4v4 Debate GOD Andrew Wilson vs. Feminists! Virgin GIGACHAD! Jaquan! Farha! | Dating Talk #124

Date: 2023-12-04

Duration: 5h 58m

Guests

Brian Atlas

RRosie Genene >

MMiss D. Marie >

KKimberly (DT124)>

MMadison (SBCC)>

QQ Jquan (DT139)>

MMason Gregoire >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_04Miss D. Marie(guest)

SPEAKER_05Rosie Genene(guest)

SPEAKER_06Farha Khan(guest)

SPEAKER_08Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Mason Gregoire(guest)

SPEAKER_11Kimberly(guest)

SPEAKER_13J'Quan (Jaquan)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroRosie Genene introduces herself: 32yo patient care advocate for oncology pharmacy and part-time YouTube vlogger (quirky love rose).

“hello my name is Rosie genene I go by quirky love rose on the internet I am 32 just had my birthday a couple weeks ago I am a full-time patient care advocate for a specialty pharmacy specializing oncology as well as a part-time vlogger on YouTube”

IntroFarha Khan introduces herself: 24yo content creator on TikTok/Instagram; best content on OnlyFans.

“hi my name is far KH I'm 24 years old um I'm a content creator on Tik Tok and Instagram but my best content is on onlyfans.com”

IntroMiss D. Marie introduces herself: actress and model, from Seattle, resides in LA.

“uh Miss D Marie uh I just had a birthday too and I'm an actress plus model I'm from Seattle but I reside in La”

IntroKimberly introduces herself: 22yo caregiver/babysitter from Indio near Coachella.

“hello my name is Kimberly I'm 22 years old I'm a caregiver SL babysitter and I'm from Indio by Coachella”

IntroMadison introduces herself: 19yo from San Diego, full-time SBCC business student, Whatever Podcast staff, and bar host at The Quill.

“my name is Madison I'm 19 years old I'm from San Diego California I'm a full-time student at Santa Barbara City College studying business I work for the whatever podcast and I'm a host at a bar the qill”

IntroJ'Quan introduces himself: 30yo behavioral scientist, certified relationship coach, YouTuber, influencer, book author.

“30 years old behavioral scientist certified relationship coach YouTuber influencer book author”

IntroMason Gregoire introduces himself: 27yo, primarily a Christ follower, mechanical engineer, content creator, competitive powerlifter.

“Mason greguar um as always uh primarily a Christ follower um I am a mechanical engineer content creator uh competitive powerlifter uh 27 years old”

IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself: host of The Crucible; content creator; works in robotics; 39 years old; happily married.

“name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible um so I I guess I'm mostly a content creator now I also work um kind of in the same type of field except in robotics um 39 years old happily married”

QuoteMason Gregoire confirms he is a virgin waiting until marriage for religious reasons (Christian conviction).

“yeah it's uh it's for religious reasons well I mean as a Christian it's something I'm convicted of I mean the Bible speaks on it all the time so that's stance I take on that and uh I take it seriously and more so that you're also you're waiting till marriage yes I'm also waiting till marriage”

QuoteRosie discloses being groomed into feederism (death feederism) by a stalker she met in 2012-2013 who later hacked her Cash App and cloned her phone number in 2021.

“hi my name is Rosie and I was groomed into feederism feederism is a kink like a sexual King regarding feeding someone generally for the purpose of them being fat or getting fat”

QuoteRosie discloses attending BBW swinger parties in Atlanta area in 2019 and having up to 10 partners in one night during her post-breakup 'party phase.'

“at one night 10 was that like an intentional goal like you went in no it actually was kind of accidental I just like I was very laid fair about life at the time”

Key MomentAndrew Wilson debates Farha Khan on the ethics of OnlyFans consumption under her claim 'there is no ethical consumption under capitalism.' Andrew points out this implies OnlyFans consumption is either unethical or morally neutral.

“they can't be ethically neutral if she says every single time is she say no ethical not unethical those are two different things yes so it's so everything under your worldview then when it comes to capitalism is either immoral or morally neutral”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues body shaming serves a legitimate societal corrective function — shame keeps people from publicly normalizing unhealthy behaviors and discourages others from following the same path.

“the constructive criticism it's a shaming tactic so that everybody who sees a person like you out there trying to say it's okay... they're trying to instill a sense of shame so that if other women see that they don't go that road”

Key MomentAndrew Wilson states he required his wife to get a paternity test regardless of his trust in her, and if she objected he would leave.

“you're going to get the test and if not I'm out the door period”

QuoteMisty (Miss D. Marie) rates herself a 10 and defends it as self-love philosophy: 'I am a Misty 10.'

“I took a long time for me to love myself and I do now and so yeah I think that like you know I'm I'm my I'm a misty 10”

Key MomentSelf-ratings round: Rosie 8, Farha 8.5, Misty 10, Mason 10, Kimberly 7, Madison 8, Andrew Wilson 4, Brian 5. Andrew Wilson defends his 4 as an objective assessment; debates Rosie and Misty on subjective vs. objective beauty standards.

“eight today 8.5 8 8.5 I'm a 10 seven eight 6.5 uh I'd say 7.5 to 8 four... I I used to say six I'm a five in front of all these beautiful women how could I ever not humble myself down to a four”

QuoteRosie discloses her body count is approximately 50-60.

“probably somewhere between 50 to 60”

OtherBrian refuses to rebook Gabby or Shannon after they flaked on the show day-of, calling it a breach of commitment. Misty reads Gabby's text message (about her dating situation, not an apology), which Brian dismisses.

“I'm not considering them again for future shows because if you're going to do that to us there's there's no guarantee that you're not going to just flake last minute again”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship statuses

Brian introduces panel: Rosie (32, patient care advocate/vlogger, single 2.5yr, ex-fat acceptance), Farha (24, content creator/OnlyFans, single 1.5yr/fabstinent), Miss D. Marie/Misty (24, actress/model, single 4yr), Kimberly (22, caregiver, single 1.5yr), Madison (19, SBCC/Whatever staff, in relationship 1yr3mo), J'Quan (30, behavioral scientist/coach/author, single), Mason Gregoire (27, mechanical engineer/virgin/powerlifter, single), Andrew Wilson (39, The Crucible, married).

Three guests cancelled day-of; show discussion

Brian explains three originally scheduled guests (Gabby, Shannon, and a third) flaked on the day of taping. Gabby cancelled for a paid Nike modeling shoot. Shannon had logistical issues getting a ride (was going to ride with Gabby). Brian vents about flake culture affecting production. Misty (Miss D. Marie) had planned to give Gabby and Shannon a ride. Brian states he will not rebook Gabby or Shannon.

Plus-size dating: would you date a plus-size man/woman

Initially a plus-size panel theme. Rosie (self-described 'super fat') discusses logistical challenges of dating another plus-size person. Explains the fat spectrum (small fats, mid fats, large fats, super fats, infinity fats). Discusses her history in fat acceptance movement (since 2013) and her departure. Now pursuing health improvement; approved for Mounjaro. Disclosed feederism grooming story (stalker, 2012-2021). Discussion of feederism vs. death feederism. Misty discusses attraction to athletic men despite being plus-size herself.

Rosie Genene's feederism and BBW party history

Rosie discloses being groomed into feederism by a stalker in 2012-2013. Explains feederism (sexual kink around feeding to gain weight) and death feederism (feeding to the point of death). Her viral TikTok on the topic on We're All Insane podcast with D'Ora. Separately discloses attending BBW (Big Beautiful Women) parties and swinger parties in Atlanta-area Georgia during a breakup in 2019. States she had up to 10 partners in one night during this period. Body count ~50-60.

Brian's and panelists' preferences in partners

Extended round of each panelist stating dating preferences. Brian: slight preference for Asian/white women, petite, natural (no plastic surgery, no makeup, no perfume), introverted/modest, low body count. Farha: intelligent man, no porn/strip clubs, high sexual discipline. Misty: athletic, ~5'10" minimum height, intelligent, spiritual. Kimberly: wants dates/activities, someone serious about relationships. Madison: committed, honest, loyal. J'Quan: cute face, nice waist-hip ratio, emotionally stable, high conscientiousness, introverted types. Mason: devout Christian, marriage-minded, virgin or willing to repent, wants large family. Andrew Wilson: 'unicorn' — woman who prioritizes duty over self-interest.

Plastic surgery debate

Brian explains why he prefers natural women: associates cosmetic surgery with body dysmorphia, vanity, high maintenance, and misrepresentation of genetics for offspring. Andrew Wilson asks if Brian would recommend surgery to a hypothetical plain-looking daughter to boost her confidence. Brian argues getting in the gym is far more effective and authentic. Andrew frames surgery preference as signaling women prioritizing self over duty. Discussion of breast implants, BBL, lipo, veneers, rhinoplasty.

OnlyFans ethics and capitalism debate

Farha makes claim 'there is no ethical consumption under capitalism.' Andrew Wilson debates her on the logical implications: is OnlyFans consumption then unethical or merely morally neutral? Farha clarifies she misspoke — meant to say the ethical landscape is more complex. Extended philosophical debate on whether ethical positives exist under capitalism. Andrew and Farha debate strawmanning, moral absolutes, and Farha's dyslexia affecting her phrasing.

Body shaming as a societal tool

Andrew Wilson defends body shaming as a societal corrective mechanism to disincentivize obesity. Rosie argues shame is harmful and encourages eating disorder mindsets. Andrew cites shame's historical role in maintaining social standards. Farha asks whether random cruel comments (gorlock, hippo) are really a societal correction tool or just sadism. Brian admits he retitled a past episode 'gorlock the Destroyer' for searchability, not as a societal statement. Extended debate over whether public figures promoting body acceptance should be subject to public critique.

Confidence vs. modesty in women

Rosie asks whether confidence or modesty is more important in women from a male perspective. Brian: prefers modest women who approach him nervously over confidently. Andrew Wilson: confidence is a more masculine trait; men look for feminine traits (modesty) in women. J'Quan agrees, adding that church/clergy focus on male pride issues. Mason concurs. Farha and Rosie push back on gendering of traits.

Mandatory paternity testing debate

Brian asks whether mandatory paternity testing would help or hurt women. Andrew Wilson: strongly for it; required his own wife to get one regardless of trust. Mason: agrees, notes accidental hospital baby mix-ups. Rosie: concerned about government overreach but acknowledges it could help with child support enforcement. Farha: objects philosophically — adds a bureaucratic layer, prefers individual autonomy. Andrew dismantles her trust-based objections. Brian cites disputed statistic that 33% of children may not belong to the father they believe is their father.

Self-ratings (looks 1-10)

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks. Ratings (in order): Rosie: 8. Farha: 8.5. Misty: 10. J'Quan (implied). Mason: 10. Kimberly: 7. Madison: 8. Andrew Wilson: 4. Brian: 5. Debate erupts over Rosie and Misty's ratings. Andrew Wilson challenges them on subjective vs. objective attractiveness standards. Rosie defends her 8 as self-esteem rather than comparison. Misty defends 10 as self-love philosophy. Andrew argues ratings must account for external perceptions.

Body count round and double standards

Brian goes around table asking body counts. Rosie: 50-60. Farha: 0 (disputed by Andrew, citing her scripted TikTok skits). Misty: 8-9 (Brian estimate; she declined). Kimberly: did not clearly state. Madison: did not disclose. J'Quan: 'lost count; been around the block' (previously said 50-60 in another context). Mason: 0 (virgin). Andrew Wilson: married/declined. Brian: 8-9. Extended debate on whether body count double standards are justified. Rosie argues the double standard exists but doesn't make it wrong. Andrew argues it is entirely rational and evolutionarily grounded.

Patriarchy, white male privilege, feminism debate

Brian asks whether panelists consider themselves feminist. Rosie: no (not exactly); uses systemic definition. Farha: yes by Brian's most generous definition (advocates for women's rights). Misty: mixed. Kimberly: no. Madison: not labelled. J'Quan and Andrew: no. Debate over whether feminism fights for equality or only for women's benefit. Brian argues feminists would not support conscription for women. Andrew argues feminists' core principle of egalitarianism is internally inconsistent given their opposition to outcomes that don't benefit women. Debate over racism toward white people and sexism toward men (systemic power definitions). Reaction to memes about male privilege (D-Day, oil rigs, power line workers). Andrew argues men maintain civilization's infrastructure.

Dating deal breakers reaction (Reddit post)

Brian reacts to a Reddit post from a 29-year-old man listing his dating deal breakers: cheated in the past, takes recreational drugs regularly, incurable STD, in a situationship/FWB, poor hygiene, sex worker (online or in person), extreme political views, single mother. Panel discusses whether the list is too strict. Rosie objects to single mother as blanket deal breaker. Farha objects to cheating-in-past as absolute. Andrew defends the list. J'Quan notes past cheating is a leading predictor of future cheating.

Can you be sexist against men / racist against white people

Brian asks the panel. Rosie: women cannot be sexist to men under systemic definition; racism requires systemic power. Farha: believes you can be sexist to men; applies systemic-power definition to racism. Misty: can be sexist to men (no); can be racist to white people (yes, location-dependent). Kimberly: cannot be sexist to men; can be racist to white people. Madison and Andrew: yes to both. Brian posits: could Barack Obama as president have held racist views toward a white homeless person? Misty says yes, some would value the white homeless man above the black president. Extended debate on systemic power, epigenetics, and the moral equivalence of bigotry vs. racism.

Reactions to dangerous male jobs videos

Brian and Andrew react to videos of male-dominated dangerous jobs: iron workers on high-rises, oil rig workers, power line workers in snow (China), helicopter-attached power line workers. Discussion of how infrastructure jobs are almost entirely male-staffed. Andrew argues this constitutes men sustaining civilization's physical infrastructure with their lives while women benefit from it. Panel debates whether these men are forced to do these jobs vs. voluntary. Mason argues 2,200 years of history shows women cannot maintain infrastructure without men.

Closing discussion and wrap-up

Brian wraps up. Final discussion: Gabby's message read by Misty (she sent texts about dating situation rather than an apology; Brian uninterested). Brian on commitment ethics — argues once you commit to an appearance you should honor it even if a better opportunity arises. Brief discussion of upcoming Thursday debate show. Brian thanks panel and closes.

Transcript

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Miss D. Marieyou're not supposed to say yeah uh you actually are serious yeah he does he's I prefer the short women no what she just said oh what did you say you said you like little people last season last session last whatever I would it's not

Brian Atlasit's not so much that I I would I get with a dwarf said preference I would a dwarf I'll get with a dwarf you preference for that a little bit not it's not that I have a pre I don't have a preference for dwarfs I'm saying I would I would date a woman who is a

Brian Atlasdwarf okay but I'll also date a woman who's got appropriate like nor normal proportions who's also like four five there's there's like four 4 foot n women

Brian Atlaswho are just I just like when people say put this around normal normal it's the respected but but there there's like if you you can you can be short and considered

Brian Atlaslegally a dwarf or what are thees general term person I don't know sometimes what are you quoting I have uh what's that thing that um the the guy from Back To The Future Has Tourette's I

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Brian Atlasit um is it what is what is okay never mind uh so short women Natural Body supremacist and obviously I care about hygiene and grooming but strong

Brian Atlaspreference for no plastic surgery no makeup no sense perfumes uh yeah you know I wonder uh that last part cuz I heard you say that the last show which one the the no

Andrew Wilsonplastic surgery or anything is that because you think that that of that is a sign of vanity yes well there's a few reasons there's a few reasons but you said you prefer it because of vanity because you

Andrew Wilsondon't like the way it looks and feels well no not vanity on his end no I know but he's looking at it well wait wait can't we apply your same double standard objection to your double

Farha Khanstandard here lying if he saying right wait wait no we can just apply far's double standard application here right not not attracted to women who get plastic surgery because of vanity he just personally doesn't like the look

Brian Atlascuz it's uncanny well no he said few Reas said vanity re what are the reasons Brian tell us all oh man okay I mean where do I even begin tell that purely

Brian Atlasaesthetic so purely aesthetic wait what sound you to say a long story it's going to be it's going to be very long um I do think that

Brian Atlassomebody who's inclined to get plastic surgery that that could be prox proxy for mental illness and I don't really want to date somebody who's mentally ill no like no offense or anything but I'd

Brian Atlasrather to know women is that a thing did you say no um wait what is there actually any correlation between cosmetic surgery and mental of course there's there is a

Brian Atlaslittle B of course there's coration well because you're essentially suffering from body dysmorphia you're so a lot of aspects you're so unsatisfied and with your outward

Brian Atlasfacing physical appearance that you're going to spend tens of thousands of dollars that you're going to uh undergo anesthesia which my granted I most

Brian Atlasplastic surgeries occur without any issue however anytime you go under anesthesia there is a risk of potential

Brian Atlasuh long-term damage or even death so to me unless a surgery is absolutely medically indicated and necessary for

Brian Atlasyou to Simply go under the knife for purely cosmetic reasons I think is to me would be evidence of body dysmorphia although I suppose you could argue that you might not be suffering from body

Brian Atlasdysmorphia but a woman sees some sort of economic benefit for like okay if I get fake or if I get fake boobs and that could help me in my career doing only

Brian Atlasfans or in dating too she might not necessarily have body dysmorphia she just might look at it from like okay this might help my odds so you would date someone with BD even if they didn't get cosmetic surgery like they just had

Farha Khanan Ed but we're all natural and stuff had a what eating disorder closer speak yeah so you wouldn't date someone who has body dysmorphia but it's all natural for the same reason because it's mentally

Brian Atlasill would I not like they have body dysmorphia but they haven't had plastic surgery uh I suppose it depends the severity of the impact on their

Brian Atlasday-to-day life I mean if it's if they have it but they it's not otherwise interfering with their life or with the relationship I don't think that that

Brian Atlasnecessarily would um be an be an issue um acted on I I think acted on uh mental illness by getting the plastic surgery

Brian Atlasthat would be but like what about like an acted on Ed if this is to you can tell me eating disorder I think that's I think it's fine to talk about that I would assume okay I don't know so you

Brian Atlasmean like bulimia yeah is that acted on that I mean yeah I would say was asking I suppose that would be a red flag because I feel like there there's other there's other things that are lingering

Andrew Wilsonin the shadows typically I mean so when you're talking about the vanity portion this was my the question I was getting at earlier I was curious about is it because you think that if they're

Andrew Wilsonprioritizing for vanity that that's a sign that they're not going to prioritize for you

Brian Atlasin in the sense that it's very self-centered uh I've never thought about it like that but that's that's actually a a good point um I just I like

Brian Atlasmodest women and so uh hyperfocus on one's own appearance to the point that you're going to spend tens of thousands of dollars and undergo dangerous and unnecessary surgery that's a hyperfocus on one's own appearance it seems like

Brian Atlasthat would be something that would lead them to prioritize Maybe themselves yes over you right yeah and and just on its own aside from whether they're prioritizing themselves or me I just

Brian Atlasdon't find it an attractive personality trait just uh vanity I prefer modesty I I much more prefer modesty both in personality and in appearance so so uh I

Rosie Genenehave a question and I'm just just out of curiosity so it seems like you seem to deem that more so on the decision than anything so if you met someone and got like semi into it you know 3 six months

Rosie Genenein found out they had pretty invasive surgery but had Supernatural results and you had no idea would that impact your desire to stay in that

Rosie Genenerelationship um H that's a good question well I I think I have I have fake titty Vision so well I mean suris is it the boob job

Rosie Genenethat's the issue or like talk rhinoplasty jawline chin implants fillers of all kind I don't like I don't like any of it obviously though there's I would say there are

Rosie Genenesome procedures that are more invasive than others and that tend to change but there are amazing plastic surgeons and new surgeries all the time so is it is it plastic surgery as the concept or the blue jobs yeah it's not well it's I

Andrew Wilsonthink it's everything I wouldn't even say so like when you think about what he's saying right if you take a woman let's say she was a bad burn victim okay she goes yeah she goes and gets plastic

Andrew Wilsonsurgery right the reason he wouldn't probably wouldn't mind that if like there was a burn on the arm and then you know skin grafts and all this and plastic surgery because really is prioritizing towards the vanity it's

Andrew Wilsonlike there's something here I don't prefer it it looks fake it is fake but it's maybe it's sending off other signals at the same time and that's totally understandable I guess like what

Rosie GeneneI'm just curious about more than anything is if you're so focused on the like mental decision factor which is valid that's that I think that's really valid um but if you're focused on that

Rosie Genenethen you find out it's something that isn't the boob job or a burn victim or an extremity but it was just someone who simply was like I don't like my chin here's a chin implant but you can't tell

Brian Atlasbecause things like that can appear natural if done expertly yeah I mean again I think it's the degree the one thing that would occur to

Brian Atlasme is okay well I think both men and women will select Partners to some degree based perhaps to a great degree based on physical attractiveness so there's a misrepresentation there and obviously I think one of the reasons

Brian Atlaswhether this is something that's conscious or subconscious the way in which we find people attractive one of the things that's a thought process there is what are our kids going to look

Brian Atlaslike and so and so if there's some and I think there's been stories about this of people who have had excessive amounts of plastic surgery in Asia there was a guy who sued his wife I think there might

Brian Atlashave been the story that came that that was a hoax but it certainly could be the case that the woman's had so much plastic surgery that she's just moving

Brian Atlasin the world so deceptively that not only is it going to have an impact on your attractiveness to her but if you're looking to have children with her um

Brian Atlasbecause why do we ultimately find physical Beauty attractive and I think aside from our own selfish reasons uh from physical from from a physical attractiveness level is we're going to

Brian Atlashave physically attractive children who will be more cap who are will maneuver through the World perhaps better if they're more physically attractive and so I definitely can see that but I guess to go back to my original question I was

Rosie Genenejust curious would that be a big like potential deal breaker or a diversion in a relationship 3 to six months in CU that's a very fragile time where there's

Rosie Geneneemotional involvement but there still can be Fallout very frequently from those types of like Miss signals so would that be a either hard deal breaker or potential deal breaker well the most

Brian Atlasegregious forms they're probably not going to like that term but the most egregious forms of plastic surgery so I would say uh breast implants BBL and lipo um guys there I just saw one on Tik Tok where

Miss D. Mariethis guy got his knees and now he's taller just throwing that out there I don't think men should the theight crazy but so when you're talking about Offspring like let's say I fall in love with this guy thinking he's 6t tall then

Brian AtlasI get you're tight wait what oh no but I I if if that if a woman objected to a man uh because women are attracted to tall men they hope their children I

Brian Atlasdon't think that I I don't know if I would you would mind here's the thing not marry my kids so I don't know that I would care like I would I would actually argue though that that women like if you found out a guy had I think plastic

Brian Atlassurgery is far less accepted in men than it is in women so for example uh and I there's obviously different uh cosmetic surgeries that men undergo but like the one I could maybe think of is like what if a guy and it it frankly

Brian Atlasdoesn't look realistic at all but they get the injections the oh mythol what's it called Mason do you know what it's called I don't know what it's called but it's essentially oil they they injected into your biceps so your arms look bigger there's also the the things or

Brian Atlasjust implants they got actual implants yeah and I there's this old like 20-year-old MTV documentary where this guy was insecure about his calves he got calf implants I forgot what that show

Miss D. Mariewas called I can't what it was but I'm sure a lot of wom would like clown on that you got I don't know that I would clown it I don't know that I would necessarily know when I saw it but when I saw it I would be like yeah but but to

Brian Atlasgo back to your point like the most egregious one so for me I think that's I mean maybe there's a few the type of surgery seems to be a factor for you which makes sense yeah I mean if she's had like if she had had a deviated septum and got a rhinoplasty I well first off that would be medically

Brian Atlasindicated and that's not even on that table then but yeah and that's a fairly the the shift the shift even if it's cosmetic rhinoplasty yeah the the actual change in your physical appearance isn't

Brian Atlasthat significant but like when it comes to faked HTS BBL lipo I think I think it's probably in the order of BBL being the most invasive uh that would be what

Miss D. Marieabout teeth everyone's getting their teeth now veneers I don't I don't like veneers that one that would make me mad I don't know about the anything so much but if if I don't know that you have and I didn't have that choice I would want to

Mason Gregoireknow that don't they have to grind your teeth down sometimes they do sometimes they don't they have different ways of doing it I believe are you suggesting like like uh uh like braces or oh wait what I don't know but I guess braces is

Brian Atlaskind of the same thing though but you can't make them white when they're like not white bra is more more akin to like getting a bone set right I just don't think I would get in I mean I I don't

Brian Atlaswant to say it's 100% a deal breaker because I mean I would have to meet the woman and she's wonderful but she had or

Brian Atlashas fake breasts but um I mean I just think it's there's a lot of fish in the sea and just somebody who has plastic

Brian Atlassurgery it's a suboptimal dating choice right it's not 100% a deal breaker but like generally speaking I certainly don't gravitate gravitate towards women with like bbls and and fake tits like I

Brian Atlasmuch prefer like I'd much prefer a girl who has like an acup than like big fake titties so yeah flat totally you're right I just I guess I was just curious cuz you seemed to be really invested in

Rosie Genenethe mental part of making that decision and that and like I said I can see the validity in that I mean I'm I'm Pro do whatever the hell you want like if you want plastic surgery get it you know in terms for me and it wouldn't be too much

Rosie Geneneof a deal breaker like if I found out I was dating a man who got like hairline surgery or like the bruts like for me that wouldn't be a deal breaker either um or things like that but I just cuz I

Rosie Genenejust think like if you want to do something to um make you feel better or improve yourself that's your right but it's also your right to choose not to date someone if they did that for

Brian Atlaswhatever reason well I think I think we as men have a duty to uh cuz I I think both men and women but more so

Brian Atlaswomen have been sold This Lie by advertisers that you ought to look a certain way you need to buy a certain foundation and a certain lip gloss and a

Brian Atlasyou need to you know get look like Kim Kardashian you need to have this hourglass figure whatever I think advertisers have women chasing a

Brian Atlasaesthetic and a physique that is very costly or just not attainable and uh I think we as men have a duty to fight back against the corporate Greed from

Brian Atlasthe Cosmetic industry and the I suspect the billion dollar uh plastic surgery industry because we as men are protectors and I think protection doesn't just just mean like some

Brian Atlasimmediate physical threat but also threats of Mind and Body not just immediate um like not just an immediate threat if somebody's trying to mug you

Brian Atlasbut like okay how is the world trying to to damage women to the point where they feel compelled to go under anesthesia get these dangerous and

Brian Atlasunnecessary unnecessary and expensive medical procedures uh for purely aesthetic and cosmetic and uh vanity reasons so I think we as men have a duty

Andrew Wilsonto uh protect women from that let let me ask you something now I'm just curious about this sure let's say you had a daughter and she was a four a hard looks

Andrew Wilsonlike a four yeah she was a four M and she had really low self-confidence okay and it was like eating her up and you knew through a series of cosmetic surgery that that would increase her to

Andrew Wilsonlike a seven or an eight okay and her confidence would shoot up and she'd be more likely to attract a mate right like a good high status mate with plastic surgery yeah well if it shot her up to a

Andrew Wilsonseven or an eight her mind from still be four though would you would you recommend that she well no that I don't know there's a lot of women a lot of women I've met who've had a bunch of

Andrew Wilsonwork and suddenly they think they're hot but let's just say you know it should shoots her up to a seven or an eight would you recommend she do it if she came to you and said well you know I

Brian Atlashave confidence issues this kind of thing it's not clear to me though if because that it would shoot her up to a seven or eight well not even that but

Brian Atlaslike it would fix her confidence like a girl who's a four but she has fake titties is still a four but she was able

Brian Atlasto get a system of um different types of plastic for I don't know maybe I just have may maybe I have a different view but I've asked a lot of men on this show

Brian Atlaslike I think most like lip filler looks bad fake tits I I don't know doesn't look I don't really like it whatever um

Brian AtlasI I just I don't know like the the Lipo belly does not I'd prefer a girl with a little belly fat than lipo belly it looks weird like and these girls that I don't know if there's a procedure to

Rosie GeneneSomething in the would you so you would kind of like tell her stay of four you think would I or would I tell her the story I don't know he's necessarily

Brian Atlasraing his daughter I would say first off I intend to to uh bir a 10 to breed with with a uh very attractive I get it I get

Brian Atlasit um no no no but uh I would encourage her that that there will be a man who will find her beautiful and attractive

Brian Atlasand sexy the way she is and not to do any of that and you don't to do any of that and right answer and I I what I would say what I would say also is hey

Brian Atlasuh you can make yourself more physically attractive uh get in the gym like that's what I was about to say get like a nice you can get a a very attractive body I mean face there's not much you can do

Brian Atlasbut uh obviously grooming hygiene but get in the gym I because you know what's crazy is and I know you I know you want to come in Mason I'll just finish this really quick a lot of women spend so much time time on their beauty through

Brian Atlaslike makeup and getting manicures and all this stuff and they spend a lot of money like buying makeup and and I think like you you could order you could improve your physical attractiveness

Brian Atlasorders of magnitude more and probably spend less money by just going to the gym like you you guys want to cheat with your beauty you want

Miss D. Marieto cheat and let me just put on the face of makeup no just like get in the gym like you say gy with beauty as if the gym is the only thing that can make you beautiful well the the gym is probably

Mason Gregoirethe most powerful tool that can make you beautiful like so personally no no just so personally like so before I started getting really into the gym I would say

Mason GregoireI was probably around like I was pretty average like 5 and 1 half six I mean I I got an okay looking face I'm an average looking dude but then when I got in the

Mason Gregoiregym like all of a sudden that just changed double bicep can we see double bicep Hercules Hercules myON I just

Mason Gregoirethink that oh sorry oh yeah so yeah and I think so with the gym comes I think something subconscious that happens in someone who sees somebody that goes to the gym but like when I'm sitting in the gym and let's say I'm sitting in this

Miss D. Mariehesty room and I'm like relaxing and I'm sitting next to a guy who's got a physique like you and I look down in his toenail and it looks like haggardly Haggard m i don't give F about his body

Mason Gregoireokay yeah kind of misses the we're missing okay we're missing the point so okay well think about it this way go to gym and not have disgusting toenails right that's true but I'm just saying

Mason Gregoirethat's not the only that so generally when so if we're going to speak in like the majority of cases so someone a a population of people that go to the gym there's something subconscious that

Miss D. Mariehappens in people who see them where like they someone goes to the gym by looking at them you wouldn't look at me and be like oh she goes that's true

Mason Gregoirewould that's true but I do so no okay but so people who who go to the gym follow a a well-designed program no no I didn't

Miss D. Mariethink no that absolutely there's something about like you should because I don't right that's the point you're supposed to be a look it's not the way it's the you're literally your skin what

Miss D. Mariethe it's it's your skin it wouldn't be just like your because I see Dad Bots there's all kinds of different bodies that go to the gym 100% I can tell by just like the way you're moving the way you're carrying yourself your skin radiate is not I don't know what any of

Miss D. Mariethat means well that's some of the things that come from the gym as well when you're going the sweat clears out your your skin you're going to have more Radiance movement you're stretching this

Mason Gregoiregoes this goes exactly into my point so there's something that is hard earned by putting in hard work so when you go to the gym I do like Jim I get what you're saying when I go to the gym I'm like even their mindset is like in a better

Mason Gregoireplace well yeah so obvious yeah I mean just mindset alone it's like one and a half times more effective than uh drugs happier people exact agre so the gym

Mason Gregoireprovides all of these positive benefit we to call the gym okay so uh yeah working out so it provides all of these benefits like just simply cosmetically

Mason Gregoireas well like and so your attitude your confidence you do stuff that is difficult to do like that that you people perceive that and they see it and

Mason Gregoirethat is something that's hard-earned and there's something subconscious that happens in somebody where if I was to look at somebody who bought all of their physical attributes so BBL lipo those

Mason Gregoirepeople are in the gym too we see well okay so so but somebody who's doing that generally is like okay I want to get this quick I just want to solve this problem immediately or they think that's not something they can attain like some people just are not going to have ass

Brian Atlasthey're cheating chea some people are just not going to have lips you can't work your lips out well well there so be happy with your lip be happy with your small you should be happy with your body and just try to be healthy it always kind of moves

Andrew Wilsontowards anytime we're talking these generalities kind of moves towards an extrem towards the outlier it's always a move towards the outlier it's like way to not kind of engage with

Andrew Wilsonwhat's being said it's like obviously the spirit of what's being said is if you go to the gym for most people it's going to improve your appearance I don't think anybody's going to disagree with that right yeah cuz even if it's not necessarily about weight loss you know

Rosie Genenemuscle muscle distribution like your ability to be more active like there are other factors um I think a healthy way of looking at going to the gym is just about um being

Brian Atlasconsistent yeah consistent maintenance like I mean if you have goals for weight loss great then that's what you should do also another thing with the whole plastic surgery thing is like if this is going to be a long-term partner and if

Brian Atlasshe's expecting you to provide like this is going to be a much higher maintenance woman than a woman who is not particularly vain the the upkeep on her is going to be much higher for example my understanding when it comes to breast

Brian Atlasimplants for example you're going to need those replaced I think at minimum two or three times in your lifetime so that's you're going to need aren't you the 50-50 guy huh don't you go 50-50 on dates well that we that chick is not

Miss D. Mariegoing on a date with you Brian what are you talking about anyways like she's just not going to go on a date with you anyways you don't have to worry about her maintenance because she's already going to know from date number one when you but I'm also fine she's not going to be not if she's got to get breast impants every 5 years she's going to look for someone who's going to pay for

Brian Atlaseverything which is precisely why I would I even but even if I was let's let's say I was inclined and I do think I'm I actually am okay like I'd be okay with a

Brian Atlasstay-at-home wife but I I would also be okay if she wanted to work and I would be okay with that uh however I sorry I lost my I lost my train thought

Brian Atlasso oh she she would be high maintenance right so okay so what's the cost of a you know you need to get the breast rone okay that's 10,000 a pop and then she's going to want other she's going to want like I don't give a you don't

Brian Atlaslike for me for a girl you don't need fake nails you don't need to wear makeup you don't need any plastic surgery you don't need to wear perfume you don't need like nothing do not give a you don't like perfume what is that about I

Brian Atlaskind of I don't like I don't like the scent it's it can be overpowering theones are more attractive no it's just I don't like it first you're going to have phones or perfume so what do you mean no wait what pheromones are like

Andrew Wilsonyour natural body smell I don't even no he's not talking about things like women wearing deodorant things like that deodorant's talking he's talking about like hor musk you know what I mean no what is hor musk hor musk I just don't

Andrew Wilsonlike perfume I just walk so you're walking through this happens at restaurants I'm talking perfume yeah yeah got you'll be walking through you'll be walking through a restaurant everyone didn't want hear the story just put off by this by strong there some chick will walk by and he'll be like

Kimberlyallergies so she's instantly hor I have allergies it tends to linger I don't like the smell that's hor musk because she's a woman and she's got a smell no I don't know it's the perfume there's a specific perfume they're saying that if

Brian Atlasthey put like too much or you know he's saying at all he don't want it I don't know I don't want any perfume look obviously grooming hygiene very important if you deodorant's fine but I

Brian Atlasdo not like uh I don't like perfume let's talk a little bit about um let's talk a little bit about personality traits though I've talked a lot about physical so uh let's see I like women

Brian Atlaswith well this is kind of physical women with nice voices I like uh I like women with soft Pleasant soft Pleasant voices uh let's see oh personality okay

Brian Atlasuh Mo I would say moderate preference for introverted women quiet calm softspoken little bit shy a little bit nerdy modesty is huge I don't like women with like big big egos who are super

Brian Atlasvain Divas got be the main character what's that got to be the main character me no I'm saying like women who want to be the main main character syndrome mhm brings me peace doesn't quarrel doesn't party doesn't drink doesn't do drugs

Brian Atlasdoesn't go to bars or clubs low body count no current or past promiscuity undivided romantic and sexual attention the earlier the better uh I for some reason I wrote down has a praise King

Andrew Wilsonisn't that a mark of promiscuity though wait what is if if you they give you the undivided sexual attention and they do it quickly no meant well undivided so it's not it's not so much the the rapidity with which they give it but

Miss D. Mariewhen I say undivided romantic and sexual attention with that that's more so pointing towards they're not giving it to other guys anybody but him at the first there's not talking phases you immediately he's the Unicorn basically

Mason Gregoireeven even if I haven't met her so it's like the assumption is that like most women will give their attention to multiple guys he just wants a girl that will give it like one at a time yes essentially yes but if she sleeps with

SPEAKER_01you early on isn't that a good a good signal that it could it could it's I like if he had to guess if he had to guess no I don't actually think I

Brian Atlasactually don't think the quickness with which a woman sleeps with you necessarily is an indicator get necessarily promiscuity yeah get necessarily but if you had to bet but in the general population comparing say a

Andrew Wilsonwoman who sleeps with you on the first date versus a woman who does it by the second even does it by the second yeah even if they do it by the second like if you were to bet about if you were to take bets on

Andrew Wilsonthe women who won't sleep with a man over a long a period of Time Versus those who jump right into bed with them very quickly if you had to bet on the past promiscuity you would say that

Brian Atlaswould be yes it would definitely be more likely it would be more likely but uh yeah you know uh let's see what else uh we're still doing your preferences

Brian Atlasyeah yeah so this long I told you it let's see oh a who helps me in my mission a girl who is attentive a girl who scratches my back are you advertising right now or this related no this is an extend dating profile he had

Brian Atlashis written down I'm not that picky though I'm really not that picky I you know I'm not let me read a couple chats here I got to read a couple chats we

Brian Atlashave cranic salute to the true hero of this podcast the hardest working and longsuffering the Chad the one the only

Brian Atlasthe absolute unit of a chair hi who's that talking about my chair talking I did that totally whooshed over

Brian Atlasokay all right all right kic all right um we have St he does have really good chairs in here Steven are they they're okay uh Steven carera no such thing as e ethical Sor the the women and the

Brian Atlasworldviews caused by indoctrination and brainwashing via the global satanic death cult okay these women need Jesus Andrew you are Warrior of Truth Christ is King fortunately he stepped out yeah

Brian Atlashere for a sec but I'll let him know you said that thank you uh Steven Carrera uh save that one and then we have octo kind lady aren't your dating preferences themselves based off of the

Farha Khanconsequences of those actions oh I I guess that's directed to you I can look at the consequences of it without saying that it has to do with morality like you could be a consequentialist with something outside

Brian Atlasof Ethics you don't even know what I'm talking about yeah this is this is tooo bigir big brain for me I don't you got into three different outfits during their all right we have Goblin here what in the gorlock be careful she might eat

Miss D. Mariethe ho next what I hope you're talking about me cuz I'm hungry are you are you just playing dumb on like what are you playing Dum on purpose what do you mean playing Dum

Madisonthey meant Hostess wait what like they they're not even they're talking about me anyways I'm the hungry one don't shoot the messenger this isn't a little bit like lost in the head

Brian Atlassometimes what the madis and how you going throw me under the bus like that I'm supporting oh okay you're supporting me wait lost about what up by killing him he's special wa what what I

Rosie Genenelove that don't shoot the messenger I'm I'm forced to read these hey yes you are but I mean I don't like I said I don't engage with people that are committ to misunderstanding me wait me no the

Rosie Genenecommenter oh my God sorry I'm like like if if they if someone I have a room temperature IQ okay a gross fat person I have no interest in like trying to prove

Rosie Genenemy Humanity or like prove my existence or my worth cuz I know my worth so yeah I mean you got to read your free super chats they paid you good job period Fun's the show right period I have a

Rosie Genenebutton I mean i' I'd have to care to be offend let's read more is there more I'd have to be I'd have to care to be offended I like it when they leave messages I can't find it whatever hey Andrew this this one came up uh

Andrew WilsonAndrew you are Warrior of Truth Christ is King uh yeah King of Kings boom and Lord of lords boom I'm not getting into a contest

Brian Atlasdude all right I'm finishing the Bible verse I've got some questions wait what oh yeah we'll do twitch guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a f follow

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Madisondo I even you got it you got this like thank you for the prime that was a yeah that was a tier one burn your wishes thank you for the prime angel of war thank you for the prime twist thank you

Madisonfor the resub killer thank you for the resub premature who thank you for the prime J thank you for the prime Shadow thank you for the tier one thank you guys twitch.tv/ effort drop us a follow

Brian Atlasdrop us a prime sub I had a question want to go around on this does anybody here have or previously have had a roster oh god oh yeah yeah especially

Rosie Genenewhen I was I I had so I didn't really go to college but when I was 27 I had like what I would consider my party phase

Rosie Geneneabsolutely part party phase yeah I went to like um different like BB BBW parties in uh when I lived in Georgia okay I got

Rosie Genenesome notes on that I think um what's uh what's BBW for big beautiful woman it was originally started as a porn category and eventually was co-opted as just like an an identifier that fat

Brian Atlaswomen some fat women use I used to I don't anymore they have parties for that um people who are them and people who like them yeah okay so uh you had a

Rosie Geneneroster so what uh what was the size of the roster depended um a point where I got I got oh it depended on the on the situation in the beginning it was a bit

Rosie Genenelong younger but um like when I was living in Georgia at the time I had my own place were you in Atlanta uh close I was like North Metro Atlanta like right on the outskirts but I would go down to

Rosie Genenedifferent events in the Atlanta area um all the time but um yeah I was like it was during my first breakup like I mentioned me and my ex who broke up for

Rosie Genene9 months that was during 2019 and um so what that was like when I first really co-opted like I mentioned earlier the get under to get over it didn't work the first time so I don't know why I tried it again well how big

Rosie Genenehow big was the roster two guys three guys Four Guys couple was you said you're by right so maybe a couple girls yeah I mean that was when I explored my sexuality so I I did hook up with a

Rosie Genenecouple girls um but uh Five

Rosie GeneneGuys this I would say I would probably say it was anywhere between like what Madison what are you do nothing I'm just like getting delusional right now I

Rosie Genenehaven't had much to eat today there's whatever cookies over there thank you there's still whatever cies I mean there was a few people but for me it was more like

Rosie Genenesituationship um but I was I was just kind of like way too casual I was I was be I was like doing stuff that I would never do now I had my moment I learned my learned what was your moment what is

Rosie Geneneyour moment um well so some of the parties were like regular parties but some of them were swinger parties okay how was that fun but problematic that's the best that's the best way to answer

Brian Atlasit shortly how many how many uh cuz I in my notes Here you I think you mentioned BBW Polly parties sex parties um how many of these parties would you say you

Rosie Genenewent to just a couple or like regular over the span of six months when I was in the thick of it they had basically parties every other weekend okay and you would go pretty much every other about at least four months I did four months I

Rosie Genenemean I didn't always do something at the party but it would depend like on if I had invited people I was I already knew there or if I met someone whatever happened at these parties do people typically just like will they hook up

Brian Atlasmaybe they don't hook up at all but if they do hook up is it with just one person or will they like sleep with like multiple people like for example you did you ever hook up with like two dudes in

Rosie Genenea night or three dudes in a night yeah more yeah more I there's a specific High number for the the most I did in one

Rosie Genenenight but let's hear it um you got it I haven't talked about this stuff in such a long time I just want to before I go into this topic I do want to say this isn't who I currently

Rosie Geneneam toally I'm talking about a past verion myself that totally F would not make these decisions now but at one night 10 was that like an intentional goal like you went in no it actually was kind

Rosie Geneneof accidental I just like I was I was very L fair about life at the time and um it was something where I had been like I felt very repressed and like my

Rosie Genenefirst real relationship lasted eight years I had one before that but it only lasted 5 months and so when we or at the time I'm sorry it would have been about

Rosie Genenesix but six years after your 8-year relationship ended or in the mid so I had two I had I we broke up for 9 months and then when we got back together and

Andrew Wilsonwe broke up officially that was like in 2021 okay how does that well how does that happen like honestly how does you just like I'm depressed I'm going to go get inv involved in a

Rosie Genenegang I mean I was I was I self-actualized in the moment about that not really it was just more like you know very repressed childhood didn't I never really let

Rosie Genenemyself go crazy and I I basically let myself like like have my wild funfree because I was in an environment where I kind of felt like I was not only

Rosie Genenesupported but like really wanted desired which um I had had experienced obviously cuz I been in a relationship but not in

Rosie Genenelike that type of casual way and so I got invited into it by someone and um I didn't know what I was getting into is of good though to have that acceptance

Rosie Genenedid you come back for I met people who like I'm still friends with like I met people who most of them have walked away because once you're in it for a little

Rosie Genenebit you do like start to really not only see the toxicity around you but within yourself and um it took me going through a couple other things post this

Rosie Geneneexperience that made me realize that like I was chasing like a a high like I was using sex in ways that weren't

Andrew Wilsonhealthy and like it made me self-reflect it made me change if you could go back now would you do would you do the same

Rosie Genenething I've thought about that question a lot now honestly I think I would because I am the kind of person to live my life with no regrets and I believe that everything I've been through everything

Rosie GeneneI've done and every decision I've made has led me to where like who I am at my heart as of today and while I wish I could have done things better and I could have had better results in certain

Rosie Geneneaspects of my life I love myself and I love who I am and I I sorry I'm not laughing at you fine just um and I I

Rosie Genenelove how I can turn but is it a regret and again that's one of those things where it's a yes and it's like I don't want to have like I understand the

Rosie Genenemindset of I live in a less Reckless way let's say that I wish I could have learned certain lessons in a less Reckless way cuz I feel like I was Reckless I was

Rosie Genenerecklessly dating I was recklessly like living I was I was at that point in my life in in that situation that's not how everybody was

Rosie Genenein those scenes but that's how I was so you said you would do it again I would I I'm the kind of person where like I wouldn't want to go back and change

J'Quan (Jaquan)anything about my life because I want to be who I am that's kind of tail then you would do it again you said you would do it again yes so how so I'm just curious cuz you said you're not that

Miss D. Marieperson anymore yeah so where's the Nuance in that she's not saying that she would do it now she's saying the person that she has become today and the reason why she might not choose to do it anymore is because she already had that experience and she decided it's not

Rosie Genenesomething she moves forward with and I I learned life lessons from it and that is I I have lived my life being the kind of person that has

Rosie Geneneto um learn from my own mistakes and learn from doing things and I struggle I feel like for things to fully click or land until I've experienced them for

Andrew Wilsonmyself do you think it's a healthy process though to so I understand the mindset of saying live live without regret right you can't dwell on regrets that's true right eventually people have to move forward from things that they've

Rosie Genenedone they this and that but is it also though still healthy to have things that you regret isn't that how you progress yes and that's why I'm saying cuz like I mean do I regret the recklessness yes

Miss D. Mariebut yeah I don't like dwell in them and I try to live on the the thing of like I don't want to hold shame within regret May that's what I'm tration of regret is so negative like why can't it be something

Miss D. Marielike a lesson learned like for instance I hear what you're saying and there's definitely things where I'm like dang like that probably wasn't the best choice or if it presented itself right now I would definitely choose different but acknowledging that what had happened

Miss D. Mariein the past made me who I am today made me as strong as I am today or made me as sof or whatever the positives were that had to happen to be who I am today so I can what probably instead of regret maybe just respect respect that it

Andrew Wilsonhappened this might be like a difference in worldview too but I think that regrets are necessary for us to move forward in life and here's what I mean by this okay I mean that you should look

Andrew Wilsonon some of the things you've done in life in a negative way for yourself and negatively view yourself for having done those things and that's the only way to reconcile them to move on from them yeah

Miss D. Mariewe disagree in that but I also um I'm I was raised really really um religious and I know that that's part of um the religious standpoint is that you know

Andrew Wilsonsins and um well well it's actually kind of but there is Absolution right but Absolution comes with the confrontation that the thing you did was wrong and it should never be

Miss D. Marierepeated and you know it was wrong that's where absolute sure but acknowledging something is wrong and regret are not necessarily the same things and how do you know what's wrong with if you don't regret it you can look

Miss D. Marieat the outcome of it you can look at the intention with of what you know your action was I I'm the person I'm a type of person who believes in positive negative and so I'll look at more of the intention of it and lesson learn is

Andrew Wilsonstill going to happen um but I don't need to look at it necessarily as a negative to make it be something that I learned but that feels like it's just a way to avoid responsibility you say

Andrew Wilsonavoid but I still learned from that yeah but it's still by saying like um there's no real this is negative but I don't regret it this is negative but it wasn't bad this is negative no one said it wasn't bad

Andrew Wilsonnot bad's a moral claim so that's why we said the word bad so I'll try to use a different word yeah okay but what what you're saying is I don't regret this thing there was a negative outcome and so I'll avoid it in the future but

Andrew Wilsonthere's no regret what I'm saying is that that would from my perspective stimy the growth so the way that you grow as a person is to actually focus on the things that you have done which are

Miss D. Marieincorrect otherwise you can't actually repent for those things in order to move forward there's something to be said about the fact that we're still humans and this is a human experience we're growing and we're learning so there's going to be

Miss D. Marieright so there's going to be an amount of yeah you're going to make a mistake to for me personally if I Harbor regret I'm living in the past I'm living living in the present and me living in the past

Mason Gregoiregives me anxiety it it it doesn't allow meos to that's the point I think I think what has to happen is you have to come to the position where I regret that

Mason Gregoiredecision I'm doing that moral I I'm just doing that battle Within Myself like sussing out what was good about the situation what was bad but then after you do all of that work then you can

Mason Gregoiremove move on but when someone asks you about that point in your life where you made that regretful decision you can discuss with them this is what I sused out this is how I worked through it and

Miss D. Mariethat this is how it has led me to where I am right now reget I think but when I think about the word regret I think about something where I wish this didn't happen that's what I was trying to say the problem is that when I say I wish

Andrew Wilsonthis didn't happen I don't acknowledge of what I learned from it yeah but if you if you no it's not an I wish this didn't happen it's an acknowledge that's what regret would I did this and it was me too that's my

Andrew Wilsonunderstanding wrong and that's why I regret it well I also don't believe in wrong I believe in positive and negative and that's what I said right so for me from my perspective it looks like a way

Miss D. Marieto avoid responsibility by saying I didn't do anything wrong mhm no no no absolutely not I think that but then what you just said you only believe in positive it was about doing something wrong right it's like okay so let's say

Miss D. Mariefor instance a something I called a regret in my past was I had this big crush on this guy when I was in Mexico on a vacation and we're underneath a waterfall and I could have kissed him and I didn't and I looked back and like I regret that I didn't just make that move I was scared I regret and what I

Miss D. Marietook from that is okay when I have a moment that I want to do better I um will will make that jump I will not be scared and I will have the confidence to do it and I told myself I don't ever want to have regret again because it doesn't feel good to have that sort of

Miss D. Mariething and so I would look at it instead as like okay that was a moment that I wasn't at this level I had to learn to become this level and now I am who I am today yeah so I think I think we're

Andrew Wilsontalking like if you're talking about a level of regret it could be scalable so there could be things so there could be things that I regret like um maybe I die and say I regret not climbing Mount

Andrew WilsonEverest right yeah but I think that the things that stick in our brain for the things that we regret the most generally coexist with things that we knew we were doing in the time which was wrong you know what I mean and those tend to be

Andrew Wilsonthe things that we actually dwell on and that's have any of those in my mind like what I'm trying to think back like you're all right because you only believe in positive and negatives so that's that's why when I think about something like oh like but that's why I see it as sh better I shouldn't have

Miss D. Mariesaid this or done this I think okay well you were in a place where clearly you didn't know or you didn't make that assessment now you do know all you can do forward now is make it better now if you don't make it better then you're not choosing to be living in your most

Miss D. Mariepositive aspect and that will be something you we won't necessarily agree on there but I want to live at my highest vibrational um level which means that I'm going to be positive to people the energy that put out I'm going to expect to receive which means that

Brian Atlasgenerally I'm going to not try to do bad things onto others because I know that's going to come back to me tenfold I need to move on just so I can get through my notes here but uh let's see we had well I do want to come back really quick to

Brian Atlasthe whole BB W poly party sex party thing of course you do so uh tell us I mean there's a bunch I mean

Rosie GeneneI'm not really one to get super salacious on the internet about specifics but he wants an invite I think he oh yeah I think that's what he definitely seems to be the type into BBW

Rosie GeneneRSVP just the this is sex party part yeah oh I mean they they have them for all types all types of people I would I would actually never go to a sex party never is a long no matter how attractive

Miss D. Mariethe women were that's a party just for you just all Asian PT women with no oh for me I mean I can get behind that one that point that's just an orgy I can get

Brian Atlasbehind that but like if it's like swingers and like no you don't want anybody to watch you no I get all the women to myself yeah I'll sure I'll take

Brian Atlasthat never never going to happen but I'll gladly take it um Okay so so you would uh you went to a bunch of these parties over the course of a

Brian Atlascouple months um now when you said there were you did 10 in a night would it be like was it group sex or would it be like one after the other and it was like

Brian Atlasindividual sex okay good good times good times in a very like rapid physical way yeah okay

Brian Atlasall right and let's see uh well the original question was the roster thing so we're going around the table uh do do you have or have you ever excuse me do you currently have or have you ever had

Farha Khana roster no I'm like disgustingly monoamorous I get like Tunnel Vision on the first dat and I'll like delete dating apps if I like someone okay so annoying um I am similar and I'm trying

Miss D. Mariesorry how's knowing that I do that as well like I hyperfocus like I'll I'll T I'll tunnel vision someone um which I've actually had to get out of doing um because dating okay goad go ahead sorry

Brian Atlasthey just say you shouldn't do that so I've been trying not to roster roster roster I I I tend not to have a roster no okay what about you no what if please speak into the mic if you can

Rosie Geneneno and the guys don't need to answer and whatever of course so is that across the board yes is that what that is and I will say I definitely don't feel like my my like future SLC current

Rosie Genenegoals are not roster based like in fact the people that I've had like situationally they' fizzled out because I've kind of just I'm just not interested in that anymore I'm looking for like a completely

Brian Atlasdifferent dating experience that's just like where I was on that okay got it and let me get into some my notes here finally so uh let's see uh okay you said

Brian Atlasyou had some insane stories to tell us Rosie is this related to the BBW sex Wier groups or yeah I mean like yeah like with the group sex and stuff like um Nick could you close that door but

Rosie Genenebut I the rest of the world doesn't need to hear this more or less I mean it seems like the the audience here is pretty not interested in hearing about those types

Brian Atlasof things they might be no this audience is people out there because the door open are going the door no no it's just getting cold that's why it's cold the young children outside yeah the young children outside don't need to hear this

Rosie Genenethat's all I'm saying yeah well I just think that I'm trying to think cuz I I probably should have thought this more thoroughly because I was thinking about like I mentioned some of those different dating

Rosie Geneneexperiences but like I mean I met people who I like during that time the closest thing I had to a relationship because I was like extremely emotionally unavailable was someone that I met

Rosie Genenethrough um what what they called like the vanilla parties which were like the nonsex parties um and um he ended up like going to them and stuff and uh we

Rosie Genenewould hook up probably like you know a few times a week I'd say and like once he and I became more of a thing I like backed down of the parties and then some stuff started coming up and I started

Rosie Genenereally understanding like the Dynamics of the parties and like how kind of predatory and weird they were set up and I started waking up to like basically realizing what I was doing cuz I was I at the time I was living my life on

Rosie Geneneautop pilot and I was just kind of like yeah yeah whatever like nothing matters type attitude toward everything so um once I started like

Rosie Genenethinking things through and then I I was like slowly backing out of the parties and then something um like major like personally in my life happened that had me completely back out of it okay um you

Brian Atlassaid in your notes here that uh you've you're currently celibate by choice while on your healing Journey you're no longer casually dating how long have you been celibate for so the last time I

Rosie Genenehooked up with someone was in February or no I'm sorry that's wrong um since June but that was a uh kind of like a return thing with with uh you recycled it was like going back to somebody it

Brian Atlaswasn't like a new dating experience it wasn't a new body you recycled the body sure if you want to use that kind of language recycl that's what that's what it's called recycling if you don't want to add to your body not doing it again

Brian Atlasif you've already done it once with them it's like uh you're recycling a body okay all right now you don't you object to the just such a deranged way of looking at like human relationships well

Farha KhanI mean that's you're talking purely sex feel like it's at least so obsessed quantity you'd rather just say recycle a body like it's just that's the terminology that's that's the terms people You' never don't F voluntarily uh

Farha Khanwait what like that's just like not like people who like normally date and see each other aren't using these terms it's very like dehumanized I've never used that it's not dehumanizing like you're studying romance from afar from like an

Andrew Wilsonincel Community oh yeah so it's all insults how dare they how dare well how dare people use something that obviously this is actually a term wait wait

Brian Atlaswait stop pay picking for him right now y let me talk please this is a term I've actually heard originating from women women use this term oh I'm recycling a body so I don't add to my body pressure

Farha Khanof this like Obsession to always have a low body count so I've heard women say too like I'm recycling bod so my body count doesn't go you've heard it from women too so why are you saying that it's like it's like this incel community it's like

Brian Atlasfrom men and I mean women insults exist no I'm not about women inels but I disagree I don't think a woman can be an inso yeah why is that like genuinely I'm

Brian Atlascurious because men men will do anything with two legs because because not all men say all men if any woman if any woman was so inclined to

Brian Atlasget laid she could regardless of her personality regardless of her level of physical ATT I guess I think there's no it's the belie system well for example there was

Brian Atlasa there was a Reddit Community dedicated to Fem cells women who consider themselves involuntarily celibate and it like was bombarded with men who were propositioning these women with sex the

Andrew Wilsonreverse is not the case there's not just women flocking to incel communities to these right if there was a male version of you he's not having sex at sex parties and having sex with people back

Brian Atlasin June there's not it's not going to happen you think sex party why would you disagree with that he's go to the SE sex party I would say well I what I would argue

Brian Atlasthough is that a man who's obese is going to struggle far more when it comes to purely getting sex than a woman who's obese that's the point yeah well you're not really an insult you can go to

Andrew WilsonNevada and book a prostitute if you want to well but that would still be involuntarily yeah because in that case prostitution is not doesn't count he's talking about he's yeah he's talking about sex between uh two consenting

Andrew Wilsonadults absent money when you're not paying them for it that's the point of it okay yeah like oh well I mean you could just go buy a a prostitute what we want is different too like women want

Miss D. Mariethe money I mean will be okay with having money and men like the the the drive is also very different wait just in general like you mean the sex drive yeah like for instance like a man doesn't necessarily like a man would pay

Farha Khanfor sex but a woman won't necessarily have to pay for sex but there's other things that we might do that we'll have to like for intimacy exactly Point like when we talk about incels like they could book a prostitute but typically like you were saying they're looking for

Farha Khansomeone who's like enthusiastically consenting to it so typically they're not just looking for sex because they could go to a hooker they're looking for some level of intimacy so analogously fem cells yes they could be propositioned by those guys on the Reddit but they're looking for someone

Andrew Wilsonwho actually cares about them comp this is also bad presupposition for a different reason another reason this is a bad presupposition is they may not be going to a hooker not because they don't want to or they don't just want sex but because they may have religious

Andrew Wilsonconvictions or other values which conflict with doing something like that so if they have that strong of a religious conviction should be so hellbent almost done calm down calm down far before you start spur talking and

Andrew Wilsonturbo talking let me just finish the point I think I'm saying a sound just it'll be just as sound when I'm done maybe let's just we just got to avoid bad at I'm S I have to moderate myself so anyway just yeah just chill out I'm almost done chill out chill out

Andrew Wilsonchill out I'm when they say calm down yeah so I didn't say calm down you calm down so anyway what what I what I was getting at here was just to say there could be other convictions there there

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