4v4 Debate GOD Andrew Wilson vs. Feminists! Virgin GIGACHAD! Jaquan! Farha! | Dating Talk #124

Date: 2023-12-04
Duration: 5h 58m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Madison(guest)
SPEAKER_04Miss D. Marie(guest)
SPEAKER_05Rosie Genene(guest)
SPEAKER_06Farha Khan(guest)
SPEAKER_08Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_10Mason Gregoire(guest)
SPEAKER_11Kimberly(guest)
SPEAKER_13J'Quan (Jaquan)(guest)

Key Moments

00:02:16
IntroRosie Genene introduces herself: 32yo patient care advocate for oncology pharmacy and part-time YouTube vlogger (quirky love rose).

hello my name is Rosie genene I go by quirky love rose on the internet I am 32 just had my birthday a couple weeks ago I am a full-time patient care advocate for a specialty pharmacy specializing oncology as well as a part-time vlogger on YouTube

00:02:36
IntroFarha Khan introduces herself: 24yo content creator on TikTok/Instagram; best content on OnlyFans.

hi my name is far KH I'm 24 years old um I'm a content creator on Tik Tok and Instagram but my best content is on onlyfans.com

00:02:58
IntroMiss D. Marie introduces herself: actress and model, from Seattle, resides in LA.

uh Miss D Marie uh I just had a birthday too and I'm an actress plus model I'm from Seattle but I reside in La

00:03:17
IntroKimberly introduces herself: 22yo caregiver/babysitter from Indio near Coachella.

hello my name is Kimberly I'm 22 years old I'm a caregiver SL babysitter and I'm from Indio by Coachella

00:03:37
IntroMadison introduces herself: 19yo from San Diego, full-time SBCC business student, Whatever Podcast staff, and bar host at The Quill.

my name is Madison I'm 19 years old I'm from San Diego California I'm a full-time student at Santa Barbara City College studying business I work for the whatever podcast and I'm a host at a bar the qill

00:03:48
IntroJ'Quan introduces himself: 30yo behavioral scientist, certified relationship coach, YouTuber, influencer, book author.

30 years old behavioral scientist certified relationship coach YouTuber influencer book author

00:04:00
IntroMason Gregoire introduces himself: 27yo, primarily a Christ follower, mechanical engineer, content creator, competitive powerlifter.

Mason greguar um as always uh primarily a Christ follower um I am a mechanical engineer content creator uh competitive powerlifter uh 27 years old

00:04:10
IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself: host of The Crucible; content creator; works in robotics; 39 years old; happily married.

name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible um so I I guess I'm mostly a content creator now I also work um kind of in the same type of field except in robotics um 39 years old happily married

00:08:00
QuoteMason Gregoire confirms he is a virgin waiting until marriage for religious reasons (Christian conviction).

yeah it's uh it's for religious reasons well I mean as a Christian it's something I'm convicted of I mean the Bible speaks on it all the time so that's stance I take on that and uh I take it seriously and more so that you're also you're waiting till marriage yes I'm also waiting till marriage

00:20:50
QuoteRosie discloses being groomed into feederism (death feederism) by a stalker she met in 2012-2013 who later hacked her Cash App and cloned her phone number in 2021.

hi my name is Rosie and I was groomed into feederism feederism is a kink like a sexual King regarding feeding someone generally for the purpose of them being fat or getting fat

00:27:15
QuoteRosie discloses attending BBW swinger parties in Atlanta area in 2019 and having up to 10 partners in one night during her post-breakup 'party phase.'

at one night 10 was that like an intentional goal like you went in no it actually was kind of accidental I just like I was very laid fair about life at the time

01:35:00
Key MomentAndrew Wilson debates Farha Khan on the ethics of OnlyFans consumption under her claim 'there is no ethical consumption under capitalism.' Andrew points out this implies OnlyFans consumption is either unethical or morally neutral.

they can't be ethically neutral if she says every single time is she say no ethical not unethical those are two different things yes so it's so everything under your worldview then when it comes to capitalism is either immoral or morally neutral

02:43:20
ControversyAndrew Wilson argues body shaming serves a legitimate societal corrective function — shame keeps people from publicly normalizing unhealthy behaviors and discourages others from following the same path.

the constructive criticism it's a shaming tactic so that everybody who sees a person like you out there trying to say it's okay... they're trying to instill a sense of shame so that if other women see that they don't go that road

03:25:20
Key MomentAndrew Wilson states he required his wife to get a paternity test regardless of his trust in her, and if she objected he would leave.

you're going to get the test and if not I'm out the door period

03:54:40
QuoteMisty (Miss D. Marie) rates herself a 10 and defends it as self-love philosophy: 'I am a Misty 10.'

I took a long time for me to love myself and I do now and so yeah I think that like you know I'm I'm my I'm a misty 10

03:58:00
Key MomentSelf-ratings round: Rosie 8, Farha 8.5, Misty 10, Mason 10, Kimberly 7, Madison 8, Andrew Wilson 4, Brian 5. Andrew Wilson defends his 4 as an objective assessment; debates Rosie and Misty on subjective vs. objective beauty standards.

eight today 8.5 8 8.5 I'm a 10 seven eight 6.5 uh I'd say 7.5 to 8 four... I I used to say six I'm a five in front of all these beautiful women how could I ever not humble myself down to a four

04:14:10
QuoteRosie discloses her body count is approximately 50-60.

probably somewhere between 50 to 60

05:50:00
OtherBrian refuses to rebook Gabby or Shannon after they flaked on the show day-of, calling it a breach of commitment. Misty reads Gabby's text message (about her dating situation, not an apology), which Brian dismisses.

I'm not considering them again for future shows because if you're going to do that to us there's there's no guarantee that you're not going to just flake last minute again

Topics Discussed

00:00:13
Guest introductions and relationship statuses

Brian introduces panel: Rosie (32, patient care advocate/vlogger, single 2.5yr, ex-fat acceptance), Farha (24, content creator/OnlyFans, single 1.5yr/fabstinent), Miss D. Marie/Misty (24, actress/model, single 4yr), Kimberly (22, caregiver, single 1.5yr), Madison (19, SBCC/Whatever staff, in relationship 1yr3mo), J'Quan (30, behavioral scientist/coach/author, single), Mason Gregoire (27, mechanical engineer/virgin/powerlifter, single), Andrew Wilson (39, The Crucible, married).

00:09:00
Three guests cancelled day-of; show discussion

Brian explains three originally scheduled guests (Gabby, Shannon, and a third) flaked on the day of taping. Gabby cancelled for a paid Nike modeling shoot. Shannon had logistical issues getting a ride (was going to ride with Gabby). Brian vents about flake culture affecting production. Misty (Miss D. Marie) had planned to give Gabby and Shannon a ride. Brian states he will not rebook Gabby or Shannon.

00:12:00
Plus-size dating: would you date a plus-size man/woman

Initially a plus-size panel theme. Rosie (self-described 'super fat') discusses logistical challenges of dating another plus-size person. Explains the fat spectrum (small fats, mid fats, large fats, super fats, infinity fats). Discusses her history in fat acceptance movement (since 2013) and her departure. Now pursuing health improvement; approved for Mounjaro. Disclosed feederism grooming story (stalker, 2012-2021). Discussion of feederism vs. death feederism. Misty discusses attraction to athletic men despite being plus-size herself.

00:18:20
Rosie Genene's feederism and BBW party history

Rosie discloses being groomed into feederism by a stalker in 2012-2013. Explains feederism (sexual kink around feeding to gain weight) and death feederism (feeding to the point of death). Her viral TikTok on the topic on We're All Insane podcast with D'Ora. Separately discloses attending BBW (Big Beautiful Women) parties and swinger parties in Atlanta-area Georgia during a breakup in 2019. States she had up to 10 partners in one night during this period. Body count ~50-60.

00:40:00
Brian's and panelists' preferences in partners

Extended round of each panelist stating dating preferences. Brian: slight preference for Asian/white women, petite, natural (no plastic surgery, no makeup, no perfume), introverted/modest, low body count. Farha: intelligent man, no porn/strip clubs, high sexual discipline. Misty: athletic, ~5'10" minimum height, intelligent, spiritual. Kimberly: wants dates/activities, someone serious about relationships. Madison: committed, honest, loyal. J'Quan: cute face, nice waist-hip ratio, emotionally stable, high conscientiousness, introverted types. Mason: devout Christian, marriage-minded, virgin or willing to repent, wants large family. Andrew Wilson: 'unicorn' — woman who prioritizes duty over self-interest.

00:59:00
Plastic surgery debate

Brian explains why he prefers natural women: associates cosmetic surgery with body dysmorphia, vanity, high maintenance, and misrepresentation of genetics for offspring. Andrew Wilson asks if Brian would recommend surgery to a hypothetical plain-looking daughter to boost her confidence. Brian argues getting in the gym is far more effective and authentic. Andrew frames surgery preference as signaling women prioritizing self over duty. Discussion of breast implants, BBL, lipo, veneers, rhinoplasty.

01:35:00
OnlyFans ethics and capitalism debate

Farha makes claim 'there is no ethical consumption under capitalism.' Andrew Wilson debates her on the logical implications: is OnlyFans consumption then unethical or merely morally neutral? Farha clarifies she misspoke — meant to say the ethical landscape is more complex. Extended philosophical debate on whether ethical positives exist under capitalism. Andrew and Farha debate strawmanning, moral absolutes, and Farha's dyslexia affecting her phrasing.

02:40:00
Body shaming as a societal tool

Andrew Wilson defends body shaming as a societal corrective mechanism to disincentivize obesity. Rosie argues shame is harmful and encourages eating disorder mindsets. Andrew cites shame's historical role in maintaining social standards. Farha asks whether random cruel comments (gorlock, hippo) are really a societal correction tool or just sadism. Brian admits he retitled a past episode 'gorlock the Destroyer' for searchability, not as a societal statement. Extended debate over whether public figures promoting body acceptance should be subject to public critique.

03:15:00
Confidence vs. modesty in women

Rosie asks whether confidence or modesty is more important in women from a male perspective. Brian: prefers modest women who approach him nervously over confidently. Andrew Wilson: confidence is a more masculine trait; men look for feminine traits (modesty) in women. J'Quan agrees, adding that church/clergy focus on male pride issues. Mason concurs. Farha and Rosie push back on gendering of traits.

03:23:20
Mandatory paternity testing debate

Brian asks whether mandatory paternity testing would help or hurt women. Andrew Wilson: strongly for it; required his own wife to get one regardless of trust. Mason: agrees, notes accidental hospital baby mix-ups. Rosie: concerned about government overreach but acknowledges it could help with child support enforcement. Farha: objects philosophically — adds a bureaucratic layer, prefers individual autonomy. Andrew dismantles her trust-based objections. Brian cites disputed statistic that 33% of children may not belong to the father they believe is their father.

03:58:00
Self-ratings (looks 1-10)

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks. Ratings (in order): Rosie: 8. Farha: 8.5. Misty: 10. J'Quan (implied). Mason: 10. Kimberly: 7. Madison: 8. Andrew Wilson: 4. Brian: 5. Debate erupts over Rosie and Misty's ratings. Andrew Wilson challenges them on subjective vs. objective attractiveness standards. Rosie defends her 8 as self-esteem rather than comparison. Misty defends 10 as self-love philosophy. Andrew argues ratings must account for external perceptions.

04:11:40
Body count round and double standards

Brian goes around table asking body counts. Rosie: 50-60. Farha: 0 (disputed by Andrew, citing her scripted TikTok skits). Misty: 8-9 (Brian estimate; she declined). Kimberly: did not clearly state. Madison: did not disclose. J'Quan: 'lost count; been around the block' (previously said 50-60 in another context). Mason: 0 (virgin). Andrew Wilson: married/declined. Brian: 8-9. Extended debate on whether body count double standards are justified. Rosie argues the double standard exists but doesn't make it wrong. Andrew argues it is entirely rational and evolutionarily grounded.

04:30:00
Patriarchy, white male privilege, feminism debate

Brian asks whether panelists consider themselves feminist. Rosie: no (not exactly); uses systemic definition. Farha: yes by Brian's most generous definition (advocates for women's rights). Misty: mixed. Kimberly: no. Madison: not labelled. J'Quan and Andrew: no. Debate over whether feminism fights for equality or only for women's benefit. Brian argues feminists would not support conscription for women. Andrew argues feminists' core principle of egalitarianism is internally inconsistent given their opposition to outcomes that don't benefit women. Debate over racism toward white people and sexism toward men (systemic power definitions). Reaction to memes about male privilege (D-Day, oil rigs, power line workers). Andrew argues men maintain civilization's infrastructure.

04:48:00
Dating deal breakers reaction (Reddit post)

Brian reacts to a Reddit post from a 29-year-old man listing his dating deal breakers: cheated in the past, takes recreational drugs regularly, incurable STD, in a situationship/FWB, poor hygiene, sex worker (online or in person), extreme political views, single mother. Panel discusses whether the list is too strict. Rosie objects to single mother as blanket deal breaker. Farha objects to cheating-in-past as absolute. Andrew defends the list. J'Quan notes past cheating is a leading predictor of future cheating.

04:58:20
Can you be sexist against men / racist against white people

Brian asks the panel. Rosie: women cannot be sexist to men under systemic definition; racism requires systemic power. Farha: believes you can be sexist to men; applies systemic-power definition to racism. Misty: can be sexist to men (no); can be racist to white people (yes, location-dependent). Kimberly: cannot be sexist to men; can be racist to white people. Madison and Andrew: yes to both. Brian posits: could Barack Obama as president have held racist views toward a white homeless person? Misty says yes, some would value the white homeless man above the black president. Extended debate on systemic power, epigenetics, and the moral equivalence of bigotry vs. racism.

05:25:00
Reactions to dangerous male jobs videos

Brian and Andrew react to videos of male-dominated dangerous jobs: iron workers on high-rises, oil rig workers, power line workers in snow (China), helicopter-attached power line workers. Discussion of how infrastructure jobs are almost entirely male-staffed. Andrew argues this constitutes men sustaining civilization's physical infrastructure with their lives while women benefit from it. Panel debates whether these men are forced to do these jobs vs. voluntary. Mason argues 2,200 years of history shows women cannot maintain infrastructure without men.

05:43:20
Closing discussion and wrap-up

Brian wraps up. Final discussion: Gabby's message read by Misty (she sent texts about dating situation rather than an apology; Brian uninterested). Brian on commitment ethics — argues once you commit to an appearance you should honor it even if a better opportunity arises. Brief discussion of upcoming Thursday debate show. Brian thanks panel and closes.

Transcript

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04:46:25
Madisonsaying like dude mine's like an immature thing like only teenagers do this stuff yeah I was a teenager when into this you brought it
04:46:36
Brian Atlasup youit brought it up he just looks at you did were were we going around the table on are you a feminist and then you asked me for a def somebody asked me for a definition or
04:46:47
Brian Atlassomething no and then we were talking about oh did did we get everybody said oh jeez I'm we were talking about you now had brought up if we talk about interactions with our men's with our
04:46:58
Brian Atlaswomen word that's what you had moved to word anybody anything dating related they like to get off their their chest anything I just think I was initially
04:47:08
Rosie Genenegoing to say earlier when you asked a similar question is I I feel my biggest um issue when it comes to dating is uh just emotionally immature people in
04:47:19
Rosie Genenegeneral like that being a running theme of lacking communication lacking um the
04:47:25
Rosie Genenedesire to process emotions outside of either unhealthy coping skills or um in in ways that are just not conducive to
04:47:37
Brian Atlashealthy relationships and I I find that to be like my biggest barrier and even being interested in someone I see oh we have we have a Reddit post we need to
04:47:47
Brian Atlasreact to Nick if you can uh pull up the Reddit post this kind of went got I think it was on the New York the New York Post uh reacted to
04:48:03
Brian Atlasit yep can you scroll up so it's readable are my dating deal breakers too strict can you put us on the other side
04:48:15
Brian Atlasuh I'm a 29-year-old can you make it a little bigger y all right I'm a 29-year-old straight man who has been actively dating since I turned 18 in that time I've met a wide array of women and I've constructed a
04:48:27
Brian Atlasshort deal breaker list to help me determine suitability early in the dating stage I showed this to a friend who said it was too straight and quite discriminatory here it is has cheated in a past relationship takes
04:48:39
Brian Atlasrecreational drugs on a regular basis has an incurable STD is currently in a situationship or has a friend with benefits has low standards of hygiene is a sex worker
04:48:50
Brian Atlaswhether online or in person has extreme political views is a single mother to one or more children that's a good list they said it was too strict do you guys
04:49:01
Brian Atlasthink that's too strict of a list great list I great list I agree it's a great list great list solid list I don't have an opinion about the list but I don't think it's too strict that's
04:49:13
Rosie Genenehonestly what I feel too I just think like it's like you know at the end of the day that's his prerogative if those things were to cause contention um or negative aspects within the relationship
04:49:25
Rosie Genenefrom the foundation of it then those are his deal breakers and that's his right would you would you guys recommend him though I'm sorry recommend what like
04:49:34
Andrew Wilsonlet's say I I'm sure you said great list right and you do relationship coaching so you would recommend that list to other people right like you should adopt this yeah you should would you guys do
04:49:47
Rosie Genenethat would you tell people they should adopt that list absolutely there are things on that list that I would recommend but as a whole I mean there are things that I don't think are deal breakers so I wouldn't necessarily
04:49:58
Rosie Genenerecommend it because I would only recommend something that was something I would coign and I personally don't coincide like like I said some of those things I would some of them are not deal
04:50:09
Rosie Genenebreakers for me um so like for example a single parent my my ex is a single parent so like that's not a deal breaker to me yeah that's so kind of the point
04:50:18
Andrew Wilsonof this is to say the reason let's say he was guilty of everything on the list everything M but in his capacity uh as a coach recommended to
04:50:30
Andrew Wilsonother men to follow that list because that would be in in their best interest most of the time that's the kind of the spirit yeah that's the spirit of what we're talking about so pretend for a second if you were a relationship coach
04:50:42
Rosie Genenefor men would you recommend this same type of list that he would recommends the question my biggest thing is I don't think single mothers as as a whole should be a deal breaker as a
04:50:54
Rosie Genenegenerality or someone who's cheated in the past because sometimes people like you know they've made a m they like and that's a case by case and probably the majority of experience but it is enough
04:51:06
J'Quan (Jaquan)of an aspect to take into account that's actually one of the predominant factors that predicts if someone will cheat though if they've cheated in the past so that's just something to be mind I'm not
04:51:17
Rosie Genenesaying that's not objectively true or not but I'm just saying that there are I there are cases where that's not true and I'm willing to give someone the benefit of doubt if I like them enough and trust them enough and their current
04:51:29
Rosie Geneneversion of self and I feel that people can prove like actionable change within themselves not necessarily just physically but mentally emotionally
04:51:39
Rosie Genenethrough therapy work other aspects as well um career change several factors that can embolden them to stop toxic cycles and it's unfortunately a rare
04:51:51
Rosie Genenething that occurs in current Society but it does happen and I want to give someone on an individual basis
04:51:59
Rosie Genenethat that chance so a deal breaker for me is an absolute and meaning that if there's the possibility that that could be a situation that I could work with
04:52:12
Mason Gregoirethen I wouldn't consider that a deal breaker I would consider that like a pink VAP flag versus a red flag you see what I'm saying yeah I get what you saying I don't disagree I think I might be able to ad I I could adopt that that
04:52:23
Mason Gregoireposition but I don't think I'll be able to to adopt that position if it were someone that holds your point of view on
04:52:32
Mason Gregoireyour idea of regret so elaborate okay so if someone is so if someone has engaged in the activity of
04:52:41
Mason Gregoirecheating I want them to be able to have regret for what they've done recognize that that was wrong it was evil and it was destructive to that relationship or
04:52:52
Mason Gregoireto Future relationships I want them to be have done the emotional groundwork to work through that understand sus out what was wrong with that be able to come
04:53:01
Mason Gregoireto me and show me like I I toiled over this I see what where I messed up it was wrong I regret that decision I wish I did not do it and like
04:53:13
Rosie Genenethere is tangible evidence to that effect then I could get on board yeah and you know I'll be honest when it comes to regret that is a topic in my life I think I have flip-flopped on and I have struggled
04:53:25
Rosie Geneneto understand my relationship with because I've had like you know from being born to 18 I was a Mormon and then I had a few years in my early 20s where
04:53:34
Rosie GeneneI was just angry at the world and then I had like a very committed monogamous lifestyle relationship and then I threw myself into another extreme so I've had these like sections in life from like
04:53:46
Rosie Genenevery from like operating from very different perspectives and very different um like modalities places
04:53:54
Rosie Genenewithin myself and so um I just feel that essentially based on what you just said it really does make me want to reflect
04:54:04
Rosie Genenemy perception of regret okay so yeah think that that's and that I am the kind of person where like I really do continually like um self-actualize
04:54:15
Rosie Genenemyself I'm very self-aware wait can you just speak sorry yeah I'm very self-aware and so like I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong or when I think I can improve upon something and I am the kind of person that wants to strive to
04:54:27
Rosie Genenebetter myself even if I don't necessarily know how or how to overcome certain disconnects I have because of like aspects of myself my identity my my you know
04:54:41
Brian Atlasmoving so guys uh we're going to do about 30 more minutes so I I lowered the uh TTS and the read threshold it's 50 and 100 50 to uh or sorry excuse wait
04:54:52
Brian Atlashold on 50 and up to read answer 100 and up now triggers TTS uh Nick I think we just keep the lights on to be honest uh
04:55:01
Brian Atlaswe don't I guess it's the after show but we'll keep the lights on as is um so I don't know if we get back into this uh I we need something juicy here at the
04:55:13
Brian Atlasend we need to get into some juicy topics here juicy topics we got 30 minutes left let's get into it let's keep stalling yeah just keep going okay
04:55:29
Brian Atlasuh it can you be sexist against
04:55:44
Rosie Genenemen that was some good timing I believe that sexism racism these these General large topics have
04:55:58
Rosie Genenesystemic impact okay and because of that in rout I believe that discrimination can happen to
04:56:06
Rosie Geneneanyone but these systems that are in place for things like sexism have an oppression factor from the systems that
04:56:17
Rosie Geneneare set in place and people that benefit more versus the other and so I believe that men can be discriminated against but I do not believe that women can be
04:56:29
Brian Atlassexist towards men can men be sexist towards other other
04:56:37
Rosie Genenemen I mean they can be they can be like what's the word I'm looking for I guess like manderas towards men well can can
04:56:47
Brian Atlaswomen be sexist towards other women yeah terized misogyny yeah okay a lot of buzzword coming here before I have anybody respond to that I want to get I'll go around the table and and you
04:56:59
Brian Atlasalso said I'll just double up on the question can you be racist towards white people
04:57:07
Rosie Geneneif you can just straighten into the mic by the very definition you just used by well just go ahead just and like I mean at the end of the day I'm not really super interested in having a heated back
04:57:18
Rosie Geneneand forth debate on my beliefs on this because they're just my beliefs and I could be related to dating somehow you know if you were dating Ian I person dating a light person it could be
04:57:30
Rosie Genenerelated what if the sexism question definitely is I personally do not use race as a factor of Attraction so like I
04:57:40
Rosie Genenewill I'm I would date any race I race is not something that is a yay or a Nay it's just a aspect of someone's person and I am the kind of we call it
04:57:52
Brian Atlasethnicity is that okay are we not all just human or yeah I mean race and ethnicity are different correct and we are R I can agree should I just assume that your answer is no you cannot be racist against white people that's my
04:58:03
Brian Atlasbelief yes do you want Oh you could have just so wait yeah I mean in short yes do you want to just say it yourself just so I'm not I don't want to speak for you I mean I'm agreeing with your point I
04:58:15
Brian Atlasdon't know why I have to verb I just you know okay far yes I think you could be sexist against men and racist against white people
04:58:26
Miss D. Marieokay why you look don't look at me that way what the start start with can you be sexist against men and can you be racist against white people the way that I mean
04:58:39
Miss D. Mariewhat she's saying the way that it's supposed to be set up or my understanding of it and I find to be corrected on this but my understanding that is that I don't really know that much about sexism as far as like if
04:58:50
Miss D. Mariethey're the exact same just via sex then okay but racism you have to hold the hierarchy in a society because then you benefit from the the constructs that
04:59:02
Miss D. Mariewere put in the societ so that's the reason why you could be racist so if you're not benefiting from it then you couldn't be racist from it so if those are the same then I guess by that definition no but I would have to do further thought on
04:59:16
Kimberlythat I would say um no uh you can't be sexist to men and yes you could be racist to a white person wait you so you
04:59:26
Miss D. Mariecan't be sexist towards men no I feel like you just want to be different no I think it depends where you're at too right and I feel like I thought
04:59:37
Brian Atlasshe's a based Catholic she was until she said that until she said that said that um so wait you can't be sexist towards these are even questions well I guess it depends on where you at right
04:59:49
Kimberlyso like if you're in Trinidad you could be racist towards a white person okay so location matters yes well I feel cuz I've been like well where I'm
04:59:59
Kimberlyat where I stay um there's like people that are like racist to white people they could they probably but okay but what but it seems like you acknowledge
05:00:10
Brian Atlasthat you can't be racist towards white people but I'm trying to delve into the can't be sexist towards men I just feel
05:00:21
Kimberlylike I don't know how to explain myself that well um I don't know I just feel like you can't like I just don't think so you
05:00:32
Brian Atlasknow you know I don't know how to explain how might somebody be sexist towards a
05:00:43
Andrew Wilsonwoman can I skip skip you want to skip yeah I'm getting be would it be easier to do to do it in
05:00:52
Andrew WilsonSpanish it's okay no can you say it in Spanish I can understand yeah oh no can you speak Spanish no not at all I was going to wait for her to like do the whole thing and Spanish and then tell
05:01:03
Andrew Wilsonher I didn't speak Spanish I just thought that would be hilarious you can't skip I just thought it' be funny you can
05:01:13
Andrew Wilsongo but it didn't work out Madison you toward a woman that's how you can be sex towards Asian there we goly um yes and yes okay uh yeah and
05:01:26
Brian Atlasyeah absolutely yes to both yeah yeah yes yes to both sure yes to both so okay we obviously clearly there's a few people who disagree here
05:01:38
Andrew Wilsonon both of these uh let's let's talk it out here let's see what where we we can arrive at I have I quick question maybe to kick it off when you say um so I understand I
05:01:51
Andrew Wilsonthink kind of like your general argument is to say white people have um maybe like institutional or systemic power and you can't be racist unless you have that
05:02:02
Andrew Wilsonpower okay okay that's what I was saying but you could be bigoted for sure okay morally is being bigoted and being racist the
05:02:12
Andrew Wilsonsame um I don't know end the mic I don't know like are they the equivalent so if you're bigoted towards somebody or you're racist towards somebody is one can you define what you mean by is one worse than the other can you define what
05:02:24
Andrew Wilsonlike what the definitions are for for well for you bigoted would just mean you're you're doing what the white person would be doing to the black person person that's racist in Reverse but that can't be racist so you're calling it
05:02:37
Andrew Wilsonbigoted so that's how I would describe that phenomenon but I think that so like let's say let's say um if somebody said the nword towards a black person you
05:02:48
Andrew Wilsonwould consider that racist right um if if white dude said like the hard art in word to I would consider him to be racist so that would be so he
05:02:59
Andrew Wilsonwould be racist but if the reverse happened and they said like uh you know yeah exactly you would just say that that's bigoted right well the thing is is that when you I
05:03:10
Miss D. Mariemean sure but I think the the difference is that when you call someone a cracker they could be like oh you're offending me but it's not going to stop them from moving forward where historically the
05:03:21
Andrew Wilsonother word does yeah I get okay I understand the argument there but what I'm asking is are they morally equivalent or is one worse than the
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Miss D. Marieother because I I associate racism with violence for me yeah but I mean bigot bigotry could lead to violence for sure but I don't associate him like I just from I I don't like they might be that's
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Andrew Wilsonwhy I ask you what your definition is well I mean by your definition if somebody was doing the racial thing in Reverse but you can't call it racism because there's no systemic power right they could definitely be doing that and
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Andrew Wilsonhave done it for violent reasons so the association's definitely there right so as far as a moral equivalency goes I'm just trying to figure out how is one worse or more immoral than the other one
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Andrew Wilsonoh yeah I did I mean it's for me that would still be a negative yes yeah but are they equally immoral or is one more immoral than the other um I think it would depend on the
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Miss D. Marieaction like if you call me the nword and I call you a cracker I think yours probably would be more moral than my maybe should we say the c word is that wrong I feel like we got it I think you
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Andrew Wilsoncan't be racist you can't be racist probably say the I'm also white so right well you can't do that on might be might be I didn't know she didn't know might
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Andrew Wilsonlet's just be careful talking about fools I was talking yeah so you think that the the racism in that point is worse than the bigotry it's a it's morally
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Andrew Wilsonworse because of the history that comes with it I probably would feel that way yeah but what's interesting about this and this is why I asked say for any other action that I can
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Andrew Wilsonthink of and I've thought about this a lot if there's any other action which comes up that you just kind of rename the thing which is the same exact thing as the other thing you just don't give it the same
05:05:17
Andrew Wilsonqualifier they're always equally immoral I can't I can't think of a single one that I can make that application to where it's not equally as bad because we're basically just calling it
05:05:30
Andrew Wilsonsomething else even though it's exactly the the same set of actions can you think of any I like for instance if a husband cheated and a wife cheated is
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Andrew Wilsonthat that's equally bad right I but if um if a a woman hurt a dog and a man hurt a dog that's equally bad right but
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Andrew Wilsonif a white person is racist and a black person is racist you say bigotry for the black person being racist that's not equally bad I don't think it's not I think that when someone being negative I
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Miss D. Mariejust it's already bad like I won't encourage that but with the history that comes with it there's just even like epigenetics like there's certain like feelings you'll even get that's going to be deeper rooted um and the connotation
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Miss D. Mariethat comes with it is just going to be more like for instance if someone calls me fat I can decide to give that word like I can decide to give that word meaning and that can hurt my feelings or I could be like oh it doesn't really matter and I feel like when you're white
05:06:30
Miss D. Marieand you get called that you have the choice of being like oh it doesn't doesn't really matter and when you're black you don't really get that choice what prevents you from having that choice the way you feel about the word how the word the history of the word the
05:06:40
Andrew Wilsonhistory of the things the way you feel is not a choice but the way you feel is still going to be affected by what happened yeah that's true but isn't how you feel the choice it's still going to be affected by what happened yeah I don't
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Andrew Wilsonunderstand though because you're what you said earlier just like seconds ago was it's not really a choice and I said why isn't it a choice you said cuz it's how you feel and I said isn't how you
05:07:04
Miss D. Mariefeel a choice you say yes I mean the choice it's not really a choice as far as like the history that already comes with the word so like it it already that's already a staple there wasn't
05:07:15
Miss D. Mariepeople being murdered based on the c-word there wasn't people being uh r word based on the CW there wasn't whole civilization being wiped out based on
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Farha Khanthe CW but there was based on the N word so I'm more curious about the sexist thing though wait I want want to say one thing kind of an analogy I'm not saying I subscribe to this but I think the argument is more like it's not like one
05:07:36
Farha Khanperson hitting another they see it more like if um certain races have been subject to like systemic discrimination they see it more like you've already been hit 10 times and if one more hit is going to hurt you more than someone who has never been hit you will be charged
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Farha Khandifferently for that so I think that's how they but how come you don't ascribe to that um because I don't know if every single person is like carrying that like historic load I'm just saying that's the
05:07:58
Andrew Wilsonargument they don't see so what she's saying a good point if somebody came over let's say um who had was not in the
05:08:09
Andrew WilsonUnited States let's say for more than like six months right you would agree with me that the word that word would have to impact them less then right yeah it does actually yeah so I mean if it
05:08:21
Andrew Wilsondoes then does that mean that you can be uh or that person if that particular person could they be racist to white people for sure for sure because I mean depending
05:08:33
Miss D. Marieon where they're they're they're so black people so then black people can be racist towards white people I never said they couldn't my statement was my my statement was that it depends on where they're located so well they're located
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Andrew Wilsonhere right but if so but if they're not from here if they're from Dominican Republic then they're them being out here and them being out there is going to be different they're still black people right yes okay well then black
05:08:59
Miss D. Mariepeople can hear be racist to white people not if they're for me that my understanding of the word racist means that you have the systematic um benefit hierarchy and so that's my understanding
05:09:11
Brian Atlasof the word racism I have a question on that real I do have one question you you're talking about a hierarchy right so for example could let's say when Barack Obama was President could
05:09:24
Brian Atlashe have a racist view against a white homeless person the president of the United States who's
05:09:36
Brian Atlasarguably the most powerful person in the world could he have a racist view on say a white homeless person who so I guess yeah is that I don't know if that's a good I don't understand I don't know
05:09:48
Mason Gregoirewell I guess that makes sense cuz the person that sits at top of the hierarchy is black therefore during his administration white people could not have been racist against black people
05:10:00
Mason Gregoirebut black people could have been racist against white people because he sat at top the hierarchy this system was still set by white people having a he's still subscribing to a white system system the systemic issue but I'm I'm asking
05:10:13
Brian Atlasspecifically him as an individual as a black subscribing to a white system he's still living by the as the President of the United States who has the most who's the most powerful person also and we know that President doesn't make the end
05:10:25
Brian Atlashe I mean there's a whole Congress like and there's a whole checks and balances whole do you think a white homeless do you think a white homeless person has more power and privilege than Congress a black president of the United
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Miss D. MarieStates I think in some people's eyes yeah which is unfortunate white homeless person I think that's that's racism like there's many people in many KKK people are going to appreciate the white homeless personid the KKK have no power
05:10:49
Mason Gregoirein this country whatsoever I'm just talking about racism but that's racism well they don't have power though so by your definition but they do have power
05:10:59
Andrew Wilsonthe KKK have influ for sure hey Nick can you pull up the in uh the podcast that would be like saying though that if there was a white president the Black Panthers didn't like it was the same argument but black panther black
05:11:11
Andrew Wilsonpanthers are not the same even close to the same kind of group as the KKK we not make that at I'm not even disputing that histo that's historically factually true you're right about that but but it's
05:11:22
Andrew Wilsonstill the same argument to say the reason that we would value this more still is because there's some people in society who would still value the white bum more than the black president and
05:11:34
Andrew Wilsonit's like okay but that's going to be true the opposite way too so that makes no sense the system still only benefits one side I have only think so mainly mainly benefit I've got a couple photos
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Brian Atlasthat we can react to that are related to this Nick so I want you to pull up the I believe these should be ordered the same for both of us there the third one
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Brian Atlasfourth one fifth one and sixth one uh the first one starts with CSU V do you see it so just load the uh third fourth fifth
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Madisonsix is it aie they're not not that great the cookies are not that great it's taking you like an hour to
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Brian Atlaseat you got you got just do one it just get the first one going all right uh the world according to a
05:12:26
Brian Atlasfeminist uh so you got the women can you make us a little bigger a little bigger put us on the other corner corner just Corner us Corner us corner here is the is there another
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Brian AtlasCorner okay just give us do the small one please small small small yeah and make make it bigger okay uh the world according to a feminist all those look at those women
05:12:51
Andrew Wilsonand then there's the guy who the homeless guy privileged you know okay all right that's you know but you have to understand though that all of the systems are set up for him yeah
05:13:01
Miss D. Marieapparently um they are and the fact that he failed is incredible oh my God I guess okay if it worked like that I mean like
05:13:12
Brian Atlasjust no notes well hold on first off there's affirmative action for women so that's a system that benefits women thank God what system helps men it's not
05:13:22
Mason Gregoireclear to me here pull up there's more there's more the um white male privilege the cons who whoa whoa whoa let's be careful there all right we in what in the con ution benefits white men specifically created equal does that not
05:13:35
Miss D. Marieinclude black what do you guys think about this this is a d does anybody
05:13:45
Miss D. Marienoticing three4 of men and black men became if you want to talk about the time it also didn't include it included some white men that's it so if we talk
05:13:55
Mason Gregoireabout the intent of the founding fathers they the intent and you can go to Thomas Jefferson's letters to specific individuals talking about how he wanted to make the language
05:14:07
Mason Gregoirein the Constitution more broad to include literally every single person well he was an abolitionist yeah and so exactly he was an abolitionist he hated slavery and he actively tried to release
05:14:18
Mason Gregoireall of his slaves but was legally not allowed to do so until he died in which he did so there there is this like pervasive verbiage in usually the left
05:14:31
Mason Gregoireside side of the political spectrum that likes to paint the Founding Fathers as extremely racist and writing the Constitution as something to oppress
05:14:42
Mason Gregoireminorities and oppress specific gender so women which is not the case you have them with the intent to release those people of those
05:14:53
Mason Gregoiresystemic oppressions that they uh that they experienced in other countries so like in England mean religious oppression the slave trade all of those
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Mason Gregoirethings they wrote the verbiage in the Constitution so that eventually we would get to a point where we're sitting here today where people would be able to read that verbiage and see all men are
05:15:15
Brian Atlascreated equal and we can sit here and know that they meant all men are created equal there's some more photos we got you didn't even see that second photo Nick if you can pull up the photo thank
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Brian Atlasyou Kate for the 10 memberships white white we often hear male privilege white privilege you know what I think every feminist
05:15:35
Brian Atlasshould watch All Quiet on the Western Front and then decide if there's male privilege uh wait there's more photos we got more photos that's the D-Day Landing
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Andrew Wilsonthat I don't know if that's I mean to be fair to that one um there was a lot of black men who fought in World War II abolutely that is true I'm not yes there
05:15:56
Brian Atlaswere there was the the Harlem Hell fighters in World War I and yeah um Nick pull up please uh oh there's this chat here I'll just read they have done the studies on
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Brian Atlasthe DNA test wait no no no okay never just pull up the photo I'll read it later the world according to a feminist oppressed privileged yeah that's also true there's
05:16:19
Rosie Geneneactually a lot of Truth the theme of these photos is just the there's much there's just the complete like dation of a Nuance just they just lack Nuance in its entirety because the whole the whole
05:16:31
Rosie Geneneaspect of like oppression versus privilege when you speak about privilege privilege people like to hyperfocus on the standard definition of privilege being about like how much money you have like how much access you have to
05:16:43
Rosie Geneneresources things like that wherein privilege much like much of the English language is a word that can have multiple meanings and in this context
05:16:51
Rosie Geneneprivilege is more about um the societal systematic aspect where which is a general morality and not down
05:17:02
Rosie Geneneto the individual and these are focusing on like the individual stereotypes and archetypes calling it e ecological fallacy everyone start talking at once
05:17:14
J'Quan (Jaquan)what are you basically calling it an ecological fallacy I don't want to say yes cuz I'm I'm not sure what that means clar when you take the individual and then you attribute it to the general po okay well then I would say yes I'm just not
05:17:27
Rosie Genenefamiliar with the term are you talking about Apex fency no it's the ecologic eological meical eological it's the eological fallacy okay I can see how the word deres yeah okay that makes sense to me
05:17:40
Brian Atlasthat yeah that sounds right well here pull up the last photo and then we got the last one I think there's one more we got one more scroll up make it bigger uh
05:17:48
Brian Atlasyep so I don't know lot of Truth in that one too stop oppressing me sorry you know uh you know male privilege and he even apologize for something he didn't
05:18:00
Andrew Wilsondo wrong because class privilege and oppression is not about race but they all are factors within each other point the point isn't that he's at work the point is the kind of work he's doing MH the kind of work he's doing is not the kind of work that women do pretty much
05:18:12
Andrew Wilsonever anywhere at any time for any reason that's that's the privilege so the Privileges are you systematically oppressed why your sewers are taking care of for you why you have air conditioning why you live in modernity
05:18:24
Andrew Wilsonand all modern technology and every dangerous job on planet Earth is done by men is that oppressive having a baby is a pretty dangerous job resp no it's not it's very safe job how are you
05:18:34
Andrew Wilsongoing to say that because I can look at infant mortality rates and from pregnant from pregnant women and the the mortality rates of the mother is a very safe
05:18:45
Andrew Wilsonjob very very safe for women to have the differen is okay like you're doing that that's your job and then we've got our own job like that's okay yeah you do you have a job um but you demand to have
05:18:57
Andrew Wilsonalso egalitarianism inside Society between the sexes the thing is is like your job is clearly far less valuable than our job because without us maintaining the entirety of the
05:19:09
Andrew Wilsoninfrastructure for which women's pampered asses can even uh exist inside of society they would collapse and how do I know this because I have 2200 years
05:19:20
Andrew Wilsonof History to look at to watch the progression of them literally folding like cheap chairs and being passed between enemy armies like it was nothing they were literally ch attle if we
05:19:32
Andrew Wilsondecided that they were and instead we have massive amounts of technological uh advancements which have allowed for women to even exist in modernity and instead of being praised for it men are
05:19:44
J'Quan (Jaquan)treated like absolute garbage for doing I you guys are great Brian you should have brought up my video that I had responding to this I I had a video I posted a um video with when it asked uh
05:19:54
J'Quan (Jaquan)a woman was asked who did she think was better or who was stronger or what were women better at than men and she said everything and I responded to that wait
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J'Quan (Jaquan)was it on the show no no I I I posted I had um resp is it on your Instagram or Tik Tok yeah it's like a one minute reaction is it pretty we can we can pull it up I can send it I can send it to the the DM to the whatever DM yeah or we can just try to search for what it's on your
05:20:18
Brian AtlasInstagram yeah it's on my Instagram is it pretty close to the top it should be Nick just pull up his Instagram that's probably the easiest uh you can also send a message send the actual video to the the
05:20:29
Brian Atlaswhatever Instagram and Nick can also so pull it up that way um oh yeah I found it already Okay oh he already he's he's already got it yeah you can send it
05:20:38
Brian Atlasthrough he's on it send it he is on it uh good talk good talk okay so what do you guys think about um birth control
05:20:50
Brian Atlaswho show of hands who's on birth control just curious anybody on birth control I've never been on birth control anybody birth control birth I did the I once okay I just I just send it Nick all right Nick
05:21:02
TTS/Donationsif you can pull that up that's not a fun oh while Nick is pulling that up hold on we very off see you cost donated $200 both the KKK and black panthers
05:21:14
TTS/Donationswere co-opted by the FBI Co inel Pro in order to divide the Races they have a lot in common oh theot toos thank you Mane
05:21:26
Brian Atlasthank you thank you it's actually a pretty good point now that I think about it all right we we have uh hold on I'll just show this one really quick and then we'll pull up the uh the video we have
05:21:37
Brian AtlasJoe the giant they have done studies on the DNA test conversation from earlier it showed 33% of children are not with their real fathers and the fathers have no clue I just want to just so we can be
05:21:48
Brian Atlasfactual here the numbers that you're referencing it's not it's not looking at the entire population it's the study is they're
05:21:57
Brian Atlaslooking at the cohort of men who have who have SE to to get paternity testing so of course that's going to likely yield a higher represent because they
05:22:10
Mason Gregoirethey see in their partner attendance like their behaviors that would lead them to indicate that there's been I think it's 33% among all married couples
05:22:21
Brian Atlasbut of the men who do challenge paternity it is uh I don't know if I'm just going to take your word for it that
05:22:28
Andrew Wilsonis 33% but yeah uh Nick you got the video but that would show though that it's it's likely vastly under reported
05:22:38
Mason Gregoireyes absolutely absolutely it does it does give me reason to be like okay I want a Pity test oh hold on hold on we'll juston donated
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TTS/Donations$100 Andrew how can you say having a baby is a safe job almost every woman I know that's had a baby has ended up in the hospital because of the pregnancy Fe
05:23:03
Andrew Wilsonwhat was I thinking safest job ever sorry most unsafe they all ended up in the hospital all right we can pull up the video was so safe the hospital wouldn't
05:23:15
Andrew Wilsonbe needed but okay I mean it's not you can have your babies at home we did it for thousands of years death R higher for women yeah the infant mortality rate was usually due to infections and post
05:23:28
Andrew Wilsonpostmortem right and that's what the hospital prevents yeah okay but you can prevent it now too because you have this cool thing called an alcohol pad and you understand how infections work and so
05:23:38
Andrew Wilsonthe thing is it's like plenty of women go ahead and have babies at home and the postmortem not really a problem I would actually be fasinated to see like in the
05:23:49
Mason GregoireUS now for the people who choose to have their babies at home what is the infant mortality rate compared to having in the hospital they also have probably a midwife too they're not going to I'd be interested to know that by themselves
05:24:01
Rosie Geneneanym especially with especially with like current legislation like we would be held liable if things went wrong well no all I'm saying is like I just want
05:24:10
Mason Gregoireto like given like a having Sol like Medical Solutions at home like I know I know people specifically who choose to have home Birds I want to have if I ever
05:24:21
Miss D. MarieI want home so like I just I'm intrigued to know what that statistic would be just so I could be able like to see if anything's changed or like what yeah I get I mean I I agree I be interested too
05:24:32
Brian Atlasdid you mean postpartum instead of postmortem oh yeah postpartum just wanted I saw some chats there just wanted to clarify um okay up is this the one yeah yeah I just break it down and ask a simple
05:24:47
Brian Atlasquestion audio would be helpful you'll probably need a re re can you make it a little bigger also H Instagram's so whack
05:24:57
SPEAKER_14their audio player it's dog or their video player my bad women are better than men at everything everything guys are super now I'm not going to respond to this all crazy but what we are going to do is create a scenario let's say that
05:25:10
SPEAKER_14everything that a male human has ever discovered built constructed thought of innovated renovated created gone obliterated instantaneously everywhere on the face of the planet technological
05:25:23
SPEAKER_14advancements Transportation the power grid infrastructure stem medicine all of it gone eradicated now to to mention Law and Order and protection I'm talking dog
05:25:33
SPEAKER_14breeds Newton's laws of motion and energy held of Pythagorean theorem go even the animals including the Predators that been drove to Extinction reintroduced and now women have to reconstruct Society from the ground up
05:25:45
SPEAKER_14without the aid of a man or anything that a man invented that includes instructions as well and women have to accomplish this either pregnant or men stated men are incapable of doing anything to help now What Becomes of
05:25:57
Brian Atlassociety and Humanity within just one year then okay also we have we had a chat here that came in from theot toos thank you man Lumber workers have 10x higher death
05:26:08
Brian Atlasrates than mothers everything is a lie uh Q did you want to add anything to the video or no no it was all laid out right there okay so this is a this is a
05:26:19
Andrew Wilsonthought experiment and it's an excellent thought experiment and so that I've I've made similar thought experiments as well and so have thousands of other people who's just kind of saying yeah had a
05:26:30
Andrew Wilsonwand and all the men were gone tomorrow for whatever reason how could Society maintain itself absent men and when you really start to break
05:26:42
Andrew Wilsondown thought experiment you start to dive into all the jobs that they do everything that they're into uh the distinctions in just skill-based not to mention the physiological differences like the fact that women really can't do
05:26:54
Andrew Wilsona lot of the men's jobs that's one of the big things that is a big lie too women really can't they're not even physiologically equipped to be outside for long periods of time doing things like Roofing asphalt laying their body
05:27:06
Andrew Wilsoncan't even regulate temperature the same way so what happens is society after one year to answer to your thought experiment is completely destroyed and
05:27:16
J'Quan (Jaquan)99% of the life on it is gone with it that's what I think or human life I think animal life it's got plenty to
05:27:25
J'Quan (Jaquan)eat it's that's why I say the Predators that we drove to Extinction reintroduced yep far you got I thought you had thoughts on this topic I said you could
05:27:36
Brian Atlasbe sexist towards men oh what that okay yeah no no but what Andrew just said like I guess I would hesitate much EMP you dunked on me you you clip you did a little clip on me like cuz I was like I
05:27:49
Brian Atlassaid oh yeah would hit the fan if all men disappeared he gets so mad at me cuz comment call him stupid I'm not mad at you I'm not mad I'm just reeling you into the conversation now that you had 6
05:28:00
Farha Khanmonths to digest our argument you want to bring it back up what you what was that 6 months ago how's that relevant at all I don't know why it's fresh on your mind what are you talk we're literally
05:28:11
Farha Khantalking about the topic at hand it just seems kind of fresh we' yes I'm deeply I'm deeply triggered by he's been like seting for six months waiting it's just like you have a show three times a week
05:28:23
Farha Khanwith 10 new people and it just seemed like I don't know elephant memory compliment that he remembers it after doing shows where there's 10 but yeah I mean I would agree with you I
05:28:34
Farha Khanthink like men are generally undervalued and I think feminists do kind of absorb and regurgitate a lot of buzzwords without understanding like where those arguments actually came from in feminist literature I would hesitate to put too much emphasis in male bronze because the labor force you know what I mean is
05:28:47
Andrew WilsonShifting towards valuing brains over bronze and I think that's why we're that's a destiny argument I get from him yeah but he's wrong I didn't just like you're wrong about it it's actually not the fact of the matter is that we're not
05:28:58
Andrew Wilsonreally able to replace Braun very well all for instance for instance where's all of our robotic roofers you ever seen one I'm sure we'll get there soon oh wait really how how do you think that they're going to you're going to get
05:29:10
Farha Khanrobot roofers to go to people's individual houses and Patch roofs I don't know we have like military robots now I wasn't even disputing your point that men should be valued more I was more so just saying that like I think the reason men are struggling partly is
05:29:23
Farha Khanbecause they're feeling like a sense of cultural redundancy because a lot of the labor market is focusing on brains over bronze and women are out actually happened was that women were told to go to college College was highly overvalued
05:29:34
Andrew Wilsonand now as everybody can do it the market is becoming inundated because it's tailored to the lowest common denominator meaning if you lower the standards so that everybody can do it
05:29:45
Andrew Wilsonright the standards necessarily become lower to accommodate the most amount of people so more and more people got a college degree the Market's completely saturated with it but it wasn't before
05:29:56
Andrew Wilsonso women accelerated but you'll see that that Gap it's closing is closing quickly and you see the Gap in pay with trades between even stem Fields that's closing quickly too it's going to continue to
05:30:08
Andrew Wilsonclose because we can't actually get rid of the big thing which is the brawn the thing women can't bring to the table which is they can't they can't do road
05:30:17
Andrew Wilsonwork they can't do Roofing they can't do any of the really intrinsic or hard bronze based labor don't you think a lot of those jobs have diminished over time because now things are getting built and they're like architecture is sustaining
05:30:31
Andrew Wilsonfor a long time so I feel like those jobs are becoming smaller top two jobs that you would say for men that you would want immigrants to come in and do what what do you think I don't understand wait what do you think that
05:30:43
Andrew Wilsonmale immigrants when they come in right for work you would want more of them to come in and work and expand the economy what would you say the male immigrants usually do usually
05:30:56
Andrew WilsonDoh I I genuinely don't know what would you think you're in you're in California and there's kind of something stereotyp yeah the general stereotype of what
05:31:08
Andrew Wilsonimmigrants who come in from South of the Border are doing is what dishwashing no something paid under the table they work in farms they were literally work on fun the it's like the most famous thing in California ever is that they work it's
05:31:21
Andrew Wilsoneverywhere even that number is going down like used to be 90% of Americans are farmers and my point is like now it's shrinking it's my point okay yeah yeah yeah but the the my point to you back is that it's an ever expanding field a necessary ever expanding field
05:31:32
Andrew Wilsonbecause people need to eat yes because the amount of people that are necessary to feed the amount of people necessarily grows so it's expanding expanding expanding now with a birth rate contraction we might have problems with that later and we will but
05:31:45
Andrew Wilsonwhat I'm saying is that with that expansion of people comes the expansion of necessity of houses and all those other things that grow the GDP that progressives like you and Destiny would love to have happen so much which means
05:31:57
Andrew Wilsonthat no you're going to have to actually expand the and that's what you're going to see his projection totally wrong and that projection there of eliminating The Braun or moving away from Braun that's not true we're moving towards it again
05:32:10
Farha Khanthere was a a limited market saturation now that's changing again I genuinely have not heard him say that like I do my own research and reading but um come on far I genuinely don't come on far I'm kidding I'm joking that was a funny joke I feel like I always have to wipe his
05:32:23
Farha Khanpiss off of me cuz I feel like people think cuz we're friends I like absorb his arguments but like we do not coign on each other's arguments well that's a destiny argument just so you know okay I'm not saying that you got it from him
05:32:36
Farha KhanI'm just saying something I hear him regurgitate when he's arguing I mean we probably read some of the same stuff but um yeah like I said I wasn't trying to undervalue the necessity for like bronze and like manual labor I was more so
05:32:47
Farha Khansaying that like I think just treating the value of masculinity as just being synonymous with bronze I feel like is just only responding to like a very marginal percent of like what men are doing is my point because that's going
05:32:59
Andrew Wilsondown yeah we're not really associating masculinity with Brawn as much as talking about the necessity of Braun in society Butler donated $100 Brian how can you let the girl in
05:33:11
TTS/Donationsred tell you 10 men ran a train on her without mentioning condoms do not protect from genital herpes and she definitely has it I've in CDC incoming
05:33:22
Brian Atlasnuke isn't that the dude always makes the every every show it's he's a bit late you're a little late Jay Butler yeah uh I was wondering where you were um the nuke hold
05:33:37
Brian Atlason okay there there it is all right the nuke has been sent um all right um here we actually have a couple videos kind of related to this Nick if you can go in
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Brian Atlasthe videos tab the men tab uh iron workers iron workers one oil rig Powerline snow rough
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Brian Atlasnecks and then electrical worker uh why don't you pull those up we also got one do we do the Burge Khalifa one nah it's okay we don't have to do
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Brian Atlasthat one if you can get all those pulled up um send me that video you made videos men and then IR iron workers Ru next
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Brian Atlaselectrical worker I don't it's podcast videos okay no you're in the wrong it's podcast videos men in the Dropbox
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Brian Atlasfolder so so hold on while you do that I'm going to get some I'll I'll do some chats Nick can you pull up the OBS please so we can uh oh wait hold on I'll come back to that okay Bean cheeks does far aware
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Brian Atlasframes without glasses Liberals are not intellectuals with your social media talk on sex you keep outing yourself as being non virgin you can keep up the act for simps but real man real man see
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Farha Khanthrough the BS not real men also is your dental hygiene bad I never see you smile I feel like I smile sometimes um if I was trying to like keep up some Act of being a virgin why would I be currently
05:35:02
Farha Khanturning out content of skits where I talk about having high body counts like if it was an act why would I be putting out the content that he says counteracts me being a virgin it just doesn't make any sense is that the old like hideout
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Brian Atlasin the right in the open right they're just like referring to like skits I put out yeah um they're not taking in the
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Brian Atlascontext okay it's iron workers power line snow rough necks electrical worker oil rig that's five videos they're all kind of right in close proximity to the
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Brian Atlasother here okay while you do that bean cheeks the KKK does have power but in the form of the Democrats if you do not know that look up the history on the party that created the KKK and then tell
05:35:48
Brian Atlasme if you still a left-leaning Democrat if so you f fully support the KKK as they oppress blacks mhm from beating
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Brian Atlascheeks there you have it folks thank you cheeks appreciate it brother we have llama dis Sky Mar c buku for the Canadian 50 I've worked in tech for years Braun will not be replaced because
05:36:10
Brian Atlasit's still cheaper to hire a man roofer than to operate and maintain an advanced robot to do the job to the same level it's actually easier to replace the simpler brain jobs right that's actually
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SPEAKER_12very true yep okay interesting thank you uh thank you there uh you got them Nick soers workers State Building those are pulled up and then uh you said Steel
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SPEAKER_12Workers Local steel workers and then what else did you want wait read them
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SPEAKER_12read them one more time workers one ire State build what wait different are you in the video's men
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Brian Atlasfolder yeah uh you said Iron Workers I thought yeah pull it up for me no
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Brian Atlaspodcast videos men podcast videos
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Brian Atlasmen come on Nick come on said multi I said multiple time all right um okay here we have another chat here uh modest Tama we know some of the
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Brian Atlaspanel doesn't live in reality already panel what is a woman I guess we'll go around the table on this what is a
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Rosie Genenewoman I feel like I'm walking into a trap with this crew of people here you said trap I'm just
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Rosie GeneneKidd but um I would say being a woman is more than biological I think that's female versus male I think being a woman
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Rosie Geneneis um an identity and something that you
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Rosie Geneneknow I don't quite know how to explain it I just feel like it's something
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Rosie Genenethat yeah I don't know I'm blanking actually I'm sorry you're asking me I'm going to pass for now
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Miss D. Mariewhat okay
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Miss D. Marieum a woman someone who was born with the correct chromosomes correct to makes them a
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Kimberlywoman um I agree with M Misty um a woman is someone that is born of W so you know
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TTS/Donationswhat a woman is Vash the Stampede donated $100 oh there you have it I'll help it's an adult female it's not it's not you're wrong it's an adult human
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Brian Atlasfemale adult human female okay there you have it modest Comm there you have it uh Nick do you have the videos that's a awesome name
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Brian Atlasthough Vash MP try gun uh excent yes try gun good anime uh make it one bigger I think it's could to be zoomed in one
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Brian Atlasbigger well can you start from the beginning you got some iron workers here wait just mute the audio just mute
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Brian Atlasthe audio all right okay scary scary right yeah they're indeed I see two men probably all right okay and then you
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Brian Atlashave the operators and yeah uh next video Nick you can pause that one oh I just wanted iron workers one which videos do you have pulled up just X out
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SPEAKER_12of that Y which which tell me which ones you have pulled up and I'll two and then oil rig and then the last one was okay I need here we already
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Brian Atlaslooked at iron workers one I need electrical worker oil rig Powerline snow rough
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Brian Atlasnecks just can you get one going one of them going yeah yeah I have such a juicy after
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Brian Atlasthat it sounded sarcastic all right we got look at there's a look at that you can maybe one bigger so it's full screen like full screen I think you could probably go one
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Brian Atlasmore maybe is it moving or just the ocean around it yeah I think is there currently men on moving it's probably it's probably all men on there okay I think the
05:40:54
Mason Gregoirecamera's moving next one no so the actual PL platform it's is moving right it's to something so yeah no it's its Center of mass is below the surface of
05:41:06
Mason Gregoirethe ocean so it doesn't like wobble side to side but it goes up and down go ahead Nick you can next y all right oh hell
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Brian Atlasno no the no no no all right so here's a guy on a a power line I believe he's in I believe this is uh in China and it's snowing
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Brian Atlasand he's connected to it it's probably what 100 100 plus foot drop probably more Lally crap myself that's so scary and uh he's connected oh is he
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Brian Atlasdisconnecting himself from his or wait I don't know I can he's disconnecting himself he can reconnect himself on the other side yeah how far down does that
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Brian Atlaslook uh that's pretty far hundreds of feet
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Brian Atlasso oh he he is somewhat you know in the snow crazy that's wild anxiety okay he's fixing something on
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Brian Atlasthe power line okay next one we got got another one pretty simple job we got another one we got another one here got uh what what do we
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Brian Atlasgot got the you know the other ones you know the other ones definitely