Brian REJECTS Her LIVE?! 200+ Body Count?! Valentine's Day SCAM?! | Dating Talk #135

Date: 2024-02-14

Duration: 6h 37m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLily Phillips >

AAndrea (DT135)>

HHazel (DT135)>

JJade (DT135-LV)>

NNatalie Winters >

AAtlantis (DT135)>

BBecca (Team Vulnerable)>

EEmanuel (Team Vulnerable)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Emanuel(guest)

SPEAKER_02Jade(guest)

SPEAKER_03Atlantis(guest)

SPEAKER_04Becca(guest)

SPEAKER_05TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Hazel(guest)

SPEAKER_10Natalie Winters(guest)

SPEAKER_11Andrea(guest)

SPEAKER_12Lily Phillips(guest)

Key Moments

IntroLily Phillips self-introduction as "online slag / porn star"

“hello my name is Lillian Phillips I'm 22 I'm from Darbyshire England and I am an online slag otherwise known as porn star or only fans ho whatever you want to call it”

ControversyBrian explicitly rejects Lily live on show: would not date her due to porn career and body count

“even if I was inclined to do that I wouldn't even want to have casual sex with a woman who's promiscuous or who's done porn or who has a high body count cuz those things are pretty much deal breakers for me”

OtherLily reveals she had a labiaplasty ~2 years prior for cosmetic reasons; went clubbing the night of surgery

“I actually went out like clubbing the night I got it done cuz they got me on... I did have sex like a week after I had it done and the stitches came out”

QuoteBrian states he has not performed oral sex on a woman since the "Bush Administration" (~2007-2008)

“I haven't gone down on a girl since the Bush Administration”

ControversyLily discloses 200+ body count and provides breakdown: ~150-200+ civilian, ~50 scenes

“definitely triple digits I couldn't tell you what it is... probably not more than 200... in the hundreds... about 50 [scenes]”

ControversyLily describes hot tub incident on family ski holiday involving approximately 10 men

“there was a hot tub and there was also a sauna... having sex with a couple of them... two [intercourse]... four or five [other acts]”

Key MomentBecca reveals husband had erectile dysfunction on their wedding night due to porn addiction

“your husband literally can't get it up for you... he's struggling with this so much that he's having Ed and can't get it up for me”

ControversyJade reveals ex-partner was secretly addicted to gay porn; discovered via Wi-Fi router history; he used her credit card for OnlyFans; had filed a marriage license but never married

“I went through the Wi-Fi router... he was actually severely addicted to porn even got to the point where he was using my own credit cards to buy only fans”

Key MomentBecca gives testimony: lost God in college, believed she was only good for sex, found redemption; encouraged Lily that she is not "too far gone"

“I had you know I grew up Christian completely turned away from God when I was in college and I started believing certain things about myself that I was an object... you rated yourself a six and that's ridiculous you are so so beautiful”

QuoteBrian explains "dating creep" concept: once a woman dates a high-value man it's hard to go back

“once you start dating a certain caliber of man you start like having dating creep... it's like hard to like date the normal average guy once you've had a taste of like a certain tier of man”

QuoteNatalie Winters states OnlyFans and porn are part of a broader agenda to destroy Western civilization

“there are corporations that want you to be sitting there and saying that because they want you to buy into this narrative because they are intent on the destruction of Western civilization”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and relationship statuses

Guests introduce themselves; discuss current relationship statuses, situationships, and OnlyFans business model.

OnlyFans debate: empowerment vs. societal harm

Extended debate between OnlyFans creators and Natalie Winters/Manny/Becca on whether OnlyFans normalizes objectification, harms relationships, contributes to declining birth rates and Western civilization.

Porn addiction and Team Vulnerable nonprofit

Manny and Becca discuss Team Vulnerable; Manny's 15-year porn addiction, ED on wedding night, recovery. Programs for couples, singles, and parents.

Valentine's Day commercialization

Discussion of Valentine's Day spending (men ~$190 vs women ~$96 average), gift preferences, whether it is a scam.

Foodie calls and women using men for free meals

Study cited: ~33% of women have gone on dates purely for free food. New York Post story of woman who got groceries free for 2 years via dates.

Marriage pros/cons and prenuptial agreements

Brian explains why marriage is a bad deal for high-earning men: community property, alimony, legal costs. Debate on religious vs civil marriage.

Violence/BDSM in porn and 50 Shades of Grey

Discussion of aggression in mainstream porn (88% statistic), choking trend post-50 Shades of Grey, impact on real-world relationship expectations.

Dating apps and modern dating challenges

Women claim men who use dating apps aren't real men. Roleplay experiment: women pretend to be men hitting on Madison. Discussion of Tinder match disparity.

Tinder bizarre date story (Andrea)

Andrea shares story of a wealthy bisexual man from Tinder who wanted to pay for plastic surgeries and customize women like "Barbie dolls"; had paid for transgender partner's surgery.

Brian's Hearthstone/World of Warcraft tangent

Brian goes on extended tangent about quitting World of Warcraft in April 2020, his Hearthstone rank (rank 33 world, Warlock 1623 wins), why video games are addictive.

Body count discussion and hypocrisy debate

Lily reveals 200+ body count. Round-table body counts disclosed. Debate on whether men with high body counts are hypocrites for wanting low-body-count partners.

Lily's personal life stories

Lily shares: university sex life, hot tub incident (~10 men, family ski holiday), sex party, 4 encounters in one day, thoughts on body count mattering.

Jade's ex-partner porn addiction discovery

Jade reveals 2-year quasi-engagement ended when she found ex watching gay porn via Wi-Fi router history; he had been using her credit card for OnlyFans.

Self-ratings (1-10 looks)

Guests rate their own physical attractiveness. Hazel claims 10. Brian rates himself a 5. Debate on realistic self-assessment and hypergamy.

Hypergamy and dating marketplace dynamics

Brian's extended analysis: average women chasing above-average men; lifestyle creep in dating; men get front-end rejection, women get back-end rejection.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaskind of almost interrogating you there don't it was leading it was leading to some no it was it was leading to a point it was you know in your notes Here you say that the internet makes people think

Brian Atlaspeople care way more about body count than they actually do and that's kind of where it was leading so it sounds like you don't really think body cow matters or it shouldn't matter is that correct

Lily Phillipsyes I just think like you know these extremist podcasts sometimes is this an ex no no more like fres and fit and things like that come up on like your for you page and it's like I want not

Lily Phillipsdate a girl who's got a body count over four like you are a hoe like you're a you may as well kill yourself cuz no man will ever want you and I oh I that's not something I

Lily Phillipsadvocate for but and I just I just want to say like that is not true and I think in a real relationship like people don't care that much as long as you're not I mean as long as you're not a like

Brian Atlasme as long as like but like if you're like a little bit of a slur then like people don't care as much as uh well okay so I mean I'll open up to the whole panel we'll go around the

Brian Atlastable do you object to men caring about a woman's body count starting with you wait does object mean I'm so disagree do

Andreayou yes so I disagree with M car do I disagree with men caring about a woman's body count mhm um do you object to it no I don't I think

Jadeeverybody's entitled to their own opinion okay sure to each his own no I don't care in fact I think it matters if they didn't care I think that would be a red flag

Brian Atlasokay can you sco your mic that way just a bit what was the question again do you object to men caring about a woman's body count um

AtlantisI'm not sure how to answer this um can you elaborate like okay so men t a lot of men not all men but a lot of

Brian Atlasmen prefer women who have a low body count or who are not promiscuous and so for example if a woman has slept with seven men some might or 10 men or whatever it might be

Brian Atlassome men might think that's a lot and object to it and not want to date her or take her seriously in a long-term relationship would you object to that I think Everyone's entitled to their

Emanueldifferent sure Becca what about you no okay anything I think it would be uh it would be tough but I would look at their heart and see if they are saying you know what hey we've all made

Emanuelmistakes in the past we've all sinned we've all gone against God but I want to better myself and U okay move in a New Direction got it well so it seems like almost everybody here includ including a

Brian Atlaslot of the women disagree with you on this do you think that perhaps your view on this is because you've had your promiscuity or perhaps you're still our promisc I think I'm probably talking

Lily Phillipsabout like my optimal guy if I was with a guy and they were asking and caring about body count then that's not for me yeah obviously I would disagree if a man

Hazelhas 100 body like a body kind of 100 then it's a different story you wouldn't be able to tell me like oh yeah I care about your body count when you could

Brian Atlasactually you could I'll make the argument in the SEC here but um so here's okay we're going we're going to go around the table on this what's your body count starting

Lily Phillipswith you go ahead uh yeah it's definitely triple digits I couldn't tell you what it is do you think it's more than

Lily Phillips200 I would like to think probably not probably not yeah okay but like I like I said I don't care so I don't count and like it that number is quite High I can't count that high you

Brian Atlasknow I mean like that's a part-time job keeping track of that so okay do you think that I mean do you think there's a percentage breakdown between like the men you've sleep slept with for work and

Brian Atlasthen the civilians you've slept with I've probably slept with a lot more like civilians more civilians than for work okay what how many do you think but you said didn't you say you've done over 100

Lily Phillipsscenes with oh no I've not done I've probably done like like how many men do you think you've done scenes with 20 30 40 50 60 70 I don't know

Brian Atlasquite a few now well range give us a range I can't like I'd say like more more than 50 no probably about 50 about 50 okay

Brian Atlasand then what about like civilians how many there yeah in the hundreds in the M but are you

Lily Phillipssaying I'm going to guess if you 250 I'm going to between 150 150 no probably a

Lily Phillipsbit more than that yeah a bit more and then 220 150 so like okay all right yeah okay it's quite hard to like know I

Lily Phillipsdon't I don't count so it's hard to know like are you counting women women and men yes I count women cuzz like I I date girls like I like girls so like I class that as sex

Brian Atlasyeah but I know a lot of people are I don't count guys but that's just that's cuz they don't do uh you said you want a

Brian Atlashusband one day right yeah you want kids uh no no kid oh no kids okay uh do you do you think that do you at least admit

Brian Atlasor concede that the fact that you've been engaged in adult content and you know you're admitted past and current promiscuity do you at least admit that for the vast majority of men it's not

Lily Phillipsoptimal that's going to be a major issue for long-term commitment yeah no I understand that and I you know I know what my actions like result in I get that but then again like I'm I don't

Lily Phillipswant to date someone who's you know not wanting to enjoy other people with me and stuff like that all right well I mean seems like at least you're kind of aware of

Andreayeah I'm a souw there you have it uh oh going around the table body count all right with like men and women included like 20 what's the

Andreabreakdown uh I've had sex with like seven women mhm so yeah then the rest are guys and I'm 25 so you know just okay a little bit every now and then you know it adds up so sure miss 5,000

Hazelboyfriends what about you um women and men I would say about

Hazel35 what's the breakdown uh six male and the rest female oh okay period okay can I pass is that okay no I mean if uh

Brian Atlaswe're not going to force out you yeah we're not going to force you if if you don't want to engage that's fine with I will politely decline to answer that's fine it's one

Beccaokay it's nine but I do want to just say something about it I had you know I grew up Christian completely turned away from

BeccaGod when I was in college and I started believing certain things about myself that I was an object that no one was going to love me that I was only good

Beccafor um you know fulfilling someone's sexual desires and I really started to believe that so I'm so grateful that I had people in my life who um affirmed

Beccawhat's true is that I I deserve to be um honored and valued and cared for and have a um partner

Beccawho's really there for me and uh it was a big hiccup for Manny to get over that when I told him early on in our relationship but I just want to say to

Beccaall the women out there who are maybe thinking hey I'm too far gone I don't think there's such a thing as too far gone you can always turn it around and have a uh and have a positive

Brian Atlasrelationship with someone if you can turn around from but what about Lily I mean abely absolutely she might be she might be far gone no offense L you're a nice

Beccagirl I agree with you if she might be far gone I thought we were going to do this whole lesson on turning hose into if you have a heart change and and see

Beccaan ER of your ways and let say let's just say you did decide to make a difference and and turn it around and say hey I can I condemn my old actions I Repent of what I was doing and I I want

Beccato help other women I want to help other women get out of this it's like I do believe you could absolutely find a great man a great man who would stand by you absolutely I feel you a I don't

Jadethink you're too far gone but it is a requir she might be too far to change the actions moving forward can I can I ask you a question there is redemption there might be Redemption for is it hard for Manny to get over the fact that you've slept with nine people yes do you

Beccathink that's a little hypocritical considering his past wait no because I I think I think it was hard for him to get over my past just like it was hard for

Beccame to get over his it was a it was a big struggle for a long time when he told me I don't know none of you have gotten married before but you expect you've

Lily Phillipsbeen married have you not I was sorry if you didn't want to speak about it it's okay um I apologize yeah kind of not yeah I

Jadedon't want to talk about it but you go to your wedding night she just outed me no I'm so sorry I was like I should I'm sure he's going to ask about it CU

Beccait was in the notes that I listed in there so I might tap tap in a little bit but keep keep going Becca go ahead but you go to your wedding night and your

Beccahusband literally can't get it up for you do you know how that feels yeah cry that must be really hard do you know how that feels to go this is my day I I'm

Beccalike all DED up this is our day and he's struggling with this so much that he's having Ed and can't get it up for me so no it was not easy it was not an easy

Beccafew years and we swept it under the rug for years because I didn't want this to be my reality I didn't want to you know for this to be my story I

Beccadidn't grow up thinking oh I'm going to start a nonprofit to help people overcome porn addictions absolutely not I felt called by God um in that moment

Beccawhen he said I need help with this it's like this sucks for me and I'm dealing with a lot of um how it makes me feel but I want to be there to help

Beccaother people get through this because I know it's tearing a lot of people apart so it was hard for him just like it was hard for me with dealing with his stuff so it goes both ways you know nobody's

Unknownnobody's a perfect person and you have to you're going to make me cry a hug at least that way you get it's like definitely like a difficult situation to go through but

Jadeit's good that you guys know that you're not alone and that you guys I know she said I know she brought up the fact that I was married okay so let's just say I was I was actually in a pretty serious

Jaderelationship filed marriage license and everything like that kind of got married kind of didn't just it was it was really weird I just don't really want to touch on the how serious we were but um uh it

Jadewas a relationship that I was in for 2 years and not once did we have sex throughout that whole whole time because he that's a friendship Jesus it was were you waiting were you

Beccawaiting so throughout those two years not once did we have sex and you were going to marry him it's people do that

BeccaI Manny and I did not have sex before we got married we had we had had sex with other people but we were then foll God we waited to have sex with each other

Jadenot had sex so I just want to clarify that I wouldn't be I was openly like I mean I was committed to him and this was someone that I thought I was married marrying so I was like yeah you know

Jadewhat let's try it not like probably twice out of our whole relationship did we ever do anything and I thought it was I thought it was a mental uh not a mental condition but a medical condition

Jadelike hey like what's going on and I thought it was me I thought it was everything else and it wasn't until it was in November of last year I was

Jadeactually I was like okay no something's up because I would talk to my friends about it and they were tripping in my ear and they were like Jade no something's like something's wrong and so I went through the Wi-Fi router because I was using all the bills I went

Jadethrough the Wi-Fi router I went through my phone and he was actually severely addicted to porn even got to the point where he was using my own credit cards to buy only

Jadefans and I was like oh that's so cute wait is this's TI wait no no no no no this one I was more mature I just got my stuff and walked out of the relationship

Jadewhat age were you so this was last November so to recently okay this was on Thanksgiving by the way wow yeah it's super fun

Jadesuper dope um I if I found out earlier in the relationship I would be 10 times more open to actually genuinely working it out I mean I love you

JadeI'm I want to marry you under God 100% let me sit down next to you and help you I would however he saw me so many times sit next to him and be like please please like

Jadesomething's going on I don't feel like there's I'm missing something please help me like come on let's fix it and he would lie to my face straight up he'd be like I don't know what's wrong with me I I don't know what's going on um I need

Jadeto go make a doctor's appointment and I went and I set the doctor's appointment for him and he would go in and he would not he would like Miss the doctor's appointments and then I would get a call on the phone saying like hey insurance

Unknownis being like hey you need to you need to pay the no show fee and I'm like why are you he knew what was wrong with him the whole time he knew I feel like that's also just like a very very hard thing to disclose to anyone no matter

Unknownhow close you are because I mean any addiction like it doesn't even have to be porn addiction addiction is like a very embarrassing it's an embarrassing like it's very shameful that's why people don't really talk about it and

Beccastuff so know it like kind of makes sense why people don't disclose that but yeah at the same time but that's what's

Beccaso hurtful is the is the not being told about it I think that's a lot of women that it feels like there's a side of this person that you've never seen you

Jadeknow what I'm saying and now looking back on it I mean I know I jumped into another relationship or talking stage or whatever the hell I'm in so quickly however I'm it's not necessarily that I

Jademiss him because the whole time I wasn't getting my needs met whether it was sexually emotionally physically whatever I wasn't getting my needs met it's more of like I'm grieving like a like a friendship but the friendship was like

Brian Atlasfake built on lies and so I was up you said that you were dating a guy was it for two years and you didn't have sex ever we had sex like twice towards

Jadethe beginning towards the beginning and then just stopped then stopped yes and then you discovered he was just watching a bunch of gay porn was it porn gay porn straight porn everything oh everything

Brian Atlasyou didn't reveal that it was gay porn he was watching cuz that's in the notes I think yes it is iing how did you know he was watching you you hacked his computer I I hacked our Wi-Fi router

Jadedamn that's you can see the history on the Wi-Fi router things yes you can see the history on your bills you can see the history on everything was he subscribing to a gay mail on on no so he was not sub what if it was like one

Brian Atlasaccidental click he accidentally clicked on some gay porn no CU it'll show you on router how long he was on the specific link and he would watch more and it would be like 30 minutes and be like no sh you don't want to sleep next

Brian Atlasmean like like I mean he might have been gay you guys had sex twice I know you dated him for how long two years that's kind no offense that's kind of on you I'm baffled that's kind of not

Jadeto be insensitive or whatever that's kind of on you like like him everybody stayed with him everybody says that everybody says that it's a friendship like

Jadesurely my one of my friend it went through the same thing I have no idea what is about my brain but when I get in into a specific relationship or commitment or like we go on the first date I will run it until the wheels fall

Jadeoff doesn't necessarily mean that the first date I'm in love with you that's not what it means it's just am I'm committed immediately let's get a couple chats and we'll come back to that story though I I do want to come back to that

Brian Atlaswe have Marcus David 1794 hey thank you man appreciate it this is our first time seeing you in the uh chat thank you for your patronage man appreciate it I'm surprised by the straightforwardness and

Brian Atlasthe easiness she states these facts just wow I believe this is directed TOS I certainly give you credit for your uh as as I already stated your willingness to just be open about this stuff brion's

TTS Readerflannel donated $100 there is a 0% chance you got that information from the Wi-Fi router unless

TTS Readeryou became an DNS your Wi-Fi rout doesn't store DNS data straight cap isn't there something though if you have

Brian Atlasaccess like you know somebody's somebody's uh uh if it's your Wi-Fi and if it's your Wi-Fi can't you intercept what the internet traffic is yes you can

Brian Atlasoh no I'm not an expert I did it and if you want the screenshot I got you y brixton's flannel I will should I do something to put on the flannel right now I don't know you got to let's see the flannel you're like edging me with

Brian Atlasthis flannel brickson flannel send another chat you can pick the color I got blue I have black I've got red I have another red and I got like a green let me know which one you want to see I'll put it on I'll put it on for the

Brian Atlasrest of the show thank you appri for Valentine's Day well I'll leave it up to him maybe he's uh he likes the blue he thinks it brings out the color of my eyes you never know it seems like he has

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Brian Atlasguys provided I think we did everything uh we got everything from uh oh really quick I think you said on the body count thing like oh guy who has a high body count it's hypocritical if he wants a

Brian Atlasgirl with a low body count I disagree and I disagree now I don't think it's good for anybody to H be promiscuous or have a high body count right I I don't think it's good for men I don't think

Brian Atlasit's good for women however if a man has acrw a higher body count let's say I think it's totally fine if he recognizes that the optimum dating choice would be

Brian Atlasto date someone who has a low body count or who's a virgin I don't object to that at all and it doesn't make him hypocritical because for

Brian Atlasexample need you desire a trait in order to desire said trait in your

Brian Atlaspartner what do you mean what was the question again hold on let I got you um so in order for you to

Brian Atlasdesire a trait in a partner do you need to uh excuse me do you need to also possess said trait I feel

Hazellike I desire similar things to my previous Partners or I have the

Hazeltraits like like you know like like not opposites ATT track like you know what I mean I don't know how to explain it but here's what occurs to me right is

Brian Atlasthat women desire traits in men that they don't possess themselves so I don't think now it would be hypocritical for example if a guy said I think promis

Brian Atlaspromiscuity is disgusting but then they are promiscuous themselves or if they were outwardly judgmental of a promiscuous woman but they themselves engaged in promiscuity but if a man for

Brian Atlasexample he had slept with he's in he's in his he's 30 and he slept with 40 women again I don't not recommending you do that but let's say he did I don't

Brian Atlasobject to him saying well um I would like to date a woman who's a virgin or who's slept with less than five people but why would he want that because he

Brian Atlasrealizes that's going to be an optimal partner for him so despite his lack the lack of his own low body count I don't it doesn't make him a

Brian Atlashypocrite it would be a hypocrite if he says if he was his actions were for example well I'm negatively judging your behavior but I engage in said Behavior

Hazelbut Desiring a trade in a partner that you do not for example having a low body count I I get what you're saying but a lot of these men that have a high body count and want a a women with a low body

Hazelcount um don't recognize that they shouldn't have a l a high body count they're they're still promiscuous they're still cheating they're still around they're still doing all these things that they shouldn't be doing well we can also approach this

Brian Atlasfrom another angle so there's a biological and uh evoy reason for why men find uh non promiscuity and women attractive and desirable um that doesn't

Brian Atlasexist in women but uh so I would argue even a guy who's actively promiscuous he may very well still find uh sexually Pure or low body count women that

Hazelattractive are you sexually yeah they they want them at home in the kitchen fixing up sandwiches while they're out with these other promiscuous women and cheating with other promiscuous again I'm not making the case that men should

Brian Atlasbe promiscuous but for example if a man had had a body count of 20 for example I don't object to him wanting to date a woman with a low body count yeah of

Brian Atlascourse body count under 10 or low body count under five she could he could want a virgin if he that's totally fine that's totally fine that's I feel like it's hypocritical it's not no it's not

Brian Atlashypocritical let me ask you question let me ask you questionis let me ask you a question though let me ask you a clarifying question do you think it's hypocritical for a woman who's not funny

Brian Atlasto desire a man who's funny yes cuz then she can become funny but how many but I I would argue that you ask you ask most women most women

Brian Atlaswill say I find men who are can make me laugh attractive I find that attractive but what if they lack hold on hold on what if they lack the capacity to be humorous or to make their partner laugh

Brian Atlasare they wrong are the Hypocrites for finding humor attractive in a partner and I would say no morals and humor are two completely different things though honestly I feel like it is I'm not even

Brian Atlaslooking at going to get his humor if they're two different people like they're not going to be compatible oh I disagree I disagree I I don't think that's necessarily true a woman need not

Brian Atlasbe funny to desire a man who's humorous or funny and I don't think that now she should she perhaps ought to have a sense of humor that's something different

Brian Atlasthough because you can have a sense of humor that's your ability to perhaps detect humor doesn't mean you're going to be funny but you might certainly uh recognize humor in somebody else what I

Brian Atlascan give you other examples uh a woman wants a man who's charismatic but maybe she's not charismatic herself she wants a man who's chalous but she she's not shis herself she wants a man who's tall

Brian Atlasbut she's not tall she wants a man who's traditional but she's not traditional she wants a man who's dominant but she's not dominant what you're what you're stating though are physical attributes

Jadefor example tall being funny no yeah being you're either born funny or you're born not funny well that's arguable but however having depending on the people that you sleep with or for example what

Jadewas the other thing you said you said sleep with anyways sleeping with someone sleeping with someone is a choice a choice that you make that can reflect back on your

Jadereflect back onto your morals it's not oh my gosh he's tall I'm short I want a tall guy it's it's different reflecting on morals it's the way you think the way you talk the way you act the way you

Jademake your choices it's not oh this person's tall but I'm short I want that person that's a physical type I feel like a body count is more of a mental type that's how you connect with someone

Jadeand you can't connect with someone if you don't have the same values or the same morals personally if I suppose if you're looking at it through the lens of this moral framework I'm simply looking

TTS Readerat it C has donated $100 it is hypocritical because their actions are directly contributing to the lack of other men being able to achieve the same thing well I mean that's

Brian Atlasanother conversation so you have you have men who say well high body or women with a high body count is bad uh or having a high body count is bad but if

Andreathey're engaging in casual sex with women adding to their high body count that but that's another conversation um that's you have a point when you were saying that though and like okay well if he's around with other girls and

Andreastuff and then it's like oh but you have to have a low body count but I'm going to still have sex with other women like that's their actions you know but it's like okay well I've had you know a big body count you know I've been with a lot of women but I'm not anymore and you

Andreaknow and you know it's if you have a low body count then that's what I want you know and at the end of the day it's his opinion and you know I just I feel like it's just I'm just well there there's a couple levels to it so around

Brian Atlaswe're having if we're having a conversation about hypocrisy again I don't think it's hypocritical for a man to if he has a high body

Brian Atlascount 20 30 40 to it's not hypocritical to desire woman with a low body count then the other conversation is well um it's hypocritical if you're saying that but then you're still around

Brian Atlaswith other women and you expect her to not you know do the other conversation putting hypocrisy to the side is well should a man uh is he wrong for

Brian AtlasDesiring a partner with a low body count or a woman who's a virgin if he himself has had 10 2030 sexual partners no I I don't think so I don't think think the answer you know a lot of people would

Brian Atlaswould object to that and say well if as a man if you've slept with 30 women you have no business dating a woman who's a virgin and again I I object to that because and you're saying like you're looking at it from a moral framework but

Brian AtlasI'm looking at it from a much more simplistic way and that is people are allowed to desire traits in a partner that they themselves do not possess and women do this frequently where they want a man who's rich but they're not rich

Jadethey want a professional athlete but they're not a professional athlete they want a man who's High status but they have no status I'm just going to say as someone with with the lower body count I would

Brian Atlasnever consider someone who oh that's totally fine if if a woman on from her end moral different that's totally fine don't object to that at all if a woman doesn't want to date a guy because of

Brian Atlashis past promiscuity or he has a body that's totally acceptable MH but I'm just I don't think it's as important to women and I certainly don't object

Brian Atlasto the the only way I would concede that we should object to Men Who perhaps have a high body count Desiring women with low body counts is if we start objecting

Brian Atlasto poor uh poor women wanting rich men and unfunny women wanting fun like the you're allowed to desire both men and women are allowed to desire traits in a partner that they themselves do not

Natalie Winterspossess that's that's the whole basis of my argument I also think the asymmetry and wanting body counts just from the fact that there's differences in male and female sexuality and I think that that's one of the biggest lies whether

Natalie Wintersyou want to call it feminism or just like modern gender rle cultur which is the idea that men and women are the same it's like the 50 Shades of Gray culture in the sense that women I think that that's a very like masculine interpretation of sexuality and women

Natalie Wintersare pushed to that because we say men and women are more or less the same so that's why I think when you see that asymmetry that it's more normal for guys to want women with lower body counts because I think the way women attach to

Natalie Wintersguys when they sleep with them is very very different than men can sleep with a bunch of women and not really have any emotional attachment to them I agree with you however it comes down to when people started thinking like that what

Jadewent up the divorce rates before that what were men when they were getting married they were virgin I fromal specificity on the time frame of That 70s and up 60s and up the

Natalie Wintersrise of what you said earlier was the feminist movement and things like that birth control moralization I'm just saying birth control I think was the main impetus that made female sexuality

Natalie Wintersmore similar to male sexuality because you didn't have to worry really about getting pregnant and I no disrespect to what you guys do but if the pill hadn't been invented you guys probably wouldn't

TTS Readerhave a job or you'd have a lot of kids um donated $100 not enough characters to explain how the Aussie model work model but DNS

TTS Readeris external to the Wi-Fi network and I doubt she's got the tech skills to reverse an IP address she's a burs love the hoodie yeah thank you man I don't know maybe she's like some hardcore

Brian Atlashacker Anonymous type and she's you know hacking oh we got girls when when they when they want s nothing like a

TTS ReaderSC grid One Motorsports donated $100 Chastity has never been a factor in a man's value it has always been a factor in a woman's value men and women

Jadeare not the same a man's high body count is not a predictor for cheating or divorce I I think that's where people are getting me confused and I'm sorry if it came off this way not necessarily value men don't have to have chassity

Jadefor Value I think it's for a women a girl who also is a virgin I think it is more they're more compatible if they both have the chassity not necessarily

Jadelike oh it's it's it's a it it doesn't matter I don't look at a guy and I'm like oh okay he has 50 bodies that's disgusting no I don't judge him for that however if he comes to me and tells me I have 50 bodies I'm going to be like okay

Brian Atlaswe're a little bit less compatible than I thought we were previously good times he knows what he's doing good times let me get a couple chats here we have Nickelodeon angsty

Brian Atlaschick how many Evan Evans Evan oh my God evence evanesence song lyrics do you have memorized I feel like you might enjoy pain a what the why do chicks

Jadeobsess over these kind of men who's he talking about who's the Moody angsty the Angy girl probably me is that you it has to be I mean I'm the only one with black

Jadehair long black hair and My Chemical Romance maybe actually a lot I love rock music so oh okay I'm going to do you have any event no I like more de tones

Brian Atlaswhich a de tones kind of kind yeah thank you Nickelodeon appreciate it got Marcus David hey thank you man all of these women including the fallacy of religion

Brian Atlasshe's still what still a okay already know their value and most importantly their depreciation they desire things they don't deserve or

Emanuelpossess he's just an incel you tell him Mannie you tell him I think that's very extreme that's what porn teaches is their objects they're not worth anything they're just for play and then you throw

Emanuelthem out and it's just terrible and I just wanted to say she's not God God can redeem any situation I didn't get to go on the body count thing and I just wanted to go for a sec but you know the Lord can redeem any situ when I was in

Emanuelmy early 20s you know I was thinking of the self- delete option and um had one moment of strength and courage went back home my dad saw me he he showed me love

Emanueland kept going and um eventually got that degree met Becca um you know we we made a lot of money we traveled all around the world you know we've made beautiful children and um now we get to

Emanuelstart this organization it's a beautiful thing and I think to answer the body count question straightforward you know I was of the legalist mindset of I want to please God so I can just go as close as I can to

Emanuelthis line as I can so I said I'm not having sex I'm just going to make out with girls just going to make out with girls and I start watching more and more porn and then it's well they're having fun so I should have fun too so on the second girl that I have sex with uh I

Emanuelhave a rash downstairs and all of a sudden I'm in Planned Parenthood and I'm sitting there and I'm sitting with these old men who got all types of things going on and and these pregnant teenage mother and it's the saddest place you

Emanuelknow you ever go and I just prayed to God and I said God um if you can heal this take anything you want and I went back there drop the pants they check it and they go you have molescum and I'm like what's that they're like well it's

Emanuela skin rash I'm like okay like what how long do I have to live and they go they go um no it's just it's just a skin rash like it it's fine like we just put some cream on it's okay and I oh my goodness that's amazing but here's what else was

Emanuelamazing the Lord did answer the prayer because he goes the thing about it is you can't touch anybody uh for like 6 months and you can't shave your body and I worked at a restaurant where I had to be clean shaving so in that moment I lost my job I lost my ability to be with women I lost my abity

Emanuelto play basketball and work out and all of these things and then I'm like driving home like at least I still got my house I walk in the front door my roommates brother's in there he's like dude what's up we're having a party come on in I'm like what are we celebrating he's like we're moving in you're moving

Emanuelout and his dad was the landlord kicked us out so in all that I lose all of those things but what was amazing about it is I said God you know I know you're working in this and um I uh long story

Emanuelshort you know met Becca after that after I started turning my life around and um what a journey Beck and I have been on but the story of the stories of redemption that we've heard and you know

EmanuelI I'm sorry Brian for going on the long monologue real quick one more minute oh no there was a tech thing that I wasn't I wasn't I wasn't sing about your story guys you know this this idea of money being the most important thing in the

Emanuelworld you know we made tons T and tons and tons of money I remember being in Amsterdam getting off stage for my TED Talk and going and get 10 beers three blunts thinking about a fourth going to jerk off and it's like I've won the game

Emanuelof life I have everything that I could ever have and I'm still searching for more and more and more and we think a lot of times God doesn't want us to experience Joy but he does he wants to experience his his way and my way was leading to death and destruction and his

Emanuelway was leading to life and just getting to be here and to share how the Lord has changed our lives how we've been able to make this impact to just share that any story can be redeemed at any time you want to talk you know you could hit us

Emanuelup and say hey I just want to talk about whatever we be there for you and I I say that to anybody you know it's but I I just want to always let you know you can

Andreanever run too far Lord will always be there I love you guys I know you guys like you guys are

Andreaangels this podcast Jesus I know not to be the B am not to be I you

Brian Atlascan I suppose they do you can be uh you can get Redemption right you can get Redemption however however I don't

Brian Atlasthink my question for Manny question for Manny because I think you're a bit more versed in you know when it comes to religion and stuff so certainly like

Brian Atlaswhen it comes to God she can she can redeem Redemption 100% right but do you think like does a guy like let's say a Christian guy is like looking to date a

Brian Atlaswoman like I don't know I think would he would he want to if I I think the guy can

Brian Atlasstill have discretion right with who who he dates and maybe her past despite her Redemption could prude we often think there's good people

Emanuelin the world and bad people in the world the only people need to go to hell Hitler and the other person who I'm not going to say and if you think about itou yeah right St but when we think about that's

Emanuelwhat got Nat in trouble but when we think about it it's like the analogy my dad told me you know we take a good person I'm joking YouTube I'm joking don't cancel me okay sorry continue but I was saying you know we

Emanueloften think there's good people bad people we have this moral relativism and in my belief you know my dad said it best with the analogy of the brownies you know we have a good person the world sees and we have someone like a Hitler

Emanueland it's almost like if I was making brownies and I get the best chocolate best sugar best flour and I'm making them we're all hungry cuz Brian keeps us here for 18 hours and filming this podcast but we're all hungry we're all excited so I'm making them and I go hey

EmanuelI just got one last thing I'm going to add in here and the good person I'm just going to add in a little bit of poop into these brownies and the bad person I'm adding in a lot hold on hold on hold on that's a different fetish now I know

Emanuelso I put the brownies in and I bake them and I bring them out out and we go all right who's ready to eat and everyone goes what is going we're not eating the poop brownies what are you talking about we throw those things out and when we think about I'm a good person I'm a

Emanuelbetter person I I'm I'm better than you I'm better no we are all sinful people we have all gone against God and you can never run too far from his love he will always be there and I just want everyone

Emanuelabsolutely hear that L and and I I'll tell you what you know you're kind of it up sorry but you know the biggest thing is you know the Lord you know when he

Emanuelsent his son on the cross to die for us for our sins you know all he ask we repent of our sins we ask him to be our Lord and savior we commit Our Lives to

TTS ReaderChrist and the Lord Marcos David 1,794 donated $100 you can get Redemption but sin does

TTS Readernot get erased also you girls don't have moral quality to justify your positions also this guy with the colorful shirt is

TTS Readerthe actual inel PD love the hoodie who PD PD the men sound like he's married hello that doesn't even make

TTS Readerokay oh we got another one coming through donated $100 girl in the green shirt that caught her man on the Wi-Fi rout how did you reverse search the IP

Jadeaddresses love to want to know today we need a tutorial yeah she does she's cyber security right can tell us she's a hacker got you guys so in all honesty I wasn't the one who actually did it I hired someone to come over and do it

Jadeokay the truth out the truth has come out not the smart one was it a man it was a man told you it was it was a man the patriarchy strikes again how much did you have to pay it was like literally

Brian Atlasjust 20 bucks I picked him up off of Best Buy hacker he like got off got guy off like Craigslist not even I literally black hat or white hat hacker I don't even know I okay never mind I don't know

Brian Atlaswhere I'm going with that Best Buy yeah I just watched the Best Buy and I was Manny did you want to wrap up your uh I'm sorry that that kind of threw me off where I was so okay maybe if it'll come back we have a chat here from Chris

Brian Atlasblakeman hey thank you man Chris I think this is our your first chat here uh appreciate your patronage make a mashup video of Madison's crazy face reactions and mouthing Brian's words that would be

Brian Atlasfire get Adam Corolla on your new love line he would be down I bet he rubs elbows with the daily wire I would love to have uh Adam Corolla on uh the show I

Brian Atlaswhen I was young he had uh he used to do uh his love line show which was like a radio was was it every night of the week pretty much or couple times a week and

Brian Atlasso that'd be that'd be pretty cool Adam croll is super funny so I'd maybe try to get that set up um okay let me see if we have other chats we do have Stiffler here Stiffler or excuse me the

Brian Atlasstiffmeister americ I love he wants to ask ask everyone to rate

Brian Atlastheir looks on a scale of 1 to 10 oh yeah jesz I almost okay go ahead we'll go around the table starting with you go ahead looks physical looks

Brian Atlasphysical looks like aess six okay what about you 10 out of 10 okay [Laughter]

Lily Phillips69 why do you guys do this why have you guys noticed like throughout the show the girls well like that to like where go their titties my shoulders hurt I mean

Andreamy my ti how cring my ti do not Mo cring with God gave you so you can shake

Brian Atlasdancing that's disgusting I want to go home okay so out of 10 though give us

Brian Atlasthe one out of 10 10 and a half is that how math works okay we just I'm going to say you said 6.5 10 10 I said six tell your mic down please so it's right now maybe like a five but when I

Brian Atlasget ready and I'm actually like ready to go out maybe like a six or something wait so you're saying you you didn't get ready for get ready for the whatever podcast that's kind of rude okay oh you go out for the girls night out but you come to the whatever podcast

Jadelike I was I was planning on putting my tan on I wanted to go get my nails done I had a lip filler appointment books I was ready to go he don't like lip fillers that's that's I girl I love lip

Jadefill uh okay so when [Music] you're so five now and then five now and then when I actually get ready to go out and I want to or not want to but I

Jadeactually try very hard to look good maybe like when you get your Glam on when I get my Glam on it's like a six or a seven okay Natalie like a seven okay what about you like a seven yeah usually

Beccaan eight but being so pregnant I don't feel you are beautiful pregnany is beautiful look at that skin uh Manny what about you scale of 1 to 10 I'm going to say a 78 I'm going to

Brian Atlasthrow the middle 75 your hands you you look a little bit like uh San Murphy have you got oron donated

TTS Reader$100 we're talking looks ladies not triggering the RoR scale what does that mean the RoR scale isn't that a vibrator it's over 9,000 thank you Nickelodeon appreciate

Brian Atlaswhat about you Brian yeah I'll answer I Manny you are a handsome man I you know I'd say uh the the actor though s you guys see it do you see it selan San Murphy I don't know who that is itan

JadeMurphy is it not right he's the

Brian Atlasone a little bit right I see that's all right I rate myself I I I'm currently a five because I've I got a dad bog right now I need to lose a bit of weight I'll

Brian Atlasget back to a six and then if I you get really fit I think I can hit seven if I if I'm like jacked and get a six-pack I can get back there I used to be very fit

Brian Atlasin my younger days unfortunately In and Out Burger I could show you some photos but we'll do we'll do not that decorate

Brian Atlasoh my god I've actually I've never sent a new photograph ever good I don't think I don't think man should send dick I

Lily Phillipshave never sent a nude photo before did in it I did okay wait so okay we got the two tens here at the table

Andreaum look at my teeth look at my skin this is all my hair I think I'm beautiful

Andrea[Music] yeah I'm watching you [Music] br all right you want me to humble

Brian Atlasmyself nine okay does that make you happy I'll humble myself for you you're a 10 thank well you said you can't walk it back now that'd be Shifting the goal

Brian AtlasPoe so we got two tens here um hubris don't you think it's a bit of hubris you know to say you're a a 10 you

Brian Atlasknow little modesty never heard anybody you know um self love is what I'm all about so oh you could you could self-love and like have a sort of objective self assessment or reasonable

Brian Atlasself assessment of your own physical attract I confidence and like what if I were to rephrase the question somebody recently messaged me and said Brian you should ask the question as it is but

Brian Atlasthen rephrase it a different way so just for you two one of the many ways we valuate potential Partners is by their physical appearance or physical tract in this I'm sure you can agree so how do

Brian Atlasyou think the dating Marketplace would rate your physical attractiveness on a scale of 1 to 10 well everybody is different uh so people like let's say you you had the a cross-section of men

Andrea10,000 the majority of men would rate me um maybe an eight yeah I feel like I'd probably be rated like a seven or eight but I feel like I'm a 10 so I mean you

Andreaknow I'm a humble myself you know but I feel like I take good care of myself like own I barely wear any makeup all I got is mascara I take good care so why

Andreadid the why did your answer shift when because because they said rate your looks rate their looks not what you think a guy no what would rate you cuz

Brian Atlashe but that's what stiffmeister said right but it's sort of like if if 100,000 people tell you for example if you average it out they give you a seven

Brian Atlasfor example wouldn't it stand to reason that that in all likelihood is very it's likely that that's your maybe I've never like did a poll or

Brian Atlaswould you disregard the 100,000 men who have just given you an average and say well I I disregard that I still view myself as a 10 because I

Andreabelieve I'm I'm among the most beautiful women to uh have ever existed basically I wouldn't say one of the most beautiful I think the most beautiful is

AndreaBeyonce but you can't you can't compare to each other everyone question we're talking about average woman you're beautiful everyone's beautiful I'm a five it's okay thank you it's okay everyone do do

Brian Atlasyou think Beyonce is more attractive than you hell yeah well how can you be a 10 then if cuz I'm not Beyonce I'm Andrea and Andrea is a 10 just looks but okay but if you if you've if you can at

Brian Atlasleast admit that there's a woman who's more attractive than you then how do you come to the conclusion that you're a 10 out of 10 in different looks all different shapes and sizes and

Brian Atlascolors Brian come on now well perhaps you're you're there's a differential there but you just said that Beyonce's despite the fact that she's A different race than you you just said that she's more

Andreaattractive than you despite her race Beyonce yeah everybody's beautiful everybody's beautiful everybody's beautiful in their own way I feel like

TTS Readerall women are beautiful good guy iel donated $100 respect to green shirt girl for

Brian Atlasfinally being honest sincerely many uh thank you Brix and flannel uh appreciate it wait okay so don't you think it's a little delusional

Hazelyou know to say I'm a 10 you knowy aesty a little you know I'm very confident and I the wouldn't The

Brian AtlasConfident thing be to say I am I said I'm a myself s I'm a seven and I own it if I believe that I was a seven then yet but oh so you believe in your heart of

Brian Atlashearts that you are a 10 out of 10 in in terms of your physical appearance y question for you are you wearing color contacts no

Andreathose okay Hazel she wants to see oh well that Hazel had surgery done huh really really real have any question

Natalie Wintersyeah that's why I R my top of 10 have you guys had filler or anything they real no filler no lip filler no

HazelBotox okay all right um fact Checker is May dispute I'm kidding you think I have botox or oh no I think the 10 rating what she

Brian Atlaswas um in your eyes maybe do you guys so because you guys are a 10 do you feel feel like you deserve a guy who's a 10 no I've dated guys that are oh

Brian Atlasfives but when you date a guy who's a five do you feel like you're kind of settling for him not at all oh but you're a 10 so why should you be with a

Brian Atlasfive if you're a 10 because I date people for their heart really yeah but you see both of you objected to

Brian Atlasyou you both made a mention of like having an issue when you're I it's a little different but if your boyfriend cheated with a woman who is uglier like what but so you brought looks I wanted I wanted him to cheat with someone that's

Brian Atlasprettier no but you question like why do these men always cheat with ugly women so like you do sort of view things in like a physical attractiveness lens to some degree yeah you're right I do was

Andreathat it you are right you got me there I ain't going to cap you you got me there right honestly I didn't really answer that question I didn't you answer you answered it the

Brian Atlassame yeah that same cuz I didn't really know like H wait okay here's another question going around the table related to the one to 10 thing do you think you will be more physically attractive in 10

Andreayears time starting with you going around the table go ahead no I think so you're 25 aging like fine wine I think it just depends I follow

Andreathis one lady on Instagram and she's 65 and she is beautiful and she still had the same body no I'm not even kidding I

Andreacould pull her up she does not even look 65 but I think it's cuz she gets filler is that a horse someone laughing

Brian Atlaslike that or is that like that's a little much that's how eyelashes you done yeah it's uh I was pretty look you can still be I'm not

Brian Atlassaying you can't be physically attractive when you get older 35 isn't even old I think you're 35 34 34 do you think the 65y old or whatever

Andreawas more attractive at 25 oh yeah okay I mean yeah obviously with age cuz and people get old and wrinkly and blah blah blah but not 10 years probably like 25 more years to answer the question though

Brian Atlaswill you be more physically attractive in 10 years yes so you'll be more physically attractive at 35 than you are now at 25 yes with about in 20 years probably not cuz you not be getting old well why where's the why is there a

Brian Atlasdifferential so it you're saying that currently your looks are going like this and then at some point I you get older yeah you know wrinkles and you know but isn't it basically Artis my

Brian Atlasunderstanding when it comes to Aging for both men and women when it comes to wrinkles and stuff now we can have a conversation of like you know gray fog or what you know there's some

Brian Atlasdifferences there but my understanding is like you hit 181920 and then like these signs the

Andreaactual signs the biological signs of aging yeah grown woman fine that 181920 that's like kid 21 after that that's grown woman th those are adults but I'm we're

Brian Atlastalking about just no but we're just talking we're having a conversation about like the biological reality of aging and you pretty much I mean 18 1920 and then you know you start

Brian Atlasprogressively getting wrinkles there's changes to your skin men men start you tune like 38 is when you start wrinkling yeah

Andreait just depends I guess you know cuz like if you're you know have that melanin in your skin then you know they don't really get as much wrinkles as

Andrealike the uh Caucasian people so it just depends like you know I feel like play a part your jeans play a big part what's the peak of power for a man that age

Lily Phillipswhat would you say 25 I'm pretty sure that's what they say l yeah when you but what would you say 25 and you and you and you and you

Brian Atlas25 30 28 the peak for man 28 yeah like say like 30 like 35 4 30 talk Peak physical appearance or are we

Emanueltalking about the physical physical appearance not not this time okay but no just when you know I got a little salt and pepper coming into the beard I shaved today you know

Brian Atlaskind no I think a little men are a little bit older like like 30 well there's a there is a bit of a differential but uh so going back to you though will you be more physically

Brian Atlasattractive in 10 years uh I'm going to make sure I stay beautiful you may very well still be attractive in 10 years but that's not the question yeah so I'm

Hazelgoing to try probably not but I'm going to try my best okay what about you 5 years from now yes 10 years from now no Natalie

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