BANGS STORMS OFF?! (RAGE QUIT) | Dating Talk #101

Date: 2023-09-18

Duration: 4h 59m

Guests

MMadison (DT101)

Brian Atlas

KKiki (co-host DT126)>

LLeila Jenner >

KKatie (DT101)>

AAllison (DT101)>

RRachel (DT101)>

BBilly Ray (DT101)>

DDan (DM Dating)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Dan(guest)

SPEAKER_02Rachel(guest)

SPEAKER_03K(guest)

SPEAKER_04Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_05Anay(guest)

SPEAKER_06Kiki(guest)

SPEAKER_07Leila Jenner(guest)

SPEAKER_08Billy Ray(guest)

SPEAKER_09Katie(guest)

SPEAKER_10Allison(guest)

SPEAKER_11Madison(guest)

Key Moments

IntroLeila Jenner intro: 20yo porn star / OnlyFans, stage name, from Texas.

“I'm Leila Jenner I'm 20 and I'm a porn [star]”

RelationshipLeila reveals she is legally married to a 21yo Mormon bishop candidate in Utah while openly dating content creator Zera. Marriage is open/informal. Panel debates credibility of the story.

“I have a husband he's Mormon but I'm dating Zera”

ControversyAllison states that being born with a penis means you are a man; frames this as biological fact during a feminism/trans discussion.

“when you are biologically born with a vagina you're a girl and when you're born with a penis I'm out”

Key MomentAnay ("Bangs") storms off set after Allison's statement about biological sex, calling it transphobic. Brian confirms: "That was our first bangs walkoff."

“I'm out [exits]”

QuoteBrian confirms the walkoff on-air: "That was our first bangs walkoff."

“all right that was our first bangs walkoff”

Key MomentRachel reveals she has a 4.5-year platonic male mentor who has paid her >$10k this year alone; panel debates whether this constitutes sugar babying.

“it's more than 10,000 correct yes okay”

Key MomentRachel explains she broke up with 6-year boyfriend ~3 months before a Sweden trip to visit first love; admits the trip was a catalyst for the breakup.

“this trip gave me the out I'm like I'm going to go and I'm going to be with my best friend... there's a likely chance I'm going to have interest in him”

QuoteK reveals she used seeking arrangements to fund an entire Texas road trip by doing 2-minute FaceTime calls for ~$500 each.

“all I did was FaceTime and like be like Hi how are you doing and then they... I got that entire trip paid for”

IntroAnay returns to the show after her walkoff (~4:06 mark).

“she's here”

QuoteLeila describes sugar daddy income: ~$300/date in Texas, up to $2k for a movie day, ~$4k/month total at peak, while attending nursing school.

“I would say like maybe 5,000 for one guy... in one week like I hung out with like three at the most”

QuoteBrian asks Leila about body count; she reveals she started college at 16 and had 40 partners by end of freshman year.

“you started college at 16 your freshman year of college you [had] 40 dudes yes”

QuoteLeila tracks her body count through college: 7 entering, 40 by end of freshman year, ~67 by start of junior year, then ~60 personal + ~50 in porn = 100+.

“freshman year we had this contest... sophomore year probably got up to 67 by junior year... then I got into porn and that was probably another 50”

Key MomentLeila offers oral sex to host Brian Atlas on air; Brian deflects with humor. SPEAKER_03 (K) intervenes. Creates prolonged comedic exchange.

“I give myself six I think you're 10... this girl trying to gas me up so she can give me a BJ”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship statuses

Guests introduce themselves; Brian goes around table on relationship status. Leila reveals she is legally married to a 21yo Mormon bishop candidate while dating "Zera"; story debated for credibility.

Sex work, OnlyFans, and social shame

Discussion of OnlyFans, porn, and whether sex work should face social shame. Billy Ray argues for returning social stigma to sex work; Leila, Anay, and K defend their work.

Sugar daddies and seeking arrangements

Panel discusses experiences with sugar daddies and seeking arrangements. Leila had 3 at once; made ~$4k/month in Texas. K did 2-min FaceTime calls for $500 each. Rachel describes her long-term platonic male mentor who paid her sporadically.

Dating dynamics and who has it easier (men vs women)

Brian and Dan argue women have dating on "easy mode" due to sexual optionality. Panel debates Bumble, rejection rates, group project analogy for dating initiative.

Feminism, wage gap, and trans rights

Heated exchange on feminism and wage gap statistics. Allison states biological sex is determined at birth; Anay calls it transphobic and storms off the set at ~2:44:35.

Bangs (Anay) walkoff and aftermath

Brian and panel discuss Anay's departure. Dan argues she stormed off because her feminist arguments were being debunked. Leila defends Anay. Anay returns at ~4:06.

Rachel's sugar daddy and 6-year relationship story

Rachel explains her 4.5-year platonic male mentor arrangement. Panel debates whether it qualifies as sugar babying. Rachel then describes breaking up with 6-year boyfriend ~3 months before a Sweden trip to see first love.

Women keeping in contact with exes while in relationships

Discussion of Rachel's situation; Dan and Brian argue women often line up next relationship before officially ending the current one.

Body count and its effects

Panel debates whether body count matters. Leila reveals her count: ~7 entering college, 40 by end of freshman year, ~67 by junior year, then stagnated ~60 personal + ~50 in porn = 100+. K explains endometriosis limiting hers. Madison describes her frat president competition freshman year.

Self-ratings

Stiffler chat triggers self-rating round. Madison: 8, Allison: 9.5, Rachel: 4-5 (undecided), Dan: 7.5, K: 6, Brian: 7.5-8. Brian notes Anay would have said 10.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasoccupation thank you flan life for the 20 by the way thank you I'm Leila Jenner I'm 20 and I'm a porn sorry okay your 20

Brian Atlasany relation to the Kardashians or is that just like like the aesthetic yeah no I mean like a

Brian Atlasgenetic relation I look like a genetic no like a genetic relation no okay all right was I'm assuming that was the inspiration though for your name for

Brian Atlassure you like it do I like the name yeah I feel I don't really feel strong one way or the other about about the name I don't dislike it or like it I have no

Anaystrong feelings one way or the other but uh I think you like it but it's okay you don't have to tell me congratulations on your fake name okay what about you um my

Anayname is anay and I am a student and I do only fans age oh I'm 21 all right welcome

Kback hi I'm K I'm 18 and I'm a personal assistant and I do only fans okay her personal assistant you're her personal assistant yes how much does she pay you

Brian Atlasthat's one your business thank you I don't talk about my financials that's fine um what does she have you do like do you go run and get coffee for her no I'll make her do that with me if that's

Leila Jennerthe case but um wait you're dictating the term you're no I'm like let's go get coffee like you know I'm not going to be like go get me a coffee yeah that's what a personal assistant does she does a lot

Leila Jennermore she like um sometimes like I she drives me to all my shoes oh yeah a lot of times I have to go to a shoot and then go to a meeting like right after and it's like I have to like wear a different outfit than what I was like wearing in a porno like you know so yeah

KI'll have to like get her party outfits I'll have to quite literally like talk to some weird people but personal assistant there you go what

Allisonabout you my name is Katie I'm 23 and I work in marketing all right welcome I'm Allison I'm 24 and I do pr marketing for

Racheluh Jersey Shore women center that is so cool I'm Rachel I'm 25 I'm a yoga and fitness instructor and I also work in network

Billy Raymarketing I'm Billy Ray I'm 25 and I support patriarchy for a living there you go I'm Dan I go by DM dating on all

Brian Atlassocials I am a dating expert and men's attraction coach all right welcome everybody we're going to go around the table once more and I do have a couple questions about your guys' uh careers especially Billy there with the uh

Billy Rayyou're the what was it the I told you it was going to be a going it it was good it was good um I support the patriarchy you support the patriarchy is that parttime or full-time fulltime I'm like the real life can ftg thank you for the

Brian Atlas50 um so we're going to go around the table once more so what is your current relationship status so are you single talking stage situationship Friends with Benefits relationship married in a

Brian Atlaspolycule sex cult how long have you been uh a Harum even how long have you been single and what's if you if you are single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in go

Leila Jennerahead okay so I have a husband he's Mormon but I'm dating Zera talking to the mic oh yeah thank you okay I have a husband he's Mormon um he's great but

Leila JennerI'm dating Zera um okay hold on just a sec here so you are you just trolling I'm not trolling so you you are legally married to it's honestly helpful cuz he's like

Leila Jennerhe's like supportive so he's like have fun in your 20s like type thing she's not lying no I wish I wish he was he lives in Utah I visit him but it's like

Brian Atlaswhere are you from I'm originally from a small town in Texas okay how did you meet the guy how what's the story with the Mormon guy I met him in college he was on a

Leila Jennermission isn't that cute I met him in college he was on a Mormon Mission okay yeah how old is he he's 21 he's 21 okay uh when did you

Leila Jennerguys get married we got married it wasn't it wasn't a real marriage it was like I we just signed it cuz like so okay he's Mormon and he wanted to be a bishop but you have to be married before you become a bishop so it was like for

Leila Jennerthat I'm calling on this story because you can call you can are Mor look up look I live with her was like bed Mor but if you signed it how is it not a real marriage well it

Leila Jenneris legally but we didn't have we didn't have our wedding we did sign the papers okay but that's a real marriage you don't need a wedding to have a yeah thank you did you have some people don't age do you have a marriage license from

Brian Atlasa courthouse yeah and did you have a like a religious wedding ceremony too well we got married in the temple okay so you had the religious ceremony yeah why but I just don't I

Leila Jennerjust don't consider it marriage marriage for me until I get have like a real wedding yeah nor do we why did you get married why because I love him and we're going to be married no matter what but he needed it to become a bitchut so it's

Leila Jenneran arranged marriage for him yeah I'm a helpful girl so and what do and what do you get out of it I love him I do love him what what what's the purpose of you being married to him I can always get

Leila Jennerdivorced I signed a print up like it's not a big you know like why not get married this this story is so a you're telling me where did he meet you this would be really normal in

Leila JennerVegas it's not crazy met no no no he he met me in my town as a Mormon Texas in California yeah in Texas I went to Tech

Brian Atlasokay so you're telling me a deeply religious Mormon man who wants to have a position in the church who he's currently a bishop and he's dating me and I'm a porn star and he's okay with

Leila Jennerthat I don't I mean your story your story is cute but I don't buy it that's fine you can look it up like there's different look it up like I've said this ever since I've ever started like we've been together if you go into the June

Karchived of any of her socials you'll see all of it see what like yeah like you'll see everything she posted about it was you don't have to believe it it's not crazy to be like married like are you

Brian AtlasI'm not saying it's crazy unbelievable about it in Tex yeah what's unbelievable about I think you just haven't met maybe she wasn't a porn star yet was

Leila JennerI wasn't a porn star when we met and he he knows I'm up and so he's like you know like let me live my journey okay that's like let me use this girl and then drop her later no he's he wants to be married to me forever I'm the one

Leila Jennerthat's like I can go whoever I want you know did you guys consummate the marriage what do you mean was the marriage consummated oh my God I'm so dumb I don't know what that word means you guys that checks out um you have sex

Leila Jenneruntil we we didn't have sex until the we got legally married well okay you so you consummated the marriage yeah but I would still other

Brian Atlaspeople I okay so the fact that it was before the fact that you got married before you started doing s work makes it

Brian Atlasa little bit more believable however I me personally I find it hard to believe that a deeply religious Mormon man that's fine you hard to would marry

Leila Jennersomeone and then tolerate what's like crazy to believe about it that's like well I just absurd have you never met someone that's like have you never met someone that's like married and

Brian Atlassomeone else like have you ever heard of C we call that cheating that's pretty Haram but like there's cucks and it's prob there'ss out there in people's head but in M it's just like yeah that's what I you can be with someone that's okay with cheating yeah

Danwhat you do for a living creates a lot of them actually yeah when you what what' you say what you do for a living actually creates a lot of those I was going to say that creates a lot of what a lot of the cucks that she's talking about yeah it does I think about that too I'm like wow you really enjoy

Brian Atlaswatching it get like that's crazy y chat hold on let's ask the chat chat do you buy her story one in the chat if you believe it know Z stream will all comment and say that this is all true one in the chat if you believe

Leila Jennerher story two in the chat if you think it's like yes isn't that zura's girl yes everyone from zura's stream tell them that I'm not lying we don't we don't deny that you're zura's girl we are

Kdenying drive not the Mormon husband right I had to drive her to Utah like it was so Random it was just absolutely random but why hasn't he divorced you

Leila Jenneryou're sleeping with other men dude he loves me have you never met met someone that's in love with someone that's cheating on them a lot of people just be okay with it yeah I had to Progressive my he would have been even more

Anayinteresting to have on this and he gets to yeah we should have this guy on yeah why don't you bring guys on here what are you talking about we got two like why don't you bring like I'll tell I'll tell you exactly why

Brian Atlasdifferent I told you I was like you shouldn't I want to fite my friends on here well I'll tell you why I don't inv I wanted Eric on here too okay I'll tell you why it was good it was juicy you didn't want it

Brian Atlasokay so most guys they they claim that they oh if if a girl says this I'll be able to rebut her and I'm going to own I'm going to own like I'm a really good

Brian Atlasdebater I'm a really good arguer I'm really entertaining you should put me on your show and we've accepted those guys to come be on the show and they sit there and they don't say and they

Brian Atlascower and they choke because it's one thing to be hold on let me finish it's one thing to be sitting behind your computer oh watching the stream like oh yeah I would say this when they say this

Brian Atlasand I'd be able to it's very different when you're live in person we got lights we got four cameras you're sitting across from people who disagree with you there's 3,000 people watching people talk a real big game but when they're

Brian Atlaswhen it comes down to being on the show a lot of people choke both men and women you guys hear that men and Bri I've brought on I've given so many guys chance like I the first time a guy

Brian Atlaschoked I should have been like unless the guy has a proven track record of public speaking or content creation they cannot come on the show because almost with the exception of very few guys most

Brian Atlasof them choke would you say we we've had on Good Guys we've had like Chase is good Adam 22 was good I'm trying ad 22 was good who else but I mean he's like a content creator you're good would you

Anaysay that girls are like more I would outspoken or like you know like bring more to the T are you saying that they bring more to the table to your podcast no girls are less logical

Anayget cont we are wired you get better content off girls well true because they're more emotional based not logical like men yes I've met some very

Danemotional men and that recently went viral on Tik Tok I've had a 25y old man cry in the show no men have emotions they tend to suppress them because they come out pretty aggressively that's why we shut down and then you're like why

Danaren't you speaking up because if we spoke up it would come out very angry men more aggressive and angry when they express emotions yeah but it doesn't but it doesn't come out in the form of anger it comes out mine has come out in the

Danform of no but it comes out in the form of things like gaslighting gaslighting you think I gas that's not real no every single gas gas

Danliting that gas like complet I've been gas I've been gas by Brian you're a gas so so so there is an actual okay I'm

Dangoing to actually teach a little bit of a lesson here okay there's a thing called the argument from intimidation do you know what that is that's when people that's when people will look at you and be like oh don't be ridiculous or no you

Dancouldn't possibly believe that this is what girls do all the time men do not do it nearly as much if you're dealing with a guy who does that kind of thing what

Danhe's doing is he's depending or he's relying on your own benevolence your own kindness to not rebut him okay this is what girls will do they'll look at a guy

Danand because men have been told their entire lives you're toxic you're cruel you're aggressive basically men are basically basically men are told from the moment they're born get on your knees and beg for forgiveness you dirty

Dandirty man that is what men are told from the moment the moment they are born so when we do something and a girl feels like they're being attacked when really we're just speaking our mind talking

Danabout our feelings you come back and you can't stand the fact that you might have pissed us off so you go I cannot believe that you would insinuate that you would do so that's something that girls do girls do this okay this is not something

Danguys do guys are much more to the point you did something that bothered me can you please apologize for what you did that's what guys do girls just completely beat around the bush and they never ever apologize I've apologize I

Anayapologize I love apologize I'm always the first to apolog starting out fiery tonight I've apologized before I know when I'm wrong I admit to my mistakes that's how you grow as a person would you like to apologize to me right now I feel deeply hurt by all the things you

Brian Atlasdone to me and said to me throughout the years do what I do what I do we'll get into it later just just on the whole thing with no guys really quick so what I would say also in addition to just us having experience of men absolutely

Brian Atlaschoking on the show I would say most men have very oppressed uh excuse me suppressed opinions about the current social dating climate but they fear the shame and ridicule that would come if

Brian Atlasthey chose hold on let me finish if they chose to voice those opinions publicly I agreed followed so like oh SG

Brian Atlasthank you very much for the 50 memberships also if I bring on one like blue pilled guy the girls will just desperately latch on to whatever he says and use his opinion to invalidate what I

Anaysay on the panel where I'm usually already like outnumbered so why not just like a neutral dude like one that's like neutral neutral find Neal a neutral

Anayguy's going to choke he's going to say nothing I know I need a guy who's like really strong oh they're making good points on both sides the hell is that I told you I know a few guys that would be like interested you say that you say

Brian Atlasthat but I guarantee they show up it's their first time ever doing something BR Eric on too why don't you do Zer he's so red pill y'all are the same person we'll see

Brian Atlaswe'll see um okay so anyways um also just men are on the losing side of the culture War so men can't really truly be honest with their thoughts it always gets met like when it comes to like dating preferences standards and

TTS Readerboundaries those things always typically get shamed so he's a dating course so okay all right we Mike Davis donated $100 bring it I

TTS Readerdon't get what's so hard to believe this goofy try hard porno star found a ly Christian cyclist Sim most Christians especially those weirdo Mormons are

Leila Jennerpretentious fakes what hard to believe thank you I have Mike Davis by way simp like thank you that's what I'm saying like you think that like there's so many my fans that would let me cheat on them every day like what's different about

Anaythis guy that's disgusting but there's little like Mormon porn too yeah thing it is there's Amish porn you have a bunch of friends with benefits that's what you have but I love some of

Leila Jennerthem again it's nothing but friends with benefits there's nothing but a like there's zero commitment how do you get fulfilled from this I am wired so differently cuz I have so many like tra

Leila JennerC no not trauma crazy little things in my head and they just make me feel so Lov I'm going to take a shot in the dark daddy issues yeah okay saw that coming

Leila Jennerfrom a mile away divor was there divorce there was so much multiple divorces that yeah I mean but like you know what I feel loved how I feel loved if that's

Anaywith too many dicks like so be it just because it's not like normal to you it's okay other people are happy doing different things we shouldn't shame it we should all love each other some

Billy Raypeople get filled with love I think we should shame things we were what's wrong with that shame back is that what you're saying bring shame back for sure like for example this is on a very low level but we shamed cigarettes for years it

Billy Raywas disgusting if somebody smoked cigarettes we socially ostracized it and now nobody really smokes cigarettes we should do the same with s what happened to the what happened to the word

Billy Rayg we should do the same things to sex workers cuz they're destroying Society how is it hurting how is it destroying Society can I like get a little de do you want to around and do the

Leila Jennerrelationship yeah we can come back to we can come we can come back to it wait but let me say I I agree with you but at the end of the day they're still giving me money so I'm still going to do it but I mean like it's never going to it's never

Dangoing to go away money and sex yeah money runs the world you know what else pays really well murder for I don't have sex at all still make there are things that are

Billy Rayobjectively immoral objectively wrong you're making money off of sex though at the end of the day it's anal way to make money it's AAL one at a time one at a time please okay go ahead do

Leila Jenneryou want to respond then we got to move on you then you go my favorite thing is sex I love sex I love performing and it makes me so happy so when you it's like I'm not just doing it for money and sex I'm doing it for what makes me the

Leila Jennerhappiest in the world which is is sex that's what makes you the happiest what find that out um I didn't lose my virginity to like 17 and that's when you found that out I mean I feel like I found that out when I started poring I was doing only fans and I was

Leila Jennerlike I love her what else do you enjoy in life um I play video games okay go ahead are you guys religious no I'm going to answer that

Anayvery simply no okay are you religious I mean we believe in God we don't actively go to church but you guys like do you guys believe in like Jesus and like all the yes we have a good

Brian Atlasrelationship with God makes sense so did you answer your relationship stus no I did not so wait just to go back to you really quick um

Brian Atlasyou okay so there's the the you're married to a Mormon Bishop yes and he's hot and I'm dating zura wait he's what he's he's hot hot the

Leila JennerMormon guy they're all hot yeah I love do you still hook up with him or yeah not that much but yeah we do a lot of anal what this is I'm calling I'm calling on that whole you know that

Leila JennerMormons can only do anal before marriage that's not I'm not a Mormon but that's not true that's true that's true look it up right now look up on your phone a lot of Rel look it up right now it's like the soaking thing it's a

KTrope yeah it's they're all real things podcast for 6 hours Rel relationship it takes a while um okay and you're currently dating John zurka yes hold on

TTS Readerjust Bender the offender donated 99 I mean no disrespect but you look like you have resting P want

Billy Rayface talking about this stuff yeah when I'm talking about this stuff definitely he's got resting R Ryan Reynolds face and Heath Ledger

Brian Atlascombined okay so you're dating John zurka um are you guys well you're not loyal right to him I'm honestly pretty loyal right now actually no you do porn no I haven't been shooting lately like

Leila Jennerfor the past like since I've been with him been him for like a few weeks you're on a good streak of loyalty few weeks yeah setting a career high here when he goes to Miami I'll probably go back and then we'll he'll come back and I'll get back with him like you know okay yeah you guys will break up for a little bit

Danand then you'll I'm going to say break up like just do your thing I'm doing my thing come back be my right so like don't date and then go date other people and then come back publicity I like him and then having time to the other guys you like a lot of

Danguys yeah I do right so in other words you don't have a boyfriend I had a few no you don't you have she's a husband she's a whole husband you have multiple

Brian Atlasguys I have multiple relationships how many are we talking here two well and then there's people I but for work or for usually for work fun usually for

Brian Atlaswork yeah like her Uber driver over here no I think she drove you yeah she drove your personal assistant try wait okay hold on uh my tumy hurts thank you do you want a Toms or

Brian Atlassome no it's okay Nick tosser or Toms um okay just kidding I'm okay I don't need one okay so you have two boyfriends well you have one husband and

Brian Atlasa boyfriend who's John zerka yeah you want to meet him what now sure he downstairs okay in my pocket so let's

Brian Atlassee do you have any other guys that you're seeing not related to work uh how am I supposed to like think like with your bra would be helpful there's a couple

Leila Jennera couple like sometimes yeah like you know like whenever I think so so is zurka only seeing you or does he have other women too I'm not other people besides him right now for right

Brian Atlasnow but it's not going to be along right now it's you're hold on so you're only him temp for the time being yeah but you're going to continue seeing him but then you're going to other men no it's a little different because he's

Brian Atlasgoing to go back to Miami soon and then I'm going to be like whoever I want to and when he comes back I'll probably be like isn't he in Miami he was he was just in Florida what a not two days ago not yet no he was in Miami is he in

Brian AtlasMiami already you don't even bro this's so full okay do you want me to call him right now no he was on the uh fnf podcast I mean I don't like suck his like every move every what I don't like

Brian Atlassuck is every move that was a FR slip your boyfriend is he your boyfriend yeah you don't know if your boyfriend is unless me then

Brian Atlasno okay so he's not here so you're I assume you're going to be with other there's this other little guy I'm with but I don't want I almost guarantee you like she I I don't know if it was today or some other day

Brian Atlasshe was on the phone with zura hey John I'm going to be on the whatever podcast how can I get the most attention while I'm on the whatever podcast okay let me just say let me just say all this you want to say this is

Brian AtlasI can show you clips and everything of this is all true like okay I don't know why you think having a relationship that's crazy in La is not weird it's just like you're pre-planning all this it feels a little pre-planned I mean maybe it's because I stream a lot

Leila Jennerand I'm used to talking but like that might be the only reason you think that I have to say I do believe she has a husband thank you fine I feel like it's such a weird story that you know and people say I can call up anyone right now and be like tell like I have

Leila Jennerhusband I mean people think it's weird people think it's weird but they're more like oh huh cool not like holy balls what do you mean it sounds like a South Park episode but I believe her like I totally believe it's not like weird to believe like I'll just take your word

Leila Jennerfor it I'll just take your word for they a lot so is John zurka just seeing you not if he's in Miami he's being in Miami wait John zurka has a dating course yeah

Brian Atlashe does that's why you actually go on is he he claims to be very Christian he is he's he's Catholic he's okay he's get a lot of money off of that dating course

Brian Atlasand he has a dating course right the dating course teaches does it teach men toate women hold on does it it teaches men how to get women who are involved in sex work and who do porn and won't be

Leila Jennerloyal to you no he sounds like he preaches that he preaches that that's not really what he wants and he would rather have he'd rather have some like third third world country like girl that's a virgin like then why is he involved with you cuz you want him to go to some third world country and

Leila Jennerget a girl like he's here in La he's going to f there's plenty of girls in La that don't do born good like you might as well have someone that's good like you know do you take prad in that yeah I do do you think men feel really

Leila Jennergood about themselves when they a girl like you I make them okay it's GIC I think I make them feel so good that they're like all that Pride just goes out the window no they like things that are earned no I them I usually I don't even guys the first night

Danlike I like try to like pretend I wait like you know you pretend to wait it makes him like I feel like feel more like a and we and we wonder why the sexual market value is so low why do you

Danguys make sex so taboo I know why do you guys it's not a Tabo guys it's not taboo we have sex okay we don't have anything against sex what we do have something against is is something

Danwhere girls like you and you I have no idea how much porn you do I know you have an only fans you do you think I do porn porn what porn is so different than only fans a lot more respect for her than me

Brian AtlasCurtis Reynolds donated $200 unfuckingbelievable smfh 304s yo thank you Curtis Reynolds this this show is it's get it's pretty wild um go ahead do

Rachelyou guys think that there's a problem with hookup culture yes no okay I do uh whatever you want yeah okay I still want to answer the question that we haven't got P we'll there's a problem with I don't know I guess that depends on what

Danyou're referring to do you think that do you think that people are no wasg thank you FG thank you ftg for the gifted members whatever that is who do you think is to blame for the

Anayexistence of hup culture men or women men it's it's a twoed thing I'm just against who controls who controls the access to sex women you open your legs right so who's to blame the women men the women but the men also has the

Kintention to do it so it's it's a two-sided thing it's two-lane road men men are pursuing sex they going to act in a way they're going to act in accordance to achieve sex that is

Kcorrect but we are alls like her exist okay all that says is there are women out there who will just give it up for for nothing some women can't escape like the mindset that we were all hardwired in that we should be giving a lot and

Kreceiving a lot and be treated like this but it's up to the woman or the man to break that mindset are you going to gu like done for yourself or not like are you going to be a social not by not

Kthrough sex work like not through giving up my posty on camera exactly like you don't have to find love like that you don't have to make your entire relationship around sex but if some people choose to do so then they choose to do so and that's what that's what

Kmakes them happy that really does and I'm not a sexual person out on she knows that and yet not like I'm not going to hate on her for that or like disagree with her because it's not really something to disagree with it's just her life that's how she

Danlives it and you got to get over it buddy you don't like Mur Mur people over doing sex be heard about it don't be heard about it no no no she's free to do it what I'm saying is sh it's absolutely catastrophic for society if that gets

Knormalized but beiz shame it in the privacy of your own home you said it shouldn't be normalized it should not be normalized but it should not be shamed in a way of making people feel bad why if it shoulding if it shouldn't if it shouldn't be normalized why shouldn't we

Kbe shaming it I don't think you should be doing this that's not shaming you could be like oh you doing all this is disgusting I think it's ruining Society or you can say I just don't think it's good for everybody to do saying it's Ru but I

Anaydon't I think it's catastrophic for societ sex work is the oldest profession it's literally in the Bible like it's the oldest profession sex work will always look patriarchy straight in the eye what okay there there's definitely

Anayolder professions than sex work and like one of the oldest most demanding it's the most of the most demanding one of the most demanding the barrier to entry to become a sex worker what is it huh be

Dana woman open your legs that's what you need to be it is what what do you want me to do what do you how do you want me you said it's one of the most demanding yeah it is it's demanding how is it how is it

Anaydemanding we some people can't get it some people in demand it's not a demanding some people are in unhappy marriages so they go to like massage parlor or to like

Anaythey go places they go get AAL it happens wouldn't call that a marriage no not and they shouldn't be in the marriage I think what I'm hearing from you is that there's more female sex

Rachelworkers than there are male and that's why you're saying it's demanding it's very hard for a man to get into sex work have you watched porn hly that there's more females in sexn than there are males how does that like then it's more

Leila Jennerso it's more demanding for females how you make that concept what do you mean how did I make that how did you get her saying like there's more females and I think that's what she's getting Fales but how did you get that to the no I

Rachelsaid sex is demanding okay that people look for sex okay what so what's your question for her cells hold on let her go ahead what's your question for her sorry I don't remember your name an an um that there's more you can agree

Brian Atlasthere's more female sex workers than there are definitely oversaturated yes yes okay cool that's what I'm clarifying you want her okay um did you you had a question for him then we have to keep

Kthings moving go ahead yeah so you said you've watched porn so it's obviously demanded somewhere in anyone's life it's out there you watch demanded she said it's demanding yes I mean sorry I meant demanded it's demanding you when you

Kwatch it sorry I mean demanding and demanded you demanded it because I mean at the time you were demanding it so uh well I moving on okay uh bangs what's your

Anayrelationship situation single how long have you been single I've been single for 2 years now um I'm not talking to

Anayanybody nobody I have my eye on somebody but it's not really talking what do you explain that what do you mean I don't want to he might see this what do you mean you have your eyes on somebody are you talking to him or you uh yeah

Anayoccasionally I do talk to him but I it's like more of a crush that I have and I haven't had a really I haven't had a crush in a while so excit no yeah I think they might have a crush on me too

Brian Atlasthey him sorry I was sure if it was like non no I say they a lot sorry okay uh longest relationship uh a year one year

Kokay what about you um I'm single uh I haven't dated in about two years like an actual relationship but I was also under the age of 18 at the time so I don't

Kcount that so right cuz you're you're 18 yeah uh so you've been single for two years but come on there's a guy there's a guy in the picture I was living with

Khim and so yeah I was it was a twoe relation ship so but okay but that ended two years ago yeah it was bad you're living him with him from 14 to 16 I

Kgraduated at 16 yes okay you weren't you weren't living with your parents no I was not I was living with her actually okay um well so you've been single though for two years but let's talk

Kabout right now there's no guy in the picture there is a guy in the picture is there more than one in the picture no I do not do that just One Singular I I don't play men like that it's not in my heart to do that I mean people make

Kmoney stop the C things wait okay so hold on I I can like swear by it like I do not bring men over and I actually did end up bringing one over

Kand like I'm not going to play him after that that's my peace place like I'm not I don't ruin that peace place like my house my our apartment is a peace Place why would I like ruin that peace place okay I thought you were talking the guy was a piece oh no he's really nice side

Brian Atlaspiece or something oh never that so you're seeing you're kind of sort of seeing seeing one guy right right now how long have you sort of been not sort of seeing him but seeing him um really

Knot that long like few weeks and that's about it couple weeks yeah but I've known him for like couple months I just don't fill my void of loneliness with

Brian Atlasmen fill it with food and money food and money that's it okay um do you want a long-term thing with this one guy yeah or definitely okay does he want the same

Kor yeah okay but you're single you said you're single yeah I I mean once you say you're dating like then then I'm not single talking really isn't so you could I have every right my grandma always

Ktold me never stay with one man until you are dating the one person you want to be with you can talk to as many people as you want until you find the erous erroneous you can but my grandma's a teacher at a Christian private school

Brian Atlasshe was my teacher that's Haram okay so you can but like do you think that leads to good relationship if just before you let's say the day before you have the conversation with the guy that you want

Kto be in a relationship with you another dude oh I don't them I'm not like active like that I mean I can talk I can flirt to another man or like flirt with another man but I don't I choose not to but if I feel as if this man is not worth my time I can see if

Kthere's another guy I feel like you just keep your options open yeah you keep your options options open you don't want to end like I don't ever want to end up in a relationship like I I don't even know what that means man

Kyou don't want to end up in a relationship like who was like I was two years ago it was not something that I should have been in ever and so I didn't keep my options open and what does it mean to keep your options open like you

Khave like obviously if a bunch of people like you you're going to um not everyone is going to to sleep with all of them yeah I'm not going to sleep with all of them but if they text me I might text back you'll be hanging

Kout with them no I don't hang out with anybody at all except for like her in that one man like I don't leave the apartment I work from home okay so there's not really any reason for me to hang out with

Brian Atlasmen well perhaps that's the case for you but there's definitely women who keep their options open I used to hold on let me finish and they're going on multiple dates a week with different people they're sleeping with multiple men at

Brian Atlasthe same time and then two months in they finally decide okay this is the guy I want and the entire time they've been seeing that guy they're other dudes talking to other dudes I don't think it particularly leads to good

Khealthy relationships well I'm personally scared of STDs if I ever contract one I may go ballistic that's awful but if other women want to do that and ruin their mental health they can go

Kright ahead but mental is everything for me and if I decide to let a man get or cuz no one can make you feel any type of way you allow people to make you feel a

Ktype of way MH so if I were to allow a man or a man to ever make me feel any less than what I've made myself be then that's where I know I've like up bad okay that's not how your

Danlife should be you shouldn't revolve your life around someone else so you stay loyal to one man and you try to hold your body for that one man for the sake of your mental health yeah and yet you're a personal assistant for a porn

Brian Atlasstar well I'm not everyone she's working with I'm not going into her shoot we do are you are you uh thinking you'll ever Venture into that world no I

Brian Atlasdon't I will not even allow a man on to my only fans do you do o though I do you do do o okay I do what kind of what kind of content do you do on BG any boy girl content no I do not have men on content

Katieno okay it's just all me an what about you are you BG girl girl solo yeah just I just shoot Whatever by myself okay uh what about you well now I don't feel as

Katieexciting but I am in a three-year relationship and we're very healthy I feel like and happy threee relation awesome wow that's

Katiegood you said you're 23 right I'm 23 yeah did you guys meet in college or it was kind of like a weird situation CU I was like I'm going to be single in college like I'm not going

Katieto and then I was like oh co happened so I had to go back home and I was like really bummed and then he lived in my hometown we went to high school together but we didn't really like talk and he was like Hey and I was like I'm not

Brian Atlasgetting into a relationship and he made quite the effort to like visit me when I came back to college and eventually moved here so gotcha and while she was talking about this you kind of it seemed

Brian Atlaslike you almost echoed a little bit what she said of yeah keep your options open so before you got into your three-year relationship with your now boyfriend were you keeping your options open during the early stages of when you

Katiestarted dating him absolutely not like the second we started talking we both like didn't like entertain anybody else so you know I'm not practicing what I preach but I do get like keeping your

Katieoptions open is like dating around like try something new like try this person try this person like see what you like because I don't know I feel like that's your time your early 20s to like I'm talking about like date around but once

Rachelwe started talking it was just like him in the picture that's awesome like wrong person or like right person wrong time kind of thing no but they're still together yeah still together right but

Katiethat's why we keep our options open because in case it's like okay this isn't going to work right now yeah I wasn't keeping my options open like with him because I was like okay yeah like this is it you know but before him I was like okay maybe this is my type maybe

Katiethis is my type I'll go on this date even though I don't know if I'm going to like this person you know just date and figure out what you like okay all right

Brian Atlasum actually on that note so you said you you'll go on a date but you might not be super set on the guy yeah like honestly even like my boyfriend now like I tell him too I was like you honestly weren't

Katiemy regular type and he ended up being like my soulmate in my eyes because I was into like douchebags before him so it's like I would not have given him a chance but I was like oh he's nice he's funny and then I was like oh shoot like I just took a chance on a good guy even

Katiethough that wasn't my type before what was your type ftg think for the 50 um I'd say guys with like huge egos

Katieyeah and he's a very was going to follow humble person um wait okay hug OS yeah like that's that was my before him like boys huge egos like not good

Brian Atlasintentions and then my boyfriend now is very like humble amazing intentions question for you so and you say your boyfriend now he's a good guy nice nice guy good guy like he's not like you know

Katiehow some people say oh he's a nice guy and like it's kind of like a turn off like he's not that he's just genuinely a good person and he has great intentions so question before you finally found

Brian Atlasyour soulmate this guy who you say is a good guy who you've been in the through your relationship with how many of the jerks and boys did you

Katiehave to go through before you gave him a shot honestly I'd say quite a lot like in that time span and that's why I kind of like nodded when um is it Brandon I'm

Katieso sorry Dan Dan Dan Dan the man sorry he was like is hookup culture toxic and I like nodded immediately because it was toxic it was so bad for my mental health the guys were terrible you know and it's

Katierefreshing not have that anymore but why do you think you were attracted to them I don't know I don't know I think part of it was like validation like I think I was a lot more insecure and I was also

Katieyoung um I lost my virginity at 16 so I was young I think I needed a lot of validation and that's why I went for men like that at least that's how I perceived it but aren't those the types of guys to not give validation exactly

Katieexactly wait that doesn't make any sense though you said you need a lot of validation though being with those guys I was looking for validation by like sleeping with them and stuff I don't know okay okay

Danum you wanted them because a lot of girls wanted them you also wanted them because they weren't nice probably they had they had they they had Authority they were hyper

Danmasculine and like I I think about something really really simple why is it that every single dude for the most part that gets girls today seems to have a tight fade in a

Dantattoo because that's what hey with the tattoos come on that's what every girl goes for every single one remember when I said you're all the same you all want the exact same thing you want a man of authority right men in

Danuniform this is a big thing I'm sure you shoot a lot of scenes with them and you get just a constant constant Chase of this leader this masculine guy who has a

Danmasculine frame who isn't chasing you all the time who you can't control who has these like Beast like he's like a beast that you have to tame it's literally Beauty and the Beast that's

Danwhat women actually desire you don't want a nice guy you need someone who isn't going to give you attention all the time cuz you need to long for them you need to miss them right like this guy you said that he you knew him during

Katieyour time in high school so we didn't like talk we were just I always saw him like we went to the same Elementary School even and we just did not like pay attention to each other and then you said you were then you said that when you went off to school you were texting

Katiefor periods of time but then he would make the effort to come see you right so he texted me while I was in school and I kind of like ignored it and then I went back home and he reached out again and I was like I'll give this a shot and then I was like I can't do long distance like

KatieI don't I don't know I like you but I can't get into a relationship and he came every single weekend and we live four hours away to like make it a point to be there and make it work and so there was a pattern Interruption you had a week where you didn't see him and then

Dana day or two where you had a great time then a week where you didn't see him and then a day or two of having a great time it's this is the same exact dopamine cycle as when you're like I wonder if they're going to text me or like there I I actually saw a great clip from a guy

Dannamed Andrew hubman I have no idea if you guys have seen his stuff before there are actual cultures around the world where they have laws basically tribal laws where you're not allowed to touch your spouse for two weeks out of the month what that does is

Katieit creates excitement it maintains attraction and they have extremely long-standing long-term relationships I will say I could I didn't mean to interrupt you but I was going to say I see how that works because like when we first started dating we were like

Katierabbits like literally having sex like rabbits and even though we live together for the first time it's like we don't have sex every night you know we Pace out a little bit and it does still like build that anticipation 3 years in wait

Katieis it a you got a dead bedroom is it the dead bedroom what dead bedroom that's like there's no sex no we don't do that we just like skip a day you know what I mean we still we just Pace it out I can

Danget it still like builds excitement and anticipation just skipping a couple days even though I don't want to Har on it too long cuz I know we got to keep it going but but the whole point is the reason why it worked out with him the reason why a genuinely good guy who you

Danended up falling in love with is because he wasn't if you were just at home with him all the time given who your type was it probably wouldn't have worked out but it

Danwas good to occasionally talk to him and then see him over short stints that's actually the formula for being successful in the dating Market this is why the whole like wait a few days to text that's kind of shitty advice

Danbecause it's there's actually an art to doing this the right way these pattern interruptions to build attraction with people it doesn't just happen but that's the reason why it worked that's the reason why you were able to escape your

Katietype and I would say honestly agree with that too because I liked the chase so you know it was a healthy way of still getting that you guys are all the

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Katiewhatever um what are we talking here what are we talking do like a Baker's Dozen what are we talking

Katieum and like too much like for I don't know too much like when I look at myself then I'm like why you know what I mean like I'm like little Katie like you need to stop like enough to where I'm like

Katieyou didn't have to do that you know but not like time did you go to UCSB yes okay but I started dating Jared um my first year of college so like I've been in a relationship most of my college career important question you

Danknow how you talked about you believe in keeping your options open Can You Scot yes if you're thinking back on that being like oh why why did I do that why are you encouraging girls to keep their options open the same way you did well when I say keep options open I mean like

Katiegoing on dates like very like wholesome things like go on a date with this guy even if you don't know you know like see what you like I don't mean like sorry I don't know if I can say that I don't mean like have sex with everybody

Billy RayI meet I just mean like dating around that's what I mean okay like on a very casually C like wholesome casual level like just like figuring out what kind of personality you like what kind of person you like that's kind of why men are

Billy Rayafraid to now like pay on dates or even take girls on dates because the girls aren't serious about it they're just dating around right I don't know why they obligated to pay though because because you guys would be repulsed if

Rachelthey I ref what way would you guys go about it like like I don't necessarily 100% agree with like the dating around but like getting to know people figuring out what you like um what kind of personality do you like do they have the same political

Rachelviews like does that all like come into play for you guys when you're I'm TR yeah I mean I I I would say don't expect a nice dinner right yeah yeah I don't really go on

Anaydinners when I like even like with the few guys I've been interested with I've never been like oh like let's go out to eat because I get so shy to like eat in front of a guy even though I know I shouldn't but I just feel like I look ugly and I personally wouldn't even be comfortable with that if someone wanted

Anayto like spend a bunch of money on me and I'm like this is our first date I don't even like know you be like we're not doing that even go to the movies it's almost like awkward like I'd rather like sit down with them or like even in a car

Kjust like talk to them hang out see a pretty view I've done that a few times times I feel as if when they pay big amounts on the first dat it makes me feel obligated to stay with them and I hate that like especially with like

Kfamily having like issues in the past with that happening like people Indian giving saying oh well I got you this though so okay and you decided to spend that money on me thank you well yeah that's

Kweird if a guy has an expectation because he paid for a date that he's that's what a lot of guys expect too like they expect that woman to stay because they have money money does not mean anything if you do not have a good personality or mental health that is

Brian Atlasactually all the more reason that women should pay for the date but um so that the guy doesn't have any expectations although look it's I think it is probably best practice generally speaking as the man uh me personally I have some qualms with paying for the

Brian Atlasfirst date but generally speaking across the board I I do think recommended the guy should pay because you're going to there's definitely women you're going to lose if you don't pay for the you should be going on fewer dates and spending as little money as possible if you're a man

Danlike that that's what you should be doing 100% true to the most first dates that I've been on I don't spend a dime because I go I'm going to go I'm going to walk my dog do

Anayyou want to come with me I feel like I would even prefer that like I don't want you don't you don't you don't like a good conversation you don't like be out yeah I've done that but I wouldn't be like oh let's go walk my dog I'd be

Anaylike I'd rather stay home to be honest if it was like oh let's go walk down the park let's like go get ice cream I'd be like y'all are in a relationship correct I feel as if y'all are very healthy strong couple due to that mindset

Kbecause that is exactly a really healthy mindset to have not spending as much money as you can and enjoying things that are free in life like literally going to the beach go smoke a blunt I don't know do something rather than

Brian Atlasgoing shopping or like sure like what is that let me just come in I do have to move things along but uh one thing about what you said you said well like I'll go on a date but I'm not really sure about

Brian Atlasthe guy I think this is an interesting difference between men and women but uh maybe really quick just a yes or no from all the girls here at the table have you ever gone on a date with a guy without

Anayknowing ahead of time if you wanted to sleep with him yeah I honestly have no idea I don't

Brian Atlasknow no I no wait yes could you be word that yeah yeah so have you ever have you ever gone on a date with a guy where you

Brian Atlasweren't quite sure on him yet you wanted to in terms of you haven't yet decided if you want to sleep with him yet yes

Brian Atlasthat's how yeah yeah yeah I guess yeah like you're undecided it's not like you're going on the date and you're like I know I'm going to like this no that's how I was with this guy

Kand ended up absolutely adoring him I don't like it is a little confusing assuming that have you ever gone on a date with a

Danguy who visually and upon immediate interaction you you weren't like I would him I would it's a little bit what I'm getting at but you're

Danasking me if I've ever felt that way if I'd be like in other words is he is he currently in a position to succeed or a position to fail like is he having to now earn your does he have to prove and earn your attraction or are you already

Danattracted to him have you gone on dates that you weird are have you gone on dates with guys who you aren't already attracted to like he has to prove he now has to

Anayprove himself no at all I honestly don't know my brain works really different I feel like when I like somebody I like them that's not the question but this is the difference because because every guy who goes on a

Dandate he's only going on a date with a girl who he is already down to he's already decided he's already decided I want to sleep with her so now I'm going

Danto see like basically it's yours to lose at this point that's how guys date she's gorgeous and she seems pretty cool upfront guys are looking for a reason to

Dansay yes Brian's point is that women are looking for a reason to say no that's that's the dynamic you saying like women are the deciders is that what you're saying no what I'm saying that but do you ever hear a guy say oh my God like

Danthere's these things that give me the ick they're not no usually girls say that yes because guys are looking at the situation going yeah she she does all these she does all these things that really piss me off but she's really

Danbeautiful and she's kind of fun to talk to whereas for whereas it's the opposite for girls he's super sweet he's super nice he's really handsome but and they'll convince themselves not to sleep with a guy yeah actually I've been doing

Anaythat with my friend I'm like you got to Humble the guy sorry you got to Humble him first yeah can't go you can't put him on long I was coming from where I'm like you need to like I want to know that you're worthy of like me giving it

Rachelup to you like prove it as in like a way like I want to make sexually attracted to you and I'm not disagreeing with that but I'm saying like not in a sense where I'm like um very like feminist View on

Rachelit but I I do want a guy to prove that you know he's worthy of being with me and that I'm worthy of being with him and I hope he has the same mindset towards me this also goes to the point that men and women are fundamentally attracted to different things men are

Danattracted to your physical beauty that is the biggest thing that draws Us in for you guys you're like I he seems kind of cute but I wonder if he also makes good money also makes me laugh also

Danseems to be really intelligent also has a lot of ambition also listens to my stories like all is a bad or good thing I'm saying that it's just the way things work women women are selecting on so

Danmany more things than men are upfront men are looking for beauty up front we're auditioning first you're auditioning second like you ever notice how so what so superficial are you going

Brian Atlasto be with someone let talk about we can talk about superficiality when it comes to looks a little bit um so what is superficial about it that men are

Anayattract she's pretty I want to marry her are not she pretty I want to go see want to like see what how her brain works you want to see I'm going around the table everybody has an opportunity

Anayto answer on this and we will come back to the relationship status um do you think men are superficial no not most of them wait can you speak straight into the mic not most of them yeah I wouldn't say most of them

Brian Atlasbut the guys that do think that way are superficial and I haven't really met a lot of guys like that think God that I haven't because then they'd be superficial this is precisely what we were talking about earlier how men not

Brian Atlasable to speak candidly about things related to dating hold on uh Mike Davis let me read this one um do y'all not see how demented and screwed up these women are oh wow okay Mike Davis going in Mike

Brian AtlasDavis is the resident rooster I secured the bag and I'm a genuine a-hole just what these degenerates want but I want no part of STDs I'll hire any one of you hobos that commits to coming overseas passport Bros

Brian Atlasokay all right that's Mike Davis he likes to roast people okay thank you Mike Davis appreciate it um do you think men are superficial generally speaking um to be honest it's again honest it's a

Ktwo-lane road are you you are literally not going to sleep with someone or be with someone that you are not physically attracted to no absolute way that you are going to marry that person you got to be serious like that this is kind of

Klike a very easy question it's not like no no one should be offended by it either like men are superficial yes women are too you're not going to be with a man that you don't find

Katieattractive BAS I would say I don't know I guess the only thing I have to add is I've never thought about like money and status and job until I've like I was also like dating really young but until I was like I want to marry this person

Brian Atlasthat's like when my current boyfriend I was like oh I have to start thinking about these things like right money like do our lifestyles like that's when I thought about all like deeper stuff like how's this going to work I mean so money

Brian Atlasstatus these sort of things can be related to superficiality but I was trying I was more so trying to approach it from from just purely physical things

Brian Atlasum do you think men are superficial yeah I do I think so no I know okay no but I'm still confused I'm confused do you think I'm

Brian Atlasgoing to come back around starting with you do you think women are superficial yeah okay yeah I do oh okay now that I understand the question I'd

Brian Atlassay both I'd say tul l yeah I like her response okay so look orig stem from you saying because he was saying men care about women's physical appearance you're like that's so superficial yeah but okay

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