Brian REJECTS Her LIVE?! 200+ Body Count?! Valentine's Day SCAM?! | Dating Talk #135

Date: 2024-02-14

Duration: 6h 37m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLily Phillips >

AAndrea (DT135)>

HHazel (DT135)>

JJade (DT135-LV)>

NNatalie Winters >

AAtlantis (DT135)>

BBecca (Team Vulnerable)>

EEmanuel (Team Vulnerable)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Emanuel(guest)

SPEAKER_02Jade(guest)

SPEAKER_03Atlantis(guest)

SPEAKER_04Becca(guest)

SPEAKER_05TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Hazel(guest)

SPEAKER_10Natalie Winters(guest)

SPEAKER_11Andrea(guest)

SPEAKER_12Lily Phillips(guest)

Key Moments

IntroLily Phillips self-introduction as "online slag / porn star"

“hello my name is Lillian Phillips I'm 22 I'm from Darbyshire England and I am an online slag otherwise known as porn star or only fans ho whatever you want to call it”

ControversyBrian explicitly rejects Lily live on show: would not date her due to porn career and body count

“even if I was inclined to do that I wouldn't even want to have casual sex with a woman who's promiscuous or who's done porn or who has a high body count cuz those things are pretty much deal breakers for me”

OtherLily reveals she had a labiaplasty ~2 years prior for cosmetic reasons; went clubbing the night of surgery

“I actually went out like clubbing the night I got it done cuz they got me on... I did have sex like a week after I had it done and the stitches came out”

QuoteBrian states he has not performed oral sex on a woman since the "Bush Administration" (~2007-2008)

“I haven't gone down on a girl since the Bush Administration”

ControversyLily discloses 200+ body count and provides breakdown: ~150-200+ civilian, ~50 scenes

“definitely triple digits I couldn't tell you what it is... probably not more than 200... in the hundreds... about 50 [scenes]”

ControversyLily describes hot tub incident on family ski holiday involving approximately 10 men

“there was a hot tub and there was also a sauna... having sex with a couple of them... two [intercourse]... four or five [other acts]”

Key MomentBecca reveals husband had erectile dysfunction on their wedding night due to porn addiction

“your husband literally can't get it up for you... he's struggling with this so much that he's having Ed and can't get it up for me”

ControversyJade reveals ex-partner was secretly addicted to gay porn; discovered via Wi-Fi router history; he used her credit card for OnlyFans; had filed a marriage license but never married

“I went through the Wi-Fi router... he was actually severely addicted to porn even got to the point where he was using my own credit cards to buy only fans”

Key MomentBecca gives testimony: lost God in college, believed she was only good for sex, found redemption; encouraged Lily that she is not "too far gone"

“I had you know I grew up Christian completely turned away from God when I was in college and I started believing certain things about myself that I was an object... you rated yourself a six and that's ridiculous you are so so beautiful”

QuoteBrian explains "dating creep" concept: once a woman dates a high-value man it's hard to go back

“once you start dating a certain caliber of man you start like having dating creep... it's like hard to like date the normal average guy once you've had a taste of like a certain tier of man”

QuoteNatalie Winters states OnlyFans and porn are part of a broader agenda to destroy Western civilization

“there are corporations that want you to be sitting there and saying that because they want you to buy into this narrative because they are intent on the destruction of Western civilization”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and relationship statuses

Guests introduce themselves; discuss current relationship statuses, situationships, and OnlyFans business model.

OnlyFans debate: empowerment vs. societal harm

Extended debate between OnlyFans creators and Natalie Winters/Manny/Becca on whether OnlyFans normalizes objectification, harms relationships, contributes to declining birth rates and Western civilization.

Porn addiction and Team Vulnerable nonprofit

Manny and Becca discuss Team Vulnerable; Manny's 15-year porn addiction, ED on wedding night, recovery. Programs for couples, singles, and parents.

Valentine's Day commercialization

Discussion of Valentine's Day spending (men ~$190 vs women ~$96 average), gift preferences, whether it is a scam.

Foodie calls and women using men for free meals

Study cited: ~33% of women have gone on dates purely for free food. New York Post story of woman who got groceries free for 2 years via dates.

Marriage pros/cons and prenuptial agreements

Brian explains why marriage is a bad deal for high-earning men: community property, alimony, legal costs. Debate on religious vs civil marriage.

Violence/BDSM in porn and 50 Shades of Grey

Discussion of aggression in mainstream porn (88% statistic), choking trend post-50 Shades of Grey, impact on real-world relationship expectations.

Dating apps and modern dating challenges

Women claim men who use dating apps aren't real men. Roleplay experiment: women pretend to be men hitting on Madison. Discussion of Tinder match disparity.

Tinder bizarre date story (Andrea)

Andrea shares story of a wealthy bisexual man from Tinder who wanted to pay for plastic surgeries and customize women like "Barbie dolls"; had paid for transgender partner's surgery.

Brian's Hearthstone/World of Warcraft tangent

Brian goes on extended tangent about quitting World of Warcraft in April 2020, his Hearthstone rank (rank 33 world, Warlock 1623 wins), why video games are addictive.

Body count discussion and hypocrisy debate

Lily reveals 200+ body count. Round-table body counts disclosed. Debate on whether men with high body counts are hypocrites for wanting low-body-count partners.

Lily's personal life stories

Lily shares: university sex life, hot tub incident (~10 men, family ski holiday), sex party, 4 encounters in one day, thoughts on body count mattering.

Jade's ex-partner porn addiction discovery

Jade reveals 2-year quasi-engagement ended when she found ex watching gay porn via Wi-Fi router history; he had been using her credit card for OnlyFans.

Self-ratings (1-10 looks)

Guests rate their own physical attractiveness. Hazel claims 10. Brian rates himself a 5. Debate on realistic self-assessment and hypergamy.

Hypergamy and dating marketplace dynamics

Brian's extended analysis: average women chasing above-average men; lifestyle creep in dating; men get front-end rejection, women get back-end rejection.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswhatever disclaimer the views expressed by the panelist do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever podcast or the host without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name

Lily Phillipsage location so where are you from and occupation go ahead hello my name is Lillian Phillips I'm 22 I'm from

Lily Phillipsdarbishire England and I am an online slack otherwise known as porn star or only fans ho whatever you want to call it that's me thank you uh thank you flan

Brian Atlaslife for the 10 gifted membership um what is a a slag what is that slag slag ho wh it's all same thing so you self

Brian Atlasidentify as those yes what do they call them here 304s there's a bunch of names we got we got there's a lot of names that that can be used but uh okay all

Andrearight she's self-aware all right what about you my name is Andrea I am 25 years old I'm from Arizona and I do only fans all right welcome

Hazelmy name is Hazel I'm 30 years old I do only fans my name is were you from and I am from Northern California and I live in LA all right welcome my name is Jade um

Natalie WintersI'm 23 years old I'm from Las Vegas Nevada and I work in finance and solar sales all right welcome I'm Natalie I'm 22 years old I live between Los Angeles

Natalie Wintersand Washington DC I am the co-host of Steve bannon's War Room podcast TV show an investigative reporter and I have a lifestyle and clothing brand rock and

Atlantisroll welcome my name is Atlantis and I am 19 years old and I am from California Riverside and I'm currently a nursing student okay great I'm Becca I'm 29

Beccayears old I'm from Arizona I am the co-founder of a nonprofit called team vulnerable and I spend most of my time as a stay-at-home

Emanuelmom my name is Emanuel 31 wow I sound old at this table right now um 31 I live in Arizona and I'm the other co-founder of Team vulnerable where we help individuals overcome porns and can you

Emanueltell us a bit more like about the organization what's the Genesis of the start of it like yeah so um long story short uh was addicted to porn for 15 years and had everything the world could

Emanueltell you that would make you happy uh money drugs alcohol um I was married and 3 years into our marriage it was just starting to destroy our marriage and I asked Becca for help in overcoming it and luckily she showed me love grace and

Emanuelmercy and was just there for me and I was able to overcome it and then we felt the Lord calling us to help others overcome it so we started off with a married course for couples to go through together then we had single people reaching out to us we won a course and we made one for people were single and

Brian Atlaseven one for kids and for parents to go through and um it's been amazing so and you said you were addicted personally is that correct is this something that this

Emanuelmanifested during your marriage with Becca or something that pre 15 years um I was watching so well before we were married and started with a low self-esteem bullied in school um not

Brian Atlasdoing well in school all that stuff and um yeah got it well guys you can uh we have their link for their course in the uh description of the YouTube video if you guys want to go ahead and check it

Brian Atlasout we're going to go around and we'll have some opportunity to uh talk about that more a little later on but we're going to go around the table once more so what is everybody's current relationship status so are you single

Brian Atlastalking stage situationship Friends with Benefits relationship married polyle sex cold you know people are in all kinds of Arrangements if you're single how long have you been single and what's the

Lily Phillipslongest relationship you've ever been in go ahead I am single and ready to um and I have been

Lily Phillipssingle for about um I don't even know what date is it it's 2024 for I

Lily Phillipsthink I last had a relationship maybe just like 2 years ago 3 years ago how long was the relationship um like 6

Brian Atlasmonths but the one I had before that was 2 years sorry if you wanted one so your most recent one was 6 months your longest was two years yes 6 months two years okay and so um were you uh

Lily Phillipsmonogamous during those two relationships yes yes okay believe it or not you know I am all right us okay we I we we'll come back to that

Andreain a little bit I'm not a cheater and so remind me how long have you been single uh two years oh two years okay what about you I'm single I've been

Andreasingle for about 3 years and then the relationship that I was just last in uh was about 3 years God and that was your longest relationship yes got it what

Hazelabout you I am in several relationships um my longest relationship uh was 6 years so yeah so you're you're currently

TTS Readerhold on we'll get back donated $100 I chag the slag ly bloody hell all right um there there you have

Lily Phillipsitd you whatever as long as you got a big Co oh God okay all right uh welcome to the whatever podcast My Links down

Brian Atlasbelow it's going to be a interesting show tonight guys all right you're currently in multiple relationships yes what so how many relationships are you currently involved in well all my fans

Hazelare my boyfriend so I oh and and then I have people that help me do content so I'm in relationships with them too you're all your fans are your so you're

Brian Atlasselling like the girlfriend experience oh yes I connect with my fans and how many fans do you have I have over 5K fans um I have boyfriend yeah how do you

Brian Atlasmanage 5,000 let's change the title of the video to she has 5,000 boyfriends um well I have a good following so I talk to the people that

Hazelfollow me on Instagram as well as the people that follow me on my spicy site so obviously the ones on my spicy site get the girlfriend experience um so yeah

Brian AtlasI feel like I have a lot of boyfriends they take my time I send them nudes so yeah but you're not you're not you're siphoning money from them you're

Hazelnot in actual romantic relationships with them I'm not siphoning money they're willingly they're willingly having their money siphoned but um well yeah they're

Hazelmy boyfriend you're not in no you're not in romantic relationships with them I am H they say they send me good morning messages um good night you get 5,000 good morning messages no well some of

Hazelthem on Instagram but we talking about my my private site so yeah so the ones that are more invested than others obviously um and they're on there longer than others have you met any of them in person oh no they're just virtual

Brian Atlasboyfriends virtual I only class people that I'm intimate with as boyfriends AKA what what do we call that s simps basically yeah pretty much Sims um so do

Hazelyou have any actually in-person relationships um I have someone that helps me with content um that's always there so are you so I have relationships no I'm not single I'm

Brian Atlastaken by who by you don't need to name his name but what what is your relationship status by the World by my fans I'm in a relationship

Brian Atlaswith my fans no can you actually give me a good faith answer to the question I'm in a relationship with your fans or with like a specific individual are you polyamorous do you have multiple

Brian Atlasin-person boyfriends what are we talking about I have virtual boyfriends and I have someone that let's remove your only fans and I'm using very big Aires so if you don't count my virtual boyfriend and

Brian Atlasthe person that helps me make content then we can count him perhaps I'm single you online so you have one person who helps you make content so I'm assuming like yeah you're having sexual

Brian Atlasintercourse with this person correct are you having sexual intercourse with any other person I collab with other female okay so you content yeah female Talent

Brian Atlaswhat about any male Talent or no okay so uh do you have a you have a professional relationship with this man who does content with you but do you have a romantic relationship with him I care

Brian Atlasfor him yes I've known him since high SCH do you have a romantic relationship with him yeah I guess you could say that I'm just going to say you have a boyfriend here because I mean yeah we're not

Hazelofficial we don't have the title but I know I can count on him do you well you you sleep with other men no for work no does he sleep with other women no

TTS Readerwell not that I know not that I know one Motorsports donated $100 I'm say she's got a point if you were getting paid for a GF you are not in a relationship you

TTS Readerare a hooker a harlot and a drain upon Society may God have mercy on your soul me please yeah the girlfriend

Brian Atlasexperience uh what's a GF I think the that stands for the girlfriend experience um so like

Hazeldoes it cost money to get the girlfriend experience um not necessarily I give the people that are subscribed to my VIP site the girlfriend experience and like I message them I what what is the

Hazelgirlfriend experience I don't know what that means like if you have a girlfriend that you talk to long distance you could video chat you could but they have to pay for it that sounds like prostitution not a girl they pay for it once they

Hazelsubscribe to your to your page so once they subscribe to my page they they're able to talk to me and I'll give them the girlfriend experience but it's is it really the girlfriend experience it sounds more like the It doesn't sound

Hazellike a very good prostitute experience to some degree right I mean well if that's what you want to look at it like then that could be a I'm not

Hazelthem virtually you are right virtually I'm them virtually yeah she's them virtually yeah you want to get

Hazelvirtually virtually morally okay all right so did you put me um down as single I have you as or prostitute I have you down as in a

Brian Atlasrelationship because it sounds like the guy you make content with you're in a relationship sort of with him okay kind of anyways it it's not super important

Jadebut okay go ahead um I guess I'm talking to somebody uh last yeah guess you're talking I guess yeah I guess we are talking we are talking I'm going to say that more sternly we are talking yes what does that mean to be talking I

Jadedon't know I just find the difference between single talking dating in a relationship so stupid I think you're either single or in a relationship at least me personally so you're not in either not in either it's not thein yet okay so you're in the

Jadestupid situation it's talking stage talking stage what I consider to be a little bit more how long have you been talking um I it's it's honestly like January so

Jadebeginning of January and then before that I was in a relationship for years and then I was single for a month and then I was in another relationship for 2 years two years is your longest relationship so would you say you're

Jadecurrently in the situationship see I find I I think that's so I I just think it's so dumb to be like Oh I'm talking to someone oh I'm

Jadedating someone I'm the kind of person where if I go on a date with you I'm committed fully on the first date that's at least just how I am and so just because it's not defined yet I just I

Jadewant to say single you're courting I I'm single simple is is he uh doing the same thing as you probably not um however I'm aware that not everyone nowadays is like

Brian Atlasthat and that's normal um but he has your undivided attention yeah romantic attention okay yes uh so you say but have you had a conversation with him because you've been dating like talking for a month right about a month I mean

Jadehave you had a conversation with him about is it long distance no not at all um he He Knows My Views he knows my values and he understands it and I guess he's just deciding whether or not he wants to commit I'm okay to waiting

Brian Atlasbecause if I like you I understand that and so I'm just do you guys hooked up no okay um do you think he's entertaining other

Jadewomen probably however um I don't really mind whether he is or not cuz in his head we aren't committed and that's okay okay in my head it's different though and he knows

Jadethat not necessarily like oh in my head we're in a relationship however he does know that in my head he is the only man who has my undivided romantic attention how long have you been talking just

Jadesince January one minute okay sorry yeah okay wait so you've broached the I want to be in a relationship with you conversation he not necessarily like I want to be in a relationship with you

Jadehowever it's I've made my values very clear to him and he understands okay if you're going to continue talking to me this is what I'm going to want if you don't want it stop wasting my time and go away how long are you willing to wait

Jadeum you know what it's at least with me specifically it's it's not necessarily you have to sit me down and be like oh my gosh here's the date I'm going to be please be my girlfriend blah blah blah blah it's just necessary it just happens

Jadeat least for me that's what I've noticed um it's you you get with someone you like them and then if you start loving them love is an action once you start showing that love as an action then it's

Brian Atlasbasically okay we're together at this point how did you meet him at work work what do you do for work again I'm in finance and solar okay so you're like out in the

Jadestreets selling door too some solar not not necessarily so with my finance job I work in loans so things like car loans and things like that okay and then I also work as a little bit of

Jadean investment broker on the side so that's my finance side got it and then with solar um my company calls me up and it's like hey Jade can you come out here and close this deal and then I go and close the deal super simple super easy

Natalie Wintersgot it okay what about you I've been single for probably a little north of a year and my longest relationship was probably around a year one year got it

Brian Atlasokay uh so you've been single for one year any any dates in in that time period any prospects or is it looking kind of Bleak I would say Bleak feel

Natalie Winterslike there has a negative conation um no I have a very demanding job even though I hate feminism and I don't think women should be working nonetheless that is my current reality um so I've been really

Natalie Wintersbeen focused on that um and I also think it's kind of hard to even really determine what it means when you're dating someone's situationship stages no offense but when you consider yourself to have 5,000 boyfriends and there's

Natalie Wintersplatforms like only fans I think that really degrades how you term relationships so I've kind of had struggles with that I quite like the T McCoy donated

Natalie Winters$100 how can I find the girl in the orange on leans uh it's Dr Drea if I if I could say I think I

Natalie Winterssounds like you are a fellow maybe anxious attachment person in terms of like when I go on a date with someone I kind of immediately like to attach or at least give them my full undivided attention and I think with that comes

TTS Readerthe ability for women to set boundaries with guys I don't mean that hold on Mike Davis donated hey look who it is haven't been here in a while but why you hating Brian you know how

TTS Readermany sex deprived bums are shooting the place up she's saving lives with the girlriend experience sign of course you know what I was I let

Brian Atlasme walk it back I was wrong she is saving lives out here um just saving lives you know so uh good to see you in the chat Mike Davis it's uh it's been a

Natalie Winterswhile welcome man good to good to see you um go ahead with your um no I was just saying that I think setting boundaries like you are in terms of I personally think you should wait till marriage um I think that it's fine to

Natalie Winterstell a guy that you that you want to do that and when I think platforms like only fans really commodify women's bodies and normalize the idea that if men just pay you like $5 a month they can get whatever they want out of you

Natalie Wintersyou can laugh but the average only fans Creator makes about $150 a month that's not even the minimum wage in like Kenya um but I think that you set a very dangerous precedent that that makes it very hard for women to stand up for themselves in normal relationships and

Natalie Winterstell guys that they can't just get whatever they want out of you and that you're you you can set boundaries and standards oh would would the you guys care to respond to her well personally I

Lily PhillipsI don't mind yeah I don't mind selling myself for $5 a month honestly ain't nobody making $150 a month want the guys paying for porn anyway right no exactly

Natalie Wintersso we're not harming you in any way you could find your fish yeah I would Happily Never marry someone who pays money for porn but I just think it's sad that you guys reduce your value

Natalie Wintersand self worth to5 a month and that's your perspective well what I'm and my perspective is that I think you guys are worth so much more I think God andou and who said we're not well I think when your enti in your eyes we're not well

Natalie WintersI'm trying to say I think when you debase yourself to make your entire livelihood dependent on basically the lowest common denominator which is the fact that you guys have boobs a vagina and an app I think that you're selling yourselves

Brian Atlasextremely short I have a quick question for you guys well hold on okay please allow them an opportunity to respond I get like my mind is so fast no we can come back to you but allow them

Lily Phillipsto respond good I personally really enjoy my lifestyle I love what only fans and porn gives me like it gives me Freedom um and I I really enjoy being

Natalie Winterssexualized like I get off to it um and I don't think that's affecting you so I don't think it's any of your business personally not well it's not affecting me personally but I think you guys are

Natalie Winterssort of one of the many I would say arrows in the quiver that are being used to destroy western civilization and Traditional Values and family values and I think as I'm sure you can attest to you guys are creating the content that

Natalie Wintersis lowering the threshold significantly to make it much easier for men to want to drop out of relationships with women it's all your fault yeah not saying it's all your fault but you guys are are supplying and frankly I think

Natalie Winterswhen you guys again I'm not attacking you guys as individual people I'm attacking the well I mean I think you guys can also take ownership for the kind of content that you're creating um but I think you guys are contributing to it right are you not you're saying

Natalie Wintersyou're sitting there laughing saying that you like being objectified and and commodified so you're obviously embracing it and you're going down the path of trying to normalize the behavior this is just my person it is normalize

Andreaand you know ain't nobody here making 150 a month we eny the average only fans Creator makes average as you can see yeah we got thousands of followers on Instagram we got like and to be honest I think that this is one of the most

Natalie Wintersdangerous narratives that only fans spins and frankly I hope you guys like the the only fans PR team is paying you a bunch of money because I think the worst part of only fans is that it sells the lie to girls that if you just start posting pictures on the internet of

Natalie Winterswhatever one of your body parts that you will become like a millionaire overnight and you're basically having these girls tank their reputations for what is on average again you can't argue with the facts $150 a month you can become a

Natalie Wintersmillionaire overnight though I literally but the platform of only fans was not crean people not every people who already had followings to then leverage it to show you it started out with

Natalie Wintersnonsexual content then it became into into more sexual content and what you guys do but it wasn't really designed for you and to be honest I even take issue with the term only fans because I don't really think that these people are your fans I don't think you guys are

Natalie Winterscelebrities I think it really is devaluing the term fans just because you take pictures of yourself doing weird things with guys doesn't really make you a celebrity I didn't make myself as a celebrity at all but you're calling

Hazelthese people your fans I feel like you're threatened and you're scared we're taking your for the content notat you get to make sure that

Andreathe actors are over 18 the actors in the videos are paid fairly if you look at only fans ter if you look at only fans

Andreaterms they are very vanilla if you go on porn you can find some dirty ass on their only fans some dirty yeah they are very strict you can't do stuff

Andreain public you can't do a lot of certain things so I honestly think that it is a very safe site for people to go on there and show that and you know you do you see that people are over 18 they're

Andreaencouraged to you know everybody has to sign a release form everybody is consenting if you go on porn I have seen stuff where these girls are looking very uncomfortable only fans you know it's

Andreavery safe and like for people like us it is possible to make a million dollars overnight because you have to have that X Factor it's not for everybody that's what I'm going to say Manny go ahead

Emanuelyeah um so one of the to your point Natalie the $150 a month you know the 1% rule so you got black China making $90 million a year and then you know 50 million 40 million 30 million and then everyone else is 000000 z which brings

Emanuelthat average amount down there so I think one of the big challenges is when you get on to an only fans and then you put up some posts and you're like I'm going to to be rich and then it doesn't happen and then it's like oh shoot now someone has these photos I think that's one of the the biggest challenges with

Emanuelit but one of the things that was really interesting is back and I were researching coming on we're like why does somebody watch only fans versus porn because I was never watching uh only fans and what's the big difference because it's free right so what are they looking for the boyfriend experience

Emanuellove connection they want get to know you so here's what was really crazy as we start going through the facts and the numbers and we find 90% of the people are married who are a subbing and we're

Emanuelgoing whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa and so one of the big challenges I think of what we're trying to stand up for is just the idea of someone is coming here and they're looking for the virtual girlfriend experience but I think about

Emanuela child walking down and seeing you know that's not I sorry no no no you're fine okay I apologize so that kid coming down and seeing you know their dad on there and the divorce and how they could break

Emanuelup a family and it's just it's very very sad so one of the things I like to just bring up is just you know you say they love you which I I think you would say they love you your fans I don't think

Lily Phillipsthey love me I would no no no I wouldn't say would you well I'm not like I'm not a celebrity I love they love watching us yeah I think I would put back you know with that whole concept of if they are

Emanuelmarried men you know with a family and they're running from an issue with their with their spouse and they're saying I don't want to stand up to this I don't want to have that hard conversation just like the hardest conversation I ever had in my life was I'm addicted to porn I

Emanuelcan't stop this on my own I need help um you know when you say they love you if you say that if you don't say that but do you want to show love to them not in a sexual way but caring about them

Lily Phillipsenough to say you know what I don't want your family to be broken I I care about them but don't get me wrong I'm not in a relationship with

Lily Phillipsthem it's not my duty to you know make sure everyone doesn't have a girlfriend and everyone doesn't have a wife and they've not got families cuz like it's

EmanuelI'm not trying to be like Pastor the blame but it's not my problem like I'm not the one in a family and if I can just really quick on that one you know one of the things was I was just some guy jerking off in his bathroom for 15 years at 2 a.m. you know and I was like

EmanuelI never can make a difference i i a l i was going I can't make a difference I can't do anything I'm just some guy and what was crazy about it is when we stood up and we just said you

Emanuelknow what let's create this course as a team and we were helping couples do it we said if we can help 10 to 20 couples with their course that we made that'd be great and in the first year 450 people got the course in over 25 different countries I was literally on the phone with someone in Denmark the other day

Emanuelit's like 4 days in the future over there but just that idea of we're just no buies from Arizona with no following and just if this could save one marriage if it could prevent one sa from happening if it could help one self-d

Andreadeltion trying to use all your words would it be worth it to stand up and just say you know what that would be worth it just one of those things I mean it's not really like I like she said too it's it's not really my issue you know like most people who go on there have

Andreafake names and everything they don't want to go on there and like talk about their issu it's a lot Anonymous people we don't know who they are and it's not my problem cuz at the end of the day I mean hold on one second grid One

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Brian Atlasgirls work for the world's biggest pimp feminism for the L fism for the L let's go thank you G Juan appreciate it enjoy your fly day tomorrow um but yeah honestly I think if

Andreaa guy is buying only fans it's probably because the girl isn't satisfying her man so he has to go out and get that somewhere else so you know like it's both of their problems it's not my issue all I cared about is getting paid I

Brian Atlasactually don't even think it has anything to do with most if a man's in a relationship well I mean that could be wrong on this I don't think he's it's probably men who don't have any dating prospects at all who are the pro

Emanuelprobably the primary customers of uh I give great relationship advice on my class can we add to that I wouldn't say can we add to that for a second though because one of the big things when I was

Emanueladdicted to uh porn was I just felt I would tell myself you know what Becca just can't handle me because I just need it all I'm just such a manly man with so much testosterone I can't and what

Emanuelhappened was once I stopped watching porn it was like oh I don't need I'm not addicted to sex I'm addicted to to porn and when we have sex once or twice a week or three times if it's Valentine's weekend or whatever but you know when we

Emanuelhave these things it's just incredible because it's no longer about uh Power or domination or anything that's getting off it's about love connection and intimacy it's just a beautiful thing seeing it and I would say Becca is the last person who it's theault because one

Emanuelof the things it's interesting like I said this was 15 years in the making she was only with me for six of those years and I wanted to quit I said once I get married I'm done with this 3 months before the wedding I'm done then I said 2 months one week one day and it's the

Emanuelnight of a wedding and I can't have sex and I'm going I'm so sorry I love you I love you but I have this problem and I'm struggling and I didn't say even in that night I want to quit I just said I I have this problem and it wasn't until I

Emanuelcame to her 3 years later and I just said I can't beat this thing on my own will you be there for me that I was able to finally overcome this thing and and really overdo here we can come back to the only no it's fine uh we can come

Brian Atlasback to the only fans conversation and I know you guys want to continue going at it but we will come back let's get through this the relationship status

Atlantisstuff first go ahead uh I'm single okay um I think the last time I've been in a relationship was probably December

Atlantis2022 the 20 year 202 I was like that's very precise so you've been single for two years about or two okay uh longest relationship that what uh that

Brian Atlasrelationship was is like a year and a half got it okay uh Becca what about you married for almost seven years all right

EmanuelI assume the answer is the same for you Manny but uh same same seven years feels like it's been like 3 minutes though underwater no I'm just joking that was a joke please that was a joke there is a

Lily PhillipsMitch Hedberg joke that goes something along the lines of uh I'm trying to remember what it was there's a girl oh my God I'll have to think what all these

Brian Atlasreferences I can't remember any of them just terrible um amen something wait Mitch Hedberg something about like how's

TTS Readerit go I know a girl who sorry I'm sorry I'm butchering it uh wait let me Google it while this comes donated

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Brian Atlasto me thank you grid One Motorsports are the Discord spies are saying that this you're selling the girlfriend experience but you have uh typers or Chatters as

Hazelthere I actually don't know okay how can you talk to fing yeah 5,000 people well I cons I'm not talking to everyone every day like I spread my love a little more

Hazelspecific how do you spread your love well make time for a few one day the next day I'll make time for the others and then I have like a a schedule A lot of them don't want sorry A lot of them wants chat yeah a lot of them don't want

Natalie Wintersto chat but a lot of them do just depend I'm just curious would you guys like say looking down range want these guys to be in healthy relationships where they no longer need to come to you or do you want to always have them perpetually in a state where they either are single or

Hazelthey have these broken relationships where they always need to come to you guys I don't believe that people that watch porn necessarily have an unhealthy relationship I had I know a lot of couples that watch porn together so I'm

Natalie Winterstalking specifically though on the only fans like the girlfriend experience angle of it a lot of the people that I do give the girlfriend experience to really don't have a chance finding a real girlfriend in the real world so do

Hazelyou think that them watching only fans is helping helping them get a relationship in the real world honesty honestly I feel like I do practice yeah I yeah I

Lily Phillipsgive them advice practice for something that they'll never really need game time I'm happy for mine to get into relationships cuz that you know what like there's obviously always going to be single man so do you guys think that what you do helps them get into

Natalie Wintersrelationships or keeps them want you I don't involve myself in their personal life like that much I think it's probably pretty fair to say that what you guys are doing is probably I would say it's making them stray away towards getting into relationships so if you

Lily Phillipsreally want them to get into relationships then why wouldn't you I'm not saying I want them to get into relationships I'm not saying I'm not I'm just saying no I'm just saying so they keep paying you whoa whoa whoa I'm just saying go you do your thing like if he

Natalie Winterswants to get in relationship he wants all smoke tonight I want them all to be single I want them all to single I always have to do shows with other conservative media people and I always just have to talk about like the Chinese Communist party and all that stuff we

Brian Atlasabout this is so fun cuz I get to be on with people who I disagree with so I'm very excited well Natalie can do you think though I mean my view on this is

Brian Atlasdo you think that that men ought to take accountability on this I don't really blame so much so the women for making this stuff available I mean look there's

Brian Atlasperhaps some degree of culpability but I think men absolutely have agency and they should take it upon themselves to not there always going to be poor 100% And I think it's a testament to how

Natalie Wintersmasculinity really has been watered down nowadays but I'm just saying I think where I take not even personal offense to it but where I put more of the onus on on the women for it is when and I mean this with all due respect but when

Natalie Wintersyou guys sort of have this flippant laughing attitude where you guys are joking about like oh hahaa I want to be commodified I want to be objectified I want to just make money oh it's all about making money I think that just sort of really works to normalize the

Natalie Wintersbehavior which a takes the stigma off the guys getting involved in it but more importantly I think it sends the very very very wrong and very dangerous not just I mean for physical reasons but I think for reputational reasons message

Lily Phillipsto other young girls that oh it's so easy I just turn on only fans and I make a million dollars and it's not that's not true no I I agree I agree that people really need to think about it because obviously it affects every

Lily Phillipsaspect of their life I totally agree with that but I mean personally I do it cuz I enjoy it Freedom like and also only fans is not for everybody people people are always going to watch porn

Emanuellike if I sto doing only fans and porn like they' only you know wank off to another girl so like and may add you were talking about making money and let's not lie you can make money doing only fans somebody's making money

Emanuelotherwise nobody would be doing it right so making money getting the attention literally a bigger philosophical question of just like what is the purpose of this life for you would you say yeah and I honestly one of my Kinks

Lily Phillipsis like really getting off to like guys getting off to me like I I like being sexualized I don't know sound SD but it's just one of my Kinks what can I say

Lily Phillipsum and so I I love my job I get good money from it I get all the freedom but at the end of the day when you're 80 and you know you're passing away right what is what are you going to

Beccasay my I I invest my money well and stuff like that what type of relationship do you want to have so I haven't really figured this out yet but I I'd be happy

Lily Phillipsto date someone like in the porn industry as well with me and stuff like that like I don't mind not having a non monogamous relationship ship is that correct that would be um yeah um but

Lily Phillipshonestly like I'm not looking for anything for another like 10 years like I am very very happy in myself I really enjoy my own company so for now you just said that your biggest Kink is watching other people get off to you and that you

Natalie Wintersbasically crave the validation of other people so how can you say that you're just content like living by yourself it sounds like you you do want someone to I no I I don't want a boyfriend

Lily Phillipsbut I I I I get off to guys blanking off to me yes that's two different things word can I get some more water is that

Andreaokay my loud sorry I'm a thirsty girl I squir a lot so I need to hydrate yeah honestly though I like the attention on only fans like and anyone who's ever known me since like I don't

Andreaknow seventh grade I've just had this flirty like sex appeal to me I love you know I've always like twerked at the dances and so I don't know like I've always just kind of been like super

Andreahorny and stuff and like if you like to have sex and record it then I mean why notze make money off of it and it's like not anyone can make money off of it like you have to be that kind of girl you

Andreaknow put yourself out there you got to know how to Market things correctly that's what a lot of people don't do they don't know how to Market it and stuff so that's another thing but honestly I like the attention and I like

Andreamaying money off of it and even if I do know somebody who bought my only fans and they have a wife I'm not going to say anything about it because I'm it's not my position he's probably buying 10 other girls only fans too so it's like

Natalie Wintersyou know it's like what can I do it's his issue not mine and like she said I'm not invested in their personal lives I'm not sure if that was a rhetorical question as to why one would not participate on the only fans platform

Natalie Wintersbut assuming it wasn't just hypothetically say you have children not sure if that's something that you want but how do you think that plays out with you having kids or maybe getting married do you think that that affects them do you think that's a potential reason not

Andreato do only fans no I don't really plan on having kids either so I don't think that'd be a thing but even like Kim Kardashian with her video with Ray J and stuff you know like she's one of the

Andrearichest women out here and like her kids you know North probably knows about it it it really doesn't matter you know like people she she's spent millions and millions and millions of dollars to get

Brian Atlasthat video off the internet for a reason so she said no it's she has she she leaked it herself here let's uh we'll come back to the of discussion a little

Brian Atlasbit later on in the show I want to get into uh some dating topics first though well actually before that really quick just going around the table this is a question we've been starting to ask um are your parents still together starting

Atlantiswith you go ahead yes my parents are happily married 20 years actually okay yep they are still together my parents are divorced 40 years this year together

Brian Atlasno my dad's dead sorry to hear that Yes mine are together uh they were together my father just past two years ago sorry to hear that okay uh so we have Valentine's Day

Brian Atlastomorrow this is our first topic of the show valentine's day it's tomorrow a holiday that is commercialized and encourages you to buy greeting cards

Brian Atlaschocolate flowers expensive dinners expensive gifts um so a couple of you wait let's see there's wait you're kind

Brian Atlasof in a relationship you're in a situationship single the but all of you have been in a Rel ship at one point um who here has been in a relationship

Brian Atlasduring Valentine's Day everybody okay um did you get your boyfriend for the ladies here did you get your boyfriend anything on

AndreaValentine's Day yes uh yes I did a bottle of honey and a blunt and I did not no uh we were going on a trip the new

Brian Atlassuitcase okay no you didn't get him anything no did he get you anything no oh okay then I got him

Brian Atlasanal uh that's why I stick to anal sex okay oh boy all right these girls are are loose with it tonight okay um would you guys be upset if your boyfriend I

Brian Atlasknow some of you are single but let's assume like you get into a relationship didn't get you anything on Valentine's Day I'd be hurt you'd be hurt yes you're you're supposed to give a woman flowers and chocolate that's it I mean it's not

Andreathat hard but what are you supposed to give the man you know a bottle and a BL an anal whatever he want too I I would buy him flowers too and you know what's

Andreacrazy I actually um heard that guys don't get flowers until their funeral what the Y it's true so I get them flowers no I I I like a nice

Lily Phillipswell-written card and maybe some quality time so like a dinner as long as he me good that'll be fine all

Brian Atlasright uh well I did read something uh that men will spend nearly double what women plan to spend and there's varying

Brian Atlassources on this $190 versus $96 on average um so uh yeah honestly they need to be spoiling you like throughout the whole year not just on Valentine's Day I

Hazellike to spoil my guy though like the the men need to be spoiling the women yeah and vice versa vice versa if you're in a relationship and you love the person you should spoil each other are you

Brian Atlascurrently being spoiled by I am being not your 5,000 you're you're in person he's spoiling you you guys have anything planned for Valentine's not yet no I'm probably going to be really tired if

Hazelspoils how does he spoil you uh he gets me flowers we'll go to dinner we'll go on trips and does he always pay for that yes and how do you spoil him um I give

Brian Atlashim head that's how it should be you pay wait you agree you agree with of course I agree I think a man should be a provider the man just and the woman just

Jadeprovides sexual no not necessarily sex um I feel like it depends on the woman but a man should be a provider a woman should bring morals woman should bring kindness genuine being a person person

Jadenot necessarily um anal or head but I feel like it the way that a woman thinks the way her mindset is I think the way that she talks she dresses say she acts I think that is enough for a man to be a in a provider role and

Jadethen on top of that as well if you're not willing to pay a trip for me how are you going to pay for me to raise your kids at home I don't get it word Amen period how many um let me ask you a

Brian Atlasquestion though on that how many uh like guys have you dated have I dated yeah how many boyfriends have you had how many guys have you dated just the

Jadetwo yeah only two yeah so the current guy and well that too but like I said before I'm still single two and then a potential a potential dates I've gone on dates with

Brian Atlasthree different dudes yes you've so you've only had three First Dates yeah W hold on okay all right well you're really young aren't you I'm 23 yeah yeah cuz I

Brian Atlasmean the push back I was going to give there is you're saying well men should do XYZ because at some future point you will bear him children but I think the reality is when it comes to dating

Brian Atlasnowadays like if you and perhaps you're an outlier in this regard uh you know most women who've had like a string of relationships didn't end up procreating with any of those men and it's plausible

Brian Atlasthat those men provided for that provided for that women woman excuse me but did not receive the benefit that you are suggesting is a prerequisite prerequisite and requirement for a man's

Brian Atlasprovision so you're saying well men should provide because I will bear him children one day but you've dated men who you did not procreate with so the men the men did not reap the supposed benefits of the provisioning which W

Jadewith which he provided well you also have to remember I'm I'm 23 years old so the man that I met at 18 there's it's a very rare chance that I'm going to end up procreating with him um versus the last one yah was actually planning on we

Brian Atlaswere planning on getting married we were talking about it even had our marriage license filled out but I mean he I I don't think you're to wrong like yes there is something to be said for well if like this is going to be the mother

Brian Atlasof your children and you know perhaps if she's going to be a stay-at-home uh wife whatever uh certainly there could be an expectation of providing but it occurs

Brian Atlasto me that in most modern uh for most modern relationships for most people they have strings of relationships before they ever get married or have

Brian Atlaskids so it makes me question whether men ought to be providing if your if your argument is men should provide because one day I'll give them kids but how many people are in relationships that don't

Jadeever result in uh CH children I mean of course there's many however that's not my that's not my goal if I go on a date with somebody as I said earlier um if I go on a date with someone automatically

Brian Atlasyou're going to be the only person I'm talking to that's just how I work um emotionally I'm not you're dating intentionally I get it intentionally get okay so Valentine's Day uh what were we talking about here we were talking about

BeccaValentine's Day uh I think we pretty much got through everyone on that right anybody would you be upset anybody else would be upset I personally hate flowers I think they're stupid they die I I

Beccadon't like them I like chocolate but I think it's like your Valentine's Day is going to look different based on like you need to know your partner what do they want you know some people want quality time some people want flowers

Beccasome people want chocolates so if you're just like this guy who's out there like oh I got to get chocolates and flowers to check off the Box in this big old teddy bear like lame more old why would I want a freaking teddy bear I did have someone give that to me when I was in

Beccahigh school and I was like I'm throwing this away so I think know the person it should be something specific to what they want and it shouldn't be this requirement I think um just spending

Beccamoney on each other being more superficial can be you know pretty prevalent in today's society and I think having quality time having you know I think it would be a lot more romantic or

Beccasexy to have a vulnerable conversation filled with hey what are you looking for in this life what are your goals I think that's a lot sexier of a thing to do on

BeccaValentine's Day than to uh get somebody just an know aside what have you given me as some presents on I don't even know

BeccaI don't even know I know what you give me handwritten letters that incredible yes handwritten letters I think I think but that's our love language you know so I think it really depends on what does

Beccathat person want and if you don't know what that person wants I would say you're not in a very close relationship if you like you need to have those conversations to get to know that person

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Brian Atlaschoppy TRW thank you man appreciate it uh wait what are they saying you understand what's that we love you too baby what what are they saying yeah what

Emanueldo they mean I think what what it's trying to say is um it may feel or be coming off as a bit more of an advertisement it's not a real conversation this is what I'm here for

Emanuelit and it absolutely can be an advertisement but it also can be a real conversation where we're diving a little bit deeper and and find out what's going it's both yeah Best of Both World both

Lily Phillipsbut why do you have o signing fans girls on it's to like get the clicks and get them titles of it's controversial it's very

Brian Atlascontroversial truth be told truth be told I mean I'll I'll answer this um if recruitment for this show was more simplified and I mean Madison can attest

Brian Atlasto this it's it's uh Talent recruitment is rather difficult uh if it was up to me I would not invite no offense to you guys I would not invite people no I just wouldn't invite women

Brian Atlaswho do only fans or porn on the show I'd much rather invite quote unquote normal women they can be left leaning they can be feminists they can be Progressive so we're not

Brian Atlasnormal well there's a difference in so far as you're engaged in sex work so what I'm trying to say is I would have no issue uh if we were capable of more

Brian AtlasEAS eily procuring guests to totally phase out women who do sex work but because the just and look it's a criticism that the show has received that I've received the reality is and

Brian Atlasfor those watching who might be curious why why do you bring the uh you know why don't you just bring on normal women cuz sex no you get sex no we would actually actually some of our most viral moments

Brian Atlaswere with women who were not involved in sex work uh in any case the reality is what does a

Brian Atlasuh woman who's has a professional career who's like a nurse or a uh nut no listen we do get some of those women but

Brian Atlastypically we mostly get content creators and women who are involved uh doing only fans wanting to be on the show and again if it was easy for us to get like liberal or PR for okay there's there's a

Brian Atlasthis is a very nuanced topic for one we've had a multitude of big name conservative guests on the show and we live in California that immediately turns off like the vast majority of

Brian Atlaspeople who are left leaning or liberal who aren't involved in content creation coming on the show they see that most no offense to people who are liberal most people who are liberal are not prepared

Brian Atlasto have their views uh debated or challenged so they're not the one where like which one's liberal is that liberal like Democrats

Brian Atlasit's Democrats so people who are left leaning liberal typically are not really willing to engage in conversations with people who disagree with them they're not really open to debate because they

Brian Atlastend to operate not not everybody but often times they will sort of have a pretty strong animosity towards people who are more conservative or even

Brian Atlasmoderate whereas I think and perhaps you you're conservative I think conserv conservatives seem much more willing to engage in conversation with people who

Brian Atlasare uh liberal conservatives seem to view people who are liberal as um you just you just see it as like an ideological difference whereas liberals will view conservatives as like evil

Brian Atlaslike they'll pass like a very strong moral judgment like you're evil whereas conservatives it's like H just we disagree you know ideolog name in the book because we do you consider yourself

Brian Atlaswell hold on let me uh let me finish my thing so because we live in California which in Santa Barbara it's an incredibly left-leaning liberal area it's very difficult for us to to get

Brian Atlasguests on um and we fre not on top of that we have a lot of people who flake last minute who cancel we had I have to overbook so I'll I'll book 20 people to

Brian Atlascome be on the show 10 half of them flake and so it's it's all most of the time that's dedicated outside of the podcast is actually dedicated to guest procurement Talent recruitment it's

Brian Atlasincredibly difficult um no I can imagine the behind the scenes is but if we just we're we're happy to we're happy to bring on feminists liberals who have normal jobs I would actually prefer that

Hazelno offense to you guys if I could phase it out I absolutely would well we make our own hours so we're we're most available so well I guess also to make it we're able to make it we

Brian Atlasdon't have and also this podcast this podcast does have a reputation for being um a little I don't know if confrontational is the right word but I'm not just going to sit here

Brian Atlasand like I I challenge people this isn't going to be like let me just agree with everything you say and we're just going to sing Kumbaya no I'm going to challenge people I'm going to have debates I'm going to disag agree with

Brian Atlaspeople and I think a lot of people are not prepared to have those conversations um and then really it just comes down to like what is the incentive for like a 23-year-old

Brian Atlas29-year-old liberal Progressive feminist woman who's got a normal job to come on the show there there's really no incentive they don't give a they don't care about Instagram

Brian Atlasfollowers so um I would actually make the argument even if we had like a perfectly non-political strictly dating related like super tame dating show that

Brian Atlasnever ventured into culture War stuff never ventured into Political conversations was was totally like never devolved into like heated exchanges or debates I still think it would be very

Brian Atlasdifficult to procure quote unquote normal people to come talk about even PG related dating subjects because people just don't want to be out there uh on the internet so anyways that was a bit

Emanuelof a ramble there but uh I was going to point out how you know the Liberals don't want to talk um not to make it Ultra political but just you know this is going on YouTube and that's

Emanuelin Northern California and I have a a list of words I was given that's like 25 long before the show started of what I can and can't say and being afraid of free speech you know and so I I say to all of you thank you for coming and this

Brian Atlasis really cool to be able to be here and get the talk be open have these comos aome yeah I agree but I mean just to answer the I address the initial thing

Brian Atlaslike if we had like okay if I had a flow of like people who could commit to being on the show and I had like a bucket of like 10 o girls and 10 like liberal

Brian Atlasfeminist leading leading women who didn't do sex work I would always pull from the nonsex workers yeah but unfortunately the circumstances are that

Lily Phillipsthis is a somewhat controversial show and and only fans is very controversial yeah yeah and before this I mean you did ask us to like post on your social media and so obviously people who work on

Brian Atlassocial media usually have a few more followers than people who don't I mean so that helps truth we don't really factor in people's followings at all at all I have like 100 she's got 100

Brian Atlasfollowers like we'll bring on like if you have as long as you're ready to come have a good conversation and if you I actually really want to bring on if there's anybody watching who disagrees with me and this is going to get into

Brian Atlasour next thing I'm very open to Bringing on people who disagree with me um but yeah you have I have like you don't do you have a couple hundred followers

Brian Atlasmaybe so the someone's follower account does not uh you know as far as the girls we're bringing on is really kind of irrelevant so it's it's a added bonus if they have a big following and maybe they

Andreacan push a couple people to our live shows but I I don't really care all that much so I feel like of girls you know with like the whole dating stuff too we probably

Andreahave like a bit more stories you know with like you know experiences with men and stuff so you know I feel like it's more fun bringing us on cuz we exchange stories and stuff as well sure but one

Brian Atlasof the cons of that that does concern me is uh there's definitely only fans Wom women who essentially lie about these their so-called dating experiences and stories

Brian Atlasjust to create a story about them like there's some girl there's some girls in Australia who like I'm pretty sure will like intentionally lie and say oh yeah there's some girl recently who went viral who said oh I slept with like 20

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