Gorlock The Destroyer! RAGEQUIT KEEKO vs. CHASE! Round 2! FIGHT! | Dating Talk #69
Date: 2023-04-26
Duration: 5h 36m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Chase (clip audio)(guest)
SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_04Samuel(guest)
SPEAKER_05Ali(guest)
SPEAKER_06Ally (Gorlock)(guest)
SPEAKER_07Deborah(guest)
SPEAKER_08Kiko (clip audio)(guest)
SPEAKER_09Kiko(guest)
SPEAKER_10Billy Ray(guest)
SPEAKER_11Madison(guest)
SPEAKER_12Chase(guest)
Key Moments
01:17:20
IntroAlly introduces herself as 'certified bad bitch' full-time as her occupation.
“I'm Ally better known for alzy I'm 23 years old from Arizona and I'm your certified bad bitch”
01:49:59
QuoteChase outlines his wife requirements: unvaccinated, conservative, traditionally feminine, Christian, willing to submit, ideally virgin.
“She's got to love the Lord um she's got to be unvaccinated she has to be politically conservative... traditionally feminine”
03:17:24
QuoteKiko is the only panelist willing to openly state her body count (12: 7 men, 5 women). Other guests decline.
“I have no no shame of sleeping with seven men and five different women in my 23 years of life”
04:22:00
OtherKiko threatens to leave by midnight (boyfriend upset if not home). Brian jokes about needing to get her to walk off again.
“I'm about to walk out my boyfriend's very upset if I'm not home by midnight”
04:28:00
ControversyReplay of the original viral clip from a prior episode: Chase says sleeping with a trans woman is homosexual; Kiko reacts and exits. Clip got 30M+ views on Twitter/Instagram/YouTube/Worldstar.
“Chase how dare you be transphobic Yes actually... Shut the fuck up cuz I have an opinion that differs from yours”
04:29:30
Key MomentPost-clip reunion: Brian asks Kiko and Chase to respond to each other. Kiko clarifies she left because she was an hour late for work, not purely emotional. Objects to Chase stating biological opinion as fact on a large platform.
“I wish I wouldn't have had to leave I had to leave cuz I had made multiple comments beforehand I was super late for work”
04:36:30
ControversyChase and Kiko debate whether sleeping with a trans woman is gay. Chase maintains it is a biological fact. Kiko disagrees. Ally (now revealed as trans) weighs in.
“I stated biological facts and you have a problem with me stating biological facts... for a man to have sex with a transwoman he would be having sex with a biological male which is homosexual”
04:48:00
QuoteAlly explains she recognizes 'chasers' (men who fetishize trans women for their genitals) as being gay, agreeing in part with Chase's framing in that specific case.
“there's categories to this shit... if a guy literally was just harassing me because he knew I had a penis sorry bro you're fucking gay”
04:50:00
QuoteKiko emotional statement about impact of Chase's comments on large platform and the high trans suicide rate.
“the suicide rate in the trans community is already so high and this podcast has so many views and you guys get up on here and just shit on them”
05:20:30
QuoteAlly closing statement about representing her trans community respectfully and being more than just her trans identity.
“honestly I was extremely worried on walking into a podcast like this... I'm glad that we're still able to bring these topics to the table”
05:23:20
AgreementChase and Brian apologize for laughing during Ally's serious points. Chase salutes Ally for bravery in coming on the show.
“I want to salute you for having the bravery to come on this podcast... I want to apologize because it was disrespectful”
05:29:50
ControversyAlly reveals she is a trans woman mid-discussion about plastic surgery in the trans community.
“I'm a plus-sized transwoman living in Arizona... wait you're trans yes I'm trans”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Guest introductions and relationship statuses
Brian introduces the panel. Each guest states name, age, occupation, relationship status, and longest relationship. Talking stage vs. exclusivity vs. official dating debated.
00:20:00
Submission and feminine/masculine relationship dynamics
Discussion of female submission, masculine leadership in relationships, and the 'talking stage' as a modern phenomenon. Kiko, Deborah, Billy Ray, and Ali discuss.
00:48:00
Physical turn-ons and turn-offs
Panel goes around stating physical turn-ons (fitness, masculine energy) and turn-offs (tattoos, excessive makeup, plastic surgery). Debate over fake boobs/BBLs, sternum tattoos, snake tattoos.
01:17:00
Plastic surgery and body positivity
Fat acceptance movement, plus-sized confidence, plastic surgery motivations (self vs. male validation vs. female competition). Ally discloses trans identity mid-discussion.
01:43:20
Self-ratings (physical attractiveness 1-10)
Panel rates themselves physically. Debate over how the 1-10 scale works. Ally: 10; Deborah: 8.8; Madison: 7; Billy Ray: 6.7; Sam: 5-6/10 (face ~7). Chase: not rated.
02:12:00
Leonardo DiCaprio age gap debate
Discussion of Leo DiCaprio exclusively dating women 18-25. Kiko critical of men over 40 dating women under 21 as a pattern. Chase and Sam offer counterarguments about male biological drives.
02:30:00
Women's dating advantages vs. men's struggles
Debate over whether women have 'easy mode' in dating. Billy Ray shares messages from 100K+ male followers unable to get dates; attributes to feminism eroding male confidence. Chase argues men must build their value.
03:15:00
Body count discussion and first-date disclosure
Panel body counts shared (Kiko: 12, Sam: 20-25, Chase: 7, Ally: private). Debate over whether asking body count on first date is appropriate. Billy Ray and Deborah decline to share publicly.
03:47:00
Marriage, divorce rates, and Christian vows
Chase and Brian debate the value of marriage given ~50% divorce rates. Chase argues public vows create honor/accountability. Brian skeptical of societal stigma against divorce remaining.
04:26:00
Viral clip replay: Kiko vs. Chase Round 1
Brian plays the viral clip from a prior episode where Chase said sleeping with a trans woman is gay and Kiko walked off. Panel reacts. Kiko clarifies she left for work (late), not purely emotional.
04:30:00
Trans rights, identity, and sexuality debate
Extended debate on whether sleeping with a trans woman is homosexual, trans identity as biological vs. chosen, gender-affirming care for minors, and trans representation. Ally (now known as trans) participates directly. Chase and Sam argue biological facts; Kiko and Ally argue against reducing trans people to biology.
04:51:00
Transgender ideology in schools and children
Debate over age-appropriateness of trans education in schools, puberty blockers (reversibility disputed), parental consent, and government overreach. Deborah argues parents must retain authority; Kiko argues teachers shouldn't be shamed for supportive responses.
Transcript
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Kikoguests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age and occupation go ahead hi I'm Kiko I'm 23 uh I go to UCSB and I also
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Ally (Gorlock)bartend I'm Ally better known for alzy I'm 23 years old from Arizona and I'm your certified bad [ __ ] your huh a certif B talking to the mic yeah talking to the
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Chasemic just so they can hear you say your say your occupation one more time for us just so they my occupation is a certified bad [ __ ] what was your age what was your age again very much baddy
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Ally (Gorlock)Vibes I'm 23 years old okay and Kiko 23 right yeah okay 23 23 and certified bad bad [ __ ] or Boss B I very much baddy
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Ally (Gorlock)Vibes like time Badd no breaks what it's very much fulltime what does that what does that mean can you explain that it's just a lifestyle like it's I mean if you get it you get it the rules are there I
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Brian Atlasfeel like every girl can every woman can be a certified baddy it's just the mindset and it's a full-time job but if you had if if there was a def if there was a dictionary and you were hired by Websters to Define certified bad [ __ ]
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Ally (Gorlock)is that what it is yes how what what would be the dictionary definition of a certified bad [ __ ] I would have to say I mean if just like toning it down completely just a woman who's confident
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Ally (Gorlock)in herself does whatever she wants for herself nobody else just women whatever men whatever anybody can be a certified bad [ __ ] is that it's just I think it's just the level of confidence and it's
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Alithe mindset for sure is that the uh occupation you list on your taxes oh for sure nice very much that very much the vibes okay good times what about you my
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Aliname is also Ali I'm 19 and I'm a student at Santa Barbara City College are you also a certified bad [ __ ] um I try to be
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Madisonyeah my name is Madison I'm 18 I'm a student at sbcc and I'm studying econ and accounting I'm Billy Ray I'm 25 and I
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Samuelmake men's dating advice content my name is Deborah I'm 23 and I make conservative content my name is Samuel I'm a bio IST
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Samuelfull-time but I'm also full-time Jiu-Jitsu artist catch me live on UFC fight pass this Saturday competing to Wi gold how old are you Sam oh I'm 27 my name's Chase 28 years old
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Brian Atlasprofessional photographer and brand consultant what up fam good to see you guys here okay rock and roll everyone's Instagrams are in the description so we're going to go around the table once more what is your current relationship
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Brian Atlasstatus are you single do you got friends with benefits are you in the talking stage situ situationship relationship and also in addition to that your longest relationship go ahead um yeah I'm in a very committed relationship
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Ally (Gorlock)with my boyfriend right now and my longest relationship was like 2 and 1 half years I'm very much as single as they come and my longest uh I guess no real relationship
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Brian Atlasyet but my longest talking phase is have to be almost a year I'd have to say longest talking phase have you have you ever had a boyfriend um no like officially no okay but you have had like a longterm concurrent period of time
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Brian Atlaslike a you said a one-year period of time where you did have very much like a year-long talking stage yearend talking stage yeah what what is talking stage so what what is that if anyone else wants
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Madisonto chime in what is a talking stage hell it's like a question of loyalty honestly like you're just wondering at that point if you're in the talking stage yeah what what did that mean for
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Ally (Gorlock)you B they couldn't have explained it any better it's literally hell like your loyalty absolutely um wait it it what like test the Loyalty for you or in general like
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Deborahfor both parties I guess did you want commitment but he wasn't willing to give it uh basically basically it was what it was um yeah they could have said any better I feel like the talking stage is like when you add something to your cart
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Deborahon a website and there's like only one left but it's reserved CU it's in your cart but you don't actually buy it it's a pretty good it is thank you yeah
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AliI'm currently in a relationship um this is also my first relationship how long have you been in uh seeing this guy um I've been we just
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Alistarted dating on the 5th actually so it's pretty fresh but um I've been talking to him for about six months or I've known him for about six months were you guys friends for the first five
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Alimonths um kind of kind of or was it the talking stage for the yeah I would say it was a talking stage yeah for 5 months and now you guys
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Brian Atlashave been dating for one month yes um who brought the topic to wanting it to become something more serious was it you was it him was it kind of mutual um I
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Alithink it was kind of mutual um straight into the mic it was more of if I would say the timing sort
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Aliof um timing but I think it was just a mutual thing what do you mean timing I don't think he originally wanted to start dating necessarily
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Aliin um College he didn't he didn't see in his future but we just both kind of started liking each other so it
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Brian Atlasgot I don't know so sure um question during the
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Brian Atlasfemon talking stage were you like dating other guys too no just him yeah okay was he seeing other
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Aligirls no you sure about that you kind of smiled a little bit when uh no you're not sure about that here talk try to be
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Alistraight into the mic if you can um possibly in the beginning but not towards the end or okay isn't that kind of what the talking stage is it's like
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Samuelyou meet someone and you guys are still dating and like you both know that you're seeing other people but no one's willing to commit yet right and like
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Samuelthat lasts for as long until that person either finds someone that they really like while they're dating other people or they kind of just fall back on whoever they're talking to at that time it's like the modern version of dating
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Kikolike how we're supposed to go on dates and get to know somebody but no one's going on really dates anymore they just start hooking up so just imagine how adults would say like oh we started dating going on dates and and you guys
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Samuelare okay with that I'm not you're not Ally are you were you okay with that in the beginning or was it a struggle in the beginning it was okay but we were or we both talked to each other about and
00:11:36
Aliwe were like exclusive with each other for a couple months so before we started dating how soon did you know that you wanted to like date him exclusively
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Alium I would say probably like the second month in would you say it took him a little bit longer to uh come to the same
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Aliconclusion um I would say was is pretty Mutual but just again with the timing it I don't know honestly that's okay it
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Brian Atlasjust ended up working out so and I'm very happy so sweet um oh sorry one thing can I have
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Madisonyou scoot your microphone closer to uh yeah scoot it this way a little bit yeah perfect go ahead I'm still very taken um
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Brian Atlasand my longest relationship has been 10 months is that your current one no okay still very taken are you still very much going to marry your current boyfriend
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Billy Rayabsolutely okay cool does he feel the same way mhm nice congrats thank you yeah uh I am in a relationship he's
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Billy Raywatching this I love you um and the longest relationship I was in was about 4ish
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Deborahyears oh so I wasn't laughing at you uh okay cool cool what about you he's definitely watching this too so we're going to be nice and say situationship
00:13:07
Deborahbut I am some basically single right now I guess wait hold on can you expl giving him more credit than this catalyze a fun
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Deborahconversation let's say we met things were great um and then I just didn't see it going in the direction that I wanted it to so I ended things and then I was at my friend's wedding and I was like oh what's the harm and just texting him and
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Deborahthen we've hung out a few times no hooking up just trully hanging out and things are going well now so we're going to see but I also don't believe in being exclusive unless you're actually dating I think that's just a way to trap people
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Deborahhuh wait um you don't believe in being exclusive I know I believe in being exclusive I'm very for monogamy but I think it's like a modern-day thing like we're exclusive but we're not dating like that's just such a scam for people
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Deborahwho don't want to actually fully send a relationship wait but I thought you said you don't believe in being exclusive unless you're dating yeah like the ex people will be exclusive talking to each other they're not going to hook up with
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Deborahother people but it's like that's not my boyfriend that's not my girlfriend I think that's a scam that's so weird who does that that's the a lot of people that's so weird it's part of the talking stage yeah but so what you're saying is
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Brian Atlaswhen you are in the talking stage or you're in a situationship you're you're not exclusive with the person you're in a talking stage until you're officially dating I would say like you're allowed
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Deborahto go on other dates I don't think you should have sex with other people depending on how serious a relationship is but going on other dates yeah don't if you're not dating somebody if you don't have a boyfriend nothing should stop you from finding that person wait do you think that you should be able to
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Deborahhave sex with other people when you're in that relationship no of course not I'm very big fan of monog but I also think the talking stage different than the one year I think that would be a situationship I think the talking stage
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Deborahis like the first three months and in those few months it's kind of natural if you don't want to go on other dates with other people you're kind of seeing where it goes but then once that time is up if that just continues 9 months of being in the talking stage you don't deserve to
00:15:07
Kikobe exclusive with that person you either commit or go find somebody else that you actually want to commit to based dude who stays in the talking stage for N9 months that's crazy that's the LIE when people say men know they know you if you
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Kikoare with the one you won't want to date anybody else you won't you won't be like I need to keep my options open you're going to IM immediately want to commit to them I used to think the same until I met my boyfriend now I understand once
00:15:32
Samuelyou meet someone you don't what are you laughing at you're right just not what you laughing at bro don't worry about it I think Kiko is right but the problem
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Samuelwith dating these days is that men men don't want to give away that commitment too quickly because they're afraid that the woman is going to get turned off by that so when a man
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Samuelfinds someone that a a girl that he really likes and really wants to pursue I think a lot of guys know not to show like that they're really really into her right away because it's going to scare
00:16:05
Samuelher off and that's how you get stuck that's how these you get stuck in this limbo on both s ladies do you guys agree with that right with that yeah I kind of get your point defin with that yeah I think
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Deborahthat could be like just a modern-day thing that people are very scared of like intense relationships these days that's why there's talking stages all these things where you don't actually have to commit but if you compare onee situationship to people have been dating for for 5 months I don't think there's a
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Chasebig difference you're hanging out all the time you're going on dates you're not really wantan to see other people so I think that's just a product of our times that people are just scared of the real thing yeah I would say so exclusivity
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Chaseand marriage you know you run the risk of ending up with the wrong person and then hitched for life and that's that's a scary thing for people but also at the same time I don't know like I'm the kind of guy like if I if I really like a girl and I know I could see myself spending
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Chasethe rest of my life with her I know pretty quickly you know and I don't know my friends they have a they have a saying especially when it comes to like relationships or like big career decisions they say if it's not a [ __ ] yes then it's a no y I say if it's not a
00:17:08
Chaseif it's a maybe then it's a hard no right yeah especially when it comes to like marriage or like ending up with somebody long term like if it's like a maybe and you're like iffy about it like it should be something where you're like yes in my opinion same thing when I buy clothes I'm like if I'm not obsessed
00:17:20
Kikowith this when I try it on I'm never going to wear it at home I have that mindset with men but not Clos yet I need to get that maybe it would save me some money uh what was the question again the longest you've been in a relationship
00:17:35
Brian AtlasRel membership yo Flyn life thank you for the big 20 gifted memberships man appreciate it I thought you were cling what's the trigger for that by the way
00:17:45
Samuelanybody chat well okay Rel current relationship status longest relationship I'm recently single and my longest relationship was about three and a half years nice yeah I'm currently single
00:17:58
Brian Atlaslongest relation relationship was like a year and a half okay and do you want to for for the new viewers who are tuning in um why don't you tell us a little bit about what you're looking for Chase me
00:18:09
Brian Atlaspersonally um yeah I mean bro and what you're doing too in terms of finding that no in terms
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Brian Atlasin terms of the commitment that you've made in term like that you're you're waiting for something I am I you tell us yeah yeah I want to I want to find my wife bro tell
00:18:31
Chasethem how you're born again what are the requirements what are the requirements for a wife well she's got to love the Lord um she's got to be unvaccinated she has to be politically conservative I
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Chasethink if somebody truly loves the Lord they will naturally be politically conservative um has to be traditionally feminine are you shaking your head at that keep
00:18:52
Chasegoing let's get ready to rumble um you know traditionally feminine if if woman loves the Lord and she subscribes to biblical values she will understand that
00:19:04
Chaseit is the man's job to lead the family provide for the family and to lead the family under the headship of Christ and it's the woman's job to submit to that man's headship in the family so a woman that's cool with the idea of submission
00:19:16
Chasenow a lot of women have issues with the idea of submission understandably so what I would be bringing to the table in a scenario like marriage is is actually being worthy of submitting to as a man
00:19:27
Chaseright uh earning her submission through good leadership but yeah dude I'm I'm looking for a wife and uh I'm not like intensely looking I uh recently went
00:19:38
Chasethrough an interesting relationship situation and I'm kind of kind of taking a break from looking for the time being his DMS are open
00:19:48
Chasethough yes yes DMS are open yes they are um so do you do you want a virgin ideally absolutely can she be a born again virgin that was my question I mean
00:19:59
ChaseI'm not like terribly opposed to it like I'm you could call me a born- again virgin in the sense that I stopped having sex three years ago I mean last time I was on with you you called yourself a born again virgin I don't know if I used those words I you said
00:20:11
Chasethat you I think I simply said that I started saving myself a few years ago I I don't believe in the whole idea of like Born Again virginity like I maybe someone else said it I don't think
00:20:21
Chaseyou can like reclaim your virginity is it like complete deal breaker if she's not a virgin it's not a complete deal breaker but like if she has a high body count like you know what's considered
00:20:31
Brian Atlashigh I mean if if her body how do you if her body count is higher 12 Chase is that too much including girls and boys if if Kiko became a born again virgin do
00:20:41
Chaseyou think that there's I think I think a potential match if and I got married one of us would not make it out of the marriage alive probably me I've never touched anyone in my life
00:20:54
Kikonot even your current boyfriend I mean like in a phys like a harmful way like I've never got into a fight girl I'm not a physical person you've never thrown like an axe at a boyfriend or anything like
00:21:04
Kikoax no but um Tupperware or some [ __ ] yeah yeah no if if her body counts higher than mine which is seven it's it's a deal breaker well technically if cuz you probably wouldn't count girls for me right so mine would be under
00:21:17
Chaseseven then you know I would count I would count girls oh you would okay that's also kind of a deal breaker for me if she's been with girls yeah totally that's a deal breaker for you totally
00:21:28
Chasedude why is that cuz I don't I don't want the bisexual woman bro sorry Kiko I mean you think I was in a date Chase
00:21:39
Kikoanyways are you bisexual or are you just was it just um you know you know I I I think we all know well my when I say my my longest relationship was with a girl when I say the two when I refer to the
00:21:51
Kikotwo and a half but that was in high school I have not dated or like been with the girl since high school so I I when I call myself bisexual today I don't know anymore would you would you marry a woman that's the thing that's
00:22:03
Kikowhy I can realize I probably wouldn't no that's why we ended I don't I don't see myself living that life when did you know that you were bisexual always like when little girl when I was
00:22:14
Kikoyounger like I you attracted to women when you were younger yeah probably I find them attractive but I realized I don't plan yeah I would not marry a girl or go past that why wouldn't you marry a
00:22:26
Kikogirl because I I mean honestly if I'm being for real the main reason was because I'm not going to pay to have kids when I know I I'm fertile myself I rather not have to
00:22:38
Kikospend thousands of dollars to have a child and I can sound [ __ ] it's easier it's simply easier to live a heteronormative life you mentioned that you uh recently came back to the church
00:22:50
Chaseis that correct yes congratulations on that thank you yeah um yeah Hallelujah uh with recently coming back to the church do you feel
00:23:00
Chaselike that would uh oh sorry go ahead do you feel like click with recently coming back to the church do you feel like that precludes you from having more relationships with women do you feel like there'd be a
00:23:11
Kikocontradiction of your faith there no cuz honestly before how I just came back to my to the church right now the last time that I was in Christianity was with my ex-girlfriend we used to go to church
00:23:23
Kikoevery Sunday and none of your pastors or priests said anything our church loved us really really inspired us they are true Christians that realize we're all Sinners and no sin is greater than the other so they just don't follow the
00:23:35
KikoBible they do follow the Bible and they follow the Bible how the fact that they are not there to judge we only until that day comes my pastor is not the one set out to judge me in my decisions there are so many things in the Bible
00:23:47
Kikothat is considered a sin you can't just ostracize some people and say those sins are worse than the others that's not how it works all sins are equal that's not true uh there is no it's not true
00:23:59
Chaseneighbor scripturally speaking yes but loving Thy Neighbor does not mean approving of the evils that Thy Neighbor is doing right this is why Jesus when he would speak to people he would tell them go and sin no more right he would love
00:24:09
Chasethem and he would give them Mercy but he would still forgive me tomorrow he he so I what's happening it's Brian's incredibly elongated sound effects um
00:24:23
Chaseyeah he would love them and he would give them Mercy but also at the same time he would tell them go and sin no more right and there is there is a high hierarchy of sin for example there's the unforgivable sin which is the blaspheme of the Holy Spirit right there's there's
00:24:33
Chasea hierarchy of sin there but um yeah I don't know I I don't think uh I mean I know that a church affirming same-sex relationships is not operating in accordance with what the word says there
00:24:45
Brian Atlasmany churches that do and those cool story so uh flan life I forgot to uh give you the uh air horn here but thank for the uh 20 gifted men and thank you for all our new members appreciate it
00:24:57
Brian Atlasokay so um first thing I oh I kind of scuffed well that's fine uh so first thing first what is a pck
00:25:08
Kikome Tay Tay is a pck me the one that sat right there yeah that light girl ultimate pck me definition if you look up on Webster her face will pop up probably sure uh but what what does a
00:25:19
Billy Raypck what does that mean to be a pikme a woman that validation I'm called a Pik me are you a p are are you a Pik I don't believe that I'm a pikme now but they
00:25:28
Billy Raycall you a pick me I don't do things to attract male validation I
00:25:37
Billy Rayjust I don't intentionally do things that are like males are going to love me today yeah you you got together with your boyfriend before you built this brand that's geared towards men correct H it's a complicated story do you want
00:25:49
Billy Rayto hear the quick version sure so we dated a couple years back and I made a video making fun of his apartment and it went viral and um then we broke up
00:25:59
Billy Raybecause he was moving and I didn't see myself leaving New Jersey and um I continued with social media and he doesn't have social media so he didn't
00:26:09
Billy Rayknow um and then when we got back together about a year ago he found out that I continued doing this and giving men's dating advice um and over the past
00:26:19
Billy Rayyear he helped me build the brand and um he is I always say the brains behind my whole operation he just started his own page it's DMD wait so hold on a male is
00:26:31
Billy Raythe brains behind your operation I I would say he's he's I have to credit him with a lot of it yes he helps with um the financial side I mean I I need him
00:26:42
Billy Rayfor the financial side I definitely write a lot of my own content um but he always we collaborate we talk it over um I'm inspired by a lot of the things that he says and a lot of it I think uh
00:26:55
Billy Rayespecially I used to give a lot more dating advice now I think I scooted it toward more towards relationships and I learned a lot about oh go ahead like dating like as in like flirting tips how to secure the date right I was going to
00:27:08
Billy Rayask you what the difference is more like healthy relationship because I I see it I learned um you talked about submission I think a lot of women view that word as
00:27:18
Billy Rayan icky term and once you um what do you think about it I think it's great why um I've never felt more secure in my life and you feel like submitting to your boyfriend helps you feel that security
00:27:31
Billy Rayyeah it also makes me feel very feminine I've never been so in touch with my femininity um I think I used to have to be I think when you're on your own um it kind of makes you like an alpha female
00:27:43
Chasesometimes like I don't need no man um but I think every woman needs a man let's go based yeah so based why why
00:27:53
Billy Raydo you feel like submission helps you feel more feminine um because I can I you don't have to be the alpha female yeah I don't have to be the one that's I
00:28:02
Billy Rayknow that I know that if my finances crashed tomorrow the house is under control everything's stable he provides
00:28:11
Billy Raythe stability and I can fall into my feminine side I I I can do more things that I enjoy rather than stress myself
00:28:20
Billy Rayout and climb the corporate ladder um I can make dinner at night and provide the feminine touch to the household and focus on being a great
00:28:32
Kikomother instead of climbing the corporate ladder what do you guys think about the concept of submission I submit to my boyfriend definitely but it's I believe in submission I like it like how yes you
00:28:44
Kikocan intact like be more intact with your feminine side but I just appreciate how even if he doesn't care my opinion is still asked you know what I mean like even if that it's his ultimate decision it's still a conversation is the thing
00:28:56
Kikothat I like just so I'm aware of what's going on and like I believe with certain things like finances like yeah that might be more on their side but like if I'm staying at home with the kids I might know a little bit better what be like might be better for them when it
00:29:09
Brian Atlascomes to like school time or things like that so I would hope I have some type of say completely agreed I feel like I'm very submissive to my boyfriend as well hold on just some feedback both of you
00:29:20
Brian Atlasneed to speak louder can you try to project your voices a bit Yeah so okay you're very submissive to your boyfriend's what about you or do you
00:29:30
Chasewear the pants in the relationship or the blouse it's very fresh it's fresh it's a fresh relation you been seing each other for like six months right are you saying you guys are still figuring out you're still figuring out your
00:29:42
AliDynamic um yeah I would say so um do you wear the pants no I wouldn't say so but the slacks I think
00:29:52
Deborahit's very equal it's equal if I may interject I think I have a strong personality I just know that off the get-go but I also really enjoy being feminine and girly and like being the girl in the relationship and I think a
00:30:04
Deborahlot of women like myself run into this issue where if a guy is weak we could smell it on you from a mile away and if you're going to be a weak man we will dominate you not intentionally but in just like this man's not doing anything he's not leading me like I have to step
00:30:17
Deborahup and wear the pants and that is the worst Dynamic for relationships it just creates so many issues it creates a lot of resentment yes and I think submission is fun for girls in the sense of like I don't love making a bajillion decisions
00:30:29
Deborahall the time I want to have somebody that I can trust to lead me with the decision that's going to be the most beneficial for me for him for my relationship with God and my future children and everything of the sort and then I could just focus on like what new recipe do I want to try or like what new
00:30:41
Deborahhobby do I want to take on things that are I think girls care more about those things than guys at large yeah I totally agree do you find it challenging to be submissive towards most guys um it depends on the personality but like
00:30:53
Deborahthese beta males like I would never let you lead me like are you kidding you can barely take care of yourself but when it comes to an alpha male like you can smell it on them you're like okay yes sir and you know it's pretty easy to submit to a man who knows how to be like
00:31:06
Deborahyou were saying worthy of submission and a lot of these men call for women to submit to them and just listen to them without being anywhere near worthy and that's a big disconnect I think of people not being so icky with the term
00:31:17
Kikosubmissive like if there's a great guy you'd be happy to have him lead you no one wants a crappy guy leading them that's why like people will say when they find I'm in a relationship they're like oh he must be such a beta he must be a symptom and I'm like if you use your brain at
00:31:30
Brian Atlasall and look at me and the woman I am you really think I could be with somebody like that no it's not going to work out I'm going to step all over them I think the thing with women who are lean more
00:31:41
Kikomasculine no offense that's a thing you guys on this podcast would say that but then to other people like what CU I have tattoos things like that just your your demeanor more masc when do you know me outside of a podcast while I'm sit up
00:31:53
Kikohere to debate you want to sit here quiet and not say anything it's the point of what I'm on is to proove my opinion and to speak my voice do you think this is how my conversations are with my boyfriend absolutely not yeah I mean and I've said as much in previous
00:32:05
Brian Atlasappearances that obviously you've been invited onto a podcast where we are engaging in debate so I suspect that how you or how someone else who's invited on this podcast conducts themselves
00:32:17
Brian Atlasconducts themselves is going to differ than how they are one-on-one in an intimate setting with a partner um however I mean you can get some degree
00:32:25
Brian Atlasof uh read on somebody even in this sort of environment and I mean you probably do you disagree that you're bit
00:32:37
Kikomore masculine not masculine in appearance but your demeanor I know not but I mean I could see that but outside of this room no I don't think anyone
00:32:49
Kikowould no you don't think anybody would describe you as having masculine energy outside of this room my actual friends that I speak to not just on a basis of this I don't I don't think so I'm
00:32:59
Kikohonestly very very submissive honestly I have too much empathy for so many people to really be more masculine or anything
00:33:08
Kikoespecially like teaching children like I knock off a lot of the feminine boxes except for the fact that I can use my own voice but like me and my boyfriend
00:33:20
Kikoare very differ in opinions like you you guys would probably agree on most things more than me and him would but we don't sit up here and argue all day and night about it he says his point and I just say Okay do your values align overall
00:33:32
Kikoyes okay wait do you get into arguments with your have you ever had an argument with your boyfriend so far cuz like it's one thing no he made me mad once I think we've made each other mad once but we never got into
00:33:43
Brian Atlasargue but because because this is how I sometimes see this play out is a woman who it leans a bit more masculine if things are good then it's fine but like
00:33:55
Kikoif there's ever a disagreement or a fight it's going to be a little we disagree on a lot of things he's very he's a lot I just said I just got back into
00:34:05
KikoChristianity he's more conservative Christian you know value based than I am so we don't agree on a lot of things like a lot of things I see on this podcast he'd be like you're so wrong when you said that and I'd be like hey i' be like hey bro you know but like we
00:34:18
Kikoagree to disagree and we know how to respect each other's opinions and I'm not going to just sit there and force him to agree with me on something do you consider yourself more liberal right right I would say I'm very in the middle
00:34:30
Kikovery in the middle I mean maybe a little bit left more liberal leaning but I mean I'm Pro Second Amendment like I I let's go yeah like I'm not saying I think there needs to be more regulations on what's going on uh oh I think in some
00:34:43
Kikoareas we do need I don't even want to get into this I have liberal I have liberal opinions I have conservative opinions because in my opinion based off of what I've read off the Bible some things are more
00:34:55
Deborahconservative and some things technically would be a little bit more liberal leaning so that's what I'm trying to learn more off and base more of my opinions off of I feel like the word masculine is being used in place of the word like risque or aggressive perhaps I
00:35:09
Deborahcould definitely see that a little bit more like people have just sometimes more aggressive personalities that's not necessarily a bad or a good thing people being too weak can be a bad thing too so I feel like that is a better way to describe what they're trying to say than
00:35:20
Deborahnecessarily M masculine because well I do believe like everyone can lean into like their more feminine side like I hate when a guy is super feminite I always say like he's too feminine for me but I truly don't believe that like a
00:35:31
Deborahwoman could ever embody the masculine side no matter how hard they tried and that's why I'm very much against those ideas that like men and women can change theirselves themselves because I think it's innate and even the most whatever
00:35:44
Deborahany girl that wants to be super try to be masculine or whatever they're still a girl they're still going to not equal to a man in that sense of person like I might come off a super like my biggest problem my last job was being a manager is I wasn't assertive enough I wouldn't
00:35:56
KikoI would let people walk walk all over me I wasn't putting my foot down with a lot of things and that's what was the big issue and if I was if I had a masculine side to me I don't think I would have had that problem okay let's go back to
00:36:07
Ally (Gorlock)the pikme thing do you have any thoughts on what a pikme is I don't know it's just into the mic if I'm being honest like a Pik me is I mean nine times out
00:36:18
Ally (Gorlock)of 10 a girl um who's basically guy yeah can a guy be a pck I mean we've seen it we've seen it maybe if he's like it comes down to like the the the beta
00:36:31
Ally (Gorlock)or like the guys who don't have like that you know the bde to him is the word like oh the manliness I always say a manl hold on hold on it's like the guys
00:36:43
Ally (Gorlock)normally don't have like you know that energy there it's like the the alpha energy is other the other word yeah you know that are the the pig beans and we've seen it like I think a lot of nice guys are pikm um because they need a lot
00:36:55
Deborahof validation they need a lot of female valid I feel like a male Pik me would make a video that's like when she's on her period And I just want to bring her chocolate and massage her feet please pick me I've never touched a woman
00:37:08
Chaseplease I feel like all the dudes that like aggressively support like abortion and like feminism I feel like they're all Pik mes on like social media and stuff it's all I see with that is like I want to have sex with a girl and not be
00:37:19
Deborahresponsible at all and I'm very pro life and I think a huge part is holding men and women accountable for their decisions to bring a life into this world so we're going to just let the guy get off the hook so easily that that's not fair to women then what what do you mean by let a guy get off the hook like
00:37:33
Deborahthese guys that are advocating for abortion I think abortion only benefits men in the sense of that a man can have if abortion is totally legal in a state I don't think a man is going to take as many precautions to protect himself from creating a life I think it incentivizes
00:37:45
Chasepeople to use abortion as a form of birth control rather than take the necessary steps beforehand and I just don't see how men how anything why would a man support abortion why the the only two kinds of guys that I've ever seen
00:37:57
Chasesupport abortion are the ultra simps that are like try like yeah I support feminism like Biden all that kind of stuff the ultra simps and the dudes that are running through chicks and they want
00:38:07
Kikothat like escape hatch see that side but I just when you speak like that it makes it seem like obviously yes abortion is a I guess a form of birth control in the end but
00:38:18
Kikoit's not it's it's not like Oh either I can get this IUD or just keep getting abortions like obviously you've probably never had to have an abortion rights since your pro life an abortion is not just a simple love you just walk in and
00:38:29
Kikooh baby gone it's a very brutal procedure yes it's not but I'm not saying there's not women who have had multiple or things like that and there is definitely women out there using his birth control but that is a small
00:38:40
Kikominority of the people there's don't just make it seem like yeah it's like oh yeah I want I I can just get an abortion if I don't want to have a kid like maybe there's a few you know small percent of women out there like that but most of
00:38:53
Kikothe time a lot of women I know who've had abortions were honestly a lot of them kind of sometimes were being safe some of them were being idiots they're like oh pull out method blah how how people do you know that have I don't know a single person I don't either yeah
00:39:05
KikoI know that have had ABS yeah do you consider Plan B an abortion no you don't consider Plan B to be an abortion it's there's that's no proof or not if you had it's it's too early Bri no cuz I
00:39:18
Kikodon't I I don't think there was a conception it's usually when the touches the egg it's the next it's very you have to take it within 72 hours the sperm has already reached the egg for plan I
00:39:31
Brian Atlasbelieve so cuz there would be nothing to kill if you if it didn't fertilize it B blocking it's not killing it's blocking it from in order for conception to occur the sperm has to get hold on guys in
00:39:42
Brian Atlasorder for there to be a conception the sperm must swim and make contact with the egg what Happ with if you take Plan B it it the the sperm has not yet hit the
00:39:54
Billy Rayegg yeah it's not an abortion pill it's not I don't think it takes it doesn't take 72 you can take it for up to 72 but I you can take it for up to 72 but if you take if you took it 72 hours later the there's a likely chance that the sperm has already reached the egg within
00:40:07
Deborah72 hours I believe I saw Kardashians I think Kendall Jenner taught me this on the Kardashians that sperm can live in your body for like 3 days before it
00:40:17
Samuelimpregnates you so that makes sense that I I'm not a biologist it's five days and the 72 hours is actually just the 96% Effectiveness so that's why they want
00:40:28
Samuelyou to take it within 72 hours but you can take it within seven days and but the effect the efficacy goes down significantly because conception has occurred at that point so a lot of women
00:40:39
Samuelwhen they take Plan B they like shed their you know it it forcefully sheds your uterine lining so that you're aborting whatever conception occurred
00:40:49
Samueland a lot of women report the fact that they have like clumpy periods and they have like something bigger come out of them so there's a possibility that the sperm did reach the egg I'm not just making this up I know I know career and
00:41:03
Kikostuff but all I know people who literally used to pop sadly I don't agree with it they used to pop plan B's like candy I've never had a single friend say they bled after I've taken plan B's you I've never bled after You' never had a single friend you've never
00:41:14
Kikohad a single friend say that they bled after plan B that's the process of which the preventing it from happening I've taken I've taken probably three plan BS in my life I've never bled once from it and I never had a worse period after I was going to say everyone I I haven't
00:41:28
Deborahheard the bleeding cuz I don't know that many people that take Plan B but in college I know that people have horrific following Plan B and you can only take it like three times a year or something like that plan B you can't
00:41:40
Deborahjust pop that like it's candy for yeah and then yeah and it can affect I'm sure it can affect fertility or something of the sort you're not supposed to it you're more than like three times in your life exactly I think that's what it
00:41:51
Kikowas people play with fire with it and also every time like people try to get pregnant for a long time it's not just oh you get sorry for my language you get nutted in once and you're pregnant a lot of the time the plan B isn't even preventing anything from happening a l the time you weren even like you weren't
00:42:05
Samueleven going to get pregnant is just a cautionary right act and that's because of like the cycle the menstrual cycle right you can only get pregnant when you're OB two days out of the month yeah right and so that's so the stories I'm not making this up the stories that I've
00:42:17
Samuelheard about are when women take it and during ovulation and there was conception like there was actual fertilization occurred and they took it and then they it either caused them to have an irregular period or it caused
00:42:28
Samuelthem to bleed out something that was a lot like diff something that was different I I feel uncomfortable talking about this because I don't I've never had a period but so as far as the plan B
00:42:38
Brian Atlasthing it's I I would have to look into it further it's plausible that it could be an abortion if conception occurred however for example you can have sex and
00:42:50
Brian Atlasthen five minutes after you you have sex take a plan Plan B pill conception has not occurred right five minutes after you've had sex with somebody so that
00:43:02
Chasethat would not be an abortion but it's plausible it could be an abortion if you took Plan B 5 minutes after you like had sex with somebody is there a chance that the plan B won't work yeah yeah yeah
00:43:13
Kikoplan 100% it's pretty effective is my understanding not that I would have any knowledge of that's why it's Plan B and you can only take it within a certain days cuz it's not going to force an abortion if you take it after that time frame like you're not going to just take
00:43:25
Chaseit and now you're going to have abortion AAR so one of one of my friends recently told me a story that he his buddy got his girlfriend pregnant and like several weeks after the fact he mixed a bunch of
00:43:37
KikoPlan B into her pancakes and she like that's a yikes yeah and like Bas basically killed her baby okay I said taking a plan B versus mixing a bunch of plan B's together I'm sure you could take you can be a woman a lot of things that would give obviously they're
00:43:50
Chasedifferent things but I'm saying like it can still be effective I know but there's a lot of things to go to jail I'm calling the FBI I have a hate CRI you could drink a bunch of vitamin C and force yourself in abortion but it's
00:44:03
Deborahnot because it's the plan B that's going to give you it wait you can get an abortion from a bunch of vitamin C there's many ways to Pineapple stop yeah there's many ways to stop I think I learned the pr American story I don't know this is Icky who is the first person to figure out that you could take
00:44:16
Deboraha bunch of vitamin C who the first person honestly it was probably on accident which is very very sad who's like let me pull these UTS let me drink that no it was probably because somebody some dude with a fetish or
00:44:27
KikoI'm listening I was saying probably somebody Wass with orange juice or something and accidentally had a miscarriage when they didn't want to that's probably how we found that out true I did not okay we're going to we're
00:44:38
Brian Atlasgoing to move ones from that topic so messed up so e yeah what about ectopic pregnancy what do you feel about that should we hit some super we're going to move on we're moving on from that uh start that Eric okay so uh Alexandra
00:44:51
Brian Atlasthank you for the membership appreciate it all right Prometheus Venom thank you for the 100 by the way guys get your super chats in 100 and up for the super chats 200 up triggers TTS Prometheus Venom thank you for the 100 man exclus
00:45:04
Brian Atlasexclusivity you have to be very careful as it can go horribly wrong can you expand on that Prometheus Venom Prometheus Venom can you oh he has another one here my girlfriend has bleed before by taking
00:45:17
Brian AtlasElla and her period was awful and messes with her hormones she told me she had clumpy blood in her area be careful with it hello probably meant Plan B Ella Ella's a version of Plan B it's supposed to be more effective they sell the the
00:45:29
Brian Atlasuse what what is Plan B is it like a superdose of hormones it's uh just like a basically a higher dose of birth control hormonal birth control feel like it's a cortisone shop or it's like an
00:45:39
DeborahAdvil it's a lot it's progesterone and progesterone stops from getting pregnant because it keeps your hormone level so high that you don't ovulate and you don't drop an egg based yeah so de knows
00:45:51
Brian Atlaswhat she's talking about college you learned some things there all right moving on um did you guys have a sense of what a pikme is do you want to weigh in someone who seeks attention I don't
00:46:01
Madisoneven think it's like if a if a you could say a girl is a pikme I think a girl can be a pikme towards men and women honestly yeah I agree what's a p what's a girl who's a pikme towards women what
00:46:12
Brian Atlasises that look like just trying to be better than a woman I feel trying to be better than woman better than other women yeah all right we have one more Super Chat here Justin Reyes thank you for the 100 man appreciate it Brian I appreciate your content a little more
00:46:24
Brian Atlasthan fnf Chase calm down the religion Kiko I may disagree with you 99% of the time but respect you stand up for yourself ladies what turns you off on from men physically before reread that did you want to weigh in on what a pikme
00:46:37
Aliis um I would just say it's a girl who like wants seeks a lot of attention from men and goes out of their way to do that okay um but I agree with Madison I think
00:46:47
Aliit can be with a woman in other group of large women where they're just trying to be like the center of attention for like a male to
00:47:00
Chasenotice and they like make it their personality I'm going to I'm going to clarify this for all the boys out there all right for the Young Guns a woman who is a pikme is a woman who will intentionally espouse values that she
00:47:11
Chasethinks a guy she wants is going to like right so you've got you've got this phenomenon with all the chicks that claim to be Trad but they're still getting their backs blown out by Chads when they go to parties right like these are these are women who claim to embody
00:47:24
Chasecertain values just so that they can get your attention but they don't actually values yes yes watch out for those chicks watch out for those chicks Bros that's why I called T pck me because like what from them speaking so far I could tell like this is just their true
00:47:37
Kikobeliefs this is what they believe and what they stand for and that's fine that's who you are but with her it was it you could just see right through her act especially just you call me masculine like that's a true masculine woman right there and everything that she was saying was about how you need to
00:47:51
Kikobe submissive and this that and the third I'm like you're literally a contradiction of your whole thing so I don't know if it's for views or what she's trying to do but she Tay is or her no no Tay I'm we're boys we're
00:48:02
Kikogirls not only on the weekends you just see right through it's like a facade that she thinks that's what's going to get her like an Andrew Tate or something she has to act that way she has to [ __ ] on herself and her own appearance in
00:48:14
Brian Atlasorder to you know make men like her to your credit you're not wrong t i I don't know if she's a pick me but she's definitely pretty masculine she's very masculine and she tries to act like she doesn't care about certain things when she does like she's like oh don't care
00:48:26
Kikoabout this not when you're sitting here doing your sorority pose and all that like sorry like yeah it's like be be for real yeah like you're but she's the homie she's the homie no I really don't
00:48:36
Brian Atlaslike her not for you for me that's she's h a terrible person but T you know you're you're a strong woman let's say that saying you're a strong woman obviously tattoos are so ugly and this and that when she has face tattoos what
00:48:49
Kikolike be so for real girl like what she got a teardrop like she has eyebrows eyebrow neck watch out you're next about was that the L chick she was like Latin light skin I don't know Sharpie eyebrows
00:49:01
Kikobut saying I was wearing too she's like I don't believe in makeup but then she had like hella makeup on yeah it was very weird that's a good example of oh I have a hard time nice to Tay we should be nice to Tay guys Tay if you're watching this I really don't like roast her for five minutes should be nice to
00:49:15
Deborahwell I used to get all the pck me comments back in the day and I think that I was never fond of it just because like I'd post conservative content things that I truly believe in and at that point it's kind of like I really don't think this word is so useful in this day but like misogynistic in a way
00:49:28
Deborahwhere they're like you don't actually believe what you believe you only believe it cuz a man told you to believe it I'm like no I actually believe this and they think I'm not validated so I hated that side of it but that one example that you just gave was really accurate like girls are like I hate
00:49:42
Deborahmakeup I don't need makeup to look pretty and when your friend is like glammed out next to you they're like wow I wish I had as much care for my looks as you do in front of other guys like just saying things to try and be like a guy's guy when they're just a nobody's person that's exactly what she was
00:49:54
Kikotrying to do the whole time like the guy I drink I drink beer eat wings and watch sports like that's the whole facade that she was trying to put on and I'm like I could name five NHL players and then I went her Instagram her whole entire
00:50:07
ChaseInstagram is Just sh all right all right all right okay so screw pick me girls we're here and guys Prometheus Venom says it can cause some miscommunication Chase I've experienced it well it's good to uh give
00:50:20
Chasea heads up for the other boys about the problems that can come with quote unquote exclusivity always make sure that you're vetting a woman effectively and then we read J Rey is I will not calm down on the religion sorry dog
00:50:31
Brian Atlasthanks for watching though and for uh yeah uh let's see he said ladies what turns you off on from men physically and just really quick um
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Brian Atlasfresh and fit of the homies so uh much love to fnf okay um so yeah ladies what turns you off on from men we'll go around the table on this real quick go
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Kikoahead biggest turnoff biggest turn on physically biggest turn off
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Kikoskinny biggest turn on legs big likes big dudes all right mean I want if you if I look at you you look like you can't protect me then I'm good
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Ally (Gorlock)it's reasonable yeah what about you uh I would have to say like a really bad turnoff is a guy who's rude just like physically though physically yeah I I mean I know I don't have one
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Ally (Gorlock)but I love a good jawline good jaw does Chase have a good jawline um I mean it's there it's there it's cute about me what about me it's just
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Ally (Gorlock)it's so good it's there we can see it okay um yeah I'm flexing mine now and a turn off for a guy you said like appearance wise yeah
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Ally (Gorlock)physical would like smell be like one of them like a guy bad smell yeah like horrible hygiene have you encountered a guy in your escapades that just I mean like I I've been out and like I think a
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Ally (Gorlock)guy is cute and then like the second they walk by me and you smell like ass like get out of my face okay so smell smell Ali what about you um I don't know
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Aliif I can think of like a physical turn off I would say also smell if that's I don't know if that's would you get a guy who's 5 foot yeah that's a good one you
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Brian Atlasgot shorter than you I would say as long as they're like one inch taller than me height doesn't really you can you move that cup out that cup right there just
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Brian Atlasmove it somewhere move it move it why don't worry about it that don't worry about it so OCD a tad
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Alihuh so go ahead um turn on a turn on wait how tall are you I'm 55 56 so as long as
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Deborahhe's 5'7 yeah okay I don't mind I would die how tall are you I'm 5'9 are you wearing heels right now I'm wearing 2 in heels right now I'm 6 feet and 3 in heels so like it's not selfish for me to be like come on 6 feet or
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Deborahgreater whenever my friends try to sign me up with people it's like does this number start with a five and they're like yeah I'm like don't do it I want he what if he's 6 foot that
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Deborahcould to work or like 5'11 with a tall personality you're like noted okay sitting up straight there what about turn on um I would say
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AliI'm typically attracted to men with like darker hair is like a specific physical turn on for me sure okay what about you uh turn on I would
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Madisonsay a nice smile I like eyes I like eye contact UM turn off if I don't would I don't know about physically but if you're like overly
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Madisonconfident like obnox I that's physical not really phys yeah I was saying like that's not physical but that'd be a turn off for me turn on or off off off they
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Brian Atlashave like a like a Chad Brian a what like a Chad would be a turnoff a Chad would be a turn your boyfriend's a Chad what are you talking about my boyfriend's not a Chad you call him a Chad your boyfriend's a legend what are you talking about is a legend definitely
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Brian Atlasnot a Chad though wait so what okay but for physically for example what about a guy who has uh face tattoo is that a would that be a turn off a turn off would be like messy hair
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Brian Atlasmessy hair yeah okay cool like not good hair what about like a third nipple I wouldn't honestly if it didn't bother me I could be down for third down for it okay what about you Billy uh turn
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Billy Rayoff would be long fingernails oh fingernails okay we're chilling yeah turn on not your alien
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Deborahfingers a turn on would be a e you know did you know that's a sex doll I I said oh it's a it's a Barbie doll and everyone's like that's a sex doll like
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SamuelI'm too naive to be here um turn would be a strong back strong back okay like he's deadlifting
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Samuellike 525 or are we talking like back width like spine or he in the gym deadlifting like
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Billy Ray600 lbs I don't care about the the pounds just no damage l45 strong you want good yeah but like broad shoulders
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Samuelyou want like the definition in the back there's a lot of back muscles you want like definition or all right let's move it on go ahead okay um say that biggest turn on would probably be big but in the
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Deborahsense of like bulky types of guys like I I think the dad bot is pretty favorable too like I don't need a guy who's pure raw muscle but someone who makes me feel like small cuz I'm 5'9 so like someone who makes me fall small and little and
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Deborahsafe I love that biggest turn off somebody who doesn't work out and it doesn't even have to be that they're obese but just somebody who clearly doesn't go to the gym or have health like live a healthy lifestyle I work out like 5 days a week it's very important
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Deborahto me to live an active lifestyle and being with somebody who just doesn't care for that would it's so gross to me in every sense I agree you want us to answer
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ChaseBrian was it I mean you guys go for the I'd like to answer Brian uh I mean Brian doesn't want to hear from you Sam sorry no I'm gonna
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Samuelanswer anyway biggest turn on is when she's fit like when she's physically fit and she has a strong cord yes uh and can do like if you're a
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Samuelgymnast my DMs are open uh biggest turn off is tattoos and specifically like masculine tattoos because I feel like a
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Samuellot of tattoos are masculine on women and I kind of feel like this is going to be a hated opinion but that it's kind of a way to embrace their masculinity by
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Madisongetting like those masculine tattoos who here has tattoos do you do you hate my tattoos like do you no I don't ha I don't hate I don't hate them and I don't
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Samuelconsider those no I wouldn't consider those masculine I don't hate what do you what do you consider like a m so you're of the five
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Samuelher I don't have tattoos J one that's the size of a quarter on my ankle hey Kiko get a get a no yeah no offense to Kiko but it's more like when they have like a sleeve or something like that of