Gorlock The Destroyer! RAGEQUIT KEEKO vs. CHASE! Round 2! FIGHT! | Dating Talk #69
Date: 2023-04-26
Duration: 5h 36m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Chase (clip audio)(guest)
SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_04Samuel(guest)
SPEAKER_05Ali(guest)
SPEAKER_06Ally (Gorlock)(guest)
SPEAKER_07Deborah(guest)
SPEAKER_08Kiko (clip audio)(guest)
SPEAKER_09Kiko(guest)
SPEAKER_10Billy Ray(guest)
SPEAKER_11Madison(guest)
SPEAKER_12Chase(guest)
Key Moments
01:17:20
IntroAlly introduces herself as 'certified bad bitch' full-time as her occupation.
“I'm Ally better known for alzy I'm 23 years old from Arizona and I'm your certified bad bitch”
01:49:59
QuoteChase outlines his wife requirements: unvaccinated, conservative, traditionally feminine, Christian, willing to submit, ideally virgin.
“She's got to love the Lord um she's got to be unvaccinated she has to be politically conservative... traditionally feminine”
03:17:24
QuoteKiko is the only panelist willing to openly state her body count (12: 7 men, 5 women). Other guests decline.
“I have no no shame of sleeping with seven men and five different women in my 23 years of life”
04:22:00
OtherKiko threatens to leave by midnight (boyfriend upset if not home). Brian jokes about needing to get her to walk off again.
“I'm about to walk out my boyfriend's very upset if I'm not home by midnight”
04:28:00
ControversyReplay of the original viral clip from a prior episode: Chase says sleeping with a trans woman is homosexual; Kiko reacts and exits. Clip got 30M+ views on Twitter/Instagram/YouTube/Worldstar.
“Chase how dare you be transphobic Yes actually... Shut the fuck up cuz I have an opinion that differs from yours”
04:29:30
Key MomentPost-clip reunion: Brian asks Kiko and Chase to respond to each other. Kiko clarifies she left because she was an hour late for work, not purely emotional. Objects to Chase stating biological opinion as fact on a large platform.
“I wish I wouldn't have had to leave I had to leave cuz I had made multiple comments beforehand I was super late for work”
04:36:30
ControversyChase and Kiko debate whether sleeping with a trans woman is gay. Chase maintains it is a biological fact. Kiko disagrees. Ally (now revealed as trans) weighs in.
“I stated biological facts and you have a problem with me stating biological facts... for a man to have sex with a transwoman he would be having sex with a biological male which is homosexual”
04:48:00
QuoteAlly explains she recognizes 'chasers' (men who fetishize trans women for their genitals) as being gay, agreeing in part with Chase's framing in that specific case.
“there's categories to this shit... if a guy literally was just harassing me because he knew I had a penis sorry bro you're fucking gay”
04:50:00
QuoteKiko emotional statement about impact of Chase's comments on large platform and the high trans suicide rate.
“the suicide rate in the trans community is already so high and this podcast has so many views and you guys get up on here and just shit on them”
05:20:30
QuoteAlly closing statement about representing her trans community respectfully and being more than just her trans identity.
“honestly I was extremely worried on walking into a podcast like this... I'm glad that we're still able to bring these topics to the table”
05:23:20
AgreementChase and Brian apologize for laughing during Ally's serious points. Chase salutes Ally for bravery in coming on the show.
“I want to salute you for having the bravery to come on this podcast... I want to apologize because it was disrespectful”
05:29:50
ControversyAlly reveals she is a trans woman mid-discussion about plastic surgery in the trans community.
“I'm a plus-sized transwoman living in Arizona... wait you're trans yes I'm trans”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Guest introductions and relationship statuses
Brian introduces the panel. Each guest states name, age, occupation, relationship status, and longest relationship. Talking stage vs. exclusivity vs. official dating debated.
00:20:00
Submission and feminine/masculine relationship dynamics
Discussion of female submission, masculine leadership in relationships, and the 'talking stage' as a modern phenomenon. Kiko, Deborah, Billy Ray, and Ali discuss.
00:48:00
Physical turn-ons and turn-offs
Panel goes around stating physical turn-ons (fitness, masculine energy) and turn-offs (tattoos, excessive makeup, plastic surgery). Debate over fake boobs/BBLs, sternum tattoos, snake tattoos.
01:17:00
Plastic surgery and body positivity
Fat acceptance movement, plus-sized confidence, plastic surgery motivations (self vs. male validation vs. female competition). Ally discloses trans identity mid-discussion.
01:43:20
Self-ratings (physical attractiveness 1-10)
Panel rates themselves physically. Debate over how the 1-10 scale works. Ally: 10; Deborah: 8.8; Madison: 7; Billy Ray: 6.7; Sam: 5-6/10 (face ~7). Chase: not rated.
02:12:00
Leonardo DiCaprio age gap debate
Discussion of Leo DiCaprio exclusively dating women 18-25. Kiko critical of men over 40 dating women under 21 as a pattern. Chase and Sam offer counterarguments about male biological drives.
02:30:00
Women's dating advantages vs. men's struggles
Debate over whether women have 'easy mode' in dating. Billy Ray shares messages from 100K+ male followers unable to get dates; attributes to feminism eroding male confidence. Chase argues men must build their value.
03:15:00
Body count discussion and first-date disclosure
Panel body counts shared (Kiko: 12, Sam: 20-25, Chase: 7, Ally: private). Debate over whether asking body count on first date is appropriate. Billy Ray and Deborah decline to share publicly.
03:47:00
Marriage, divorce rates, and Christian vows
Chase and Brian debate the value of marriage given ~50% divorce rates. Chase argues public vows create honor/accountability. Brian skeptical of societal stigma against divorce remaining.
04:26:00
Viral clip replay: Kiko vs. Chase Round 1
Brian plays the viral clip from a prior episode where Chase said sleeping with a trans woman is gay and Kiko walked off. Panel reacts. Kiko clarifies she left for work (late), not purely emotional.
04:30:00
Trans rights, identity, and sexuality debate
Extended debate on whether sleeping with a trans woman is homosexual, trans identity as biological vs. chosen, gender-affirming care for minors, and trans representation. Ally (now known as trans) participates directly. Chase and Sam argue biological facts; Kiko and Ally argue against reducing trans people to biology.
04:51:00
Transgender ideology in schools and children
Debate over age-appropriateness of trans education in schools, puberty blockers (reversibility disputed), parental consent, and government overreach. Deborah argues parents must retain authority; Kiko argues teachers shouldn't be shamed for supportive responses.
Transcript
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01:55:32
Deboraha guy and be like he's so hot like just off the cup seeing off the cusp seeing him like across the room be like wow that guy is like a perfect 10 I think that's half that just people are very ugly these days because they don't take care of themselves but also I definitely
01:55:45
Deborahin somebody that like the more I am attracted to somebody's personality the hotter they look to me and someone who if I just looked at them and I was like oh they seven if I started talking to them and found out that they were like a really great man of God strong
01:55:57
Deborahpersonality very masculine I'd be like wow in my eyes he's a 10 and I feel like everyone should feel that way about their partner they may have the objective looks but when you get to know them their total person is a 10 base and that's what I was going to say to you
01:56:09
Samuelwhen you said like why would you want to date someone that's not physically a 10 and it's like well all things considered you have to look at their values and you have to look at everything else like ideally you're not going to date anyone below like an eight and you're going to
01:56:22
Samuelbe at that point like you're really attracted to someone who's an eight and then working on that you can be even more attracted to them based on how their personality is and how they how you compliment the combination that's what I let me let me ask you something
01:56:33
Samuelwhen you look at a guy and this is for anyone can answer when you look at a guy is like what makes him physically attractive kind of having a more feminine beautiful face to you or is it
01:56:45
Samuelhaving like more of a rugged like masculine look because I've seen girls s look at like Timothy shalam and and look at like these guys that look like they have like they have defined bone
01:56:56
Samuelstructure and they're aesthetic and they have the golden ratio but they just come off they just they have like a skinny neck they're ugly too perfect that they're ugly hold
01:57:07
Chaseon let's go one by one feel I feel like te like teenage girls like those like Timothy sham like type guys but once once they like grow older they like the like more mascul that's a good question
01:57:18
Brian Atlasthough Sam that's a good question right I I definitely agree with you that well I don't know if you actually made a you didn't make a determination on that but I like the question we can go around on that so do you prefer like a more kind
01:57:30
Deborahof like feminine but attractive looking guy or more like rug rugged masculine I'm from Manhattan so I'm definitely not going for The Lumberjacks but I also do like a little yee-haw in
01:57:43
Deborahthere like I like the look of a guy who takes care of himself but also is like a man like I I was on a date with somebody okay we were walking after dinner and we passed Sephora and he's like oh my God
01:57:54
DeborahI'm a Rouge the sale's going on yikes I'm like who the hell what guy is spending $1,000 at Sephora I'm not even a Rouge and I buy a lot of skin care and makeup I at that moment I was like if you take it it sucks for men cuz if you
01:58:08
Deborahguys don't take any care of yourselves it's like ew you're gross and if you take too good care of yourselves it's like oh he's gay so there's no balance and you guys just lose sorry good time so he didn't get a i back think the good balance is like my boyfriend doesn't
01:58:21
Kikoreally care but then if I'm like doing something he'd be willing for me to like let it they need go two steps in cartin not much more cleanser moisturizer boyfriend respond not yet I think he might be sleep so uh to go back to what
01:58:34
Chaseyou were saying about a guy and his physical attractiveness and stuff one of the things that I've like pretty much universally noticed about women is like they can see a guy who's very physically attractive but if his energy is off
01:58:46
Chaseinstantly becomes unattractive and on top of that as well I I've met a lot of women who will see a guy who like isn't very physically attractive he might be short might be a little bit out of out of shape but if his energy is super on point and he's like funny and confident
01:58:59
Deborahhe becomes like the hottest guy in the world to them would you tell me tell me if you guys agree with girls and guys if you agree or disagree with this there is I feel like room I honestly absolutely just forgot what I was going to say what
01:59:12
Chasewere you saying I was I was saying like a guy cannot be conventionally physically attractive but his if his energy is super on point he can become like the hottest guy in the world so I think this is a girl of's guide difference I think girls fall in love
01:59:24
Deborahwith potential in a way that guys don't I know a lot of girls who will stay in things like wow he has great potential like he may not have the exact looks but like I could get him to work out more and I know a lot of women who stay for the guys potential whereas I think guys
01:59:36
Deborahare a little bit more like clearcut about it like if she's right for me now great if she's not it's over it's not going to work so I do think women are probably more likely to stay with
01:59:45
Chasesomebody that they're like iffy about than guys but D sure okay let me let me let me specify the question question even further has there been a guy in your past where you were like he's not like physically super attractive but his
01:59:57
Deborahenergy was on point you found him very attractive yes absolutely he was short that was the problem he was 5'9 yeah would he still have a chance despite being 5'9 if his like his personality was extremely tall well he was also like
02:00:10
Deborahhe was a learned man of Valor and I think those are very rare to find these days and that is like a diamond what what does that mean a learned man of Valor can you explain that for the audience despite not being colle
02:00:22
Deboraheducated he was very well-rounded about just different culture different things history he would teach me a lot he would know a lot about things and he also had a lot of different interests rather than just like let's squat up on fortnite
02:00:33
Deborahhe's like reading uh theories and just teaching me a lot and he's like rugged not in the sense of like Lumberjack rugged but like down to Earth really in tune with just
02:00:45
Deborahlike the world but like in a Godly way not like a man of the world but he's a man of God who understands the world and I really appreciate people who just have similar outlooks to me on life
02:00:56
Chasetoo and you said you said he was 5'9 yeah on a good day on a good day all right so he's like he's like 5'8 would you would you did you date him would you date kind of a little bit kind of a little bit Yeah but he also wasn't
02:01:06
DeborahJewish so I there was If he if he was if he was Jewish would you date him yeah yeah is this the guy that red pilled you on the golden ratio no those were like that's just stuff that you learn when you're younger I feel like everyone well I went to private school so I don't know
02:01:19
Samuelwhat's happening in public school oh you went to private school school yeah cathol that's why all right that's why what Sam that's why she you know she has like literal ancient knowledge cuz you don't really
02:01:31
TTS/Donationsread these things in school you have to read these in philosophy donated $200 Deborah no long-term commitment but we can make an agreement you'll sign a
02:01:42
TTS/DonationsNDA grow your hair out a bit convert away from Judaism I'll coach you to speak a little less and fly you out private and you and my girlfriend can
02:01:53
Deborahcompete for my affections your response to Mar quavius Martin Deborah this is a really tempting offer I'm not going to lie like the NDA mixed in there that
02:02:01
TTS/Donationsreally just gets me going um unfortunately no oh Martin donated $200 Deborah some other issues you don't
02:02:13
TTS/Donationsever cuss at my boy Brian his very essence demands respect and not ladylike need to lose that Apple watch I put a Rolex on it if you behave yourself and
02:02:25
Deborahyou haven't gotten hotter with time ask the biologist thanks for your money we're going to take than um well Rollies will not I'm going to have a mint busted down
02:02:36
Deborahtwo tone Rolex one day but that doesn't tell me how many calories I burn during the day and that doesn't measure my Pilates classes for me so I'm rocking with the Apple watch these days but sorry Brian you need the internet people
02:02:47
Deborahto defend you I think Brian is a strong man he said don't cuss at you I think Brian is a strong man and he don't need no internet people defending him but to the person beforeand no I would never
02:03:00
Deborahconvert from Judaism I'm an extremely proud Jew today until the end of time and um in terms of competing for your girlfriend do I look like I would compete thank you perod does it change
02:03:10
Kikoanything if so you're not a 10 though let me just did you say that no but I mean you don't you won't compete usually I'm not a type of girl who competes for
02:03:18
Brian Atlasaffection true does it change anything that quavius Martin is a Mena member and
02:03:26
Brian Atlasso very high IQ and he owns like 40 Quiznos restaurants does that change does Quiznos is like the sandwich shops
02:03:37
Deborahdoes that add to the calculus of whether you would date him or not yeah I'm really going to no honestly no I'm one of those people that like the same way I was having a conversation at
02:03:49
Deborahdinner last night somebody was telling me he's an agent here one of his people he manages has made $28 million on only fans in her lifetime and we were talking about that and I was like I just don't feel there's any amount of money that
02:04:01
Deborahcan pull me away for my morals and my values and I think it's the same even if it's a 100 quiz nose even if it's a thousand quiz nose what if he owns a couple Taco Bells 10,000 I've never
02:04:11
Brian Atlasnevered Taco Bell okay all right I'm not a fast food girly and kosher yo for that time to revolt donated 100 I wonder if all of the people watching on YouTube started
02:04:23
Brian Atlaswatching on Rumble would the guests be allowed to speak freely these hot button issues affect all facets of life shut up guys shut the [ __ ] up Brian coming down
02:04:32
Brian Atlason his guest on the behalf of YouTube is gross to watch hey it is what it is uh a lot of these social media companies are super woke uh we kind of look you know
02:04:42
Chasewe got to play we got to play by their rules is what it is um it is an interesting question though hypothetically if you could bring all of your guests from YouTube to rumble would you just let it rip more oh yeah I mean
02:04:55
Brian AtlasRumble would on Rumble you can say anything and I've I've actually I'm actually know the owners of Rumble I've known them for like 10 plus years dude after after the success of the podcast you should hit
02:05:08
Brian Atlasthem up and be like yo like we're one of the top podcasts on YouTube Let's Make a Deal there's some negotiations there's already some negotiations going on with Rumble so I don't want to even 40 quiz I typically don't speak about yeah I speak
02:05:20
Deborahabout that direct I'm I'm speaking with Rumble so that's cool tell your followers they should direct their energy not towards Brian it's not his fault that he has to censor himself that he doesn't lose his business directed to the government to repeal section 230 which allows social
02:05:33
Deborahmedia companies to violate our first amendment thank you very much let's go so Bas absolutely yeah it's but free Brian
02:05:43
Brian AtlasFree my Bri free Bri on on on brixon love your show but please move to rumble also read your
02:05:53
TTS/Donationsaudience case brings the topics people are craving to hear those that cause pmic and insight debate do not scold Him Praise Him for boosting engagement in
02:06:04
Brian Atlasyour channel # Chris Lord uh Eve thank you for the $200 Super Chat uh Chase is a homie um Sam's Sam's a homie I just
02:06:14
Brian Atlaslike we we because we're on YouTube got to be got to be careful um it's my primary source of income it's my business so I just have to tread
02:06:26
Brian Atlascarefully um but like Deborah was saying like I think these platforms are doing a disservice to uh public discussions on these Topics by being so uh censorious
02:06:38
Chaseso yeah and Eve I don't take offense to him scolding me I mean he's he's walking a tight line with uh these discussions and YouTube is very uh they're very
02:06:49
Chasethey're very piy yeah and sens in particular I don't I don't hold it against him I think he's a smart man to do what he has to do did they did they with Matt Walsh did they demonetize his
02:07:00
Deborahvideos from advertising or like super chat YouTube channel demonetized he's moving to Twitter to BR any income even through Super Chat mov to Twitter F wow
02:07:10
Brian Atlashe's losing like five figures of AD Revenue I think that's crazy I don't get how stop figes is it six figures oh did it I thought he was really I mean he's got a very popular YouTube
02:07:23
Chasechannel so I wouldn't be surprised if that's his YouTube based ad Revenue but it's yeah it's a lot of money dude if this continues I feel like it's eventually going to catalyze a mass Exodus away from this platform they've tried people have tried making Alternatives but I think it's hard
02:07:36
Deborahbecause YouTube isn't just like some bun platform we literally spoke about this YouTube has been on our iPhone since the first iPhone came out and these companies that got in when there wasn't any other social media they have such choke holds and monopolies on the
02:07:49
Deborahindustry that there's no room for anybody to come out there just going to get squashed right away and like if half the people leave then the majority are still in these apps and then we're just all divided and everyone's views goes
02:07:58
Brian Atlasdown yeah Rumble I mean Rumble is doing doing well um they uh they've been able to attract some decent personalities over to their platform and I think they are starting
02:08:11
Brian Atlasto compete to some degree with YouTube but I mean like if you I mean you really no one's really competing with YouTube in the sense of like I mean you have twitch which is actually
02:08:23
Brian Atlasmore censorious than YouTube twitch is way has way stricter yeah twitch is way stricter than YouTube when it comes to a lot of these topics and and uh you can't
02:08:36
Brian Atlaseven like certain words that are like the most tame words you can't even say if you're streaming on Twitch and and the the crazy thing with twitch is they'll straight out straight up ban
02:08:46
Brian Atlasyour channel for you you'll get like a three-day 7-Day ban on Twitch and your Channel's not you can't even see the channnel whereas on Youtube it'll just be like you'll be demonetized for a period of time or you can't upload for a
02:08:58
Brian Atlasperiod of time but your content is still there your Channel's still there but on Twitch it's like you're erased from the platform entirely for like 3 days seven days a month so like Tik Tok twitch oh
02:09:09
KikoTik tok's also terrible when it comes to censorship but it's like they'll censor the most crazy things that I'm scrolling on Tik Tok and I'll have this girl Who's acting like she's getting hit from behind on my on live like it it's
02:09:22
Kikoliterally insane I got her on my live my for you page too reading a book children like there'll be ladies reading a book and they'll be like halfway off the screen and they'll like bounce back and forth to make it they try to make it
02:09:33
Kikolook like they're being or like ladies working out in the gym but like barely wearing anything just bending over the whole time and like that's all allowed but you can't even just say your opinion I've seen like birth on Tik Tok yeah lit
02:09:46
Samuelwhat yeah bro what is happen I saw it like last week because like they they're allowed to say it's Medical like all those Fine Lines know if Tik Tok is going away cuz isn't there aren't there
02:09:56
Deborahrumors that it's going away SC tactics you know what else was happening at the time a lot of bad things like it's always a distraction when these things come Tik Tok was like the least important thing on that yeah last time T
02:10:08
Brian Atlasto was supposed to be banned Hillary Clinton was on trial for her email so there's like a lot of things that happened we know how that went right it didn't all right uh I'm not sure how to pronounce this
02:10:18
Brian Atlasfias Sweden is this Swedish croner I don't know thank you for the 2500 Swedish uh currency I believe uh this is a good discussion hey thank you man appreciate it okay uh let's get into our
02:10:30
Brian Atlasuh topic for tonight so uh actually really quick pull up twitch let me just shout out the twitch people and we're going to get into our uh one of our first topics here two hours into the podcast um all right guys go to
02:10:43
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02:10:54
Brian AtlasAmelia thank for the Prime oh I already poo Canon I think I already did some of these skunky than for the prime uh BG thank for the Prime pris thank for the prime adult human female thank you for
02:11:07
Brian Atlasthe prime and thank you all for the follows too heroism thank you for the follow Deadpool thank you for the follow appreciate it apprciate it guys okay so first
02:11:18
Chasetopic oh wait let me just do this so pleasantly surprised to hear section 230 to come up on this stream I literally stopped watching on YouTube and started watching on Rumble right
02:11:29
Brian Atlasbefore I sent my message let's see who else can do the same the ladies in the corner need to speak more yeah do you guys want to Honestly though speak about section 233 sorry I'm okay what what you guys
02:11:42
Brian Atlassaid what needed to be said what what do you guys think about like um the uh French Revolution any thoughts on that Vol no F call the hardest men to free are the ones I'm
02:11:54
Brian Atlashonestly not super informed about that so yeah don't worry respect for the humility okay um Eric can you pull up the Leonardo
02:12:04
Brian AtlasDiCaprio infographic oh we went on n's podcast about this here we go okay so Leonardo DiCaprio I believe he's what
02:12:12
Brian Atlas45 uh he consistently dates women between the ages of 18 to 25 he's uh not dated a woman I suppose as far as maybe
02:12:23
Brian Atlashe has just his long-term girlfriends anyways that's older than 25 he likes young beautiful attractive women and he he's gotone some flak for this
02:12:34
Brian Atlasuh so and and and you know what's interesting though there there does we don't know the details of the breakups um we don't know if the women are
02:12:45
Brian Atlasbreaking up with him we don't know what's going on maybe there's people making some assumptions here that he's dumping them at 25 maybe the women are just realizing that he doesn't want children he doesn't want to get married and they want to
02:12:58
Chasepursue someone to have ch to have a family with so you know what it could also be it might become like a self-fulfilling prophecy where like once the girls start getting close to 25 they're like oh [ __ ] I know that he always breaks up with girls at 25 I got to
02:13:10
Brian Atlasdip could be could be break up with him before he breaks up with you yeah yeah defense tactic it could be so uh what's
02:13:19
Brian Atlasyour reaction to that Kiko he's 45 dating women who are in their early 20s I know what Kiko thinks about this Kiko
02:13:29
Kikoor you know yeah we yeah go ahead um I feel the times when men are older than 40 and are in a relationship with
02:13:42
Kikosomebody underneath the age of 21 and it's a one or two off time so be it they met but a man of over the age of 40 who chooses to exclusively we date 18 or 19y olds I find that a bit weird it feels
02:13:54
Kikolike they want a power Dynamic feels like they can't find a woman over that age cuz it's like what oh cuz the evidence that you guys say to me that why an 18-year-old is so much better to
02:14:05
Brian Atlasdate than a 25-year-old is just it lacks it lacks luster for me every single time so if you want to go through the details again well before sure before we give our rebuttal I want
02:14:16
Brian Atlasto let everybody answer so your thoughts um
02:14:25
Ally (Gorlock)[ __ ] weird turns into American Idol everybody don't know just like a guy who like like especially if he's older and he like
02:14:34
Ally (Gorlock)seeks out younger girls like that younger girls sorry your um I don't know what happened to your gloves by the way I missed those I took them off my
02:14:44
Ally (Gorlock)[ __ ] no CD kicked in love loves I'm here for them too but like it's too much yeah got it I served a look for a while I think I gave all I gave and it's still serving okay sure that's just weird
02:14:57
Ally (Gorlock)that's just weird to me like a guy who purposely sees that younger girls it's like why is it weird um into the mic I I don't feel comfortable talking about that that's fine that's fine we'll
02:15:09
Alimove on go ahead um I think it's weird when it's that big of a age difference especially when if they've like just turned 18 19 I feel like it's a little
02:15:20
Brian Atlasstrange but but I mean he's rich and famous so if you if you weren't dating a guy right now would you date Leonardo DiCaprio no stop stop the C stop I would
02:15:31
Kikowould you so I don't think you guys realize the opportunity a lot of women have to date or be with like celebrities I'm not saying to but like he's not attractive
02:15:44
Kikoto me in the slightest like I not even for the money could I do that like I I value myself in my life I would shoot my brains out probably a year in so why even do it one of five plus guns I feel
02:15:55
Chaselike I feel like so many women say that but the reality is if they value my happiness they saw him in person and he was like hey how you doing you'd be like hi that's true you know I feel like you would just be Star Struck I don't think
02:16:08
Chaseyou would immediately want to Star Struck I would not dat though did you guys ever see that clip when Jeff Bezos and his girlfriendwife ran into L DiCaprio and and he's like standing on the stair and she's looking up at him
02:16:20
Chaselike yeah I would like that's that's what would happen to 99.9 hold on hold on that's what would happen to 99.9% of women if they just happened to run into Leonardo DiCaprio you'd be Star Struck and if he was like
02:16:33
Chaseif he was like Hey so like you know what's your name what are you doing later you want to go grab a drink like you're telling me You' be like no I'm not interested and Well on top of that on top of what Chase just said no chance
02:16:45
Brian Atlasthere's going to be a whole Entourage surrounding him and you're going to see men going up to him wanting to get attention women wanting his attention you're going to see this social component of the fame and you're going
02:16:56
Brian Atlasto find that like you don't even have to intellectualize that there's something like women will see that and be like that's the [ __ ] man
02:17:06
Chaseyep I would bet I would bet in a situation in a situation he's describing I'd bet ,000 every
02:17:15
Kikosingle girl at this table would if he asked them out just you would do that he's so ugly to me like he's literally hideous like money can't do that goody
02:17:27
Kikohe's not to me at all he looks like a [ __ ] like the Lord of the Rings to me like yeah he's not cute his head his head is a B blocking bold he's full of wrinkles he's hideous in my opinion
02:17:39
Kikohonestly he's even when he was younger maybe when he was like in his like teens when he first started he was like a little in the Titanic so physical appearance matters quite a lot yeah so
02:17:50
Chasephysical he could be the he could be a literal aist movie star hey hey hey everybody in the chat everybody in the chat let us know if you think that they're capping do do you guys think that they're telling the truth
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Brian Atlasor bring Leona right now and Billy Billy and I went on Michael n's podcast about this exact topic and we both said that we would not date him I have a great reason stop the cap wait hold on really quick I just got check Eric can you uh
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Brian Atlaspull scroll back up is your reason based principal yo hold on hold on when you get to me I'll explain it I beat my Wi-Fi thank you for the 10 uh gifted memberships that's a great
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Brian Atlasname by the way I beat my Wi-Fi thank you man appreciate it you think that's a great name it's a it's a is that aunny it's funny I beat my look
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Chaselook at those caps look at the Caps look at the Caps oh there's a top spaming cap let's see more Top Hat Ray Yaris Beth believes them everybody else says that
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Brian Atlasthey're capping um they say [ __ ] one of the most critical acclaimed actors of Our Generation uh and he's an he's a
02:18:55
Chasevery talented actor too dude like it's just every metric Every Woman responds to status and Power in a man and no matter how principled a woman can say that doesn't mean that she's necessarily
02:19:07
Chasegoing to date him but there's something in every woman when they meet like a a powerful man with high status who is admired who's like a charismatic guy like women respond to that are I I saw you shaking your head you're saying no
02:19:19
Billy Rayno so I I'll give the exact answer I gave on the Michael nll show I understand why he goes for younger women he he has he can he can he can he he can
02:19:30
Billy Rayattract a lot of women um and I also see why he wants that type of women because they're pure and if he's able to attract you know a new pure woman every 5 years then why not that's what men are
02:19:42
Billy Rayattracted to I would not date him because well let me go back to that since he keeps going through these girls he's never going going to have the traditional family he's never going to
02:19:53
Billy Rayhave the nuclear family and I think you find true fulfillment in the nuclear family and I think you're you're here to create a family and he's not going to find fulfillment and I will not date
02:20:05
Chasesomebody that's not looking for that so so that's that's fair you're a principled woman who has something that you're specifically looking for and he doesn't want that and so it's like it's
02:20:15
Chasea no for you but what I was saying and what I'm asking if you're disputing is the idea that you wouldn't at least be somewhat like there wouldn't be a part of you that would be interested like wow
02:20:27
Chasethis extremely high status guy who the entire world admires is taking an interest in me like that wouldn't excite you at all I've had a high status guys reach out to me multiple time check any
02:20:37
Deborahof our exactly any of our GMS we haven't open to us on every single day it's not as hard as you guys think but already have opportunity I got NBA players NFL players movie stars UFC players
02:20:52
Chasewho who at Leonardo Dio's level has like hit you up though I had a great conversation with Andrew Tate yeah did you mhm nice yeah but see like like a principled woman isn't going to be like attracted to Andrew Tate unless like
02:21:05
Chaseshe's into like the I know any woman who'd be attracted to Andrew Andre Tate slid into I know and Shout Out Samir Khan we're trying to set her up as one of Tate's wives I don't want to get beat
02:21:14
Brian Atlasin my one my my hold on that's slander Andrew Andrew T beat you he seems like the type of guy to beat the [ __ ] out of his way are Are You Bing are you basing
02:21:25
Deborahthat on so you kidding me you heard you Bing on his like videos with his ex who wanted him to like no on his demeanor as a guy and the way he thinks about women and the way that he sees them the difference between a godly man and a man who sees the value in a woman in his
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Deborahlife is that like you said he wants to be a man worthy of submission what has Andrew Tate done to be worthy of submission he doesn't give off this sense of like I'm a strong leader both for myself my community I'm a strong leader in religion like there's just a
02:21:50
Deborahlot of qualities that give off a strong man who's like a good man being a strong man isn't equal with a good man and I just have never seen like any side of him that made me think that he wouldn't beat his wife he seems like a pretty
02:22:02
Chasestrong man to me he's yeah so so all right I don't agree with like a lot of the stuff that Andrew Tate has said and done in his life however I will absolutely dispute the idea sorry Chase
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TTS/Donationsa man the best chance of carrying on a legacy the desired woman should be as fertile and healthy as possible I youthful marus thank man for the single time so I want to finish my point iish
02:22:36
Chasemy point although I disagree with a lot of the things he said and done in his life like part of the reason why he does attract a lot of women is because he is a strong leader and he is very protective doesn't mean he's like a good
02:22:47
Chaseleader in terms of religion or like religious moral vales and stuff but like guarantee his girlfriends know okay if this guy loves me he's going to protect me and he's like I'm going to be safe with him I think it depends what women
02:22:59
Deborahwant because something like I've made it very clear I would never settle for anyone less than like a manly masculine man but I also appreciate the soft side of men where like they're hard to everybody else it's kind of like the guy who's bad to like a bad guy to everybody
02:23:11
Deborahelse but they're very sweet and soft for you I definitely appreciate that side of men and I don't see that reflected in him like I couldn't imagine if you're like crying just person personality wise not really based off but you're also basing that off of what he portrays on
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Deborahsocial mediaa is all we Bas off all base it off of if I met him maybe I'd have a different take I don't know if he's still in prison right now or not but got if I ever make it to Romania I'll hit him up but like and it's not act like
02:23:37
Kikoit's we just see him doing a little bit of videos here and there we've seen hour long of him talking about his points of views and how he is as a person so we kind of do get to see even if it is a facade or not if that's a facade that he wants to take on I don't want to be any
02:23:49
Deborahpart of that I want to make it very clear I don't disagree with everything he says I don't I'm not one of those people that's just like an Andrew Tate hater okay so let's bring it back to leardo DiCaprio
02:24:02
Brian Atlasum what was the original question so while we were reacting to the this infographic of basically he doesn't date older women or women his age and I was we were going around getting everyone's
02:24:13
Brian Atlasreaction to that I don't know if you got to kind of give your take on it what was the question again uh just basically hey here's Le DiCaprio he's 45 or something
02:24:23
Madisonhe's dating women in their early 20s basically Love Is Love I'm not judging but but you wouldn't date him I wouldn't date him okay I wouldn't date even if
02:24:34
Madisonyou were single even if I was single I don't leard steps to you is like I'm 18 he's what 45 I know he goes for girls my age last girlfriend was 19 you're right there but I don't go for guys that are
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Madison45 so rip sorry sorry rip is in the chat for lard to DiCaprio so all right yeah like again like no judge judement like I is it right I don't think it's
02:24:53
Brian Atlascompletely right but why is that cuz that's like dating my father my father is 47 well no but that would be incest you're not related to Leonardo DiCaprio
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Madisonunless the age group you know what I mean like in the same age group what's the oldest you would date probably uh like 22 23 what the old is everyone here I'm very serious about a
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Deborahgood question no matter of fact where's everyone from 30 to 35 30 probably and you're 23 yeah yeah wait you had an issue with that the last time we were on
02:25:28
Chasethe show I'm I'm 23 years old I'm not 18 I know but you you were saying guys in their like 30s to mid-30s had who had interest in 18 to like 25y old girls I never said that
02:25:41
Kikoyeah it was like 23 25 that was your AG I never said that I said I said 30 plus year old men who consistently only date 18 and 19y olds my whole point is always it was early it was early 20s as
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Kikowell my point has always been under 21 I've had this belief for a very long time and when you tell me that I misspoke what you said I agree with you so I'm telling you right now maybe if
02:26:02
Kikothere were 60 yeah I said it's weird if she's 23 but 30 plus it was spec yeah it was specifically 30 18 to early I would never I would never say a 5year age Gap is weird so don't put words in my
02:26:15
Deborah[ __ ] mouth I'm not we I mean we could pull up the footage we could pull it up I just got a beautiful chat thank you so much he said one day I'm sure you're G to find your Basher which is in judism
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Deborahlike your soulmate and kod good job am Long Live Israel and then it's like blesses to God yeah okay God bless I speak Hebrew
02:26:35
Brian Atlascars in depth think for the $100 Super Chat it is a great mitzvah for you to uh donate that to us so I got I got an interesting question to to kind of reframe things reframe things for the
02:26:48
Chaseladies okay we know we know your guys answers for you two I know that you're committed to your boyfriend you probably love him a lot imagine that you were single imagine Leonardo DiCaprio had
02:27:00
Chasethis like uh conversion and he was like you know I'm going to be a Christian or I'm going to be Jewish and then he comes upon you guys and he's like hey like I don't want to keep dating around anymore I want to get married and have a family would you guys be open to it with a guy like Leonardo
02:27:11
DeborahDiCaprio no well personally I think he's also been with too many women for me and publicly like that's just something I'm not a fan of but but he's also just not my typee like I've had opportunities to
02:27:23
Deborahdate successful guys if I wanted to but I want somebody on my level in a sense like who makes me be better but also my oldest like I have a hard time talking to a guy that's 30 or older it just feels too old for me I want also I think
02:27:36
Deborahthere's a generational difference nowadays it's not just age there's like we have iPhones we grew up with iPhones they didn't have Internet it's a lot different they don't get it so if he got it a little older like a 30-year-old but
02:27:47
Brian AtlasI'd cap at like 29 for me Max 20 9 for you and you're you're 23 23 okay all right my grandparents are only 10 years apart really quick on sort of related to
02:27:58
Brian Atlasthis you mentioned that well we get a lot of we have gotten a lot of attention from people who are notable or famous you mentioned blue check marks and your DMs and you gave a laundry list of
02:28:09
Brian Atlasdifferent uh professions that these men are in uh so you how many blue check marks have you had in your DMs pull it pull the mic closer to you please thousand pull mic I'm going to
02:28:20
Deborahsay thousands thousands of blue check I've had my Instagram for few years now but I think this is girls what you don't get it is it's not just me it's a girl could have 2,000 followers and Andrew Tate's sliding in her DMs I know girls
02:28:32
Brian Atlaslike that because guys think that they I mean they go for it they shoot their shot I can't blame them good for you shoot your shot you never know well I I I want to stay on the Leonardo DiCaprio topic for a little bit here but I do
02:28:43
Kikowant to say women have dating on easy mode changed my mind okay um completely agree with do you say women have dating on easy mode I would disagree compared
02:28:54
Kikoto men I see I see your hot women I see your point but it's like even average women have dating on easy mode yeah you go your struggle you're saying is you struggle maybe to get a first date me
02:29:07
Kikoit's like I we scared we're scared for our lives sometimes so it's like a very difference of things when it's like dating on easy mode like like it's maybe if you're an ugly man sure my boyfriend
02:29:19
Brian Atlasdefinitely has has never had a problem dating cuz he's an attractive man if you're an ugly girl it's going to be hard for you too but here's the difference average women have an easier Time dating than average men and whose fault is that it's
02:29:32
Deborahyour as's fault for sleeping with anything that has two legs not the men in general men in general no that's not how it works that's really not how it works can we address the chat for one second they're all coming after me saying 30-y olds didn't have iPhones I
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Deborahwas 9 years old when the first iPhone came out we didn't have Instagram till I was 12 years old and I'm only 22 right now I don't know why I said 23 I'm 22 sorry my birthday is May 13th I'm literally 22 right now I was born in
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Deborah2000 but yeah all the people that are saying you're 27 you didn't have it like so being raised like I had a Motorola flip phone for my first phone like people who grew up with Instagram photoshops all these celebrities in
02:30:08
Deborahyour- face Tik Tok all this pressure to be on social media get some know like I've been on social media since fifth grade some was social Med since being raised with social media is a very different mindset and world view than
02:30:20
Brian Atlaspeople who grew up the good oldfashioned way hanging out in the park seeing your friends meeting up with them it's different mindsets I think okay here let me frame the question like this agree or disagree do women have dating on easy
02:30:30
Samuelmode Kiko yes or no compared to men what is dating on easy mode even mean like I don't I I really don't I really don't get that it means that you get to select so this is
02:30:43
Samuelsomething that's like inherent to just women in dating is that they're kind of all players and not like consciously but because they just have so many options right like there's this guy in your DMs and that guy met you yesterday and
02:30:56
Samuelthere's this guy in the grocery store and so you have options whereas men we have to go out and create those options for ourselves they don't just slide into our they don't just show up into our lives to complain about that just sounds like very it's not complaining it's just acknowledging a reality of the world
02:31:09
Chasewhat Sam is getting at and by the way I disagree with the idea that all women are like kind of players but I understand what you're getting at the the reality that he's getting at is that women are born with their value and Men
02:31:20
Chasehave to build their value right if I'm if I'm some loser and I just sit at home and I'm eating like potato chips all day and I don't spend my time trying to build my value as a man build my confidence all these kind of things I'm
02:31:31
Chasenot going to have as much success with women as I would otherwise but an average woman who isn't working on her own personal excellence and who still has a decent level of attractiveness even if she's just just average there's
02:31:43
Chasegoing to be tons of dudes that want to sleep with her and a average guys do not have tons of women that want to sleep they probably do they're just trying to seek out women who are above their grade can I let me tell you conclusive I
02:31:56
ChaseI know men who are ugly as hell getting laid every because they have conf because they have Tinder they have they they have they have Tinder but they also have game and they have confidence okay
02:32:08
ChaseI mean game matters RZ it does the average guy does not have tons of women who want to sleep with him the average guy would be lucky to have one or two who want to sleep with him okay I see
02:32:20
Chaseyour point but it's like the average the point that I've made in previous podcasts the average guy can go on Tinder and get zero swipes okay the average woman can go on Tinder and get laid two night Keo just think get laid
02:32:33
Kikoare we talking about dating or getting laid it's because guys are lazy easy easy easy a lot more men are easier to will sleep men are more willing to sleep with with people who are not on their level than women that's your own
02:32:46
Chasepersonal problem don't sleep with people who are below you and you are proving my point Point you're proving my point men will sleep with a lot of different women okay it's not it's not a personal problem it's just the reality of Life
02:32:59
Chasewomen will not sleep with average guys men will sleep with average women is the point and men have to build their value it doesn't just come naturally to them like it does for women maybe it depends on area you wanted to come in it's just
02:33:09
Chasea universal law of nature would you dat would you go for an average woman though no so would you go for an average woman you guys had a lot of what do you mean what do you mean I'm not I'm not an
02:33:21
Chaseaverage man I work much harder than the average dudes in my age group I have for a long time like I'm selective with who I date I'm extremely selective I always have been but just because I wouldn't doesn't mean that a ton of other guys
02:33:34
Kikowouldn't you know what I mean I know a lot of guys who are very average and they don't have any problem finding woman to sleep with or date or anything it's just knowing who's on your level but is finding someone to sleep with
02:33:44
Billy Rayreally fulfilling we're talking yeah I have across platforms probably over 100,000 followers that are all single men that's why they follow me for dating
02:33:55
Billy Rayadvice and I get thousands of messages every day from attractive guys that cannot get a date and the messages are
02:34:05
Billy Ray[ __ ] sad like it is girls are not aware of the crisis out there that men are facing in the dating world you I don't think you guys can I I I don't think you can speak on it cuz you don't
02:34:18
Billy Rayknow about it you don't see them it it it's it's way bigger than you could ever imagine you you have no idea how sad it is it's it may like I cry
02:34:29
Chaseabout it when I read the messages so let me ask you a question you mentioned that you have a lot of attractive guys who cannot get a date why why would you say that is um I
02:34:41
Chasethink this is um you can just be honest this is an important conversation that a lot of people can learn from I think the feminism movement
02:34:50
Billy Rayhas completely beat down men okay expand on that I think they are scared to speak to women um because
02:35:01
Billy Rayof the me too stuff or that's a part of it but I don't think I don't think it's a big part of it um I think their confidence
02:35:10
Billy Rayis absolutely destroyed in the dating World um women feel like they I feel like the feminism movement has kind of made women not just feel equal to men
02:35:22
Chasebut actually Superior to men and I feel like that's the way they they treat a lot of men do you feel like the feminism movement has convinced a lot of women to not appreciate men for what they bring
02:35:33
Chaseto the table masculinity is dead because feminism causes women to become masculine and to embody the traits that they would otherwise look for in a partner would you say that's accurate
02:35:45
Chaseyeah and that's hard for a man to even be attracted to right no man wants a masculine woman right and men men you know we have a dream inside of our hearts if you're a masculine man who's red-blooded we have a dream inside of
02:35:57
Chaseour hearts to care for a woman and protect her and provide for her and build a family with her and a lot of women who are like deep into feminism they're like I don't need a man to do those things for me do you feel like do you feel like that is demoralizing a lot
02:36:10
Billy Rayof men who are looking for absolutely it's not giving them purpose when a man cannot provide for his F Well men can but yeah no when a man is not appreciated for providing for his family
02:36:21
Chaseum that completely invalidates him in a way and so do you feel like that is causing a lot of men to feel hopeless in the dating Marketplace yeah and I also
02:36:31
Billy Raythink a lot of men um I I think porn plays a huge part in this based um I think that a lot of men are just addicted and they're I think
02:36:41
Billy Raythey're addicted I think they're in their homes now more and they don't they don't have the social skills to speak to women and I think you know like we said game is attractive to us like a lot of
02:36:52
Billy Raymen don't even know how to approach women um I think it's a combination of things and I also think that the whole porn industry is um driven by a lot of
02:37:02
Billy Raywomen that are feel empowered with sex and um that's a whole other topic if I may ask her another
02:37:12
Chasequestion I assume you've had successes in helping men get better with women and find girlfriends wives so on and so forth what would you say has been the most effective thing in your coaching of
02:37:22
Billy Raythese men to help them cross that threshold it's honestly the conversation skills once a guy once a guy can land the first date
02:37:34
Billy Rayusually he's capable of taking a little bit further it's honestly just getting the first date I actually I've helped people a lot with dating profiles their dating profiles are trash um once a man one of my really good friends is
02:37:46
Billy Rayactually a dating a photographer very lucrative business um wow the good to know yeah it's honestly he does amazing work terrible um but once once he completely revamps their profiles
02:37:59
Billy Raybecause women are women look at a profile for significant first photo yeah like that's it and they're done they they're automatically they'll find the smallest ick um so what what what has made the
02:38:11
Billy Raymost successful dating profiles for men what do those profiles look like uh honestly less of the I'm trying to think of what um his name
02:38:21
Billy Rayis Justin harder for anybody wondering his work's insane um Jay harder photo I'll give him one last shout out but basically putting your it's making the
02:38:33
Billy Rayman look more successful um that's what's leading to like showcasing his life yeah but not a False Image he'll never project them in like a false light they'll never be on a private jet if they can't afford a
02:38:44
Billy Rayprivate jet like it's not it's not like painting a false reality um but kind of like you're not having the the club photos where you're drunk with your six friends and um I think the gym selfies
02:38:56
Billy Raylike getting rid of those and replacing them with maybe like Fitness photos like overall Fitness photos um I think a lot of guys make dating profiles and they they think they they select photos that
02:39:08
Kikothey think the boys would like um they make their profiles for the boys that's something I always say go on I remember when I was on dating apps it was like most of the guys their all their pictures there was like six of them in the photo like I can barely even tell
02:39:20
Kikowhat the dude would look like cuz it was either a group photo every single time or like an obscured super far away Sunset and they're just back and it's like yeah I mean like duh like why would we want to swipe on that I don't even
02:39:33
Brian Atlasknow what you look like so somebody you know what's funny about that though the whole you know what's funny about that the whole looks thing is you can actually you often hear people say men are so superficial men care so much
02:39:44
Brian Atlasabout looks however it happen it seems to be the case that women care a great deal about looks and physical appearance as is proven by what's going on on dating apps I'm superficial as [ __ ] well
02:39:57
Billy Raythat's it first I want to be attracted to you somebody said fake profiles get you dates not relationships it's not a fake profile good photos get you dates and a lot of men have the conversation SK skills to get a relationship but they
02:40:09
Billy Rayjust can't get the dates so once they get the dates they're good and they also they can develop their conversation skills on those dates they just need the t wait so you think once a guy gets a
02:40:18
Brian Atlasdate it's not an automatic relationship but I think a lot of men it's a step it's a step yeah I think you towards what that that girl eventually becoming
02:40:30
Brian Atlasa girlfriend because I I would say in today's day and age I would say most First Dates don't lead anywhere well not just like that
02:40:40
Samuelsingle first date once you have more options you absolutely learn from them I think it goes back to what we were talking about earlier which is that a man's person or a man's personality
02:40:51
Samuelreally adds to his attractiveness for women so when they're on the apps and only the apps they don't really get to feel his energy and that's always been my issue with like using the apps is like I I have high energy I have the
02:41:03
Samuellike I'm not going to talk about myself too much you got the sauce Sam yeah like when a guy has the sauce like he women can't really feel that and you can't even really feel that over text because
02:41:15
Samuelyou can't hear the tonality of his voice you can't look into his eyes and so my advice to any guys that are struggling on the apps would to be grow some balls and go and talk go and look confused in Trader Joe's because that's where you're
02:41:27
Samuelgoing to find that's where you're actually going to find a girl that's worth dating because if you leave it up to the apps all they can look at is your shitty photos that your friends took of you from 2016 thank you for br that upes
02:41:40
Brian Atlasgo to Home Depot those memes I'm like is where you find a father I'm like I'm looking for screws I ask you question hold on hold on Kiko
02:41:52
Brian AtlasI wanted to let you guys come in a little bit here your take what's the okay the question is they don't want to speak do women have dating on easy mode as compared to men agree or
02:42:06
Alidisagree um I feel like I don't have enough experience to respond to this but here let let me ask let me ask a clarifying question who has an easier time getting laid men or
02:42:18
Brian Atlaswomen [Music] um that should be would hold on go ahead I would say woman okay you would say
02:42:29
Brian Atlaswomen um who has a who has an easier time getting a date men or
02:42:39
Brian Atlaswomen I um if you want go ahead I honestly don't know I mean on you don't you don't have
02:42:49
Brian Atlaslike a a sense I mean you have girlfriends you have guy friends do you guys talk about that she
02:42:59
Madisonokay what about you I would say woman definitely have it easier okay are we just going saying our answers oror you like to I'll elaborate a little
02:43:11
Kikobit about no what's up I was just saying cuz she was like asking I was saying he just wants you guys to talk cuz you're not talking so just say something so we well no I want to try to bring them into
02:43:22
Madisonthe conversation like we made the point earlier women have the choice to whoever men they want obviously they have a lot of options but I the but I think like
02:43:33
Madisonlike we said like we rated ourselves tend like women are overly confident so if a guy will walk up to you when you're out you're going to be like ew no so that like that makes them feel insecure
02:43:45
Madisonin a way which is why it's harder for them to be able to talk to women and try to get more women at the bar I see very successful encounters so I don't know
02:43:57
Kikomaybe it's just because everyone's drunk there but when I am bartending and I'll often times see men approach women majority of the time they either chat for a little bit end up dancing together whatever I rarely ever see a man
02:44:09
Kikoapproach a woman at my bar at least where I work and them just be like straight fist unless they were like drunk as hell all over them being a weirdo then of course but usually they give them a chance thing about that example Kiko is the type of dudes that
02:44:21
Chaseare going to bars are gregarious outgoing guys who like have confidence in their game and they know that there's attractive girls out there and they want to go talk to them that is not representative of the average male
02:44:33
Kikopopulation okay but like how Sam said get out of there and go when men approach wom in a nice way and not creepy majority of the time it's not me with it's not met with just uh get away from me online maybe because I'm not
02:44:45
Kikogoing to respond to a random man who just DMS me if I don't know who they are cuz honestly it's scary I don't know who I can meet out there and be a weirdo and chop me up into million pieces but you know sometimes you could read it better in person so I feel like for men a lot of encounters come better that's why I
02:44:59
Kikowas going to ask her have you just started this after the pandemic like have we seen a shift since the pandemic where people are inside trying to do this versus when men were out and
02:45:08
Kikoapproaching women and it wasn't as taboo for those things I I I see them having fairly easy time especially in IV it could be the ugliest man walking up to
02:45:19
Kikoan average woman and they'll go home together men and I have no problem getting laid I watch the ugliest men get laid every single night because you are
02:45:31
Chaseseeing a specific subset of men confidence it's not just the area this is this is across the board a very small amount of men are just getting women
02:45:42
Chaseeasily the for the vast Ma you you shake your head I talk to a lot of men Kiko a lot of men and they all come to me because they're like bro it seems like you have confidence in understanding how women work help me because I'm
02:45:54
Chasestruggling with these women a lot of dudes are not successful with women the majority of guys are not successful with women it is difficult for men to attract and keep women if they are average men
02:46:05
Chaseit is not an easy thing say below average no no it's not it's not this is exactly why marriage rates are declining and and it's it's also why she has 800,000 followers across her platforms of attractive you said it's
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Kikobelow average men she has ATT attractive dudes that are struggling to get Sol I would say any man who's going to her for that probably has some more deep rooted issues no the reason why they're to do
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Chasethe problem is that you are judging you are judging all men based on the small subset of men that you see I'm I don't think you you're judging off the the small no I I I I know a shitload of guys
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Chaseso do okay a shitload of guys let's pull up some studies too by the way yeah the the majority of these guys I mean all you have to do is look at that thing that Brian brings up how everyone's how
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Brian Atlasdo H exist the female delusion [ __ ] everybody please listen ke let them finish please listen please cut me off a lot of times Ryan if you don't if you have you're you're the master of cutting off just let him finish and then you can
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Brian Atlasgo well you you look shocked but just by the way you can keep a poker face while people are talking you don't need to do like a whole you don't need
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Brian Atlasto Ryan don't say anything to me anymore you don't bro or no if I was just sit here like this you're not going to get [ __ ] so let me do what I do thank you but it's it's uh if you're like grimacing when someone's trying to make
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Chasea point and you're like rolling your eyes it's kind of rude he does the exact same [ __ ] I I'm not I've listen I've listened to I've listened to many of your points I I I let you make them and I try to address them and the point the
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Chasepoint that I want to make right now throughout so I've done this is what the ninth episode that I've done at this point and one of the things Brian has asked girls he goes like okay so what kind of guys do you like right Right
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Chasegirls like tall guys uh who ideally make a decent amount of money often times like Deborah said it's above 6' tall right and if you look up the female delusion calculator and you look at the
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Chaseamount of dudes that are above 6 feet tall that make you know $90,000 a year or up it's like less than 1% of the population okay so you have women saying
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Chasehey this is what I want 99% of men do not fit that standard okay and so you say well it's the below average guys that you know they can't get laid
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Kikoliterally 99% of men do not fit in the average woman's standards for what they want in a partner do you see the problem then I see that but my point is a lot of women might be saying that but their actions aren't showing that I might say
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Kikothat but my last ex was broke as [ __ ] 5'7 so he still got to date me and which is why he he got to date you yeah he got to date me what yeah let me res say it
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Kikoagain you guys got to date you guys got to date each other right off of the point of he's saying is how he's below me cuz he's not 6 foot and wasn't making that much money in his eyes he got to
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Kikodate me because B isew is that your frame of how you view I would say he got to date me because he reached out to me for months beforehand and we had to have multiple friends intervene to get us
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Kikointo a relationship you didn't get to date each other um honestly you didn't feel fortunate to date him no not at all so why did you date him I was honestly dragged into it I was in a very
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Kikotraumatic point in my life rip rip for this can can I say something when I met him I was at a very low point of my life we met one month before the pandemic hit and we kind of just got stuck together if I had never stuck together if I had
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Kikonever if I wouldn't have experienced what I experienced right before meeting him we were basically if you know what the term is we were trauma bonded basically together and I could it took me a long time to get out of it honestly cuz I thought he was going to kill me so after I was with him I was scared to get out of it so if because you guys are
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Kiko[ __ ] making fun of me if you want me to actually say the real reasons yeah he was making giving me those signs that if I was going to actually leave him he was going to you know rude it rude what what like huh it was rude it wasn't me it was
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KikoEric well I'm sorry relationship lot of Psych guys out there these days like you guys are acting like psychos you guys want to see just one side of everything there are psycho guys out there but to
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Deborahpaint like you make it sound like it's like a large percent no no it's not a large percentage but there are like these Fringe group of guys that I don't know what it is I don't know if this is new to society but like the guys are like I'll kill myself if you break up
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Deborahwith like seek some help that's what he did though I know it's manipul and everyone needs to get serious help if you're saying that to someone CU that's just manipulating somebody that's like so rare though
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Kikothere happen to everyone at this table let me just say for anyone my exgirlfriend did and she got so that's why he knew he could play that card on me for anyone happen for anyone listening [ __ ] for anyone listening
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Chasewho finds thems in a position where they want to kill themselves if there are significant other breaks up with them I just want to say to all of you guys find purpose in your lives Find meaning in your lives and and fulfillment Beyond relationships it's my personal opinion I
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Chasewant to make this this point for all the people out there that are struggling it's my personal opinion that you should be fulfilled in yourself and find joy and happiness in your own life and completeness as a person before you get into a relationship so that you are not
02:51:10
Chaseemotionally dependent on the validation of that person that you're in a relationship with there are a lot of there are a lot of people out there like that who become suicidally depressed after a breakup it's an unhealthy
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Chaseattachment too it is you have to find fulfillment in yourself as a person outside of the relationship and and even if you're not fulfilled just don't kill yourself because you matter thank you we love you can I say something to this
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Samuelpoint it's that we we're arguing about like it started with do women have an easier Time dating than men and fundamentally men are like this is going to sound you know like kind of silly but
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Samuellike fundamentally men they are the ones that like go and they like penetrate the dating world and women are the ones that look at all of their options too far from the mic and they receive right so
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Samuelas a man if you're a man and you're having struggling dating it is entirely your fault it is 100% on you and it's okay disagree disagree I I what I what I will say is if you're struggling dating
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Chaseit is a reflection of something that's happening in your personal life that can be improved upon there's a lot of guys out there who are blackpilled on on their options and the fact that women don't want them and what I would say to every man in that position if you work
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Chaseon yourself and you work on building your confidence as an individual like the girls earlier in the discussion said you can you can give off that tall man energy you can become very attractive despite not being conventionally physically attractive if you build your
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Chaseconfidence you build your energy you build your value as a man that is something that every guy should be working on so that they can be more successful dating and it's something that is within Every Man's grasp I I
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Brian Atlasdisagree that it's 100% a man's fault if he's struggling when it comes to dating I mean there are other factors there's 100% I mean feminism is is one feminism
02:52:57
Brian Atlasfeminism is one of them because I mean the way men used to make themselves attractive was by being providers that's no longer good enough so men are