Gorlock The Destroyer! RAGEQUIT KEEKO vs. CHASE! Round 2! FIGHT! | Dating Talk #69
Date: 2023-04-26
Duration: 5h 36m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Chase (clip audio)(guest)
SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_04Samuel(guest)
SPEAKER_05Ali(guest)
SPEAKER_06Ally (Gorlock)(guest)
SPEAKER_07Deborah(guest)
SPEAKER_08Kiko (clip audio)(guest)
SPEAKER_09Kiko(guest)
SPEAKER_10Billy Ray(guest)
SPEAKER_11Madison(guest)
SPEAKER_12Chase(guest)
Key Moments
01:17:20
IntroAlly introduces herself as 'certified bad bitch' full-time as her occupation.
“I'm Ally better known for alzy I'm 23 years old from Arizona and I'm your certified bad bitch”
01:49:59
QuoteChase outlines his wife requirements: unvaccinated, conservative, traditionally feminine, Christian, willing to submit, ideally virgin.
“She's got to love the Lord um she's got to be unvaccinated she has to be politically conservative... traditionally feminine”
03:17:24
QuoteKiko is the only panelist willing to openly state her body count (12: 7 men, 5 women). Other guests decline.
“I have no no shame of sleeping with seven men and five different women in my 23 years of life”
04:22:00
OtherKiko threatens to leave by midnight (boyfriend upset if not home). Brian jokes about needing to get her to walk off again.
“I'm about to walk out my boyfriend's very upset if I'm not home by midnight”
04:28:00
ControversyReplay of the original viral clip from a prior episode: Chase says sleeping with a trans woman is homosexual; Kiko reacts and exits. Clip got 30M+ views on Twitter/Instagram/YouTube/Worldstar.
“Chase how dare you be transphobic Yes actually... Shut the fuck up cuz I have an opinion that differs from yours”
04:29:30
Key MomentPost-clip reunion: Brian asks Kiko and Chase to respond to each other. Kiko clarifies she left because she was an hour late for work, not purely emotional. Objects to Chase stating biological opinion as fact on a large platform.
“I wish I wouldn't have had to leave I had to leave cuz I had made multiple comments beforehand I was super late for work”
04:36:30
ControversyChase and Kiko debate whether sleeping with a trans woman is gay. Chase maintains it is a biological fact. Kiko disagrees. Ally (now revealed as trans) weighs in.
“I stated biological facts and you have a problem with me stating biological facts... for a man to have sex with a transwoman he would be having sex with a biological male which is homosexual”
04:48:00
QuoteAlly explains she recognizes 'chasers' (men who fetishize trans women for their genitals) as being gay, agreeing in part with Chase's framing in that specific case.
“there's categories to this shit... if a guy literally was just harassing me because he knew I had a penis sorry bro you're fucking gay”
04:50:00
QuoteKiko emotional statement about impact of Chase's comments on large platform and the high trans suicide rate.
“the suicide rate in the trans community is already so high and this podcast has so many views and you guys get up on here and just shit on them”
05:20:30
QuoteAlly closing statement about representing her trans community respectfully and being more than just her trans identity.
“honestly I was extremely worried on walking into a podcast like this... I'm glad that we're still able to bring these topics to the table”
05:23:20
AgreementChase and Brian apologize for laughing during Ally's serious points. Chase salutes Ally for bravery in coming on the show.
“I want to salute you for having the bravery to come on this podcast... I want to apologize because it was disrespectful”
05:29:50
ControversyAlly reveals she is a trans woman mid-discussion about plastic surgery in the trans community.
“I'm a plus-sized transwoman living in Arizona... wait you're trans yes I'm trans”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Guest introductions and relationship statuses
Brian introduces the panel. Each guest states name, age, occupation, relationship status, and longest relationship. Talking stage vs. exclusivity vs. official dating debated.
00:20:00
Submission and feminine/masculine relationship dynamics
Discussion of female submission, masculine leadership in relationships, and the 'talking stage' as a modern phenomenon. Kiko, Deborah, Billy Ray, and Ali discuss.
00:48:00
Physical turn-ons and turn-offs
Panel goes around stating physical turn-ons (fitness, masculine energy) and turn-offs (tattoos, excessive makeup, plastic surgery). Debate over fake boobs/BBLs, sternum tattoos, snake tattoos.
01:17:00
Plastic surgery and body positivity
Fat acceptance movement, plus-sized confidence, plastic surgery motivations (self vs. male validation vs. female competition). Ally discloses trans identity mid-discussion.
01:43:20
Self-ratings (physical attractiveness 1-10)
Panel rates themselves physically. Debate over how the 1-10 scale works. Ally: 10; Deborah: 8.8; Madison: 7; Billy Ray: 6.7; Sam: 5-6/10 (face ~7). Chase: not rated.
02:12:00
Leonardo DiCaprio age gap debate
Discussion of Leo DiCaprio exclusively dating women 18-25. Kiko critical of men over 40 dating women under 21 as a pattern. Chase and Sam offer counterarguments about male biological drives.
02:30:00
Women's dating advantages vs. men's struggles
Debate over whether women have 'easy mode' in dating. Billy Ray shares messages from 100K+ male followers unable to get dates; attributes to feminism eroding male confidence. Chase argues men must build their value.
03:15:00
Body count discussion and first-date disclosure
Panel body counts shared (Kiko: 12, Sam: 20-25, Chase: 7, Ally: private). Debate over whether asking body count on first date is appropriate. Billy Ray and Deborah decline to share publicly.
03:47:00
Marriage, divorce rates, and Christian vows
Chase and Brian debate the value of marriage given ~50% divorce rates. Chase argues public vows create honor/accountability. Brian skeptical of societal stigma against divorce remaining.
04:26:00
Viral clip replay: Kiko vs. Chase Round 1
Brian plays the viral clip from a prior episode where Chase said sleeping with a trans woman is gay and Kiko walked off. Panel reacts. Kiko clarifies she left for work (late), not purely emotional.
04:30:00
Trans rights, identity, and sexuality debate
Extended debate on whether sleeping with a trans woman is homosexual, trans identity as biological vs. chosen, gender-affirming care for minors, and trans representation. Ally (now known as trans) participates directly. Chase and Sam argue biological facts; Kiko and Ally argue against reducing trans people to biology.
04:51:00
Transgender ideology in schools and children
Debate over age-appropriateness of trans education in schools, puberty blockers (reversibility disputed), parental consent, and government overreach. Deborah argues parents must retain authority; Kiko argues teachers shouldn't be shamed for supportive responses.
Transcript
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02:53:07
Brian Atlasstruggling to find I I suppose a meaning or purpose in their life because it used to be go provide for your family if you're a provider you'll find a woman you'll take care of her
02:53:19
Brian Atlasuh single- inome household you'll be the sole bread winner that's how it used to be however now because of feminism and I'm not saying it's wrong I'm not saying it's a bad thing however it's a perhaps
02:53:30
Brian Atlasan unintended consequence of basically doubling the labor pool and there's news tic there's articles about this of women saying that there's not they're not able
02:53:39
Brian Atlasto find economically attractive partners and men are not appealing Partners from an economic and financial sense so that's the chief way that a lot of men made themselves attractive was hey just
02:53:52
Brian Atlasget a job there'll be a woman for hold on let me just finish also you have a globalized sexual Marketplace so you have dating apps social media you have uh dating apps social media internet
02:54:05
Brian AtlasInstagram so hold on hold on Z can you guys not talk while I'm talking please okay so you have
02:54:17
Brian Atlasglobalized SE marketplace where in the past a woman used to have if she lived in Idaho her pool of Partners was in her City in Idaho now a woman can hop on
02:54:29
Brian AtlasInstagram hop on the dating app match with people within 100 mile radius she can get DMS guys don't get DMs like this she can get DM by NFL
02:54:38
Brian Atlasplayers she can get DM by this guy this music producer this actor this famous athlete whatever it may be they'll fly her out to Miami they'll fly her to uh
02:54:50
Brian AtlasVegas they'll fly her to La they'll fly her to Dubai so you basically have women who have basically mindboggling amount of options whereas even an average woman you guys
02:55:02
Brian Atlassaid even a woman with 2,000 followers on Instagram has these blue check marks in her DMS so women have such an insanely disproportionate amount of
02:55:13
Brian Atlasoptions which they can now uh exercise on let's say and Men simply don't have that and so Men last thing last thing so also with
02:55:24
Brian Atlasthe dating apps it's purely physical and the data has been out there for years now women swipe on like less than what 10% of guys that women are all chasing
02:55:36
Brian Atlasafter the same 10% of men on dating apps women already did that before dating apps you know like women hypergamy women would be chasing after the best guys at
02:55:47
Brian AtlasCollege the best guys here the best guys there but now with digital now with Instagram now with dating apps it's like hyper insane so basically you have a much higher proportion of men who are
02:55:59
Brian Atlasgetting zeroed out who have no options who are just like normal average dudes some of them between say normal average to like even good-looking dudes are getting zeroed out because they're all
02:56:10
Samuelchasing after these top percentage of men yes so so for that reason it's really not men's fault I think okay I
02:56:19
Samuelhear you women have be have overinflated egos after downloading apps with the Advent of social media and dudes sliding into their DMS they see wow I'm really
02:56:31
Samuelactually a hot girl that's worth this much um you you have to look at you know are they getting fulfilling relationships no no they're probably
02:56:40
Samueljust getting smashed and passed but with that being said my point still stands and I stand by it that if you're a man you don't have any time to sit around
02:56:51
Samueland say woe is me pity me because you're not getting dates because of whatever reason like as a man you need to go out and [ __ ] the world you need to go out
02:57:01
Samueland like make yourself the best possible man that you can be from wherever you're starting and I understand that it's hard but if you sit around and complain and focus on all the negative reasons why you can't get a date then you are going
02:57:13
Samuelto continue to see that show up in your life rather than going into Trader Joe's and looking confused which is what you should be doing you should try and improve upon yourself and my point was
02:57:23
Samuelsimply that as a man a lot of guys just aren't putting in the work and I myself included in in the past like there are times when I get lazy and when I become complacent and when I'm not doing the
02:57:35
Samuelthings that I need to be doing and when I'm completely on top of my stuff like women they just come into my life naturally yeah and my advice to any man
02:57:45
Samuelis to is is that there's hope like you evaluate yourself realistically and do the best that you can do because that's your only option there's no option to just sit around and complain that dating
02:57:58
Samuelhas become harder because women's egos are inflated by social media and by um dating apps even though that's true Martin donated $200 thank
02:58:12
TTS/Donationsyou as I can I'll fly you home for the holidays so you can breathe in the loving arms of your family and in a matter of years you'll barely think of me every day Kiko be less narcissis I
02:58:25
Kikolove being a narcissist but that's the thing you talked about his girlfriend in the last one you don't have a girlfriend I I will guarantee right now you don't and if she did if you do she should slap the [ __ ] out of you for spending $600 so
02:58:37
Kikofar on this podcast like I'm sure you don't like that Mone buy her red butons yeah like get your girlfriend new bag or something don't send it to the show send it to send
02:58:48
Samuelsend it to me marquavius is a stud send it to the cat shelter Mar quavius is a Legend um yeah just to finish my point it you you there you can't allow
02:58:58
Samuelyourself as a man to have excuses you cannot allow yourself to have excuses for why you can't go and find a date because then you're just not going to go out and find a date the odds are that these men are probably lacking
02:59:12
Samuelin something they're probably they're probably not interesting they're probably lack conversation skills a i' like to believe that there's a small majority of men that have really committed themselves to improving upon
02:59:24
Samuelthemselves as best as they possibly can in their financial life and their social life and their physical fitness um and still aren't getting even a single date with women and if and if that's true you have to look at yourself realistically
02:59:36
Deborahyou have to rate yourself out of 10 and say look I'm 5'8 therefore I'm a seven Sam I raised you this question do you think that's really only a male thing or do you think that's a society thing that people are just lazier these days in a
02:59:48
Samuelsense and like is that only men that aren't pushing themselves to be the best of themselves cuz I think that message could apply to every single person that's a really really good point Deborah because women at and to Brian's
02:59:59
Samuelpoint that women have overinflated egos because of social media and because of the apps they're not putting in any effort right they're not creating a personality for themselves I know girls who just swipe their hinge and they're like okay I'm down I'm down I'm like
03:00:11
Deborahwhat's the point of wasting this is a little bit larger thing but I don't understand the point of like wasting time I've personally never gone on a date with somebody from an app I have a hard time like like if meeting somebody on an app I could never imagine myself
03:00:23
Deborahmeeting them in real life that's just it's very important for me to meet people in person sense their energy but I know friends who just like do it for funds and I feel like do agree or disagree that a certain point if you're just dating to date in a way like you're
03:00:36
Chasenot being selective is that more harmful or helpful to your long-term goal certainly harmful especially for women a lot of women waste their 20s just hooking up with all the Chads and then their 30s come around and they're like yo I want to settle down with a good guy
03:00:49
Chasebut it's like yo the good guys that you would want to settle down with they're not interested in a woman who wasted her 20s just hooking up with all the guys they want oftentimes a younger woman with less baggage to your point a second ago too there's a I think one of the
03:01:03
Chasereasons why a lot of people are frustrated with the dating world is because a lot of people aren't bringing much to the table guys and women included right there's a lot of women out there all they're bringing to the table is their body and their time right
03:01:14
Chasethey they wouldn't necessarily make a great wife or a great girlfriend and to your guys' points before about men like there's a lot of men out there who you know like like Sam was saying they're making excuses for themselves and not they're not like working hard on
03:01:27
Chasethemselves to build their value as men right and to all of the guys out there like there's a lot of blackpilled dudes out there every man has it within his capacity to work on his career and yes there's a lot of feminists out there
03:01:39
Chasethat like you know they they're rejecting like I don't want a male provider but every man has it within his capacity to work on his career to get in the gym and to like Sam does practice a martial
03:01:51
Chaseart and when guys do these things it builds your energy and your confidence so much when you build your value as a every guy has it within his capacity to do those things and it changes the way
03:02:01
Samuelwomen look at you guys guys should be doing that yes amen man can ask a question though real quick can I respond to Deborah's point I think that uh you know like you were saying women they
03:02:13
Samuelneed to improve upon themselves too and maybe they're lacking social skills too or what ever they need to to succeed in the dating world and that is because they're getting validation from the apps
03:02:26
Samuelif you're on the apps and you're a woman I've I've been on the apps I'm not afraid to admit it a lot of women just don't respond or you know if they it's like why did you like my profile if you don't want to go out on a date with me yeah like I'm I'm selective about the
03:02:38
Samuelwomen that I swipe on I don't just look at them for their body or whatever I actually am looking at you know could we be a potential match and when I when I swipe on them I'd like to take them out to coffee and see like meet them for an
03:02:51
Samuelhour and see if we're actually going to click because like I said previously my energy is different online than it is in person when you're looking into my eyes and as a man you need to go and do that
03:03:02
Samueland so but as a woman women you make a good point women are getting too much validation from the apps they go and they swipe and they're like yeah I'm wanted and love and then they do nothing right they AR you I mean you say that
03:03:14
Brian Atlaswomen need to self-improve you're not wrong however the difference is is that women need not self-improve to get laid to get a partner to get a
03:03:25
Samuelboyfriend yeah that's why it's just so [ __ ] easy for women my my response to that would be that there is no fulfillment in hookup culture there is no fulfillment in just [ __ ] someone
03:03:37
Samueltrust me I've done it it's not fulfilling it's not something that I want once you do it you might think you're hot you might feel better you might have a little bit more confidence for the next person but it is completely
03:03:48
Samuela waste of your time and your money and especially if you're a young woman you don't have time you need to find the guy now like if you're in your 20s you need to find if and you and you are serious
03:03:59
Chaseabout wanting to get married you need to start getting really serious about the person that you're dating and the time that you're spending and I I want to add a caveat on that because I've spoken with a lot of women recently who were in their like late 20s early 30s who feel
03:04:12
Chaselike they have no value because they're in their late 20s and early 30s I know dudes in their 30s that are looking for you women don't think that you don't have any value because you haven't found a guy by the time you're in your late
03:04:23
Chase20s however Sam's Point is still correct in the sense that it is a bad idea to waste your 20s just having fun and then hope to settle down with the best guy possible in your early 30s like that that is a bad idea and a lot of people a
03:04:35
Chaselot of women you know I I've got a lot of friends from high school they fall into that trap they think they can just bang all the Chads through their 20s and then settle down in their late 20s early 30s doesn't work like that ladies but
03:04:46
Kikothat's the say women in your late 20s and early 30s you are not valueless can I propose a question yes and we can skip it if you guys don't actually no you can't sorry Sam um so you guys brought
03:04:57
TTS/Donationsup earlier about like how you guys think feminism is hurting um how we know sure I'm not disagreeing I'm not disagreeing Mar donated
03:05:05
TTS/Donations$200 Kiko I own construction CES across the southeast hundreds of employees ran protects my anonymity with Quizno's
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TTS/Donationsstory and my girlfriend is easily a n Brian has the proof in an email don't get upset because $11,000 is not even a half day's wages for me hey spend your
03:05:27
Kikomoney spend your money how you want to but calling your girlfriend a nine is outrageous so you just that's a you just called yourself a 10 though that's why is that not outrageous no he's saying she saying I'm saying to call your own
03:05:39
Billy Rayspouse or girlfriend anything less than a 10 oh no my boyfriend sent a chat earlier he he said that I was uh he he gave the different ratings for the different parts of the day and I thought it was completely accurate different parts of the day yeah like when I wake
03:05:51
Deborahup in the morning when you put your makeup you're a five you Tak off your clothes go to sleep you're Eric we'll come back Kiko we'll come back to your question hold on fine
03:06:03
KikoI'm going to go pee the she's got to go pee got ask really quick really quick before you go pee really quick on the 10 thing oh my boyfriend responded by the way what did he say oh we've been waiting 2 and a half hours my he asked me to text my boyfriend what he would
03:06:15
Kikorate himself on a scale of 1 to 10 okay first looks oh oh I he I don't think he did into the mic Keo I don't know if he I don't know if he only was doing looks but what do you guys think he said what
03:06:27
Deborahwhat do you what do you think raing you or himself himself right you want him to ra himself he's the type of man that I would assume from what you've told me about him he'd be like I'm an F in 11 No Cap N he said that's why my boyfriend is
03:06:40
Kikowe don't I think he's humble we aren't similar in a lot of ways that's why I think we work we just know how to agree differ himself did he he
03:06:49
Brian Atlassaid he said nine always room for improvement ah he's like us a humble man just okay humble there we go no 10 thank you all right really he's a 20 really
03:07:00
Brian Atlasquick heo since he's already gone to the bathroom Eric pull up just really quick sniped that dude Sam distracted you the question
03:07:10
Brian Atlasdipped classic Instagram uh the uh man the attractive women let's say oh my question
03:07:20
Brian Atlasforgot okay so these are some I don't know if I don't know if they're tens but they're very attractive women they're attractive to you right scroll down who
03:07:29
Brian Atlasis this scroll down different people the [ __ ] got wfy cedit sure okay keep scrolling are these ones you saved or other men these all these girls have face app on first of
03:07:43
Deborahall somebody recently showed me a picture I was like I know that preset on face app so pretty I'm like why is it her on why is it her on bro that girl looks 14 years old in the blue bikini in
03:07:54
Kikothe blue yeah the top right that girl looks underage she looks like an American Girl doll like all these girls look 18 or like they're using heavy photo that looks like a guy that looks
03:08:05
Deborahlike a guy that's uh pause pause pause the sperm brows what's her name uh look at those eyebrows they're super super thin with a little at the end Stacy Dash
03:08:16
Brian Atlaslooks brows they look fine the other girls all looked underage or like they're using heavy Photoshop Kristen kruek Kristen kruck from Smallville she's okay so these are these are some attractive women right still a 10 yes I
03:08:30
KikoI feel like you could put my one of my pictures up there and you scroll right by them you can call me delusional all you want and it's not it's not because I'm saying oh people DM me people message me it's how I get reacted to on the daily basis I can't walk sorry call
03:08:43
Kikome a [ __ ] narcissist whatever you want I anywhere I go makeup or not I'm having at least on a 30 minute outing about 10 different women coming up to me that's what I take it off of not how men
03:08:54
Kikothink of me but how wom I agree with her honestly to the I have a lot of women women different any anytime I go out I have at least 10 to 20 different women
03:09:05
Kikotelling me how pretty and attractive I am to them I that's fine it took me a long time to get here if when at the first time I went on this podcast I called myself a seven but I've realized shut the [ __ ] up
03:09:18
DeborahI feel like it's wait I have a question I was going to ask her but now I'll just ask everybody else do you this is mostly for the girls and then the guys can like give their opinions do you feel prettier and hotter both when you dress more
03:09:29
Deborahrisque or more modest feminine Vibes modest feminine for sure I feel like a like a boss ass [ __ ] can I be honest yeah like when like cuz I mean like this is my thoughty outfit like who cares you
03:09:40
Ally (Gorlock)know I love it it's fun but when I'm in like let's see a Blazer a cute like little professional long sleeve it's like I on top of feeling beautiful I feel like almost powerful you I love
03:09:51
Brian Atlasdressing you and yeah yeah how about you I would agree with all right um let's uh Eric can you pull up the TW uh the twitch really quick then we'll we need to
03:10:02
Brian Atlasmove oh AB Che thank you for the big uh 20 gifted memberships thank you man appreciate it very much um can you twitch yo thank you
03:10:13
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03:10:24
Brian Atlasyo L capap thank you for the follow depressive thank you for the follow uh did I say chewy yeah chewy thank for the prime sis op Daddy kesper thank you for
03:10:34
Brian Atlasthe follow um and then we have uh Iceman thank you for the follow just reading a couple of the follows thank you guys oh feed Olympics thanks for the prime man appreciate it okay and then we got a uh Super Chat let me get CAU up super quick
03:10:46
Chaseon the super chat I just while you pull that up I just want to add one thing Deborah I think modest women it's so attractive what the rip can someone just push that back what was that come when you just push that back I think it makes
03:10:57
Deborahyou feel more like a woman it's so it's I when I'm in a modest like long dress I'm like wow I feel like I'm on top of the world but that's something that I think came with age when I was younger I
03:11:07
Ally (Gorlock)felt cooler in a crop top and then I there more gied no okay I want to add on to that like something you say that comes with age like as I'm getting older cuz I'm still 23 I feel like I'm I'm about to turn 24 but I feel like in the
03:11:19
Ally (Gorlock)last year or so like my style is like ever so changing when it comes to confidence mainly because like compared to when I was like 21 or 22 Chase why
03:11:27
Chaseyou laughing Chase why you laughing did you read the nothing sorry he's continue he's laughing at the chat
03:11:38
Ally (Gorlock)fucking2 please continue how dare you chase please continue as you were saying cool um no just like basically saying that like compared compared to when I was younger like let's say I'm wearing like a little black slip dress and you
03:11:51
Ally (Gorlock)know like a little wedge to the club with a YSL bag that would make me feel pretty but like as I'm getting older it's like almost like when I cover up it's like you feel more beautiful but like guess said that's something that comes with age and like I feel like a lot of younger girl yeah like in high
03:12:04
Madisonschool you're just going to want to wear what every other girl wears like a crop top and like some booty shorts or whatever can I specifically ask this you we totally don't have to speak about if you're uncomfortable but what age did
03:12:14
Ally (Gorlock)you start identifying as a woman can I be hon honest I have always known like I never knew the word for it if I'm being honest like growing up I didn't know what trans was I didn't know it was a
03:12:25
Ally (Gorlock)thing so like anything that grasp oned femininity that was me you know like anything I put a towel over my head that was my hair like I would literally my mom and my parents like when they would have their night outings and our
03:12:37
Ally (Gorlock)babysitters would come over I'd steal my mom's heels like feminity for me is something that's always been 100%
03:12:44
Ally (Gorlock)natural and not forced so I believe I think it was like um like 14 15 um was when I discovered what trans was you
03:12:55
Ally (Gorlock)know and I was like oh my God like wait it's I'm not a drag queen cuz at first I thought I was a drag queen cuz when then CU I didn't know what trans was I didn't know that there was a name for it I just knew that I was more than that and then
03:13:07
Ally (Gorlock)I guess like I said as I got older then I started experiencing with makeup I let my hair her out and I fully started Living as a woman when I was at the age of like 18 19 I want to say I started
03:13:17
Ally (Gorlock)letting my hair grow I started experimenting more with my clothing Etc um is your friend good it sounds like thinking a lot of jokes there I
03:13:28
Brian Atlasdon't know the chat was saying some ridiculous [ __ ] so they were I think uh okay proba getting Dr I just want everybody to know sometimes you have maturity to be able to read something
03:13:38
Brian Atlasand keep it in I don't know whose that was I almost vomited uh AED 750 looking looking at ke
03:13:50
Kikolooking at do you want to read this one Kiko yeah looking at Kiko and the way she behaves SL reacts and appears she's an actual six downgraded to a five masculini and woman is a man repellent I
03:14:01
Kikocan guess what her B BF is like now honestly you guys would have no idea what my boyfriend is like you wouldn't have the slightest you're a really good like reader thank you I like the emotion
03:14:13
KikoNar thank you thank you do you want to read this one ke yeah getting women who are not ran through in the USA justifies seeking young ones no matter what Kiko or any girl says can you hold on hold on
03:14:24
Brian AtlasKiko please Deborah shut the [ __ ] up when somebody else is talking this entire [ __ ] show your [ __ ] sidebar conversations with Billy Ray sidebar
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Kikoconversations with uh Sam over here shut the [ __ ] up please go ahead K all right I'm glad you that to me cuz I would have reacted a little differently getting women who are R who are not ran through
03:14:46
Kikoin USA just ify seeking young ones no matter what Kiko or any other girl says in other parts of the world you will still get high value women till the age
03:14:55
Kikoof 30 I.E less than three body count did we do everyone's body count yet Brian or no I said mine already
03:15:04
Samuellet's F Let's Do It Let's Do It Let's Do It Let's Do It Kiko what's your body count 12 with both genders 12 [ __ ] yeah okay wait 12 with girls and 12 guys no
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Ally (Gorlock)like I would you answer it because that's my private business we could we could just make it public business oh my God I'm sure you like that I like seeing my body count cuz most people assume my body count is
03:15:28
Alilike a lot higher are you are you hitting on me right now no I'm being sarcastic what's your body count um I'm going to pass on that Al but I have a
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Brian Atlasboyfriend so I think you can assume at least one okay okay thank you for that okay eight eight did you say did you say seven last no I think you said eight
03:15:50
Deborahlast time I said eight last time Billy Ray out of respect for my boyfriend I would never speak about my sexual life publicly to second that I have respect for myself I don't think anyone you're
03:16:02
Deborahnot in a sexual relationship with or even in a relationship has a right to know that and I will happily you embarassed of the number not at all but even if it was one even if it was 100 I still think that sexual conversations
03:16:15
Kikoshould be reserved for the person you're in relationship with not the internet but it's like don't you expect that when you come on a dating this is a dating podcast I'm not looking to date y'all oh true W's in the chat for Kiko for
03:16:27
Brian Atlasactually being open and willing to uh share No this happens every time I'm the only one who's willing to share it but I we in the chat I want to see we go in the chat their own and I mean honestly I
03:16:38
Kikoknow a lot of people look at me and how I dress or my bartending they assume my body count is 100 plus so I'm very open with saying that I've been with multiply by three that's the real number I would if I if that was the case I just
03:16:50
Kikowouldn't even say my body count everyone else scap gos out of it but I have no no shame of sleeping with seven men and five different women in my 23 years of
03:16:59
Samuellife a sh and my boyfriend Sam what's your body count it's honestly Brian I lost count but it's somewhere between 20 and
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Samuel25 okay all right I've already answered it seven seven okay and and I'd like to add that I'm not proud of that um that's
03:17:19
Samuela product of like being on the apps trying to find a girl and just kind of capitulating to my fleshly desires and
03:17:29
Samuelas a man of God a reformed man of God I am looking for my wife at this point and I'm not I am like Keiko would say a born- again virgin Deborah question for
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Chaseyou wait allow me to just say I have been saving myself for my wife for the past 3 years and will continue to do so so and will not be having sexual intercourse until my wedding night thank you very
03:17:51
Brian Atlasmuch word wait really quick I have a question for Deborah I have a question for Chase and Kiko what do you guys think is this for all three of us huh is this for all three of us just just you two for this
03:18:04
Brian Atlasfirst one then I have a question for Deborah would you guys go like if it was a it a reality show produced by whatever
03:18:13
Kikowhere you guys went on a date would you guys do that no I would never go on I would never go on a date with another man other than let's say you're single say say you're single how much are you offering here yeah if I'm
03:18:26
Chasegetting paid I can be anywhere you guys can go to Habachi first off on on the house okay Habachi this is not you got to sweeten the deal that's not I could go there by myself and not subject
03:18:36
Chasemyself to headaches well maybe she's perfectly Pleasant on a first day okay go on how much you offering 300 each
03:18:45
Kikoyeah that go 300,000 300 i' go for 300 because I feel like we me personally I'm willing to come to a middle ground and also change my opinions on certain things so I have no problem having an
03:18:56
Kikoarrangement with somebody else um that differs differently me maybe I can learn something you're very close-minded Chase no my time is worth more than that 3 350 about 350 make it a grand and
03:19:09
Brian Atlasthen we'll start talking okay fair enough uh Deborah so with a body count thing you said that it's not appropriate for whatever that's fine um hold on a second if you scrouge up the funds make
03:19:20
Brian Atlasit two grand and then we'll start talking yeah it's not worth start an only fans okay so maybe we could fanf fund it would you guys like to see that like a little not a podcast I will go on
03:19:32
Chasea date with tic T he doesn't even know her name I will go on a date with witho I will go on a date with Kiko for a YouTube video for
03:19:43
Brian Atlastwo grand if you crowdfund it and then 3 for Kiko no this a startup Grand I get 25 okay um so so Deborah if a let's say uh a guy you were
03:19:55
Brian Atlason a first date with where it's private you're not on a podcast he asked you what your body count was would you have an issue with that a fullon complete answer I don't
03:20:08
Deborahthink I think First Dates should be lighter and more just like getting to know somebody I'm very big on like leave them wanting more only go for like an hour max so for the way that I approach First Dates I think that would be inappropriate but in general if I'm
03:20:20
Deborahinterested in somebody I want to date them and they ask me that question of course I would know problem sharing that's between me and them and if that person's going to end up being my husband there is nothing I wouldn't share with them but with the internet I
03:20:31
Deborahthink the society has become way too comfortable posting sexual stuff and personal information online at the end of the day you should respect yourself and you should respect the relationship
03:20:43
Brian Atlasthat you will be in one day and keep taboo things taboo for a reason cheers to that Deborah b l l Debra good
03:20:52
Brian Atlaspronunciation my God okay um okay that's a that's a fair answer that's a fair answer I you know I I think I've asked this question to women I mean perhaps we
03:21:02
Brian Atlascan go around the panel on this uh if a guy on the first date politely asked you know how many your body count would you be uh taken back would you be offended
03:21:14
Brian Atlasand I I want to add a point to it once you guys all answer so Billy
03:21:21
Billy RayRay I don't know first date but he's polite the mic into the mic
03:21:31
Chaseum and would you tell him too he asks you right off somebody if somebody asks me and I'm you guys sit down at the table and he's like how many dud what do you want to drink and how many guys have you
03:21:43
Billy Rayslept with I don't I I think it really depends on if we've been if this is our first time meeting and we had been talking for a while and there was like some conversation already established and we were super interested in each other um and also if this was
03:21:55
Billy Rayleading towards a sexual relationship I have no problem talking about that um but you said I I was kidding no no no I would never lie if I was going to tell
03:22:05
Billy Raysomebody I would never lie or tell them a false number um I think that'd be a weird first date question though it's totally a weird agree
03:22:16
Brian Atlastotally weird how do you bring that up in a not weird way on a first date well I I want the girls to answer before I before I give my piece but Mar quavius
03:22:26
Chaseby the way said he would fund the oh snap let's go so four so Mar is four grand for Kiko and I to go on Dat you want 2K yeah I'm not going to go any
03:22:38
ChaseL than oh my God Kiko where you want to go5 wait will your boyfriend even allow this um for for $2,000 he will were you taking her Chase where do you want to go he'd be at a different he'd be at a table behind us for sure though he
03:22:51
Kikowouldn't let me go alone oh that's I me honestly if marquavius is funding Ryan the best content of your life would be me chaseing my boyfriend at the same table cuz they would gang up on me
03:23:03
Brian Atlas[ __ ] my boyfriend would agree with him more than he would agree with me Chase confirm we just know we just know how to logically have our differences are you
03:23:10
Brian Atlastrying to like convince Chase to do a Devil's threeome Pass pass he's one who pass Kik are you trying to go to Paris with Chase and your I not do my
03:23:22
Brian Atlasboyfriend there I'll go anywhere I will not do any I'm bu my boyfriend then you you didn't get what I meant you're probably little too okay we'll see if he's uh we'll we'll talk to
03:23:33
Brian Atlasmarquavius about it um first date guy asks you your body count politely but he's curious you know I don't take it
03:23:43
Madisonsuper personal I feel like it's a big factor in every person's life especially if you're trying to get into like a relationship to know that like body count matters so I wouldn't be offended
03:23:55
Madisonand would you you'd tell him if he asked uh if I if I was like liking him on the date I would tell him okay if I didn't like him I would not tell him sure she said body count
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Deborahmatters which is interesting to me body count does matter if you met the most perfect man in the world and then you found out or same to the girl question if you not you didn't ask this on the first date you go in blind you're seeing
03:24:19
Deborahthis girl for a few months you're like wow this is my soulmate this girl is amazing or guy and then you find out that they have like a ridiculously high body count like 30 people that they've slept with would you completely walk
03:24:30
Billy Rayaway yeah yes 50 people no question like 30 people I see why I'm seeing why it would be a question cuz body count does I see let me I'll get to it what about you um I
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Aliwould tell them I don't think it's like a first question I feel like you would have to lean into it but also I think it depends on how into them I am if I would
03:24:53
Ally (Gorlock)see myself dating them um okay sure thoughts honestly just like what she said it would have to be like if I'm into you then yeah I don't mind sharing that information but if
03:25:05
Brian Atlaslike you're just being a weirdo get off my [ __ ] qu wait question for you um so you previously described yourself as a
03:25:12
Brian Atlascertified bad [ __ ] bad [ __ ] 247 do you do you like [ __ ] slay like you got mad [ __ ] cuz you're a certified bad
03:25:22
Ally (Gorlock)[ __ ] do you got mad [ __ ] no I feel like I'm somewhat retired what do you okay wait wait let me let me you finish before I answer this yeah let me let you finish I'm sorry do you get mad
03:25:33
Brian Atlas[ __ ] as in like and by the way are you who do you go for guys or girls guys girls both I like boys I like men okay you like men I actually you know what I'm going to be honest cuz when I drink
03:25:44
Ally (Gorlock)like I'm I'm personally like I don't like vagina but like I'm down to play with some as and titties like it's fun all right that's why I asked Kiko get it that's why I asked Kiko so about your sexuality so like not I don't know I
03:25:57
Ally (Gorlock)kind of get the Imp like I feel like you got game so like do you get mad [ __ ] uh honestly yes however let me clarify
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Ally (Gorlock)something do am I I I feel like the older that I'm getting I'm washing them away why because I'm getting older I
03:26:16
Ally (Gorlock)want a man who loves me you're 23 you got plenty of time to to sew the Wild Oats let's be is that how that goes
03:26:26
Ally (Gorlock)let's spill the tea real quick okay like let's spill the tea my experiences from dating are way more different than theirs I'm a trans girl like men honestly like it's so [ __ ] rare that
03:26:39
Ally (Gorlock)you ever even find a guy that's being like let me take you out let's go see a movie let's go have dinner no they're just trying to [ __ ] I'm a fetish I'm a fetish to like 98% of those [ __ ] guys
03:26:49
Ally (Gorlock)you know so my thing right now is like okay yeah sexually I can probably have whatever the [ __ ] guy I want to you sure about no honestly like there has not I'm going to be 100% honest like if
03:27:01
Ally (Gorlock)I genuinely like that guy or if I like oh like you know what there's nothing Godly about you not you sorry sorry um so like if
03:27:12
Ally (Gorlock)I'm attracted to them sexually like there's I've 90 like 95% of the time I'll get it however I'm getting to a certain age now of like a level of
03:27:22
Ally (Gorlock)maturity where it's like okay sex is just sex at this point I want intimacy and I want it outside of closed doors yep you want uh something that's not
03:27:33
Ally (Gorlock)shallow and superficial you want more than just sex yeah like I a yep like I crave intimacy like and honestly like I that's something that I want long term
03:27:44
Ally (Gorlock)and and I'm I'm ated of maturity like I said I'm clearing the [ __ ] roster I don't give a [ __ ] if you're a [ __ ] football player if you know so Ando person if you know X Y and Z like I don't give a [ __ ] like clear clearing
03:27:57
Brian Atlasthe roster what do you mean by by that do you have confirm or deny in your DMs yes you just running through famous dudes I would I'm not going to be like talking me like yeah I have hundreds but
03:28:09
Brian AtlasI have like a good amount but you said a roster so like what question for you what's the most amount of people that you've dated all at once all at
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Ally (Gorlock)once like in rotation sure same time rotation however you want to um honestly like three ination okay yeah no like I'll have men I'm like okay this one's annoying me like okay it's time to clear
03:28:31
Ally (Gorlock)his ass and let's bench this person right there do you me men madness out here honestly can I okay so I did the dating app thing like I said it was a full fetish like that's all it was so I
03:28:42
Ally (Gorlock)you put it on your sorry so how do do they know that you're trans that's what I was going to ask put out there I don't care how passible you are I feel like
03:28:52
Ally (Gorlock)you have to discl respect and this is why because there especially like ding like there's like okay let's say I go out on a guy and the and honestly know
03:29:04
Ally (Gorlock)I'm going to talk about this right now at my at my job do it let's go no at my job I had an experience with an old coworker I'm not going to see my my what I what my real job is say his full name no what's his social I'm not going to
03:29:16
Ally (Gorlock)say his name but like I got offended because long story short he basically said that if he went on like a a date with a trans girl he didn't know that she was trans
03:29:27
Ally (Gorlock)and she is like a [ __ ] baddy like I'm talking ass titties like Opera even [ __ ] tell like this is the baddest [ __ ] and he found out that she was trans he said that he would feel the
03:29:38
Ally (Gorlock)need to bring out his weapon oh exactly so it's a safety issue it's a safety issues like it doesn't matter what you are like I I feel like you can be the most CEST like [ __ ] bad bitchery like
03:29:50
Ally (Gorlock)passable girl I feel like you have to disclose and I get it some girls like it kind of come into a pride thing too with trans girls it's like well I work so hard to get to my Womanhood and blah blah blah blah I get that and I fully
03:30:02
Ally (Gorlock)respect it like whatever you want to be still but when it comes to a man and especially in dating and this like I said this is my opinion and like if any other like trans girls are watching if any other trans girls are watching any
03:30:13
Ally (Gorlock)of the dolls are watching hit my DMs because if I'm saying something that's misinforming educate me because I'm totally open to that but I feel like when you're one of the Dolls you have to disclose when it comes to dating because
03:30:25
Ally (Gorlock)this is how there things like murders violence you know X Y and Z this is how trans girls like end up in sticky situations nine times out of 10 because they don't
03:30:36
Ally (Gorlock)disclose Y and Z particularly X and Y I will say that however I will say though that being in the social scene I can walk into a bar and I'm the most
03:30:47
Ally (Gorlock)confident [ __ ] ever a man will still go out of his way and these are the ones that I'm talking about that are like little closets or whatever you want to call them be like [ __ ] I I agree I've heard I've heard
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Samuelthe same thing from some of my friends they're like if I found out cuz I went to Thailand and they're like bro like the lady boys whatever I didn't do anything but they're like if I if I found out that cuz a lot of them are
03:31:13
Samuelreally believable like they get their Adams Apple shave they get their dick cut off like they get everything done and I've heard the same thing from like a couple of my
03:31:23
Ally (Gorlock)friends they're like yeah like I'm like I'm swinging if I find out that so no I'm agreeing with you I'm agreeing with you this is why fully always recommend to the dolls to all of my trans girls
03:31:34
Ally (Gorlock)even trans men like anybody with situation like that you have to disclose dis I 100% like even when it comes to dating apps like you ask me if I put in there hell yeah I do the
03:31:46
Ally (Gorlock)you're I'm not going to risk myself [ __ ] being in a situation where something stupid could happen to me over something that one I could have easily prevented and two because I don't want to spend my time with somebody who's ignorant or who doesn't agree with me then that's on them I respect your
03:31:59
Ally (Gorlock)opinion but you know what it's not worth my time that's personal responsibility that us conservatives love honestly what's funny yeah honestly no yours are being no like you're being rude I'm talking about a big situ about side comers and side bars and you're laughing
03:32:12
Ally (Gorlock)at her this whole time it's really [ __ ] rude no like let's talk about it like we're going genuinely I'm not I'm not saying this to be confrontational but like I'm all for people having opinions and and fully
03:32:24
Ally (Gorlock)respecting them but I'm not going to deal with the side laughing because it's not okay it's really rude it's not professional because I'm 100% open to hearing your point of you on things no that's totally fair act like big old Christian man of God I don't think a man
03:32:37
Chaseof God would conduct himself this way I'm sorry there's certain ways to show face if you want to go laugh about it in your private do don't project onto me what you think a man of God would do I just want to say for the record I respect you Sor saying that you disclose that I think that's a very good thing
03:32:51
Chaseand I think that that's healthy for society and I think that more trans people absolutely should do that so that we can minimize violence because I don't think violence is a is is a good way to deal with anything in this realm at all and I I think what you're saying is is
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Ally (Gorlock)is good in that aspect no and also let me just finish something why still saying that I'm not also saying that that the that trans girls only get hate Crim or whatever violenc or whatever
03:33:15
Ally (Gorlock)just because of that they get hate Crim as well because of other [ __ ] too but that don't support that is just one of the things that that preventable it's a preventable one that's a preventable one from happening to us it's preventable
03:33:28
Chasethat was my whole point of that again I I respect you disclosing that and I also I want I want to State for the record I don't support violence against trans people I don't think that's a good thing violence is wrong I'm glad we can all agree on that don't hurt people for no
03:33:39
Chasereason but don't [ __ ] play with me because okay so the the original question have you ever have you ever [ __ ] someone up who like was like yo I hate trans people and they were like trying to get VI if I'm being 100% honest like I don't give a [ __ ] what people's opinions are like I'm the
03:33:52
Ally (Gorlock)baddest [ __ ] you can't change my [ __ ] mind yeah maybe come out as delusional but I don't give a [ __ ] what the [ __ ] you have to you think I dress like this and and have [ __ ] 40inch weave in my head and fake lashes in for
03:34:03
Ally (Gorlock)some man absolutely not I do it because you know what I feel beautiful and with or without it and like I don't give a [ __ ] one thing you're not going to do though is may I ask a question don't play with me in my face like that
03:34:15
Ally (Gorlock)because that's when it becomes an issue and that's f for anybody because you know what I'm the most patient person ever I don't care if we're at the club we're at dinner whatever I'll let some [ __ ] slide but if it keeps on going she's been very patient no you qu [ __ ] playing with me because that's
03:34:28
Chasewhy you're playing with my face she's been very patient so point taken I have a question for you if I may ask are you on hormones yes how long have you been been on hormones since I was 1920 how do
03:34:39
Brian Atlasyou feel like it's changed you as a person um I'm a lot more emotional however I feel like it also made me a little more strong minded how so I'm not as much of a crybaby as I used to be really got it okay so the
03:34:51
Brian Atlasoriginal point was or the initial question was we were talking about body count and I was basically just going around asking somebody knocking somebody knock might be one of
03:35:03
Brian Atlasyour neighbors sounds like it's one of your neighbors yeah the wall is it the wall I don't know um oops Eric do you want to check on it
03:35:13
Brian Atlasuh no don't don't open the door Eric don't open the door I open okay um so are you why are you checking Eric don't check no checking don't open the door they're going to kidnap you Eric
03:35:27
Brian Atlasyeah they're going to they're going to kidnap you do your neighbors complain a lot huh do your neighbors complain a lot again and whatever we're just going to continue okay so the body count thing right the body count thing we were
03:35:37
Brian Atlastalking about um what's it called uh sorry [ __ ] distracting me yeah so you guys all answered some of you said maybe it's a little iffy I'll tell you this
03:35:48
Brian Atlasand maybe this is me giving girls a bit of game here if a guy is asking what your body count is even on the first date that means that he's actually interested in you and he's trying to
03:36:00
Brian Atlaslike cuz if a guy is also socially [ __ ] yeah I don't think he's the type of guy who needs to hire Billy's friend for his dating profile pictures no iag I disagree no because if it's
03:36:11
Brian Atlasimportant to you if it's important to you why like think it's best to get those sorts of potential deal breakers just get them out on the first date certain things
03:36:22
Deborahfigure out and certain things I hear you but I think it's that makes it more like a meeting and I've got on one date with a guy who made it like that he's like would you be down to get married very quickly after started dating I also don't think you should wait a long time for an engagement and also after you get
03:36:36
Deborahmarried I don't think you should wait a long time to have a baby I'm like like whoa this is not a business deal relationships are complicated you need a connection before you make sure that everything's align and that's like the B basis of everything is a connection so I
03:36:48
Deborahthink those questions are important to come in time but I don't think you should just go into a first date and like rip out all your hardest questions and types like how do you want to raise a kid like those are very important but if you don't even have that initial connection it's like there's no point
03:37:00
Brian Atlasbut if a girl says like look if if a girl says something that for example yes that is just and you are looking for something longterm whether you're a girl or a guy and for example if someone says
03:37:12
Brian AtlasI don't want to have kids and you ask do you want to have kids kids one day that's a reasonable first dat question but some people might say whoa that's this is our first day meeting no
03:37:22
Brian Atlasno no but that's but but why aren't men allowed to have the ask these sorts of questions that could be kids is what you want to have in the future your body count is things that you've done in relationships and if somebody's not going to be in a
03:37:35
Deborahrelationship why do you need to share such personal information with them that they're just going to like go and not have any use for if you tell someone like oh yeah I want kids like that's not really personal information that's just
03:37:45
Chaselike do like chicken yeah but yeah but on a oneon-one on a one-on-one guys guys it's it's like this okay if I'm going on a first date with a girl Brian I'm going to ask her yo like do you want kids do you want to have a family like are
03:37:57
Chasebelieve in do you believe in God are you down with Traditional Values all that kind of stuff all all of that and and yes around here in California that's going to turn a lot of girls off which is why I don't date girls here in the area all that's fair game first date but
03:38:10
Chasethe thing the body count question bro it's like a socially we're not allowed to say the word [ __ ] but it's a socially socially it's a socially [ __ ] question to ask on the first
03:38:20
Chasedate because say the r word from here on out because if a guy says hey what's your body count on the first date the woman's going to be like are you kidding me right now like like vet her you know
03:38:31
Chasefind out if you guys have chemistry and if so I'm Bros I'm going to give you guys a tip check out her social media check out her Facebook her Instagram all that kind of stuff look at her past if you see her partying and you see her
03:38:44
Chasewith a bunch of chat DS going out to the clubs in the past you can be reasonably certain that she's got a decently high body count okay now not all women do but if there are those indicators you can be
03:38:55
Chasereasonably certain now if you like the girl and you guys have chemistry and all that kind of stuff you start building that relationship with her and then a few dates in if it if an opportunity comes up where it's not weird you could
03:39:07
Chaseask her but if you ask her on the first date right off the bat it's like bro like she's probably going to be like yo are you kidding me right now dude and it'll probably kill the vibe well it depends on what her body is if she has a
03:39:16
Samuelhigh body count she's going to be really like difficult to break open and want to tell you that but if she has a low body count she's going to tell you that right away and she because women know they they know that a low body
03:39:28
Samuelcount is like something to flex and a high body count is something to hide so it depends on the kind of woman so I kind of see what Brian's point is I will add a because if you add if if you ask someone on the first state hey what's
03:39:40
Samuelyour body count uh you know and she's hesitant no I I disagree might be she has a high body count but it also might be that like it's just really invasive because you're just getting to know
03:39:50
Billy Raythough I think a lot of girls with high body counts are actually very happy to tell you they're very empowered on the show that's been true on the show for sure the chicks with the highest body counts have been like it's
03:40:03
Chase39 I will add a caveat I will add a caveat I was talking to a girl recently I knew that she was extremely interested in me she knew that I was very interested in her right off the bat and she I could tell she was very modest had
03:40:15
Chasegood values good morals all that kind of stuff bit younger and I asked her are you a virgin and she told this was in the first 48 Hours of us talking and she said yes okay so like there are times like if if there's sufficient interest
03:40:25
Chaseand you guys are already vibing you can ask but like if you just it's it's a socially R thing to just ask right off the bat until you have the Vibes established it's a great way to kill the vibe would you guys agree with that it's
03:40:37
Deborahalmost like why are you asking that is that you're single determinant Factor if you want to be in a relationship with somebody CU if you're just going off a number alone of course that's important everybody should have their own standards for themselves but like if your numberers like oh five or more I'm
03:40:50
Deborahdone I'm leaving like it it just seems very disingenuous and it just seems like you're not really looking for the right things even though you actually are it's just there's always a way to go about things and there's always a way to deliver things that's with everything in
03:41:02
Brian Atlaslife whether it's political things whether it's dating there's always the right way to third date third date question I feel like third date question I think it's a third dat question it's of any date question if the vibe is
03:41:14
Deborahthere exact Every Girl's different every relationship's different every connection's different if you feel there's those people that you meet and it's like wow where have you been my whole life like our souls are aligned I just feel like I've known you for a million years those things I think you
03:41:27
Deborahstay up all night talking about your childhood body count when I lost my virginity all those types of little uh tiny things but if it's just like a random girl that you match with on hinge you meet you take her off her drinks like yo so what's your body count like
03:41:39
Brian Atlasthat just makes you look so bad as a guy even if it's coming from a great place which I can acknowledge so I think think you can first off frame the question in a better way I mean I I don't know exactly how I would articulate it but you could say something like have you
03:41:52
Deborahbeen ran through yeah I'm sure that would go over that was you ran through you could ask like are you willing to have sex before marriage and if they say yes then say do you have sex outside of relationships things like that like I'm
03:42:03
Deborahsomebody that that is a big thing for me like I don't I'm not a one night stand type of girl just put it that way like I'm physically incapable of sleeping with somebody if I just met them and think they're cute I'm an emotional person I like connecting I'm a girl like
03:42:15
Deborahcommitment and I think it would unell myself if I just slept with a guy who thought I was goodlook and liked me for a night like I want to see a man try and VI and that's what courting is women used to be courted by men now they slide up on your pictures like your story and
03:42:27
Brian Atlasthey're like I'm in no you're not I mean that's because I mean courtship is reserved for for ladies you know gentlemen and ladies most women today
03:42:37
Brian Atlasare not ladies a lot of men AR gentle that's not a bad point so a lot of women have slept with 10 20 30 40 50 people they're dating multiple people at the
03:42:48
Brian Atlassame time you don't get courtship if you're not a traditional woman Point period yeah for sure and most women are not traditional women and they're dating multiple people I'm not going to court you when you have three other dudes that
03:43:01
Brian Atlasyou're so why don't you ask that question why don't you ask that question are you talking to anybody else I do ask that question I think that's more a better question I do ask that question but I do care about your past too I feel
03:43:13
Deborahlike you ask them uh are you open having sex before marriage I think that's a much easier question than a body count cuz usually the girl will lend information like oh yeah I had sex this time but it's I'll on the first date
03:43:24
Chasethat's a good question to ask CU if they're like oh yeah I don't think marriage so on the first date so it's it's an interesting question too because I know that you don't want to get married and I it also actually leaves me
03:43:37
Chasewondering Brian like if you if you're not interested in getting married why do you care about what the girl's body count is like is that a serious question great question because if you're not
03:43:50
Chaseinterested in like like a serious long-term relationship with the girl that you're talking to I mean would you ask a woman hygiene does not correlate to body count though so we we talked a little bit about this last
03:44:02
Brian Atlastime but you seem to think that it's somehow incap you're it's it's impossible to have a serious long-term monogamous relationship with a girl without also having a marriage well I
03:44:14
ChaseI'm I'm not under the impression that you want like a decades long do you want like a decades long relationship with a woman outside of marriage sure yeah yeah yeah with like kids involved in stuff
03:44:25
Brian Atlastoo uh I mean I'm right now I'm a little on the fence with when it comes to kids I'm I'm not yet I'm not 100% yes not 100% no um do you just not want the uh the government involved is that your
03:44:37
Brian Atlasthought on marriage that's that's part of it um I mean just the fact of the matter is is that marriage divorce is for me does I I don't see the benefit from a religious point of view I don't
03:44:50
Brian Atlashave an issue with it but with the government when it comes to divorce when it comes to the financial ramifications when it comes to just being uh the court
03:44:59
Brian Atlassystem which has a pretty gnarly bias against men just doesn't sorry there's a guys there's a fly on the microphone I had to blow the away sorry to destroy
03:45:08
Brian Atlasyour your ear loes there nice okay [ __ ] flies harass in us um yeah just men get destroyed in divorce
03:45:18
Brian Atlasum and women initiate 80% of divorces that's 90% if they're college educated so I just I don't see I I really don't see the benefit most the vast majority
03:45:30
Brian Atlasof people who uh pay alimony and child support are men so it's just all the negative outcomes of divorce disproportionately impact men so there's just absolutely no incentive to get
03:45:41
Brian Atlasmarried I I'm a businessman I said this last time I'm a businessman you know I'm a businessman because you find me at my place as of business I do not enter into
03:45:50
Brian Atlascontracts that are dog [ __ ] and marriage is a is a contract and it's a terrible contract in the state of California in in all Western countries as long as you don't want
03:46:02
Brian Atlaskids divorce I think where there aren't no fault divorce like how is it a bad contract is it a bad contract if you get a prenup prenups are constantly challenged and
03:46:14
Brian Atlasthrown out they look at the end of the day when you get married if you have a divorce unless you're both really uh amicable there's going to be lawyers involved if you as the guy you're the
03:46:26
Brian Atlasprimary bread winner you have to pay for your lawyer you have to pay her for uh you have to pay for her lawyer you have to pay for yours lawyers charge like $300 an hour um you're going to get screwed there then you're going to have to pay her money then you're going to
03:46:38
Brian Atlashave to pay alimony then throw in child support she gets the house she gets the dog she gets everything [ __ ] no but that's that's in a state that's in a state with no fault divorce though I happened to be in California right right
03:46:50
Brian Atlasso but like in another state would it be different doesn't have that men get destroyed in every single state in this country when it comes to divorce and alimony but there's I get it's not 100%
03:47:01
Kikobut there is certain Clauses to help you there I question if that's true I I'm and also like you can't I'm like the more red States if it's is bad you don't believe that you can Court out a woman who won't do that to you like you just like what about you don't say to find
03:47:14
Kikosomeone them right away what if you're with someone for 10 plus years you guys are living together you think all of a sudden you're going to get married and boom 12th year she's going to [ __ ] you over like I'm not a Gambling Man well
03:47:24
Brian AtlasI'm not I'm not making that that bet with a woman she would have to I hope you don't have kids even if you dat them for 10 years that's kind of a [ __ ] up thing to say I mean if you're going to if that's your ideology towards it I
03:47:35
Kikomean it doesn't seem like you're too concerned about what your mother's child's position in life is going to be if you have a child involved it doesn't matter if you're married or not that's still going to be a lot of a lot of um court fees and all all that stuff is
03:47:49
Brian Atlasstill going to come into play if you decide to have children even if you're not married well there's child support there I don't see what that has to do with kids but I would much rather have to just pay child support and by the way I would fight for shared custody
03:48:02
Brian Atlasunfortunately it happens to be the case in this country and most Western countries that men are so it's almost well it is sexist men are presumed that you know they are not capable of being
03:48:13
Brian Atlascapable uh being capable caretakers so women are overwhelmingly awarded custody when it comes to custody disputes so that's I mean another component of the court system where there's a bias
03:48:24
Brian Atlasagainst men but um I would much rather just pay child support than also have to pay alimony and then pay for in the event of a divorce have to pay for her attorney and my attorney and they're you
03:48:36
Brian Atlasknow $300 $400 an hour in billable hours so no thanks I I just it's just not a good move as a man it's just not a good move
03:48:47
Brian Atlasquestion unless have religious conviction are your parents married they are oh wow they're still together they're married my parents aren't but we we live in a different time now we live in a very different time and people
03:48:59
Brian Atlasmaneuver in very different ways look do you think most people that get married most men and women who get married they go into it thinking they they maybe go into it thinking this is the person I'm going to spend the rest of my life with
03:49:10
Brian AtlasI love this person to death and then 2 years later 3 years later one year l later 9 months later they're divorced they're going through a contested brutal divorce where they typically the man gets financially demolished a lot of
03:49:24
Brian Atlaspeople get married for the wrong reasons and that's what that also is a play though there's a lot of happy marriages out there too so per well I don't I don't want to even risk that as a possibility you don't want to risk the
03:49:36
Deborahloss when like the happiest you could ever I mean it's up to you but could Bey outside I think on the other side of that risk could also be like the most happy and fulfilled that you'll ever feel your life and I don't think there's anything in life more fulfilling than getting married and having a family and
03:49:49
Deborahnothing on this Earth I feel like could match that but I do understand that not everybody wants that and there's different desires for people and we're in a different age where not everybody needs that but I do absolutely believe that that is the highest level of
03:50:01
Brian Atlasfulfillment and achievement that a man and womanish Mar sure marriage is two people staying together under threat of law suit from the other and it's usually I believe I don't