get they get NBA players in their DMs like these girls are no budies not and I'm not saying that to insult them but they have no status

Brian Atlasthey're just normal college girl they got NBA players NFL players professional athletes in their DMS and then the average 19-year-old guy is going to

Brian Atlashow's she going to like comparatively speaking it's like once you've had a certain tier once you've had like a certain attention from a certain caliber of man it's like very hard to like you know when you start making a lot of money you have something called

TTS Readerlifestyle creep so if you start you could back if you're making $100,000 a month some people like

Brian Atlassome people still try to keep it simple but like you're going to start having lifestyle creep and then if you lose all that like if if your financial circumstances

Brian Atlaschange you're going to have a bit of a shock like having to go back okay I'm I got roommates again now if if your circumstances ever do change same thing like have you ever like you you used to

Brian Atlasbe in Union used to go like to the dude's dorm room and he had three roommates like three dudes in his room and then you all of a sudden you date a guy with his own house it's

Brian Atlaslike it's kind of like hard to like hard to go back to go back to once you've dated somebody who's got like their together you know so in the same way that that people have lifestyle creep once they start making a lot of money uh

Brian Atlasonce you start dating a certain caliber of man you start like having dating creep as I'd like to call it and it's like hard to like date the normal average guy once you've had a taste of

Brian Atlaslike a certain tier of man but that tier of man is open to like a much wider uh margin of of

Andreawomen that's true right you have literally facts you just blew my mind let's go okay all right but like for but

Brian Atlasdo you have like you know famous guys in your DMs and like you know the any F what's like the the most like actually Natalie has a couple right I really I don't want to dox anyone yeah but you

Unknownsaid you said in your pre-show notes you did say something about hold on I'm going to pull it up but I actually don't get a lot of DMs I will say that like I don't go on somebody well I think I alienate half of the country given my

Lily Phillipsline of work uh to start but well you said you've dated pro athletes and politicians and stuff and um but um yeah wouldn't recommend wait so you think

Natalie Winterswith your job you a lot of men are like turned off from it no no no not my job just I think if you don't have the same political beliefs that I do you probably wouldn't date Steve Bannon

Brian Atlasco-host okay yeah is it so is that the big issue like I feel like guys are they don't guys don't want like liberal feminist CHS I mean unless not a

Natalie Winterssuper issue they might want them for like cuz they're on birth control and like for casual sex or whatever but like I definitely don't do I don't know for me it's more it's not just the critique of like Oh I'm a republican so I want to date a republican like I would not do

Natalie Winterswell with some like cringe person who just loves tax cuts like I'm very anti-globalist and to Rhino like they need to I'm not even saying they have to necessarily be political honestly I've kind of learned that I

Natalie Wintersdon't I don't like actually people in politics or frankly even talking about it in my like actual life but it's just nice to have some level I think of overlap in terms of just like when I say

Brian AtlasRhino people aren't like like morals and beliefs yeah but you did say in your pre-show notes here that you some dating pro athletes but you don't want no details

Brian Atlascan can I at least ask any uh NFL no NBA no NHL no hockey players and

Brian Atlashockey no okay golf golfers golf oh was that the W what is that the wga or what PGA would they take you out on dates or

Natalie Winterswould they be like come on you know but it was sort of what you were like we we were dating but it was I don't know I had suspicions that there was other stuff going on and it just like you said

Natalie WintersI think kind of comes with that lifestyle and yeah well professional athletes I watched a lot I I love this show so I've watched a lot of episodes and I've even like turned a

Natalie Wintersbunch of my friends on to it and the point of hypergamy is so profound and I really think that that was something that I just like had never really been exposed to the idea I don't know I think

Natalie Winterspeople just have a hard time like accepting that it's okay to be normal it's okay to be average because it is average so it's like everyone's always going after that like you know Lamborghini driving like billionaire and

Natalie WintersI don't think all women not all women but some and I am glad in some ways some of the worst relationships of my life my life has been with like those kind of types and I realize that at least for me like that life is just not very

Natalie Wintersfulfilling um and that those people are not really into commitment or wanting to settle down so it's like yeah you could have fun with them and date them but any any badmon I actually love B I used to

Brian Atlasplay competive table tennis and any any footballers oh soccer yeah soccer we call that soccer here soccer soccer really you call it soccer like it's more

Unknownin the political realm no that's what we call football yeah but they're cringe have you like Senators you just shot on them they're cringe I think all senators are married so really okay I

Natalie Wintersswear they don't Congressman they don't people do they well that this is the whole other episode they they are doing some interesting

Brian Atlasthings in the capit hill hearing rooms we had we had Madison cauthorne on M let me just say Madison cauthorne is definitely right there are a lot of weird things that go on in

Natalie WintersWashington I saw happen in what I'm talking abouten meting wild right in Amy what

Brian Atlasgoing on in DC yeah um uh you also said in your pre wait really quick I I so I blew your mind I feel like I kind of meandered a bit too long with my point

Brian Atlasthere but um you're spit facts bro thank you brother thank you thank you do I women uh you said Natalie that I don't even remember what I wrote you're a big believer in attachment Theory and I feel

Brian Atlaslike everyone is just stuck in the anxious avoidant trap also feel like a lot of guys are just reporting to be tra looking for wives in my experience a lot of married guys are also extremely

Natalie WintersUnfaithful if given the opportunity yeah big attachment Theory person I myself I'm definitely an anxious attacher and I think the idea of like the chase um

Natalie Winterssituationships is really just the anxious avoidant trap I think I would say exacerbated by the difference in female and male sexuality that just

Natalie Wintersdisparity and how people attach um but yeah I get a lot of just DMS and I mean I don't get a lot of jams from like the verified blue check mark people but just in like the political world a lot of

Natalie Wintersconservative who are very outspoken about their conservative values uh I don't think they really practice them I know you've had Isabella

Natalie Wintersduuke on the show and she like showed DMS of a guy who purports to be very bad um so just stuff like that but it's but honestly I think it's more sort of part for the course like in Washington DC um

Natalie Wintersfrankly that's why I'm moving out cuz it's just a really gross culture it's a bunch of people who like weren't cool in high school and then get a semblance of power that's actually a really profound way of

Natalie Wintersdescribing politics yeah no it's really true so the White House loves painting it white yeah yeah yeah well yeah even look at look at Hunter Biden's life again not

Natalie Wintersit's not even about him like Republicans are doing that kind of stuff too but it's just very degenerate yeah um so but you're saying that like a lot of these

Natalie Wintersguys there's like a lot of them f fulness is that what's going I mean I don't really even capital is that what you're saying unique to me like just there's so many Affairs Congressional

Natalie Wintersthat are exposed or or otherwise um but like Bill Clinton yeah Bill Clinton but even like for example that Capitol Hill sex tape right like that was not a

Natalie Wintersoneoff right there's a lot of stuff that happened was it the gate one there's like that was so out there so you can only imagine the more tame stuff that happens and that stuff is pedal as blackmail like it

Brian Atlasis it's not conspiratorial like they use it so we have uh some notes Here we have Atlantis right or yeah you gave us some pre-show notes

Brian AtlasHere is that your government name uh yes some of my friends call me Atlas oh love cool that's my that's my last name that's cool okay I know I saw getting you said getting cheated on and finding

Brian Atlasout how and who and with who and you said some in idence during sexual intercourse

Atlantishuh so you just to be clear you found out during sexual intercourse you were being cheated no no no no um so this happened in my last relationship my only

Atlantisrelationship I've ever been in um I was lurking on Instagram and it was kind of hard cuz his account was private and I never followed it back when we had gotten back together so it uh um when

Atlantisyou go on Instagram the suggested accounts pop up and I was clicking through every girl cuz I don't know I had like a feeling and I clicked on this one girls Instagram and there was a

Atlantispicture of them and a a picture of them yeah like she posted innocent it could be inocent no it was like a couple's costume and he was like kissing her on the cheek oh

Atlantisyeah oh and he's like a very big guy like girls and guys can't just be friends so I was like that is not one of his home girls is this your boyfriend was my boyfriend at time yeah U over

Lily Phillipslike a year and a half did you get revenge on him did you crash his car no I did not no that that got bumped into that wasn't yeah yeah it was it was like an accident it was totally legit might

Brian Atlasbe watching insurance fraud okay maybe I don't know um the types of guys there are so you said the types of guys there are and how to look out for them getting cheated on SL doing the

Brian Atlascheating [Music] so you were also cheating though no you said get getting cheated on and doing

Brian Atlasthe cheating I said that yeah I don't I don't remember you didn't do the cheating no never cheated zero cheating zero okay I was very faithful to him so you said the types of guys there are and

Atlantishow to look out for them what do you mean by that like okay so like with him he had lied about his body count when we first started getting to know another cuz he said he liked me so much and I

Atlantisthink when he when I confronted him about the cheating that I you know it was in person cuz I know how he is and it's just it's not that it's the

Atlantisfact that he lied about it yeah not even wait so he lied like it was lower or higher he said it he said it was lower but it was actually higher oh oh okay

Atlantishow did you find out well I confronted him in person about the cheating and like we were like talking for like couple of hours about how how much so he

AtlantisLi about well I actually had to get it out of him cuz I am ended up hitting up some other girls and you were like how many girls of you folks yeah and he was basically dating me and that girl at the

Atlantissame time and trying to get with like five or six other girls on the other side so how how much was the difference he lied about sorry like you know if he said oh it's five when really

Atlantisit was 25 um body count the body count yeah like was it a big difference or was it just he said it was like in the double digits and he said it was like one or two yeah

Brian Atlasyeah so you say modern dating nowadays is stupid everybody everyone wants to have sex and I'm a relationship girl so it's hard as hell you've only ever had one boyfriend and went down yeah that was the thing that went

Atlantisdown oh that's it that's the story I thought when you say goes like it went down so I'm like maor Drop like he cheated well he cheated I didn't like act out like scream at him and start hitting him and throwing like no

Brian Atlasthat's not me cuz you say in your next answer or thing you say I tend to get crazy like crazy obsessive to a point and I frustrate myself and the guy with

Atlantisthat trying to fix that crazy how yeah so I tend to get like very obsessive at times um where like my friends are like

Atlantiswhat the like why do you think that way and and it's usually like a I kind of have an attachment issue I mean like it wasn't that I was like I wasn't attached to him are you like a stalker

Brian Atlasis that it no no I did not you you tend to get crazy like crazy and crazy in all caps you were crazy in all caps I mean I stalked one guy but like we never even

Atlantisdated and he was my first love so I make an exception you stalked him yeah really St not like not like in the way you think like Joe Goldberg yeah following

Brian Atlashim around just like on his social4 stuck in his social media and all that basically yeah okay all right we have a couple more things here we're going to try to wrap up within the next I don't

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Brian AtlasMarcus David besides your body what do you really have to offer to a high value man whoa Marcus David is this in response to her W comments is that what

Brian Atlasthis is about I think this might be directed at you because you mentioned the what else uh what else besides the uh companionship your

Hazelheart companionship my heart I could cook um yeah I I could be a great mother I I give head really really

Hazelwell I love anal that's why I stick to anal sex yeah okay but yeah I have a lot to offer not just

Brian Atlassex I I want to play something for this but I don't know uh there's a I have so such a good soundboard thing but okay whatever is it really that she

Atlantiswas a she was a ho what like they keep um saying a no and I'm like is it really that good for like you cuz like I personally enjoy I've done it quite a

Lily Phillipslot I can get my whole fist up there now that like it's it's very like it I don't find it painful cuz it's quite stretched out it's a different kind it's a

Brian Atlasdifferent kind of orgasm like for him or for for for both both wa what I'm sorry what Li what say it again

Beccashe can I can get my whole fist up there yours or his no no not out Things fall out at random no no so it's not

Lily Phillipsgaping it goes back but yeah like if if a guy is like me yeah I'll gape a little bit but not when like I'm like normal right now like H got

Lily Phillipsyeah and like also if you do it with your own hand like it's you know you can feel your like how you feel i' like to uh take this moment to shout out our sponsor hemorrhoid creams hemorrhoid

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Brian Atlasover okay good talk um thank you for sharing that that was that was beautiful that was really just I hope that gave you like a nice like picture of me with

Brian Atlaslike my please don't say that okay we have don't temp don't don't uh temp not tempt don't don't put it in my brain

Brian Atlasdon't me with the don't put it in my brain okay we have hilly Jr hey thank you man men's body count and women's body count question mark cheating is bad

Brian Atlasbut body counts isn't the same for both genders one takes game and one takes just being present okay so I see what you're trying to say here

Brian Atlasbasically uh and again I don't think promiscuity is good in men or women however there's you know we often hear well why why is it when you know if a woman sleeps with a lot of men she's

Brian Atlasshe's viewed as a but a guy's viewed as a stud that's not fair right now look I again I don't think promiscuity is good in men but the difference is it's hard to be a stud

Hazelit's easy to be a it's actually not really that hard when you have like a lot of easy girls out there it's still pretty hard it's hard I feel like it's hard to be aack

Brian Atlasthese days you guys all failed at picking Madison simply things I didn't just Tinder so easily so um Tinder Tinder like men on Tinder won't get many matches if if so any and me I'm I'm not

Jadethe prettiest girl in the world but I'm also not the ugliest I get like I when I had it I had 15,000 likes in a matter of two days and I I like I compared it with one of the dudes that I

Jadewas just that I worked with at the time and he had like 150 and he had Tinder for yeah because guys are out there trying to no but the thing is is guys will they have not to I was told

Jadeit's called fishing with a big net at least on Tinder where they they literally will swipe right on every single woman every single women are so selective with who they are like yes no

Emanuelyes no especially just said look so at least yeah I agree with that statement Becca can back up on this but it's what men swipe right 44% of the time women it's 14% something like that yeah it's I

Brian Atlasmean you have women who are swiping yes on only like the top five top 10% of men um it's a very small proportion of men whereas the vast majority of men on dating apps

Brian Atlasare absolutely just getting blanked they're not they're getting barely any match is and then they're not getting any meetups and when they do get a meetups they get flaked on or you know it doesn't go anywhere so um I feel like

Hazelbecause the women are actually there to find somebody and the majority of the men are just there to have fun uh it's when yeah when women are on Tinder they

Jadewomen won't it's so hard to put into perspective men will sleep with almost everybody so they'll swipe right on almost everybody however they won't date all of them and a lot of men aren't

Jadegoing to go on tender to date they're going on tender to get their you know what what versus women when they're on Tinder they're looking for someone okay yeah attct are they well it's it's like it's embedded in us at least for me I

Brian Atlasdon't know about you guys I'm not going to swipe right on somebody that I'm not potentially going to see myself with I agree with you generally but I think the like the current social climate I think

Brian Atlasa lot of women are like either pressured through in their group because they're like they almost want to justify their own promiscuity by like encouraging

Brian Atlastheir friends to also engage in casual sex so they feel less Christ um go but I

Brian AtlasI do think there's like this whole there is a bit I do think there's a bit of a Trope that it's like women are just looking for relationships and men are just looking for sex I think men are also desire uh desire relationship ship

Jadeand I also think women willingly engage in casual sex yes but they won't engage in casual sex with someone that they couldn't phys themselves with physically see themselves with in the long run yes I

Brian Atlaswill say and you're making some really good points most women can sleep with most men most men cannot sleep with most women women sleep with who they want men sleep with who they can when it comes to

Brian Atlaswhat he was saying I would argue any woman any woman has the capacity to be a any woman has the capacity to sell sex very few men have the capacity to be

Brian Atlasa very few men have the capacity to sell sex yep I think most guys don't really be getting like that so true almost any woman even if she's old

Brian Atlasor unattractive yeah even if she's old or unattractive overweight if she wanted to sell if she wanted to sell sex she could find a buyer fans for senior would

Hazelargue eat like I don't think I don't think I could sell Dick I don't think I could sell Dick I before the tattoo you could sell gay

Natalie Wintersporn no no no no no no it has to be straight if I'm going to sell sex gay porn sells I could probably sell to guys because I I don't want to do that hype gay women are very clearly Li the

Natalie Winterslimiting factor because if you take women out as the variable and you look at the way like gay men use grinder those relationships like they're known as a lot more I would be very popular with the men I know

Andreathis but I'm not going to I wouldn't do it hypothetically hypothetically but no I I wouldn't want I would not I would not do that so I will say this though since she brought up grinder straight

Andreaguys probably you know they it's hard for them to be studs but gay guys well that's different though grinder is crazy like I've had a friend that's different though that's so it's but that's when

Natalie Wintersyou take women out as the like restraint on the sexuality aspect I think that shows the difference but the difference is if if we're talking within a like a heterosexual framework then yeah they

Brian Atlascan't be really St yeah but it's like that for straight men that doesn't that's not really helpful yeah no like two guys together oh you can't you can't get laid with women just go men

Lily Phillipslike I don't know if that's the solution you maybe some of them probably do well you don't even have to you could do solo content yeah and also I do I do think you could probably do it you've

Lily Phillipsgot a big platform no I know some people you get a lot of subscribers Brian's flannel Brian's flannel would be your top subscriber yeah they've already spent

Natalie Winterslike hundreds of only fans.com whatever would you ever date a whatever fan like that you met from well yes like from the

Lily Phillipsshow who shooting her shot no no I'm not girl Lily yeah in

Natalie Wintersheaven light me yeah yeah okay 7 700 p.m. tomorrow Valentine's Day no no I I just am always curious with people who have shows if they would date I'm Cupid

Natalie WintersI would yeah yeah that that wouldn't I mean I feel like that's actually an Optimum situation really yeah but do I think that's weird well I bring

Natalie Wintersthis up because I just saw the Super Chat that was saying if I would assume I'm the blonde conservative I think yeah um that if I was interest well perhaps I'm spoiled in

Brian Atlasthis way but like I think very few men will have the experience of having women pursue them and uh I mean like it's nothing crazy but like

Brian Atlasyeah doing the show like women will contact me who are Express romantic interest and that's sort of like a role reversal uh and they're not doing it in the sort of like masculine aggressive

Brian Atlasway of course I still want to lead in the relationship but I certainly welcome like you know what do they DM is they like hey want it can I can I hit it no there like that would be a turnoff if it

Brian Atlasmore just like your P be like can be on it then I mean some some girls will go about it in a sort of indirect way well they'll like they'll like like no they'll just like ask me a dating

Brian Atlasquestion and it's but it's kind of clear that they're like doing it like indirectly to shoot their shot but then other women will be a bit more upfront direct about it oh you're cute or you're handsome whatever uh so yeah I've

Brian Atlasdefinitely gotten I've gotten that risom I mean it's just like my I'm not um I don't know I I'm not a big fan of uh I don't CH I don't like chasing because

Brian Atlaslook I've I was on the dating apps and it's brutal yeah on the dating apps people say men love chasing though no I I mean I'm the type of person I'm very

Brian Atlaslike I'm and maybe this is cuz I'm like I might be autistic I don't know I'm so I'm so up aess month or something maybe probably

Brian Atlassh but I'm like I'm I'm a very upfront person like I don't really like the the dance or the game like I'll just be up front and just be like I like you are you interest I mean this isn't do you

Brian Atlashave a secure attachment style what what's that like are you anxiously attached avoidantly attached or do you not oh no I'd have to look more that cuz I'm not really familiar with with the attachment Styles but I'm very upfront like

Brian AtlasI'm oh you like me cool I like you like I don't need to play this game of like figing disinterest and all this stuff

Brian Atlaslike I'm just I I like to be very upfront with my intentions and um I also I've when I was on dating apps I one of

Brian Atlasthe most frustrating things is like not really knowing where you stand and like a lot of times you'll encounter and this is why I got off the dating apps who encounter women who are dating multiple

Brian Atlasmen and it's like I don't want anything to do with a woman who's like entertaining multiple men

Brian Atlasso I want to only pursue women who display a very very high level of interest in me and if that means that

Brian Atlasthey have to like initiate then I'm I'm fine with that because I don't want to deal like I want to date a woman who has like really high level of interest in me because I've like I said I was on the

Brian Atlasdating apps I've dealt with the girls that like you go on the date and like they're kind of fence sitters and they're dating multiple men and they're kind of like eh no I don't want to I don't want to pursue that channel

TTS Readerdonated $100 I'm not a prong and of girls are L 304s but they're human listen ladies you're not protecting yourselves online

Brian Atlasor in life reach out to a sec Pro we don't want your herpes but we'll help thank you brixon flannel appreciate it just to finish off on my point so I mean

TTS Readerone thing that I really values obviously a lack of promiscuity and I want a girl who oh we got Hillary here donated

TTS Reader$100 the fact any question of sex or dating goes to the topic of only fans shows the pathetic culture we live in today if you were to have children would you be proud of the work you do I will

Brian Atlashave you guys answer that and then I'll come back to my point go ahead no if you if you were to have children would you be proud of the work you do I don't want children oh okay no

Brian AtlasI wouldn't okay I wouldn't be ashamed of it sure okay uh well to to wrap up on my point um it's like night and day dating

Brian Atlassomebody who has like really strong interest in you compared to somebody who's kind of like not that interested and I don't know if like there's a differential there where women kind of and I don't know if this is the case

Brian Atlaswhere women perhaps are almost a bit turned off if a if a guy's a little too like on them and I'm not saying I want it's nice when boys are like really like

AndreaI really like you up front yeah but so I feel like it um like jinxes the whole thing like if I'm dating somebody and they're dating around like that's boring so it's like if we're talking and you're like still entertaining other females in

Andreathe beginning of our relationship because you're not sure if I'm talking to other guys like I feel like you know have to be straight up and say I want to exclusively date you are you in or out well perhaps I'm in I'm extreme in this

Brian Atlasregard so if I go on the first date with the girl uh if you want a second date you want to see me again all the other dudes have to be a rap like you can't first date I kind of get it obviously it

Brian Atlaswould be optimal if on the first date you're properly totally disagree you're properly single we can talk about it like C like if if the girl is currently sleeping with another guy

Brian Atlasand she's going on a DAT with me I don't I do not want you at all um and I hope she would at least be upfront with me about that if she's currently having sex with another man that's a major deal breaker but even if you're not but

Brian Atlasyou're dating around dating other dudes I'm not interested I want to date a girl who like almost immediately look I get it if it's our first date maybe look again it's my strong preference what's

Brian Atlasthat I said if you know you know it's my strong preference like come to me properly single um because if there's other dudes in the picture like and look some people think this is kind of in the mod in the

Brian Atlascurrent dating landscape this is kind of a radical approach to dating because so many people so many people currently when it comes to 2024 modern dating are just dating multiple people and I don't move that way and I don't want the girl

Brian Atlasthat I'm dating to move that way and look I'm not I don't really drink I don't party I don't go to bars I don't go to clubs I don't want that in the partner either um and I think I am being able to find that because cuz I've sort

Brian Atlasof like screened out those I mean just by virtue of me not drinking or doing I mean it's not a guarantee but finding a girl who doesn't really drink doesn't do drugs doesn't smoke doesn't go out of bars and clubs and parties not

Brian Atlasinterested in that type of person um that's certainly a helpful screening mechanism but yeah come come to me properly single that's what I want I want your undivided romantic and sexual attention immediately and look I'll give

Brian Atlasyou a little leeway if you went on a date with a guy but still preferably I'm like I'm still even kind of like hesitating on that so come to me properly single and uh yeah so and if

Brian Atlasyou so for example like you say would I date a fan yeah if you're going to if you seen my show and you like me and you like what I have to say then uh

Brian Atlasdefinitely I'm I'm all about it because I going to get a lot of DMS tonight well no I mean I'm not I'm not I'm not trying

TTS Readerto solicit that donated $100 long fan here I think Terry's an important issue about promis security that hasn't been discussed because we

Brian Atlasdon't have the vocabulary for it would it be possible to chat about it donkey long time I think there's an important issue about prom that hasn't

Brian Atlasbeen discussed don't have the vocabulary is the vocabulary donkey schlong um it's sounds like Donkey Kong thank you bro um Donkey Kong would it be possible to chat about it what's

Brian Atlasthe vocab bro you're going to have to tell us what the vocab is I don't know what to if we did talk we have been talking quite a bit about promis cuy though um but yeah ultimately just comes

Brian Atlasdown to um someone displaying a immediate like high level of interest because yeah I just don't want to deal with a fitter I've been on both sides and once you've

Brian Atlaslike dated somebody who's like really into you it's really hard to go back to the person that's kind of like ignoring your text and they're probably dating other people and it's just like nah like give me the girl who just likes me I

Brian Atlaslike her and that's kind of we don't need to play some like back and forth game so uh but you disagreed you you want to date multiple people at the same time it sounds like yeah I think it's great to have a roster and then also you

Lily Phillipsdon't like you don't get your feelings hurt and it it's just nice as it's not that hard to date one person at a time but then like you know someone drops off you put another one on to be fair I I mean I haven't dated anyone in so long

Brian Atlasbut like when I did used to date I would have a roster and then like what what was the most you've ever had on your roster oh of course no only like three or four and these were all men you were like sleeping with at the same time yeah

Brian Atlassleeping with going on dates with and stuff like that I mean I'm just going to be super up front like that's disgusting no offense I'm not trying to like say that to be rude but like it's the

Brian Atlasthought of being intimate with a woman who's like just had sex with another guy is repulsive I wouldn't have like come straight from obviously that's nice I

Lily Phillipswould have showered a little bit before maybe like wash it out a littleit you use condoms or no yeah that's no she wouldn't use yeah to me it's just like but it's it's different cuz like these

Lily Phillipsguys I would be dating they'd be doing the exact same yeah it's so like that's disgusting and you don't want to be caught up like oh my gosh I really like

Brian Atlasthis guy like you put all your eggs in one basket you're not really liking them and then there like dating a whole lot of that so but okay so what's the alternative just like okay I'm just going to a bunch of dudes and just

Brian Atlasbe dating a bunch of people at the same time like I I realize I I I acknowledge that if you do the like dating one person at a time

TTS Readerlike if that person breaks your heart like it's going to hurt a lot more than like oh well I've got three other girls I can fall back or I got three other guys I get that but I think Den went

TTS Readerfrom to one F the worst part is the man wouldn't know any different no but like I'm dating people who who are sleeping around well they're doing the same thing yeah so it's it's

Brian Atlasnot like I I am doing them anyway yeah I think well I think men should stop doing it and I think women should stop doing it but then yeah that's just agree to disagree what do you mean agree to

Lily Phillipsdisagree well that's just like your view cuz you date girls who who would you know be with you and I would if I'm doing this i' only date guys that are doing the same and like obviously these

Lily Phillipsare only on like the first few two or three dates if I actually start to really like one why would I spend time with other men you know so wait is your argument is

Brian Atlasyour position well I'm trying to protect myself from getting hurt so my solution to the potentiality of getting hurt where I like give all of my attention to

Brian Atlasone guy is to just a bunch of men at the same time as like a coping mechanism for potential coping mechanism it's just protecting your feelings that's cope your it's your

Brian Atlasyour method for coping with well then I guess yeah yeah okay so then you don't end up like look I mean I get I I totally acknowledge that's how a lot of people in the dating Marketplace are moving both men and women they're dating

Brian Atlasmultiple people sleeping with multiple people I mean I think it's risky for your health but I also just I not necessar all them but it's good to have

Brian Atlascomparison as well like here's here comparison you mean when it comes to sex let me H when it comes to dates like if you here I'll hammer the point I'm going to hammer the point home even if

Brian Atlaslike if the most beautiful woman in the world wanted to just instantly have sex with me but I knew she just had sex with another guy I don't care how hot her

Brian Atlasbody is I don't care how hot she is it's a no I don't even if you are engaged if you're having sex with other donated I don't care how hot you are it's dit and

TTS Readerfind a real Mano D SDS must not matter to you how are you going to explain this when you get to the wall do better Kings and stay true to the

Brian Atlasmission what's the wall the wall the wall the wall what's it what's the saying the wall never I don't know what is the wall well I mean if you were sleeping

Emanuelwith these guys and you said you're only going to date other performers or only marry another performers yeah yeah what was well no I as long as someone's like happy they know we looked up a stat and

Beccawe found it what was it uh 3 years after porn star gets married oh there's a 25% likelihood that a porn star will have a marriage that

Lily Phillipslasts 3 years yeah I I think a lot of porn stars come from trauma and come from broken families and so they don't believe in marriage but personally my my

Emanuelcase I do and yeah and so that's but should we encourage them to keep going down that path or help heal that pain and Trauma with love honor respect dignity and help these women in whatever that we need because some of these women are out there for money some are out for

Lily Phillipsfame some are out for all types of thing and these serious abuse as children is very difficult no I agree a lot of women who are in porn need therapy like they are folks like obviously I talked to a lot of my colleagues and like the

Lily Phillipsstories that they've been through is awful and very traumatic and yeah just a lot of people in the industry are like that um but a lot of people in the industry are happily married and have

Hazelsuccessful relationships as well and do it cuz they like the lifestyle they like they like sex they like partying they like there's always outliers it's a it's a much lesser percentage there is a stat

Beccathat shows open marriages so people are sleeping with people they're not married to the divorce rate is 92% 92 yeah 92%

Atlantisso it's not a normal thing but I mean yes it's much it's much much lower I have a question for you o girls

Atlantisum does it ever get Tire tiring like physically like for so much work dud after a day like if I especially if it's like an actual like Pawn set mhm after

Hazelthe day I'm exhausted I feel like I've run a marathon the other day I was in Vegas and I filmed so much um I I my friend I'm like oh my God like

Lily PhillipsI think I pulled my like I had worked so painful and I was just like walking a little funny yeah oh definitely like especially cuz all the guys in porn are huge and so like you

Lily Phillipscan especially if you're working day after day after day M it's not easy at all it can be really sore down there of course um but yeah so it can be like you know yeah yeah definitely and when you

Lily Phillipsgo to like a day when you're like really sore and you go to work and you're like okay just take it really slow to start off because it's it hurts do you ever find it like mentally exhausting or do you think more just like physically

Lily Phillipsexhausting definitely yeah mentally as well cuz like you're having to kind of act most of the time um a little bit

Lily Phillipsof both mostly physically for me yeah and also like if if you're doing the like social media side of things like with all lot that takes a lot and like the hate you get and everything like

Lily Phillipsbehind that the social stigmas and just like everything that comes with it is really mentally exhausting it could be hard as spoke cuz like people will literally like I'm sure you guys get a

Hazeldmu oh kill yourself like you're a way to space like you need to die basically and yeah I just I tend to ignore those I try not to read the comments I'll only read like the ones that I'll like just

Hazelskim through them I'll only read the ones that I that I want like from the people that I talk to CU there is a lot of hate there's a lot of hate oh yeah

Brian Atlaswhat wait did you were you involved with Jason love yeah the guy who was who big

Lily Phillipsblack oh God girl this girl um been like PE to my Twitter and then come

Brian Atlasback no there was a super chat that came in about he Jason love was with Adam 22's wife yeah L who we've had we've had

Lily Phillipson the show um but so you ALS you were with him too yeah good times good times yeah he's he's actually really sweet he's very gentle you know what for such a big guy he's very gentle speaking and

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