HEATED DEBATE With College Girls & RAGEQUIT KEEKO! | Dating Talk #104

Date: 2023-09-27

Duration: 4h 52m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMandy (DT104)>

EEmily (DT104)>

SSummer (DT104)>

HHannah (DT104)>

KKatie (DT104)>

GGrace/Juice (DT104)>

PPriya (DT104)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Mandy(guest)

SPEAKER_03Priya(guest)

SPEAKER_04Summer(guest)

SPEAKER_05Mira(guest)

SPEAKER_06Grace (Juice)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Audio Clips(audience)

SPEAKER_09Hannah(guest)

SPEAKER_10Jill(guest)

SPEAKER_11Kiko(guest)

SPEAKER_12Emily(guest)

SPEAKER_13Mandy(guest)

SPEAKER_14Katie(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian opens the show explaining 16 flakes occurred across 72 hours. Lists flakers by name: Bianca, Cara, Tiffany, Isabella DeLuca, Claudia, Marina, Chloe, Josie, Samantha, Sarah, Cassidy, Briona, Brianna, Roxy, Taylor, Wendy, Christina. Credits Madison and Nick for doing a street walk to find 7 guests in 1 hour.

“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast... we had 16 people flake”

IntroGuests introduce themselves in order: Kiko (23, criminology student), Mandy (21, UCSB classics/art history), Emily (19, UCSB senior econ/comms), Jill (18, UCSB dance), Mira (18, UCSB biopsych), Summer (18, UCSB pre-stats/data science), Hannah (20, UCSB brain sciences), Katie (18, UCSB history), Grace/Juice (36, server, Costa Rica), Priya (22, ASU online, equestrian).

“without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves”

RelationshipKiko: in a relationship, 9 months. Longest past relationship 2 years.

“um I'm in a relationship and my longest relationship was like two years”

RelationshipMandy (SPEAKER_02): super single, 3-4 years. One relationship over 1 year (high school). Has never even talked to anyone since. No social media — made her first Snapchat account while waiting in the studio.

“um I'm super single I had I've been in one relationship it was over a year long”

RelationshipSummer describes open arrangement with True (in flight school in AZ, her first boyfriend, she is his first girlfriend). She set terms: both can see other people while in college. She is visiting him at Thanksgiving.

“I'm going to college and then the guy that I'm talking to is living in Arizona going to flight school”

Key MomentEmily reveals she has never had social media and made her first Snapchat while waiting outside the studio. She describes avoiding all dating because of how guys in the current culture act.

“oh yeah I had no social media right before um actually while I was waiting to come up to this studio I made a Snapchat”

RelationshipGrace/Juice: single 2 years, two relationships total (one 2 years). No current situationship.

“well I'm single right now I've had like two relationships and like several situationships”

Key MomentEmily (SPEAKER_12) confronted by Brian: "the guys that are hot know they're hot and that's the bad part." She describes approaching a guy during move-in weekend who was overconfident. Brian challenges whether she is shooting out of her league.

“the guys that are hot know they're hot and that's the bad part”

Key MomentMandy reveals a guy from SBCC (community college) fully impersonated a UCSB student — wore UCSB merch, met her at a campus event, registered her at UCSB events — for weeks before admitting he didn't attend.

“there are guys from the community college that pretend to go to UCSB”

Key MomentJill reveals she is a virgin waiting until marriage. Confirmed by Brian; she says she also believes in premarital cuddling but not sex.

“I'm single and I've never been in a relationship before... yeah I would say for sure [waiting until marriage]”

ControversyGrace/Juice reveals that a wealthy older friend (nearly 60) funded first-class trips to New York, Hawaii, Las Vegas (~9 trips), paid her rent twice, and gave a $14,000 check — without any sexual or romantic contact whatsoever. Brian does live math totaling the value.

“he gave me one time a check... fourteen thousand dollars”

Key MomentMandy (SPEAKER_02) reveals she was offered $5,000 by a Tinder hookup to sleep with him again. She declined, citing safety concerns (power dynamic shift when a man pays). He immediately blocked her. She later encountered him awkwardly at her workplace.

“he offered to pay me um to sleep with him... he was like five grand”

ControversyEmily makes the core argument: if all women raised their standards, men would be forced to change their behavior. Kiko counterargues: there will always be some women participating in hookup culture, so collective action won't work — instead find men who don't want hookup culture.

“if all girls raise their standards a little bit it will force the guys to have to change the way they act”

Key MomentRole-play segment: Brian pretends to be a woman; Summer plays a man hitting on him at a bar. Summer's approach involves asking about horses (equestrian major), which Brian plays along with.

“hey can I buy you a drink oh sure... what school do you go to... equestrian equestrian that's hello”

Key MomentJill plays a woman at Trader Joe's during role-play. Her responses are painfully awkward — she has never flirted. "Does Trader Joe's even have one?" Brian tries to coach her ("ask me what my major is") but she fails to follow through.

“like literally I've never done this I've never done this no I've never flirted with anybody”

ControversyKiko's rhetorical win moment: "You guys said women need to close their legs because they're sleeping with everyone. But then you say men can't get laid. Which one is it?" — the contradiction silences Brian briefly.

“women are sleeping with everybody don't know how to close their legs or men can't find anybody to sleep with”

ControversyKiko confronts red pill influencer consumption: cites Sneako being shocked when 12yo boys at a baseball game said "kill all women." Argues red pill content is radicalizing young men who lost social development years during COVID.

“these random kids run up to him in a baseball game and they're literally like 12 year old little boys and they're like yeah women all women we hate women like kill women kill all women”

QuoteEmily: "I think it's delusional to pretend like missandry is so prevalent and also even if it was super prevalent that it's equivalent to misogyny." Argues female man-haters are almost never physically dangerous whereas misogynistic men are.

“I also think it's delusional to pretend like missandry is so prevalent”

ControversyBrian argues patriarchy theory is a conspiracy theory that breeds contempt for men. Kiko and Emily argue mainstream feminism is first-wave equality, not radical. Brian challenges: "Has any feminist organization ever lobbied to equalize the draft?" Brian cites feminist terrorism (Andy Warhol shooting).

“if you start teaching women that they are oppressed and the person to blame is this other gender men”

Key MomentGrace/Juice says Andrew Tate content is better understood when watched in full. Mandy (SPEAKER_02) aggressively disagrees — says his videos asking about body counts are degrading. Brian offers to play Tate video. Discussion of whether viewing full context changes perception.

“if you really like go in and look at the videos of them speaking it will change your perception completely of them”

Key MomentBrian plays Fresh & Fit clip of Tate talking about emotional connection mattering more than sexual technique. Most guests (including Emily) endorse the clip's message. Kiko: "right message, wrong sponsor." Emily agrees Tate's diagnoses are often right but lifestyle prescriptions are wrong.

“sex sex this position that position don't you feel like you get to a point in your life with something more than that”

QuoteEmily on agreeing with Tate's emotional connection clip: "right message, wrong sponsor" — encapsulates her view of Andrew Tate throughout the episode.

“it's like right message wrong sponsor again like yeah”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Backstory of Flakes

Brian explains that 16 people flaked in 72 hours before the show; 7 guests were recruited from the Santa Barbara streets 1 hour before. Guests introduce themselves: Kiko (co-host, 23, criminology), Mandy (21, classics/art history), Emily (19, econ/comms senior), Jill (18, dance), Mira (18, biopsych), Summer (18, pre-stats), Hannah (20, brain sciences), Katie (18, history), Grace/Juice (36, server, Costa Rica), Priya (22, ASU, equestrian).

Relationship Status Round

Each guest shares relationship status. Kiko: in relationship 9 months. Mandy: single 3-4 years, bisexual. Emily: super single, one year relationship 3+ years ago. Jill: single, never had relationship, summer fling only. Summer: open arrangement with True (AZ). Summer talks about D1 football player in Colorado she ghosted. Hannah: long-distance boyfriend at Cal Poly. Katie: single her whole life (18). Grace: single 2 years. Priya: new relationship (~1 month).

UCSB & College Hookup Culture

Discussion of UCSB's reputation as a party/hookup school. Guests debate whether women should close their legs / raise their standards. Emily argues that when some women accept low-effort hookup culture it forces others into a market with lower standards. Kiko pushes back: women with high standards should just seek men who don't want hookup culture rather than trying to change the pool. Girls discuss being approached at frats, pushy guys, and encounter with a man who faked being a UCSB student.

Sugar Daddies & Transactional Relationships

Brian asks about sugar daddy offers, fly-outs, and men offering money. Mandy: got "will fund your life" DMs but declined immediately. Summer: was offered $5,000 by a Tinder hookup to sleep with him again; declined. Grace: reveals a wealthy older friend (~60yo) funded first-class travel (New York, Hawaii, Las Vegas, 8-9 trips total), paid rent twice, gave a $14,000 check — all without any sexual contact.

Dating Apps & Body Count Discussion

Brian analyzes Bumble dynamic (women send "hey" then men carry conversation). Discussion of whether women controlling access to sex means they control relationships. Debate: are women with high body counts less desirable even for one-night stands? Brian argues men prefer lower body count even for casual sex. Mandy disagrees. Kiko: body count is relative to the man's. Long exchange about whether high-body-count women still provide relationship value.

Men's Access to Sex vs Women's

Can a mid-level man just go out and get laid? Kiko argues yes if he targets women comparable to him. Brian is skeptical. Role-play exercise: Brian pretends to be a woman; Summer plays the man hitting on her (horse topic). Jill plays a very awkward/unresponsive woman. Debate over whether men and women have comparable access to casual sex; Kiko argues men do accumulate bodies by targeting easy women rather than through skill.

Red Pill Content & Its Effects on Men

Discussion of Andrew Tate, Fresh & Fit, Sneako and their influence on young men. Kiko argues red pill content creates isolated, objectifying mindsets (cites Sneako at baseball game with 12yo boys saying "kill all women"). Priya agrees Tate's diagnoses are often correct but prescriptions are harmful. Emily defends some red pill content as raising awareness of male loneliness. Brian plays Andrew Tate "lonely men" video clip.

Feminism & Patriarchy Debate

Extended debate: is feminism about equality or women's advocacy? Is patriarchy theory accurate? Brian argues teaching women they are oppressed breeds contempt for men. Kiko and Emily argue mainstream feminism is first-wave (equality) not radical. Discussion of feminist studies requirements at UCSB, media portrayals of men, HR departments, circumcision as male oppression (Brian's example). Emily: missandry is much less dangerous than misogyny statistically. Brian cites Andy Warhol being shot.

Andrew Tate Video Reactions

Brian plays two Andrew Tate video clips: (1) Tate on male loneliness — touches on men who never get DMs or attention; all guests agree male loneliness is real. (2) Tate/Fresh & Fit on body count forehead branding — would 99% of problems be solved if women wore body counts on foreheads? Mixed responses. (3) Andrew Tate on sex being about emotional connection, not technique — almost all guests agree with this clip. Brian wraps show.

Transcript

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Jilloh shoot you'll have to teach me sometime okay

Kikoyour major dance yeah he threw you a layup say mine oh my gosh I I do too wait do you have like a focus and dance what style

Kikoare you flexible at this point as a man I'd be like okay she's freaking weird she doesn't know how to communicate maybe English is in

Priyaher first language onto the next yeah I'm not gonna lie Brian that's how it is

Kikohow it is the majority of women are not like that when you approach them maybe it's the girls you're going after because Rihanna's major cannot be communicated

Brian Atlasif you if you like step to a girl at a bar or club or whatever like the burden of conversation the burden of initiative is on the person who's initiating the conversation so you can't just like go up and be like hey how's it going and

Brian Atlasexpect the person who you're approaching to carry the conversation it's gonna be like 90 10. yeah Brian but they

Priyalike me the whole entire time if someone is like that they clearly don't want to talk to you yeah and like guess the burden of starting the conversation and helping keep the conversation flow going

Priyaguess probably falls on the guys 90 of the time at least but not if a girl's like oh

Kiko[Laughter]

Summerthat's nothing that's like a I would say like you're probably weird overall yeah because even when Mira was Rising you up you were the same thing and she was keeping it going really well so like that's all at that point it's on here it was like scene because I was like if I

Brian Atlaswas a dude I would not pursue this person exactly yeah I would be out too but like that's that that is something sometimes a scenario where you can overcome

Kikodidn't go how she expected he's an or whatever she was you know she's not gonna sit there and cry that wasn't a good representation of the majority of women yeah you're probably going to be going up to it at a bar or

Brian Atlassome sort of public outing yeah you're gonna and if that is then that's crazy if you're the initiator as a guy like for probably the the extent of the entire conversation you are going to

Priyahave the burden of performance the burden of initiative the burden of carrying the conversation is going to be on you yes but don't answer my back and it's likely not going to respond and only one more answer or not even more just like yeah exactly and like if that's

Kikohappening though like you should be able to recognize that after the first two sentences that's when you wrap it up and you're like okay you know nice meeting you whatever exactly but you might here's the thing though as a guy you might encounter

Brian Atlasthree five ten of those kind of interactions

Kikoyou have to take a look at yourself at that point and be like you are giving off some type of energy then like you're either one shooting out of your league okay two you yeah either smell bad have bad breath don't put yourself together

Brian Atlaslike there's a reason why that's happening five times in a row uh one off time maybe I would say for like most women that's actually like if they're if they have and it's different now because with

Brian Atlasdating apps and but like if you have experience going out to these social environments and you've been hit on already five times in the night the sixth guy that steps to you like you're not gonna give him that kind of

Kikoenergy you are gonna be on the defensive a little bit you are gonna be a little uh closed off a little bit he is going to have to break through that's why I said it might happen every once in a while but majority of women aren't getting approached six times in a night

Kikoso yeah you might you might hit that one girl who's at her threshold and she doesn't want it to happen that's why I said it could happen on a one-off but five times in a row you're you're in a it's you you're the problem then if it's

Summerhappening five times yeah I think I like would only respond in that way if I ever felt like uncomfortable that's it if it was any other person even if like I don't know it's just common courtesy to

Summerhave a conversation the girl you represented had like some sort of social distance yeah but like the girl you represented would not be at a bar to be honest that's the exact kind of

Brian Atlaswoman that you would encounter at a bar you are going to the wrong bars yeah

Kikoanymore so yeah when I was younger comments yeah that's what no no no it's not even that you have one group of men that you pull your own well I can say too chronically online I can say this

Brian Atlaslike I started dating before there were dating apps before so really even social media like if you wanted to meet somebody you had to like go out and do approaches and you're telling me that was happening to you five times in a row

Brian Atlasno it wasn't but like well actually you know what definitely there would be times where it's like you'd go up to a girl and it's not like it's really not as easy as you think it is and like you

Summermight go like 5 10 in a row where it's just like sure well we're not saying it's easy like but we're not saying it's that hard what you just portrayed because yeah they might talk to you back but they still won't be interested in you but they're not gonna go um

Kikoyou'd be surprised and it's yeah that's it what it comes down to and you're not a good like you're just not good at that that's not your thing there's other avenues to meet people meet someone that you already know meet someone through them into a friend meet someone that you

Brian Atlasdon't have to do that first yeah okay Beyond just the initial interaction that that's sort of in person I mean I can take it even beyond that look at dating apps the guy even in the context of

Brian Atlasdating apps the guy's going to have to carry the burden of the conversation the guy's going to have to message first so I mean we can we can have a discussion of oh Brian that wasn't a really realistic portrayal of how most women

Brian Atlasare going to react to being approached I mean as a guy if you do enough approaches like you are gonna encounter these kind of like super

Priyadisinterested cold you know rejection to part of life like that's yeah I'm not saying that most women are going to be like I'm not saying that women are gonna be attracted to your interested but they're

Brian Atlasnot going to respond in the exact way that you did sure perhaps it's leaning a little bit more towards like a bit cold shoulder a little bit but I mean I would also just sure I would add like okay you look at

Brian Atlasdating apps I mean this idea that oh well it's pretty equalized on the dating apps look at Bumble bumble's a dating app where the woman has to message first but as a guy who's on Bumble for years

Brian Atlasand I can tell you 90 of first messages were was hey from the girl yeah now and then it immediately it's a very token level of initiative that women have to

Brian Atlastake they basically send hay and then they immediately shift the conversational burden onto you if I is the guy if I never took the steps to be like carry the conversation a bit cool do you

Brian Atlaswant to meet up you want to grab a drink this weekend like when it comes to moving when it comes to moving the interaction forward whether that's asking for the number asking for the date and then once on the date okay

Kikomoving things forward to going for the first kiss Etc like that burden of initiative is almost exclusively always going to fall on the man so you have a problem with Courtney the whole courting aspect that are it's not Society has

Grace (Juice)always had for ever and ever and ever it's not that's gonna ask you the same thing if you're like resentful that women get approached so much and like men that don't when it's been like that it's forever since forever and it's like that's how our society kind of sets it

Kikoup but that's the reason why men proposed to us like that's kind of how everything is set up to be and yes like men scream about this all the time but like I don't think they would want a society where it was the other

Brian Atlasway yeah men would love if women were just trying to you know what I mean they'd be like when they don't want women with high body counts you say that but you don't really

Brian Atlasmean it because it was like my DMs are open like one of your guys's Concepts conflict each other like you can just DM me hi Brian hi I I'm I'm DTF what's up maybe don't be that just be like what's

Katieup you know you don't even have to be that aggressive just you know whatever well I mean if the rules are flipped in a term of romantic and sexual life then they're flipped through all life like if we're talking like the business like the

Mandyoh well okay well they wouldn't want everything that comes with uh there being a flip in the power like they they want that goes off the whole diet like the dominant Dynamic protector like you

Brian Atlasknow that throws off everything you guys Trad wife hope and dream of so I don't think you're saying what you guys actually well look I mean we're getting a bit into hypothetical territory what if all these things flipped and women

Kikowere the initiators and women were like pursuing men on Mass for sex like that's never gonna happen that's not a thing I mean I've seen I would say the numbers there's more men

Kikothan women but they are out there and those are the ones you have to find okay I've seen my friend text a dude that they're not they're not dating hey what are you doing it's like 2 A.M the girl would say did I try to

Kikotrying to come over like that happens it it it it happens it happens especially now during this whole like you guys say hook up culture empowerment of girls randomly hooking up with it so yeah I don't understand which one it is it's

Kikowomen are sleeping with everybody don't know how to close their legs or men can't find anybody to sleep with and they are all involuntary celibate because it's so hard to get a woman like I I don't know

Kikothose are two very conflicting statements word that means I won

Brian AtlasI honestly I was just checked out I wasn't even it was just had no rebuttal I have a rebuttal there are

Kikothere are others there's many rebuttals tons of rebuttals are there rebuttals that aren't hypothetical are they valid well what what's your primary argument that you guys are complaining about things that

Brian Atlasexists but not to the extent that you guys think they do and you guys are asking for things to change but you wouldn't really like it if there was I agree okay so I guess the whole kind of what I'm trying to get at

Brian Atlasthough is is you're saying well Brian you're complaining and I guess what I'm just trying to point out is I think both men are and excuse me both men and women are very dissatisfied with the current dating landscape

Brian Atlasum and I think there's certain there's differences women are upset about it for certain reasons men are upset about it for certain reasons what I think what I think is happening though is that

Brian Atlasmen there are men that are just totally zeroed out of the dating marketplace now you could say well women aren't desirous of like it's not something women want is casual sex but like when it comes to

Brian Atlasloneliness I mean we can make an argument that like men are the ones who are encountering like genuine loneliness to the point that they don't even get a drop of attention from women they can't

Brian Atlaseven get the dates they can't get a text back they can't get anything whereas a woman she could be overweight unattractive and could get laid we had a girl on the show

Brian Atlasgranted she she's a self-confessed sex addict but she was I'm not trying to be mean to her unremarkable woman right she was overweight and she was saying yeah I was

Brian Atlasuh I was like six dudes a day those are her but her her male looks equivalent like you put her male body

Kikooverweight not not attractive that guy is struggling to even get a text back the I think what we also see here is there's a woman too who are you know

Kikoinvoluntary celibate who struggle as well no no yes there is a woman cannot be involuntarily celibate yes she is nope yeah because he has standards just because she has standards that's not involuntarily yes that is because you

Kikowouldn't sleep with like you know the homeless man on the corner that's voluntarily celibate I mean to the extent of you there okay because we have to go in Warren's definition of what we make involuntary whatever that's not the point well

Brian Atlasif she wants a relationship would the guy sleep with the Homeless girl on the street

Kikoso that's why it makes it a little bit different on what we consider involuntary but my overall point though is well okay okay but we have to remove homeless people let me finish we're homeless people the reason why

Kikowe have we see this though more for we see women who break through this barrier than men because it's mostly men who have kinks right so a lot of those I'm

Kikonot joking a lot of these a lot of these men not to discredit her I'm sure she's a beautiful woman who still has men who want her for her but a lot of these men Mike Davis is 100 women have it on easy

TTS Readermode because you simply set the settings on that mode I look at most women like a corpse walking entirely irrelevant I'm

TTS Readermarried the only broads I can handle are those who don't speak the same language thank you Mike Davis for your uh is he

Mandysure he's not gay that sounds like a him problem wait Mike Davis she is saying that you are a gay man confirm and deny are you if he all I have to say is if you hate women that much that you can't

TTS Readereven stand to hear them talk that might be a issue or might be like wait okay Kiko go ahead with your oh wow okay Brandon males donated 99

TTS Readerfrbrive being single for almost a year now and the only notifications I get on my phone are iOS updates Brandon Mills he's been on the show we

Brian Atlaswe have were you there Priya the day that Brandon yeah Brandon's been on the show and um he's like a normal no it's not it's not because of that it's not because of that it is there's not a

Kikocorrelation to keep consuming it but that if anything what's happening on our hookup culture this red pill blue pill yeah this is really the tindering men and how they think they should react and treat and speak to women is not

Kikohelping them get any any further in a positive way they're declining because men like Brandon are watching men like Mike Davis who just commented saying how he can't he doesn't even listen to him

Kikoand he just looks at us as objects they are internalizing all of that and and it's we're seeing it on their dating life just how we saw I don't know if you guys saw the video or know who sneako is and these random kids run up to him in a baseball game and they're literally like

Brian Atlas12 year old little boys and they're like yeah women all women we hate women like kill women kill all women like that's and sneaker hold on sneako disavows it he did says no we love women and he looks truly shocked and he looked

Kikodisgusted because he finally realized oh the stuff I'm saying online is actually having an effect on the youth and how they are thinking things are true especially because during covid these kids during covid who lost

Kikodetrimental years in Social Development who are stuck in home and just reading and watching all of this crap now have this whole image of how the world is and it's false and it's made up by these

Brian Atlashe's not some like uh Andrew Tate well we can get into some Andrew Tate stuff but with the sneako thing really quick

Brian Atlaslike 30 18 year old boys are like the biggest trolls ever like yeah they're Edge Lords they're gonna say something ridiculous thank God I didn't have social media when I

Kikowas 13 because I would have been saying dumb obviously the social climate but I don't remember when I was 13 little the boys in my class going around saying woman we hate all women kill a woman that was never happening that's

Brian Atlasa very contagious mindset to start but but you're taking one interaction with this kid coming up to sneako being like it was three years maybe okay it's three that's not representative of the

Kikomillions of of boys that are out there yes but it's a I'm I'm it's you can't just spread it though the effect it's having on people you said to give us a specific example I

Brian Atlasjust gave you one that's not that's not evidence because but in the evidence you were saying that well these red pill guys they're they're teaching all this stuff sneako in the videos disavows and said but I don't think that yes we love women

Kikowell that's not what he's saying when he's up while they're on fresh and fit the things that's coming out what is he saying I can't I don't really watch the content but I'll see I'll see it every once in a while okay some pretty insane

Kikothings Urka is a professional troll okay these 13 year old always do not understand that they can't conceptualize that yeah

Kikolike I think that content is for 18 years and older but yeah a lot of them aren't it's it's yes 18 plus is consuming it but we can't okay the other ones and even

Brian Atlas13 year old boys out there what was the original thing what was the original conversational threat I want to return to that we I have a question do you think Andrew Tate and like all of them

Kikoare teaching like bad things about women do you think so yeah Nick can you pull up a tape video yeah I mean some of the things is good like when he tells men to get in the gym and you know who are sad to focus on

Kikothemselves and things like that I think it's very helpful he literally teaches men the way that they to make money is to basically be a pimp to pimp out women for their own benefits that's not okay that's not good but that's an important

Mandypart of who he is as a person and if that is who he is as a person and that is your role model that is clearly going to have a negative effect on on young men who are on the internet and they are

Mandylonely like you said and so they're looking for this sense of comfort where do they go oh they see this guy who is hooking up with all of these women and he's telling them well this is what you gotta do like this is exactly what's

MandyGonna Get You woman it is not gonna get you woman acting like that acting like a big old misogynist Is Not Gonna Get You women you know what maybe it'll get you some maybe you'll get lucky and there will be

Grace (Juice)some woman who doesn't care get you a pearl I don't get yourself a pearl I don't think he does that I think actually he like tells women to raise their standards so men cannot start acting more like men and not like Sims

Brian Atlasthough he doesn't really direct his conversation okay we could probably have a very long-winded conversation about Tate and all the things he said and done Etc teach the Donald Trump of red pills beer

Kikohe saw a place he saw a way to make money he saw a industry of lonely men and saw a way to market off of them and that's exactly what he's doing just like how Trump's all he could do that to the Republicans exact same thing Tate is a

Brian Atlasresponse Tate is a response to the it's a pendulum swing swinging the other way responds to what you have you have like ins you're talking about misogyny you have this insane misinjury in society

Brian Atlaswhere there's hatred yeah I know you're you're smiling and smirking there's an insane hatred and contempt of men in society I I don't okay men men no longer I mean

Brian Atlasit's you you often talk about portrayals in the media for example how often is it the case that men are portrayed as like the dummy in all these like mainstream social medias you look at any commercial it's the dumb goofy husband and

Brian Atlasthen the yfos making all the decisions and blah blah there's these really negative portrayals in men look at any sitcom in the past 20 years you go back to friends you go back to Seinfeld there

Brian Atlasare no good representations of strong masculine like good masculine men so but okay and then when it comes to the the misinjury you basically have feminism which is seeped into pretty

Brian Atlasmuch every sort of system in this country you if look at universities for example right every single university has a woman studies and uh gender studies a feminist studies program

Brian Atlasstudies UCSB has a women's studies program I think my studies okay maybe they changed it used to be women's or feminist studies okay there's a feminist studies in every

Brian Atlassingle you University in this country I think we can all argue that the upper Edge excuse me the higher education system in this country it is a system with billions of dollars of endowment

Brian Atlasand funding from the government from from donors right every single uh every single University college has this

Kikobasically an indoctrination Factory of hating men no I could see the arguments and things like that I've seen that but when it comes to men I don't have any

Brian Atlasclasses what do you mean feminine feminism women's studies gender studies is basically like it's basically a press a presser class oppressed it says women are feminists we're not all taking

Kikofeminist studies though the people who are taking those classes probably already have those predisposed I think it's a requirement at UCS no it is not you have to take like one gender studies

Kikoor whatever course yeah it's not you're not recorded at all take a single gender studies course you have a select list of classes that you can choose from yeah none of them it's offered to gender studies and there's not many that are

Brian Atlasoffered either I'm sure for a specific major it is required but feminist studies is the only major that's required yeah and sociology is like a sociology course okay but we're sitting okay fine it's not a requirement at UCSB

Brian Atlasto take a feminist studies class in any case if there's nothing very liberal school it does nothing to refute my point that in every single University in college in this country there is a gender studies a feminist studies Etc

Brian Atlasprogram yeah what's wrong with that right which is basic and and but not only that like the whole okay most universities probably lean a bit more liberal there's a feminist indoctrination related to universities

Brian Atlasuh let's see media institutions news institutions government institutions are steeped in this feminist thought not really because most of our things are written by men like that's literally we have to HR departments are almost

Kikoentirely staffed by women those are the people that are going to be hiring our education system majority of the books we are reading majority of the content we are consuming is written by men but we have a very short list we literally

Brian Atlaswhat does that if it's about if it's about some sort of person by men then men are the ones who are deciding what we're learning so how is it woman what does it matter if we're talking about

Brian Atlasmath which is math is Undisputed you cannot there's no opinions on that math math is fact physics is fact does does the reality of what math is or what physics is or what chemistry is changed

Kikobecause a man wrote The Textbook what I'm saying at all I'm saying you were saying that our our education system is in doctrinating us to hate men but I'm saying the things that we learn in the

Brian Atlasuniversity is mostly written by men so go to school you go to university men are the oppressor women are oppressed there's a patriarchy

Kikoit was a requirement only once throughout my whole like four years of high school we had one little section where it was like we read books that weren't written by white men like that's it's a very known thing that majority of our education system is written by white

Mandymen so I don't understand how it would be indoctrining us to hate men when we are learning what they off of what they wrote in their discoveries just to tack on to that I also think it's delusional to pretend like missandry is so

Mandyprevalent and also even if it was super prevalent that it's equivalent to misogyny and most of those women are lesbians and stuff anyways there's a very like on that spectrum of like feminists there's a very far they're

Summerlike they're on every like problem there's always a very far spectrum that you're kind of making scene like generalize yeah some girls think like that but that's on every controversial topic there's always those people that are very mainstream

Brian Atlasno no no no no the main this is mainstream narrative there's the patriarchy men are oppressors women are oppressed this is like mainstream

Brian Atlasfeminism this is not like radical feminism that is what they teach them anymore most women aren't third wave feminists that's the thing we're trying to tell you though if you're if you're a liberal woman you're probably gonna

Katieconsider yourself a feminist yes but feminism is is a range to most women feminism isn't hating men yeah what is feminism explain to me what feminism

Kikoequality between genders yeah but it's not yeah you're going off of radical feminism that's like the blue-haired freaking freaking like Destiny fans maybe but

Kikothat's not the majority of women do not even live a woman do you think feminism is equality

Summeroriginally but now it's been like construed into this different thing but that's by people that believe that because if you're like saying like oh women deserve more rights or more power then you're going back until the argument that like men had the power so

Grace (Juice)women actually we have a lot of rights that men don't have yeah in a lot of things which I just want like in anything like if you go to a court you're gonna have more rights than a man yeah like for what like if okay if

Brian Atlasyou're a divorce the kid mostly goes with the moment there is a bias in the family court system and also I mean if we're talking about disproportion if we're talking about you know you often hear if okay if we're talking about

Brian Atlasdisproportional sentencing men are more likely

TTS Readerum they want versus what they actually respond to is a whole different story listen to my day never ask the fish how to fish you ask the fishermen as an alpha to get women you have to treat

Grace (Juice)them like the garbage they are I love what my boyfriend yeah

Grace (Juice)and what happens is that I understand about the mainstream media that you're talking about that's exactly what they're trying to do they're trying to put Andrew Tate and Trump in a terrible position if you really like go in and

Grace (Juice)look at the videos of them speaking it will change your perception completely of them I'm not saying you've seen like a lot of his videos because I see a lot of them and I'm like wow like I wish a lot of his videos this

Mandything why would I need to continue watching this content where he's like clearly grifting just to get views and clicks and it's just it's a lot of it is

Mandyum this asking women about their body count it's making women feel less than it is it is degrading he's not talking about that yes he is here we'll pull up the video see Andrew Tate when he goes

Brian Atlasand does these interviews with other men but do not watch those I've seen them we can react to an entertain video later let's just come back really quick and then I'm gonna I need to read a couple

Brian Atlaschats so let's talk feminism really quick uh so feminism is about equality yes wait family feminism's equality is that what you're

Katiesaying who is feminism about equality between men and women to me and what I've learned and what a lot of people around me that I think have learned is it's about equality it's about equality between women and men

Kikobecause for thousands of years patriarchy has been a very prominent thing and I don't think anyone's going to disagree with that yeah that's the on radicalized idea of feminism that majority of women hold whether or not majority of women are radical feminists

Brian Atlaslike they're not it's a radical proposition to suggest that the history of the relationship between men and women is one of oppressor and one of oppressed if you start teaching women that they've been

Brian Atlasone yeah yeah okay it's gone I really yeah all right let me hold on I'm gonna ban that guy really quick um uh

Brian Atlasit's probably it's probably fine okay Liam come on man don't don't uh do stuff like that um we just TOS um okay I really interrupted what I was

Priyatrying to say it's really harmful for women to constantly hear and this argument goes for a lot of different social movements especially today it's really harmful to constantly tell women

Priyathat they've been oppressed and men have traditionally been the oppressors on a like on a large scale because it's just generally not true you have bad people in pretty much every like every aspect

Priyaof life but it's not true on a large scale that men are constantly or have in history constantly oppressed women how is it not true when feminism exists because we didn't have the right to vote we had literally no rights yeah

Kikoif there was a patriarchy today yes I would say things were a lot more even today but you're telling me there's no patriarchy but we've had what 50 49 different presidents our system

Priyawe are yes so don't say that we haven't we didn't even get there I'm not I'm not saying that on I'm not saying that there haven't been Sarah you said it's not necessarily true

Priyadidn't no I'm not I'm saying that in like a in a like a like a comparable men and women relationship men like in relationships were not oppressing women

Priyaon a global sentence okay yes like legally that's why feminism first wave feminism I completely agree with anything after that I do not agree with I'm glad that we have equal legal rights as like as to men but I do not think

Priyathat men and women are um like completely tradable in pretty much all aspects of life which is no but that's what went like that's what feminism today portrays is that I've been seeing this whole time is that not

Kikomany people actually the amount of people who you think believe that is just the people online that you see the ones who have the influence online of that trade I'm trying to tell you the general population like if you believe

Kikothis as women yeah feminists most women say they were feminists because it sounds like you're against women to say you're not yeah but we're not saying we're a radical Third Way feminist we're mostly talking about the work that our ancestors and others did to get us where

Summerwe are today like yeah you can acknowledge that the fact that like we couldn't vote we couldn't go to school we couldn't do all that stuff like that has been like established and that has been built up so women's have like they've gotten those rights but you can't say that like oh there's no

Summeroppressor it hasn't always been like that because it has and feminism isn't this thing now like oh like we want more rights like we hate all men for like what they did like that's like that's not but isn't it a problem that that is what you see in the mainstream media I'm

Mandynot saying that that's the majority of women that believe that but isn't that a problem don't you think that the reason that mainstream media is specifically choosing the most radical versions of this is to turn people against feminism

Summerin general yeah well you're not seeing that for only feminism you're seeing it for basically every other social movement absolutely the extremes are always what's portrayed on the internet and that's never how it's yeah

Kikothe general population like us like picked off the street we all agree yeah so and why what but why why do you think even I'm saying like you say that that's so that's a good point you bring up like

Kikobut how how does it hurt anybody because like it's not like women are going out there killing men because of this oppression nothing's happening to men I think I think it hurts your interpersonal I think it hurts your interpersonal relationships but actually there's kind of a long history of

Brian Atlasfeminist terrorism Andy Warhol got killed by a feminist who oh it's funny that you're sorry for the man getting murdered but okay

MandyI want to hear to hear that it was because he only because he was a man that she was murdering him in the case of let's say even at UC Santa Barbara we have the I don't want to even bring up his name but

Mandyyou know the incident he'll switch it off real quick if you do yeah you know the incident that I'm thinking of yes and yes all I have to say is when men are

Mandymisogynistic it is a lot more dangerous to women than when women like our man haters they're like they're man-hating is just like internal and they don't really interact with them or they just

Mandydon't care but when a when a man violently hates women because he feels like he can't get laid and oh they they owe me this they become violent and take

Brian Atlasit out on women and they will they will it's a very very simple thing very small proportion of men who are struggling with dating but it's like but the point is to resort to violence the point is

Kikothough woman being a man-hater or radical feminist does not usually incite any violence whereas when it goes on the other spectrum of men that's what it becomes an actual

Brian Atlasactual issue of public yeah but but I think here's a here's a difference General difference between men and women so if like let's say two men have a conflict it's more likely that that's going to result in some sort of physical

Brian Atlasviolence whereas when two women have uh conflict it's typically not going to get to the level of physical violence it's going to be emotional violence though you're going to see reputation destruction you're going to see like

Brian Atlasbackstabbing you're gonna see so we've criminalized uh We've criminalized men's primary method of conflict resolution which in the past if two men have a conflict they'd duel or fight or

Brian Atlassomething physically and then boom we thought cool we're done whereas with women we have not criminalized the emotional uh these ladies

TTS Readerfirst to this day women are not required for Selective Service men are or else we lose the right to vote second women historically refuse the right to vote

Kikobecause it came with conditions they did not want feminist is for Selective Service for anybody it doesn't matter that is it does matter

Kikofeminists aren't saying like yeah men need to do the Selective Service and just not woman no we they have a problem with that too like you guys that's not what they don't but okay here's the here's the differences right when we're

Brian Atlassaying that feminism is about equality feminine feminism is clearly not about equality feminism in its most generous if I can give it its most generous definition is a woman's advocacy

Brian Atlasmovement now there's nothing wrong with women's advocacy but let's not sit here and lie that feminists will fight for equality if said equality comes to the detriment of women for example

Brian Atlasequalizing the draft it would be equality to equalize the draft but feminists are never going to fight for that equality because they're not

Brian Atlasfighting for you only want preferential you want uh you want benefits

Summermisconstrued the original meaning of like feminist like I don't think I would consider myself a feminist because I don't know too much like obviously like I'm not like you're degrading yeah I'm just saying like I don't know much about the movement itself like I'm just saying

Summerlike feminist definitely has gotten misconstrued especially the radicalness of like everything that's been happening but I think that like generally someone a woman wouldn't like be like oh yeah she would want equal

Jillrights but she wouldn't be like oh like kill all men like that's not like or that is literally a hashtag though I know that is that's a hashtag it's on social media but also can't you say the same thing I don't think you guys were

Jilltalking about earlier how the boys um went up and saying women like that's portraying just a small radical spectrum of the right wing yeah but like feminists are like you were mentioning

Jillhow you think it's not fair to group all feminists and like being crazy but it's on both ends like good point yeah you like you select radicals

TTS Readermessage for you Kiko people are still talking about feminism in 2023 I thought that joke expired actually I'm all about it let's get another women's March going

TTS Readermatter of fact let's do it every Saturday so these plus size fatties can drop a pounds and free the nipple Mike Davis is a good point you guys brought up an outlier to make an

Mandyargument against the red pill Community we can easily do that but feminism too my my point was just specifically to um the media showing that I mean I'm not

Mandytalking like I wasn't even mentioning conservatives in that like type of thing like that wasn't what I was talking about what I was talking about was specifically to the instance of like

Mandythis whole man or these um feminists are all super radical like I'm saying specifically for that is that not selection bias like they are

Mandyspecifically choosing things that would turn the average man against feminism like that is the point that I was making I'm aware that they can do that for both

Mandysides like obviously but I just think that you take the most radical feminist and yes she said kill all men she's not going out and stabbing men you take the

Kikomost radical uh woman hater he is he is quite literal I don't think that's fair to him yeah so I don't think kill all men is the right thing to say no at all but I don't

Kikothink it's fair or like to say it's right but the difference is what she's kind of trying to say is if you do a hashtag kill all man men versus like those kids saying or hashtag kill all woman what is actually possible it would

Kikonever be possible for women to go out and kill all men we would never have the means or strength to do that what is possible is for men to go out and kill a woman so that's why it is

Kikorespect one at a time go ahead you can go first my first statement was I don't think it's right okay I'm not saying that they are should be allowed to say something like that like

Kikoit's just a joking matter but the reason why I was trying to clarify what she was saying is the reason why there is though a difference between saying kill all men versus kill a woman is because one is

Kikotheoretically possible while the other is it because if men want to team up if men want to team up and take out the woman species they could they have the means to do so they're the ones in power yeah I'm not seeing what happens this is

Kikosuch a hypothetical one yeah they have the strength definitely I don't know if you cannot deny that men if they wanted to I'm not saying what would happen but if they wanted to they could cause severe harm on the woman species where vice versa is not possible unless we

Brian Atlasjust start poisoning our water systems it is happening it is happening though we're talking about Plastics no I'm just saying like it's not it just I don't know it's a it's a what's it called

Kikoum it's there's a terminology and philosophy for this why something can feel icky and it could be exactly reversed and not feel icky anymore it's because okay okay so just trying to bring things back here really quick so

Brian Atlaswhen it comes to the whole feminism it's about equality feminism is not about equality it's a woman's advocacy movement they will secure equality if said equality comes at the benefit of women but they will not pursue equality

Brian Atlasin Realms or scenarios where that equality does not benefit women in some way so it's not really a true equality movement in the same way that like it would be for egalitarianism because also

Brian Atlaslike you you know I don't want to linger on this for too much longer because we need to move on to a couple things but if you look at for example you often hear arguments about the wage Gap men get paid more money but like when when

Brian Atlaswomen are like trying to secure these certain jobs or these certain Fields you hear with stem I mean that's a whole other conversation but women are fight

Brian Atlasit's not about across-the-board equality women are fighting for the cushy safe air-conditioned off office jobs the high paying jobs you don't see like women in the streets yeah we want for example

Brian Atlaslike 90 there's all kinds of gaps there's a uh workplace death Gap there's a workplace injury Gap 93 of workplace deaths are men

Priyathat seems pretty bad why don't we equalize that happens in terms of the type of Labor that men and women go into in terms of physical

Priyalabor it's much higher for men to enter into those types of careers compared to women and women are not fighting to enter those like biologically men and women are

Brian Atlasdifferent yeah but feminism can only exist when it comes to like workplace equality you can only really have feminism when when there's air-conditioned offices

Brian Atlaslet me just finish this when there's a gnarly storm and the electricity goes out and somebody has to go out there in the Storm at 2 A.M and it's snowing and it's below freezing it's

Kikogonna be a guy that's gonna go no one is knowing that there is biological differences between men and women do you that's not how our system is built to stand that would mean that if okay we have a bunch of women who are going into doing those careers are we

Kikogonna have a bunch of men now who want to become more teachers nurses those more of those positions cleaners that the reason why our society is set up this way because that's how it breaks underscore love underscore you

TTS Readerunderscore but underscore and underscore wrong donated 99. he's got a point with this one seeing history as oppressive to women is the opposite of reality history has pedestaled women at the cost of men

TTS Readergiving them access to its resources without earning it men will always be CEOs presidents and leaders because we

Brian Atlasmust to earn Your Love yo uh oh that's sweet so well this is this is actually it's a good point let me let me just let me address this really quick

Brian Atlasum so he makes a good point so I would argue that when it comes to the mating dance when it comes to courtship men are not particularly preoccupied with the resources that women bring to a

Brian Atlasrelationship so if women like you hear songs uh Destiny we talked about this last stream Destiny's Child bills bills bills TLC No Scrubs uh what's the cardi B uh up I don't like broke men

Brian Atlasdon't get no if this is the attitude that women have is it any surprise that there is a greater mating pressure on men to achieve financially to achieve when it comes to their

Brian Atlascareers so that extra pressure on men to uh to elevate themselves in the workplace is going to trans like if there's a mating pressure like if you as

Brian Atlasa guy can't get a date unless you're successful then doesn't it make sense that men are going to or that men are more likely to occupy these higher positions of power because it's a prerequisite for attracting women

Jillwhereas the opposite is not the case I 100 agree I have never seen a man turn down a woman because she is broke exactly exactly turn off I would turn down a man for being broke 100 you guys

Kikothis problem maybe you guys cared more about what the profession of your wife was doing all I hear about Men's Day on time all year yeah we don't care how much my woman makes I don't care how much her I don't care this I don't care that well maybe if you guys cared a little bit more it'd be more of an even playing field

Grace (Juice)but that's not the role we're providers they're the providers I don't do anything to be a housewife you know I I went to college and I regret it like that's my point of view it doesn't mean that it's the correct thing I just want

Grace (Juice)to make that clear it's just my point of view I wish I didn't went to college I don't care about any of that I don't care about being the most smart I don't care about any of that but that's the point though is that he's saying that he's the same men who want these Chad

Kikowives that they want to stay home or complaining that they have to get these jobs but like if you want your wife to stay home and be a Chad wife you'd have to have that career anyways there's no complaining that they have to have these jobs he just said yes

Priyayeah he's not saying that it's not fair he's just saying that that's the reality of how the Dynamics between men and women work and that's what women value is so he's not saying it's unfair what's the point of bringing it up if he has no

Priyaproblem with it that that's a fact okay no but no no but the like the the like basis behind it is because of the like the patriarchy like that's that's the argument behind it is that the patriarchy is oppressing women that

Kikomeans it's a patriarchy because if you're saying that we benefit off of that that means that you guys don't see it as a real job to stay home with kids all day and have to be here no that's not that's not what anyone's saying at all it's not like women just to get to stay home and sit on their ass because

Brian Atlasmen no not at all it's an incredibly hardness it's a really hard job actually and I think feminism or I don't know like it's actually it's actually the feminist movement that said yeah no women like should work it's

Kikothe reason why that was happening was because women were allowed to work so they were getting married and then they were getting harmed by their husband and had no out because they weren't allowed to work so that's the real reason

Kikoget so sorry if a woman is getting harmed of course like leave that man you have the right to work that's why we fought for the right to work because before they couldn't believe that man because it had nothing to do with nowhere to go they had nowhere to to but

Grace (Juice)now we have the internet we have so many things that we can do more easily thanks to men unfortunately it's thanks to men that women can have only fans and make so much money like and make our jobs

Summeryeah and make our jobs way easier like feminism for me is just but girl's not working that was like history obviously evolved now and it's like it's your choice like yeah if you're a girl and

Summeryou want to have a job go have a job but in no way or shape or form like is it shameful to be a housewife or like I think that's important and I think that's also really needed and oh yeah feminist

Brian Atlass yeah look just feminism

Brian Atlaslook last thing on this look I just think that if we're teaching this patriarchy Theory men or oppressors men men are oppressors women are oppressed I if you teach someone that if you teach a

Brian Atlaswhole gender that you are oppressed and the person to blame is this other gender men you're not really teaching women to really look towards men and be like

Brian Atlasyou're basically teaching women to have contempt and hatred towards men maybe it doesn't extend all the way to hatred but in some degree there's a narrative in your head like oh well historically your

Brian Atlasclass as men your group as classes as men oppressed us and we are oppressed how dare you if you okay if you're the oppressed

Kikoclass are you supposed to feel any positive feelings towards the supposed oppressor class no so that's like where I I like do all black people hate white people because we're taught that they oppressed us no

Grace (Juice)are there some that take it that way yes and that's with anything that's the victim mentality that gets you nowhere it just keeps you in that Loop that it takes you literally nowhere you know instead of grabbing let's say women

Grace (Juice)instead of being like okay men are against me let's see how I can with my like intelligence how can I get this to work for me who thinks that way though in real life like because of the

Kikointernet in real life I don't know a single woman who's like I know some it's in every single University in this country patriarchy theory is like mainstream feminism liberal ass school and I've

Kikonever been taught that I think I think you said you didn't you said you didn't take like a feminine I have taken feminists they don't teach patriarchy they from like the what was written but they didn't teach me I should hate men because men are oppressing no but it's and this is what's going on no I wasn't

Brian Atlastalking about no obviously they're not going to say you should hate men they're not saying that but by extension by proxy if you start basically preaching what is in essence a

Brian Atlasconspiracy theory that there's a uh this cabal of man this conspiracy theory the patriarchy Theory by the way theories are just that theories there's it doesn't mean it's an actual thing you are again teaching women to view men as

Brian Atlasthe oppressor class and to view themselves and other women as oppressed again you cannot think positive thing if you believe truly that you are oppressed or that you are part of the oppressed

Grace (Juice)class you cannot feel you cannot feel positive positive things towards the oppressor class that's why he was saying like oh women want just the best of the best like you

Kikoknow was I saying that I don't know like women just want like all the the goods and no no bads you know like and it's hard to what I feel like women deal with a lot more in relationships than men do we've been around we do a lot with a lot of yeah yeah no we do

Grace (Juice)deal with a lot of I I do understand that and like same with the like I don't know feminism is very weird for me just because like I don't see like women supporting I don't know in women's basketball like they have all

Grace (Juice)this women's basketball and nobody watches it women should be there supporting women and I don't see that at all and then they want the same wage pay as uh like being I don't agree with that at all well to be honest like yes it's

Summergood to acknowledge last thing and I do have to move on it's good to acknowledge it happen like it's history we can acknowledge it but we don't need to still be taught that like we are oppressed now yes we could be oppressed in history but like I don't think that

Summerlike nowadays or anything like that and in fact like that women's NBA like I'm a girl I would rather watch the NBA hey then the woman's NBA like I think like everybody that's why they make there's just some things that you'll never be

Summerable to escape and like that's like I I that's just okay like it's just

Katiemy only point is that most people who are might attach that name to them have the same beliefs that you do go ahead I think we're confusing history in the present and we're getting them intertwined way too closely with how we

TTS Readerspeak on certain subjects Alvin Sam donated 19. you are exemplifying why women are better seen and not heard your boyfriend should sincerely reconsider his

Kikorelationship with you because you are a reflection of him you complain about the patriarchy but women expect men to lead let that sink I I want my man to lead me what the hell are you talking about I

Kikosaid it's wrong to say we never had a patriarchy in our world I'm not saying today that it still exists and we're still oppressed the only thing I had an issue with is when she said that it's not true that there used to be a

Kikopatriarchy in I think there is a page she was in there and she said she said something before that's how we got on this whole tangent that's my only point I I'm not saying that we are super pressed today and there's no equality in our system between men and women that is

Kikonot my point my point is you guys think that everyone is radical feminist which is just not true like majority of feminists aren't radical their first wave and are just happy that we had people to fight for our right to vote and our right to

Kikowork and like that that's what most people think of when they think of feminism they don't think about kill all men and well I think patriarchy theory is kind of a radical Theory

Brian Atlasagain today or that you're you're hitting men and women against each other you're saying that men oppressed women when in reality it was powerful people the oppressed poor people essentially

Kikopowerful people both men and women because men women because no because no because we can't be you can't be powerful if you can't even own land so how was a woman an adult women could own

Brian Atlasland before women could have yes women could own land and guess what it's it's different like people try to make this comparison one woman of power before woman had the right to vote name one woman who was in power

Brian Atlasyou do realize the family unit right like men get married to women and then they have children they have sons they have daughters okay so what's what's your point what's that oh my God

MandyI don't I don't get your point I'm so serious related to women does not make them not dislike women or have uh internal like things and Prejudice prejudices about them

Mandyyeah I agree with that they're not gonna hate like their daughter they're not gonna hate their mother but that doesn't mean that they don't hate other women maybe they don't like hot take men are

Emilymore oppressed than women I know didn't you just say we're not supposed to be oppressed yeah it doesn't make sense that is in fact a hot take

Brian Atlashere let me here let me give you one okay give us an example give me one I'll give you one thing and I will genuinely I'll try to move on from this you know but okay I'll give you one so let's say

Katieupon birth the first seven days of life who is more oppressed men or women in the United States either it's pretty equal today in the

Brian Atlasfirst seven days of birth yeah first seven days of birth because you know your your male or female upon birth so I mean as a child I mean you're Bor you're just exist anybody any anybody who's

Brian Atlasmore pressed you mean like you mean like men with circumcision or something like that yes upon birth it's so funny they laugh they laugh they think it's funny but like

Kikookay yes even most men laugh at this wow I mean I'm so sorry I honestly if anything which I might subscribe I've only met men who wish they were circumcised as a child I've never met a

Brian Atlasman it should be it's just circumcised okay so what are you guys let's not downplay it it's it's child genital mutilation they don't have a say so would you have are you circumcised I

Kikoam yes would you have rather been uncircumcised I would have liked to have had the choice yes so you would have liked to have the choice that you say that but you would have chose to cut off your hood as an adult

Brian Atlasit's hard to say because I don't know I've never experienced the difference because it occurred when I was a obviously all I've met is poor is if that's you I'm not gonna discount what you actually think and the men you've met but I've only ever met men who were

Kikoeither circumcised and wish they were uncircumcised I wish they were circumcised or I met men that are circumcised and they're like yeah I would have been pissed if my mom didn't circumstance perhaps it's because there's a social stigma in this kind like in this country in other countries

Brian Atlaswhere there is circumcision where it's actually reinforced by women because you're you have you are used to men being circumcised if all men just weren't circumcised there would be no comparison between cut and uncut of

Grace (Juice)course but we're well past that so that's like a okay but it's a barbaric it's a barbarian you know and he's right with his choice like so sorry yeah okay it's it's a barbaric practice that has

Brian Atlasabsolute it's not medically indicated for the vast majority of people there are some people who you know if the foreskin's too tight or whatever they like fine but it's a barbaric practice it has absolutely nothing to do with

Brian Atlascleanliness and I think it is actually probably inflicting some sort of emotional wound on young baby boys you're like you're mutilating their genitals upon birth

Brian Atlasthey cry when they are uh the babies cry when they I don't think they're administered any painkillers or anything it's like this thing that chops it off like I heard it doesn't really hurt them

Kikobut it's a baby like how do we know it doesn't it's just a barbaric practice I agree if women I don't know okay my way I definitely get what you're saying I used to be the same way I even honestly used to say like stop

Kikocircumcision used to be one of those people but after talking to more men I came to my own self-conclusion that reversing that today could cause more harm than good because today I feel like there is more men because of how Society

Kikois there is more men who would rather be circumcised and it'll be a lot harder for them to do that at an adult age yes than it would be done as a baby so that's why I honestly used to be on that Fort but I feel like it's just one of those things that we are so far in that

Brian AtlasI don't know if it's going to do more harm or good to try to reverse I'm pretty sure my understanding of the the medical literature on it there are some situations where it could be medically indicated where you know if the foreskin's too tight or whatever it you

Brian Atlascan't I don't know whatever it's painful then perhaps what in that scenario would it would it have been better to have it done as a child yes but there needs to be informed consent like I I don't think

Kikowe should be mutilating the genitals of children I'm saying I totally get your standpoint and that's why I used to have the same one but mentally standing scene I think today since it is more common than not to be circumcised if we stop

Kikocircumcising men today and they have to wait until they're an adult age to get it done which is a very painful procedure as an adult we were going to have men who have psychological issues about their penis being uncircumcised because we're trying to give them body

Kikoautonomy but they'll help they won't get it done because it's a much harder procedure as an adult than a baby so that's why I'm like I get what you're saying I get the fight for it but I think it needs to have a lot of research

Kikodone on how it could mentally affect men I don't think because some men might need to get a circumcision later on in life I think they need to it's because they want to I'm not talking about cases I'm talking about the cases of like men

KikoI do know men today who were uncircumcised who really talk about a lot that they really wish they were circumcised so that's my only point but I get that but once or that

Brian Atlasyou have to ask why because maybe it's because there's like their peers also were and so there's an expectation romantically there's yes but that's still I mean that's still a valid reason so like there's that it's not gonna

Brian Atlasright but if all men just weren't circumcised then to date we're already two okay we're already there but so we should continue with this barbaric practice I think not I think I should get rid of it in any case let's move on we have a

Brian Atlascouple chats here and uh we'll try to wrap up here pretty soon we have Liam La Brian who cares Myron a g that's not related that's from 20 minutes ago Liam La it's going to take a while to get

Brian Atlasthrough all of these so uh let me pull up let's see puffy Vegas he has a 300 body count I think we did that one puffy Vegas hey thank you for the 50.

Brian Atlasum we have Rick bungle member oh okay all right Liam Malay donated 100 you're Brian you're it's fine you can show it thank you I'm a good thank you man appreciate it you're right I am a good

Brian Atlasall right um memo to men get yourself a passport become a passport bro do not marry American 3fos raised in this culture under any circumstances you will thank me later

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