4v4 Debate GOD Andrew Wilson vs. Feminists! Virgin GIGACHAD! Jaquan! Farha! | Dating Talk #124

Date: 2023-12-04

Duration: 5h 58m

Guests

Brian Atlas

RRosie Genene >

MMiss D. Marie >

KKimberly (DT124)>

MMadison (SBCC)>

QQ Jquan (DT139)>

MMason Gregoire >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_04Miss D. Marie(guest)

SPEAKER_05Rosie Genene(guest)

SPEAKER_06Farha Khan(guest)

SPEAKER_08Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Mason Gregoire(guest)

SPEAKER_11Kimberly(guest)

SPEAKER_13J'Quan (Jaquan)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroRosie Genene introduces herself: 32yo patient care advocate for oncology pharmacy and part-time YouTube vlogger (quirky love rose).

“hello my name is Rosie genene I go by quirky love rose on the internet I am 32 just had my birthday a couple weeks ago I am a full-time patient care advocate for a specialty pharmacy specializing oncology as well as a part-time vlogger on YouTube”

IntroFarha Khan introduces herself: 24yo content creator on TikTok/Instagram; best content on OnlyFans.

“hi my name is far KH I'm 24 years old um I'm a content creator on Tik Tok and Instagram but my best content is on onlyfans.com”

IntroMiss D. Marie introduces herself: actress and model, from Seattle, resides in LA.

“uh Miss D Marie uh I just had a birthday too and I'm an actress plus model I'm from Seattle but I reside in La”

IntroKimberly introduces herself: 22yo caregiver/babysitter from Indio near Coachella.

“hello my name is Kimberly I'm 22 years old I'm a caregiver SL babysitter and I'm from Indio by Coachella”

IntroMadison introduces herself: 19yo from San Diego, full-time SBCC business student, Whatever Podcast staff, and bar host at The Quill.

“my name is Madison I'm 19 years old I'm from San Diego California I'm a full-time student at Santa Barbara City College studying business I work for the whatever podcast and I'm a host at a bar the qill”

IntroJ'Quan introduces himself: 30yo behavioral scientist, certified relationship coach, YouTuber, influencer, book author.

“30 years old behavioral scientist certified relationship coach YouTuber influencer book author”

IntroMason Gregoire introduces himself: 27yo, primarily a Christ follower, mechanical engineer, content creator, competitive powerlifter.

“Mason greguar um as always uh primarily a Christ follower um I am a mechanical engineer content creator uh competitive powerlifter uh 27 years old”

IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself: host of The Crucible; content creator; works in robotics; 39 years old; happily married.

“name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible um so I I guess I'm mostly a content creator now I also work um kind of in the same type of field except in robotics um 39 years old happily married”

QuoteMason Gregoire confirms he is a virgin waiting until marriage for religious reasons (Christian conviction).

“yeah it's uh it's for religious reasons well I mean as a Christian it's something I'm convicted of I mean the Bible speaks on it all the time so that's stance I take on that and uh I take it seriously and more so that you're also you're waiting till marriage yes I'm also waiting till marriage”

QuoteRosie discloses being groomed into feederism (death feederism) by a stalker she met in 2012-2013 who later hacked her Cash App and cloned her phone number in 2021.

“hi my name is Rosie and I was groomed into feederism feederism is a kink like a sexual King regarding feeding someone generally for the purpose of them being fat or getting fat”

QuoteRosie discloses attending BBW swinger parties in Atlanta area in 2019 and having up to 10 partners in one night during her post-breakup 'party phase.'

“at one night 10 was that like an intentional goal like you went in no it actually was kind of accidental I just like I was very laid fair about life at the time”

Key MomentAndrew Wilson debates Farha Khan on the ethics of OnlyFans consumption under her claim 'there is no ethical consumption under capitalism.' Andrew points out this implies OnlyFans consumption is either unethical or morally neutral.

“they can't be ethically neutral if she says every single time is she say no ethical not unethical those are two different things yes so it's so everything under your worldview then when it comes to capitalism is either immoral or morally neutral”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues body shaming serves a legitimate societal corrective function — shame keeps people from publicly normalizing unhealthy behaviors and discourages others from following the same path.

“the constructive criticism it's a shaming tactic so that everybody who sees a person like you out there trying to say it's okay... they're trying to instill a sense of shame so that if other women see that they don't go that road”

Key MomentAndrew Wilson states he required his wife to get a paternity test regardless of his trust in her, and if she objected he would leave.

“you're going to get the test and if not I'm out the door period”

QuoteMisty (Miss D. Marie) rates herself a 10 and defends it as self-love philosophy: 'I am a Misty 10.'

“I took a long time for me to love myself and I do now and so yeah I think that like you know I'm I'm my I'm a misty 10”

Key MomentSelf-ratings round: Rosie 8, Farha 8.5, Misty 10, Mason 10, Kimberly 7, Madison 8, Andrew Wilson 4, Brian 5. Andrew Wilson defends his 4 as an objective assessment; debates Rosie and Misty on subjective vs. objective beauty standards.

“eight today 8.5 8 8.5 I'm a 10 seven eight 6.5 uh I'd say 7.5 to 8 four... I I used to say six I'm a five in front of all these beautiful women how could I ever not humble myself down to a four”

QuoteRosie discloses her body count is approximately 50-60.

“probably somewhere between 50 to 60”

OtherBrian refuses to rebook Gabby or Shannon after they flaked on the show day-of, calling it a breach of commitment. Misty reads Gabby's text message (about her dating situation, not an apology), which Brian dismisses.

“I'm not considering them again for future shows because if you're going to do that to us there's there's no guarantee that you're not going to just flake last minute again”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship statuses

Brian introduces panel: Rosie (32, patient care advocate/vlogger, single 2.5yr, ex-fat acceptance), Farha (24, content creator/OnlyFans, single 1.5yr/fabstinent), Miss D. Marie/Misty (24, actress/model, single 4yr), Kimberly (22, caregiver, single 1.5yr), Madison (19, SBCC/Whatever staff, in relationship 1yr3mo), J'Quan (30, behavioral scientist/coach/author, single), Mason Gregoire (27, mechanical engineer/virgin/powerlifter, single), Andrew Wilson (39, The Crucible, married).

Three guests cancelled day-of; show discussion

Brian explains three originally scheduled guests (Gabby, Shannon, and a third) flaked on the day of taping. Gabby cancelled for a paid Nike modeling shoot. Shannon had logistical issues getting a ride (was going to ride with Gabby). Brian vents about flake culture affecting production. Misty (Miss D. Marie) had planned to give Gabby and Shannon a ride. Brian states he will not rebook Gabby or Shannon.

Plus-size dating: would you date a plus-size man/woman

Initially a plus-size panel theme. Rosie (self-described 'super fat') discusses logistical challenges of dating another plus-size person. Explains the fat spectrum (small fats, mid fats, large fats, super fats, infinity fats). Discusses her history in fat acceptance movement (since 2013) and her departure. Now pursuing health improvement; approved for Mounjaro. Disclosed feederism grooming story (stalker, 2012-2021). Discussion of feederism vs. death feederism. Misty discusses attraction to athletic men despite being plus-size herself.

Rosie Genene's feederism and BBW party history

Rosie discloses being groomed into feederism by a stalker in 2012-2013. Explains feederism (sexual kink around feeding to gain weight) and death feederism (feeding to the point of death). Her viral TikTok on the topic on We're All Insane podcast with D'Ora. Separately discloses attending BBW (Big Beautiful Women) parties and swinger parties in Atlanta-area Georgia during a breakup in 2019. States she had up to 10 partners in one night during this period. Body count ~50-60.

Brian's and panelists' preferences in partners

Extended round of each panelist stating dating preferences. Brian: slight preference for Asian/white women, petite, natural (no plastic surgery, no makeup, no perfume), introverted/modest, low body count. Farha: intelligent man, no porn/strip clubs, high sexual discipline. Misty: athletic, ~5'10" minimum height, intelligent, spiritual. Kimberly: wants dates/activities, someone serious about relationships. Madison: committed, honest, loyal. J'Quan: cute face, nice waist-hip ratio, emotionally stable, high conscientiousness, introverted types. Mason: devout Christian, marriage-minded, virgin or willing to repent, wants large family. Andrew Wilson: 'unicorn' — woman who prioritizes duty over self-interest.

Plastic surgery debate

Brian explains why he prefers natural women: associates cosmetic surgery with body dysmorphia, vanity, high maintenance, and misrepresentation of genetics for offspring. Andrew Wilson asks if Brian would recommend surgery to a hypothetical plain-looking daughter to boost her confidence. Brian argues getting in the gym is far more effective and authentic. Andrew frames surgery preference as signaling women prioritizing self over duty. Discussion of breast implants, BBL, lipo, veneers, rhinoplasty.

OnlyFans ethics and capitalism debate

Farha makes claim 'there is no ethical consumption under capitalism.' Andrew Wilson debates her on the logical implications: is OnlyFans consumption then unethical or merely morally neutral? Farha clarifies she misspoke — meant to say the ethical landscape is more complex. Extended philosophical debate on whether ethical positives exist under capitalism. Andrew and Farha debate strawmanning, moral absolutes, and Farha's dyslexia affecting her phrasing.

Body shaming as a societal tool

Andrew Wilson defends body shaming as a societal corrective mechanism to disincentivize obesity. Rosie argues shame is harmful and encourages eating disorder mindsets. Andrew cites shame's historical role in maintaining social standards. Farha asks whether random cruel comments (gorlock, hippo) are really a societal correction tool or just sadism. Brian admits he retitled a past episode 'gorlock the Destroyer' for searchability, not as a societal statement. Extended debate over whether public figures promoting body acceptance should be subject to public critique.

Confidence vs. modesty in women

Rosie asks whether confidence or modesty is more important in women from a male perspective. Brian: prefers modest women who approach him nervously over confidently. Andrew Wilson: confidence is a more masculine trait; men look for feminine traits (modesty) in women. J'Quan agrees, adding that church/clergy focus on male pride issues. Mason concurs. Farha and Rosie push back on gendering of traits.

Mandatory paternity testing debate

Brian asks whether mandatory paternity testing would help or hurt women. Andrew Wilson: strongly for it; required his own wife to get one regardless of trust. Mason: agrees, notes accidental hospital baby mix-ups. Rosie: concerned about government overreach but acknowledges it could help with child support enforcement. Farha: objects philosophically — adds a bureaucratic layer, prefers individual autonomy. Andrew dismantles her trust-based objections. Brian cites disputed statistic that 33% of children may not belong to the father they believe is their father.

Self-ratings (looks 1-10)

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks. Ratings (in order): Rosie: 8. Farha: 8.5. Misty: 10. J'Quan (implied). Mason: 10. Kimberly: 7. Madison: 8. Andrew Wilson: 4. Brian: 5. Debate erupts over Rosie and Misty's ratings. Andrew Wilson challenges them on subjective vs. objective attractiveness standards. Rosie defends her 8 as self-esteem rather than comparison. Misty defends 10 as self-love philosophy. Andrew argues ratings must account for external perceptions.

Body count round and double standards

Brian goes around table asking body counts. Rosie: 50-60. Farha: 0 (disputed by Andrew, citing her scripted TikTok skits). Misty: 8-9 (Brian estimate; she declined). Kimberly: did not clearly state. Madison: did not disclose. J'Quan: 'lost count; been around the block' (previously said 50-60 in another context). Mason: 0 (virgin). Andrew Wilson: married/declined. Brian: 8-9. Extended debate on whether body count double standards are justified. Rosie argues the double standard exists but doesn't make it wrong. Andrew argues it is entirely rational and evolutionarily grounded.

Patriarchy, white male privilege, feminism debate

Brian asks whether panelists consider themselves feminist. Rosie: no (not exactly); uses systemic definition. Farha: yes by Brian's most generous definition (advocates for women's rights). Misty: mixed. Kimberly: no. Madison: not labelled. J'Quan and Andrew: no. Debate over whether feminism fights for equality or only for women's benefit. Brian argues feminists would not support conscription for women. Andrew argues feminists' core principle of egalitarianism is internally inconsistent given their opposition to outcomes that don't benefit women. Debate over racism toward white people and sexism toward men (systemic power definitions). Reaction to memes about male privilege (D-Day, oil rigs, power line workers). Andrew argues men maintain civilization's infrastructure.

Dating deal breakers reaction (Reddit post)

Brian reacts to a Reddit post from a 29-year-old man listing his dating deal breakers: cheated in the past, takes recreational drugs regularly, incurable STD, in a situationship/FWB, poor hygiene, sex worker (online or in person), extreme political views, single mother. Panel discusses whether the list is too strict. Rosie objects to single mother as blanket deal breaker. Farha objects to cheating-in-past as absolute. Andrew defends the list. J'Quan notes past cheating is a leading predictor of future cheating.

Can you be sexist against men / racist against white people

Brian asks the panel. Rosie: women cannot be sexist to men under systemic definition; racism requires systemic power. Farha: believes you can be sexist to men; applies systemic-power definition to racism. Misty: can be sexist to men (no); can be racist to white people (yes, location-dependent). Kimberly: cannot be sexist to men; can be racist to white people. Madison and Andrew: yes to both. Brian posits: could Barack Obama as president have held racist views toward a white homeless person? Misty says yes, some would value the white homeless man above the black president. Extended debate on systemic power, epigenetics, and the moral equivalence of bigotry vs. racism.

Reactions to dangerous male jobs videos

Brian and Andrew react to videos of male-dominated dangerous jobs: iron workers on high-rises, oil rig workers, power line workers in snow (China), helicopter-attached power line workers. Discussion of how infrastructure jobs are almost entirely male-staffed. Andrew argues this constitutes men sustaining civilization's physical infrastructure with their lives while women benefit from it. Panel debates whether these men are forced to do these jobs vs. voluntary. Mason argues 2,200 years of history shows women cannot maintain infrastructure without men.

Closing discussion and wrap-up

Brian wraps up. Final discussion: Gabby's message read by Misty (she sent texts about dating situation rather than an apology; Brian uninterested). Brian on commitment ethics — argues once you commit to an appearance you should honor it even if a better opportunity arises. Brief discussion of upcoming Thursday debate show. Brian thanks panel and closes.

Transcript

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Farha Khanthat's the stupidest thing I've heard out of you tonight why would you do anything if you didn't care because reversely I wouldn't set boundaries purely based on how I feel about it so for instance if I was overly jealous about my husband having a female

J'Quan (Jaquan)coworker I wouldn't then say quit your job because this makes me feel bad so it goes both that's something you care about yes it's both ways I I get what you're saying but hypothetically you're hypothetically what you're saying is you

Farha Khancan have values without having emotion tied to those values and and typically they are correlated but not always so same way I can you know value honesty and trust and maybe I have a visceral reaction and you having a female cooworker and that could be irrational

Farha Khanso I'm not going to deduce my boundaries from my emotions and likewise I'm not going to always where does that happen though where where does that actually happen especially in the context of a relationship having a female coworker well the distin is feel irrationally jealous about my husband having a female

Farha Khancoworker it happens every day the distinction here is care in the what so what you're doing rationally sorry go ahead man sorry what you said irrationally you feeling that was my whole point I can have rational boundaries and standards that don't always correlate to whether I feel good

Andrew Wilsonor bad because people feel bad all the time about things that are irrational such as your husband having a female cooworker yes so I would then say don't do this thing because it doesn't make because it makes me feel bad so that was my whole point yes you you can I'm saying you can't in this context so with

Andrew Wilsonthe problem that you made with this particular hypothetical when you reverse it you introduce care and I'm saying fine you can introduce care it works in that hypothetical the opposition hypothetical doesn't because I'm claiming that any of the standards that

Andrew Wilsonyou would appeal to for why you would not take that test are going to appeal to care and therefore feel bad I disagree and I already laid it out nope you gave me a hypothetical where you

Farha Khanjust reintroduced the word care again and said in this case if I did care then blah blah are I was saying people set boundaries in Rel relationships that are completely dispar from whether they feel

Farha Khangood or bad so same way again I may feel bad if my husband has a female coworker I'm not going to then say you can only work with men or you can only go to an all male gym yes and likewise I might say don't text other girls and don't text with other girls but whether I

Andrew Wilsonbreak up with you isn't going to be contingent on whether when I find out I cry about it or not no no no feel disect disrespect is maybe the varable here yeah before you even cry about it why did you set the standard to

Andrew Wilsonbegin with because of certain values in the relationship because things you care about that's what I was saying care about but not feel good or bad you said whether it hurts her feelings why do you how could you care about it if you don't feel good or bad about it I just

Andrew Wilsonexplained how no you really didn't in this context that doesn't work why would you set the standards if you didn't care about the standards because you felt good or bad about the standard because I can think there's certain shut up I can think there's certain pillars sorry I

Farha Khanthink I could think there's certain pillars that breed a stronger relationship regardless of whether or not I personally feel good or bad about it I know you agree with that then why do you care about the stronger pillar cuz I want a strong relationship because

Andrew Wilsonyou care about it and you'll feel good because you valued the relationship you wanted to have because you care about it I didn't say care wasn't a variable I said feeling good or bad I'm saying you can't have the feel good or bad if you

Andrew Wilsoncare about something you have to have the feel good or bad I gave you an example in which you don't that doesn't have to be the case with the c you actually didn't what you do in that example is you just say yes in that casee for care I do feel good or bad and

Farha Khanthen I set reasonable boundaries but no I said you don't you don't deduce the boundaries from feeling good or bad I think you do Nobody Does that everyone does that everybody does every jealous

Andrew Wilsonevery jealous wife says you can't work with other women no no no but the reason that they would say that or not say that is because they care about it and so therefore the the fact that they care about it is why they set the boundary

Farha Khanfor good or it makes me feel good or makes me feel bad cuz I care about it yeah the emotion because still feel bad about about it but they still let their husband work with other women because they realize they're not have do mean they feel bad about it the reason they

Andrew Wilsonthey could still feel bad about it and allow it but they still feel bad I know you see my point and I'm saying that from your perspective in this particular case why shouldn't a man or why shouldn't a woman take the paternity

Farha Khantest if a man asks her to other than I feel bad that you asked me to do that and I told you why her feelings are irregardless of the fact that maybe she wants have a strong pillar of having trust faith in the

Farha Khanrelationship same way maybe I don't personally feel good or bad if my boyfriend says share your location with me but maybe I'll say like okay but if you don't trust me then this probably isn't going to be like a sustained relationship for a long period of time

Andrew Wilsonand okay the the word trust there doing a lot of heavy lifting for your point so I feel like I feel like you would meish I just you I want to say I didn't I'm

Farha Khannot even disputing the fact or like the sorry of requesting um a paternity test you were just asking what are some other obje yeah it's your prog but even in that even in that you're using the word

Andrew Wilsontrust there it's doing a lot of heavy lifting for your argument am I to assume that you care about trust then mhm yes I never on a variable I said feeling good or bad stop stop why would you care

Farha Khanabout the trust why would you care about the trust because having a strong sense of trust in a relationship leads to a healthier relationship regardless of whether I feel good or bad so even though I may feel bad about the fact that my husband has a female coworker if

Andrew Wilsonif I have a strong sense of trust that takes precedence over my feelings of good or bad yeah okay forget the the absent analogy inside of your relationship without qualifiers right

Andrew Wilsonwithout going just like just ask answer the single question that's so funny Brian just answer the single no Brian tell me what's so funny I no far answer the single just answer the single

Andrew Wilsonquestion trust inside of this hypothetical okay inside of your own hypothetical the paternity one or the the paternity one which is doing all the heavy lifting

Andrew Wilsonhere the word trust there implies you care we agree right that you care about trust yeah yes and and do you care about the trust because if you can't trust the

Andrew Wilsonother person right it would elicit a negative feeling in you no no okay wow and there's nothing I can do nothing he can do there's nothing what do you mean w it doesn't make it it doesn't make

J'Quan (Jaquan)sense it literally does it doesn't it doesn't make sense it it doesn't it doesn't make sense cuz psychologically that's just not how strong healthy relationship don't you feel good yes and I'm saying you could have a strong

Farha Khanhealthy relationship and still get feelings of jealousy that have nothing to do with whether you trust the person or not yeah but you but people get jealous if like a waiter hits on their husband even if they know their husband will never in a million years sleep with

Farha Khanthat waiter it doesn't make yeah but all that is aner by the feelings yeah well I mean you're all missing my point okay we're all missing my point you we're sorry you just came in and started laughing at him as if you understood

J'Quan (Jaquan)anything we not we not yeah it is it is because at the end of the day anything that involves two people being together is going to be predicated on emotion regardless regardless I think no matter

Mason Gregoirewhat happens like there is a negative or positive response and you have the I see I think you do have the choice the argument for me Brian I think you do have the choice whether you're going to express that or not yeah like you internally you're going to have a

Mason Gregoirepositive or negative you're going to have a physiological maybe you won't express it tell me anything you deduced from that just what do you mean I'm I'm Focus I you know come in and laugh but far was

J'Quan (Jaquan)that the distinction you was making not like they feel it but they don't act on it or like you can feel jealousy typically people create boundaries in the relationship that are completely despit

Farha Khanfrom how they feel cuz I might feel jealousy towards my husband even being around another woman but I'm never going to actually realistically ask him to work in an all male office so likewise I may feel offended or I may care about the fact that we don't have trust in a

Farha Khanrelationship without it making me necessarily feel bad cuz that was all in response to him saying what would be the only objection to asking for a paternity test other than it makes my wife feel bad and I said she might recognize that there's a lack of trust in the

Brian Atlasrelationship which is a necessary pillar for a long healthy relationship yeah I don't I don't I don't think that's okay so possible move on yeah well I got a question here first we got a chat here

Brian Atlasfrom Lam dis sky thank you for the Canadian 100 man thank you appreciate it preferences are not aching to law like religion because we believe that God holds us accountable to his laws your preferences are not enforced by an

Brian Atlasexternal entity and are ultimately within your control Andrew I respect your conviction unfort bro I always okay I I'll wait till he's back here we have another chat though while we wait for

Brian AtlasAndrew to come back Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to 10 their looks physical looks

Brian Atlasscale 1 to 10 we'll start with you we'll go around the table go ahead eight today 8.5 8 8.5 I'm a

Mason Gregoire10 seven eight 6.5 uh I'd say 7.58 four is that that's lower than last time

Andrew WilsonI I used to say six I'm a five in front of all these beautiful women how could I ever not humble myself down to a four really

Brian Atlasproud of you Andrew yeah took guts I'm a five I give myself a five so wait eight 8.5 10 seven eight okay all right Brian you

Andrew Wilsonrated yourself lower than usual yeah I've dropped I've been six and a half see now that's humble yeah that's humility that's humble that's

Brian Atlashumility right that's the thing that's usually harder for men to do just just just say it just point it I've noticed a pattern here I think men tend to fairly accurately self assess

Miss D. Marietheir own level of physical attractiveness whereas I've heard more self-esteem issues than women do what's that I've heard men have more self-esteem issues

Miss D. Mariethan women do I feel like I disagree a little bit why would you say that just and I also heard that they're also more emotional um are they who have you heard these things yeah because well I mean you guys will act off based off pride

Miss D. Marieand that is going to be like an emotion thing um not necessarily logic do you think men or women have more cosmetic surgery I think probably women yeah probably women do you think that that's because they have way more self-esteem

Miss D. Mariethan men I don't think that necessarily what I'm talking about is the same thing I just mean well I think it is symmetric well for instance for instance you just rated your shelf a four right and and maybe people may not agree with you and I just

Andrew Wilsonred myself a 10 and people may not agree with me right but we're just talking about simple our self-esteem my self-esteem is clearly higher no I'm not sure that we are I think that what we're talking about is value judgment and I think that I'm making a way better value

Andrew Wilsonjudgment than the value judgment that you're making so the value judgment that I'm making is this I'm old and I'm married and I'm out of shape and I smoke right and I'm not a very pleasant person to be around for long periods of time

Andrew Wilsonespecially for the opposite sex like I know all of these things about myself so my value judgment overall is a four tell me the value judgment of how you came to a 10 oh yeah um I just think that in

Miss D. Mariegeneral we should think that we are great right so you just decided it with there's no value judgment there you just decided it yeah he asked me what I would rap myself and because it's my opinion

Miss D. Marieabout myself I am took a long time for me to love myself and I do now and so yeah I think that like you know I'm I'm my I'm a misty 10 I have a question for you wait hold

Rosie Geneneon just one sec um do you think you're 75 I said eight oh yeah get it right did you how did you come to that value judgment because I don't put within my

Rosie Genenevalue within a rig a rigidity a rigidity that's not the right word rigidity rigidity um I don't put that within that rigidity of certain I guess value

Rosie Genenejudgments more subjective opinions about what value is because I know my value I

Rosie Geneneknow my worth and I know my beauty that I hold with Within Myself for myself and that is appreciated by other people

Rosie Genenebecause at the end of the day beauty is subjective and it is absolutely within my right to hold myself to a higher value and how I conduct myself in the world around me yeah but the when you're

Andrew Wilsontalking about the value judgment here my wife I'm sure that she has a way higher value judgment of me than I have of me I would agree that she probably should from her subjective assessment she probably thinks I'm a great provider she thinks I'm a great father she thinks I

Andrew Wilsontake care of all my responsibilities and duties she can 100% trust me um so she probably has this really high value judgment of me but when I'm doing an

Andrew Wilsonactual assessment of me like Andrew Wilson the person and my looks and how it's reflected outwards to other people right I'm adding this value this value

Andrew Wilsonthis value this value this value like a mathematical formula to come up with that equals four what are you doing to come up with that other than then I just think that we should have high

Rosie Geneneself-esteem so that we cuz I just think so because I know I'm a good person because frankly if we want to get aesthetic I don't have a busted face I'm fat and if people want to reduce my

Rosie Genenevalue because of my fatness that's not my problem and that is not the um ideology I hold for myself um I am someone who is pursuing weight loss not

Rosie Genenefor Aesthetics not for looks but for my health and it is something I'm moving forward forward with because I have been for the past 2 to 3 years now working on

Rosie Genenemy selflove and loving myself into a place to care enough about myself to take my health back into control when I was being consistently shamed when I was

Rosie Genenegang stocked on r/ fat people hate in 2015 when I have I'm still speaking looks it I'm still speaking it works because you're going to change you're really great at overt talking and being

Brian Atlasdisrespectful and i' love the opportunity to get my point across okay but the just just to cut in here a little bit the original question was rate your looks cuz you mentioned your personality you have a great personality

Rosie Geneneor whatever it is and I and like I said my fatness doesn't devalue me why so I'm an a why doesn't it because I think that fat can be it's my assessment of my

Andrew Wilsonlooks right yeah but why why is it that your own assessment of your looks has nothing to do with how the external World perceives you that's my don't give a CU you don't care so there's no real value Jud I don't care about other

Andrew Wilsonpeople's opinion of me it's not more important than opinion I myself and if you don't if you don't live that way that sucks for you if there's a value judgment of how you would self assess your own looks the only possible

Andrew Wilsonconceivable metric I could even think of would be the perception of how other people view you for your value judgment I was in a relationship for almost 8

Rosie Geneneyears with someone who thought my body he had everen that was for and he had told me that those the more often than not go ahead he had told me that

Rosie Genenemore often can you speak certain yeah he had told me that more often than not I have been pursued by many men who think I am gorgeous and beautiful that perception exists whether you have it or

Andrew Wilsonnot okay so assume for a second I can assume inside of like I can Envision a world where you're the only human being who's inside of the world and guess what I'll never be the only one who thinks I'm hot and I know that bugs the if

Andrew Wilsonyou're the only human being who's inside of a world I can perceive I can perceive that I can come up with whatever metric I want for myself because I have nothing to compare it to so if I have nothing to

Andrew Wilsoncompare it to and I have nobody else's value judgment then I can say I'm the most beautiful person who's ever lived and I would that would be true but if I have the value judgment of hundreds of millions of people to compare the

Andrew Wilsonstandard to and I know that I'm below that threshold and just decide that I'm above that threshold anyway not Bas on anything objective you're just making up ask us our opinion so yes it was

Rosie Genenea madeup opinion from us yeah it is for sure way overstated that was the point the only person who does not happy your perception of your truth is not the same

Miss D. Mariefor myself or or anyone else yeah what is I mean what is truth in a world that and what societal standards in what country I must in every country on planet Earth she's not an eight you're

Rosie Geneneridiculous ridiculous in different places different people like different things yeah he's so combative bro it's wild he gets very upset and do you know what reality is that is the bottom line here and I've been

Rosie Genenerespectful for how many it's not disrespectful I'm just telling you what's true oh what was what was the about me being a mother bro the energy you put towards it that I'm not I'm not going to I have been taking it respectfully for hours

Miss D. Marienow but to be fair also it's interesting to claim to be so religious and so close to Jesus and be so NE to tell the truth no I'm just saying just to be what would Jesus do he'd be

Rosie Genenelike you're a tense sweee the other I he would love me as one of God's children he would know that if my and my life know you're F whether

Miss D. Mariehe loves and you know what being fat is not bad it's embarrassing though to claim the religion you have how negative how negative you just crazy there's going to be other people who are going to be like I don't claim this because it's like this is part of the

Miss D. Mariereason why you're you're hypocritical hpoc climing to love and be this one big thing and then to be so negative instead of encouraging or say even anything in actually

Andrew Wilsonneighbor constructive way you kind of just get pink and start yelling the only way the only way yeah he gets real like the only way that I can get get a word in when you shrill harpies or screeching

Rosie Geneneis for me to talk loudly oh no you I mean you're really great at over talking as one of your well I have to cut into cut down the prattle that's true push back on pink after all of this

Brian AtlasI'm a terrible moderator okay I'm a I'm a dog moderator okay hold on let me just come in really quick let me just come in all right put your put your swords away for

Brian Atlasjust a sec the views expressed by the panelists do not necessarily reflect the views of me or the whatever podcast now

Brian Atlasuh you said Okay I I have a question for you I have a question for you what do you I think you said women should view themselves better not just women people in general in general but so do you

Miss D. Mariethink all women should view themselves as tense I would love them to yes and not because everyone also agrees with them let me ask you a question are all women tens I have I'm I'm attracted to

Brian Atlasmen no I'm not saying whether you're attracted to them but I'm sure you I'm sure you can recognize a beautiful like a beautiful woman perceptive but do you think all women are tens in their own

Brian Atlasright for sure what not sure what that means but okay uh are all men tens in their own right for sure no but do you think all men are tens in their own right for sure in their I don't really

Miss D. Marieunderstand in their own right appreciate things just I can appreciate things that I'm not necessarily attracted to does that make sense but do okay do you think

Mason Gregoireso in your eye are all men tens like just aesthetically so just by looks I beut and women okay so wom because I

Miss D. Marieknow that someone thinks they're a 10 in my mind mind that's good enough to be part of the 10 yes are would I necessarily date them maybe not but as far as like believing their 10 I know

Miss D. Mariefor instance is ice cream bad just because someone doesn't like the ice cream no everyone's going to have their different opinion of it and so the fact that someone likes green mint ice cream for me it might not be my P but does it make it bad ice cream no it could still

Miss D. Mariebe good ice cream so for that person I don't maybe they're not necessarily if would I date them but do I believe they should think they are a 10 is what I said earlier yes I believe they should think they are 10 I okay I just I think

Andrew Wilsonthey I think all people should love themselves we asked a question way Su so much to not love yourself inste if you mapped it on to reality if you just mapped it onto reality then what would you talking about some other thing yeah what would you say then if you mapped it onto reality what do you mean are all

Andrew Wilsonwomen's T if you mapped it on to reality rather than how you kind of subjectively feel like they should feel about themselves if you were to map it on to reality outside of that subjective analysis would very depending on where

J'Quan (Jaquan)I'm at you're in Kazakhstan I don't know what the women are like so so what would you say for example what would you say what would you say Scarlett Johansson would be aesthetically cross-culturally

Miss D. Marieto most men do you think most men find attract Russian milk depends on I'm I'm only talking from someone who you guys all would not find to be attractive like I'm not someone you're into but I know there's men who think that I'm the and different countries I go like like

Miss D. Mariewe were talking about it last time like I might be like and someone was clowning they're like she's not a Seattle 10 but like I think it really depends on where you're at what country could scar let Johansson be considered not pretty in I don't know I haven't been to all the countries could you even Envision that

Miss D. Mariethere is one I could you could what would you speculate um I would speculate the the the area where it would be attractive would be in a culture where the people look like

Miss D. Mariethat Sweden so you don't Scandinavian countries so what you saying Europe just Europe and I mean sure it depends on I mean I just think you don't think Africa either it depends I'm probably South Africa I don't know I don't know I I

Miss D. Mariemean it just depends like I'm going to go different places and people are going to receive me different I was considered to be beautiful in China but not necessarily someone they would be attracted to if that makes sense and when I went to Trinidad I was the in California people don't really care

Miss D. Mariethat much because I'm not necessarily their societal standards of beauty so I really think it depends on where I'm at or where the person's at I'm not going to I'm not trying to be mean here but no one's a

Brian AtlasI I don't think you're a 10 I know you said that what did she say I'm seven see look Catholic that's why it's Catholic I was raised Catholic what does that have to do with anything here we have we have

Brian Atlasanother conversational thread here that we can get into uh Misty last time we were on we got into a big fun debate we were talking about the patriarchy and

Brian Atlassystems and oppressor oppressed we talked about white men you remember you remember can't can't remember now I have the ultimate representative here of the

Brian Atlaspatriarch and I was hoping that you guys could have a calm and collected conversation

Brian Atlasabout I don't know patriarchy and systems of the oppressors and the oppressed white men you want a white male to have a conversation about who's

Miss D. Marieoppressed with a black female yes that sounds dope not going to lie the white half of you I don't know that I need to have thank you I don't I don't know that I know I just don't know that I've got that all in my in my I came here to talk

Brian Atlasabout dating I don't want to talk about that with my grandfather wait who's your grandfather sorry my grandfather's also a white male so I'm just like I want to have that did you just say something rather agist no

Miss D. MarieI'm talking about I'm deeply offended that you talking I just I was raised by a white male and a white female and so yeah the the the experiences we have are so

Miss D. Marievastly different that I'm just not even interested in going down that road it's like standpoint the I'm just it's a lot it for me it's just it's it's a lot emotionally to have to like um pack that

Andrew WilsonI know you may guys not understand but it's it's no I understand it's called standpoint Theory oh okay so Fe feminist standpoint Theory they went back through and rewrote all of American literally I'm not kidding they rewrote all of

Andrew WilsonAmerican history from the perspective of women because they felt like just giving a detailed actual historic analysis wasn't Fair because had to come from the perspective of women so that's that's what you're talking about is called

Andrew Wilsonstandpoint Theory it's I don't know that I was talking about that well it's the same same that exact thing you're saying because my experience is so vastly different our perspectives are going to be vastly different right but then the question comes down to well which

Brian Atlasperspective should we list no it's not that it's just that I don't want to no okay that's fine well maybe we can maybe we can get back there a littleit l oh talk about that's definitely related to D

Brian Atlaswell feminism you know I think that's very much related to dating because feminism you know feminism um okay so here you want you want to talk about dating let's talk about dating let's

Brian Atlastalk about dating let's talk about body count let's talk about body count should do you object because a lot of times men men care a lot about about this do you

Brian Atlasobject to men caring about a woman's body count starting with you I just think body counts arbitrary arbitrary okay all right far what about

Farha Khanyou um I think I've said before if the man is also highly selective and disciplined I think it's totally his prerogative to prefer a woman with a low body count okay what about you yeah I

Brian Atlasdon't have a issue with it do is it immature I'm sorry is it immature for a guy to care about body count the past is the past I just I really believe that you should get what you want and if

Miss D. Mariethat's something that you want go for it now what would it make me feel sad if I decided if I wasn't part of your your crew and I I liked you and I because of my body count you were not interested

Brian Atlasfor sure but will I live yeah okay I mean you know you're about to be asked a question you could have started this not room here yeah there's no room

Kimberlyokay um I feel like room for you just come this way a little bit no if he takes his leg out then yes but other I feel like it's up to the person to be

Kimberlyhonest like the the girl I mean if she she doesn't mind wait it's a the guy right if the how do you feel about men who care about

Kimberlybody do you object to men having a preference in body count like if no because it's their choice Catholic all right I do not object okay you said it

Rosie Genenewas you said it was arbitrary yeah so to go back on whether I or not I just think that at the end of the day yeah um it's their individ idual right to choose if

Rosie Genenethey care about that aspect or not cuz for both sides that's like aspect I don't care about from my perspective so if someone has that then that it's not a compatibility factor for us and that's

Andrew Wilsonfine with me well arbitrary means without system so it's not arbitrary we have a system in place to know what this is which is how many men a woman's been

Andrew Wilsonwith that's the system so it's not really arbitrary you make a distinction that um it doesn't mean anything or it's not important to you but it's definitely not arbitrary so I just like backing up

Andrew WilsonI'm just curious why do you do you think from the man's perspective if the preference is to hold the double standard which is that we find it to be very important you don't find it to be

Rosie Geneneimportant do you think we're holding a double standard I I think this double standard exists if a man has a high body count and refuses to be with women with a low body or high body it doesn't make it wrong it's it is a double

Rosie Geneneit's a double standard but it's by definition it's what it's it's what they choose to do and I just I'm just not really in the business of telling men what I think they should or shouldn't do

Brian Atlasif I'm not interested in having them as friends or Partners so it's just like I well going around the table once more so uh some of you said body count doesn't

Brian Atlasreally matter uh don't OB to or you do object perhaps to men caring about body count you think it shouldn't matter so much you think shouldn't be such a big

Rosie Genenedeal uh what's your body count I don't have an exact number I have an idea range is fine um probably somewhere

Andrew Wilsonbetween 50 to 60 50 to 60 okay um far zero into the mic zero okay now just

Andrew Wilsonreal quick because after the last panel when you said that a ton of people went nutso in my Discord and said that they had video of you saying the opposite of that and that you basically are just

Andrew WilsonLARPing and just pretending that that's true and I just I'm not saying that they're right because I don't know I'm just saying that that's what if I had to guess what they're responding to is I make skits on Tik Tok kind of like satirical skits about discussions of

Farha Khangender so I have like an offscreen male voice so he'll ask me a question or I'll read a question being like what's your body count and it's all scripted and I'll say something like um eight and then he'll say like that's disgusting and I'll ask him like a question response so they're responding to like

Andrew Wilsonyes SKS okay cuz every time I've talked with you uh it's always been this same so I have no reason to doubt it but I had seen that so I thought I'd ask oh I

Brian Atlasdon't share R range you want to do a range range I don't share

Brian Atlasokay probably like eight probably like

Brian Atlaseight or nine or 10 eight or nine or 10

Brian Atlasno not 10 eight or nine okay all right want I will not be sharing Maddie what okay well you've shared before yeah she

Miss D. Mariehas a boyfriend do multiply by three and that's the real [Laughter] number so

Rosie Genenewaitan that doesn't let me be clear I wouldn't I mean if I'm saying that high have a number if it was higher I would say it was higher say to be clear I don't think that R this situation next time you have

Brian Atlasto say 20 cuz you know they're already going to multiply so actually it's 20

Miss D. Marieokay uh so okay got it cool cool uh good talk wait Brian how many are you at we just skipped you and we skipped all the men at oh yeah okay fine we'll do the

J'Quan (Jaquan)men we'll do the guys yeah what do you mean why would we not do the men I don't know I lost count I've been around a Block H have you said it before on the show I have said it what what is it I

Mason Gregoiresaid it was probably between 50 and 60 wow multiply by that three have the number you guys got something in common I I think the quote in the movie is like divided by three for men oh really yeah

Mason Gregoirecuz men men will lie you should have said 150 bro uh Mason uh

Miss D. Mariezero oh I'm married I can't disclose that kind of information if you're not willing to I'll tell you what I'll go a you no won't be doing that I'm not married I'm not doing that when I lo something down then we can

Andrew Wilsoncome back here I got you f wait what I don't know what that has to do with anything I'll definitely go if you go I'll tell I don't really care that much share with youself mared huh did you

Brian Atlassave yourself for Mar if I show you yours you show me mine H okay all right it's good times I'm curious going around the table uh that wasn't even like a thing when I was younger

Brian Atlaswho here considers themselves did you say your number I missed it I'd rather not speak about that um all right going around the table who here considers themselves a

Miss D. Mariefeminist can we have the definition before you ask that question somebody who hates men not me I'm straight huh I said not me I suppose you could still be stra hate there's a lot

Miss D. Marieof men they are difficult I'm not going to lie but no I don't hate men okay all right I'm being a little fous well we went by your definition uh a

Brian Atlasfeminist somebody who believes things that aren't true I'm sorry I'm not being I definitely am I'm not being very

Brian Atlasgenerous here in my all things true only all right here the most the most generous definition uh somebody who advocates for women and the rights of women that's the most generous

Miss D. Mariedefinition I can give feminism by that definition for sure yeah so far it's been no yes no yes so it depends on what your definition I suppose that's the most generous definition I can give it though well by

Miss D. Mariegoing by that definition do you have a maybe a counter defin for feminism no I don't that's the thing is like when he says that I want to be specific what it is because um because of the debate that

Brian Atlashe's trying to get into so I just want to be okay so my view of feminism is and I don't object to women's advocacy or women's rights

Brian Atlasbut cuz by definition but what I they're trying to paint it as this again there's nothing wrong to fight for women's advocacy or women's rights but they claim to be fighting for equality and

Brian Atlasthat's very different than women's rights or women's advocacy so my view is for example if there is some form of equality that does not stand to benefit

Brian Atlaswomen said feminists will not fight in order to secure said equality where feminists or women do not stand to benefit from some form of equality they will not fight for it I guess by that

Miss D. Mariedefinition I'm not then because so it's not clear so I guess when it comes to feminist feminist saying they're for equality it's not clear to me if they're for equality we have different strengths so I wouldn't believe that we could be equal like we do have different strengths and I think we should should be celebrated for those different

Brian Atlasstrength instead of trying to become each other ex wouldn't it be in the in the way that we've equalized a lot of things in so Society given women equal rights wouldn't it be equal to make

Brian Atlaswomen subject to military conscription that would that would be equality but I'm I heard a feminist object to that yeah no feminist would feminists would say we want to do away with military

Brian Atlasconscription which is just not politically tenable for any it's never going to happen you can't do away with military conscription I'm pretty sure feminists will say that they want to be drafted you're thinking of maybe like

Brian AtlasTrad wives but feminists do notv I most Fe with very traditional feminis what about this in Florida in Florida there was a bill toiz feminists

Farha Khanwould say that no oh don't you think feminists have like fought to want to enter male dominated spaces even if they don't benefit them maybe not like only they don't like for instance

Andrew Wilsonfeminists don't fight to go and have teams against professional male NFL players do they but they no that's a men Space do

Andrew Wilsonfeminists try to and Advocate that they can have teams of women go play football against male NFL players they literally do and then people laugh at them which is somewhat justified in my opinion and

Andrew Wilsonpeople say like they literally don't they literally are not out there advocating for that they're out there advocating for their own teams against women but not really teams against men in contact Brian have you never heard a

Farha Khanfeminist say that there should be desegregation of gender and sports yeah but they're talking to the tea issue not talking to that I no no no I don't I mean in terms of Tia isue have you have you you heard feminist say that like oh

Andrew Wilsonwe as female athletes want to compete with male athletes cuz I feel like that is something that they say and I think that's a more laughable point of feminism it's possible they've said it but I've never heard that that's really I've never even seen what what I've seen

Andrew Wilsonfeminist do is move legislation towards having their own teams having their own leagues having the female version of the you know the WNBA having all of that

Andrew WilsonI've never seen them Advocate to have teams actually go up against the male I've never seen that with the te issue just questioning as that progresses and I don't know how we're going to end up

Andrew Wilsonbut I mean that's going to end up being in question yeah but the feminists are against the te's some of them but some of them are not most of them are most of the feminists are against the teas because of this because they say we

Andrew Wilsonfought all this time to get our own leagues and now you're going to let men in them that's why they're so mad right so yeah I think I think that this is an incorrect analysis honestly I think I'm just too deep in the feminist discourse so like feminists

Andrew Wilsongo after turfs and turfs go after people who say that so I think like I see it well turfs are the feminists the other ones aren't feminists the other ones are postmodernists and they just kind of call themselves feminists but turfs are actual feminists those were the ones who

Farha Khanwere in the 60s who were burning their bras and doing all that that's that's that's why I think it's kind of like counterproductive to even say like oh do feminists do this or this because even within feminist discourse like they all hate each other each other's principles but that doesn't mean that

Andrew Wilsonthere's not certain principles they both go towards so well in this case egalitarianism that would be one of the major ones and the assumption that men and women can be interchangeable widgets

Andrew Wilsonwhether or not they Advocate and move legislation towards something that makes sense like if we actually were interchangeable widgets should women's

Andrew Wilsonteam uh you know go up against men's NFL teams they may not push that way right instead they push towards having their own teams this and that but definitely there's core underlying principles that they're after complely disagree I feel

Farha Khanlike I'm just way too deep in it like I just always hear them butt heads it's like whether we should have a category for like female Jeopardy winners or some feminists think that that's super degrading to women I just I see all the conflict okay so when I'm talking about principles let's make sure we clarify

Andrew Wilsonthis you and I would agree on what egalitarianism is do you think or do would we need to Define it yeah could you what's that yeah could you give your definition of egalitarianism it would be like a form of movement towards

Andrew Wilsonequality right but even that's kind of vague right cuz there's so many different ways people can interpret it yeah but I mean at some point we we're going to have to reduce it to something we can agree on so what what do you think egalitarianism is would that work

Farha Khanfor this or no no it would but like I'm saying like feminism again is also a definition of pushing towards women's rights and equality but then there's so much conflict about how you actually achieve that and what it means get more specific what I'm saying with the

Andrew Wilsonprinciple though like the principle of egalitarianism you're not going to say that modern feminists and turfs and all of them don't believe in the principle of egalitarianism you're not going to say say any of them do like that's one

Farha Khancore for the analysis of the whole that you would say is a principle they have in common I'm not even trying to be Devil's Advocate I'm genuinely disagreeing because I think a lot of turfs will say like we need our own spaces because we're physically weaker

Andrew Wilsonlike we need to be a protected class galarian ISM okay so then equalitarianism just feels really broad right now in discuss there could be an analysis of which way you move for what is equal but they still believe in the

Farha Khanprinciple of the thing okay I just disagree like I said I think a lot of turfs will say that like we are a weaker gender we need to be protective think tur will say I don't believe in

Andrew Wilsonegalitarianism honestly I would yeah really yeah which ones like I just said the on the whole thing that makes tur is they're like we

Andrew Wilsonfought for women's rights and equality and egalitarianism and now the te's are coming in and Wrecking all that by allowing men into women's SP that's their whole thing right and typically they're saying it on the premise that

Farha Khanwomen are the weaker physically gender and so they want to be a protected class they want to have locker rooms to themselves in which you get what I'm saying yeah but they're saying if men can have their own teams we can have our

Farha Khanown teams that's egalitarianism right I'm just saying I've seen so many feminists say that they want to compete with men in sports I've seen so many feminists say we want to be a protected class I've seen some say we don't want a separate category for like female Awards

Farha Khanand intellectualism and the principle would still be overlapping all of those I guess but then the principle seems kind of irrelevant to the conversation because it doesn't actually get at any of the issues that are being discussed then one of the fa my favorite things that you've said all night then is that

Brian Atlasegalitarianism is so broad we don't even know what the it means okay so all right I'm fine with that we have a chat here uh I pulled this up earlier but it was uh directed at you Andrew Andrew I

Brian Atlasrespect your conviction but you can be nicer that's from Lum dis sky from Canada I I feel like um feel like people

Andrew Wilsonoften conflate when you're having a heated argument or discussion or you say say things which are uncomfort that that's meanness do one like this I associate I

Andrew Wilsonassociate yeah I associate I don't care what a woman's analysis on what kindness is or meanness I have a different standard clearly on what those things are I don't think that it's cruelty or

Andrew Wilsonuh being unkind or being mean to say things which are obviously objectively true that people just don't want to hear because it makes it's not objectively true that I shouldn't have children that

Rosie Geneneis not objectively true I didn't say you shouldn't have children you did you were like you have yes your movement she what happened was she said

Miss D. MarieI don't want to have children and I went yes your movement was an indication of your op her but that action alone is what what we're talking about and what's wrong with that action it's not kind why

Andrew Wilsonis it unkind that's what she said because you did it with malice thank you oh see so it's in the tone not what is said that's my point oh oh come on you could at least concede that you did that

Rosie Geneneto be AIT nothing I me he literally said it was an move so concession can we rewind literally roll the tape I'm not saying you shouldn't do it I'm just saying but you did it to be like and a

Andrew Wilsonlittle bit Yeah so the thing is is like was it hilarious yes but was it mean no it wasn't mean was it hilarious mediocre at best OB then why were you laughing I

Brian Atlaswasn't laughing well you should have been I didn't I know but she was okay well there you got one one okay I'm not going to do that so uh any anyone have anything

Brian Atlasdating related they'd like to get off their chest here I'd like to talk about dating for a little portion of the show if you guys don't don't mind oh you're mediating now I love that I'm trying a

Brian Atlaslittle bit I'm trying to best you were clicking a lot are you playing soli are you playing soli no I've four and a half hours I literally hear

Brian Atlasyous show don't worry about it don't worry about it uh all right so uh and does anybody have anything dating related that they would like to get off their chest maybe for the ladies men are

Brian Atlaspissing you off in some way you know they're not buying you your dinner uh you know whatever it may be is there anything anything you guys want to talk about dating related maybe what about the

Brian Atlasorgasm Gap we can talk about orgasm gaps what is that apparently women are not coming as much as men are that's in sexual I have a good dating topic you mean per

Andrew Wilsonsex per person or the group what are you talking about I was I've been wondering about this bringing this topic up if if women think that The Sisterhood is stronger than the Brotherhood when it

Andrew Wilsoncomes to dating so meaning you think women are more unified around um like uh keeping secrets and supporting each other and things like this when it comes

Miss D. Marieto the dating Market than men are abut not well men talk a lot though they talk way more than we think no no not really they create podcasts where they

Madisontalk I feel like woman will ensure each other that everything is okay no matter if it's right or wrong you mean that toxic best friend stuff yeah exactly I would argue that

TTS/Donationswomen talk know a joke though when we do that to each other I would argue that for example oh well we got the chat Bender the offender donated $200 you could talk about how more women

Brian Atlasare cheating than men and now is that true is that statistic is it true is that num don't know I've heard some studies cheat perhaps it's the case I what why don't we go around the table

Brian Atlasand see who cheats cheating more than men though yeah that's kind of I mean I I would say though when it comes to who talks more for example after an a an

Brian Atlasencounter the first time having sex with somebody hold on hold on guys any stud you look up and show down look you know you lying no they can you stop

Brian Atlasinterrupting please okay first time encounter a woman is going to tell her best friend all the details about the encounter they're going to tell them the penis size

Brian Atlasthey're going to share intimate details whereas men most men I would say aren't sharing those details with their friends like for example I would have to be dating a girl for like 3 to 6 months

Brian Atlasbefore I even before any of my friends even know who she is really yeah that's valid for mature adult men though girls girls will be like after

Brian Atlashaving their first uh sexual experience with a new guy will tell their girlfriend or girlfriends everything how big was his dick how long did he last D D D D D all these details I

Brian Atlasrefuse to share with my male friends any sexual details they won't even know if I've slept with a girl I will not disclose because I'm I I don't want to

Brian AtlasI'm very discreet I would not disclose any detail any intimate details to even my closest male friend oh you hung out with Becky yesterday how was it Brian it was good that's it that's all my male

Farha Khanfriend is getting all you guys agree with that what if it was like a famous Instagram model talked about as if it was like a famous IG model who you and your friend have like talked about damn it I don't

Farha Khandate famous IG models but if they were I mean like if some guy who like or some girl since you're famous if like some girl who you am I famous I don't think so I'm hyping you up if some who like you and your boys have like talked about

Andrew Wilsonlike this girl is so hot like I don't talk to my I don't talk to my male friends about oh my God but don't you think a lot of guys would is I was just I was just racking my brain thinking about it as he was saying it

Andrew Wilsonand even when years and years ago if I had you know engaged with a woman and I I was talking to my friend it would just be something as simple as like yeah yeah I

Andrew Wilsonplower that was about it it wasn't really detailed that there wasn't any of that just like what ear was this that you were plowing long time ago long time

Farha Khanago in my experience if I even Dam a guy innocuously like I will hear about it through the great [Laughter]

Andrew WilsonB see how you laughed at my joke I was laughing at your joke all right good answer wait what oh you guys what about

J'Quan (Jaquan)you guys same you guys don't talk about it no my friends just assume I smash every girl they see me with like they don't get into detail you guys don't need to talk about it yeah I don't need

SPEAKER_01to say they just know it's just assumed yeah he definitely hit that it's assumed well generally speaking I'm probably not going to be discussing those things didn't hit that what about when if you

Mason Gregoireif you touch a Boop do you tell your friends if you touch a Boop have you touched a Bo you're a kid I don't uh kiss and tell no wait Mason Mason no

Mason Gregoireokay they feel like sandbags Mason oh my goodness yeah well so no I don't I don't usually I'm not going to give dish out details like I might tell a guy like the

Mason Gregoirevague generalities but uh no it's not going to be like specific huh we're more specific yeah yeah well I might hit on key notes like what's a keynote I don't know she's

Mason GregoirePleasant to be around I'm not going to be very descriptive it's gonna be like okay this is generally how her demeanor is I really like her yeah I like her yeah yeah that's cute I would almost go

Brian Atlasto the point of if I was with a girl and I found out that she had told her uh female friend group intimate details about our first

Andrew Wilsonencounter that actually might be grounds for me dumping her even if she's praising it yeah yes and she was like this was the best sex I've ever had yeah I mean I suppose

Andrew Wilsonthat's I suppose that's now now that I think of it if you were to have a f like talking to your friend about that would kind of be gay right because you're you're basically then you have to

J'Quan (Jaquan)picture your friend having that's what we do that's not what we do that's how I think that's what talk yeah that's what think I don't want to know I don't no a great you just you're just excited for

Brian Atlasyour friend like okay I feel like it's just it's it's disrespectful it's disrespectful to share private intimate details with with your friend group why it's been but but I think it's something

Mason Gregoirethat's super common among women like I would say majority of women this is like the most intimate act you can have with a human being and you're just like airing that out to anybody in like almost indiscreetly the way or

Miss D. Marieindiscriminately that's what I'm trying the way that it biologically works we work out is different though women get um we get a brain like um energy surge from doing things like you like you'll

Miss D. Mariesee monkeys will pick at each other so we get a brain energy surge from having these conversations about those types of things by betraying your partner you call it portraying but we call it it's like a sense of community it's it's biological Yeah by betraying your

Mason Gregoirepartners yes because we don't care about you guys that's what it is I mean that is practically what's happening we just see it differently we're not trying to it doesn't matter how you see it but

Brian Atlasit's so common that women don't even realize how kind of problematic it is to be sharing these intimate details about their Partners I I like that's just it's

Brian Atlasthe status quo like I recognize that it's just it's just viewed as the normal social behavior to be sharing this thing are we talking about Partners or just people that we've like either I would I

Brian Atlaswould I feel like you're partner I the rules are slightly different yeah but if if you're a woman who doesn't wait long periods of time before having sex with a guy who he might end up become I would argue most adult relationships in

Brian Atlastoday's day and age it's not let's wait 10 dates and then have sex it's have sex fairly early on continue seeing each other continue hooking up and then we

Brian Atlasfind we like we both like each other we find ourselves now in a relationship so of course I mean if even if that's the case where it's like well what if it's just a casual hookup that casual hookup could end up becoming your boyfriend

Miss D. Mariethen you've already disclosed to your close female friends his penis size all wide variety of various intimate details but you guys also don't even have names at that point like you're elevator guy so like by the time you're my boyfriend

Miss D. Mariewhat that's even worse I mean not not I'm not talking about hooking up I'm just saying like for instance like I used to have a guy that I crushed at the gym so he was like Jim Bay and then there was like a really cute guy at the grocery so he was like grocery Grocery Store Bay and it wasn't someone I was

Miss D. Marielike interested in but that being said I could be like yeah he was wearing the shirt of like whatever they don't even they don't have like a place yet until they do and then I feel like a relationship's different yeah I mean

Brian Atlaslook I get it I get that it's just something that women do but um you guys feel betrayed by it I do think it's a betrayal of trust I mean it's uh it's interesting like like if I'm meeting if

Brian AtlasI'm meeting imagine if I disclose to my male friends like I told them something about your or something like wouldn't you feel a little uncomfortable

Brian Atlasmeeting my friends like if you knew that I told my male friend oh her was like this and the lips were like this I mean there's a bit of a stench and like you know like you feel like betrayed to

Miss D. Mariesome degree how would I know that you told them I mean what if you found out though that's the point here's the thing if he said something bad then we probably shouldn't be together and if he said something good I will feel

Andrew Wilsonflattered oh okay I mean I guess I don't know what if he what if he showed the nudes what if he no absolutely notal but if he's describing he's describing it and giving them the visual

Mason Gregoireokay so actually so this is interesting so men are extremely visual creatures so but women are extremely like emotionally descriptive creatures so like male

Mason Gregoirepornography is very visual female pornography is descriptive so it's like if you read pornographic novels that's like the equivalent so you're the equivalent Indulgence in what you're

Miss D. Mariesaying as you're describing these things that is the equivalent to sharing a nude for men what you're saying I what you're saying I think that good point in my relationship I would just respect

Miss D. Mariemy boyfriend like whatever relationship I would respect so if he felt like that for sure maybe I screwed up and he was elevator guy at first and like he might have got a descript before then but once he becomes my man I'm I'm hoping that I'm going to respect what he wants and

Miss D. Mariewe' had that conversation and and hearing this all from you guys is actually the first time I've ever thought about it because we do use that as bonding and we don't necessarily I know when I'm hearing or talking about it I don't it's not really even about that person it's about my experience

Mason Gregoirewith it how did you feel with it how did it make you feel what was was your situation with this and that's kind of what we kind of bond over I guess yeah yeah I mean it's it's nice to hear like where like your thought process as

Mason Gregoireyou're having those discussions but kind of going back to the point of I want to find a woman uh so as Andrew was talking about I want to find a woman who's going to put my needs above her own I want her

Mason Gregoireto think about how is this going to make me look in front of her friends so yeah and I I really appreciate that you're acknowledging like this is not something I thought about yeah maybe it's going to be something that you'll consider down

Miss D. Mariethe road yeah absolutely I also don't like talking about my my relationship with going to change is anything going to change I mean I think that people change people I grow I grow and change maybe it's something that you regret

Brian Atlasyou've done in the past I I don't I don't think that I've done that us men can say we don't like it when the the women that we've hooked up with or even our potential future girlfriends disclose to their female friend group

Brian Atlasvarious intimate details that in our in our view or in my view ought to remain private between us because they are just that intimate details uh I think it's probably the case that even if we were

Brian Atlasto articulate this that women are still going they you guys enjoy this kind of you guys enjoy sharing these details it's the tea it's the gossip you guys

Miss D. Marielike talking about really yeah like that's a little bit I mean so what he's saying yes like maybe if it's my boyfriend I will do it out of respect but like for instance I recently had

Miss D. Marielike an rendevu with someone who I think is interested in me and the place that we Rond vued was a very unique place and so like I did I told my roommate like

Miss D. Marieand I told him that I told my roommate and he was like oh you're telling the girls and it wasn't girls it was just my roommate cuz like we're both single and sometimes we like we'll talk about our dates and so yeah I mean I did but I told him as well and and now that I'm thinking about it he's might have had

Miss D. Marielike he might be having a thought like well if you do something I don't know if he's even thinking that far ahead cuz we're not like that yet but but it's just interesting cuz I'm like I'm now I'm thinking like he's right and and to

Brian Atlasjust to add sort of to Mason's Point here um if a girl sent me like a sexy photo or nude photo I would never share that with anybody my eyes only my eyes

Brian Atlasonly so unsolicited get shared with everybody just that's well okay I get I get if there's like a get shared with every I think that's a bit different though are you talking like a guy who you like who's sending a dick Pi I don't believe I don't think men should do that

Brian Atlasby the way I don't do that I've never sent a nude photo or a dickpick or anything I I granted I would not object to receiving to receiving picks I'm just saying

Brian Atlasladies if you want to send me a this the last episode too I'm for it requesting I'm for it BLM big laia matter would you like to join my

Brian Atlasorganization I I wouldn't actually fit into your um oh crew because I don't solidarity hello yeah I just I wouldn't I yep is it because you don't yes I see

Brian Atlasyes sorry I didn't I don't want that was too I want to take it away no but you can still be uh like solidarity I want you to be happy so whatever that means I'm down for that you know any but no

Miss D. MarieI'm kidding um okay good talk I don't rip do you guys talk about that do do girls like share like we don't really talk about that but I can tell you the first time I saw one I was like what the the and then she was like yeah

Miss D. Marieand I was like wow I didn't know they came in different shapes and sizes like that word you guys is this something you talk about Maddie like with your girlfriend ever you guys just go into the is that

Madisonwhat you guys do when you go into the bathroom together no yeah about it good talk any you guys talk about penises no no not really that's what I'm

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