4v4 Debate GOD Andrew Wilson vs. Feminists! Virgin GIGACHAD! Jaquan! Farha! | Dating Talk #124

Date: 2023-12-04

Duration: 5h 58m

Guests

Brian Atlas

RRosie Genene >

MMiss D. Marie >

KKimberly (DT124)>

MMadison (SBCC)>

QQ Jquan (DT139)>

MMason Gregoire >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_04Miss D. Marie(guest)

SPEAKER_05Rosie Genene(guest)

SPEAKER_06Farha Khan(guest)

SPEAKER_08Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Mason Gregoire(guest)

SPEAKER_11Kimberly(guest)

SPEAKER_13J'Quan (Jaquan)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroRosie Genene introduces herself: 32yo patient care advocate for oncology pharmacy and part-time YouTube vlogger (quirky love rose).

“hello my name is Rosie genene I go by quirky love rose on the internet I am 32 just had my birthday a couple weeks ago I am a full-time patient care advocate for a specialty pharmacy specializing oncology as well as a part-time vlogger on YouTube”

IntroFarha Khan introduces herself: 24yo content creator on TikTok/Instagram; best content on OnlyFans.

“hi my name is far KH I'm 24 years old um I'm a content creator on Tik Tok and Instagram but my best content is on onlyfans.com”

IntroMiss D. Marie introduces herself: actress and model, from Seattle, resides in LA.

“uh Miss D Marie uh I just had a birthday too and I'm an actress plus model I'm from Seattle but I reside in La”

IntroKimberly introduces herself: 22yo caregiver/babysitter from Indio near Coachella.

“hello my name is Kimberly I'm 22 years old I'm a caregiver SL babysitter and I'm from Indio by Coachella”

IntroMadison introduces herself: 19yo from San Diego, full-time SBCC business student, Whatever Podcast staff, and bar host at The Quill.

“my name is Madison I'm 19 years old I'm from San Diego California I'm a full-time student at Santa Barbara City College studying business I work for the whatever podcast and I'm a host at a bar the qill”

IntroJ'Quan introduces himself: 30yo behavioral scientist, certified relationship coach, YouTuber, influencer, book author.

“30 years old behavioral scientist certified relationship coach YouTuber influencer book author”

IntroMason Gregoire introduces himself: 27yo, primarily a Christ follower, mechanical engineer, content creator, competitive powerlifter.

“Mason greguar um as always uh primarily a Christ follower um I am a mechanical engineer content creator uh competitive powerlifter uh 27 years old”

IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself: host of The Crucible; content creator; works in robotics; 39 years old; happily married.

“name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible um so I I guess I'm mostly a content creator now I also work um kind of in the same type of field except in robotics um 39 years old happily married”

QuoteMason Gregoire confirms he is a virgin waiting until marriage for religious reasons (Christian conviction).

“yeah it's uh it's for religious reasons well I mean as a Christian it's something I'm convicted of I mean the Bible speaks on it all the time so that's stance I take on that and uh I take it seriously and more so that you're also you're waiting till marriage yes I'm also waiting till marriage”

QuoteRosie discloses being groomed into feederism (death feederism) by a stalker she met in 2012-2013 who later hacked her Cash App and cloned her phone number in 2021.

“hi my name is Rosie and I was groomed into feederism feederism is a kink like a sexual King regarding feeding someone generally for the purpose of them being fat or getting fat”

QuoteRosie discloses attending BBW swinger parties in Atlanta area in 2019 and having up to 10 partners in one night during her post-breakup 'party phase.'

“at one night 10 was that like an intentional goal like you went in no it actually was kind of accidental I just like I was very laid fair about life at the time”

Key MomentAndrew Wilson debates Farha Khan on the ethics of OnlyFans consumption under her claim 'there is no ethical consumption under capitalism.' Andrew points out this implies OnlyFans consumption is either unethical or morally neutral.

“they can't be ethically neutral if she says every single time is she say no ethical not unethical those are two different things yes so it's so everything under your worldview then when it comes to capitalism is either immoral or morally neutral”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues body shaming serves a legitimate societal corrective function — shame keeps people from publicly normalizing unhealthy behaviors and discourages others from following the same path.

“the constructive criticism it's a shaming tactic so that everybody who sees a person like you out there trying to say it's okay... they're trying to instill a sense of shame so that if other women see that they don't go that road”

Key MomentAndrew Wilson states he required his wife to get a paternity test regardless of his trust in her, and if she objected he would leave.

“you're going to get the test and if not I'm out the door period”

QuoteMisty (Miss D. Marie) rates herself a 10 and defends it as self-love philosophy: 'I am a Misty 10.'

“I took a long time for me to love myself and I do now and so yeah I think that like you know I'm I'm my I'm a misty 10”

Key MomentSelf-ratings round: Rosie 8, Farha 8.5, Misty 10, Mason 10, Kimberly 7, Madison 8, Andrew Wilson 4, Brian 5. Andrew Wilson defends his 4 as an objective assessment; debates Rosie and Misty on subjective vs. objective beauty standards.

“eight today 8.5 8 8.5 I'm a 10 seven eight 6.5 uh I'd say 7.5 to 8 four... I I used to say six I'm a five in front of all these beautiful women how could I ever not humble myself down to a four”

QuoteRosie discloses her body count is approximately 50-60.

“probably somewhere between 50 to 60”

OtherBrian refuses to rebook Gabby or Shannon after they flaked on the show day-of, calling it a breach of commitment. Misty reads Gabby's text message (about her dating situation, not an apology), which Brian dismisses.

“I'm not considering them again for future shows because if you're going to do that to us there's there's no guarantee that you're not going to just flake last minute again”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship statuses

Brian introduces panel: Rosie (32, patient care advocate/vlogger, single 2.5yr, ex-fat acceptance), Farha (24, content creator/OnlyFans, single 1.5yr/fabstinent), Miss D. Marie/Misty (24, actress/model, single 4yr), Kimberly (22, caregiver, single 1.5yr), Madison (19, SBCC/Whatever staff, in relationship 1yr3mo), J'Quan (30, behavioral scientist/coach/author, single), Mason Gregoire (27, mechanical engineer/virgin/powerlifter, single), Andrew Wilson (39, The Crucible, married).

Three guests cancelled day-of; show discussion

Brian explains three originally scheduled guests (Gabby, Shannon, and a third) flaked on the day of taping. Gabby cancelled for a paid Nike modeling shoot. Shannon had logistical issues getting a ride (was going to ride with Gabby). Brian vents about flake culture affecting production. Misty (Miss D. Marie) had planned to give Gabby and Shannon a ride. Brian states he will not rebook Gabby or Shannon.

Plus-size dating: would you date a plus-size man/woman

Initially a plus-size panel theme. Rosie (self-described 'super fat') discusses logistical challenges of dating another plus-size person. Explains the fat spectrum (small fats, mid fats, large fats, super fats, infinity fats). Discusses her history in fat acceptance movement (since 2013) and her departure. Now pursuing health improvement; approved for Mounjaro. Disclosed feederism grooming story (stalker, 2012-2021). Discussion of feederism vs. death feederism. Misty discusses attraction to athletic men despite being plus-size herself.

Rosie Genene's feederism and BBW party history

Rosie discloses being groomed into feederism by a stalker in 2012-2013. Explains feederism (sexual kink around feeding to gain weight) and death feederism (feeding to the point of death). Her viral TikTok on the topic on We're All Insane podcast with D'Ora. Separately discloses attending BBW (Big Beautiful Women) parties and swinger parties in Atlanta-area Georgia during a breakup in 2019. States she had up to 10 partners in one night during this period. Body count ~50-60.

Brian's and panelists' preferences in partners

Extended round of each panelist stating dating preferences. Brian: slight preference for Asian/white women, petite, natural (no plastic surgery, no makeup, no perfume), introverted/modest, low body count. Farha: intelligent man, no porn/strip clubs, high sexual discipline. Misty: athletic, ~5'10" minimum height, intelligent, spiritual. Kimberly: wants dates/activities, someone serious about relationships. Madison: committed, honest, loyal. J'Quan: cute face, nice waist-hip ratio, emotionally stable, high conscientiousness, introverted types. Mason: devout Christian, marriage-minded, virgin or willing to repent, wants large family. Andrew Wilson: 'unicorn' — woman who prioritizes duty over self-interest.

Plastic surgery debate

Brian explains why he prefers natural women: associates cosmetic surgery with body dysmorphia, vanity, high maintenance, and misrepresentation of genetics for offspring. Andrew Wilson asks if Brian would recommend surgery to a hypothetical plain-looking daughter to boost her confidence. Brian argues getting in the gym is far more effective and authentic. Andrew frames surgery preference as signaling women prioritizing self over duty. Discussion of breast implants, BBL, lipo, veneers, rhinoplasty.

OnlyFans ethics and capitalism debate

Farha makes claim 'there is no ethical consumption under capitalism.' Andrew Wilson debates her on the logical implications: is OnlyFans consumption then unethical or merely morally neutral? Farha clarifies she misspoke — meant to say the ethical landscape is more complex. Extended philosophical debate on whether ethical positives exist under capitalism. Andrew and Farha debate strawmanning, moral absolutes, and Farha's dyslexia affecting her phrasing.

Body shaming as a societal tool

Andrew Wilson defends body shaming as a societal corrective mechanism to disincentivize obesity. Rosie argues shame is harmful and encourages eating disorder mindsets. Andrew cites shame's historical role in maintaining social standards. Farha asks whether random cruel comments (gorlock, hippo) are really a societal correction tool or just sadism. Brian admits he retitled a past episode 'gorlock the Destroyer' for searchability, not as a societal statement. Extended debate over whether public figures promoting body acceptance should be subject to public critique.

Confidence vs. modesty in women

Rosie asks whether confidence or modesty is more important in women from a male perspective. Brian: prefers modest women who approach him nervously over confidently. Andrew Wilson: confidence is a more masculine trait; men look for feminine traits (modesty) in women. J'Quan agrees, adding that church/clergy focus on male pride issues. Mason concurs. Farha and Rosie push back on gendering of traits.

Mandatory paternity testing debate

Brian asks whether mandatory paternity testing would help or hurt women. Andrew Wilson: strongly for it; required his own wife to get one regardless of trust. Mason: agrees, notes accidental hospital baby mix-ups. Rosie: concerned about government overreach but acknowledges it could help with child support enforcement. Farha: objects philosophically — adds a bureaucratic layer, prefers individual autonomy. Andrew dismantles her trust-based objections. Brian cites disputed statistic that 33% of children may not belong to the father they believe is their father.

Self-ratings (looks 1-10)

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks. Ratings (in order): Rosie: 8. Farha: 8.5. Misty: 10. J'Quan (implied). Mason: 10. Kimberly: 7. Madison: 8. Andrew Wilson: 4. Brian: 5. Debate erupts over Rosie and Misty's ratings. Andrew Wilson challenges them on subjective vs. objective attractiveness standards. Rosie defends her 8 as self-esteem rather than comparison. Misty defends 10 as self-love philosophy. Andrew argues ratings must account for external perceptions.

Body count round and double standards

Brian goes around table asking body counts. Rosie: 50-60. Farha: 0 (disputed by Andrew, citing her scripted TikTok skits). Misty: 8-9 (Brian estimate; she declined). Kimberly: did not clearly state. Madison: did not disclose. J'Quan: 'lost count; been around the block' (previously said 50-60 in another context). Mason: 0 (virgin). Andrew Wilson: married/declined. Brian: 8-9. Extended debate on whether body count double standards are justified. Rosie argues the double standard exists but doesn't make it wrong. Andrew argues it is entirely rational and evolutionarily grounded.

Patriarchy, white male privilege, feminism debate

Brian asks whether panelists consider themselves feminist. Rosie: no (not exactly); uses systemic definition. Farha: yes by Brian's most generous definition (advocates for women's rights). Misty: mixed. Kimberly: no. Madison: not labelled. J'Quan and Andrew: no. Debate over whether feminism fights for equality or only for women's benefit. Brian argues feminists would not support conscription for women. Andrew argues feminists' core principle of egalitarianism is internally inconsistent given their opposition to outcomes that don't benefit women. Debate over racism toward white people and sexism toward men (systemic power definitions). Reaction to memes about male privilege (D-Day, oil rigs, power line workers). Andrew argues men maintain civilization's infrastructure.

Dating deal breakers reaction (Reddit post)

Brian reacts to a Reddit post from a 29-year-old man listing his dating deal breakers: cheated in the past, takes recreational drugs regularly, incurable STD, in a situationship/FWB, poor hygiene, sex worker (online or in person), extreme political views, single mother. Panel discusses whether the list is too strict. Rosie objects to single mother as blanket deal breaker. Farha objects to cheating-in-past as absolute. Andrew defends the list. J'Quan notes past cheating is a leading predictor of future cheating.

Can you be sexist against men / racist against white people

Brian asks the panel. Rosie: women cannot be sexist to men under systemic definition; racism requires systemic power. Farha: believes you can be sexist to men; applies systemic-power definition to racism. Misty: can be sexist to men (no); can be racist to white people (yes, location-dependent). Kimberly: cannot be sexist to men; can be racist to white people. Madison and Andrew: yes to both. Brian posits: could Barack Obama as president have held racist views toward a white homeless person? Misty says yes, some would value the white homeless man above the black president. Extended debate on systemic power, epigenetics, and the moral equivalence of bigotry vs. racism.

Reactions to dangerous male jobs videos

Brian and Andrew react to videos of male-dominated dangerous jobs: iron workers on high-rises, oil rig workers, power line workers in snow (China), helicopter-attached power line workers. Discussion of how infrastructure jobs are almost entirely male-staffed. Andrew argues this constitutes men sustaining civilization's physical infrastructure with their lives while women benefit from it. Panel debates whether these men are forced to do these jobs vs. voluntary. Mason argues 2,200 years of history shows women cannot maintain infrastructure without men.

Closing discussion and wrap-up

Brian wraps up. Final discussion: Gabby's message read by Misty (she sent texts about dating situation rather than an apology; Brian uninterested). Brian on commitment ethics — argues once you commit to an appearance you should honor it even if a better opportunity arises. Brief discussion of upcoming Thursday debate show. Brian thanks panel and closes.

Transcript

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Rosie Genenepeople should mutually be super excited to be together and if that's not there then I'm not interested I see and you mentioned uh you've got standards what do you consider yourself

Rosie Genenepicky yes and no MH I feel like I just know what I want and I'm not going to settle for something that I find

Brian Atlasboring or uninteresting or not the right fit yeah and you mentioned you you kind of know what you're looking for you've got standards so I'm just curious like kind of what what are your standards what are you looking for and we're going

Brian Atlasto go around the table uh for everybody on this what are you looking for what are your standards if there's any like uh trying to think of the term here

Brian Atlasum uh mus haves you know some people have bare minimums you know height-wise income stuff like that personality traits for me personality

Rosie Genenetraits are the biggest for me it's like I want us to have SIM similar moral compasses okay um I you know I'm an ex Mormon so I'm not really interested in

Rosie Genenebeing with someone who's like super religious of any capacity because and like that's like I respect other people's beliefs but my lived experience I think that would be difficult for like a committed relationship so when you say

Andrew Wilsonmoral compass you mean a lack of moral compass no I mean um I'm a very spiritual person and I have I didn't sorry I didn't mean it as an insult

Andrew Wilsonsaying if you bring up you say this person X was hyper religious right so so you don't want that quality so if that's not the quality that you want then it

Rosie Geneneseems like you're looking for an absence no of of okay so what what would be the morals you're talking about what I'm looking for is someone who has a moral

Rosie Genenecompass that's driven by the desire to do good and be good without needing um someone telling them to be that way

Rosie Genenebecause you can be an atheist and be the most kind philanthropic person but that does not mean that you can be hyper religious and not be evil yeah I agree

Rosie Genenebut does that mean you're looking for an atheist no um I mean just someone who's not hyper religious if they're Christian but they're not hyper religious I would

Andrew Wilsonbe fine with that they were spiritual they were Jewish they were atheist ethnos when when you say this sorry to just kind of want to dive in on this a little bit when you say not hyper

Rosie Genenereligious what does that mean like they don't go to church every Sunday FAL fanatical or I mean um if they went to church every Sunday but they weren't trying to convert me that'd be fine as

Rosie Genenelong as I was wasn't forced to go to church like so to me it's just so you don't so what it is is you don't want a partner to uh move their morality

Rosie Genenetowards you that's the or expect me to align with their religious beliefs because I believe or just beliefs and moralities do not have to be intrinsically tied even if they are for

Andrew Wilsona lot of people okay so you're not looking really for a person who shares your morals but just a person who won't force their morals on you correct but I would want them to have a certain level

Rosie Geneneof right but just like not a seral killer that type thing but I'm just not necessarily like boxing on like they they need to be Christian they need to be this they need to you know what about height height I mean I I have a

Rosie Genenepreference but well how how tell you what's your prence I I prefer like you know I'm 56 so um six and up is like perfect but um I dated someone for a

Rosie Genenereally long time who was 5'9 that was great for me okay um but yeah just a little bit taller than me is is like bare minimum preference but um I would date someone if everything else was

Farha Khanperfect and they were shorter than me like being Short's not a deal breaker okay um far what about you what do you uh what you looking for um I don't care too much about height Builder physique I

Farha Khando want someone with super high sexual discipline so a guy who has a low body count preferably since I am waiting to marry and I'd prefer a guy or no this is a deal breaker I wouldn't dat a

TTS/Donationsguy grid One Motorsports donated $200 when the only thing you can bring to a relationship is being fat selling your fatness online and ebbing on

Rosie Genenedisability how much of a moral compass can you possibly have if you think my fatness is a

Rosie Genenenegative quality that's not my problem I'm not here to please anybody I'm here to be me share my story I am employed I

Rosie Genenedo a lot and I'm disabled and if you're disabled and unemployed that's okay too the bottom line is what I choose to do

Rosie Genenewith myself and my interactions with other people defines who I am and I really just I am not interested in people who are committed and

Brian Atlasmisunderstanding me yeah all right uh we'll come back to you far uh Al let's just uh just uh let's avoid any sort of name calling

Farha Khanif we can with the uh chat and the uh TTS guys thank you go ahead yeah high sexual discipline um I went date a guy who watches porn or goes to strip clubs or anything like that and ideally wait

Farha Khanyou wouldn't dat a guy who watches porn nope but you yep do o yep is that a seems like maybe a double standard is the double no it's not I could be a college professor but not date students I could work at a soup kitchen and not date a homeless guy just

Andrew Wilsonbecause I monetized off a demographic doesn't mean I have to date them well let's get into this little so let's start with why do you prefer that they not watch porn um because it affects parir bonding it desensitizes you to

Andrew Wilsonyour partner it can lead to erectile dysfunction all those things if you were responsible for causing those things in a man would you be doing an immoral action um potentially and are you

Farha Khanparticipating in doing those immoral actions to men no just because I think maybe you're less of a good romantic partner that doesn't mean you're less of a moral person because I don't think you would be a good husband for me doesn't mean I'm deeming you degenerate or a bad

Andrew Wilsonperson you just said that all of those are bad qualities that you said that not objectively bad for me personally what I'm looking for finish me finish you

Andrew Wilsonsaid that any a person who was causing those problems in men would be doing something immoral no I didn't say that so is it if is if a person's contributing to causing that in men are they doing something immoral so if I'm a

Farha Khanlesbian and I only want to date women don't ask me a question don't ask me a question answer my question no I'm giving I'm explaining to you just question L listen don't ask me is this inconsistent I'm going to ask you a question if I'm a lesbian and I only

Farha Khanwant to date women as soon as you answer my question content answer my question think she's trying to no she's asking me a question she's evading my point asking a question is not answering my question then I'll answer your question your question has

Andrew Wilsonno bearing on this discuss then answer it what was your question okay one more time since you everything to avoid it if you contribute to those same problems that is are against your preference in a

Farha Khanmate okay those same issues are you doing something immoral nope no same way like I just said if I'm a lesbian who puts out pornographic content for men to consume it's not inconsistent or wrong for me to only date women I can have a

Andrew Wilsonpreference for someone while monetizing off an entirely different demographic doesn't mean I'm doing something wrong so am I doing something wrong for indulging straight men I want to dat women I think you are I think a

Andrew Wilsoncontribution towards the immorality and you know it's immoral because I don't think it's immoral to indulging heterosexuality personally being homosexual your preference alone is against it why is your preference

Farha Khanagainst it isn't there why would sexual orientation be against it no answer my question why is it if I was a lesbian and I want to date women but I put out pornographic content that indulges heterosexual men is that inconsistent or

Andrew Wilsonam I contributing well all of that literally all of that would be immoral I would say that that's still an immoral thing whether or not you're being reason that you whether or not you're being inconsistent there I didn't make an inconsistency argument I asked you about

Andrew Wilsonwhether or not it's moral you said if I don't want to date a certain pool that I'm contributing to does that mean I'm creating a problem no I'm just asking is it immoral for you to contribute to that at all no that's not it's not immoral

Andrew Wilsonfor me to contribute to traits which I personally would not date no that's not my question my question is is it immoral for you to be contributing towards th those traits like um the negative side

Farha Khaneffects in men is that moral to do no because not everyone has the same goals as I do not everyone's waiting to have sex until they're married some people view sex and relationships completely disparately than I do so but why wouldn't you those are all negative side

Farha Khaneffects you'd agree with that right it depends some people I know a lot of women who don't want to get married I know a lot of men who don't want to get married either the side effects of like Ed things like this well that side effect doesn't happen to everybody either not saying it does I think it depends if certain men want to live a

Andrew Wilsonhedonistic lifestyle I'm not going to deem them immoral for I think people have totally different purposes goal it was and I answered it my question specifically was if you contribute towards that why would that's harmful isn't it and isn't that the standard you

Andrew Wilsonuse for moral congruent to their goals if their goal is to be a hedonist then that's fine goal okay but here's the problem if their goal is to jack off to as many girls before they die they can go for it if if it's Hedonism right you

Andrew Wilsonstill have a harm principle so even if a person is doing a thing and they say I'm going to do this thing because I don't care about the harm you are still supposed to care about the harm that you

Farha Khancause right no no you're not because they have a totally different moral rubric than I do if their goal is to as many girls as possible because they think that makes them more alpha or M M who cares what their moral rubric is

Andrew Wilsonyou're the consequentialist what so you are supposed to care about the harm you do I'm not a consequentialist we've been over this so many times oh what are you again I said I was a moral absolutist you're a moral

Andrew Wilsonabsolutist yeah probably more that than a utilitarian why you shaking your head you're not a subjective not you're not a absolu ridiculous say what is that um it means like you're not necessarily

Farha Khanlooking at the consequence of an action to deem its morality my point is people have totally different goals okay so is is porn always wrong no absolutely not okay is it always right no well not

Andrew Wilsonmoral Absolut is you would if it was moral if it was a moral absolute it would either be always right or always wrong because it's AB okay give me an example of a moral absolute that's not yes or no right or wrong I would love to

Farha Khanwith porn for example porn will disaffect your relationship if one partner is okay with it and one is not that will affect cheating and compatibility if both partners are proponents of pornography consumption that'll actually increase your sexual intimacy with each other what does that have to do with anything I just said my

Farha Khanpoint is you're looking for like a black or white answer it's point B it depends on the part think absolute

Andrew Wilsonmeans you don't know what absolute means I know what absolute meanss intentionally being OB now I think you're intentionally evading what do you think absolute means answer my

Farha Khanquestion what do you think absolute means uh definite finite finite and definite at the same time sure at the same time that's what you think absolute

Farha Khanmeans absolute means definite what do you think a moral absolutist is it means you have certain moral principles that you think take precedence over the consequences of those actions and you want to be a proponent for those moral

Farha Khanprinciples even if there is an increase in harm over help okay so it's not about consequences what it's not about consequences for you at all it's not about consequences about looking at the

Farha Khanfact that people have different aims if a certain man wants to prioritize his sexual pornography consumption over getting married because he personally doesn't think getting married is a net good for him who am I to say that's wrong and I'm contributing to a problem

Andrew Wilsonlet me ask a single question right you would agree with me that the like age of consent arbitrary right would I agree with you that the age of is this to

Andrew WilsonBrian no okay the AO the the AOC is arbitrary right is it arbitrary yeah um

Andrew Wilsonnot really then give me the moral imperative for it real quick the moral absolute statement for that the moral imperative would be that it's generally wrong to um oh it's generally wrong it's

Andrew Wilsonnot based on the consequence though what it's not based on the consequence this is an absolute so why should the AOC absolutely be xh it's not it VAR why should it be

Farha Khanmoral absolutist I don't even know if I would subscribe to that you wouldn't subscribe to your own worldview I don't even know if I would subscribe that there is a certain age of age of consent because it varies by state so you're not an absolutist then

Andrew Wilsonyou're evading from my whole point you're not an absolutist you said that it's hypocritical and it's inconsistent and it's kind of immoral I'm contributing to a moral problem to put out por content his qu his question was whether or not there

Andrew Wilsonwasc a double standard I asked you about the morality of a thing yes and said I'm creating a problem by contributing to trades that I personally would not date now I'm inside of your worldview and now I'm trying to figure out the

Andrew Wilsonanalogy I created between that and me being a lesbi to date women I'll but not wanting to date St time one time I can explain it because if the foundation of your worldview on it on its own is incorrect then I don't care about the

Andrew Wilsonrest of what you even just had to say if the foundation of what you're saying makes no sense at all any claims that you make past that are not even relevant so explain to me how you're moral tell me what a moral absolutist even is I

Farha Khandon't even know what this has to do with anything your rebuttal to me was that because I don't want to date certain traits that I may contribute to that I'm being hypocritical and I'm creating some moral problem and then I give you a Perfect Analogy if I was a homosexual woman and I dated women but I contribute

Andrew Wilsonto indulging heterosexual male pornography consumption is that wrong and you have yet to address that point I don't need to why I'm going to explain it to you if the underlying foundation

Andrew Wilsonfor which that current worldview you just explain stop talking my turn my Cal down stop stop sping and listen wait let's not use that word let's not

Andrew Wilsonuse that probably probably to sperging is not against to is not no so he can so listen if you have a foundation for an ethical system and then you tell me a thing that you ought or ought not do and I find out that your ethical system

Farha Khanitself is inconsistent you don't even know what it is why would I ever listen to a word you had to say about a because this is your chronic evasion of every point is when I give you a perfect anal and CC this will make you concede on

Farha Khanyour rebuttal then you're like oh now explain to me from a B to C your exact moral world view yeah why is that a problem to going go all the way backwards let's talk about where rights come from let's talk about where duties come from let's talk about obligation

Farha Khanlet's talk about the foundation of the things you believe is that crazy how is the universe started let's talk about that right what's your like go to all the time you going to answer to what a moral absolute are you going to answer my initial question which is why was that a false analogy

Andrew Wilsonbetween I'll just concede the whole argument there for the actually give me an answer you answering this question I just ConEd it for the purpose of the argument what's a moral Absol AR what's a moral Absolut no I just conceded it for the purpose of the

Andrew Wilsonargument stop saying for the purpose of the argument why not genuinely I can't I I'm sorry I can't test your consistency by conceding the argument just for the purpose of testing the worldview that's not okay

Farha Khanyou created a rebuttal and then I a perfect rebuttal and I'll just con it for the sake argument from just for the find every word in the dictionary for me enough for the sake of the argument I'm genuinely asking you why is it a false

Andrew Wilsonanalogy I'm just conceding it for the sake of argument for the sake of the argument can we get back to what you because I need to know I'm not interested in talking abouted in talking about the foundations of your own ethical system ethical system we're talking about sexual and romantic

Andrew Wilsonpreferences but why would I care what your preferences are if you can't give me any type of ID for why it's ethical or unethical so I should just never talk if I can't flesh out to you how the universe started never make an come from

Andrew Wilsonyou should never make an claim unless you can say you ought to do this based on this let them go let them talk you cannot say Andrew you ought to do this and when I say why ought I do that you go I don't know cuz I just

Farha Khanreally feel like you you should so funny because you're the one who made the a claim I said I wouldn't date a guy who does watches porn and then you said uh then you ought not to contribute to that problem if you don't want to date a guy

Andrew Wilsonwho watch I asked you if you should yes so you Creed the a claim I'm asking if you'd like to know if you'd like to know my worldview it's all totaly I hate it all I think it's all

Farha Khanimmoral what's AAL absolutist now can you answer the question my point was that doesn't mean I think it's morally wrong okay answer the question what's a moral absolutist a moral absolutist is someone who has certain

Farha Khanmoral principles that they think take priority over the consequences of those actions and they think those should be honored with precedence over the a utilitarian world view so why is it then that you're giving me an argument from the

Brian Atlasconsequence how did I because you're saying AB Che thank you for the gift to 20 memberships go ahead Andrew you're saying okay so what you're saying here

Andrew Wilsonis I didn't even give you a consequence you say pornography not immoral right not necessarily yeah not necessarily but if we try to discover

Andrew Wilsonwhy it's not the reason that you say the reason it's not always immoral is because there's some consequences that I think are better than other consequences that's why even then it has nothing to

Farha Khando with morality it would for an absolutist if I prefer a partner who's 6' over 510 and I'm preferring the consequence of their height that doesn't mean I think 510 men are immoral unless or there's something morally wrong with

Andrew Wilsonbeing short you wouldn't say I'm a moral absolutist I believe that this x thing is absolutely always immoral except asking why why are we conflating romantic preferences with a moral rubric

Farha Khansame way if I said because it's an not claim no it's not yeah it is same way if I said I prefer a tall guy over short guy that's not me saying oh then you know it's bad for me to contribute to something that decreases height in men yeah but that would be a preference in

Andrew Wilsonthis particular occasion I'm talking about a preference I'm asking you about the morality talking about preference same way again if I could be indulging being a lesbian we go back and for okay fine so we'll just do you think it's moral because your preferences and

Farha KhanI think it's moral because my preferences but you're a moral Absolut I didn't say moral I literally said morality has no bearing on my romantic preferences in this instance you're the one bringing up morality for no reason I like a certain race or a certain

Andrew Wilsonheight and that doesn't mean I'm claiming all other men are immoral far if I prer wom am I calling men immoral If all we're talking about is I like water and you like lemons right then why

Andrew Wilsonif we're making the discussion about these things which are going on uh inside of uh consistency issues things like this like like he was talking about or you claiming you're a moral absolutist things like this we're now

Andrew Wilsonoutside the realm of preference we're now into the realm of far as worldview so I'm trying to figure romantic preferences and I'm saying why does romantic preferences even fall within the worldview of morality because what if you're romantic if I prefer a guy

Andrew Wilsonwith a big dick over a small dick does that mean I think guys with small dicks areal I'll tell you because what if you're what if you're you indulge in your preferences and they're actually against your own morality then are you doing something immoral by following

Farha Khanthat preference right and I'm saying I'm not deeming those guys who watch porner go to strip clubs immoral I'm saying for what I'm seeking in a romantic relationship those are not traits that would be preferable to my go they're not

Andrew Wilsonimmoral and I'm trying to to show you that I think you think that either a you're right and they're not immoral and you're a consequentialist or you think I don't think it's immoral I would be friends with guys who watch porn if I

Farha Khanactually thought it was immoral and I thought it was like akin to an actual moral wrongdoing like murder or the r word then I wouldn't be friends with those people I wouldn't be friends with girls and guys who watch porner go to the strip clubs how do you determine

Farha Khanwhether something's morally positive or negative it it would be a case by case I can't flush out a perfect moral based on the consequences of that asking you what does morality have to do with a romantic

Andrew Wilsonpreference hang listen that's a bait and switch it's not question you always do the same thing when I ask you a question you answer with a question what he asked you specifically is how do you know

Mason Gregoiresomething you're doing is moral or immoral I don't know I don't I don't have a pure moral framework at this time so you're not a moral absolutist no I said I probably sub you go you're consequentialist you're a

Mason Gregoireconsequentialist okay you took you took murder and you took you take all of these other things based on the consequences of what happens in that scenario so

Mason Gregoiremurder just I'm pretty sure moral absolutism against murder just let them finish so if you commit murder the consequence is negative because you take someone's life you take human life so that's a consequence so you're looking

Mason Gregoireat the consequence and you determine it's bad you don't take you're not pulling from objective standard you're taking your interpretation of the consequence and then conflating that with negativity if you think moral absolutists would object to murder

Andrew Wilsonyou're deranged then tell us what your standard is for why someone should be against murder that doesn't fit the consequen for your standard of what your morality is based on I don't even know why we're talking about morality I know that you don't know but now using this

Andrew Wilsonas an evasion because you want to on the point what you're actually saying you're not saying I don't know why we're we're talking about morality you're saying I don't know the answer to your question yeah I don't have an answer for what is your perfect moral framework

Farha Khanwrite aook moral framework based on something you don't even know don't even know yeah you don't even know WR 300 pages to flesh out their morality they can't give you a two sentence quip on the whatever podcast no the you say you say the foundation no because if I asked

Andrew Wilsonyou you'd probably say like oh I subscribe to Christianity but then you probably have some exceptions to that and you could maybe flesh those out by giving me an internal critique which I'm fine with because I follow Christian ethics which is exactly what I'm doing

Andrew Wilsonto you this romantic so you just told me you said I have a worldview I can't justify my worldview I don't even know how I came to the world view I don't even know what my standard is for Morality but this thing over here that's not immoral what the are you

Andrew Wilsontalking about I'm saying how does morality can you explain to me why morality even pertains to this conversation of romantic preferences because if we're talking about pornography we're coming at it from two different standards I'm saying that the standard is immoral you're

Andrew Wilsonsaying the standard is moral I'm saying I'm going to justify my morality you say you can't justify your morality I want people to listen to the guy who can justify the morality and not to the to the person who absolutely here's my two sentence cute little answer I think

Farha Khangenerally people should aim to self-actualize and genuinely they should like seek to fulfill their autonomy so if someone has a certain goal for thems that generally is not harming someone else and for instance like they want to as many people as possible selfe

Farha Khanmean um you know live up to their potential I don't know if that's congruent with a Christian framework I don't even know what that means all this is consequence-based It's dependent upon the outcome that's not true it is though

Farha Khanis consequentialist based I think you can self-actualize and maybe have nothing to show for at the end of the day but I think a absolutist was effort and the intention that's literally with an Absolut if you're just saying you're just saying

Mason Gregoireyou're just talking about the the uh absence of negative outcomes so I mean it is consequentialism consequentialist just because it also happens to overlap with consequentialism I'm asking for the standard and you're just giving us preferences why is it that my romantic

Farha Khanpreference has anything to do morality or why is it inconsistent I know it sounds bad to say I do o but I went date a guy who does X Y and Z but genuinely flush it out because right now it just sounds like you guys have a unjustified visceral reaction to the fact that I sound like a hypocrite you can actually flush it out okay so let me flush it out

Farha Khanfor you one more time flush it out without just asking oh right give me a two second moral framework I'm not even going to ask you a question I'm just literally going to flush it out for you if I ask you why you wee a blue shirt over red and then you said I just prefer blue I say it's immoral to then why is

Farha Khanmine not a prence you would have to make a justification for that unless unless you're saying that your entire moral framework is just a preference so if you were to say I look better in a blue shirt than a red shirt and I were to say oh then you're selfishly motivated why

Farha Khanare you only interested in what you like maybe you should survey the panel find out like what we prefer looking the one who's going to have to stare at you for 4 hours but wouldn't you say that's kind of a weird rebuttal to why you chose a blue shirt over is that your argument I'm showing you how ridiculous

Andrew Wilsonsound no my argument is not ridiculous what you're say completely ridiculous then stop talking let me make my argument what you're saying is just a sequence of preferences you're saying Andrew why did your preference to do this thing which you have a preference to do that nobody considers immoral

Andrew Wilsonincluding you and I why did you do that thing I say well because it's a preference you go oh okay makes sense it's a preference all you're giving us right this second for the entire standard for your entire morality is

Andrew Wilsonyour preference not morality I'm saying my romantic stands are why you chose a over another almost done you let these male guests blow V but if I talk for more than two seconds seriously she been

Andrew Wilsonit's so unfair disrespectfully always stops her for you and never stops you guys for her ever well because this is with the male audience okay I'm sorry you know what far I know I was just about to lay the entire groundwork for

Farha Khanmy epistemology you don't have any but you go ahead I'll I'll chill out having rebuttal to I was saying the fact that he will always cut me off after two sentences but let any male guest on this panel blate for like 3

Farha Khanminutes plus even if it's not related to the conversation and I can never do that hit a fight with you no no no I I equally I I make Fair attempts to let everybody speak you know I'm a I'm a I will pay someone to comb through this

Farha Khanand create a chart of how much you you go ahead you go ahead I was talking about dating preference I'm so lost but he knows that he can't let it slide if I'm an O girl and I I went watch like date a guy who watches porn so he has to

Brian Atlasnow try to dunk on the even though it doesn't pertain to ethics let's continue let's continue on so if Andrew is making a point how does it not pro you got so angry how does it not how how does it

Andrew Wilsonnot pertain to I'm chilling how does it not pertain to ethics if you tell me that you're doing something that's unethical it's like this you I say did I say unethical i w my initial answer did I say I would because watching porn is

Andrew Wilsonune arent is what your argument is you go to me and you're like hey Andrew I'm about to go commit murder and then I go wait you can't do that and here's why and you're like uh I didn't want to have a conversation about my ethical standards I just wanted to tell you that

Farha KhanI was going to go commit murder that's your argument right now Farah it's not my argument is exactly akin to saying maybe I would wear a blue shirt over a red one and I'm saying it's a preference no I'm saying from my standpoint you

Farha Khandoing only fans is immoral you agree that that's true but that wasn't even the argument if you want to discuss the morality of sex work I'd love to get say you're on only fans yes but that wasn't you're rebuttal to me you're rebuttal to me was that I'm contributing to something wrong while not preferring it a partner but the reason I wouldn't

Andrew Wilsonprefer those tra in a partner it's not because I think tell because it would create a partner that wouldn't be as pair bonded to me that was the whole point and what did I tell you the point was of me saying wait a second you're

Farha Khancontributing to X Thing by being on only fans right yes I am contributing to X thing that doesn't make X thing immoral because I would date or so now we can get into why X thing is immoral let's do it but then concede that that doesn't

Farha Khanmean I was calling tting literally told you for the purpose of the argument I'll con Pur the argument like why won't you let it move on because you didn't even addess you were wrong you created a rebuttal to what I was saying and then completely switch the top I'm still

Andrew Wilsontrying to get into the ethics of this thing but we can get to the ethics of are your eics just preference just a preference is it just a preference is what a preference is your the fact that you say that only fans is moral the fact

Andrew Wilsonthat you say like apparently I guess prostitution is moral when did we say moral stop stop car I just let you talk right so are you saying that only fans

Farha Khanyou you're making the claim only fans moral right no I did not say that and I know you know I didn't say that I literally said we can discuss the morality of it I was saying there immoral immoral as a moral absolutist is

Farha Khanit immoral I'm Sor is there no such thing as moral neutrality such as you wearing a flannel versus him wearing a leather jacket versus him wearing a hoodie yes you can say moral neut it's morally neutral I'm fine with that too I would say it's morally neutral it's

Farha Khanmorally neutral well it depends Case by case is it absolutely morally neutral no that's why I said Case by case are you absolutely sure same way I could probably find a way to say maybe you wearing these certain shirts aren't exactly morally neutral because maybe a

Farha Khanchild sewed that shirt and we can get into it Case by case but generally I can say it's morally neutral for you to have different shirts that you're wearing is that fair sure it's morally neutral for me to have okay for me to ask you to justify the morality of your shirt so

Farha Khanhang on so only fans to you is just like me wearing a shirt it's m Case by case same way exactly I don't know maybe if you have four-year-old make that shirt for you today then we can get so we go

Andrew Wilsoninto it's a case by case so inside on the model the consumer the Rel so inside of only fans how would you evaluate absent bad consequences the things

Farha Khaninside of only fans that you would consider moral or immoral um probably the ethics of sex work so typical things like whether the model is being groomed into it whether the consumer

Farha Khanconsquence next um whether the consumer is honest with his romantic partner about it that's not consequence then why would you value why would you value it absent negative consequence I think uh if you're looking at something like

Farha Khandishonesty and integrity that if anything that pertains more to moral absolutism than it does consequentialism because if the partner doesn't find out then technically that's fine by consequentialism because maybe he got to jack off to a model and keep his relationship going but I would still say

Farha Khanthat's wrong even though he's lying to his wife about it's okay to tell a lie if it saves a life what can you tell a li if it saves a life um

Farha KhanI think it depends it depends on the consequences for it what no no it depends on the LIE itself and the severity of the LIE related from consequence you know you're pivoting you know I'm not I'm this is

Andrew Wilsonliterally to your point I'm testing your logic so my logic is to say I think you're consequentialist I think all the things you just named are consequence-based for negative outcomes no it's literally not literally is and this is how I can demonstrate it for you can you moderate a little bit this is

SPEAKER_01how I can demonstrate it for I'm more of a free flow yeah this is are you playing solit this is how I can demonstrate it Sol this is how I can demonstrate it I know you just want to CH the topic wait okay here

Farha Khanlet's let far thank you so much it's not like I two hours for this okay anyways iqu I flew too okay um it's not consequentialist because I was literally saying even if that man who's watching

Farha Khanthe of content is lying to his wife but it improves the status of his relationship because now he's more likely to have sexual intimacy with his wife but he knows that he's transgressing his wife sexual boundary I still think that's wrong so that's 100%

Farha Khanno it's not no it's not because that's increasing the pleasure in his relationship that's moral absolutism literally because I'm still saying that's a wrong deed if it was reversed but if it was reversed if it's reversed then that completely changes the

Farha Khansituation right now because the consequences reversed the consequences changed to on purpose I literally said even if it's a net good in terms of pleasure because maybe his wife is now enjoying him more she's like wow my

Farha Khanhusband's so happy lately and jolly cheery and he's more happy lately maybe now he can actually last longer in bed if he's transgressing her boundary I still think it's wrong to lie about being subscribed to an O um because I'm

Farha Khanyou know prioritizing honesty Integrity you know honoring your vows over a consequentialist humanism yeah why why I I think that's the I I think that's the end the dead end of moral absolutism is

Farha KhanI'm valuing honesty and integrity yeah why why cuz I think those are good traits I have a question so their preferences so the eny of far's worldview what are you talking about

Andrew Wilsonlisten I'm going to explain yeah just so this is really simple really very simple what you say is this you say you say it bottoms out at moral absolute on truth

Mason Gregoireand on this and on that things which Justice Integrity hon you prefer that is the weirdest evasion I've ever heard in my life no no it's not the weirdest evasion because ultimately what

Mason Gregoirehe's trying to get to is saying that you are the one who's determining whether it's more imal it's a preference a preference that doesn't make it consequentialist it does in this case because all of the things in which you

Farha Khanvalue are seem to be based around the consequences I literally said it's not even if it improves their relationship and makes it so that they don't get divorced and they have a happier marriage I still think it's wrong to transgress someone's boundary fair enough so then what we could say instead

Andrew Wilsonis this maybe you're right and it's not that you always value the consequence we would just say that the entirety of far's entire moral system comes from her preferences how is that a preference

Andrew Wilsonbecause you said that moral absolutism bottoms out at truth and at these other values that you have which you have a preference for which I think most people have a preference for the legal system

Farha Khanthe courts most Moral Majority think that's politicians so the most people determine morality then what most most people I said specifically the institutions which we've entrusted our Justice and our legal systems with has nothing to do with most people if

Farha Khananything that's proba dep the majority of people belie I didn't say majority I literally said I could be a minority but we can like look at the syllogisms of why they've arrived at this conclusion of why this good

Farha Khanthing I just love that we've detoured so much cuz this proves my point that it's not inconsistent for me to do only because you've had to detour like 30 times now why is why is it important that she determines the morality of men that she wouldn't consider dating that's

Rosie Genenewhat I don't understand about the entire premise of this conversation the audience her responsibility to determine the morality of the men that she wouldn't consider dating consuming the content that they

Rosie Genenewould consume regardless of how they got it is a consenting person creating the content she runs her own business she's eth ethically creating her own her own content why is it ethical because she's consenting to the creation of her

Andrew Wilsoncontent why is that ethical because that is less consumption happening of content that people are not consenting to making yeah but you just are repeating it right the consent is

Andrew Wilsonwhat makes it ethical the problem is to me I'm trying to do what I'm trying to do is get to the foundation of why you think things are ethical or unethical that's the point why do you think things are

Andrew Wilsonethical or unethical why based on I mean that depends on the conversation no why do you think things are good or bad I mean I don't do that off of any

Rosie Genenereligious aspect good andad usually we do positive and negative B so basically like the the Do no harm so you think that things are bad if if they're harmful and harmful or

Andrew Wilsonsubjective that's your that's your principle yes harm harmful is subjective but uh for me I make that determination based on my lived experience okay so what you're trying to avoid then this is

Andrew Wilsonthe principle we're just trying to get at which far evaded a million times is that for you you're just looking at things through the Outlook of you don't want there to be harm caused correct and

Rosie Genenethere's but and then of course with any ision in any business there are risks and like of harm Factor you know you can be a CEO making $100,000 a year doing

Rosie GeneneBeyond unethical damage to the environment to the society at large to several factors and not using sex to do

Rosie Geneneso so her doing that there is no ethical consumption under under capitalism and there is no ethical there's no ethical consumption under capitalism correct there is no ethical because because that

Andrew Wilsonwell that would mean that capitalism always does harm right not always well then it can't be no then it can't be no you can't say there can be no ethical

Rosie Geneneconsumption and then say but except for the Times there can be well they both exist so there are things that can be ethical and things that can't be but you

Rosie Genenecannot experience consumption without there being unethical unethical unethical excuse me aspects that are out outside of our control as an individual

Rosie Geneneand those are immoral okay right I mean dependent yeah dependent on what if it causes harm it's immoral right yes but

Andrew Wilsonit I lost what it was so then every single time somebody does something which is harmful it's immoral we've established that and you said that there's no chance they can never be

Andrew Wilsonethical consumption ever not even one case inside of capitalism that means capitalism is always harmful right see you're you're you're trying to boil it down to white and black thinking and

SPEAKER_01that's just not yeah it is the line to go down subjective also wait are we talking about commun you can't be subjective you can't be subjective if you say we could we could talk no but

Rosie Genenesee the sex is a commodification of sex that is a part of capitalism that was the the point from which I was deriving from what was the point you what that

Rosie Genenethat you that you that sex work is the con is the commodification of sex uhhuh the commodification aspect is what I was aligning with capitalism and making that

Andrew Wilsonstatement so then sex work is is immoral under

Andrew Wilsoncapitalism I don't understand that line of logic you just said that it it's sex Works a commodification under capitalism and any type of transaction under capitalism is exclusive to capitalism so

Andrew Wilsontherefore not exclusive to capitalism say all I asked you was so sex work in capitalism is always immoral no no no so then all things which are commodified

Rosie Geneneand transactions made Capital I'm on the side here you don't I don't moralize sex work it's it's a so then there are transactions under a capitalist society which are

Andrew Wilsonmoral yeah okay but then then why did you say that there can be no ethical transactions ever under communism or under capitalism no you said that no I

Andrew Wilsondid not okay go ahead and repeat your spiel about communism again capitalism capitalism sorry there can be no what under capitalism there there maybe

Rosie Genenethere's a better way of phrasing it say what did you say my what the exact phrase I believe is there there is no eth like when you're saying it's a

Rosie Genenesimplified phrase you're trying to there is no ethical con conception under capitalism that is what I said so then only fans under capitalism is unethical or morally neutral which keep forgetting exhaust but she can't she said all all

Andrew Wilsontransactions under capitalism are unethical all of them every one of them she didn't say unethical she said no ethical consumption that's the Le are you consuming are you consuming only fans ethal are you consuming only fans she said it was commodified she said

Farha Khanit's commodified so if somebody's consuming only fans by her logic has to be unethical she didn't say unethical she said no ethical consumption it could be morally neutral if so so then if somebody's consuming only fans that would be unethical or ethically neutral

Andrew Wilsonthey can't be ethically neutral if she says every single time is she say no ethical not unethical those are two different things yes so it's so everything under your worldview then

Andrew Wilsonwhen it comes to capitalism is either immoral or morally neutral there's no moral Goods I'm sorry please repeat that question I want to make sure I understood that under capitalism MH can you do

Andrew Wilsonanything that is a moral good I mean yes because it's I don't I don't go into the absolutes then now right are you still going to make the claim far

Andrew Wilsonnow that she said yes you can at least do positive things right she she did say that under her ethical system repeat it again I just want to make sure I get it right so that I'm not strawmanning you

Rosie Geneneabout the the capitalism quote um there is no ethical conception under cap or no that's what you said there is no ethical concept that's what you said the first time and I may have misquoted the phrasing I that's honestly I'm dyslexic

Rosie Geneneso honestly I could have misquoted what I meant to say so yeah so that's very plausible their point good talk dating podcast by the way um right got into economics I think

Brian Atlaswe're going around saying our preferences preferences that was about thank thank you far uh yeah so uh preferences you finish did you finish oh did oh well you sure you want to you

Farha Khanwant to finish I would love to have her finish just to be curious not to have someone rebut off of her preference thank you so much yeah I think I pretty much detailed it already I would like someone intelligent someone who doesn't

Farha Khanwatch porn doesn't go to strip clubs and has super high sexual discipline well that's morally um uh is my turn now y okay um fun um I think

Miss D. Mariethat I'm probably also looking for someone who's got Sim similar spiritual beliefs as me which are um I'm I'm spiritual I was raised Catholic but I grew away from uh I grew away from

Miss D. Mariereligion just learning a lot of things and experiencing things um so someone who wasn't super locked into um she mentioned hyper religious people here don't love that term um I don't mind

Brian Atlasthat um but I don't want that either um I wouldn't actually yeah yeah and you said that you want an athletic guy do you want a tall guy I like someone I would like someone who likes to be athletic yeah like um I mean ideally

Miss D. Marieit'd be nicer for them to be I like to wear heels a lot okay so normally like tell you I'm five I'm 5'7 5'8 if I'm doing Runway and so bare minimum height

Miss D. Mariefor a guy um my first boyfriend was probably 5'7 but after that um it's been like 6 feet 5'11 510 okay so would you say bare minimum

Miss D. Marieis like 5'10 um ideally yeah 510 and taller like when I'm looking I'm like okay yeah especially on dating sites because there's more yeah to view and I can be a little bit more specific I'll

Brian Atlasbe like okay yeah and you prefer like uh uh guys with large pin it sounded like um that was a preference they prefer me but yeah I'm not mad they prefer you okay all right there's like a mutual

Kimberlyunderstanding there yeah what about you um for me I think I would like want someone that cuz I don't go out like I

Kimberlydon't go out to clubs that's not like my thing I get like anxious and stuff but I would want someone that would want to go out like to the movies or to do arcades

Kimberlyor something like that like okay so like dates and stuff yeah but also something serious because I know a lot of people like on dating apps um they say oh let's hang out and this and that but they

Kimberlydon't want to hang out they just want to hang out to like have sex yeah basically and like I'm not trying to wait when's the last time you went to the club I don't go oh you don't go at all no like

Kimberlythe last time I went was a couple months ago but that's cuz my friend invited me but I don't usually go out like okay

Madisonit's not my okay area um Madison I guess my preferences are someone who is very committed honest

Madisonloyal in a relationship I feel like um they have all my attention so I want to have their attention as well and I don't

Madisonreally like when people cheat doesn't mean my preference is for you not to cheat doesn't mean I'm going to contribute to cheat cheating as well um but

J'Quan (Jaquan)yeah um I prefer I prefer a cute face nice wasted hip ratio um emotionally stable I can't do to highly neurotic

J'Quan (Jaquan)women um they crazy I like I like this sweet innocent in introverted types um high in conscientiousness I like a

Mason Gregoiredutiful woman okay yeah Mason yeah um so she has to be a Christian um and not just by not just by name name um they

Mason Gregoireactually have to live that out and what that looks like is she has to U subscribe to what the Bible says um is

Brian Atlasthat a Chino huh a Chino a Chino like a rhino but a like Christian in name only you know like Republican and name

Mason Gregoireyeah got yeah I mean a lot of people will claim Christ but not live like it um yeah so I think uh there will be as Jesus said there will be many on that day that say Lord Lord did we not do all

Mason Gregoirethese things in your name and he said depart from me uh you practice law lawlessness and uh I never knew you so it's but it's somebody who loves the

Mason GregoireLord subscribes to what he says and practices that um so that's got to be there um other than that uh she's got to

Mason Gregoirebe active she wants she's got to be uh marriage-minded um so not sleeping around I want her to save herself from marriage if she had a past I can work

Brian Atlaswith that uh Brian doesn't want me to uh to uh lower my standards for that but yeah I his um I am your Eternal wingman

Brian AtlasMason exactly there's some women who've previously attempted to convince you to uh you know date women who might not also be

Brian Atlasvirgins exactly might they might be prostitutes even that was a stretch I feel like but but Mason Brian is my gatekeeper I am any women out there you want to get to Mason you got to come

Brian Atlasthrough me yeah not like you don't have to like sleep in the room sound could come off a weird just like that seems counterproductive that would that would be just a little counterproductive you

Brian Atlasknow very counterproductive for Mason but Mason but you if Mason if you even come to me you come to me with a woman who's not a virgin I got I'm going to you're going to sabotage it I'm going to

Mason Gregoireclam block or is that I don't know what the term is oh boy but yeah I I want her to be like I want her to desire to be a mother I want to have a large family so she's got to

Mason Gregoirehave a similar desire things he's some good things um yeah I want her to uh support not not support me financially he said Christian yeah would you convert

Mason GregoireI I need someone with I need somebody that actually has a like a basis for their moral standard okay yeah sorry far can't just be a preference you made out

Mason Gregoireit's got there's got to be some basis uh but yeah yeah so I want someone to be able to build a home got to build a home if you can't build a home what what you really got you can't build home is it going to be a town home or two story

Miss D. Mariewhat I want to add a couple things all you do is say big peen and I didn't get to say anything about intelligence or like if they can you said if they could put it down good or something like yeah led by you but like there's other things

Brian Atlasto have yeah fair enough yeah yeah like a big brain big brain yeah be intell that's good that's always good uh right so what the I mean you're married of course but uh you know when before you

Andrew Wilsonmet your wife what were you uh what were you looking for in a in a partner uh what's referred to as a unicorn so I was looking for somebody who had um wait isn't a unicorn um a lesbian that's

Andrew Wilsonadded into a couple or a virgin I think I just learned that oh or it could be a mythical rare creature which one do you think I was refin we have toize creat right so

Andrew Wilsonanyway I mean I really didn't know I don't know you I don't yeah I get it I get it I just think yeah anyway um so for me my preference for a woman was somebody who prioritized Duty over

Andrew Wilsonherself and that's what the Unicorn part is I have in most of my experience with women is that they do not prioritize Duty over their own self-interest

Andrew WilsonConsciousness oh yeah what is Duty it would be a level of resp responsibility uh that you would move towards over whatever your personal preferences were interesting and you

Andrew Wilsonhaven't been able to find women who do that feel like that's us other than my wife my wife has always prioritized Duty over her own preferences and what it is that she wants and if we were to really

Andrew Wilsonget into it right like you might disagree with what I'm saying but if you want to get into it I can explain to you and probably reduce for you How likely in your situ situation you don't really

Andrew Wilsonbelieve in Duty or responsibility but most of your preferences just revolve around your sense of self and what it is that you want I wouldn't argue with that I'm single um but that's not how I function in a relationship well what are your duties in a relationship I guess it

Miss D. Mariewould depend on who my man is and what he's expecting I would really like to get to know him and get to know what are the things that make him happy but in general I really like um you were talking about I really like to cook for my man like to have him a place that you

Miss D. Marieknow he likes to come home to love to be like a space that could lift him up and lighten him if he's going through a hard time be that person he can talk to and encourage him um rub him down you know if he wants breakfast 3: a.m. and we're

Miss D. Marietired I'm still going to do those kinds of things that's what I see and then I guess if he's got any particular things he wants and that something that's feasible for me and I love him I'm going to try to do it yeah yeah what about things that he might want you to do that

Andrew Wilsonyou don't want to do yeah we try everything once yeah well no I'm not talking about sexually I'm not either yeah yeah so so out in the world so let's just assume for a second that he tells you that he wants you to stop

Andrew Wilsontalking to your mother because it's causing a serious issue inside of your relationship yeah uh and you think that you talking to your mother is not causing a serious relationship or or an

Miss D. Marieissue in your relationship would you defer to him are we married yeah I'm deferring to him he's my husband okay always it's my husband I mean hopefully we're at the place where if I am his wife we have a common understanding of communication where we respect each

Miss D. Marieother but yeah I mean he's the leader of the House okay and why do you think he's the leader of the house he got the oh um hopefully because he's providing and protecting so what if he wasn't providing I wouldn't be in that

Andrew Wilsonsituation so I can't I can't um well you could be where you're with a man who could provide okay but hang on just hear me out okay so he's providing for you for a few years and then he's in a situation where through whatever means

Miss D. Mariehe can't provide for you anymore yes you would not put yourself in that situation no I mean I'm already in that once I'm married I to do what I can do do to keep that together yeah okay but if what if he couldn't provide for you anymore okay

Miss D. Mariewould you still stay with him I would not be with a man who doesn't have the motivation to pick up so if yeah he fell off for a little bit I'm going to be right there to pick him up in any way um knowing that it's not going to be like that forever because at the end of the

Miss D. Marieday I'm hoping to be able to carry children and um I won't be able to do both provide and carry children yeah but what if he's maimed and he can't he's maed and he can't I guess it will handle that when it happens yeah but if he was

Andrew Wilsonif he was maed and he could would you prioritize him over you I mean I'd be taken care of him he where's heed sickness on yeah so he's I'm say what I'm saying is is that he's maed in a way

Miss D. Mariewhere he can no longer provide for you yeah that's the man if I love him like obviously I love to the soul so it wasn't about the physical which is why he was trying to point out like this but for me it's it there's more there's more okay so you would stay with him even if

Miss D. Mariehe couldn't provide for you yeah I mean here's the thing though I'm going to be honest with you if if it was a situation where um it changed who he was and I do mean I mean

Miss D. Marielike sometimes people will go through catastrophic events and who they are as a person completely changes and I feel like there's definitely an amount of

Miss D. Marietime that I would give to help that person but if it event if it in eventually came back to something that um would destroy me um I've been in

Miss D. Mariesituations where I did let it destroy me I hope that I've grown right now to attract someone who wouldn't so your greater duties to yourself um I guess I would I depend on the situation well in this situation you

Miss D. Mariejust your greater duties is to you if it was something that was to destroy me I don't know cuz I just told you that I've LED it destroy me in the past so I mean I'd like to think that I've grown out of that but maybe not but you just got done

Andrew Wilsonsaying to me to be perfectly honest with you if I knew that this was something that was going to destroy me correct you're going to exit the situation right and I also just stated to you that in the past when I thought that I might

Miss D. Mariehave done that I still let it destroy me so I'm hoping that yes I would make that choice but given given my past exam my past um history that's not something that I would when it destroyed you in

Miss D. Mariethe past did you leave the situation um he got another girl pregnant did you leave the situation I mean it was at that point I'm the girl's calling me and she's I mean I didn't

Andrew Wilsonhave a choice that's yeah I all the qualifi I'm just asking you left the situation though I I didn't have a choice right so based on the pattern of

Miss D. Marieum destroy is like your wife would you you leave her you cheat on her and she's still going to be like I'm down I'm saying that your wife's greatest

Andrew Wilsonpriority as far as her Duty goes is obeyence to her husband and taking care of her children and taking care of her family is the priority so your point right now is to prove that I'm not I

Andrew Wilsonwould not be Duty I would not no it's not I'm not saying that you wouldn't be dutiful that's not really what my preference here is what I'm saying is

Andrew Wilsonthat the thing I look for is in a woman is somebody who has a greater duty to me than to her and I that's why I think it's a unicorn I agree I I think that

Miss D. Mariethe way that you know that is by being shown it not by asking I don't know what that means what do you mean I think that was pretty self-explanatory the reason why you know that is because she's shown you that she's beautiful you're asking me if I

Andrew Wilsonwould be dutiful those are two different things I can sit there and say one thing or the other but my actions speak for me okay that's fair so I mean within the the confines of the point though I guess I'm just trying to kind of flesh out

Miss D. Mariethat that's what I'm after as a woman who prioritizes Duty over self and to me there's just almost none of them who who do that I feel like a lot of women I know that is our biggest problem is we

Miss D. Marieput you guys before ourselves and so it's interesting that you say that and it's te their own but that's what I feel like I've encountered a lot with my how are they putting I don't know I think uh I mean

Mason Gregoireif you take just divorce sta statistics um and the amount of like just cause divorce as opposed to no cause divorces

Mason Gregoireso just like preference like this person is not making me happy the vast majority of divorces are happening by women because they're just not happy anymore lack of commit it's lack of commitment

Mason Gregoireso it's I mean I I would say that the evidence suggests otherwise that most women don't want to be in a relationship because they're not happy and it's they

Mason Gregoirewould rather prioritize their happiness over the health and uh the health and growth of their family their happiness contribute to the health and

J'Quan (Jaquan)happiness of the family hold on and to speak to his point you also said earlier somebody who treats you like a princess that tells you that's that's what Andrew is referring to what is it cuz I didn't specify what that means so what do youan you you didn't and I

J'Quan (Jaquan)wanted to ask you what that meant but that statement in itself somebody who treats treats me like a princess as opposed to you saying a guy that I want to be a wife for or oh yeah that was just a short and sweet thing I didn't get to delve into anything

J'Quan (Jaquan)specific yes okay but that's what that's what he that's what he's talking about though with the dutifulness and then with women talking about themselves like that statement is a a selfish statement it's self the statement is selfish but it wasn't neglecting it's like saying

Miss D. Marielike Oh Black lives matter to me no no other matters no other things matter it's like no I wasn't stating that I wouldn't treat someone like a king it's just that I would like someone who also treats me like she was making

Brian Atlascompar comparison she was making a comparison to what she said something about black lives matter you heard BLM and you perked up yeah oh my I thought you were talking about my nonprofit

Brian Atlasorganization the big matters speaking of I think I should share my preferences and standards that was a good point by the way here and I've written a bunch of notes because I don't want to forget

Brian Atlasbecause it's a very long and exhaustive list of all the things that I want so let's see here first off let's talk about race any race is fine but slight

Brian Atlaspreference for Asian women and white women I'm just going to be honest that's my preference uh I don't know if you guys play World of Warcraft there's like best in slot I okay then Brian I probably should

Miss D. Marieyou say white women you mean white looking women what do you mean that's a good question what's the difference well I'm talking like Latina like Hispanic like my skin color is

Miss D. Mariewoman identif your experience as a white woman no my experience is of a black woman but being raised I was raised by a white woman and I also understand that experience and what that is and so I'm

Miss D. Mariealso because I'm literally half I'm also a white woman like I don't have the experience you thrown your hat into the ring here I mean I'm just saying I know people will come at me that cuz I don't have the I don't have that experience but I to an extent I know the experience but I don't have that myself I don't

Brian Atlasthink he cares about the experience I'm saying like for Prim don't get me wrong I'll date doesn't care about the Heritage I'll date a black woman I'll date a you know Latino woman I'm just

Brian Atlassaying slight preference ever so slight very very small preference uh petite Fun Size short women uh the shorter the better what size is that

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