Gorlock The Destroyer! RAGEQUIT KEEKO vs. CHASE! Round 2! FIGHT! | Dating Talk #69
Date: 2023-04-26
Duration: 5h 36m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Chase (clip audio)(guest)
SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_04Samuel(guest)
SPEAKER_05Ali(guest)
SPEAKER_06Ally (Gorlock)(guest)
SPEAKER_07Deborah(guest)
SPEAKER_08Kiko (clip audio)(guest)
SPEAKER_09Kiko(guest)
SPEAKER_10Billy Ray(guest)
SPEAKER_11Madison(guest)
SPEAKER_12Chase(guest)
Key Moments
01:17:20
IntroAlly introduces herself as 'certified bad bitch' full-time as her occupation.
“I'm Ally better known for alzy I'm 23 years old from Arizona and I'm your certified bad bitch”
01:49:59
QuoteChase outlines his wife requirements: unvaccinated, conservative, traditionally feminine, Christian, willing to submit, ideally virgin.
“She's got to love the Lord um she's got to be unvaccinated she has to be politically conservative... traditionally feminine”
03:17:24
QuoteKiko is the only panelist willing to openly state her body count (12: 7 men, 5 women). Other guests decline.
“I have no no shame of sleeping with seven men and five different women in my 23 years of life”
04:22:00
OtherKiko threatens to leave by midnight (boyfriend upset if not home). Brian jokes about needing to get her to walk off again.
“I'm about to walk out my boyfriend's very upset if I'm not home by midnight”
04:28:00
ControversyReplay of the original viral clip from a prior episode: Chase says sleeping with a trans woman is homosexual; Kiko reacts and exits. Clip got 30M+ views on Twitter/Instagram/YouTube/Worldstar.
“Chase how dare you be transphobic Yes actually... Shut the fuck up cuz I have an opinion that differs from yours”
04:29:30
Key MomentPost-clip reunion: Brian asks Kiko and Chase to respond to each other. Kiko clarifies she left because she was an hour late for work, not purely emotional. Objects to Chase stating biological opinion as fact on a large platform.
“I wish I wouldn't have had to leave I had to leave cuz I had made multiple comments beforehand I was super late for work”
04:36:30
ControversyChase and Kiko debate whether sleeping with a trans woman is gay. Chase maintains it is a biological fact. Kiko disagrees. Ally (now revealed as trans) weighs in.
“I stated biological facts and you have a problem with me stating biological facts... for a man to have sex with a transwoman he would be having sex with a biological male which is homosexual”
04:48:00
QuoteAlly explains she recognizes 'chasers' (men who fetishize trans women for their genitals) as being gay, agreeing in part with Chase's framing in that specific case.
“there's categories to this shit... if a guy literally was just harassing me because he knew I had a penis sorry bro you're fucking gay”
04:50:00
QuoteKiko emotional statement about impact of Chase's comments on large platform and the high trans suicide rate.
“the suicide rate in the trans community is already so high and this podcast has so many views and you guys get up on here and just shit on them”
05:20:30
QuoteAlly closing statement about representing her trans community respectfully and being more than just her trans identity.
“honestly I was extremely worried on walking into a podcast like this... I'm glad that we're still able to bring these topics to the table”
05:23:20
AgreementChase and Brian apologize for laughing during Ally's serious points. Chase salutes Ally for bravery in coming on the show.
“I want to salute you for having the bravery to come on this podcast... I want to apologize because it was disrespectful”
05:29:50
ControversyAlly reveals she is a trans woman mid-discussion about plastic surgery in the trans community.
“I'm a plus-sized transwoman living in Arizona... wait you're trans yes I'm trans”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Guest introductions and relationship statuses
Brian introduces the panel. Each guest states name, age, occupation, relationship status, and longest relationship. Talking stage vs. exclusivity vs. official dating debated.
00:20:00
Submission and feminine/masculine relationship dynamics
Discussion of female submission, masculine leadership in relationships, and the 'talking stage' as a modern phenomenon. Kiko, Deborah, Billy Ray, and Ali discuss.
00:48:00
Physical turn-ons and turn-offs
Panel goes around stating physical turn-ons (fitness, masculine energy) and turn-offs (tattoos, excessive makeup, plastic surgery). Debate over fake boobs/BBLs, sternum tattoos, snake tattoos.
01:17:00
Plastic surgery and body positivity
Fat acceptance movement, plus-sized confidence, plastic surgery motivations (self vs. male validation vs. female competition). Ally discloses trans identity mid-discussion.
01:43:20
Self-ratings (physical attractiveness 1-10)
Panel rates themselves physically. Debate over how the 1-10 scale works. Ally: 10; Deborah: 8.8; Madison: 7; Billy Ray: 6.7; Sam: 5-6/10 (face ~7). Chase: not rated.
02:12:00
Leonardo DiCaprio age gap debate
Discussion of Leo DiCaprio exclusively dating women 18-25. Kiko critical of men over 40 dating women under 21 as a pattern. Chase and Sam offer counterarguments about male biological drives.
02:30:00
Women's dating advantages vs. men's struggles
Debate over whether women have 'easy mode' in dating. Billy Ray shares messages from 100K+ male followers unable to get dates; attributes to feminism eroding male confidence. Chase argues men must build their value.
03:15:00
Body count discussion and first-date disclosure
Panel body counts shared (Kiko: 12, Sam: 20-25, Chase: 7, Ally: private). Debate over whether asking body count on first date is appropriate. Billy Ray and Deborah decline to share publicly.
03:47:00
Marriage, divorce rates, and Christian vows
Chase and Brian debate the value of marriage given ~50% divorce rates. Chase argues public vows create honor/accountability. Brian skeptical of societal stigma against divorce remaining.
04:26:00
Viral clip replay: Kiko vs. Chase Round 1
Brian plays the viral clip from a prior episode where Chase said sleeping with a trans woman is gay and Kiko walked off. Panel reacts. Kiko clarifies she left for work (late), not purely emotional.
04:30:00
Trans rights, identity, and sexuality debate
Extended debate on whether sleeping with a trans woman is homosexual, trans identity as biological vs. chosen, gender-affirming care for minors, and trans representation. Ally (now known as trans) participates directly. Chase and Sam argue biological facts; Kiko and Ally argue against reducing trans people to biology.
04:51:00
Transgender ideology in schools and children
Debate over age-appropriateness of trans education in schools, puberty blockers (reversibility disputed), parental consent, and government overreach. Deborah argues parents must retain authority; Kiko argues teachers shouldn't be shamed for supportive responses.
Transcript
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04:48:31
Ally (Gorlock)I don't know if they're right or not and if she would have been like at least there I'm not saying she's not encouraging me but she's like you know what she's not what's the word she's not discrediting me either she's not shaming
04:48:43
Deborahme she's not doing anything else there's a big difference between the two but I don't think it's a teachers place and hopefully we can all agree with this sex and body images and identification should not be the teachers place that's
04:48:55
Deborahbetween parents and I think there's a big problem with the way that it's targeted our children in schools and the way that the government has become the parents for society so I think there two very unique issues and I think after 21
04:49:07
Deborahor 18 whatever if you can go buy a handle of tequila you can technically legally do what you want to your body but should you is a very different so under 18 you need parents consent to do any of this unless you're illegally consenting it I looked up all day the
04:49:20
Billy Raylast two days since I knew it was coming back I looked up this all day in they're trying to change those laws there's also situations where the parents can be divorced and they only need one parent to I think I would say that's wrong I would
04:49:33
Kikosay that's innately wrong I would think you need a parents consent but they're not this D I think his name was D santis or whatever from Florida is making it seem like govern florid yeah sure he's making it seem like everyone just going out
04:49:45
Kikohere and just getting all these mutilations and gender reconfirming surgeries the only that's not happening the numbers are very very low the only one that is becoming kind of prevalent is double masectomy because it's really
04:49:57
Kikohard for them to stop that because it's a actual medical procedure so it's hard for them to block that from happening but in order no kids aren't just getting gender reforming surgeries and I don't
04:50:09
KikoI'm not I'm not pushing for that to be but that's not a problem we have right now them of course but there is a large group of people who are pushing this like the pride parade uh Rhonda sand
04:50:20
Deborahjust canceled he said you will be charged it will be illegal to sexualize children do you have a pride parade there's no nudity none of this they canceled the pride parade because they said we will not be able to do what we want to do which is sexualize children so I think it goes hand inand because
04:50:33
Deborahpeople know that the children are the future of this country and if you want to shove ideology down our throats you do it with the children and you take away the parental rights in school and parental decisions at the end of the day the kids are the most important part of
04:50:45
Deborahsociety and I hope at the very least we can all agree that when you're an adult and you have your own decisions on your own body you can do what you want and what you truly believe in but why should a parent even be able to consent to their to their 12-year-old getting
04:50:56
Kikohormone change or getting on puberty blockers if an adult my mom could not consent to me drinking you can't start until you're 14 you can't start home ownes until you're 14 okay that's how it is you can do puberty blockers before that point because puberty blockers are
04:51:10
Kikoreversible is the minute you stop puberty blockers you will go through your natural biological puberty you might the only side effects we know right now is it might affect maybe your cholesterol or your bone density but you will go through all your puberties once
04:51:22
Brian Atlasyou start stop puberty blockers but why would you start really quick I don't think I I just want to check you a little bit on this I don't think puberty blockers are reversible they are 100%
04:51:33
KikoI but I'm Tak I've heard I've heard many times that they're not I've looked this up all please do not discredit me cuz spent as soon as I knew I was coming on you invited me back on I spent a lot of time researching this they are
04:51:45
Kikoreversible they hormones no hormones are not reversible you will see the changes go away if you stop taking them but puberty blockers are 100% re through puberty at 14 vers 17 or 20 is a very
04:51:56
Kikobig difference though I don't know puberty it just delays delay act biological function pu that's what a puberty blocker is toxic po everyone everyone everyone please please what
04:52:08
Chaseit's called Kiko please there is a a larger overarching Point here okay which is that 10 years ago if you spoke to somebody and you said hey yeah 10 years from now like a bunch of kids are going to want to become trans they would have been like yeah you're out of your mind
04:52:21
Chasethat's not happening and look where we are now kids there see millions of views on Tik toks from these trans people that are telling kids things that are giving them gender dysphoria teachers in schools have rainbow flags up on their
04:52:34
Chasewalls and they're tell it's it's not just kids a rainbow flag make a kid be trans please just listen okay please just listen there's a difference between what what you were saying a moment ago which is like you know if you had gone to a counselor and you had gender dysphoria
04:52:47
Chaseand them hearing you and just like being like hey like I hear that you feel that way there's a difference between that and a kid going to a teacher and being like hey you know I I have this confusion about my gender and the teacher being like yeah well you can be
04:52:59
Chasea girl if you want to because that's what's happening right now and to what Deborah was saying a few moments ago th this is a tide that is quickly rising in our society and 10 15 20 years from now
04:53:11
Chasewho knows how much access kids will have to these surgeries who knows how many millions of kids are going to be mutilating their bodies because of this ideology it is just continuing to grow and grow and grow and grow and it's not
04:53:24
Chasestopping a couple of years ago the World Health Organization released guidelines for European Educators instructing them to teach kids between the ages of 2 and 8 years old about masturbation and
04:53:35
Chasegender fluidity there there's an intentional agenda to push this trans ideology on Humanity right now and you say right now it's not as big of a problem as people make it out to be that these surgeries are super rare what
04:53:47
Chaseabout 20 years from now where is all of this going I'm not saying there should be regulations how how much how big of a catastrophe is this going to be for our entire civilization I know you think it's hateful I know you think it's
04:53:59
Chasehateful for me to like speak against this and be intolerant and all this kind of stuff the reason I'm doing it is because there are serious human casualties as a result of this and I I speak up I speak up against all this out of love who's died
04:54:12
Deborahall of the people that have gotten transgender surgeries and then regretted it and killed themselves after all people who have been prevented from getting the help they need transgenders have the same suicide rate as Jews in Nazi Germany and concentration camps you can't tell me transgenders in America
04:54:25
Deborahare treated worse in Nazi than Jews in Nazi Germany and the suicide rate is the same before and after gender transition surgery exact and but listen I have a different take on I don't say this stuff because I want to be offensive or
04:54:37
Deborahhateful or get clicks or views I think that this is a very sensitive issue and just like abortion it needs to be spoken with the highest level of respect and sensitivity because I feel for these people I can't like you said I can't imagine what it's like to be at war with
04:54:50
Deborahmy own body and to not feel comfortable with my own body I've dealt with insecurities I couldn't imagine it being deeper than that I truly feel for these people and I want them to receive the care that they need on an individual basis but when it comes to children we
04:55:02
Deborahneed to protect children from this ideology and I think those are two very different issues that get conflated together like oh if a 35-year-old wants to do whatever they want that's up to them but speaking on children nobody under 18 should be mutilating their body
04:55:15
Deboraheven if their parent consents cuz they're children I think your brain's not developed till you're 25 I know that's what I'm saying that I think a lot of the argument comes from people talking about different things like we're talking about kids a lot and I
04:55:27
Brian Atlasthink we need I know you never said that they should but there's a lot of people who want that forkid okay that's what we're talking about here you wanted to go go ahead so where my St into the mic into the mic where my stance comes into
04:55:39
Ally (Gorlock)this with children thing is that we never once brought up kids we brought up the fact about a man saying if whe he's gay or not I agree with you let's try to stick it stick to that that's the whole point of me sticking to that however
04:55:52
Ally (Gorlock)when it does comes to kids because it was already brought up whatever do I think do I agree that like Transit needs to be like in everybody's face absolutely not however I'm also not
04:56:04
Ally (Gorlock)saying that if a kid comes and asks for help because they're feeling certain ways I feel like those re resources shouldn't be shunned I feel like they should be available like therapy mean
04:56:16
Ally (Gorlock)those resources like for example psychological help abut exactly so because well let's let's be honest a couple years ago Transit wasn't about wasn't wasn't so it
04:56:28
Ally (Gorlock)wasn't so accessible as word I don't know the word gender affirming care was it wasn't so it wasn't so easy to grasp on to in other words it wasn't easy for me to get my hormones it wasn't easy for me anything I had to go to therapy for months just to prove that I wasn't crazy
04:56:40
Ally (Gorlock)but now it has you recognize that now it's become so easy yeah so I recognize that the now especially now because it even not even just kids but like for example gay men they see they see the
04:56:52
Ally (Gorlock)dolls they get we get all the trade we have we have all the blue check marks we got bodies on bodies on bodies certified baddies 247 exactly and some gay guys will literally transition just to pull
04:57:04
Ally (Gorlock)straight men yeah the literally don't you think that that's like a point proving your said that that's but that's something that's that's my point like that I feel like when people do the hormone
04:57:15
Ally (Gorlock)replacement therapy it needs to be taken seriously it shouldn't be so easy to like so easy easily to grasp on to I have a question for that and I don't think you guys when it comes to the gay men too
04:57:28
Ally (Gorlock)it's like you guys do these things and you guys want you guys all get all these straight boys and oh I have all the straight men whatever then what happens after those are the transitioners those are the people who regret getting the gender firing surgery and asking titties
04:57:40
Brian Atlasand growing out there it's not just gay guys yeah they do it for the wrong reasons do it because you generally feel like this and not because you're trying to get attention from the opposite sex okay so question for Kiko uh the kind of
04:57:51
Brian Atlasthe original thing was trying to direct it back here is Chase said that he his view is that it would be homosexual it
04:58:02
Brian Atlaswould be gay for a biological man a biological male to sleep with another biological male do you agree agree or
04:58:10
Kikodisagree with that I do not find it gay if a biological male chooses to sleep with a trans woman no no no no hold just just a point of clarification that's my answer Brian that's my answer Brian
04:58:23
Brian Atlasthat's my answer let me revise my question a little further is it homosexual or is it gay again I'm not saying it's wrong but is it gay or
04:58:32
Brian Atlashomosexual for a biological male to sleep or have sex is it gay for a biologic male to have sex with another biological
04:58:44
Kikomale I feel like you need to answer this because I don't know I feel like you're B I already answered the question if if they are a trans woman in touch with their femininity they are I don't [ __ ] can't even say the
04:58:56
Kikoword projecting themselves the female feminine women in society and that's what they're attracted to no Brian you can ask me the question as many ways as you [ __ ] want you've asked me this three times
04:59:06
Kikoover that's not hor let's be real it's like it's only dick yes mean if you want a lady boy who's known as a lady boy it's only gay if they after their dick like let's be real like if a guy literally was just [ __ ] harassing me
04:59:18
Ally (Gorlock)because he knew had a penis sorry bro you're [ __ ] gay like go get go get a guy out there I'm I genuinely want to deal with a man who can look past the fact that they like you know what you're
04:59:30
Ally (Gorlock)trans but that's not who you are as your person like I view you as feminine like I view you as a woman I can look past the fact of that but if that man is solely seeking me out just because I
04:59:42
Deborahhave a penis no that's gay but can't you be a feminine Man Without transitioning to I mean I don't believe in transitioning ask you something Qui that's a gay man not a transition no I know people that aren't guys that aren't necessarily gay that I mean I know guys
04:59:54
Deborahthat are gay and very masculine and I know guys that are straight and very feminine I like Jeffree Star is a great example I've always thought that stuff's based if you like makeup you like hair I love that stuff I could totally understand people doing that but he
05:00:06
Deborahknows that he is not a woman no matter what that's actually partakes in makeup and hair but knows that he's not that's good that you brought it up because honestly
05:00:17
Ally (Gorlock)like I'm still even learning about about all the genders or whatever like honestly because back in my day like I grew up on trans YouTube with where it's like you're either straight
05:00:28
Ally (Gorlock)gay or trans yeah g gorgeous yeah and Gigi gorgeous and and I Nikita came around I want you to consider something all right because you're a transom meaning that you were a man and you transitioned to a woman corre
05:00:40
Samuelyes I think that there's something more Insidious going on that Billy could probably speak to much more knowledgeably than I can which is the testosterone epidemic in our country
05:00:50
Samuelwhich I think is a factor in men that want to that think that they're women I think that because of the environmental factors because of the food they're eating because of the chemicals that are
05:01:02
Samuelsprayed on the crops and and in the environment as well as many other factors that like I said Billy is much more knowledgeable on than I am are a factor in very low testosterone in men
05:01:13
Samuelas a man when I felt low in testosterone I feel terrible I feel like a [ __ ] I feel like I can't want to be a woman no okay so point but it but it could but it
05:01:25
Samuelcould be contributing to it and my point my point is that if you were to what if you were feeling like you know what if you're a man and you're feeling like you're a woman what if instead of getting hormones to affirm what you
05:01:36
Samuelthought in your head was true instead you got hormones to affirm what your gender was at Birth what if you got testosterone and you felt more like a man do you think that that would make make a change in your life versus if you
05:01:47
Samuelwere at a low point in testosterone as a man versus versus getting hormones as a woman to become a woman into the mic absolutely not and I'm going to say this
05:01:58
Ally (Gorlock)now I'm so much more happier with myself since my transition and comfortable in my skin and and and
05:02:08
Ally (Gorlock)everything because I for myself I'm I'm happy for you and I'm very and I've never felt more at peace and at one with myself now ask me that before I was 19
05:02:21
Ally (Gorlock)years old when I started transitioning I was depressed uh I was unhappy with myself and and that's my point everything like that and I tried to be uh I even tried dating girls in the
05:02:33
Ally (Gorlock)middle school I remember but like I tried just to be a gay man well it's different I tried to do all of that sexuality is different than gender yeah well I know but my point is that I tried to live like a man at one point it's not like I just full on you tried to but
05:02:46
Ally (Gorlock)what I'm saying is that your testosterone levels were so low that you couldn't feel like how you testosterone levels were you have no idea what her what I'm saying is that I tried to
05:02:57
Billy Raylive like a gay man and as a man what is true about testosterone is that the saying your father was more man than you holds true testosterone levels have decreased but it doesn't necessarily mean that your testosterone levels were
05:03:09
Ally (Gorlock)low so we don't that that doesn't always correlate okay but in other words no I would have not been happy as a man I I genuinely don't know if I would be here
05:03:20
Ally (Gorlock)yeah and I'm glad you're here yeah thank you guys but like I said a lot for a lot of people thinking like do think it's a choice for us to do this kind of stuff it yeah technically it is one but it's
05:03:32
Ally (Gorlock)something that comes so naturally to us that we don't feel like it's a choice you know like this is something that came so natural to me like look ask any one of my babysitters look back at my home footage like I was
05:03:44
Ally (Gorlock)[ __ ] stealing my [ __ ] ants she be a bartender to strip club I'd walk around on her stripper heels because I used to love the the feminine the femininity of it like that's all it is
05:03:55
Ally (Gorlock)like it's something that came so natural to me and it did not feel forced what fell forced was having being 17 getting my senior portraits taken and having to
05:04:05
Ally (Gorlock)cut all my hair off because I wanted to please my family that that felt forced what felt forced was not being able to go by the name that I wanted to be in my high school yearbook what felt forced
05:04:17
Ally (Gorlock)was having to stand up in front of a Christian church and let my dad try to hook me up with some other little Christian girl there yeah because that felt forced that stuff that feels forced
05:04:28
SamuelI'm I'm glad that you feel comfortable now and that you are here with us because ultimately that's the most important thing life is sacred and you're loved but to get back to the point we were talking about earlier I don't think
05:04:41
Samuelthat children I don't think that it's it's right for children and you and you agree with that he's want to go back to the children that was never the point of the conversation so we can we get away final
05:04:53
Chasepoint and then we're going to and I have a final point before Oh you want it's like a wrap up final point before we go okay and then we're going to wrap part of the reason I care about this is not I don't want to be like hateful towards
05:05:05
Chasepeople or like I don't want to make anybody feel badly about themselves okay and Kiko this point is addressed to you part of the reason part of the reason why I care about this is because you said that you've come back
05:05:17
Chaseto the church and one of the things that we can obviously agree on is the value of Jesus right yeah why did Jesus give his life on the cross for our sins for our sins and
05:05:30
Chasethere's a lot of different sins that preclude us from entering the kingdom of heaven right ultimately this whole this ideology that's spreading through out our society one of the one of the
05:05:41
Chasereasons why I have a problem with it is because many people they they they ground their entire identity in whatever their sexuality or gender is okay and and that identity they see that as
05:05:53
Chaseincompatible with the Bible in Christ and they a lot of them will go their entire lives without ever even looking at God because they're like well God made me this way so God obviously must have made a mistake so screw
05:06:03
ChaseChristianity right one of the things that Jesus said people who will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven are the sexually immoral and and those that are AFF feminite as well there's a lot of different categories idolators
05:06:15
Chaseadulterers like there's a billion different categories sexual immorality according to Christ and his Apostles and God throughout the Old Testament this covers everything that is outside of
05:06:26
Chaseheterosexual sex between a man and a woman within marriage any sex that happens outside of that precludes a person from going to the kingdom of heaven so you're not going to heaven
05:06:38
Chasewell my my sins been paid for by the blood of Christ and I've I've repented of this I've hold on hold on can she not do the same I've repented of the sins that that I had okay the people who are
05:06:50
Chasecontinuing to engage in in sexual immorality who reject the grace that God gave us like they're not going to heaven and I I I want to see you get to heaven like I don't I don't hate you as a person I love you as a person I want to see you get to heaven I want to see every everybody who's trans and gay I
05:07:03
Chasewant to see all of them I want to see all of them go to heaven right but there's there's a contradiction here between what you're saying is okay and what God Said is okay and this is why it's important to me and this ideology will lead millions of people to hell and
05:07:15
KikoI don't want to see that happen Okay you finished all right so my wrap-up statement was basically I will continue to do this come up on this podcast any podcast I have sorry hold on Kiko you've
05:07:25
TTS/Donationsdonated $200. 31 mutilation shouldn't be given to neither mentally ill individuals nor children as a means to obtain acceptance
05:07:35
TTS/Donationsthe sick should seek cure the innocent should seek guidance permanent decisions shouldn't be made for all by vulnerable individuals we already spend enough time thank you for that it wrap it up I will
05:07:47
Kikocontinue to come on this podcast I don't care how many people want to call me the te- slur say all the debates of how if I'm transgender or not you guys can do all of that I will continue to fight for people like Ally who I believe have a
05:08:00
Kikoright to live the life that they rightfully deserve and feel like they were born into cuz you know what it doesn't [ __ ] affect me I don't sleep bad at night cuz Ally is on hormone or any other transom or trans man out there
05:08:12
KikoI know how to mind my [ __ ] business and live my life so I will continue to use my platform and my voice to speak for people who can't because me my Jesus I believe in acceptance tolerance I know
05:08:24
Kikothat she you cre Jesus is not tolerant let me finish just how you repented your sins she can go and repent hers too and get into the Gates of Heaven as well so we should all just live our lives mind our business as long as we're not
05:08:35
Chasehurting somebody else or any anyone else's happing that she would need to in order to get into heaven no I'm seeing in your mind in your opinion in your right op I'm just telling you what the Bible says okay according to the Bible
05:08:47
Deborahshe would she can repent and still go to heaven I hope I think we're past this like it's not just necessarily yes but I also just want to add that I don't think it's necessarily just living your life undisturbed like that's a very libertarian take if you want to dress
05:08:59
Deborahand act how you want and live your best life good a happy a miserable individual does not make for a happy Society but there are places where is affecting people like what you agreed was wrong that if men are on these dating apps and
05:09:10
Deborahthey match with somebody who does not openly admit that they're trans before going on a date that is hurting men and with women I am not okay with transgenders using the women's bathroom that is wrong that is wrong it's women
05:09:23
DeborahSP whole top because that is something that affects me women in sports women women oh we're trying to go home right now I'm trying to go home too we have a 2our drive to LA but this stuff matters it's not that trans doesn't hurt anybody
05:09:35
Deborahit's hurting women like Riley Gaines it's giving rewards to people like Leah Thomas who stole from women it's hurting all these people who are getting into I won't go on that I'm not going to pull
05:09:46
DeborahMichael it does affect us and it's not just live your best life it's live your life and use your own bathroom and let women have women's spaces and let trans individuals live their life I just want to say say you're saying you're going to continue fighting for it and she's
05:09:59
Deborahraising going to say stay out in my bathroom and stay out in my women's spaces but live your best life because there's an important distinction between live your life in a way that doesn't affect people and then there's ways that affect people women no longer can get opportunities in sports because men are
05:10:12
Deborahdominating women's sports and using the locker rooms and using the gym all these things are just walk out just walk out take away from from women just walk out she's making important podcast not yours
05:10:23
Kikoshe's making important points podcast walk out cuz he invited me to co-host he invited me to coost a co co co let her make her point and if you don't want to hear it then just walk out you don't have to stay nobody's keeping you
05:10:36
Deborahagainst your will don't have to stay I don't want to things you don't like you're just going to talk over because you can't just go home we're doing wrapup statements 12:30 yes that was my wrapup statement if you
05:10:48
Deborahwant to live a life that doesn't affect people in your sense you want to wear a dress in your daytime that is fine with me like I'm not going to say do that but like that is not hurting people but there is a lot of the trans ideology
05:11:00
Deborahthat is taking away from women that is hurting women like women's spaces women's Sports women's locker rooms women dressing rooms it is actually affecting women Riley Gaines was just up literally giving a a speech about
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Deborahthis so there it's not just do whatever you want people are being affected and raising up these trans rights is taking away from women's rights and I will not stand for that but I also stand for Liberty and freedom and there is a
05:11:24
Deborahbalance and it's a very thin line and we don't just go oh do whatever you want cross the line we need to protect women and also allow people to live Liberty and enjoy their freedoms protect kids
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Ally (Gorlock)too protect kids do we all get a wrap-up statement so honestly like I I respect your opinion because I'm going to try to 110% completely agree there are a lot of
05:11:46
Ally (Gorlock)things that trans women don't go through that sis women would I completely 100% 110% understand but with that being said wouldn't you rather accept women trans
05:11:59
Ally (Gorlock)women into your circle to be like you know what yeah like we fight for the exact same things we fight for everything like a lot of the time 90% of the time you know with the exception of sports and everything cuz I'm not too
05:12:10
Ally (Gorlock)educated on that trans women just want to blend but I don't want to be Blended sorry sorry we just want to blend and be with you guys you know and Le for me speaking for myself straight straight
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Ally (Gorlock)into the mic please I just want to be able to be normal like that's all I want to do like I want to go into the restroom be able to use the restroom and whatever you know like I just want and I like I said I completely respect the
05:12:35
Ally (Gorlock)fact that I'm never going to be I'm never going to understand a lot of the things that s women go through when it comes to you know things that they go through their bodies or certain discrimination issues everything like that I'm not going to understand that the same way that you would understand
05:12:47
Ally (Gorlock)you know like my dysphoria with everything like that you know but at the end of the day wouldn't you want to have someone in your corner who is you know being like yes like we stand for the
05:12:57
Deborahsame not maybe not everything the same but similar things so I hear you on that and just off the cusp I want to say that I do have deep respect for you you've come here and you've presented your points and you've held your logic and a way that I agree with a lot of the
05:13:10
Deborahthings that you say and I don't think you have your heads in the clouds I think you I think your logic is good and solid and so I have respect for that but in terms of like wanting to blend I understand that on your side but women
05:13:22
Deborahfought very hard to have women's rights and Women's Safe places and I don't think someone's willing wanting to blend supersedes my wanting to be away from a man in the restroom because in my eyes I can respect you I can tell you my
05:13:34
Deborahfavorite makeup products I can show you my favorite places to shop but at the end of the day I don't want someone who was ever a man using the space that I feel unsafe in in the same way that I would not feel comfortable getting undressed around a lesbian in the same
05:13:46
Deborahway that a trans man in that sense so women's spaces should be protected at large and I think yeah I just don't think so you want her to use the men's restroom I want I think there should be a third restroom but until that happens you think right now she should use the
05:13:59
Ally (Gorlock)men's restroom absolutely one of the problems no let me ask something before you answer that question wouldn't you think that it would jeopardize my safety walking in but would it jeopardize my safety of men identifying as women come
05:14:12
Deborahinto the bathroom and rape women under the guise of transgenders people who are not true transgenders there's people who manipulate and they take what you've gone through and struggled through through your life and they take that to their advantage and they say oh I'm going to put a dress on and go on the bathroom and pretend I'm trans and they
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Deborahhaven't actually struggled with gender dysphoria and gone through the problems and they're taking advantage of the situation and that's the women that I'm trying to protect there was a 14-year-old who was raped in a bathroom at her high school and her dad went by
05:14:37
Chaselet's use sa sorry I'm so sorry about that I forgot that was no but but but but to to to even further bolster her Point too like I've seen a number of Articles where like men will get
05:14:48
Chaseconvicted of crimes and then they will identify as women right before they go to trial and then they will get sent to women's prisons and they will grape the women that are there at the prison and
05:14:59
Chaseimpregnate them and and and impregnate them multiple women right like this I understand I understand that like you want to blend and you want to like be around women and all that kind of stuff but like wait you're you're leaving Kiko
05:15:11
KikoI'm not rage quitting it's just it's 12:30 you can ad I'm hungry no I'm not upset at all it's just this is why I saying it's got a wrapup statement cuz we're going about to get unload a whole new conversation we're about to be here
05:15:22
Brian Atlas1. really two things two things really quick before you leave two things okay like my boyfriend is like I was supposed to be home by 12 do you want to watch a tap clip before you leave not
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Kikoreally okay here let me let me try to line the mood Chase says Christian uh the mood's fine I'm not leaving cuz I'm mad it's 12 it's 12:30 a.m. I was not planning to be here for this long should
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Brian Atlaswe should we talk about abortion do you want to talk about abortion really quick just throwing it out Kiko bye Kiko nice speaking with you tonight shut the [ __ ]
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Kikoup I was being serious I'm I'm not cuz you I really I really thought I could get past it but well I just drive drive safe what sorry I don't want to leave
05:16:08
Kikolike that oh welcome back hi I'm back again my problem is not really even your beliefs or what you stand for or how this conversation has gone to the last Point honestly I'm more upset with how you've
05:16:20
Kikoconducted yourself earlier in the podcast it was very unprofessional in my opinion all actually kind of all for giggling yeah learn how to conduct yourself properly I I could I could say
05:16:31
Brian Atlasthe same to you have a have a good good night Kiko um this is sp listen Brian I just like
05:16:43
Samuelthe panel to know that I'm all right with trans women in women's sports as long as I can
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Deborahbet as long as you can what a stupid joke on Thomas at the end of the day I 10,000 on the one if it was a way that
05:17:02
Brian Atlasdidn't affect me I wouldn't have a sincere problem with it okay so but if it does I care it's late it's late I I'd like to wrap up I appreciate you guys uh
05:17:15
Brian Atlasthis is probably I think this may have very well been one of our longest podcasts um it's like five and a half hours almost long show long show I'm trying to last one was too yeah i'
05:17:27
Ally (Gorlock)like to try discussions it is but I you know start them earlier these days maybe start like 3M say something really quickly like even though like in the midst of you know all the craziness and the disagreements I'm glad that that
05:17:38
Ally (Gorlock)we're still able to bring these topics to the table based amen yeah whether or not if we agree or disagree I feel like we all like I'm going to be 100% honest I was extremely worried on walking into
05:17:50
Ally (Gorlock)a podcast like this because I personally I've never seen another trans girl on here before you know I think you're the first and honestly can I be honest with
05:17:58
Brian Atlasyou I mean I I didn't even know you were trans same to be honest no like cuz I I saw honestly I saw I didn't think that much of it when I saw your I stumbled on
05:18:10
Brian Atlasone of your videos that was like getting it was like getting ready for work or some Bush no I think it was like you were you were in a taxi or something or like okay I was [ __ ] drunk off my ass okay and let me just say and you were
05:18:22
Ally (Gorlock)complaining about guys and I like and I was wearing this [ __ ] dress too okay I do not go to the club for [ __ ] male validation I was just drunk off my ass and I seen a situation ship that I was
05:18:33
Ally (Gorlock)in and he was with a [ __ ] who he said he was no longer involved with so that was why I was crying in the back of a taxi okay no and I I was like just the way you it was Uber Chronicles yeah
05:18:45
Brian Atlassorry oh yeah Uber Chronicles that I that's how I found you but like I legit I I did not know you were trans yeah like I mean I I saw that video I found
05:18:57
Brian Atlasyour Instagram I just shot you a message I didn't do too much digging but I I didn't know your trans coming into this so Kiko and Chase previously had a
05:19:08
Ally (Gorlock)heated discussion viral moment on this topic so and I had seen it honestly oh you you'd seen it okay so you were really walking into yeah I really I was super nervous
05:19:20
Ally (Gorlock)because I have seen like I feel like a lot of the times too like in in the past like transom and are represented in like the Jerry Springer terms or you know where it's like oh well that's a dude or
05:19:32
Ally (Gorlock)that's this that's that you know that's always belittling them and that's what I was worried about because when I've never done anything like this it's my first thing like my first little social media G
05:19:43
Ally (Gorlock)that's you want to call it yeah um and two like I was really worried of like okay like I have an idea what I'm walking into how is the best way that I
05:19:54
Ally (Gorlock)can represent myself and my community respectfully you know without I you did a good job without feeling 100% major who ever wants us to to Mush be like Oh
05:20:05
Ally (Gorlock)I'm trans I'm trans I'm trans like I that's not what I'm because to me there's more to me than just my trans identity I'm a [ __ ] person I you know I [ __ ] love pizza I [ __ ] love you know everything I love scary movies I'm
05:20:18
Ally (Gorlock)the biggest [ __ ] horror fanatic I feel like that's what a lot of people forget to us is that there's more to us than just our trans identity we're just people you know and we're more than just a
05:20:29
Chase[ __ ] what what our thing is your name is Ally correct yeah Ally I want to salute you for having The Bravery to come on this podcast thank you
05:20:40
Ally (Gorlock)salute thank you guys you guys have been amazing honestly like I said I'm really glad that into into the mic we might not always agree with these things but at least they're being talked about and they're being they're being discussed
05:20:51
Deborahabout and they're being respected hopefully I'm both in commend your bravery to come on CU it takes a lot to I didn't know what I was expecting here I was like what if it's me vers 12 liberals I'm ready for it but I don't
05:21:03
Ally (Gorlock)know who the [ __ ] am I to judge you know for you on your beliefs you know that doesn't make you a horrible person at least for me like I like you can easily I can't judge you as a person on
05:21:16
Ally (Gorlock)what you were raised by you know or what you that's all you've ever known you know I'm not that's not my place and I'm also not going to [ __ ] critique critique you if we because that because I think it's a beautiful outlook on individual liberty and freedom and
05:21:29
Chaserespect and if only the rest of the country was as tolerant as that the point that I wanted to make was I want to salute you for coming on the podcast having the bravery and the courage to do that I think you conducted
05:21:40
Chaseyourself extremely well I've enjoyed speaking with you I thought I thought it was very based that you said yeah it's gay when dudes like who have a fetish for
05:21:49
Chasedicks true I I thought that was funny and are going crazy for us they kind of I forget their name is Chase but that's literally what they're called and I I want to say too like I salute you as well for hosting Ali because like I
05:22:03
Chasethink I think one of the reasons why podcasts like this are so valuable is is because there is this like there's this tension that's building in our country with these ideologies and between like the right and the left and all that kind of
05:22:16
Chasestuff and I think conversations like this help us understand one another better and I think that's really important and like I despite seeing the clips and like being nervous about coming in here like I I I really commend
05:22:27
Brian Atlasyou for for for coming here and I I've I've valued you know hearing your experience I yo let's get W's in the chat for Ally let's see uh Wally I guess
05:22:37
Brian AtlasW in the chat let in the to salute and um also I just want to address one thing there were a couple times where uh me and Chase were kind of giggling a little bit uh I actually want to apologize for that that wasn't cool especially when
05:22:50
Ally (Gorlock)you're speaking for that too there were I'm going to be honest guys I have a very [ __ ] dark sens of humor like I can take a lot of [ __ ] but if we're having a serious conversation like 100% avoid the hate comments cuz I know they can be funny as [ __ ] I laugh at my own
05:23:01
Ally (Gorlock)hate comments too let's be real but like when we're having a a certain debate like there's a time and place for [ __ ] and if we're talking about something like don't let that [ __ ] be a distraction yeah I'm kind of like tuned
05:23:12
Brian Atlasinto I'm tuned into the chat a little bit there was a comment that I saw that was funny I think Chase probably saw to I I I want to apologize because it was disrespectful that was disrespectful so
05:23:23
Brian Atlasuh but I I appreciate you taking it on the chin and and uh you know being a a good sport and uh like I said I'm a very patient person just definitely my
05:23:34
Deborahpatience is all it is yeah cool um Okay so I reckon we ought to wrap soon unless you guys want to please let us go home we have two hours to drive back to LA
05:23:44
Brian Atlasplease it's 12:30 stay in a hotel here cuz I'm flying out at 12:00 tomorrow in the chats and uh speaking of Ali's poor Ally over there has been
05:23:55
Brian Atlasgiving me the death stairs for the past two hours like hurry the [ __ ] up Brian wrap up the show but uh appreciate I this I I do want to say to the whole panel this was a uh Deborah you I think
05:24:08
Brian Atlasyou deor you're killing me here okay I do want to say confused with the broken fingers on the doll all right Ryan put in some work on her it's it's it's a weird skeleton she
05:24:18
Brian Atlashas okay sanitize your hands after touching it uh I want to thank the panel for staying as long as you did this was I think this is our longest show ever so
05:24:29
ChaseI appreciate your guys' patience uh thank you guys for uh chat if you guys appreciated this episode smash the Thumbs Up Button throw a w in the chat if it was a solid episode and you guys
05:24:40
Chaseenjoyed it please and subscribe on Rumble so we get that monetization up for Brian and donate Brian needs racks on racks because apparently he's secretly rich but we don't know it
05:24:50
Chaseaccording to Kiko according to subscrib to Source right yeah who also knows how puberty blockers work yeah also if Christ is Lord throw Christ as Lord in
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Brian Atlasthe comments in all caps please thank you fam shout out Brian for hosting us also Brian Brian Brian well we're not sit down sit down we're not done all
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Brian Atlasright um also while since we're telling people to throw stuff in the chat um throw uh let's see like um uh World of Warcraft should release
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Brian Atlashardcore mode okay so um don't worry about it um okay so we got you guys want to watch a tap video to wrap things up you guys Aly you down you down for a little tape video I think I think they are really trying to get out of here bro
05:25:36
Brian Atlasthink they're really trying to get out of here I do love Daddy tap you want to respond to it dadd we'll do a vote show hands who wants how long did you say Daddy Tate yes my boyfriend's okay is he
05:25:50
Brian Atlasstill watching no he's fine with that let's do super chats and then we'll see how how everyone's feeling okay uh Ivan Jr unfortunately Ivan dude I'm sorry did this come in did he did she read this
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Chaselet's just read it Ivan junor 150 bucks thanks has a lot to learn socially her emotions get her lost in ramblings of nothing this is true quick to shame me on my point but is a knit all on something she clearly hasn't studied and
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Chasedoesn't believe in this is also true and a common occurrence I would love to defend the good men that still exist Brian yeah you should come in Ivan yeah
05:26:23
Brian Atlasum Ivan sorry that we didn't get this when Kiko was in uh this one's a little uh is this is this to majority of Americans rallied for
05:26:34
Chaselgbtq in 2007 to 17 until it was being pushed hard I lost friends of 10 years in the industry I wouldn't marry them it's not that we're bothered it's the way it's being pushed so hard and
05:26:44
ChaseFriends of lgbtq being groomed to quote try you want to get this one sure uh what's his name mar quavius mar quavius mar quavius this is a result of a fem Centric Society rather than providing
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Chasecompassion discernment support and biblical love mental illness is over nurtured praised and pedestalize it is an evil cruel world qualified men need to lead this is proven by single mother
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Brian Atlasstats bro Mark qu is dropping facts dude this is absolutely 100% correct and Chase do you think do you like pull this up or is this a little
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Chasethis one I mean yeah why not you sure it's they dropped 120 on it
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Chasebro does it have the by pre a donated 120 he said the trans movement is a FAL this is going to get you demonetized huh it's going to get you demonetized too late yeah all right well I don't need to read the
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Chaserest of don't read the rest of it out loud those are Buzz words oh yeah we okay wait maybe I it's an important point though important point tgr is Azz
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Samuelword he sees it is it really yes that's good really big time you can't say you can't talk about everything's taken say word don't say the word w okay good time so they're in bed with them J YouTube
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Brian Atlasthey made the bed it's a good way of putting it they own the bed t video Ally I know you're I know you're a big tapate fan right Al put on a hoodie allly just AIT that you
05:28:13
Brian Atlaslove Andrew Tate you have a thing for bald just say it just say is your what where you going she's getting a hoodie gra a hoodie wait we're almost done just power through power through okay let's
05:28:23
Brian Atlasdo one video Let's W really quick uh Eric uh do the uh show me which ones we have just over to a video tab uh what's
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Brian Atlasthis one title this you got like Gray Goose next uh next one that's what we need next like next time do we really do a tape
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Brian Atlasvideo how long is it is it oh it's not two minutes oh God that's so long I think we should just wrap it let's just just rap okay um oh I got to shout out
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Brian Atlastwitch and then we're gonna wrap am I uh twitch.tv am I abusing here am I abusing just lingering the show on okay yo uh Rebel thank you for the prime thank you for the prime B bird thank you
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Brian Atlasthe prime sub on your way out out okay sweet uh Ally I know you have a last word you really want to get in so feel
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Brian Atlasfree right now if you want to just drop some hot takes on on your bombs wait what what am I saying I don't know drop some bombs on your Mom palms are sweaty
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Aliknees weak arms are ready there's bomit on her sweater already mom spaghetti I think I'm gonna pass I don't have any hot bombs I want to talk about come on madis she's nervous she's not going to
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Brian Atlasdrop bombs her bombs aren't ready you got any bombs to drop do you got bomb M dog you got some bombs what you got uh not really
05:30:03
ChaseI M what's your most controversial take yo real quick chat if Jesus loves Ally write Jesus loves Ally in the chat please of love for Alie what's your most
05:30:13
Madisonunpopular opinion Maddie my most what unpopular opinion unpopular opinion I don't have unpopular opinions H you're just always on point masses hard to
05:30:25
Brian Atlasthink off the top of your head off the top of your head like what's like uh okay it doesn't what do you think of guys who go to you guys both go to UCSB right city city but we both live here though in I in
05:30:43
Madisondocc it's the guys that you see living around here I mean they're like no other everyone's super duper cool though oh okay what what do you think about guys in ID L
05:30:54
Brian AtlasVista I don't think anything of them I have a boyfriend that I love well before okay were you were either of you frustrated with the dating scene in college before you met your boyfriends
05:31:07
Chasewere you like man this sucks um all these Frat Boys just be doing some shady [ __ ] yo they have a two-hour drive back to LA tonight do you want to let them go right now no
05:31:19
Brian Atlascontinue the conversation no well they all got to go so I'm giving them 30 seconds if they want to I'm trying to reel them in a little bit here at the end um me personally like I said I came
05:31:32
Madisonhere with a boyfriend broke I was probably uh single for like a week and then I got swooped up quick
05:31:41
Madisongot swooped up okay yeah hot commodity exactly Allison gertude Smith what how about you huh um I think
05:31:53
Aliit's very hard to find someone here so I'm just very glad I did and I'm really happy with him so I feel like moving here especially to Santa Barbara like that's all you can think about too is
05:32:05
Madisonlike the hookup culture but I didn't move here like thinking that I wanted to like be this crazy girl and go out and hook up with all these different guys
05:32:16
Madisonlike I don't know I'm young I would say I'm very very young but I feel like old are you 18 but I feel like I moved past that point in my life and I kind of want
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Madisonto just like chill out focus on school focus on my relationship like go to church like I I don't know I'm over that time in my life so no hope is at all huh
05:32:38
Madisonyou you just bypassed the HOAs well there were some indiscretions right yeah yeah but that was yeah those were that's that's in the past it's in the past years you got your boyfriend you say
05:32:52
Brian Atlasyou're going to marry him so good for you um uh okay so last question what's the what's the tattoo 1975 what is that a band s dad's birth year your dad's
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Madisonbirth year yeah okay and then did he pass away no oh but I do have my mom's
05:33:11
Madisonbirthday on my rib cage her like birth flower on my back her the birth or the year that my mother passed away on my back and then it's all great it's all good don't worry about it does everyone
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Deborahask you if the 1975 is like your favorite band no no one really asked me about this tattoo honestly isn't there also a song by like Smashing Pumpkins called
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Deborah197 waiting for n it's called Bowling For Soup 19 19885 wait but there's also 1975 never
05:33:43
Brian Atlaslistened to this ban in my life it's a oneoff song oh sorry 1979 the Smashing Pumpkins okay cool all right we're going to wrap up the show uh did did we get
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Brian Atlasany super chats or we're good Eric we're good okay cool all right Eric wants to go too he's work okay sweet so guys hit the like button please on your way out thank you for tuning in tonight you
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05:34:31
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Brian AtlasMichaels might be coming back uh I don't want to say any anything specific but okay we are in discussions getting him back on I got some other big guests coming on so be sure to stay tuned guys
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Brian Atlaswe got some really solid guests coming uh so again live again Sunday 7 PM Pacific uh we will see you guys next time thank you again to the wonderful panel we'll see you guys next time have a good night guys see you