3 Virgins vs. 100+ Body Count Communist E-Girl?! OF Girl CLAIMS To Be Super Trad? | Dating Talk #134
Date: 2024-02-07
Duration: 6h 52m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Daphne(guest)
SPEAKER_04Jake(guest)
SPEAKER_05Venus Vixen(guest)
SPEAKER_06Sarah Stock(guest)
SPEAKER_08Jake(guest)
SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_11Angelique(guest)
SPEAKER_12Alyssa(guest)
SPEAKER_13Katie(guest)
SPEAKER_14Sarah Ramirez(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:11
IntroVenus Vixen introduces herself as a professional porn actress and OnlyFans creator.
“my name is Venus vixon I'm 20 I live in Miami and I do professional porn and only fans”
00:08:44
Key MomentSarah Ramirez reveals she has been single her whole life and has only been on one first date.
“I'm single I've been single since birth single since birth yeah I'm still waiting on the right the right guys”
00:42:12
TopicVenus Vixen identifies as socialist/communist, setting up major capitalism vs communism debate.
“I would say I'm probably the most left leaning here like I'm more like Socialist Communist”
00:45:55
Key MomentJake challenges Venus on communist countries, noting communism was responsible for over 100 million deaths in the 20th century.
“communism was responsible for the death of north of a 100 million people in the 20th century”
00:46:12
Key MomentVenus says she lives in a capitalist country so she might as well benefit from it, when challenged on selling content while believing in communism.
“I live in a capitalist country why would I not do what I can to have the best quality of life I could”
00:55:17
IntroAngelique announces she is president of Life Dress, a pro-life nonprofit that hand-paints apparel.
“I am a the president of a nonprofit organization called life dress where I hand paint pro-life apparel”
02:39:39
ControversyDaphne admits to pandering to the audience with her traditional/conservative answers.
“I think that's fair I mean I think that my opinion would definitely cater to an audience like this”
02:59:29
Key MomentBody count round reveal: Venus announces ~120 body count (majority from work scenes).
“it's eight four I can give like roundabout sure I 120 120 okay four four eight zero zero zero”
03:59:00
ControversyBrian pulls up Daphne's Instagram reels showing her making out with multiple women and other explicit content, confronting her on claiming to be 'extremely traditional'.
“that's you making out with women that's you making out with multiple women yes”
04:01:00
Key MomentDaphne acknowledges her content is not traditional but claims she's growing.
“I wouldn't make an excuse for it obviously that is not traditional at all”
04:05:20
Key MomentBrian offers Daphne a deal: delete OnlyFans and scrub Twitter to prove traditionalism.
“I will allow you to claim your traditional title if on the show right now you take your phone and you delete your only fans”
04:45:56
ControversyBrian tells Daphne she is not a traditional woman, she is a modern woman, after extended contradiction between her stated values and her content.
“you're a modern woman look I'm not that's fine don't claim the traditional just say you're a modern woman”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Introductions and relationship status
Guests introduce themselves. Brian goes around the table on relationship status, longest relationships, dating history.
00:15:00
Capitalism vs. Communism/Socialism debate
Venus Vixen identifies as socialist/communist. Jake and Brian debate her on failed communist states, Cuba, North vs South Korea. Ends with Venus acknowledging communism hasn't successfully been implemented.
00:45:00
Abortion debate: pro-life vs. pro-choice
Panel split ~6 pro-life vs 2 pro-choice. Debate on when life begins (conception per biology argument), late-term abortion, legal paternal surrender, rape/incest exceptions. Angelique leads pro-life argument.
01:08:20
Physical attractiveness ratings (1-10 scale)
Guests rate themselves on 1-10 scale. Debate on whether attractiveness is objective or subjective. Discussion of women's prime attractiveness window.
01:25:00
Women's prime / age and attractiveness
Discussion on whether women peak at 18-25. Daphne agrees; Venus thinks she'll be hotter at 30; Katie and Sarah Stock disagree that 30 is past prime.
01:57:00
Body count and mate value
Extended discussion on whether body count affects a woman's value as a partner. Goes around the table. Body count round: Venus ~120 (mostly work), Jake 4, Daphne undisclosed, Sarah R 0, Sarah S 0, Angelique 0, Brian declines.
03:08:20
OnlyFans / porn industry ethics
Debate on whether porn harms relationships, trafficking in the industry, STD testing gaps (herpes/HPV not required). Brian notes porn conversations are repetitive on the show.
03:50:00
Illegal immigration and US border policy
Panel goes around on whether they'd date an illegal immigrant. Discussion of US border, other countries enforcing immigration laws, losing the country.
03:53:20
Traditional values vs. OnlyFans content (Daphne)
Brian confronts Daphne on her Instagram/Twitter content vs. her claim of being 'extremely traditional.' Reviews her public reels showing makeout sessions and suggestive content. Challenges her to delete OnlyFans to prove traditionalism.
04:00:00
2024 election: Trump vs. Biden
Panel votes: Daphne=Trump, Jake=Trump (implied), Sarah Stock=Trump, Alyssa=neither, Katie=won't say (implied Biden), Angelique=neither (pro-life litmus), Venus=implied Biden, Sarah R=skipped.
04:13:20
Dating wild stories / experiences
Brian reads pre-show notes; guests share unusual dating/relationship stories.
04:48:20
Men being pro-choice as a red flag
Sarah Stock argues pro-choice men are a red flag; discussion on what a pro-choice man's stance signals about his values toward women.
04:58:20
Friendship before dating
Discussion on whether couples should be friends before becoming romantic partners.
05:30:00
Engagement rings / marriage proposals
Discussion on whether proposal rings are necessary, diamond industry, kneeling. Guests largely want a proposal and ring.
05:53:20
Female submission / bowing debate
Discussion on whether women would bow to a man as an act of submission. Panel largely declines; Venus notes she'll do more explicit acts for work but not bow to a partner.
06:05:00
Feminism debate
Brian argues feminism is about securing benefits for women, not equality. Discussion on women in military service and selective service registration.
Transcript
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06:37:22
Angeliquea border dispute between a country and it can't be resolved through diplomacy how do how is that resolved by you ask me like my like uh
06:37:33
Angeliquecommanding officer position like we deploy the National Guard I don't know what you want like the military okay which women can be in geez I I I feel like I need to better
06:37:46
Jakeunderstand Andrew's argument here Jake do do you do you um think that men are stronger than women biologically yes yes okay so then if men collectively tomorrow said that we want to take away women's rights you think that they would
06:37:58
Jakebe able to do that I think there's more places Than Physical strength that can be you don't think that wanted to overpower women they could they could overpower them physically Nott so I think that so you think that women would
06:38:09
Jakeintellectually sort of like defeat men so you're saying like you're you're implying like an actual like physical like going into houses I'm talking about Force have yeah before we had ducted sort of heating and air conditioning in
06:38:22
Jakeapartments with you know like all of this Amazing Plumbing that we've got it was power that dictated how how politics would go and it still is to an extent today but if tomorrow all of these
06:38:33
Angeliqueamazing luxuries that we have Stripped Away take away everything they've built to be like oh you don't get this is a thought experiment this is you have to you have to engage with it in a in a in a way that's like good faith at the end
06:38:46
Sarah Ramirezof the day kind of late I hate to be rude but I'm just 6 hours Madison can take your seat if you want to leave I don't want to be rude though like I don't want to be that person yeah you
06:38:56
Katiecan leave if I bow would it make it better yeah I mean
06:39:10
Jakeare you looking at me you want me to just keep going yeah we're having the conversation okay fair enough yeah I was just saying I think that you have to be good faith with the conversation when you when you engage with it because I'm asking you do you think that men
06:39:22
Brian AtlasMonopoly I thought it was just her and her that are leaving yeah sorry it's just it's kind of late EGS this was really fun wait before you leave hold on hold on hold on sit down
06:39:33
Brian Atlasfor just a sec okay let's get back to LA wait few questions few questions for you you can leave if you want thank you though thank you for coming thank you okay all right hold
06:39:44
Brian Atlasup uh let's see here hold on Madison do you want to take one of the empty seats um where is my notes Here
06:39:53
Brian Atlasuh do you think you can be racist against white people
06:40:01
Venus Vixenno do you think you can be sexist against men yeah I guess but you can't be racist against white
06:40:11
Venus Vixenpeople no why so I feel like right now in terms of like gender we're in a really tricky spot when it comes to like rights and how things are being handled politically and I feel like I'm not
06:40:23
Venus Vixenfully equipped to like talk about that more in detail but in terms of race in Western culture and and the
06:40:33
DaphneUnited States white people have never been oppressed and racism is backed by oppression so you think that because there's history behind other racism do
06:40:43
Venus Vixenyou realize history can start at any point it hasn't though history can start at any point okay but tomorrow white people are not going to be wake up and be oppressed
06:40:54
Sarah Stocklike that's what is racism though can you like who are you saying is oppressed like black people are oppressed minority like how are they oppressed what rights do they not have
06:41:06
Venus Vixenor opportunities or do black people not have systemic racism exists like I don't want to sit here and Define that like you can do that in your free time I just ask what is racism like just the simple
06:41:18
Venus Vixendefinition like what do you think an oppressed racial group no racism like what like how can you be racist towards somebody when like there's a million
06:41:28
Venus Vixenways to do that like that's a really vague thing to say like I don't no
06:41:37
Brian Atlaslike what do you think about here here's another statement agree or disagree there's no such thing as male
06:41:45
Brian Atlasprivilege I disagree men are and have been more pressed than women I
06:41:54
Brian Atlasdisagree cool good talk good talk
06:42:03
Venus Vixendo you think that women have more privilege than men do no really would you date a cop if he's hot and has money so you
06:42:15
Daphnesupport you don't think that all cops are bad like acab is that what they all cops are bad
06:42:31
SPEAKER_10no I
06:42:36
Brian Atlasshe's really missing out it's a lively yeah oh my God bro I don't know um anyways you I'm if you want you can wait
06:42:49
Brian Atlasfive minutes like I said I'm going to wrap up I promise I'll wrap up in five minutes I promise guys or if you want to win F here okay 11:35 I got okay okay okay wait okay so wait we oh the the
06:43:00
Brian Atlaswhole Andrew Wilson thing um okay if you look at for example like what happened in uh Afghan was it Afghanistan we were in Afghanistan women
06:43:12
Brian Atlaswere able to go to school and whatnot well the Taliban the man decide the men decided despite women's desire to be more equal to their male counterparts in
06:43:24
Brian AtlasAfghanistan despite their desires and their want for equal rights the men by force I'm not saying it's right just a thought experiment
06:43:34
Brian Atlashere the men by force said nah that's why we have the r to bear arms okay who well I'm curious who owns more firearms in this country men or
06:43:47
Jakewomen do you honestly think that women would stand a chance if if it happened tomorrow you you you can exit the feminist mindset for one second and you can be honest with the question and just say that women would be totally It's
06:43:58
Brian Atlasfunny wait before you answer she says that well we shouldn't have equalized the because men and women are different because men are stronger but you can't seem to concede on this you can't seem to like use that apply that same logic
06:44:11
Brian Atlasto this exact same scenario which I think is interesting you you acknowledge that men are better suited to be soldiers and Fighters and Killers mhm but for some interesting reason when it
06:44:23
Angeliquecomes to this conversation about say there was a civil war between they could overpower us I the only thing I've responded so far is we have the right to bear arms you see but you see The Logical inconsistency
06:44:36
Brian Atlasyou've acknowledged that men and women are different you say women shouldn't be subject to military conscription because men are better soldiers because they're physically stronger for XYZ reason so if we're giving you a scenario where there's a literally a military civil war
06:44:48
Jakebetween men and women yes and my answer was what you said that I said the right to bear arms I didn't go into detail I said are they stronger then you said no no it's like intellectual so you alluded to the fact that women could intellectually fight the war right no
06:45:00
Angeliquewell you didn't talk about war at that point you think women would be screwed you said no we've got the right to be you were talking about enforcement and I asked about like police what specific thing are you talking about and you just said oh well if if we wanted to
06:45:12
SPEAKER_07overpower sleepy bear donated $100 how do you pause and think about your answer but when it comes out it's still lacking logic you know the internet is forever right you might want
06:45:24
Jaketo stop trusting those people that think for you I don't know who that is I think I made it very clear I actually said that if we just strip back everything and then men collectively tomorrow decided that we want to take away
06:45:35
Angeliquewomen's rights forcefully and that was the that was the hypothetical that you that you were engag I as before all those things happened I asked like physically like going into people's homes and like starting a war and that's where we stopped so we didn't really I
06:45:48
Angeliquenever really finished my thought take away the RS because now you guys are saying something that I didn't actually say and I'm saying I completely agree I already agreed that men are biologically stronger that's why I didn't agree with the so so why did you bring up the rout
06:45:59
Angeliqueto bear arms then tongue and cheek it's literally the idea that we do have a way to defend ourselves will we have a good chance I don't think so you trying to make a logical with that it's totally hypothetical it's mostly tongue and
06:46:11
Angeliquecheek but it is true we do have the right to bear arms we do have we do have a level of Defense but is it enough to like overpower like suddenly every man turns on us this is the most random Hy Des would be screwed if that if that
06:46:24
Jakehorrible event were to happen women would be at the at the mercy of men so that's why I'm saying feminism is men's fault okay you guys allowed it we men who
06:46:35
Sarah Stockallowed it it not so you don't think you should vote guys this is a hypothetical don't clip early the century that's totally fine cuz the man was voting for the household and also
06:46:47
Sarah Stocksince woman started voting everything started going left that's very true honestly feminism just to destroy the family you want to repeal the 19th is what you're saying no I think it's at at this point it's too late to do that now but if like we could collectively start
06:46:59
Angeliquegradually walking back but there's no way that's just like not able to happen know I wouldn't women I said I would R in or women could vote more logically we too getting rid of the right for women to vote we could
06:47:10
Angeliqueactually I said I would rap women aren very women are a lot more easily manipulated yeah you're not very suul a instead of a bad way I don't understand why we have this like pessimistic view
06:47:21
Sarah Stockof women voting like what well she's saying that after women had the right to vote everything went downhill like why don't we more women are pro choice than pro- life because they're easily but we should we should focus on changing that
06:47:34
Brian Atlasinstead of getting rid of the right I'm not saying we should repeal the 19th yeah but you're saying that if women didn't have the right we shouldn't repeal the 19 let's put women on the front line we're going to put women on
06:47:45
Sarah Stockthe front line also disag with Brian who thinks we should send women to war take just send them in to the meat grinder of War I completely dis equality if you believe men and wom are different why
06:47:57
Angeliquewould you want egalitarian if men suddenly overpowered all of us like I would have so many less concerns than my right to vote and more like why are all the men overpowering us here here's the actual argument the like totally not
06:48:09
Brian Atlastrolling argument for why we need to send women to the front lines via the draft we got to tire out the enemy send the women in first and then the men can take care get them to nag the
06:48:21
Brian Atlasenemy okay all right last chat here we have Andy andyj White I live in Sweden and our draft age is between 16 to 70 and includes both women and men comat is
06:48:33
Brian Atlasreserved for 18 plus but those not fighting has other task like taking care of the kids etc etc why can't us um drafting both women and men
06:48:44
Brian Atlasum I think you should worry I have look I have to look into Sweden but you have other countries which are even more oppressive than for example the United States where they actually have mandatory military service for example
06:48:55
Brian Atlasin Switzerland and uh if you don't there's actually really substantial penalties uh and women don't have actually if you don't do it as a in there's like you get taxed or something
06:49:05
Brian Atlasthere's fees so uh all throughout the Western uh West in all countries there's significant uh most country somebody said oh well in Israel it's men and
06:49:16
Brian Atlaswomen okay well congrats one out of what 200 plus countries in the world there's equal conscription and I would say they can't even beat Hamas I would I was G say has that working out for them I would still argue they're probably still
06:49:28
Brian Atlasprioritizing men to be in those Frontline combat positions so um anyways appreciate it man uh what was the uh trying to remember what the other thing oh yo guys we're having we're this
06:49:40
Brian Atlasis we're having conversations this is this is just thought experiments and um hypotheticals Jake here doesn't want to go to civil war with women we're just
06:49:51
Brian Atlashaving thought experiments on things okay uh I don't know unless no no war exper love women they're the best want to protect them we're just having Devil's advocating
06:50:04
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06:51:12
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06:51:23
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06:51:36
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06:51:48
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